Hi! I just saw this today, and you have immense patience. Thank you for defending people like myself - a queer person born queer and being told I'm insane and deluded and hell-bound. I'm 30 too; we had the interwebs. It just sucked :). I've subscribed. I think you are definitely worth more subs than you have, and I plan to spread the word (lol) around. You're awesome. Keep it up!
I've found you can have some interesting chats with Christians, it's vital to be civil with them, even if they're saying bat-shit crazy stuff, the trick is to not try and be too condescending. You asked some good questions and gave some good answers.
I have said this to about 5 atheists on youtube and mean it genuinely that you are a world debater when it comes to debating theist,i mean you frustrated Sye Ten and for that i think you are amazing.
My goodness. Im so torn about my atheism now. That whole pillar of salt thing and definitely the chariots in the sea claim.....how can I argue against such rock solid evidence!? LOL Seriously, how can a grown adult say such claims and not think to themselves "Man I kinda sound like a moron when I say that" ?
I love that slight smile you do when you stump a Christian,there's nothing a Christian can't rationalize about their god and bible,a Christian said to me yesterday that knowledge and the love of seeking knowledge is the devils tool for taking you away from christ,i was stunned and couldn't move out of disbelief of what i had just heard.
Forget everything I just said. I got to the bit at 41:40 where FSX lists some things he likes to read, and the theist says "Oooh, you like to *learnerate* people?"
Babies do have the ability to tell right from wrong. When they see someone acting rudely by fighting, yelling, or stealing they become agitated. When they see someone helping another person they receive a rush of endorphin (the feel-good chemical in your brain). Even during a simple puppet show on Brain Games, babies reached for the puppet that "helped" another puppet. They have difficulty understanding concepts like property and privacy because they were alien concepts to our early ancestors and did not provide an evolutionary advantage until modern times.
I didn't mind this guy that much, at least he engaged in conversation instead of being stuck for 90 minutes about "how do you know that to be true?" But towards then end "God can do anything" as explanation for impossible scenarios is lame. All in all, a pretty fun conversation.
His continuous statement of "you don't believe because you're not a believer" is as idiotic as Sye's phrase. How can a person who is able to live a daily livfe not see how moronic that statement is?
Yeah, I'm sure that argument makes much more sense inside his head. He thinks that you need to decide to believe it is true before you even pick up the book.
choice.......even if you choose to explore the other side, you still need that attraction to be there. a man or woman is not going to engage the same sex in the act of sex "just because".
This is drinking game material- 1. Take a shot every time he says, "You don't believe because you are not a believer." 2. Take a shot every time he stutters. WARNING: You may die from alcohol poisoning
That is almost the exact same response I get from theist that I talk to. - You have to believe in order to believe. - That is *my* believe. - You not here to learn anything - You just read the Bible but you don't understand it, etc. Because, for example, they don't use the word "learning" the same way normal people do. Normally, learning means read it, understand it and try it for yourself. But theists "learning" is to accept claims by faith, and to accept dogmas by faith. To Learn means to "gain knowledge, comprehension, or mastery of through experience or study."[1]. But theistic "learning" is to accept dogmas by faith and to memorize those dogmas. [1] www.thefreedictionary.com/learn
His argument seems to be that a person must first believe and then they will believe... Please tell me I am hearing this wrong. Nobody could be that dense... Right?
If a man can marry an other man, then what's next? A man marrying his father's daughter? "Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife." - Genisis 20:12 (Abraham speaking)
"let me tell you something" "let me tell you something" "let me tell you something" "let me tell you something" "let me tell you something" "let me tell you something" I don't know how you can stand it man...
First of all, neither do I. First of all, I don't think anyone else does either. First of all, it may be impossible to stand this level of stupidity without nerves of adamantium or stronger.
We're the last sane person in an asylum here. The crazies have all the keys. There are no political or social gains to be had by atheists in present day America. Our children are forced to recite pledges to a Christian god, prayers to a Christian god are said at essentially every public meeting. We're a de facto Christian State.
So you want to give up, by pointing and laughing? Non-religious people are the fastest growing religious group in the USA. There is no reason to despair.
So you have to believe it before you read it. Yet if you dont read it you dont even know what you are supposed to believe. If you have faith in something before looking into it you will believe anything. Apparently this guy does...
fsx23: Look, my name's Fareed and that's an Arabic name. My father was Muslim, my mother is Christian. So, from my point of view, how do I decide which one of these two people claiming truth are correct? Christian Guy: Well, you go to God in prayer for that one. You ask God for direction. fsx23: And I did! Christian Guy: What has he showed you? fsx23: Nothing. Christian Guy: Well, ask again! LMFAO! My hope is that one day this guy understands why we are not believers and takes steps to take his blinders off.
I've actually had people say this stuff to me, and it's sooooo stupid. The reason you don't believe the bible is true, is because you don't believe in it. You need to convince yourself to believe, so you can be convinced. You need to believe in god, and ask him to reveal himself, and if nothing happens, ask again, if it still doesn't work, it's your fault. This can be used to argue for anything. You have to convince yourself to believe Haruhi Suzumiya is god, before I can convince you that she's real.
One question I like asking Christians is: _If you could go back in time, would you save Jesus from being crucified?_ If they waffle or make some excuse why they couldn't, then I ask them _If you knew that I had a time machine and I was going back in time to save Jesus from being crucified, would you stop me?_ I had some JWs knock on my door to preach, and through a series of similar questions I got the little old lady to admit that she would nail Jesus to the cross herself.
John Smith It's a bit like with the Adam & Eve tale. If they didn't break gods command, we all wouldn't exist as they wouldn't have had sex ever. So in our own interest, we would do just what the snake did.
John Smith that's absolutely horrible if she would do that. personally, if i were in jerusalem at the time of jesus's crucifixion, i think i should hope to resist every fiber of my spiritual being to help him, knowing that god himself has predestined it to happen. for that same reason, i don't think one could stop the crucifixion. if you tried you would probably be crucified with him.
As a Christian it would be nice if you found someone to interview who used the word "ask" and not "axe". At 41:00 minutes he said you do not know the bible and on that point he was correct.
1:06:06 Ah, I get it now. You *used* to understand the bible, but then you read too much of it. And now because of that, you don't understand it anymore. Sorry for your loss =( (I'm in the same position)
OMG. I think he asked you for the reason you read the Bible like 9 times and you answered him each and every time. Poor P4G was way out of his depths in this conversation.
Evolution says being gay is wrong God says being gay is wrong Children are not born knowing right and wrong But you’re born knowing your gay!! now that asking for your cake and eating it, total shit Yes atheists are gay
rungavagairun Of course it does to theory, otherwise your will be extinct talk about loading the odds against a theory, that nearly got zero odds any way. Unless it just a grand fairy tale, yes you might be right you can throw any line in a fairy tale and get away with it.
rungavagairun Well yes the last lines off atheist defence try the grammar attack. Just like a bunch of people who spend most of the time swearing on the net and defending the perverts L.O.L. so predictable, no need to alter the sentence it must be good because hit deep.
God CANNOT come down and talk to you, that's the point. If god came down and talked to you, that would make him part of the natural world and thus NOT god. God is by definition immaterial so he couldn't possibly come talk to you. In order to interact with you, he would have to be matter and/or energy - if he's immaterial, then he is not matter or energy. God coming to talk to you would be logically impossible.
Adam Jones I just believe he was sent down to a send a message, i know for a fact he was not God. Christianity is just a fabrication of other religions and beliefs.
Why can't I choose to believe the bible? Well you don't believe because you simply don't believe. It's all so simple. You're not a truck driver because you don't drive trucks. Damn, why didn't I use that statement when I was a Christian? Oh yeah, because it doesn't answer the question. It is a stupid way of saying, well you just don't.
"Damn, why didn't I use that statement when I was a Christian?" You didn't use that statement as a christian because you didn't use that statement as a christian. I mean, duh?
WTF is ***** talking about? This guy is just rambling on about nothing. "What I'm saying is, if you don't believe in the bible, you're not a believer". No shit Sherlock. He said this like fifteen times. This was so funny.
"The reason that you don't believe god's word is that you're simply not a believer"... the definition of a nonsensical circular argument.
"A child doesn't know what homosexuality is."
He fails to mention that a child doesn't know what SEXUALITY is, period.
Holy mackerel... Glad to see a new fsx video, and then this... this was a special treat. He went in so many circles he made ME dizzy.
Hi! I just saw this today, and you have immense patience. Thank you for defending people like myself - a queer person born queer and being told I'm insane and deluded and hell-bound.
I'm 30 too; we had the interwebs. It just sucked :).
I've subscribed. I think you are definitely worth more subs than you have, and I plan to spread the word (lol) around. You're awesome. Keep it up!
Oh my dog. Does this guy only read the Bible? Does he ever read for pleasure? If he does, does he take it as law of the world?! What an idiot!!!
Thank you for your logic but above all for your patience and your kindness in the presence of so much stubbornness.
Your chat with Sye has still been the most magnificent. Though I really enjoyed this XD
Interesting video. I loved your April 1st video... :D
Enjoying the music for your intro
RUclips has been suggesting your videos for a bit, and I have been eating them up. I finally subscribed. Thanks for representing. Cheers!
I've found you can have some interesting chats with Christians, it's vital to be civil with them, even if they're saying bat-shit crazy stuff, the trick is to not try and be too condescending. You asked some good questions and gave some good answers.
That was a lot of tail chasin'! You stayed very calm and rational, fsx23.
I have no idea how you were able to go through with this. Wow.
***** Jesus can I have direction. Big Smile. hahaha..That was hilarious..
Oh fsx23, I really admire your patience with him. He had me ready to pull my hair out
Ahhh, the old "Chariots in the sea" routine. Thought that got laughed off the stage years ago, glad to see it's still doing the comedy circuit.
11:52
"Maff-of-matics."
"Trigomometry."
Loved this one fsx -- I don't have to eat an entire turd to realize it's not a crabcake. Can I quote you?:-)
I have said this to about 5 atheists on youtube and mean it genuinely that you are a world debater when it comes to debating theist,i mean you frustrated Sye Ten and for that i think you are amazing.
"I dont have to eat an entire turd to find out its not a crab cake" -fsx 2015
My goodness. Im so torn about my atheism now. That whole pillar of salt thing and definitely the chariots in the sea claim.....how can I argue against such rock solid evidence!? LOL Seriously, how can a grown adult say such claims and not think to themselves "Man I kinda sound like a moron when I say that" ?
"you can be bullied for anything"......might as well say "anyone can be pulled over by a cop for no reason".
I suppose the title is misspelled, it should have been:
"Asking A Foolish Christian, Questions" :)
I love that slight smile you do when you stump a Christian,there's nothing a Christian can't rationalize about their god and bible,a Christian said to me yesterday that knowledge and the love of seeking knowledge is the devils tool for taking you away from christ,i was stunned and couldn't move out of disbelief of what i had just heard.
Plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.
fsx23 You have the patience of a SAINT.
"You don't believe simply because you are not a believer"
I never heard a statement that conveyed NO information repeated SO many times.
You should invite him to your hangouts, he sounds like an OK dude (for a theist).
That was painful.
A lobotomy is painful.... This is unbearable.
you don't believe because you don't believe ....perfect logic
I can't take anymore of this. I made it to 30 minutes and this guys claims are outlandish. Lots wife still there. Chariots in the sea.
"Two male figures of the same sex...[sic]" *chuckle*
It's a real shame he's had his head filled with religious cotton wool, because he sounds like a really nice and otherwise intelligent guy.
Forget everything I just said. I got to the bit at 41:40 where FSX lists some things he likes to read, and the theist says "Oooh, you like to *learnerate* people?"
It just goes to show how powerful religion is at brainwashing, so much so that intelligent people can even be taken in.
Fsx23 'statistically that is not borne out'
Christian 'yeah I know but it's true'
Lol
The fact he's says he's not doing it to judge anybody is way too ironic.
hey maroon -- do you ever read any fiction, or do you limit yourself to only (debatably) non-fiction works?
Babies do have the ability to tell right from wrong. When they see someone acting rudely by fighting, yelling, or stealing they become agitated. When they see someone helping another person they receive a rush of endorphin (the feel-good chemical in your brain). Even during a simple puppet show on Brain Games, babies reached for the puppet that "helped" another puppet. They have difficulty understanding concepts like property and privacy because they were alien concepts to our early ancestors and did not provide an evolutionary advantage until modern times.
"Paul wrote phillemians". I did not know that.
Yeah, me either. I heard Stephen King wrote Genesis. ;-)
how do people find out about these hangouts?
Unbelievable.
You gotta believe it! :-p
Zeke Iddon
Before you can believe it!
Icont bell eve it snot butta
I didn't mind this guy that much, at least he engaged in conversation instead of being stuck for 90 minutes about "how do you know that to be true?"
But towards then end "God can do anything" as explanation for impossible scenarios is lame.
All in all, a pretty fun conversation.
His continuous statement of "you don't believe because you're not a believer" is as idiotic as Sye's phrase. How can a person who is able to live a daily livfe not see how moronic that statement is?
Yeah, I'm sure that argument makes much more sense inside his head. He thinks that you need to decide to believe it is true before you even pick up the book.
Great, now my head hurts from all the stupid, thanks FSX...
Lol... he knows that person _personally_!
This guy is clearly new to debating.
Christian 'belief is a choice'
Fsx 'could you believe...'
Christian 'no'
Now that is an intelligent lion.
Well, someone ate paint-chips as a child.
you got patience.
Fsx, where do you find all these crazy christians??
choice.......even if you choose to explore the other side, you still need that attraction to be there. a man or woman is not going to engage the same sex in the act of sex "just because".
This is drinking game material-
1. Take a shot every time he says, "You don't believe because you are not a believer."
2. Take a shot every time he stutters.
WARNING: You may die from alcohol poisoning
I like this guy. He is cool and intelligent.
That is almost the exact same response I get from theist that I talk to.
- You have to believe in order to believe. - That is *my* believe. - You not here to learn anything - You just read the Bible but you don't understand it, etc.
Because, for example, they don't use the word "learning" the same way normal people do. Normally, learning means read it, understand it and try it for yourself. But theists "learning" is to accept claims by faith, and to accept dogmas by faith. To Learn means to "gain knowledge, comprehension, or mastery of through experience or study."[1]. But theistic "learning" is to accept dogmas by faith and to memorize those dogmas.
[1] www.thefreedictionary.com/learn
A very profound theist. "You don't believe because you are not a believer." Wow! That sure convinced me, not.
You are unconvinced because you are not convinced!
Rosty89
And you are right because you are not wrong.
mikeyvester That's the spirit!
His argument seems to be that a person must first believe and then they will believe... Please tell me I am hearing this wrong. Nobody could be that dense... Right?
If a man can marry an other man, then what's next? A man marrying his father's daughter?
"Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife." - Genisis 20:12 (Abraham speaking)
"let me tell you something"
"let me tell you something"
"let me tell you something"
"let me tell you something"
"let me tell you something"
"let me tell you something"
I don't know how you can stand it man...
First of all, neither do I.
First of all, I don't think anyone else does either.
First of all, it may be impossible to stand this level of stupidity without nerves of adamantium or stronger.
Hey I think you mixed up the word order in the title of this video...
The christian needs to read a lot more books than just one!
WTf is a 'chooow'? Does he mean 'yoots'?
The only reasonable action is to point and laugh. They can't be reasoned with.
True in a way, but almost certainly false. I can't think of one thing (atheist political or social aim) you would reach easier by mocking Christians.
We're the last sane person in an asylum here. The crazies have all the keys. There are no political or social gains to be had by atheists in present day America. Our children are forced to recite pledges to a Christian god, prayers to a Christian god are said at essentially every public meeting. We're a de facto Christian State.
So you want to give up, by pointing and laughing?
Non-religious people are the fastest growing religious group in the USA. There is no reason to despair.
You call it giving up, I call it a tactical withdrawal.
***** isn't gay? Damn! What a heart-breaker!
I didn't know "homo-sex-sure-ality" was a sin.
I will never understand Christian logic but it's fun trying to do so.
You've got to believe in a book to read it, fictional authors new audience .
So where do straighf ppl fget there hetero ftom???
Is it true Dr. Seuss wrote Genesis?
So you have to believe it before you read it. Yet if you dont read it you dont even know what you are supposed to believe. If you have faith in something before looking into it you will believe anything. Apparently this guy does...
Not to mention, you corner his logic, and he responds with, "lemme ax you a question, ima ax you a question. mamaman ima tell you something hur."
fsx23: Look, my name's Fareed and that's an Arabic name. My father was Muslim, my mother is Christian. So, from my point of view, how do I decide which one of these two people claiming truth are correct?
Christian Guy: Well, you go to God in prayer for that one. You ask God for direction.
fsx23: And I did!
Christian Guy: What has he showed you?
fsx23: Nothing.
Christian Guy: Well, ask again!
LMFAO! My hope is that one day this guy understands why we are not believers and takes steps to take his blinders off.
This dude's a poe: 42:38 & 51:35
If I'm wrong, I've lost a significant amount of trust in the U.S. education system.
Son of a bitch! Fuck this video.
I thought he was actually going to try to say "trigonometry" (11:52), but he held back. I feel so robbed of joy.
I've actually had people say this stuff to me, and it's sooooo stupid.
The reason you don't believe the bible is true, is because you don't believe in it. You need to convince yourself to believe, so you can be convinced. You need to believe in god, and ask him to reveal himself, and if nothing happens, ask again, if it still doesn't work, it's your fault.
This can be used to argue for anything. You have to convince yourself to believe Haruhi Suzumiya is god, before I can convince you that she's real.
One question I like asking Christians is: _If you could go back in time, would you save Jesus from being crucified?_ If they waffle or make some excuse why they couldn't, then I ask them _If you knew that I had a time machine and I was going back in time to save Jesus from being crucified, would you stop me?_
I had some JWs knock on my door to preach, and through a series of similar questions I got the little old lady to admit that she would nail Jesus to the cross herself.
That's a good one. I hope I will remember it when if have the opportunity to present that question to a theist.
theheinzification It gets real fun when they have to start arguing that Judas did the right thing.
John Smith It's a bit like with the Adam & Eve tale. If they didn't break gods command, we all wouldn't exist as they wouldn't have had sex ever. So in our own interest, we would do just what the snake did.
John Smith that's absolutely horrible if she would do that. personally, if i were in jerusalem at the time of jesus's crucifixion, i think i should hope to resist every fiber of my spiritual being to help him, knowing that god himself has predestined it to happen. for that same reason, i don't think one could stop the crucifixion. if you tried you would probably be crucified with him.
jon keene If it was your child you would allow them to kill him/her?
As a Christian it would be nice if you found someone to interview who used the word "ask" and not "axe". At 41:00 minutes he said you do not know the bible and on that point he was correct.
28:23 Is he talking about that:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MountSodom061607.jpg
You need *a lot* of imagination to see there a woman.
Brainwashed to the extreme.
Not even 3 minutes in... This dude is claiming 'mankind' means homosexuality? WTF is he talking about?
You have to be a believer before you can believe in the bible. Around & around & around we go. Wow!
You just don't like hotdogs because you're not a hotdog liker. You just have to like hotdogs to like hotdogs.
I'm really annoyed by the classic fundamentalist Christian combination of smug and ignorant.
1:06:06 Ah, I get it now. You *used* to understand the bible, but then you read too much of it. And now because of that, you don't understand it anymore.
Sorry for your loss =( (I'm in the same position)
Lol. Just lol.... L Oh fucking L.
Can you have two male figures of different sexes?
Sorry, I couldn't get through half this shit. Lion man talks in circles and I don't think he knows what words mean.
OMG. I think he asked you for the reason you read the Bible like 9 times and you answered him each and every time.
Poor P4G was way out of his depths in this conversation.
Evolution says being gay is wrong
God says being gay is wrong
Children are not born knowing right and wrong
But you’re born knowing your gay!! now that asking for your cake and eating it, total shit
Yes atheists are gay
***** Evolution doesn't make value judgments anymore than gravity or inertia do. It's how organic populations behave over time.
rungavagairun Of course it does to theory, otherwise your will be extinct talk about loading the odds against a theory, that nearly got zero odds any way. Unless it just a grand fairy tale, yes you might be right you can throw any line in a fairy tale and get away with it.
***** that sentences not so good. I hope that you are either drunk or that English is not your first language.
rungavagairun
Well yes the last lines off atheist defence try the grammar attack. Just like a bunch of people who spend most of the time swearing on the net and defending the perverts
L.O.L. so predictable, no need to alter the sentence it must be good because hit deep.
was it david or is dad that had 700 wives ?
700 wives all giving you their weekend to-do lists? Fuck that!
OMG 2:30
I mean no offence, but this christian has no cognitive abilities at all. He can't comprehend simple logic.
*****
If homosexuality is a choice, then when did you (or I) *"DECIDE"* to be heterosexual?
You should find some more intelligent people to debate/talk with. He's not on your level, and he's painful to listen to, lol.
God CANNOT come down and talk to you, that's the point. If god came down and talked to you, that would make him part of the natural world and thus NOT god. God is by definition immaterial so he couldn't possibly come talk to you. In order to interact with you, he would have to be matter and/or energy - if he's immaterial, then he is not matter or energy. God coming to talk to you would be logically impossible.
But Jesus came down?
Selena Gomez did he?
Adam Jones
He was killed by humans so I guess so.
Selena Gomez I don't dispute that he existed or was killed, but I'm not convinced he was god.
Adam Jones
I just believe he was sent down to a send a message, i know for a fact he was not God. Christianity is just a fabrication of other religions and beliefs.
Why can't I choose to believe the bible? Well you don't believe because you simply don't believe. It's all so simple. You're not a truck driver because you don't drive trucks. Damn, why didn't I use that statement when I was a Christian? Oh yeah, because it doesn't answer the question. It is a stupid way of saying, well you just don't.
"Damn, why didn't I use that statement when I was a Christian?"
You didn't use that statement as a christian because you didn't use that statement as a christian. I mean, duh?
Rosty89 lol Makes perfect sense now. Thanks!
WTF is ***** talking about? This guy is just rambling on about nothing. "What I'm saying is, if you don't believe in the bible, you're not a believer". No shit Sherlock. He said this like fifteen times. This was so funny.
i believe this was a waste of your time, sorry mate, ciao