The Halo TV Show Baffles Me
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- I've been watching the Halo TV show out of misguided curiosity and I have come to the conclusion that it isn't quite what it should be. In today's video, I wanted to explore why the TV show is a bit naff in my opinion. Please enjoy.
Obviously, footage/assets are from both the Paramount+ Halo TV show & Halo games.
Also, a bit of a spoiler warning in case you care.
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Video starts at 2:34 for anyone wondering
Remember folks: we missed out on a potential Peter Jackson adaptation and instead we got... Master Cheeks.
and Neill Blomkamp
The Adventures of Johnny Rings
He does not know what the ladies like.
Dude is built though. Before it was, “working out for Goku”, now it’s like, “I won’t let master chief out-swole me, be like master cheeks”
Joe Staten was going to be involved as well.
The best screen adaptation of Halo I've seen yet is definitely "Forward unto Dawn." We only got roughly 15 minutes of Masterchief in the entire movie, and that was at the very end. That 15 min alone is better than the entirety of this dumpster fire of a show.
Also that film is canon so that is a young 15 year old master chief
And it introduced one of the few likeable characters in 343i's Halo. Captain Lasky is awesome but it seems like they're going to kill him off eventually because he's a good character.
Not sure if it counts but Landfall was also astoundingly amazing
@@ObsolneOh it absolutely counts. Those sexy practical effects tho.
Watch Halo Remember. Its a fan filme made in source filmaker by Sodaz showing another side of the Fall of Reach. Better than this garbage.
I can only quote Halo itself to express my feelings to seeing Chiefs face "Nay, it was heresy!"
"The message keeps repeating. Regret, regret, regret."
"Were it so easy..."
The problem isn't even them showing his face as if you read the books you know he does a few times. But the problem is that word right there. "FEW" not, every 10 minutes just because you can including in the middle of combat because you can.
@@ryanstone2676
"Dear Humanity: we regret being hack writers, we regret turning out an awful product, and we most certainly regret Fizhy blew up our raggedy-ass show!"
“Negative Infinity, I don’t like it”
Warthogs doing circles to guitar riffs and Armor on, this should be so easy
Loving Halo is like being in love with someone, then having them break up with you, develop a drug and alcohol problem, lose their job, and end up on the streets. Loving them just hurts at this point.
Damn. What exes do you have lol
Jk ❤
This is a perfect way to put it
Yeah...😭
When you first saw the Master Cheeks, were you blinded by its majesty?
It was certainly a different side to the character
@@FizhyTwo sides you might even say :p
@@Longshanks1690 we saw the dark side of the moon and lived
No
@@buck608And yet the writers were able to evade the games, land the rights to the sacred franchise and desecrate it with their filthy FanFiction!
So far the Halo has been quite a ride... sor far:
=>Master chief spent more time without his armor than with it
=>Spartan aren't brainwashed kid, they're just normal people inhibited by advanced suppositories
=>Covies have humies
=>No sergeant Johnson, so the show doesn't know what the ladies likes.
=>Captain Keyes is dead
=>No Pillar of Autumn
=>The fall of Reach was the fall of Reach city's orbital lift and it lasted 10 minutes
=>The spartan III programm is so late in the timeline it's basically the spartan IV program
=>Kurt got genderbended?
=>Cortana has been stolen.
=>There is an arbiter, but it's not Thel.
=>Where the fuck is Thel Vadamee?
=>The fucking Kwan Ha and the space pirate subplot has almost more run time than anything else. It's not even good.
Who the fuck greenlighted this shit?
A covenant mole i guess🤔
@@user-qp6ew7vf7r Even the covies wouldn't want to be associated with that shit... they would glass it before even entertaining the thought of watching it.
Can I get off this ride. I don't think we are going anywhere that I see.
the halo TV show like many recent adaptations of previous stories seems to be made by people who hate what there "adapting" and chances are hate the people who made it for being better then them and actually creating something that people love
Yup, I also see it as hubris from screenwriters who think they're better than video game writers. I have a good friend who wrote for Halo, and yes, I'm biased, but she is a much better writer than those Hollywood hacks.
And I can be a snob about literature, but the best fantasy lore I've experienced lately is dark souls. Video games really have been come an incredible narrative medium, and different perspectives, like Miyazaki, on these genres give it a freshness and depth that I feel has been missing.
Not seems, they do. It's the worst executive decision I've ever seen. The amount of money these could have made for a fan show, is staggering.
The people in charge should be charged gross monetary negligence in the 1st. degree.
iirc the funny part is a majority of 343 staff did not enjoy the show, which really makes me wonder how something like this can happen and be supported for a 2nd season
That would be funny if true
One person. Kiki Wolfkill
I recall recently a stream 343 did to showcase Content Update 29, where they made a jab at the show for the lack of Chief wearing his helmet.
@@coccopoof9030 Her and the older crew in charge
Season 2 is on Paramount it was green lite before season 1 aired.
Kiki wolfkill one of Bonnie Ross’s stooges is the head honcho for the show, she barely understands what halo is about when quizzed on it and she doesn’t care usually when someone asks about obscure lore bits in interviews and wont answer it. The show reflects her attitude towards the fans that have kept the franchise alive for the past 20 years and Pablo was likely cast because she’s a fan of his in orange is the new black
Ngl, I don’t mind him as chief. Of all the criticisms I’ve heard, this one I don’t sympathize with.
The show is ok, it’s a drama that emphasizes emotion over spectacle.
The games died bro. Of course the show will be different, even negatively.
The military professionalism failures on the part of the Spartans and strategic/tactical failures of all characters in the story ARE valid criticisms though.
World building and story direction aren’t exactly valid. This timeline is intended to be different.
@@stephenroy2943
first off did you even watch the video before deciding to defend it in the comments.
Secondly have you payed attention to how much of a major laughing stock this show is to the wider gaming community? Nobody likes Pablo due to him berating the fans who were critical of the way he won’t keep his helmet on and his portrayal of master chief in general.
It’s not hard to portray master chief literally look at the forward unto dawn web series as a reference point or even recently halo infinite.
I’m not against something trying to be different but halos world building in general is pretty much set in stone for the early half of its overall story and lore. The world building they’re doing for this show is piss poor comparatively and is mostly a waste of time like they can’t even name the city of reach properly.
Various Characters and relationships to them are all over the place and key players to the events of the games being killed off or are mischaracterised entirely is a major issue.
The biggest of them are Cortana and master chief. In the first game it’s stated by Captain Keyes that if the covenant captured Cortana then the UNSC has pretty much lost the war.
If you can’t get a basic understanding about that correct then they shouldn’t have even bothered trying to make a show in the first place.
Creating tension for the sake of it is bad for a story in general unless you’re thrown into the thick of it.
The games aren’t dead but they aren’t booming either and if you payed attention to development of infinite and anything 343 have made you’ll see straight off why they are in the state they’re in.
@@stephenroy2943shut up, bot.
Didn't Kiki get fired last year
@@thirdwordbird3011 no she got promoted and became head of intellectual property expansion and entertainment at Microsoft.
It has its moments where its like okay that kinda feels like Halo but then majority of it is just like why. Such as Master Chief bangin the covenant chick and kwan ha story line its just like why are you doing this and looking confused as to why people hate the show
Yeah when it appears to have focus there’s something gripping to it but it quickly snaps back to a momentum lacking unsatisfying generic sci fi drama and I don’t get why that’s the case when it could clearly do something more interesting
I can't even agree with that due to how much they changed. It's just so jarring to the point that even those moments are completely ruined, no matter how much I try to turn my brain off.
They completely changed Keyes personality, removed Sgt. Johnson from the entire series, changed Miranda's personality, added a HUMAN to the Covenant, made it so the Spartans have EMOTION INHIBITORS, the fact that they SHOW Chief's head whenever they possibly can, and the choreograph/CGI of the battle scenes feel like they are from the late 90's.
Halo" is a show about halo as much as much as the big bang theory is about nerds
The Big bang theory is about a poltergeist named sheldon.
The Big Bang theory is one of the worst tv shows ever made. That is all.
0:36 Halo Reach still looks so good to this day. I’m taken back by the graphics everytime I see it. The increased image and texture resolution of MCC made it age really well.
The only reason why people watch this show is to make fun of it
Fair
The Velma mentality. The head honchos running the show didn’t care about it. The show disrespects the audience and itself, though not as blatantly as it’s Scooby Doo counterpart. We saw it in the Witcher as well, where the showrunners show contempt for the material to the point that even the cast who loved said material can’t hope to save it. (I seriously hope Henry Cavil’s Warhammer 40k project goes well). Unfortunately this mentality isn’t new in Hollywood. Video game adaptations are notorious for this. Not to mention many book adaptations have also failed for this very reason. Lack of direction can be just as bad as direction in bad faith, and Halo shows both. If the source material is something you view as constricting then do NOT make an adaptation of it. The only exception to this rule is M. Night’s Avatar the Last Airbender adaptation where he seemed to like the series….but didn’t understand the first thing about it.
Therefore supporting the show and helping to make more of it
@@adamc117 i pirate it to mske fun of it, why would i spend money on this trash??
I remember in the mid 2000s when a Halo movie was announced with Peter Jackson Producing, Neil Bloamcamp directing. Then it fell through because Microsoft wouldn't let Fox or Sony change the story. Now, here we are with a mangled story and characters who act like completely new characters. It's just "Space Adventure Show". How did we get here?
The movie fell through because Fox and Universal couldn't agree on how to pay for it.
Credits list KiKi Wolfkill as the show runner. Ex 343i management who was bent on dissolving the established Bungie lore and replacing it with the “forerunner saga, reclaimer trilogy”.
Mark my words. When we finally get to a halo, it won’t be the flood that get revealed. It will be the promethians and Didact that get loose.
I hope not. But you are probably right given how things have been going so far
No, it'll probably be those stupid Skimmer enemies from Halo Infinite which serve literally ZERO purpose in that game other than to make it so 343i doesn't have to add the Flood or do anything with the Bungie-era Forerunner's.
You know what baffles me? How many people think this abysmal show is good, compelling, or remotely enjoyable.
I want to believe those comments ive seen on the Facebook add of the series are ad bots
Or npc people @@Spark9819
That's just people who are entertained by anything shiny and new. Jingle some keys around and they'll give it 5 stars
It’s the same with Star Wars, when it comes to tv shows everyone is excusing a lot of sub par content for some reason. Its never nearly as good as it could be. -
@jesterjay420 they’re most definitely ad bots. They check all of the boxes and follow a super repetitive formula. You can check out any bot/commenting service and see that it tracks.
Kwan is a self insert character of Kiki Wolfkill. Its a shame Microsoft continues to let that hack damage the Halo IP.
Kwan is a harbinger of The Flood.
The show has made me join the Covenant.
Profit of Truth was right all along...
"Your destruction is the will of the GODS! And I am their instrument!"
"...come across as unearned." You can say that about the show as a whole.
A lot of the problems in the entertainment industry are because they no longer want to deliver stories and entertainment that we want to watch, but instead, they deliver content they want us to watch. The difference there may be subtle, but it is huge. When we dont like what they make, we are made out as the bad guys and the villains, which provides further proof on the current state of the entertainment industry.
As a side note, when movies/games are made that are for fans enjoyment we see they do quite well in the sales department.
very very true. That is why nothing respects the source material anymore, they just want to make their mediocre shows and market them as an existing, and loved, ip. From Star Wars to the Tolkien estate, they do not care about anything except pumping out their messages, and we are the "bad guys" for not lapping it up
Halo should be a scifi band of brothers. Instead we get a scifi hobbit combined with soap opera (notice i did not say lord of the rings).
What an original opinion. 😂
I'm surprised I keep hearing "I'm shocked it got a season 2" back when it was announced they had greenlit the first 2 seasons.
Shows you how season 1 went
@@Fizhywhat?
@@adamc117 you'd think they'd abort
Except the first season got enough criticism that the smart thing would have been to scrap the show and MAYBE try again in a year or two with writers that love the franchise.
@@John-fk2kythey’ll take whatever contract money they can get. The actors want the screen time to get more roles in the future. The staff want the credits for their portfolios. Not many actually care about the content. It’s just about money. Which sucks for the actual story.
They did little to no worldbuilding in season 1 of this show, I can't call it Halo. They never really explained the Covenant, their religion, their hatred of the human race or their goals. The forerunners got even less set up than that. Only watched the first episode of season 1 before walking away.
The biggest problem with this show is that stuff just happens. Character motivations fall apart after each 'twist' if they ever hold up to begin with.
This can be at a macro scale where the UNSC abandons their biggest military force with no warning when supposedly fighting for survival, to the micro scale where marines get sent into a dark corridor with no lights after just seeing their comrades get slaughtered.
My favorite example is where the arbiter has recovered... A valuable item... And proceeds to travel halfway across reach city to the exact corridor chief is in and then leaves with no reason for being there in the first place.
Yeah, basic things like the writers ignoring that rifles have lights on them.
@@blw4089 even had that not been the case. It's an insane strategy. Takes 5 seconds to consider an alternative where the lights go out AFTER they walk down the corridor, or the second group don't get sent after them when they're in a defendable position.
@@existentialselkath1264 they don't understand military tactics at all!
@@blw4089 or common sense
A bit of a different one from me today, please enjoy.
I Love when you talk about halo!!! great video
Loved the vid❤
You've got bots impersonating you in the comments.
My opinion:
The Hollywood mentality is a virus.
Which why games that push back against it, turn out to be better in the quality department.
I just hope Hollywood leaves Gears of War alone. Dominic has been through enough.
Yeah, I agree
@@Fizhy yeah 👍🏻
@@AncestorEmpireGaming lmao @ Dominic been through enough, you ain’t lying brother 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I agree. Lazy, vain, and too prideful to realize what they are doing. Sucks too, since there are plenty of movies that could have easily been hits, along with TV shows that seemed like obvious slam dunks. South Park summed it up well on their takedown of Star Wars. Not on Kathleen Kennedy (which in itself is hilarious since they went easy on her and she is still pissed about it), but on the fact that Hollywood is extremely lazy and would rather pander to the lowest common denominator even if it obviously hurts them rather than make something of substance. I understand a bit. Just like in the games industry, it is very risky. Millions of dollars pour into these projects with zero guarantee of just breaking even. Yet even so, trying to play it “safe” at the cost of your writing/storytelling is quickly being shown to no longer work. Marvel is learning this the hard way, the really hard way. But whether or not they learn is up for debate. Unfortunately bubble mentality exists, especially in Hollywood.
Just replayed the original this week. Judgement came up as a suggestion and I literally shuddered.
The helmet more of a writing problem. They chose to write lazily instead of using the helmet as a device with the story. It's the same problem with the all the writing - rather than look to the source material they lazily wrote whatever story beats they thought they could pack into show loosely dressed up as Halo. Actually that's the entire problem with the show, it's a completely different show loosely wrapped in a Halo theme.
Here's the thing: The helmet/mask problem has existed for a long time in Hollywood. Think of Stallone's Dredd. Hell, Raimi's Spider-Man spends almost as much time with his mask off as on. The creators (and probably actors) think audiences need to see their faces to identify with the characters. But Karl Urban's Dredd and The Mandalorian put the lie to that. They showed how it could be done effectively.
That said, the Mjolnir suits aren't just helmets. They are big and heavy and there may be practical issues with keeping the actors in them all day, every day and I doubt that the show has a budget that would let them go the CGI Iron Man route.
They are using the armor as a device this season and "fans" are still bitching about it.
@@hoos3014Are they using them as a device, or did they find a convenient way to take them out of the story?
@@misterdarwinYes, they are using it as a device. The season's antagonist literally tells Chief he's "just a man in a suit." Next episode, the suit is gone. Big speech by Keyes: "A warrior doesn't need armor.
Next episodes: Trials, ordeals, we get to see the "real" John.
By the end of the season, he'll have his suit back. It's pretty well-telegraphed.
Band of Brothers set in the Halo universe. Either during the war or the insurrection. That's all they needed to do and if done from the soldier's perspective would have been easy to work with given the format. If Spartans had to be involved they should be handled like the Shermans showing up in Caerentan.
Honestly the best way a halo show could be made following odsts the unsc equivalent to airborne infantry. That’s a perfect idea
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Band of Brothers was one of the most expensive shows ever made 20 years ago. Now, add spaceships, aliens and active power armor.
That’s what I was hoping for honestly. Following a squad of ODDTs through training, have two of them killed by Chief in training, then later be rescued by Chief by the Covenant. Man, they could have done so much. Maybe rescue some kid from the Covenant that later becomes a Spartan 3. Reveal some ONI corruption. Give cryptic clues and mysteries on Forerunner artifacts that may not even have an answer later on.
Fr this or literally just an mission of CE per episode with some chief flashbacks thrown in if you want to do that. Easiest job on the planet
I continue to watch it because I was roped into doing a podcast on it (Cortana's Communiques). I confess I am not the world's biggest Halo fan. I played the first game over 20 years ago, enjoyed it immensely, but never really got around to the sequels. As a well rounded nerd I have picked up bits and pieces of the lore over the years, but at best my familiarity with the universe is passing at best. That doesn't mean I can't tell what makes a good show.
My biggest issue was the introduction of characters that really had nothing to do with the main narrative: Kwan first and formost, Makee next, and Soren lastly. To the best of my knowledge (leaning mostly on my podcast co-hosts), they have nothing to do with the series' lore. We are tuning in for Master Chief and the Spartans, and for the most part their stories have been tangential. I hate to lean on this criticism, but it feels like Kwan was put in there to sell the show to Asian markets. Makee most likely to give a (cheap) human face to the enemny. Soren? No idea. I do love Bokeem Woodbine, and the notion of a fugitive Spartan is interesting, but I have no clue what he has to do with anything. Season 1 ended in a way to let these characters bow out of the show, but no, they had to bring them back - one literally back from the dead.
The second issue is one that plagues many modern tv franchises - it is focusing on telling us an origin story. Where Halo: Combat Evolved just dropped Master Chief (and the player) on Halo with little to no explanation as to what it was and how they got there, we are a season and a half into the show and still waiting. This is even worse than those Marvel shows that wait until the final episode to put the hero in their costume.
Lastly, they are falling into the Chosen One trap. Some series, like Dune, are meant to have messiah figures. Halo isn't one of them. Master Chief was just a good soldier in the right place at the right time; the mysticism is being shoehorned into the series for no good reason. This reminds me of when JJ Abrams rebooted Trek and decided that the universe would bend fate to being the Enterprise crew together. Or when Lucas decided to insert the prophecy of a Chosen One after 22 years, 4 movies, and countless video games, comics, and novels.
I am convinced that they erred in making Halo a tv series. Master Chief is John Wick; no character growth needed. We just want him to kick ass, and that's hard to do week after week on a tv budget. They should have just stuck with the notion of making it a film series rather than a crutch to prop up their streaming channel.
Agreed, by the show writers logic john wick should be performing worse than the halo tv show. You dont have to adhere to lore 100% when adapting but to completely rewrite the core of the story, its no longer a halo stoty but a "what of" story about john halo
@@nobodykayaks1041If I were a showrunner (and am not) I would approach any adaptation by first finding out what the fans love about it and either do my best to conserve those things or at least have a damned good reason for leaving them out. You can change some things - like Raimi's Spider-Man having organic rather than mechanical webshooters - but you can't make the property unrecognizable. And I would do this whether I was already a fan or not. I've seen fans of properties who have a... unique take that doesn't align with other fans (Bryan Singer's Superman Returns and Rob Zombie's Halloween are two good examples of fans who had unpopular takes). I think a perfect illustration of adapting a property is Super Mario Bros. The 1993 film is an atrocity harmed first and foremost by choosing the wrong medium - live action. The 2023 film on the other hand is almost too dedicated to fan service, but it works because it gives the audience exactly what it wanted.
I feel like this script was already written, then someone poked their head into the office and said, "MAKE IT HALO!" and the writer is just sitting there like 😢
13:00 - Yes, in my opinion there were basically two ways to do this:
1. Start the show during the start of the "Fall of Reach" novel. Show Chief being kidnapped as a child and show him growing up to be that invincible Spartan. As an adult you don't see him with his helmet nearly as much anymore, but you know he's under there. With this approach first you get the human, a human who becomes an invincible super soldier. But even as an adult you could show parts of him that still reflect who he was before. And we'd get that and empathise with that because we saw him grow up. So you can combine the human and the super soldier by having the human become the super soldier with hints of the human.
2. Or you could start the show when the war with the Covenant has already begun and Master Chief is already a super soldier badass. In this case what you want to do is first build him up as this invincible, stoic warrior. This symbol of hope and all the skill and innovation of humanity. And then once that image has been firmly established across several episodes or even an entire season, THEN you start showing another part to him. Moments of vulnerability, moments of emotion, moments of humanity. This is basically the approach the games took. But it's very important that you establish him as a super soldier first before you show his more human side.
The show did neither of these things. It quickly flashed in our face "Hey, here's a Spartan" and then constantly just showed him as a human (and a ragemonster) with few exceptions. And it just doesn't work.
You have to either start with the human and turn him into the super soldier (with shades of humanity), or you have to start with the super soldier and then give him more humanity over time. But what you cannot do is quickly pay lipservice to him being a super soldier, and then spend all of your time focusing on the human.
Oh, and I HAVE to comment on the emotion chip.
Master Chief isn't really a fully developed character in the games, certainly not the Bungie games. That's because, as you said too, they wanted you to be able to BE him. But in the books he is. And to the extent that Chief is interesting as a character, WHY is he interesting? He is interesting because he's just a human being but who was kidnapped as a child and put through a bunch of stuff to have him become the soldier humanity needed him to be.
The interesting part here comes from how Chief's life experiences have shaped him into the person he is. How all of that trauma, the social isolation from anyone except other spartans, etc. affected him.
So what does the show do instantly? It introduces an emotion chip which explains why Master Chief is the stoic badass he is. Like... whut mate? You instantly took away the interesting thing about his character here. The question of how his life affected him. You explained it all away by having this emotion chip be a thing.
Actually ackerson was the one thing they did ok he did the same thing in the books minus taking the armor of the Spartans but he really did just know what was happening and then leave without telling anyone
The Master Chief in the books says "capeesh" when he's done shooting the baddies.
Unironically would love to hear the VA say that after a boss fight in an upcoming game. Once would be enough though😂
I mean he probably picked it up from Halsey with her being Italian and all, funny how the world makes sense, right?
If the helmet just stayed on during Sex, everything would have been okish.
Are you serious? Hahaha. I laugh just thinking about, MC hammering away with his helmet on. No, the sex scene was absolutely wrong.
I'm pretty sure the makers of the show didn't play the games
From my perspective the show kinda proves that
Season 1 didn’t. Season 2 did
They could’ve written this show to follow just Halo 2 and 3 and the exposition would be enough to get people by. I mean think about it, halo 2s opening scenes explain that a halo has been destroyed, chief helped, and the arbiter is in trouble for failing to safeguard halo.
Kickstart it with a theatrically released, big budget film based on Halo: Combat Evolved and I think you have something.
I wish it started with the fall of reach tbh
This show could only exist as a symptom of how Halo is a dead IP. It's done, it's over. Halo, it's finished. Finished permanently now.
Tbh , no halo show should have master chief as a main character . Master cheif is a vessel a blank slate for the player to feel badass , hes a very simple character . For a show to work in the long run you need a complex character with multiple arcs , to layer over years . We should follow a normal marine , a navy pilot , odst basically a mire sgt Johnson like character , or even arbiter and have master chief as thie legendary Trump card in the show . It could also be more like a documentary or the human covenant war , shown through different characters sort of like the WWZ novel
I agree with your point about the helmet and the face. They could have easily handled it like they did in The Mandorlorian.
Crazy that if they made it about a not Chief spartan, it mightve worked
I just find it bizarre how the industry watches franchises like Last of Us, Sonic, Mario, Arkane, Witcher (early seasons) and even Twisted Metal, and just ignore how those shows and movies respect the source materials with minimal changes
I prefer 5th person shooters, I wanna watch a guy watch a guy watch a guy watch his buddy watch a guy.
The ultimate gaming experience
@@Fizhy you've got bots impersonating as you in the comments.
TBH this was just heartbreaking. I’ve loved Halo ever since I was old enough to pick up a controller, and when I heard almost a decade ago that there would be a TV show I was so excited.
A couple years later it was officially announced, and that they got Pablo Schreiber to play master chief. I was so stoked. I had been waiting so long and was so amped to this franchise come to life.
And then… it came out. Being a halo fan the past 10 years has been hard enough as it is, and the tv show I had been watching also attentively for was not the Halo I grew up with.
Space pirates and space witches… why did they think Halo needed Space pirates and space witches…
Showing a spoiler warning for a trash tv show no one cares about, watches, or even knows exists is quite hilarious🤣👏🏼bravo sir
Master Chief Collection LAN party any time soon?
I play every night with like 10 sometimes 12 people all good fun
the whole putting a face to it is exactly why everyone hates live action reboots
that is when you stop hiring to fit the character and start hiring to look good
god forbid we get a live action metroid and they cast a face like larson and 80 minutes of the movie is samus running around in the zero suit
we dont need a pretty face
we need a voice and a good actor
I heard it was originally meant be be a Mass Effect show, but they lost the license.
Never heard that myself
That's more of a rumor because of S1E1 being loosely similar to Eden Prime. Probably isn't true though.
Doubt
This adaptation has been in the works for decades now
This is false.
"Fizhy discovers hideous modern Hollywood writing."
An apt description of this video
It’s so sad when something could have been so good… and yet we got something so mediocre. I haven’t been that bored since watching paint dry.
Never saw any of this show aside from the first episode. From what I recall, the action in that episode was decent and accurate to the games, so I gave it props for that. Everything else? …🤐🤐🤐
It’s such a small thing but making Master Cheeks the literal face of the show was such a problem as it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what Halo is all about, who Chief is and why that element is so crucial to his character. He doesn’t need to show his face to show his emotions.
And that writ large seems to be the major problem with this show - an extremely valid, surface level understanding of the source material which paves the way for mom and deeper problems. I don’t know why it seems like the people who get hired for these projects are outsiders who skimmed a wiki summary of the story they’re adapting but it kills series like these every time.
* more, not mom
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wasn't expecting some Halo content but I'm not complaining, good stuff as always
It really struck me just how frequently the show has tight, focused in shots on Master Chiefs dumb mug... Not only do they ditch the iconic helmet, they go out of their way to have long, needless reaction shots. It almost felt like they knew and were doing it on purpose.
But that's the least of the shows problems... it doesn't feel like Halo at all. Really reminds me of the dark age of video game adaptations from the late 90's early 00's. Your Anderson Resident Evil's and Bob Hoskins Super Mario Bro's.
Kwan ha subplot would be so much better if instead of going to the Halo universe's underworld, wich is like the literal last thing anyone cares about about halo, nobody is wondering about pirates in the halo universe, she went to become an marine, despite her hatred of the UNSC
And seeing her dealing with the fact that the UNSC is an military dictatorship that opressed her people, but now there is something even worse out there
And honestly having someone that isn't the Master chief as the main character is the better choice, ala Dredd 2012
the fact that all of the chief action scenes doesn’t even add up to exactly 7 mins is a bungie and therefore halo travesty
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8:06 I disagree, I believe the helmet being on keeps the theme of John being a weapon and not a person. People refer to him as “Master Chief” or “Spartan”. I don’t think it has anything to do with putting your own self I to MCs shoes. It’s got to do with the theme of him being dehumanized, not the other way around. MC connects with Cortana, an AI, more than any other character in-universe bc he feels more connected with a non-human than any other person. It’s more of the same theme that implies he is treated and behaves like a machine, a weapon, a Spartan. He is not human, and that is the point. You said it yourself-he’s an emotionally conditioned, pre-programmed child soldier that has been genetically and technologically enhanced. That is why the helmet being removed is a bad choice. It makes MC a character he never was.
Every second I spent watching the show has been driven by the thinking "It'll get good soon. Something will happen."
It just never does.
There are moments when it feels like it should, but they're so few and far between that I just go numb and don't even notice that what I'm watching is supposed to be Halo.
I wonder if that's what it's like to be addicted to drugs? A few moments of enjoyment, then a daze until the next one, somehow weakened and unfulfilling, but with just enough promise to keep you going.
I couldn't get through the 1st episode. I turned it off after like 30-35 mins. I was watching with my bud and we were just in hysterics watching what was on the screen. Like the Halo content and seeing different perspectives from others. For the actor playing MC, he was in Den of Thieves and 13 Hours if you wanna see more of his acting. I mean those are the ones I've seen him in.
Is he any good in those?
The halo series is thr only show i actually skipped through dialogue for,imagine that
@Fizhy 13 hours is a good movie. I didn't know who he was when i watched it, so i can't really recall what he was like specifically but i don't really remember anything bad about any of the characters.
It's ironic kind of because 13 hours atmosphere is probably closer to halo than this show is, and it's about a real world event.
The Halo creators failed when the Mandalorian showed how its done ...
I felt like i was having a fucking aneurysm at least once every episode
Okay, I don’t like the season 2 plot but I think I figured out Ackerson and ONI’s plan.
They let Cortana get captured so she can gain knowledge about the Covenant, their homeworld and leadership (in the games she was a key part of the UNSC’s plans for a “final strike” to kill off the Covenant leadership… and then Reach fell unexpectedly)
They let Reach fall to make her capture seem genuine. ONI wasn’t trying to kill Johnny Halo, he’s too important to their propaganda.
The reason why he was told to turn himself in was so he could be shipped off world with the other assets.
It was literally nothing personal.
I get what you are saying here and was thinking the same.
Except, Ackerson has broken the Cole protocol by letting Cortana fall in the hands of the covenant...unless of course she is a copy which doesn't contain the knowledge of earth...in which case why couldn't they have written this bait n switch tactic into the silver timeline WITHOUT having to let so many die on Reach? That's treason and crimes against humanity for Ackerson and co.
Also, Cheeks and fellow Spartans were never going to be removed with other said assets because if so, why would cobalt team be sacrificed so pathetically.
See, your version is more well thought out than what the show runners and writers can come up with. They should have done what you said.
Parangonski obviously made a deal with cortana to safe cheeks life when she was being removed from his brain....but if it was " save Jimmy rings and I'll get caught by the covenant and get you intel" it was a VERY RISKY plan given all their other collective attempts have failed.
All this hate against halo fans against halo adaptations is making me not want to be a halo fan anymore, the community is torn and half complain about how they hate everything halo that comes out…
I will say Ackerson in Season 2 is actually spot on to his book counterpart
Funny as I’m literally starting season 2, episode 1 as I’m scrolling my notifications and see your video post. That statement in itself should tell you how BAD it is! I’m only watching because it’s live-action Halo and I have nothing else to binge right now! Chief not wearing his armor. Emotional Spartans. The human that’s with The Covenant. Not ALL humans being Reclaimers. And on and on… plus, this is just a few of the high-level MASSIVE problems!Epically horrid!!
EDIT: I see you hit on all these points and more. You even said “And on and on!” Lol! Appreciate your insight!
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He wears the armour in all 3 of the first 3 episodes is season 2
@adamc117 Yeah, I just finished the first episode and LOVED the action with Chief fighting The Covenant in the fog. Then he takes his helmet off and is clearly shaken on the Pelican and in debrief. Just completely took me out of the immersion! Other than that, I really liked that episode!
its the constant story of people in the entertainment industry being incompetent and failing upwards
Resident evil fans: "first time?"
After watching all those amazing trailers, playing the games & seeing the Spartans turn up in Forward unto Dawn, I genuinely thought a Halo TV series would be amazing... The absolute 2 no-no's when making a Halo TV series; 1. Chief taking his helmet off 2. Not using his voice actor. That's actually criminal to me, how cool would it have been after many seasons right at the end an old grizzled Chief takes his mask off and its Steve Downes...
What I would want to tell those people who made this show and many a so called "adaptation" or "sequel" or "reboot" of various franchises in the last decades: If you don't like the source material DO NOT MAKE A SHOW IN THAT FRANCHISE! Go pick a franchise you like or make something new of your own!
never seen that (not) Fan fiction series and never will, but great video from you. thx.
Watch “Den of Thieves”, it’s got ole Pablo in it. He more or less plays that same character in this. Same acting I mean, their stories are completely different, that’s a heist movie 😂
They should have never tackled the mainline franchise. Adapting whats already perfect and cinematic is pointless. They should have fully committed to an anscillary story, use side characters or make up new ones. It means nothing if this isnt "Canon", theyve violated core principles of existing characters and are making something that is fundamentally not Halo.
Season 2 is a marked improvement. I feel that's worth talking about. There was a change of showrunners and they were given the keys to a broken car and I feel they've done a much better job putting it back together. Looks like we're getting to the start of Combat Evolved by the end of the season.
I want to say thank you for speaking out against this heresy. You vocalized almost everything that I’ve been frustrated with in watching this show. The poor pacing, the exposition dumps, bad writing, antithetical story elements, contrivances and boring tropes. Thank you!
I didn’t even know that a tv halo series even existed til this video, funny enough 😅
I never played halo but I’m open to hear about it
nice video 👍✨
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Rah love your vids man Carry on what your doing
The writers said they felt limited by the source material. This is the writers saying they wanted to write their own show but were slapped with Halo instead
Great video! It is so sad How many movies, series etc that struggles with pace, writing and much more. Is awkward how bad it is nowadays. And that they always make fun or ignore the lore of What franchise they are making the movie/series… why? 🤦🏻♂️
The whole series was there on a plate. We’ve have been given all of the marvel universe with canon, lore, Easter eggs etc embedded into the movies - this could have been so simple to do for the writers to pick a place in the timeline, create a story that sits well in the given timeline, fill it with nuances that give back to the fans and end season 1 at a point which leads into another game (E.g. between reach and combat evolved) the season 2 could be put in the next gap a few years later. With the Mandalorian, we were given HELMET STAYS ON AT ALL COSTS, and all of the above for fans to enjoy…
Showrunner: "Season 2 will be more faithful to the games."
Episode 1 - Keyes is Admiral
Episode 4 - Keyes dies on Reach
Back in the Bungie days, they were leery of any outside adaptation of their ip. Probably because they wanted no other hands messing with whatever story they wanted to tell. In hindsight, and particularly looking at the shitshow the tv adaptation is, it seems they were proven oh so very right.
Edit: The players not seeing Chief's face WAS intentional on Bungie's part. They wanted the player to BE the Master Chief as part of the whole power fantasy thing, which is why so little character and voicelines were added for him.
I would like to see a tv show based on the marines during the times of reach (or earlier)and having the some of the spartans appear (like noble or chief) like monsters/ demons
This is a really good breakdown! I feel like the showrunners brush off most criticism because it's coming from "angry nerds". But this was well delivered!
It feels more and more like they deliberately assumed the fan base that was cut out for them are stupid, WHILE trying to hijack it for themselves
The disrespect halo recieved after 2011 is the biggest punch to the gut the fans ever got.
*After 2010. Don't forget CEA exists.
@@Horgler CEA was ok, i'll take a downgraded CEA because of the addition of steam workshop, Massive Mod for CEA is actually insane and turned CE into the game i've always wanted.
@@Neoyugi Seems a bit silly to give credit to CEA for mod support when the steam workshop for MCC has only been around for a few years. Plus mods already existed for the PC version of CE well before Anniversary came out.
@@Horgler Releasing MCC on steam is what i'm giving credit too, as workshop makes installing mods insanely easy. I know CE mods existed before then.
The disrespect started for me when 343 gave everyone recon away after i did all the vidmaster achievements.
Remember when the siege of madrigal was an Easter egg song and not an opening episode?
I was apprehensive about 343 taking over the Halo games but they have done a good enough job and added their own to the series and I enjoy their games just as much as I do the original Bungie games, just without the nostalgia buff, but the tv show? Fuck the tv show. It's heresy of the 2nd highest order.
Love the vids tho.
The biggest problem is they hired writers that didnt play the games read the books or bothered to do their research on the lore. They didnt have anyone to oversee the project as well. They did this on purpose looking for a easy cash grab. Anyone that comments how bad it is on the website they block their comments. Its filled with bots and people lying about being halo fans. They can't handle constructive criticism at all. The only way this show can be fixed is to fire the team and hire people that actually care about the game. They did a pretty good job with Last of Us. That got alot of positive feedback.
8:24 exactly. awesome video by the way
Everything feels unearned in this show. Revealing Chief's face, Keyes' death, Vannak's death, the forced emotions we're supposed to feel for side characters, even the fall of Reach. A season and a half of buildup to the fall and it's over in 1 episode where most of the action took place off screen. I don't understand when people say that Keyes went out like a boss, for example. Why? Because he had a pipe? It felt so anticlimactic, unrealistic and unearned. That's how the whole show feels... like every single expectation we have is just going to be subverted, because it will be.
I fully agree with you on the writing front its so weirdly bonkers in parts as if the writers have an idea where they want the story to go but have no idea how to get there. And how has the UNSC missed that some of their highly trained, rare and super expensive super soldiers are acting weird and have removed their pellets? Did I miss something or is UNSC medical just really bad?
One of their biggest sins, that I haven't heard anyone mention is: where I'd Sgt. Johnson? What knucklehead made a Halo show and didn't think to include him? I hate how 343 and Paramount keep making the Chief a traitor or whatever. Wtf?
Neill Blompkamp (District9), idea of Halo was more military. They shouldve taken him.
You’re right. Soldiers love getting their helmets off and that’s what subtly sets Spartans apart. They live in their helmets 247. They are more comfortable being soldiers than anything else humanity can offer. I’ll watch it though and I bet a lot of other people will too because we’re starved for good sci-fi and this gives us a pittance. I would wager the producers knew that on some level too.
I wonder if this coming out in the wake of the writers strike has anything to do with it. Much of it was made previously but writers were getting ripped off for a very long time and who could blame them for not caring when they’re barely scraping by?
I think season one should have started with when Halsey/Keys interviewed John as a child. Then they could have followed the events up to the fall of reach. In all those events we could see chiefs face as he grows and then when we finally see Pablos face as an adult it wont be so hard to accept.
They think gamers want to see halfass game of thrones drama forgetting how the show went after it stopped following the books
I unironically think the Chief should have been Filipino as a nod to the true Juan 'Jonny' Rico from the Star Troppers book.
This is a good summary of the situation.
I have to write my feelings about the topic and it will be a little bit long comment. So bear with me.
What I expected from the series? I did not expect it to be fully the same as the games of course, as tv and video games are a different medium. I understand this. But I expected it to follow the general feeling of the games. I think to make a comparison, I would´ve liked it to be like Band of Brothers / Master And Commander type of series.
And the biggest sin of the series is that it goes on side quests when there are no episodes to waste on those. Side quests and filler episodes were ok when the seasons lasted like around 20 episodes. Like Babylon 5 had 22 episodes and Start Trek TNG had 22, 25 or 26 episodes per season. Then you could have those but not when seasons last under 10 episodes.
So what is the premise if someone has forgotten it? Humanity is facing a genocidal alien race that is trying to exterminate humanity. Yes, to kill every single human, which means every woman, man, non-binary, child, whoever!
In the lore, the war with the Covenant started in 2525, the date the series started is 2552. That means when the series starts, humanity has been fighting a war against the Covenant for 27 years. And humanity is loosing the war very badly.
Where do we see it in the series? During the first season there was one scene that lasts only a few seconds with a video clip of a glassed planet. That is the only scene which showed the scale of what is going on. Where was the feeling of desparation? The sense of war time urgency? Everyone are way too relaxed and calm!!
Then the "chosen ones". I feel sad they went with this route as according to lore all humans are the "chosen ones" or better yet "reclaimers". Not just a couple. The Master Chief does not need to be somekind of a magical chosen one to be the savior of humanity. They really wanted to insert the Makee character didn´t they and in doing so destroyed one of the most importan features in the lore? If they wanted to have Makee, why they couldn´t write her to the story in any other way?
Then downplaying the fall of Reach!! That made me curse out loud. The fall of Reach is one of the, no, it is the pivotal moment of the Human-Covenant War.
Reach was a bastion, it was THE military planet of humanity, which was thought to be too strong to fall or even be attacked. Where humanity went almost all-in with the Covenant, and lost.
And it was not just the fall of the planet but the whole star system. Reach was the main planet but there were big battles in space and on other planets of the star system.
Both sides took heavy losses but humanity got hit so bad, that after this it was sure that the Covenant will reach Earth sooner or later.
REMEMBER REACH!!!
Why couldn´t they implement the storyline from the game here instead of making MC go AWOL? Make it like the opening from Reach and have the Silver team go to the outpost and get instructions to investigate the blackout of the Visegrad relay and the disappearance of the Noble team (who went to investigate the same thing). Then we let Noble team rescue Cortana (like in the game) while Silver goes and does other shenanigans. Heck, tell a story how John-117 ends up on the Autumn.
But no and of course, of course, it had to be Kwan that rescued Halsey and Silver team. Not the Pilar of Autumn. And the Master Chief sleeps (not on the Pilar of Autumn) over the biggest battle in human history.
Also we know Cortana is very important to the UNSC and they just let the Covenant take her? Let me guess, it will be that Makee and the Arbiter will fly to Halo, because of course they will know the location of it. Then Cortana will message the location of the Halo to MC and they will fly there in their pirate ship.
And why they had to rename New Alexandria to Reach City? Lazy writing? Reach City on the planet Reach. How about Mars city on Mars? Or if the series (and story) goes that far, New Mombasa will be Earth city? Lazy, just lazy.
But honestly, I don´t have any big problems problems with the characters. Most of them are misplaced and misused but with good writing they could be much better.
Wow, I knew my comment was going to be long but this long, hehe. I will end my rambling with this:
I think if you go and look at the game cutscenes, game story videos and the live action game trailers, and even those are better in their feeling, quality and respecting to the lore than the tv series. Then your tv series production has something really wrong in it.
Fizhy. I know this is very random but how do you overcome a fear of streaming😭
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