"If you had studied ontology, you would understand what I'm talking about, but I can't explain how the study of ontology illuminates the issue and I don't have any resources I can point you to so that you will be able to understand it. Just take my word for it that it makes sense."
So you have to study an entire branch of philosophy (ontology) to understand the simple statement that something "is"? If it's so simple, it should only need a simple answer.
This is actually a perfect example of faith. The thought process just ends at "god just is..." There's no exploring beyond this point, just acceptance and repetition. This guy is not the smartest guy in the world, if he was just a little smarter he argue in wider pointless circles. Arguments from all fundamental christians really just boil down to this.
There is a difference between being gullible and being open minded. He's not falling for their fallacious arguments devoid of any evidence, that doesn't make him closed minded...
5 YEAR OLD: Santa Claus doesn't exist he just is. RATIONAL PERSON: Santa Claus doesn't exist. OK I agree we're done. 5 YEAR OLD: Don't take me out of context. Santa Claus doesn't exist he just is.
"God just is" is not an ontological definition. Being without being anything does not make sense. God must posses qualities and properties in-order to define god's ontology.
david: you quote me word for word, you're taking me out of context david: i don't know how to explain god, but he exists anyway david: god is outside of time, nothing is outside of time, except god david: i don't understand what you're saying, therefore you are wrong
I always find it so disappointing to see people in this young age group who have been sucked into believing in religion. One can see how their brains actually become damaged as they continually have to find disingenuous means to skirt dealing in logic and reason. Eventually, those lies become hard wired in their brains which allows them to hide from the fact that they have abandoned reason in favor of the fantasy hope that they'll live a luxurious existence in some magical land in the sky.
The old idea of an 'uncaused cause' restated as 'just is'. Those who say 'just isn't' may have as tough a time proving their assertion. Note 'proving'... not 'justifying' their belief which a lack of evidence does so eloquently. Compared to the ubiquitous description of god as supernatural, the concept of 'just is' seems to have merit, but so poorly expressed it deserves the ridicule showered upon it. IMO, from whence all came, no one can really say.
"God is". "God is". We were taught in 3rd grade that incomplete sentences don't convey proper information. "God is" isn't an answer, it's an incomplete sentence, thus an incomplete thought. So, if "God is", then he is an incomplete thought. Of course he's an incomplete thought... people back then were dumb as hell.
I'm a little late to the party here but I thought I would just add this: "God just is" define "is" - 3rd person singular of be define "be" - exist define "exist" - have objective reality or being So for a god to be real it has to "exist" in "objective reality" Or: "I am that I am" define "am" - 1st person singular present of "be" Oops! Here we go again ..... Is this what they mean by "virtuously circular"?
No defensible or rational position theists can take. Logical question; God just is; Logical question; God just is; Logical question; God just is; Logical question; [Louder] God just is; Logical question; God just is because I say so;
God is period? Yuck! But seriously, saying God just is is like saying "A purple unicorn just is" We know what it is. It is a CONCEPT. It doesn't actually exist in any way that we would define existence in the real world. The fact that David cannot finish his sentences out of fear he will be found out as a pseudo-intellectual doesn't change this.
How is it possible for something that exists outside of time (non existent), to affect things in time? Oh, that's right, "god just is". It's all so fucking obvious once you know!
Jesus Christ, getting a definition for a deity out of some theists is like pulling teeth. If I ever need to make a case for why people should be igtheistic I will only have to link them to this video.
My pink invisible unicorn revealed its existence to me, and to everybody else. And if you don't believe in my PIU, then you are just suppressing the knowledge of PIU, because PIU revealed to me that everybody knows in their hearths that the PIU is real. The evidence is that we are all made in the image of my PIU.
I wonder if it makes any sense in David's head to say "God is". God is ... what? God is a cat? That reminds me of the 1984 book's Newspeak. "Newspeak is engineered to remove even the possibility of rebellious thoughts"[1] So "God is" becomes a valid statement, even so normally it is incomplete. [1] www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/section11.rhtml
If we would have anything in common with a god it would be logic. Since christians are very irrational when explaining their god they could not possibly be right.
I hate this New Age guru type language where you just say stupid shit like "God just is", and expect everyone to just know what your talking about and just accept it, like "woah, man, its so deep bro."
I am sorry but these guys are just intellectually devoid of any logic. They just repeat "God is" and hope that at one point you will go "oooooh I get it now". They cannot explain what "God is" actually means. I can say "the universe just is" and defeat their premise. Although funny to watch, fsx23 you are wasting your time with these unarmed "intellectuals". "Allah or Queen Shiva or Brahma just is" - is a meaningless statement.
It's so funny that people like graeme bell talks so much shit, but then is so cowardly that he has set his account so that no one can reply to him. And then he calls _other_ people closed minded. LMAO
No I do not have a closed mind, most Atheists I know don't. Close minded does not mean that someone is skeptical or simply unconvinced. Close minded means someone has an assumed conclusion which I don't have. Really? Show me where it talks about "Hiroshima", "Nuclear Weapon", "August 6, 1945", where does it say "Enola Gay"? It may vaguely predict the destruction of a city but your claim is unjustifiable. It you really think it's true only because the Bible says it, you are the close minded one.
ironic, if god is "proven" by the fact that humans are rational, then David is a good example that god does not exists due to his irrationality. Presuppositional apologetics at its best.
If there were any evidence for your god you wouldn't require faith to be a believer. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any god but only the ludicrous assertions of people who were gullible enough to believe the ramblings of deluded tribal shamans, like Abraham. You say that there is lots of evidence. How about providing even one piece of evidence, let alone lots. I know you can't.
@graeme bell - "I will be mocking and laughing as you all suffer." -- Based on this comment, I would guess that you are a xian, right? I bet your jebus would be so proud!
Since the bile contains hundreds of contradictions, inconsistencies, logical fallacies and flat out lies, why would you invoke it to try to defend your position? Don't you understand that it is even less effective than invoking Harry Potter books? Also, why are you invoking the name of another god when you are xian and claim to only believe in the one?
Becky Urbansky _"You failed again."_ How is that a "fail" again? And when did I fail the first time? So far, I've been thoroughly kicking your ass, intellectually speaking. You have the debate skills of a petulant 6 year old. I have lost to you only in the same way that a person loses a game of chess to a pidgin: you squawk without actually saying anything, you walk about and knock over the pieces, you shit all over the board, and then you strut around like you've won the game. _"it was either YOUR bile or that of a relative"_ -- No, I'm not the one poisoning my mind with 1500 year old fairy tales created by ignorant, superstitious goat herders. I'm not the one poisoning my mind with delusions of grandeur while displaying mind-numbing stupidity. I''m not the one that is denying reality to hold tightly to juvenile fantasies. No, this is most assuredly YOUR bile.
"God is outside of time" "Nothing is outside of time"
Fucking priceless.
Oh mate, that was painful. You have way more patience than I do. More power to you, I enjoy what you do.
i wont answer: "yes, because it is. and since it is, it is." but its tempting :)
Wow, what was painful... poor guy.
Well that was frustrating.
That pink unicorn "just is" :P
These two are the absolute worst.
Christian Love at its best
"If you had studied ontology, you would understand what I'm talking about, but I can't explain how the study of ontology illuminates the issue and I don't have any resources I can point you to so that you will be able to understand it. Just take my word for it that it makes sense."
"can justify"
You restated the assertion.
IF a child said "god just is", would that child be given any credit for knowing what they are talking about?
I think they wouldn't.
Paul
So you have to study an entire branch of philosophy (ontology) to understand the simple statement that something "is"? If it's so simple, it should only need a simple answer.
Yeah, we're the close minded ones. How dare we rely on actual evidence.
"god just is..."
Repeat as necessary.
Reality IS.
"Just is" comment made him look really clever yes :)
This is actually a perfect example of faith. The thought process just ends at "god just is..." There's no exploring beyond this point, just acceptance and repetition.
This guy is not the smartest guy in the world, if he was just a little smarter he argue in wider pointless circles. Arguments from all fundamental christians really just boil down to this.
Yup, that guy just stops at that and just accepts it...
You tombstone shall read "I did it for the lulz."
There is a difference between being gullible and being open minded.
He's not falling for their fallacious arguments devoid of any evidence, that doesn't make him closed minded...
If god is out of time and you are made in his image. Logic breaks down if you red your sacred texts.
5 YEAR OLD: Santa Claus doesn't exist he just is.
RATIONAL PERSON: Santa Claus doesn't exist. OK I agree we're done.
5 YEAR OLD: Don't take me out of context. Santa Claus doesn't exist he just is.
"God just is" is not an ontological definition. Being without being anything does not make sense. God must posses qualities and properties in-order to define god's ontology.
david: you quote me word for word, you're taking me out of context
david: i don't know how to explain god, but he exists anyway
david: god is outside of time, nothing is outside of time, except god
david: i don't understand what you're saying, therefore you are wrong
I always find it so disappointing to see people in this young age group who have been sucked into believing in religion. One can see how their brains actually become damaged as they continually have to find disingenuous means to skirt dealing in logic and reason. Eventually, those lies become hard wired in their brains which allows them to hide from the fact that they have abandoned reason in favor of the fantasy hope that they'll live a luxurious existence in some magical land in the sky.
The old idea of an 'uncaused cause' restated as 'just is'. Those who say 'just isn't' may have as tough a time proving their assertion. Note 'proving'... not 'justifying' their belief which a lack of evidence does so eloquently. Compared to the ubiquitous description of god as supernatural, the concept of 'just is' seems to have merit, but so poorly expressed it deserves the ridicule showered upon it. IMO, from whence all came, no one can really say.
gd. you owned that guy.
If ontology is the study of beans. What sort of bean is God? A Mexican jumping bean?
Dear David,
What is Time?
Anyone can assert without proving their position true while using the you know I'm right method.
"God is". "God is". We were taught in 3rd grade that incomplete sentences don't convey proper information.
"God is" isn't an answer, it's an incomplete sentence, thus an incomplete thought. So, if "God is", then he is an incomplete thought. Of course he's an incomplete thought... people back then were dumb as hell.
The one with hat.. really is just tap dancing...
I'm a little late to the party here but I thought I would just add this:
"God just is"
define "is" - 3rd person singular of be
define "be" - exist
define "exist" - have objective reality or being
So for a god to be real it has to "exist" in "objective reality"
Or:
"I am that I am"
define "am" - 1st person singular present of "be"
Oops! Here we go again .....
Is this what they mean by "virtuously circular"?
He just is, duh. It's so simple.....
No defensible or rational position theists can take. Logical question; God just is; Logical question; God just is; Logical question; God just is; Logical question; [Louder] God just is; Logical question; God just is because I say so;
God is period? Yuck! But seriously, saying God just is is like saying "A purple unicorn just is" We know what it is. It is a CONCEPT. It doesn't actually exist in any way that we would define existence in the real world. The fact that David cannot finish his sentences out of fear he will be found out as a pseudo-intellectual doesn't change this.
There's evidence for "god is"?
This is fucking hilarious.
thats easy: because it just is.
How is it possible for something that exists outside of time (non existent), to affect things in time?
Oh, that's right, "god just is". It's all so fucking obvious once you know!
he cannot define god, but he seems to know its a "he".
is "because he just is" about the same as "because i say so"?
If god is "outside time" how can we be made in that image? And why is god a primate?
Lol... David has reduced his arguments to complete absurdity. This is hilarious.
Jesus Christ, getting a definition for a deity out of some theists is like pulling teeth.
If I ever need to make a case for why people should be igtheistic I will only have to link them to this video.
My pink invisible unicorn revealed its existence to me, and to everybody else. And if you don't believe in my PIU, then you are just suppressing the knowledge of PIU, because PIU revealed to me that everybody knows in their hearths that the PIU is real. The evidence is that we are all made in the image of my PIU.
I wonder if it makes any sense in David's head to say "God is". God is ... what? God is a cat?
That reminds me of the 1984 book's Newspeak. "Newspeak is engineered to remove even the possibility of rebellious thoughts"[1] So "God is" becomes a valid statement, even so normally it is incomplete.
[1] www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/section11.rhtml
If we would have anything in common with a god it would be logic. Since christians are very irrational when explaining their god they could not possibly be right.
ROFL. God is.
is (z)
v.
Third person singular present indicative of be.
The study of be-ing. Being what? LOL
I hate this New Age guru type language where you just say stupid shit like "God just is", and expect everyone to just know what your talking about and just accept it, like "woah, man, its so deep bro."
I am sorry but these guys are just intellectually devoid of any logic. They just repeat "God is" and hope that at one point you will go "oooooh I get it now". They cannot explain what "God is" actually means.
I can say "the universe just is" and defeat their premise. Although funny to watch, fsx23 you are wasting your time with these unarmed "intellectuals".
"Allah or Queen Shiva or Brahma just is" - is a meaningless statement.
Never seen you without a hat : )
It's so funny that people like graeme bell talks so much shit, but then is so cowardly that he has set his account so that no one can reply to him. And then he calls _other_ people closed minded. LMAO
No I do not have a closed mind, most Atheists I know don't. Close minded does not mean that someone is skeptical or simply unconvinced. Close minded means someone has an assumed conclusion which I don't have.
Really? Show me where it talks about "Hiroshima", "Nuclear Weapon", "August 6, 1945", where does it say "Enola Gay"? It may vaguely predict the destruction of a city but your claim is unjustifiable.
It you really think it's true only because the Bible says it, you are the close minded one.
It would be funny.........If these guys weren't serious.
ironic, if god is "proven" by the fact that humans are rational, then David is a good example that god does not exists due to his irrationality. Presuppositional apologetics at its best.
Dont ya know god IS !!
Gods a NOUN??
Oh no he didn't!!!!
Lol
If there were any evidence for your god you wouldn't require faith to be a believer. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any god but only the ludicrous assertions of people who were gullible enough to believe the ramblings of deluded tribal shamans, like Abraham. You say that there is lots of evidence. How about providing even one piece of evidence, let alone lots. I know you can't.
these two are terrible...
@graeme bell - "I will be mocking and laughing as you all suffer." -- Based on this comment, I would guess that you are a xian, right? I bet your jebus would be so proud!
"In the beginning God..." Genesis 1:1. "...A-men." Revelation 22:21.
From the beginning to the end, God is, Amen! (End of discussion.)
Since the bile contains hundreds of contradictions, inconsistencies, logical fallacies and flat out lies, why would you invoke it to try to defend your position? Don't you understand that it is even less effective than invoking Harry Potter books?
Also, why are you invoking the name of another god when you are xian and claim to only believe in the one?
Becky Urbansky It would be the bile that you poison your mind with.
Dienekes You failed again. it was either YOUR bile or that of a relative.
Becky Urbansky _"You failed again."_ How is that a "fail" again? And when did I fail the first time? So far, I've been thoroughly kicking your ass, intellectually speaking. You have the debate skills of a petulant 6 year old. I have lost to you only in the same way that a person loses a game of chess to a pidgin: you squawk without actually saying anything, you walk about and knock over the pieces, you shit all over the board, and then you strut around like you've won the game.
_"it was either YOUR bile or that of a relative"_ -- No, I'm not the one poisoning my mind with 1500 year old fairy tales created by ignorant, superstitious goat herders. I'm not the one poisoning my mind with delusions of grandeur while displaying mind-numbing stupidity. I''m not the one that is denying reality to hold tightly to juvenile fantasies. No, this is most assuredly YOUR bile.