Imagine calling in, waiting on hold, talking to a call screener, waiting on hold, listening to the show through the phone you are holding up, forcing your way through a conversation, lose said conversation, and then when you FINALLY get to the troll part (the entire reason you spent all this time and effort), you are too excited to talk into the phone correctly and enunciate your words well enough to be intelligible. Astounding.
The anticipation was making him so nervous. You can tell by his voice and the way he wasn’t speaking clearly. What an epic failure of a troll. Do better next time, kid.
I prefer using the word parsimonious or adding the qualifier "all things being equal" to help convey that point. Also while not really Occam's Razor... some people don't get there's nothing inherently wrong with adding assumptions, if it improves the model's accuracy and predictive power.
@@MichaelDeHaven I think I see where you're going with this, but just in case I don't...do you mind explaining why an assumption would improve a model's predictive power?
@@LinkFanatic I'm definitely not an expert on this topic, so please keep that in mind. I would say a "good" assumption generally, but not always, eliminates possibilities. Given that most modern models are expressed in mathematical forms it's actually intuitive that a restriction of the space of possible answers results in a much more accurate, and therefore predictive answer. Of course the assumption could also shift/warp the space and lastly it could lead to a contradiction with another assumption. I actually find the last case interesting as we often advance by letting go of explicit or implicit assumptions. Look at the advances in math when we allowed for noneuclidian geometry.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Issac Asimov b 1920 d 1992 I keep on recalling this 30+ years old quote, this days when listening to American “conservative” points! 🤷🏻♂️
That’s not really true though… There is absolutely not parity between the right and the left when it comes to ignorance, small-mindedness, and definitely not anti-intellectualism. The right is exponentially more prone to bigotry, misogyny, anti-LGBTQ sentiment, accepting conspiracy theories, religious fanaticism, and science denial. (They’re also responsible for literally over 99% of deadly political violence and domestic terrorism.) But the whole “liberals and conservatives are both crazy and irrational!” thing is just not the case. Like, there are some stupid things from some on the left, like some leftists buy into anti-vaxx rhetoric because they confuse it with like anti-corporate sentiment. But right-wingers are far more likely to be anti-science and anti-vaxx. Anyway, I know I went on but it’s a pet peeve of mine when there are suggestions that the right and left are both responsible for dangerous and or irrational positions or agendas or whatever, when it’s literally like 98% the right threatening our future in so many ways. The left tends to be far more rational, pro-science, accepting, and supporting positive positions.
This made me laugh uncontrollably, not because of the "gross" thing the caller said at the end, but because of Eric's innocent, heartfelt reaction of "who?" I laughed till tears were rolling down my face. Eric's sincere puzzlement was priceless: "who?" I am beginning to laugh again just relaying it!
Because they are. The religious population is dying out. The youth aren't coming up with the level of religious ferocity that that older generations are. The youth is also onboard with all the things that most theists hate: Gay people, Transgender people, interracial marriage, mental health providers, self-responsibility, leftist ideologies, etc. The internet age has really poked holes in the barrel of religious nonsense and they are leaking like crazy.
That's just a fact. Reason, logic, great secular interlocutors & debaters, and the INTERNET have done a job in the 21st century to show the silliness and stupidity of believing in magic and superstition. I don't even bother calling it religion anymore. Not one theist debater has "won" a debate on any of the internet shows. Hitchens, Dawkins, Penn, Harris, deGrasse Tyson, et al are stars on the internet, not the pastors and priests. And finally, the Trump years really put the spotlight on American religious people as being dangerous and dishonest. Mike Pence, Jerry Falwell Jr., and many of the Jan6 insurrectionists pushed people on the fence towards the side of reason. We need to keep it up & will as many of these hosts and debaters are still young. Good on em.
@@RavenGlenn Uuuummm . . . I agree with most of what you are saying except about the religious population dying out. Religion is still very active and strong and what appears to be dwindling is homogenized into spiritualistic woo and navel gazing knowledge. Granted, it's less harmful than Religion, but '' faith '' is still living within too many people . . . young and old. Also look at the Christian Nationalism, Q anon, Trump's millions of followers, the Right wing majority in government . . . there is still plenty of battles to get into. The Internet is a helpful platform for reason and rationality, but the overabundance of wacky ideas and self-interest schemes drowns out the positive values. But I hope you're right. One from the Older Generation.
@@mrd3016 I agree, of course, but theists will never give up. Yes, we need to keep fighting and very relax. Theists are not deserving of more tolerance and polite '' discussions ". Theists have never understood consideration and fairness . . . they are not going to wake-up and switch over to reason and logic. The youth is the one chance . . . I've been fighting for 70+ years.
That guy wasn’t even a troll tho (most trolls operate with immature and sarcastic motives)... that idiot caller “Isaac” was neither. He was a stupid, sick, and depraved individual and I cannot fathom who would actually find his disgusting clown act entertaining or funny? Some idiots just have too much free time on their hands I guess
I'll never understand trolls. It's basically just a person being an obnoxious asshole because they can, because they're shielded by the anonymity of the internet. It's kind of like they're a one person mob.
@@deanmartin1111 It's funny too, because they tend to have some weird inner disconnect with what they do, in the form of "well I was just trolling, I wasn't being serious, it was a joke", as if that somehow means that they shouldn't feel bad or be held responsible in any serious way. I mean, you're still *doing* the thing in question. Doing the worst thing you can think of in a given situation and meaning it is externally indistinguishable from doing the same thing and not meaning it. Saying "haha got you" at the end doesn't change anything. Being an asshole is still just being an asshole.
I like Hitchens description of super natural, “is when all the laws of nature are suspended!! So what’s more likely ? That a Virgin gave birth to Jesus or a Jewish minx cheated”
I have to laugh at times because of all the goofy absurdities you two endure for the sake of a potentially better world. I don't know how you two do it, but I'm happy you do. Much love, thanks.
Reminds me of xkcd comic 810 in which one character replaces Captchas with surveys rating comments for how constructive they are, and then requests comments that are later rated by other users. Another character asks, "What will you do when spammers train their bots to make automated constructive and helpful comments?" The answer: "Mission. F--king. accomplished."
Lol so he entirely loses this debate to the point that he has to be childish at the end to pretend to himself that he did at least one thing to "own" the hosts? Great way to show that you are not worth our consideration but a bad way to prove a god haha
@@RetroRockGamer That's... even more pathetic lol. Why not just start with it instead of first demonstrating your lack of intellect? Guy was just dumb all around I guess haha
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 We have no idea how many "friends" he has or doesn't have. It seems to be a comfort to you to think he is so lacking in the friendship department. He might have more friends than you. Imagine that.
Eric - though I have listened to/watched you many times in the past, I never really noticed what a rich, deep, sonorous voice you have, until today when I happened to turn away from my screen. You should have considered a career as an announcer. It's truly amazing! Also - very weird call.
@@craigcorson3036 He probably meant that if you're going to be masterbating to the sound of Eric's voice, you might want to not tell everyone you're doing that.
There is a book called Barriers to Science . It explores the the frontiers of science that will be difficult to crack. Those areas are just the latest barriers. It took hundreds of years to solve Fermat's last therum. We have been cracking barriers since the beginning of time. We will continue to break these barriers, it just takes time work and patience.
Eric: When you say supernatural, I assume you're not talking about the TV show. Me: Carry on, my wayward son There'll be peace when you are done Lay your weary head to rest Don't you cry no more!
@@ZephyrusAsmodeus there was a fake petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, and when I was going to a chemistry specialist highschool we printed it out and tried to collect signatures on it in the school. You would be amazed how many of the future chemists signed that petition.
@Béla Kun Thats where I first heard of it too lol was circulating the internet a while back, I'm no chemist, but I at least know the basics of how chemical names work, found it hilarious
@@ZephyrusAsmodeus You also need to watch out for hydroxic acid. It's one of the most powerful solvents known to science. Whole mountain ranges have been worn away by it.
As if you atheistic types are intellectuals. You all have tiny brains. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@justadude7752 no, I gave correct titles. Just look how you totally ignored the science I gave and your tiny brain was hoping it wouldn't be noticed because you can't even deal with BASIC science. Well, it was noticed and you ARE a great example of atheistic types, just empty.
The fact that "Isaac" thought that bizarre, unfunny bullshit would be a clever thing to do tells you everything you need to know about his character. I really hope he's not a grown ass adult because it's a bad sign for the future of our country.
What is "beyond the realms of science." Can he name ANY object, force of agency that exists in this world that lacks scientifically verifiable evidence that can be counted, weighed, measured, predicted, replicated, observed or demonstrated?
“Consciousness is supernatural” For all animals or just humans? I have yet to hear a comprehensible definition for supernatural. Good call until the end.
This is the dude that had to get the last word that one time and laughed maniacally before he went silent and hung up, and another time he rushed to fit in some bullshit and ended with "I win" and hung up... He's got some serious issues, that is beyond 'trolling'
that young man has issues...seriously. Not trying to peg him down or anything but if you go through such a timeframe only to drop such a line at the very end it speaks of a critical social condition or an unhealthy obsession. Either way I m glad I dont know people like him (and if I would I d stop seeing them)
It seems (to me at least), that supernatural is commonly used to mean: appears to defy the natural laws, or exists in an unknown way. A soul is an example of supernatural. If it exists, it defy's the known natural laws.
Which still is incoherent, because "natural laws" are not actual things that exist, they are just descriptions that we have established via observation, and are revised when previously unknown information arises
@@asagoldsmith3328 “…still incoherent…” True enough though popular usage rarely indicates this relative subtlety. Of course, too many lay folks would philosophers think too much, so….
I don't know if *GROSS* is the right word.....how about *embarrassingly pathetic; rude; infantile; indicative of someone who will never mature past age 11*
Clueless you misses other clueless people....how sweet. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
Show how grown up you are and do tell how you got around BASIC science. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2blockSimple issues you have skirted to try and dumbdown someone's argument....and mine comes from a Phd in Applied Physics. Please define what you mean as natural and what you define as supernatural versus what others define them as.....now show evidence that your definition is absolutely 100% correct.....and dictionary definition does not matter as that only states what a word is defined as today (reason they are revised regularly). With the advent of quatum physics and its 'understanding' over the past 100 years, including the whole multiverse theories, what you stated is not being challenged directly but redefined. A lot more refer to matter than energy, because it is now believed that 2 elements in stasis ie no energy registered can impact each other and generate energy. Obviously this already can be seen with chemical reactions, but this is at the sub atomic levels. The other part of your argument works on the finite theory, which is not excepted by all physicist especially not Quantum physicist or people such as Stephen Hawkins. The premise is that there is only so much energy in existance, therefore if the universe is expanding then the amount of energy has to be stretched further and normally use the effect of atmospherics on a ballon as a very simple example. Though the premise of the argument of energy cannot be created or destroyed may be correct, with our understanding today, it certainly can be altered. Example a sun is known to be highly compressed energy, and if that sun goes supernova then the energy not just changes but all that energy is released but no longer under magnitudal force compression....so even now we have huge amounts of energy under sever compression that once released would spread across the universe. This does not even touch on anti-matter and the theorised energy that is contained or the impact of matter on anti-matter and the reverse and whether this would actual create energy. So on this basis yes your stating of some of the laws of physics from an elementary stand point are correct but as you glossed over some other key points that follow on from them then your argument is not quantified. So you after you used the laws of physics and the nature of energy to dumbdown someone else you now effectively state that energy was created by a supernatural force(and whether you call it god or something else is irrelevant). Please evidence the existance of this being, also as energy is part of nature please explain how it is able to create something in the physical/natural world unless it is formed from something that can exist in the natural world.
@@2fast2block "The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed" No it doesn't. You're confusing the first law with the law of conservation of energy, and even then, you're misinterpreting it. More reading required.
@@rabid_si you can look it up but you can't read or think anyway....---"The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another; essentially, it is a statement of the conservation of energy."---
Isaac really screwed up at the end there. He had it in the bag to stay on good terms with Eric and Vi, but then he got really nasty during those last few seconds.
Isaac...congratulations..your Bizarre call, has probably made more atheists than you could imagine..you are a prize example of everything that is bad about religion...🎖wear this with pride..
having your beliefs questioned produces the same chemicals as physical pain it hurts and people respond emotionaly usualy with anger, thats why so few can develop and mature
By the way "He" knows the numbers of hairs on our heads. He has a plan for each of us. This is also free will? Interesting how stupid the people are who wrote these holy books.
Science and common sense shows how tiny your brain is. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@TallSilentGuy ok, here's you that somehow thought this evidence showed what I gave is not correct... "Bald assertion FAIL:" Well then go ahead and embarrass yourself.
@@2fast2block Well there's the fact that you take for granted that the universe has always been changing the same way it is now, which is not a given. Or are you too proud to accept that possibility?
@@CodeLife_12 OK, you have no idea what laws are about...Laws of nature pertain to nature. Laws of nature exist prior to, and independent of, their discovery and formulation. Laws of nature can always be successfully applied to unknown situations. Laws of nature know no exceptions. Laws of nature are unchanging in time. Laws of nature can tell us whether a process being contemplated is even possible or not. Laws of nature show 100% certain things, like creation, can't happen naturally, we have only one choice left, it had to be supernatural. Now, those that refuse to accept that clear evidence will ignore it still believe naturally is the 100% winner with NO evidence that can be. Anyone who ignores well-established science is irrational. You can’t reason with irrational people. AGAIN:--Laws of nature exist prior to, and independent of, their discovery and formulation. Laws of nature can always be successfully applied to unknown situations.--Laws of nature know no exceptions.--Laws of nature are unchanging in time.-- Laws of nature can tell us whether a process being contemplated is even possible or not.
A coward eventually showing his colours. Not because he can, not because he wants to but because he has to; anything else would be against the nature of his cowardice.
Hey, clueless being, how can we get anything in the natural realm? The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
Why lower yourself issac to that at the end. Childish and absolutely pathetic! What people get out of doing things like that is something I can not fathom at all.
I just wanna know.. why I guess. Like, if this show was held to a standard where they weren't allowed to curse or have wierd sex noises played or else they'd be taken off the air, maybe I'd understand why they'd troll them like that but.. like, they don't. It just comes off as strange and juvenile instead.
And how did we get anything in the natural realm, you tiny brain? The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@2fast2block It is clear you are making unsupported assertions, just like any other religious superstitionist. If you have any real evidence for that nonsense, you should share it
@2fast2block LOL. Right to insults, god-boy? That's a good sign you have nothing but unsupported assertions. Try again. Maybe use that big giant brain of yours for something besides keeping your ears separated.
This was so weird. It was an actual honest and respectful conversation and Isaac seemed to really listen and take in what the hosts were saying and then he just fucked it up with ending.
How do you or the hosts show anything but your tiny brains? The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
In cooking, everything “natural” is grown as a plant or animal. If it’s not a white granular powder, and it is an individual uncooked unprocessed ingredient, it is produced by nature in the form you find it. Granulated powders like sugar and salt, baking soda, powder etc have undergone some processing and or chemistry to achieve the state you purchase it in. Wheat flour should not be white in its natural state even if it is not whole wheat, it should be a yellowy white. Unbleached and bleached wheat flours sometimes have extra vitamins/nutrients added to them to improve the nutritional value of baked goods. Food with the least amount of processing and therefore the most natural state are generally healthier for your body because your body has evolved to break down food as we discover it in nature, nutrients encapsulated in plant fibre which your digestive track must break down, for instance, so when our bodies don’t have to work to get at the nutrients and calories of food, we get too much of the value of food too quickly and as a result we store it as fat and our sugar levels spike. This is why learning to cook your food from scratch is seen as healthier than eating restaurant food or pre prepared foods.
That’s exactly right. And I would also mention some people have food intolerances because we are not evolved enough to handle processed foods. This is my opinion. I would love to hear if anyone else has any input.
Sugar is just cooked till granulated, you can't eat sugar cane fiber anyway. Salt isn't really processed, the non-salt minerals are removed so you know you're just eating salt.
How sweet, clueless you misses other clueless beings. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
What? It was a genuinely good video But also, I'm not sure whose case this guy thinks he "hurt" by ending the call with....whatever that was I'm glad I could witness his completely unnecessary nose-dive
How does one come to learn anything about "the supernatural"? How is it possible to decide what is supernatural? Isaac believes a lot of things. Cool, maybe.
If a person uses the word combinations "you know" and "I guess" it tells me that there is something lacking in their rational and reasonable faculties.
The beginning of this video is a reason I don’t describe myself as a naturalist. I can think of ways of defining natural where I could still shove certain definitions of gods and souls into naturalism.
Yes I am also interested how you can correlate the two. If gods and souls were proven to exist they would naturally be labelled as natural but they haven't so they are supernatural.
On the resurrection and other miracles: "Is it more probable that nature should go out of her course, or that a man should tell a lie?" -- Thomas Paine, Age of Reason. (edit: or that a Jewish girl told a lie?)
"The other dimension" is such a ridiculous concept. A dimension is just a factor that can be measured, such as a direction. Also, consciousness is clearly a product of the brain. It's very natural
I'm at 9:33 and until now this is one of the better calls, he seems so nice... wrong, but open to stuff Edit: 13:38, still okay... I'm so anxious right now Edit 2: 16:01 here it comes Edit 3: okay, that was not worth the anxiety 😂
We DO know. Do you? The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block There is your first faulty information: “It can’t happen naturally”. You failed science at the very basic level. Don’t aim for Nobel, yet, you need elementary science classes, first. …go claim the “We DO know” thing with the real authorities. Fling that thing around here and YOU are just an internet troll.
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 how your tiny brain actually thought this somehow proved the laws I gave are not correct.... "cut and paste superstitious nonsense." You sure are clueless.
How can we tell the difference between an honest theist who will actually talk about their beliefs and a troll? They are FAR too similar to each other to be able to tell the difference for certain.
Imagine calling in, waiting on hold, talking to a call screener, waiting on hold, listening to the show through the phone you are holding up, forcing your way through a conversation, lose said conversation, and then when you FINALLY get to the troll part (the entire reason you spent all this time and effort), you are too excited to talk into the phone correctly and enunciate your words well enough to be intelligible. Astounding.
Astounding and Supernatural
I guess, a typical theist nut?
So sad, he seemed genuine.
The anticipation was making him so nervous. You can tell by his voice and the way he wasn’t speaking clearly. What an epic failure of a troll. Do better next time, kid.
Everybody needs a hobby I guess....
Occam's razor isn't about the simpler answer, but the one with the least number of assumptions
Exactly. So many people get that wrong.
I prefer using the word parsimonious or adding the qualifier "all things being equal" to help convey that point. Also while not really Occam's Razor... some people don't get there's nothing inherently wrong with adding assumptions, if it improves the model's accuracy and predictive power.
@@MichaelDeHaven I think I see where you're going with this, but just in case I don't...do you mind explaining why an assumption would improve a model's predictive power?
@@LinkFanatic I'm definitely not an expert on this topic, so please keep that in mind. I would say a "good" assumption generally, but not always, eliminates possibilities. Given that most modern models are expressed in mathematical forms it's actually intuitive that a restriction of the space of possible answers results in a much more accurate, and therefore predictive answer.
Of course the assumption could also shift/warp the space and lastly it could lead to a contradiction with another assumption. I actually find the last case interesting as we often advance by letting go of explicit or implicit assumptions. Look at the advances in math when we allowed for noneuclidian geometry.
Yep....a distinction with a difference.
"To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained."
-- Fourth Doctor
Tom Baker was the Doctor of my youth, and David Tenant is my fave of the new
or,
'the most miraculous thing about the universe is that nothing miraculous ever happens. would you like a jelly baby ?'
Vi and Eric are the cutest! "Was that a troll? What was that?" The look they share there is all the adorbs 😍
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Issac Asimov b 1920 d 1992 I keep on recalling this 30+ years old quote, this days when listening to American “conservative” points! 🤷🏻♂️
And so many contemporary "liberal" points. All sides of the political spectrum foster and pursue ignorance.
@@twcnz3570 "And so many contemporary "liberal" points"
I don't see the relevance to the OP.
What points?
Very very true
That’s not really true though… There is absolutely not parity between the right and the left when it comes to ignorance, small-mindedness, and definitely not anti-intellectualism.
The right is exponentially more prone to bigotry, misogyny, anti-LGBTQ sentiment, accepting conspiracy theories, religious fanaticism, and science denial.
(They’re also responsible for literally over 99% of deadly political violence and domestic terrorism.)
But the whole “liberals and conservatives are both crazy and irrational!” thing is just not the case. Like, there are some stupid things from some on the left, like some leftists buy into anti-vaxx rhetoric because they confuse it with like anti-corporate sentiment. But right-wingers are far more likely to be anti-science and anti-vaxx.
Anyway, I know I went on but it’s a pet peeve of mine when there are suggestions that the right and left are both responsible for dangerous and or irrational positions or agendas or whatever, when it’s literally like 98% the right threatening our future in so many ways. The left tends to be far more rational, pro-science, accepting, and supporting positive positions.
Amen!😂
"I hope the animal we heard a second ago is O.K." whew, I thought I was the only one that mistook it for a dog barking at first.
This made me laugh uncontrollably, not because of the "gross" thing the caller said at the end, but because of Eric's innocent, heartfelt reaction of "who?" I laughed till tears were rolling down my face. Eric's sincere puzzlement was priceless: "who?" I am beginning to laugh again just relaying it!
Theists seem to be getting dumber and more desperate.
Because they are. The religious population is dying out. The youth aren't coming up with the level of religious ferocity that that older generations are. The youth is also onboard with all the things that most theists hate: Gay people, Transgender people, interracial marriage, mental health providers, self-responsibility, leftist ideologies, etc.
The internet age has really poked holes in the barrel of religious nonsense and they are leaking like crazy.
That's just a fact. Reason, logic, great secular interlocutors & debaters, and the INTERNET have done a job in the 21st century to show the silliness and stupidity of believing in magic and superstition. I don't even bother calling it religion anymore. Not one theist debater has "won" a debate on any of the internet shows. Hitchens, Dawkins, Penn, Harris, deGrasse Tyson, et al are stars on the internet, not the pastors and priests.
And finally, the Trump years really put the spotlight on American religious people as being dangerous and dishonest. Mike Pence, Jerry Falwell Jr., and many of the Jan6 insurrectionists pushed people on the fence towards the side of reason. We need to keep it up & will as many of these hosts and debaters are still young. Good on em.
@@RavenGlenn Uuuummm . . . I agree with most of what you are saying except about the religious population dying out. Religion is still very active and strong and what appears to be dwindling is homogenized into spiritualistic woo and navel gazing knowledge. Granted, it's less harmful than Religion, but '' faith '' is still living within too many people . . . young and old. Also look at the Christian Nationalism, Q anon, Trump's millions of followers, the Right wing majority in government . . . there is still plenty of battles to get into.
The Internet is a helpful platform for reason and rationality, but the overabundance of wacky ideas and self-interest schemes drowns out the positive values. But I hope you're right. One from the Older Generation.
@@mrd3016 I agree, of course, but theists will never give up. Yes, we need to keep fighting and very relax. Theists are not deserving of more tolerance and polite '' discussions ". Theists have never understood consideration and fairness . . . they are not going to wake-up and switch over to reason and logic.
The youth is the one chance . . . I've been fighting for 70+ years.
And run the Supreme Court of the US
Define apple.
Theist: Well it's a non-banana.
Now THAT is some dedication! Seventeen minutes of conversation for a 10 second troll opportunity...!
We all have our hobbies I guess.
Isaac, you are going to feel so ashamed of yourself when you look back at this in a couple of years time. You can do better dude.
The sad part is Isaac wont, he will count it as a win.
Doubt it, some people are just like this
Nah. I don't think he could do better at all.
Hopefully, Isaac's next "win" will be licking a power outlet.....
Let's get this comment pinned to the top.
That was bizarre. Trolls are some of the worst kinds of people.
That guy wasn’t even a troll tho (most trolls operate with immature and sarcastic motives)... that idiot caller “Isaac” was neither. He was a stupid, sick, and depraved individual and I cannot fathom who would actually find his disgusting clown act entertaining or funny? Some idiots just have too much free time on their hands I guess
I'll never understand trolls. It's basically just a person being an obnoxious asshole because they can, because they're shielded by the anonymity of the internet. It's kind of like they're a one person mob.
@@deanmartin1111 It's funny too, because they tend to have some weird inner disconnect with what they do, in the form of "well I was just trolling, I wasn't being serious, it was a joke", as if that somehow means that they shouldn't feel bad or be held responsible in any serious way.
I mean, you're still *doing* the thing in question. Doing the worst thing you can think of in a given situation and meaning it is externally indistinguishable from doing the same thing and not meaning it. Saying "haha got you" at the end doesn't change anything. Being an asshole is still just being an asshole.
@@deanmartin1111 And it does nothing but increase distrust in people.
WRONG! trolls are needed for the rest of us to raise our game and lets be honest some people need their skin thickened.
Isaac... You've let yourself down there.
As ever, well done for being super reasonable Eric and Vi.
Kudos on the way you handled the end of this call. I guess dealing with incels with micro-penises is just one of the hazards you'll have to deal with.
Body shaming! 😭
Wow. You guys are so calm and eloquent. 😆 I'll definitely be a subscriber that'll be sticking around to celebrate the 100th video. 💙
I like Hitchens description of super natural, “is when all the laws of nature are suspended!! So what’s more likely ? That a Virgin gave birth to Jesus or a Jewish minx cheated”
Calls like this really make me miss Matt and Tracie. They are so clear and concise, callers like this would be dissected in seconds.
He has called Matt too. He does the same shit on every call in show.
I was waiting for the plot twist, and that's not at all what I expected.
I have to laugh at times because of all the goofy absurdities you two endure for the sake of a potentially better world. I don't know how you two do it, but I'm happy you do. Much love, thanks.
Isaac, you have made a fool of yourself and exposed yourself as a teen bully. Grow up.
Is it still a troll if they had a serious conversation first?? These are the kinds of questions I want answered
I think it counts as being a very dedicated troll
Reminds me of xkcd comic 810 in which one character replaces Captchas with surveys rating comments for how constructive they are, and then requests comments that are later rated by other users. Another character asks, "What will you do when spammers train their bots to make automated constructive and helpful comments?" The answer: "Mission. F--king. accomplished."
Lol so he entirely loses this debate to the point that he has to be childish at the end to pretend to himself that he did at least one thing to "own" the hosts? Great way to show that you are not worth our consideration but a bad way to prove a god haha
I think his plan all along was to have a fake conversation and then do this at the end
@@RetroRockGamer Yep. His friends were ready for it. His only friends.
@@RetroRockGamer That's... even more pathetic lol. Why not just start with it instead of first demonstrating your lack of intellect? Guy was just dumb all around I guess haha
@@colaboytje I'm not sure if anyone like him has friends.
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 We have no idea how many "friends" he has or doesn't have. It seems to be a comfort to you to think he is so lacking in the friendship department. He might have more friends than you. Imagine that.
Supernatural? 😅😂🤣
Yeah!! I'm actually here for the Mumbo Jumbo. This is perfect. Thanks for the laughs 😃
Eric - though I have listened to/watched you many times in the past, I never really noticed what a rich, deep, sonorous voice you have, until today when I happened to turn away from my screen. You should have considered a career as an announcer. It's truly amazing!
Also - very weird call.
Sonorous
@@rrpostalagain Yes?? What about it??
@@craigcorson3036 it’s a word you used
@@rrpostalagain Yes, I am aware of that. What are you saying about it by repeating it? What do you mean?
@@craigcorson3036 He probably meant that if you're going to be masterbating to the sound of Eric's voice, you might want to not tell everyone you're doing that.
"Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn"
True, but a puerile little boy has to grow up to be a man first.
I mean fire is very pretty though. Almost hypnotic. Hey? Who put these matches in my hand?
There is a book called Barriers to Science . It explores the the frontiers of science that will be difficult to crack. Those areas are just the latest barriers. It took hundreds of years to solve Fermat's last therum. We have been cracking barriers since the beginning of time. We will continue to break these barriers, it just takes time work and patience.
Eric: When you say supernatural, I assume you're not talking about the TV show.
Me: Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more!
Pudding!!!
Personally, this is the only Supernatural that I believe in :-)
Ah, yes, the good old Winchester boys ~ "Moose" and "Squirrel".
(5R)-[(1S)-1,2-Dihydroxyethyl]-3,4-dihydroxyfuran-2(5H)-one this is a very long sciency name, but this is absolutely natural, this is vitamin C
I love the classic, dihydrogen monoxide
@@ZephyrusAsmodeus there was a fake petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, and when I was going to a chemistry specialist highschool we printed it out and tried to collect signatures on it in the school. You would be amazed how many of the future chemists signed that petition.
@Béla Kun Thats where I first heard of it too lol was circulating the internet a while back, I'm no chemist, but I at least know the basics of how chemical names work, found it hilarious
@@ZephyrusAsmodeus You also need to watch out for hydroxic acid. It's one of the most powerful solvents known to science. Whole mountain ranges have been worn away by it.
I don't know which I enjoyed more, the epic fail of the caller or Vi's head-sized mug. 😂❤
As if you atheistic types are intellectuals. You all have tiny brains.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block ahh yes, insulting the opposition like a little child. Hmmm yes very much intellectual 💀👌
@@justadude7752 no, I gave correct titles. Just look how you totally ignored the science I gave and your tiny brain was hoping it wouldn't be noticed because you can't even deal with BASIC science. Well, it was noticed and you ARE a great example of atheistic types, just empty.
The fact that "Isaac" thought that bizarre, unfunny bullshit would be a clever thing to do tells you everything you need to know about his character. I really hope he's not a grown ass adult because it's a bad sign for the future of our country.
You know you're in trouble when someone says thank you for sharing that
He was so reasonable and seemed so rational until right at the end. Clearly, his full of that Christian Love (TM) I've heard so much about
What is "beyond the realms of science." Can he name ANY object, force of agency that exists in this world that lacks scientifically verifiable evidence that can be counted, weighed, measured, predicted, replicated, observed or demonstrated?
“Consciousness is supernatural”
For all animals or just humans?
I have yet to hear a comprehensible definition for supernatural. Good call until the end.
Isn't consciousness something emergent from the functions of the brain..same like love..fear.. empathy..
@@shookreeseeree4 We can go as far as to assume it is
@@JerryMetal but it can't be because I'm special and I don't want to believe that!
This is the dude that had to get the last word that one time and laughed maniacally before he went silent and hung up, and another time he rushed to fit in some bullshit and ended with "I win" and hung up...
He's got some serious issues, that is beyond 'trolling'
thank you guys.
this is why you never go easy on morons. treat stupidity with the brutal and cruel disdain it deserves
that young man has issues...seriously. Not trying to peg him down or anything but if you go through such a timeframe only to drop such a line at the very end it speaks of a critical social condition or an unhealthy obsession. Either way I m glad I dont know people like him (and if I would I d stop seeing them)
Isaac is not dealing well with the onset of adolescence.
He's supernaturally immature.
'not trying to peg him down......" - perfect thing to say to the disrespectful and time-wasting caller.
It seems (to me at least), that supernatural is commonly used to mean: appears to defy the natural laws, or exists in an unknown way. A soul is an example of supernatural. If it exists, it defy's the known natural laws.
Which still is incoherent, because "natural laws" are not actual things that exist, they are just descriptions that we have established via observation, and are revised when previously unknown information arises
@@asagoldsmith3328 “…still incoherent…” True enough though popular usage rarely indicates this relative subtlety. Of course, too many lay folks would philosophers think too much, so….
"I am a believer" - so am I. I believe that most believers believe that their faith is the only correct one. And I believe that this is quite bizarre.
I realised he was up to something when he went from Noah to acceptance of Occams Razor.
I don't know if *GROSS* is the right word.....how about *embarrassingly pathetic; rude; infantile; indicative of someone who will never mature past age 11*
Gross is the umbrella term for all those
An argument from personal incredulity.
Sure do miss you two. ❤
Clueless you misses other clueless people....how sweet.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell
I would like to see the two of you back on-line.
That was fucking WILD holy shit.
Grown adults discussing supernatural like it's real.
Just mind blowing.
Grow up
Show how grown up you are and do tell how you got around BASIC science.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block LOL. Y9u seriously cut and pasted that silly nonsense everywhere. You have a lot of idle time, I guess.
@@2fast2blockSimple issues you have skirted to try and dumbdown someone's argument....and mine comes from a Phd in Applied Physics. Please define what you mean as natural and what you define as supernatural versus what others define them as.....now show evidence that your definition is absolutely 100% correct.....and dictionary definition does not matter as that only states what a word is defined as today (reason they are revised regularly). With the advent of quatum physics and its 'understanding' over the past 100 years, including the whole multiverse theories, what you stated is not being challenged directly but redefined.
A lot more refer to matter than energy, because it is now believed that 2 elements in stasis ie no energy registered can impact each other and generate energy. Obviously this already can be seen with chemical reactions, but this is at the sub atomic levels.
The other part of your argument works on the finite theory, which is not excepted by all physicist especially not Quantum physicist or people such as Stephen Hawkins. The premise is that there is only so much energy in existance, therefore if the universe is expanding then the amount of energy has to be stretched further and normally use the effect of atmospherics on a ballon as a very simple example.
Though the premise of the argument of energy cannot be created or destroyed may be correct, with our understanding today, it certainly can be altered. Example a sun is known to be highly compressed energy, and if that sun goes supernova then the energy not just changes but all that energy is released but no longer under magnitudal force compression....so even now we have huge amounts of energy under sever compression that once released would spread across the universe.
This does not even touch on anti-matter and the theorised energy that is contained or the impact of matter on anti-matter and the reverse and whether this would actual create energy.
So on this basis yes your stating of some of the laws of physics from an elementary stand point are correct but as you glossed over some other key points that follow on from them then your argument is not quantified.
So you after you used the laws of physics and the nature of energy to dumbdown someone else you now effectively state that energy was created by a supernatural force(and whether you call it god or something else is irrelevant). Please evidence the existance of this being, also as energy is part of nature please explain how it is able to create something in the physical/natural world unless it is formed from something that can exist in the natural world.
@@2fast2block "The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed"
No it doesn't. You're confusing the first law with the law of conservation of energy, and even then, you're misinterpreting it. More reading required.
@@rabid_si you can look it up but you can't read or think anyway....---"The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another; essentially, it is a statement of the conservation of energy."---
Isaac really screwed up at the end there. He had it in the bag to stay on good terms with Eric and Vi, but then he got really nasty during those last few seconds.
Not gross at all. Just a kid being an edge lord.
VI’s coffee cup made me do a double take
The largest cup I ever saw.
That was SO weird! What in the world?😮
You guys are way too nice.
I don't understand the point in going through all of that just to end on such a stupid note.
To be fair neither did they, your gonna get the crazies sadly.
Some people are the kind of people that eat Tide pods.
Other people are the kind of people you WISH ate Tide pods.
I couldn't imagine the conversation going that way at the end. That guy needs to seek professional help.
Isaac...congratulations..your Bizarre call, has probably made more atheists
than you could imagine..you are a prize example of everything that is bad about religion...🎖wear this with pride..
having your beliefs questioned produces the same chemicals as physical pain it hurts and people respond emotionaly usualy with anger, thats why so few can develop and mature
So Isaac's free will is subject to the supernatural?
Sure. We all have the free will to believe. Or burn in a lake of fire for eternity. Because he loves us. Isn't that special?
By the way "He" knows the numbers of hairs on our heads. He has a plan for each of us. This is also free will? Interesting how stupid the people are who wrote these holy books.
Consiousness exists in the physical world, so how is it not natural...derp
Exactly. I think the caller means non-physical instead of super natural. That's how I would have described it when I was a lunatic theist.
Some people believe that consciousness exists in a separate world (platonic mind-body dualists).
@@freedomfighter763 some people are ridiculous and believe nonsense just because of their own ignorance
Can consciousness exist without a brain? I'm not some super intelligent person, but to me, I don't think it can.
@@abc456f ..jelly fish do not have brains..do they have consciousness?..they interact with the surroundings thru their sensory organs..
Science asks questions that might never be answered; religion preaches answers that must never be questioned.
Science and common sense shows how tiny your brain is.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block "It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally..."
Bald assertion FAIL: ✅
@@TallSilentGuy ok, here's you that somehow thought this evidence showed what I gave is not correct...
"Bald assertion FAIL:"
Well then go ahead and embarrass yourself.
@@2fast2block Well there's the fact that you take for granted that the universe has always been changing the same way it is now, which is not a given. Or are you too proud to accept that possibility?
@@CodeLife_12 OK, you have no idea what laws are about...Laws of nature pertain to nature. Laws of nature exist prior to, and independent of, their discovery and formulation. Laws of nature can always be successfully applied to unknown situations. Laws of nature know no exceptions. Laws of nature are unchanging in time. Laws of nature can tell us whether a process being contemplated is even possible or not. Laws of nature show 100% certain things, like creation, can't happen naturally, we have only one choice left, it had to be supernatural. Now, those that refuse to accept that clear evidence will ignore it still believe naturally is the 100% winner with NO evidence that can be. Anyone who ignores well-established science is irrational. You can’t reason with irrational people.
AGAIN:--Laws of nature exist prior to, and independent of, their discovery and formulation. Laws of nature can always be successfully applied to unknown situations.--Laws of nature know no exceptions.--Laws of nature are unchanging in time.-- Laws of nature can tell us whether a process being contemplated is even possible or not.
I'm utterly baffled.
A coward eventually showing his colours. Not because he can, not because he wants to but because he has to; anything else would be against the nature of his cowardice.
Hey, clueless being, how can we get anything in the natural realm?
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
10:22 I would say the size of that mug is definitely supernatural.
Isn't it just as valid to say 'unnatural' than it is to say 'supernatural'? Anything that is not natural is unnatural, right?
Well, that's what happens when your entire troll hinges on assuming the people you're trolling are sex negative or sex repulsed, I guess. XD
Why lower yourself issac to that at the end. Childish and absolutely pathetic! What people get out of doing things like that is something I can not fathom at all.
Sexual thrill maybe
@@hail_satan He probably just needs to get laid. Incels do seem to be irrational at the best of times.
I just wanna know.. why I guess. Like, if this show was held to a standard where they weren't allowed to curse or have wierd sex noises played or else they'd be taken off the air, maybe I'd understand why they'd troll them like that but.. like, they don't. It just comes off as strange and juvenile instead.
We are part of nature, we have consciousness, therefore consciousness is natural.
And how did we get anything in the natural realm, you tiny brain?
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@2fast2block It is clear you are making unsupported assertions, just like any other religious superstitionist. If you have any real evidence for that nonsense, you should share it
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 no, those laws are well-established. And you showed your tiny brain is too.
@2fast2block LOL. Right to insults, god-boy? That's a good sign you have nothing but unsupported assertions. Try again. Maybe use that big giant brain of yours for something besides keeping your ears separated.
@@2fast2block Again, bald assertion FAIL: ✅
This was so weird. It was an actual honest and respectful conversation and Isaac seemed to really listen and take in what the hosts were saying and then he just fucked it up with ending.
How do you or the hosts show anything but your tiny brains?
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
Hahaa! They thought that was an animal. Haha. Well, I guess technically it was.
In cooking, everything “natural” is grown as a plant or animal. If it’s not a white granular powder, and it is an individual uncooked unprocessed ingredient, it is produced by nature in the form you find it.
Granulated powders like sugar and salt, baking soda, powder etc have undergone some processing and or chemistry to achieve the state you purchase it in.
Wheat flour should not be white in its natural state even if it is not whole wheat, it should be a yellowy white. Unbleached and bleached wheat flours sometimes have extra vitamins/nutrients added to them to improve the nutritional value of baked goods.
Food with the least amount of processing and therefore the most natural state are generally healthier for your body because your body has evolved to break down food as we discover it in nature, nutrients encapsulated in plant fibre which your digestive track must break down, for instance, so when our bodies don’t have to work to get at the nutrients and calories of food, we get too much of the value of food too quickly and as a result we store it as fat and our sugar levels spike. This is why learning to cook your food from scratch is seen as healthier than eating restaurant food or pre prepared foods.
Absolutely! 👍
That’s exactly right. And I would also mention some people have food intolerances because we are not evolved enough to handle processed foods. This is my opinion. I would love to hear if anyone else has any input.
Sugar is just cooked till granulated, you can't eat sugar cane fiber anyway. Salt isn't really processed, the non-salt minerals are removed so you know you're just eating salt.
Isaac sounds like the definition of a lost mind.
What's wrong with people now days honestly. I don't get people sometimes.
Still miss these two.
How sweet, clueless you misses other clueless beings.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
I would’ve just not uploaded this clip
Okay but this is way funnier. I'm glad Eric & Vi were able to get some use out of this in the end.
What?
It was a genuinely good video
But also, I'm not sure whose case this guy thinks he "hurt" by ending the call with....whatever that was
I'm glad I could witness his completely unnecessary nose-dive
I wish I could grow a Johnny Depp Stache and goatee like Eric has.
Yea bruh same haha
Where did that come from ?
Every time I hear the guy whose voice sounds like famous RUclipsr NileRed, I know it’s the BaBa Booey troll
What a muppet.
Isaac has not evolved to Muppet yet, he is still at scock-puppet.
Maybe they should have a delay in the broadcast...
I am 100% sure "Isaac" is reading these comments (with one hand)
To Isaac:
Was....this a win? Did you win?
How does one come to learn anything about "the supernatural"? How is it possible to decide what is supernatural?
Isaac believes a lot of things. Cool, maybe.
So man yweirdos out there. Wow how BASIC.
A different dimension would still be natural
Exactly , why is something we do not know of or fully understand of yet have to be labelled supernatural???
If a person uses the word combinations "you know" and "I guess" it tells me that there is something lacking in their rational and reasonable faculties.
I want Vi's coffee mug!!!
I really want to call in now
The beginning of this video is a reason I don’t describe myself as a naturalist. I can think of ways of defining natural where I could still shove certain definitions of gods and souls into naturalism.
How so??
Yes I am also interested how you can correlate the two. If gods and souls were proven to exist they would naturally be labelled as natural but they haven't so they are supernatural.
LOL Damn I miss Tracie Harris, she'd have stopped this shit in it's tracks JUST like ya'll did with that muddy "not natural" bullshit.
On the resurrection and other miracles: "Is it more probable that nature should go out of her course, or that a man should tell a lie?" -- Thomas Paine, Age of Reason. (edit: or that a Jewish girl told a lie?)
"The other dimension" is such a ridiculous concept. A dimension is just a factor that can be measured, such as a direction.
Also, consciousness is clearly a product of the brain. It's very natural
I'm at 9:33 and until now this is one of the better calls, he seems so nice... wrong, but open to stuff
Edit: 13:38, still okay... I'm so anxious right now
Edit 2: 16:01 here it comes
Edit 3: okay, that was not worth the anxiety 😂
That was confusing!
Isaac, the future is not bright for you.
For most people abstractions can be super natural.
So the call was about, "I don't know so I will call something supernatural".
...it's still that.
We DO know. Do you?
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block There is your first faulty information: “It can’t happen naturally”.
You failed science at the very basic level. Don’t aim for Nobel, yet, you need elementary science classes, first.
…go claim the “We DO know” thing with the real authorities. Fling that thing around here and YOU are just an internet troll.
@@2fast2block cut and paste superstitious nonsense.
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 how your tiny brain actually thought this somehow proved the laws I gave are not correct....
"cut and paste superstitious nonsense."
You sure are clueless.
I’m going to assume Isaac didn’t call back in
Credit God with the origin of our consciousness to back your way into a proof of Gods existence. It’s the god of the gaps argument in disguise.
How can we tell the difference between an honest theist who will actually talk about their beliefs and a troll? They are FAR too similar to each other to be able to tell the difference for certain.
People like this make me ashamed to be from Michigan.
Yes, I agree fellow Michigander.
I feel the same way when I hear Californians lol.
They are in every state, but I feel you.