How not DOPED Jonas Vingegaard won Cleanest Tour in Cycling History
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2022
- Jonas Vingegaard as he is known to his fans the fisherman rival of Tadej Pogacar is one of the most controversial cyclists in history. He used epic methods to win 2022 Tour de France against Tadej Pogacar and been the crush of the people with a legendary performance in Col du Granon against Tadej Pogacar and Geraint Thomas. This is the story of the super climber Jonas Vingegaard last days. Want to know what happened? We'll know more cycling tops, from road cycling news, cycling stories, British cycling, road cycling and More road cycling transfer news today on Cycling in 1 Minute. #Cycling, #Sports, #Doping
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It was the fastest, yes. But look at the fastest climbs of this Tour and compare it to the 90´s. Riis beat Jonas by over 2 minutes. In fact Jonas´ time was only the 18. fastest ever.
Vingegaard was 2 min slower than Pantani on alpedhuez
And 2 minnuttes slower on Madeleine
@@brugttoiletpapir correct
Lol no
Cmon, Roglic left the tour without explanation!? He has 2 vertebras broken. Did you even watch through the whole Tour?
"The 2005 edition of the TDF where Dr Ferrari faced off against Dr. Fuentes." Gold!
Lol, Ferrari vs Fuentes😂
And both lost at the end....
I like how you think Roglic didn't want to work for Jonas, when he had broken 2 vertebrae in stage 5, still managed to help Jonas up until 15 stage.
2 broken vertebrae and you think he soldiered through 10 stages of a grand tour?
😂😂😂
What most people seem to forget is that the total speed ridden in a tour has absolutely NOTHING to do with the level of individual riders (or even the whole bunch), but everything to do with tactics.
The reason that this TDF was so fast is that almost every stage (except the 2, 3 and one more) they were going suuuper hard. Normally there are some stages with fast avg. pace and many with super low average pace where the bunch is just chilling and a breakaway sails away... This did not happen at all this year, THAT'S the reason - quite obvious really.
Even on stages where a breakaway won like stage 13, the peloton was chasing super hard the whole day, brining the average speed way up.
If you wanna look at doping, take a look at Hautacam, where they were slower than Armstring and significantly slower than Riis (2 minutes). And this is DISPITE Riis doing way more stop-and-go, having worse nutrition, worse training, worse equipment (aero not a huge deal but not nothing - plus less rolling resistance on new tires) - yet somehow he was 2 minutes faster.... Seems like maybe this Riis guy was on EPO maybe?
Hautacam was the only major climb in 1996 and we know Riis was doped to the gills (M.60). Jonas only road 2 minutes slower after 2 huge climbs and in way hotter conditions and barely looked like making an effort. I completely agree with your first point but sorry to break it to ya you can't win a tour clean
@@franciscloutier7736 Vingegaard weigh less than Riis, which is another advantage Vingegaard has on Riis. It also may explain why Vingegaard look less exhausted, because he had been carrying less weight the whole day.
your in denial buddy, if they are riding faster every day that just shows even more how much they are doping, they are recovering so much better thats what doping really does, allows you to have no bad days..... wake up buddy there are doping just as much as the armstrong days if not more
@@Steve-jo3cl buddy... If you know a little bit about cycling you'd know that the WAY the stages are ridden (for flat stages especially) is what determined the average speed of that stage. You really think they all going as fast as they can always like some sort of big time trial all the way through? Think again buddy, and learn some cycling theory
Bro Riis won in Hautacam stage 11, one of the first mountain stages at that time. Vingegaard won stage 19, after 20 days of intense racing and several climbs on the legs. No doubt on Riis EPO overperformance, but you gotta understand that the rythm during last TdF allows to cast some doubt on the cleanliness of the whole event...
It's kinda sad that people focus on cycling with their doping accusations. People are juiced to the gills in every sport where money is involved. Especially football, basketball and so on. Just look at the college to NBA transformation of the atheletes. It's insane.
We had other channel in we talk about football (and soon other sports) and doping
@Paulo Coelho click the channel and check the channel tab. Apparently there are 4 videos on football...
Cycling is just way worse than for example football/soccer.
Sure, you can make Messi a bit faster and give him more Stamina, but doping wont give you a better technique which is 10x more important in football, than cycling. For cycling, you mainly need two things:
1. Watts/Kg
2. Stamina
Both is pretty easy to push up with doping.
@@empirelee7676 you're delusional if you think that. First of all in cycling you need technique as well. Riding with 50k an hour in a bunch or decending with over 100 kmh is hard. Bike handling over all ist really important.
In football technique is dependent on your body. If messi wasnt fast he would be garbage. You need to be agile and fast. A stronger body always gives you serious advantages. Look at Goretzka transformation for example. Also football players also take serious amounts of painkillers. Just look at the amount of football players who get heart attacks "out of nowhere" ...insane.
Um I don’t think the body transformation is because they’re juiced… it’s more likely because as people grow older the body begins to fill out, and most importantly pro teams spend millions and millions on the best equipment and trainers to help the athletes max their potential. Something they don’t have as a teen in college
Compared to your other videos where you criticize known dopers, this time it's pure speculation.
Yes, it was the fastest TdF ever, but it was also the second shortest ever, and as Sean Kelly pointed out: Since they began with live tranmissions from the very start, the racing in the peoloton started from Km Zero. In Kelly's days, the peloton rolled along for the first couple of hours. Then, when they heard the chopper, they knew the TV transmission had started and then they raced full gas for the rest of the day, but not for the first maybe 50-60 Km. And the stages are shorter now, too, in fact as a consequence of riders doping to survive the 250 Km mountain stages of the past. Besides, there was no significant wind to slow them down this year, and it only rained in Copenhagen, so it was full gas on every descent.
I'm not saying that illegal substances wasn't used for sure. But as long as riders test negative in and out of competition, they are allowed to be considered innocent.
And please remember how often the pro peloton is tested compared to other sports, and how strict the rules are for cyclists (no injections, not even a glucose transfusion). Nadal got a daily painkiller injection in his left foot during the French Open tournament this year. A pro rider would have been banned from racing for a week if he or she had received the same treatment.
That's the problem with today cycling. All we could do is with the past knowing the present.
This is an exception for this amazing tdf
Exactly, you have to assume innocent until proven guilty.
Otherwise don't bother watching cycling. You will simply drown in your own cynicism at every single race result and individual performance, because how can they possibly 'prove' they are clean other than participating in the doping protocols?
@@cyclingstories Exactly. And a little P.S. As many of the other viewers, I too love your narrative and the obvious research you have been through for every story. And I don't mind you slaughtering my compatriot Dane dopers; they deserve every lash for thwating the sport I love so much.
Bonus info: At the end of his career, Rolf Sørensen also used doping. At that time a few Danish Pro riders had been busted or admitted to doping. So one guy just for fun came up with the phrase "Rolf er ren!" which has two different meanings, the first meaning "Rolf is clean!", and the other meaning "Rolf is a reindeer!", playing on the names "Rolf" and "Rudolf". That phrase caught on and then stung Rolf Sørensen so hard he had to confess. He also became an alcoholic in his post career which cost him his marriage.
When Michael Rasmussen was thrown out of the 2007 TdF just two days before Paris, it was due to lies about whereabouts and missed tests. As I recall, it was two Danish and two international whereabouts violations. The rule was (is) three violations and you are out, but as such national violations only count for national races, not the international.
Rumours later had it that the former direktor of the Danish Cycle Union (DCU), Jesper Worre, a rider who himself had tested positive for amineptine in February 1992, resulting in a fine and a three month ban, had snitched to the Rabobank management about Rasmussens two Danish missed tests, blowing on the fire. The rumour further speculated Worre did it because Rasmussen had slept with Worre's wife at a party. However, these rumours were never verified, so handle with care.
I was never a Pro rider, but I was a full time (mostly 35 hours per week) bike messenger for 5-6 years and did and tried things that no Pro rider would consider doing, like 10-hour shifts on busy days or overtime in snow storms. It wasn't always fun, but the job had to be done. But still it was the best job I ever had.
Bike messenger is the easiest job to start but the hardest job to quit. Period.
@@cyclingstories Its boring when all know the countries you target. you have long shown distain for certain countries and their riders, while staying away from accusing riders like Greg Lemond, Kelly etc. ... supposedly because "its not proven".
Add to that your praise of Indurain. A giant who suddenly became a mountain climber. again, no warped image of Big Mig on the front of a video with the words DOPED. ...again, because it's not proven regardless how obvious it is.
Just hypocritical with a personal agenda.
dont forget the aero bikes the guys have these days. its said that you can ride about 6 seconds faster each kilometer with those bikes, just cuz of the reduced resistance.
Sadly I share your cynicism but clean or not it was a great Tour de France.
@Franklin Swimmbladder3 im sure you're sports watching fan who doesn't like sports then
@Franklin Swimmbladder3 o do shutup little troll
It was a very good race and I’ve been a cycling fan for over 40 years.
Have to agree on that...even I'm left with many doubts. After all I'm biased and blind as a Dane😂
@@Asger21 You should be proud of the team presentation, the best I've ever seen.
It is amazing what aero bikes, electrolytes and HIIT training can do!! Who would have thought that nowadays' clean riders could surpass the doped junkies from the past? Truly amazing.
Just imagine Pantani on a 7.5kg disc brake aero bike, if only he knew about interval training and recovery shakes back then! He could've cycled a TDF at 50kph average easily o.O
Lol 😂
To be fair their knowledge about nutrition was laughable back then. Rolf Sørensen has revealed they literally ate in the night before the race, and then no breakfast.
@@olelimc Actually you might be right Antoine Pomari. If the riders back then knew what they knew now they would ride a lot faster, allthough they wouldn't need to train on altitude as often since they would just use heaps of EPO.
@@draregrevtaam1147 Yeah, Pantani would also fast for 6 hours before the race and get water and pills at the start line.
It’s hilarious compared to how nutrition and refuelling works nowadays. You can easily see when they go too deep nowadays by missing their refuelling advantage.
uh, and imagine Pantani at Alpe d'huez, to the top in 30 minutes....
What on earth are you on about? The green jersey leading out the yellow jersey to win on a HC climb is perfectly normal and expected. Happens all the time!
LOL
its is expected when the yellow jersey is the captain
@@weybye91 best sprinter gaping the best climber on the biggest mountain???? Of course most of them are doped
@@mmerca the Green Jersey is not the best sprinter…. The best sprinter was Jasper Philipsen. WVA won the green jersey just because he could take points where sprinters couldn’t (ITT, mountains). Know what you are talking about before accusing someone
Dutch Jumbo Visma planned this for years and introduced Total Cycling: building teamspirit, offering a big bonus, setting yellow/green goals, two times 3-weeks mountain stages, introducing specialists for food and earodynamica, new training technics, new attack systems and Van Aert has a long history of being multiple worldchampion ...... but only losers say it was doping.....
As entertainment and a bit of slapstick these are funny enough I suppose. As a vehicle to enhance your reputation as an investigative journalist, they just leave a bit of sour taste. I guess the conclusion to draw from 15 minutes of innuendo and double speak is that you've got no evidence for any of it, otherwise it would be an article with y'know; facts and interviews and checked sources . I mean at one point you're reduced to saying "Here's a current pro-cyclist from Denmark, here are some names of ex Danish Pros who doped - draw your own conclusions" It's straight from the playbook of the gutter press; no more no less.
When the political UCI is CLUELESS because there is a NEW DRUG that blows away EPO and they haven't a clue how to test for it OR WHAT IT IS ... ya better believe it.
The best summary ever. Thank you very much. Keep going.
No idea how i got here here but im here to stay, most entertaining factual sports youtuber? I love how in depth you go and how it puts it all in perspective. Its a problematic yet wonderful sport i guess. i wish we got live commentry along these lines ;P.
Factual??? Lol
This is a weird video... there is like no proof whatsoever here, just vague claims about how all the riders are apparently doped...
It's life.
@@cyclingstories how do you mean 'Its life'? is life just vague claims without proof?
Witch hunt!
People in cycling doping for 50 years straight.
New guy wins:
"But where is your proof?!"
I am telling you, once the talents are spotted taking things to enhance the performance is starting. Until at some point they use stuff that's not quite illegal, by pretending it's for medical reasons (for example Salbutamol) and then they move to things "everybody else is using".
The fact alone that young riders are winning an endurance event should make you extremely suspicious.
Why do you think Marathon runners are relatively old?
The older you are the fewer fast twitch muscle fibers you have and the more slow twitch muscle fibers which are more efficient.
It just didn't add up...
Sooner or later he will be found out.
that narrative is just spectacular!!! right on-spot, I never saw such a clean race in a lifetime... thank you you so so much UCI and TDF organization to make the sport great again.... hence: the fastest tour ever, it just proves that disc brakes and aero bikes works - lets go boys, lets pay 15k on our new 2023 bikes....
They said it was the fastest cause the wind was favorable almost all stages lol
Tailwind on almost all stages?
Hahaha
@@BA-cz4is Now don't ccome here and ruin this guy's comment with facts 😂😂
ahahahahahahahahah I can't
This is the clean era, great fun video
Pogacar is the nicest monster ever! This tour was amazing! I hope we get to see the Jonas, Tadej battle rage for years to come! Both are such great sports and true professionals!
Yea, and i hope WvA wins the green with a thousand points, plus a few, lets say 6 stages, that will be nice.
@@janvandijk4432 WVA can win all three jerseys if he drops some weight, I'm not even joking
@@miguelpereira9859
I don’t think he would win the green if he loses weight ! And not certain he would be a consistent mountain climber even if he lost weight
@@kasperrieberg3495 it would sure be interesting if WVA tried it one year. But I think your right. It takes a different animal to really win in the mountains. WVA is also very tall which is not great for climbing. However you can’t be just a pure climber like Quintana and win either. The golden size seems to be 5’8” to 6’ and 130-150 lbs depending on height. Jumbo should just drop Primos and pick up another pure climber that can stay on his bike and the Jonas and Wout can just one two punch out the jerseys for the next 5 years…
@Val O'Connell if he keeps needlessly attacking he might just burn out! But at least he is having fun. He really needs to get on a better team. Ineos seems like it would be the go to in order to battle Jumbo. He should take Mika with him as well.
Excellent video. World class ! For me, apart from WVA who throws off more radioactivity than the rest of the peloton combined, the biggest take aways from the tour was Pog's comment that other than the Glandon (where he basically got the bonk from not being able to go back to his team car for refreshment for fear of being attacked by JV), that he posted similar wattage numbers everywhere else to his previous tour, which means that Jonas' numbers were even higher than his previous tour. And also, the fact that Jonas was never dropped once, on any climb and that a 60kg guy had to even slow down so that his ultra radioactive team mate could win a 40km TT also speaks volumes. Sure, I'm not naive I know that everyone takes something, but, this year the Jumbo squad took the absolute piss in order to try and beat Pog who'd basically on his own rubbed their faces in the dirt the previous 2 years, especially in 2020. Let's hope that 2023 sees a shit weather mountain stage where Pog can once again ride away and put 5 minutes into the heat loving Dane. In fact, it seems that all the JV squad loved the hot weather this year, maybe they've learned how to become photosynthetic so that the hotter the weather the greater their wattage hahahahaahah
As if Pogacar is clean 😂😂🤣🤣
@@HolgerDanske874 No one is clean, but Jumbo's cocktail this year took the piss.
WVA is also Belgian like me, our national media doesn't know which superlatives they can't give anymore to him. They are on his hand. Good for us we have a rider who is putting Belgium on the cycling map again, but I have my doubts. The way he dropped Pog in Hautacam after being in the breakaway for a whole day was abnormal, that tempo acceleration was a combination of Froome and Armstrong during their reign dropping off the whole bunch in the mountains. It's suspicious, the same goes for his fellow countrymen Remco Evenepoel who was 2 years before he became a pro cyclist he played football in the youth ranks of RSC Anderlecht. He blewed everybody away in 2 years junior level and is nearly doing the same with the pro's. Our national press is loving it to the fullest since we finally have riders who are capable to win big races in the legacy of Merckx, Van Impe, Museeuw and Boonen...
No matter what training or nutrition you have. There is no way to go flat out for 21 days. It is physically impossible to ride this way. You can't fly on the mountains and thrive on sprints, be in suicidal breakaways and win the final TT. Ganna is the best TT, had a quiet Tour and the duo thrashed him after 3 weeks of 100 efforts!!!!
Also, the point of the video is that key domestics, were nowhere in the past years and suddenly they were better than previous winners.
And all of them clean, if I was Lance I would make a hell of a mesh....
Froome was accused of doping (let's say he was doped for the case) but even he, had bad days. On this tour nobody had one, except some "accidents"
Well said and well done. Can't wait for future vids
This Tour was as exciting as the one 20 years ago. A really good show, performed by dopers cultivating a clean image, and protected by the UCI.
yes, its very entertaining. Pure Hollywood.
yeah exactly. it’s amazing how it’s always only the super wealthy teams that win the big races huh. small teams priced out of the brown paper bag market 😂
Im a dane and i celebrated Vingegaard today together with 100k+ people in Copenhagen. But you absolutely have a point and the video still gave me a good laugh.
Agree with your last part, most of the video is pure fiction but the tounge in cheek narration is the fun part.
I think this is my favourite youtube channel
This is so good I love this video
Best summary on the planet!
Mohoric point is absolutely brilliant, I waited for him to show up all tour, never did!
It was the heat. 😉
didnt even realise he was there until I watched this video
I have a sneaking suspicion that when we finally find out what the current PED of choice is we might find a Slovenian Dr in the middle of things. For a country of 2 million to have 2 of the top 3 riders on earth and a handful of big time stage and one day winners at the same time, seems... Improbable
@@KD_cycling You get that kind of thing in a lot of sport though. Look at New Zealand historically with rugby or Jamaica with sprinting. I wouldn't be surprised but countries can dominate certain areas of sport for multiple reasons.
@@harrymitchell4033 But Jamaican sprinters had(have?) a fullon, likely stately sanctioned, doping program going so that point is moot. No idea about rugby.
How much sarcasm you want?
Clycling Stories: YES
they where always doped, they are doped now, they always will be doped. Love the sport, love the channel. Keep it up.
Just powerful Cliff Bars. Really powerful.
I love this content
I'm glad that someone had the guts to talk about this! Thanks!
Absolute bone-in-the-nose SAVAGE commentary. Great highlights and editing. Always courageous and cynically entertaining!
I love cynical, up until te point where it starts to break from reality. Of course riders find new ways to dope like microdosing hyperbaric chambers and whatever, but it's way less prevalent than around the 2000. Let's be real.
Its silly commentary with no facts
@@ronnie5329 it's entertaining commentary with no facts. Pure speculation, but it is entertaining.
UAE postal 🤣
The Richard Nixon quip had me rolling.
Your points about Pogacar @ 8:50 and Jonas soft pedaling the end of the TT are spot on.
Jonas soft pedaling didn’t win the tt for WvA though. The moment Vingegaard almost crashed, he was conceding time on WvA and at +2s (after leading the whole tt). It would have been close (as in a 5s deficit), but no win.
@@l.d.t.6327 Correct. He said himself he had lost already, by 16 seconds.
In an interview, Pogacar said Vingegaard was "Way better than last year." Big jumps in performance imply doping.
It doesnt imply anything
I remember that - he also said his numbers were the same as last year...
Now we hear the same stories from Jumbo that we heard from US Postal and Team Sky. Gain here, science there etc etc. I am Danish but not happy. I dawned on me late in the race that the fisherman suddenly could follow the most attacks in tour history by the worlds best racer. Last year he couldn't, not once. Pogacar won tour de l'avenir in 2018 41 minutes ahead of the fisherman. The fisherman wins almost nothing. Check Pogacars statistics for winning stage races. Then take the 'fantastic' performance by Wv Smart. Has there ever been something similar in any grand tour or stage race for that matter? When the performances seem unreal or too good to be true, they usually are. Nobody changes from a common rider to a super star in this sport. Riis is another example.
Yep. But people ignore stats.
Yeah, your name is really Danish 😂😂 Pogacar is clean you think? LOL! That's hilarious!
Wout was a gifted champion for years in cyclocross and mountain biking. So was Pidcock and van der Poel. When they were recruited by top teams in the pro road racing scene it appeared like they “burst” upon the scene, but they really didn’t. They’d already paid their dues and a pound of flesh more than those who only did road racing in their formative years. In mountain biking and cyclocross you have to go all out full throttle without coasting or slowing down or losing your focus. It’s like time trialing except on really challenging tricky terrain all the time. I think such a background makes road racing look easy in comparison. The only challenge for them in road racing are the hours long stages back to back that they have to get used to. But now they have times where they can coast in the pack, get help from team cars, and from other riders who can pass them bottles and gels etc.
Just wanted to say that Jonas, has never been a fisherman. We're do you get your info from lol.
That's sarcasm about newspapers telling that "hero story"
I have mixed feelings when I watch your videos. I enjoy the subtle humor and I enjoy the sport of cycling. If nothing else you remind me of the bigger $$$$$ backed picture. Thank you for the post. P.S. Wout is a great inspiration to this 6'5" has been. 8)
Excellent editing , excellent sarcasm and an excellent accent, keep up the good work !
I will buy you a pint at the Gravediggers anytime you fancy for this onnnbelayvable cycling analysis you legend.
You should do this kind of reflectionary commentary on all of the grand tours (Giro, Vuelta) in the future, but don’t forget to add a large pinch of your hilarious wit to it!💪🏻🚴♂️
I love this short documentary 💪💪💪
Subtle and humorous polemic… I’ve seen a lot of bs in this life but have yet to develop a taste for it. Thanks for the the narrative… Ride on!😉
I love how these "out of nowhere" super riders magically appear, all testing as clean as untested and amphetamine-powered 1989-90 contestants.
Nor is there any mention of Froome's more-than-a-dozen 'authorized' accepted-use masking agents...
Yes, in this sport there are no miracles
yep. NO muscle mass. 128 lbs weaklings.
“Out of nowhere”? They are young and they have been in the competitive cycling scene almost since birth, also the top contenders dont appear out of nowhere at all tbh. Vingegaard was good even in years where he didnt win like 2021
@@kivori3438 you don’t become a TDF winner in 3 years lol
Think the peloton is clean? How did Bahrain Victory-less do this year? The police show up (not WADA, UCI or any of the other phoneys), THE POLICE! one of the winningest teams in cycling comes away with a goose-egg because they were being monitored, their every move, and were afraid to step over the line. Now if only we could get the authorities to show the same interest in UAE and TJV.
I believe you are wrong! The past makes us doubt and for good reason, but conspiracy theories are way to dominant in today's world. Of course there is still doping in cycling, but I strongly believe that it is only a small minority. If you actually research Vingegaard's background and past atlectic test results, you might think differently.
Vingegaard is honest decent and clean - his personality alone should tell these people this - Good as the day is long
I did wanna say have you guys checked out Jacob Hindsgaul he beat the strava record that Jonas had in 2018 by 40+ seconds somewhere in Spain2019 22yrs now - he rides for unoX - he should be picked up ASAP
I cannot tell anyone in here how disguisting you are - what you do is crowd bullying - only low lifes & losers go on a rampage to burn the witches - people without a soul - you cannot prove Jonas is doped so lets make a video about having the right intentions and a beautiful soul like Jonas - where each and everyone who accuse him of cheating apologize
what did he win?
@@tvsmed The Tour De France
We did. There is more doping in the amateurs than ever before.This kid was shoveling ice for a fish market. NOT training for years before.
@@stanislouse4168 haha your comment only underlines your total lack of serious research and credibility. Shame on you for trying to smear someones reputation based on NOTHING. SHAME SHAME SHAME
i'm pretty positive they're all clean. the tour was dope
The sarcasm is strong in you hahaha!
Great upload and commentary on the latest edition of the Tour de France!
You are getting better and better, stay the course!💪🏻🚴♂️
Amazing how clean the sport has become…. and faster than when Lance rode 😂😂🤣🤣 it is what it is.
People like to be fooled. Look at all the face masks making their come-back.
Lance must feel pretty lame these days, seeing how perfectly clean riders run circles around his past records.
Great story telling and pure poetry
You’re a really solid narrator.. sad that you don’t upload any longer
Vingegaard is an honorable competitor and a model for all.
Yes.. he remindes me of Bjarne Ries.
Look man they are all doped! This means they are all forced to be doped.
If 1 outta 10 is not doped he will end up being last.
Try search bjarne ries.
But congratulations to JV, cause they are all doped anyway.
I mean for now sure
Why I always loved Chris boardman. Did great when on the flat but as soon as they hit the mountains and the drugs kicked in he'd get dropped.....but he didn't sacrifice his integrity and has gone on to have a long and respected career as a commentator and cycling advocate.
Didn't sacrifice his integrity?
@@telmolicious ?
@@chrismartin5870 ?
He was obviously cleaner than a lot of rider of the 90s but I am pretty he was tested positive.
There was no way to win a time trial without it sadly
@@andrerocka8135 Was he? What was his hematocrit level since u know?
The Nixon Hippie line was epicness.
Right on!
Do any of you remember Kim Andersen?1983 tour yellow surprise first of many Danes up til now.for a small country they know how to play the game.hats off to them.respect.
First of all, this was the fastest Tour, yes, but it was also the shortest regarding kilometers, with tail wind in 19 stages. On every climb, Jonas and Tadej was slower than Bjarne Riis, Arstrong and all those from the very doped era. Just remember that before you start judging!
For these arguments we'll Make a New vid. Stay alert
@@cyclingstories
If you wanna look at doping, take a look at Hautacam, where they were slower than Armstring and significantly slower than Riis (2 minutes). And this is DISPITE Riis doing way more stop-and-go, having worse nutrition, worse training, worse equipment (aero not a huge deal but not nothing - plus less rolling resistance on new tires) - yet somehow he was 2 minutes faster.... Seems like maybe this Riis guy was on EPO maybe?
Seriously, the level of optimization on food, training, recovery (a huge deal) and equipment is mind-blowing. Jumbo-Visma even bring their own mattresses and air-condition-units that they install in every hotel (if they don't have AC), just so the rider sleep better - because it matters a huge deal. Back in Riis' day they barely had a masseuse and they ate so many things that are now known to be really far from optimal.
lenghts has nothing to do with average in this case.
@@tvsmed No but the total kilometers has, ergo you can ride faster if the stages are shorter.
@@TheSe7enman 17 seconds slower than Armstrong in very hot weather.
It just goes to show busting athletes is bad for business in any sport. Just about everything is a sham.
So F1 drives are doped to?
@@weybye91 Actually yes. They take stimulants to have better reaction times. Adderall for example.
@@maximusprometheus6149 Even eSports players take drugs to perform better
I watched the highlights of every stage this year. Haven't watched it at all for a long time. I can't believe the illusion any more, but I can still actually enjoy it. The performances are superhuman and enhanced. Like makeup on a Hollywood starlet or the physical form of an Instagram filter. It's a world of lies. Makes me appreciate genuine people and mundane things much more than I otherwise would.
Wow! The “Rabobank” reference was Awesome!!
Roglic abandoned because he was injured and he has the Vuelta title to defend next month. It will be an interesting Vuelta with Roglic and the leader and Pog also racing the Vuelta plus Jai Hindley. The only concern I have for Roglic at the Vuelta is he doesn’t have his super team around him beside Van Hooydonk and Dennis.
They are saying that Pog wouldn't be there
@@cyclingstories he’s not racing the Vuelta? Is this documented anywhere?
Ross: he will have Kuss.
@@gerthenriksen8818 true, I forgot about Kuss.
@@DynamiteDB What I have heard in a interview with Pog is that he haven't decide yet. He wanted to take some time off then decide with the team about the rest of the season.
I was entertained, so I hope they take what ever it is they take again next year..
I so wanted this Tour to be clean yet was surprised seeing some performances that didn't make sense to me. I'm curious what you think are the latest PEDs? Why no positive tests? Are you suggesting the UCI or TDF or both are simply looking the other way? I'm aware that could be helpful to keep TDF $$ flowing. As a cyclist, I'm aware drafting, even at hill climb speeds, is enormously helpful so are those super-domestiques tested? Or just the lead finishers? I'm hopeful but been burned for several decades now.
When you have NO CLUE what new drug they are using ... WHERE DO YOU START???
Found something: ruclips.net/video/8zVVlCn7KFQ/видео.html
Blood doping. Switching blood for that used when training at altitude so it has a higher concentration of red blood cells - apparently, this is a thing.
Hahaha. I love the level of sarcasm in this video😅 Especially about the fastest and cleanest 2022 edition😂
Lol danish fans will start doing doctoral disertations in comment section of youtube to defend their fellow countryman. Its a good read, you find out so many historical facts about Tour de France just by reading their research. Keep it up :)
2022 TDF
1. The smallest bodies in TDF history
2. The Fastest TDF in history
That "Vegetarian EPO" diet is working good!
man if only those mega doped cyclists of the past knew they could be faster clean 😁
👍🏻😂
so everyone that does sports as a job is doped?
You mean like a skinny climber was 2 minutes slower than +12 kg Bjarne Riis on Hautacam? 😁😁😁
Yes! On a high mountain stage after other with McNulty's performance instead the bald on a flat stage with only Hautacam after rest day!
Great comparison our dane objective dude
Riis kg was nearly 65 kg in Hautacam though. Vingegaard is in 53 kg? Lol
The quality of spaghetti is much better these days.
Lol sarcastic bastard. Very enjoyable video right here, I got some good laughs in
Excellent antidote to The Cycling Podcast. I took some Science in Sport gels and now I climb Mount Ventoux on the way to work everyday. Great stuff.
It was the best Tour I ever saw - following since the mid-1990s.
Today I heard, indirectly coming from a doping inspector, that WVA always walks the line with respect to his blood passport, unlike MVDP who's farther away from the danger zone. I don't trust anyone, certainly not his father Adrie Van der Poel, but that man has already publicly suspected WVA of doping. Of course this is a very vague rumour, but his fantastic performance could be explained by that. Let us hope the Dutch team has left its past behind and really just found the perfect diet and ketone program. They never came clean, but let us hope it's just that.
I knew Matxin Joxean Fernandez and Mauro Gianetti of UAE have a past with Saunier-Duval, and the latter was almost dead after experiment with PFC doping, but I didn't know that Pogacar goes to Kolobnev's altitude hotel where Remco Evenepoel also goes. It's also where Campenaerts goes and he's doing well too, but when you see such a concentration of riders, like in Tenerife or Mallorca as well, you know there's more than just good weather.
this channel is a gold mine, keep up the great work. And oh yeah....Jumbo got some good juice.
The Jumbo Visma farce
Amazing how Pog was scuppered by a simple bonk & dry mouth.
Vingegaard performed before august 2020 he sat the best time ever in 2018 on coll du rates with his team mates on colo quick
All sports champions need that extra energy to win.
It was an amazing tour.
But at the risk of looking for conspiracies ... how did the green jersey (a sprinter) do so well in the mountains ?
Power meters. He knows how power he can put out for x amount of time.
he used to be a chap in cycling cross
@@abedfo88 yeah I guess Nairo and other climbers doesn't have it :) it's just obvious that he's on something..
@@kamilkubes9548 Is it? You tested him yourself?
@@abedfo88 I guess the question then is how can he maintain the power that he did day after day?
They climbed Alp dhuez in 39.12 after a day's racing over several very hard climbs. The fastest since 2005 and only 1.36 slower than Armstrong's time trail time when that was the only thing he rode that day and was going flat out all the way on the lightest bike he could use.
when he was 16 years old he climed Alp dhuez in 42 minutes.
And neither jonas or pogi were at their max
He also holds the fastest ascent ever of Mont Ventoux, don't know what he's doing but he's on something....
I feel like I am watching "The Town" "The Departed" "Boondock Saints" and a TDF breakdown all at the same time.
So ‘if’ teams/riders are doping, and given how strict & frequent the testing is now.. how are they doing this.. bribes? 💁🏻
It was a great tour to watch though.. Vingegaard & WVA were incredible!
Brilliant episode from everyone's favourite naughty boys. Nice edits, wicked script and oh-so-dry delivery.
Chapeau chappos
An interesting watch, I personally have my suspicion’s regarding Jumbo Visma, perhaps they have discovered ‘majorinal gains’ whatever they may be. Really do hope nothing comes back to haunt them, I have however been fooled before.
Jumbo Juice
Excellent!!!
Love the video plz do video on Bernard hinault and fignon as well and eddy merx for proof that all my hero's doped .
You hear a lot of the same excuses that were being said in the late 90's. "The technology is better than ever. Bikes and gear are more aerodynamic. Diets have changed. They are training much harder now a days."
Bang on. I stopped watching cycling years ago because it was too insulting to be taken as a fool. That said, the same is said for every sport. The powers that be in cycling have finally managed to come to an understanding that doping positives are bad for the sport. I think it took a while longer because the riders do not have a union.
Yeah I could here the same crap from Eurosport everyday that I heard in the 1990's.
I still don't think Armstrong doped. It was all down to him spinning his legs fast
@Val O'Connell Pogacar beats the kom of Telegraph.
Vingegaard climb last 4km from Hautacam faster than Riis 96 (that day was a flat stage until Hautacam, Vingegaard climbed 2 big mountains before)
@Val O'Connell Dude! Greg Lemond was tricking out his bike early in his career for aero advantages... you think anything before 1990 was the stone ages? Count the teeth on the chainrings, that is what matters.
And no, the new guys don't look like the old ones, but magically they are half the size (half the muscle mass) and still rides the same times with bikes that are not really any different, remember there is a weight limit on bikes!
They do not want to catch anyone doping period. If they have another scandal it makes them look even worse than the Lance Armstrong era. These guys smuggled bags of blood across borders and you all think they aren’t doing this again? All you have to do is watch the riders faces and it tells you all you need to know. I have never seen guys attack each other and then sit up and smile at one another during 100 plus degree heat. Armstrong doped,got caught and still won the tour.
You See Today vinegard
The Master of Doping
He did. somezhing No one With Doping has done Historie
Beat the best Time Racer in a Short Race With More then 2 Minuten
And has Not given everything
There was still more in Tank
This is the reason he never attaxks
And has Said the Tour he will win With Many Minutes easy
He could win every Stage With some minutes above evetyone
But he doesnt because then eceryone will say Doping
This is also the Reason Jumbo Visma is Not hoben everything
They often told there driver they dont Need to work
I dont know what they use but is Vetter That everyone elde has
😂😂😂😂 you killed me
Seems that "whatever" the Slovenians had been doing in previous years the peloton found out and caught up!
Roclic had 2 broken vertebraes
They are completely clueless in here, and that video is a shamble, to be honest. Dissing Roglic without even researcing why he left the race, pretty much sums up how stupid this video, AND the comments is.
Had 2 broken vertebraes but he rode with them 10 days.
The same day he retires, Krispis and Benoot crashed. If Matxin had more cyclists in his team to mutate the abandon of Rogla would be a disaster
@@cyclingstories so that means he was doped? last year one of the riders wrote with a broken back, was he doped to?
if you think all the riders are doped up,then dont watch cyckling. and i would love to see you do the same as 200 pro riders does for a fucking liveing, insteadt you spout BS online like your some clever person
@@tsunemi4869 and its funnyh that people cant answer if every other sport star is doped up
@@cyclingstories do you know why people counteniue to ride or atleaast attempts to? because TDF is the biggest race for a cycklist in the world, there is prestige in it to get to paris, just like any Football player wants to win the fucking superball, or any hockey player dreams of winning the stanley cup.... but guess evey athlete in the world is doped right?
Here's a video showing how a Danish cycling-team trains:
m.ruclips.net/video/T9aVJat9pjw/видео.html
PIM, the super doper is of course from Holland........
You dont seem to understand that the race is not as hard as in 2005. Wake up, dont call yourself a expert lol
Even if Poga saves himself for the TdF in 2023 season he still needs a better team. He basically had Mcnulty for 1 stage and a half. Congrats to Vinge and the superman WvA! One of the best TdF...
Its not that bad. Main difference is WvA who is just too good to be minion. I hope WvA will sign to different team (same with Roglic) and we could get like awesome foursome in next TdFs... lol
@@fangru7294 There are talks about INEOS grabbing Roglic... which means he would have G.Thomas and Egan Bernal for domestics, thats a TdF winner chance right there.
@@wsbygt Thats true, but I don't think Bernal would want to ride TdF as a domestic tbh...
Almost 15 minutes of endless bullshit. You have absolutely no clue on how sports, tactics, periodizing, training, motivation etc. are working. You are throwing around unsubstantiated allegations about the "new cyclist", which you doesn't know anything about. All your ridiculous claims can be easily shot down. Yes, historically, sports have always been mixed with athletes who cheat. Athletics, darts, cross-country skiing, rugby, football, snow boarding, basketball, swimming and all other sports. Just because someone cheats doesn't mean everyone cheats. Just because some young people in the US are school shooters does not mean that all young people in the US are school shooters. Sad to see such a RUclips channel, which is only about conspiracy theory. All people on earth are innocent until they proven guilty. Fortunately, this is how our legal system is built.
-All your ridiculous clases can be easily shot down
*Didn't shot and only shouts insulting and talking about law and darts
Nobody doubts that some riders are clean. Perhaps most. The point is that TJV and UAE are dominating cycling in such a fashion, and with such suspicious results, that doping allegations are only normal.
Or do you believe McNulty can go up climbs faster than Pantani and dropping Thomas, just because of ‘better altitude training’.
TJV literally send their riders to Tignes in the Alps, just like they did many years ago. Nothing changed apart from some shit they’re taking.
@@tsaoh5572 I belive you have no knowledge about sport and how the body works. Yes of course Brandon McNulty can go faster than all most any body else. The domestiques doesn't have to perform 100 % all the time. They are send to service on special occasions during the race. After ended job the can rest and save energy untill next time.
Gerraint Thomas has to be up there all the time every day, so of course Brandon can go faster in 1-2 mountains during 21 stages. If you look at Brandons results all the way back to 2015, you will see a very promissing young rider competing with all the best. Many have thought that he him self could win a stage race or even a grand tour one day.
@@neo_man The first sentence is absolutely unnecessary. Why so defensive?
There are many, many riders who ‘show promise’ and ‘can win stages’. Many riders also save themselves for one specific mountain stage. And yet, McNulty, whose best performance is a top 10 in a Giro, goes up that mountain faster than anyone ever did. Faster than dozens of men who were doped up with EPO.
To steep down to your level: YOU don’t understand how this sport works. We’re not talking about the new Hinault or Eddie Mercx. This is Brandon fucking McNulty. It doesn’t matter if he’s a domestique. If it was that simple, why don’t other domestiques do what he does? Bob Jungles was a far more promising rider when he was younger, but we don’t see him outpacing Ullrich and Pantani on climbs, do we?
Love these videos. Informative and very humorous. Thanks, Ken
"exhibitions of real EPOcha" that is so good
Jumbo have looked like Gewiss all over again all season
Same thoughts here.
Yes! I knew I had seen this before. Dead on.
To a hammer everything looks like a nail..
To dope every rider looks Danish 🤣
Brilliant
Way to go buddy!
The Irish invented doping