Incredible... 40 years ago I watched this film and became a Tangerine Dream fan.. this music at the end killed me... I know it's based on the Snowman theme but still it's so emotive....
It's great to see a forgotten film get some love. For you The Keep fans here are a couple of small corrections: 1) The 3 hour cut was an assembly. Most 2 hour films have a 3 hour assembly cut as it usually includes almost everything shot for the film. The shooting script was for a 2 hour film and they shot all of it, meaning there was a 2 hour cut of The Keep at one point. Most of the cuts are dialog trims. Scenes cut include the villagers having dinner the first night, Glaeken finding Eva snooping in his room before they make love, the villagers killing each other and threatening to rape Eva, alternate endings including Glaeken and Molasar fighting atop of the keep and them falling through a black void beneath the keep, Eva discovering Glaeken alive beneath the keep and Glaeken, Eva and Dr. Cuza escaping Romania aboard Carlos's ship. The script and stills of these scenes can be found online. 2) Mann cut the film down to 96 minutes himself. He was not fired nor was the film taken away from him. However, after he went extremely over budget and schedule Paramount essentially told him to finish it with what he had as they were not going to spend more money on it. Certain scenes and effects could not be finished without spending more money so they were dropped from the film. 3) Gene Siskel's critique of the dialog is not about the TD score but about the fact that the dialog was not mixed properly at all. In 1983 most movie theater speakers were garbage by today's standards and it's almost impossible to understand poorly mixed dialog in one of these theaters. (This is why Lucas created the THX theater sound program that same year) 4) In his DVD commentary for the film Paul Wilson thought the first 30 minutes were a great adaptation of the book. Around the time when Kaempfer arrives is when he feels that the film starts falling apart. 5) The widescreen laserdisc was released after the VHS, making it the most recent home video release at the time of this recording. However, since then there has been an officially licensed DVD of the film released in Australia. Apparently, it's a transfer of the widescreen LD. There was a HD transfer of the film made (probably for the cancelled DVD release) that streams from time to time on Neflix, Amazon or Criterion. A copy of this HD file can be found online if you know where to look. 6) Mann does not own the rights to the film. It is owned by Paramount. Around 2004 Paramount announced a DVD release of The Keep and enlisted Mann to create special features. None of the deleted material could be found and the project was cancelled.
@@kentallard8852 If there's an interview where this is confirmed, please share. It would be fantastic if that is true. Every interview I've read and heard states that Mann oversaw the 96 minute version. This is why he's embarrassed of the film. He can't say (and never has said) that Paramount butchered his film. It's the best he could do with incomplete footage. There might have been a 2 hour cut at one time but it would have had a lot of incomplete FX and "scene missing" cards.
Well.... Krull... in fantasy but... airplane. Breakfast club. Once upon a time in America. Silverado for sure. Ghostbusters... but in realms of fantasy. Krull
@@christopherseat9871 The 3 hour was just the first editing assembly of everything that was shot, Mann never intended to release a film of that length.
The Keep has always fascinated me. I must have watched it fifty times over the last twenty years. I can't think of any modern movie that deserves to be 'Directors Cut' re-visited more than it. Looking forward to the WW2 Fairytale project.
That 3.5 hr cut was a VERY rough cut. I remember reading somewhere that a more refined cut came in at around 2 hours 10 minutes. After that, the cuts were mandated. Also, there can never be a finished cut of the movie because large portions of the final battle (Molasar slaughtering all of the Nazis and most of the big final battle) were never even filmed.
@@henrybrowne7248 Ive read the book many times and nearly everything else F Paul Wilson has written especially the Repairman Jack series...one of my all-time favourite science fiction books is Healer
I saw this ONE TIME on a local channel in Hawaii late at night. I couldn't believe my eyes! Sucks that they thought it was just cheaper to kill him off.
They do actually grow old together. He lost his immortality after the duel. I was shocked there are like 12 books with 2 different series involving Radu and Glaeken.
Thank you, Savage Cinema for making this missing footage available for the lot of us to review for ourselves. If I would have purchased this, I would have been disappointed. As is - meh - I'm glad they cut it. I bought the new 4K rescan on BluRay. I am looking forward to THAT. I am certain someone can make a better film version of this, my favorite novel.
Thank you so very much for posting this ending! I sincerely hope Paramount decides to come to their senses allow Michael Mann to release his director's cut someday.
I suspect most commenters already know this: The F. Paul Wilson book presents both "Glaeken" and "Rasalom/Molasar" as prehistoric proto-vampires -- ancient champions of "Light" and "Darkness," but not exactly so good-or-evil, who predate the vampire myths and sort of inspired those myths through the centuries. Glaeken wields a great magical sword -- not a weird staff -- forged by ancient elven beings, with which he is supposed to kill Rasalom. But, over the centuries, Glaeken starts to question himself: can he defeat Rasalom, if they meet for their final battle, will he win, and, even if he wins, maybe his immortal life will be over, and he's not sure he wants to be done. So, instead, Glaeken removes the sword's hilt (the funny cross), and uses it to imprison Molasar/Rasalom in the fortress, a sort of half-compromise standoff for both beings. The book ends with Molasar still being imprisoned in the castle, but starting to break free. He (Molasar) disintegrates every stone wall/floor EXCEPT for the walls bearing the sword-hilt images, and Glaeken + Molasar are left standing on the high circular tower, precariously balancing on its outer circular wall. Molasar lunges at Glaeken, and Glaeken impales Molasar through the back/chest with his great sword, destroying him. Glaeken falls hundreds of feet to the ground. This deleted-scene ending reveals several bits from the book. Glaeken falls (though not quite as book-presented); he awakens as a mortal; and he can see his own reflection in the water. Mann deleted bits from the cut-down film where Glaeken turns mirrors around to face the wall, because he casts no reflection in them, and of course the same is true for Molasar.
Thanks for taking the time to write that all out. As a fan from the time I was a kid..staying up late with this on late-night TV, making German Tamiya models on our kitchen table...and loving German gear, this was the film for me! Seemed kinda weird to have Glaeken get sucked back into the Keep, only to be like...alive at the bottom...LOL!!!! Coulda saved some time there!
I am a big fan of this film, despite all its flaws, and of Michael Mann in general. I had not previously noticed or appreciated how much Ridley Scott's Legend seems to have borrowed from it, visually + stylistically, two years later (in 1985). The two are remarkably similar. As has already been pointed out by others, Mann re-used much of this composition for his Last of the Mohicans adaptation nine years later -- the fall, musical score, and reunion are familiar.
I saw this in the theater back in 1983, and thought it was good then. And, that opinion hasn't changed, except I think it's really a great movie. Sadly, the movie tanked, and barely made half the cost of making it. But, that's really not the fault of the movie. The movie tanked because people would rather believe a movie critic's bad review rather than going to see for yourself. And that's a shame.
I enjoyed the movie BUT I had no idea what was going on. There should have been more narration or dialogue to explain the two mysterious beings who fought at the end. This ending sequence was beautiful but it lacked dialogue that would have better explained what just happened.
I remember seeing this on early cable, I watched it then the next night, I noticed a different ending, So the next night and again, How many different endings does this film have ?
I saw the TV ending and I don't recall a single minute of this sequence . . All I remember was the tremendous battle between Glaeken[I did not know his name at the time, who he was, even that he and the daughter were in love] and Molasar[Rasalom]. But having just finished the book, I felt like weeping here, with Tangerine Dream getting most of the credit[I'm a music guy]; for now I understand it. And, it DOES look like the movie really did follow the book closely enough . . I wonder why Mann won't release it . .
He won't release it because he no longer has it. The story is that after viewing a 210min cut of the production Paramount was upset with its length and decided to get rid of all but 96mins. That's why Mann has basically disowned the film.
@@dt9913 It's never been confirmed if the footage from the 3.5 hour version still exists or not. Mann isn't interested in researching to find out. He's completely detached himself from the film. At the very least the two hour version that was shown to preview audiences most likely still exists, as Paramount had a good record of archiving such prints.
@@Jimbo1221 Well, it's from the 2 hour cut that was shown to preview audiences. That cut probably still exists in a vault somewhere. Wether Mann's 3+ hour director's cut still exists, no one knows.
Thanks for posting this! The movie was kinda snakebitten. The special effects supervisor died early in post-production and they simply couldn’t finish many planned sequences. Micheal Mann, for his part, didn’t go in with a good idea of how to realize the villain. Then the studio demanded massive cuts at a very late stage of production resulting in all sorts of continuity and technical problems. Mann has, perhaps, implied that the original footage still exists, but that they couldn’t figure out how to make it work. Even as a mess the film has some strong cinematography in places and a good score. There was also a dungeons&dragons module made from the movie! BTW, the movie is being remade!
The script called for a big battle that ranged all over the Keep. The elements for this were all shot, but the special effects supervisor (Wally Veevers) died in a motorcycle accident before those elements could be assembled into finished shots - and apparently only he knew how he intended to do it. The ending we got was cobbled together from whatever could be salvaged.
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No, no you didn’t. You are merely being contradictory to subvert the focus of attention onto you to compensate for your lonely disillusioned existence.
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Incredible... 40 years ago I watched this film and became a Tangerine Dream fan.. this music at the end killed me... I know it's based on the Snowman theme but still it's so emotive....
It's great to see a forgotten film get some love. For you The Keep fans here are a couple of small corrections:
1) The 3 hour cut was an assembly. Most 2 hour films have a 3 hour assembly cut as it usually includes almost everything shot for the film. The shooting script was for a 2 hour film and they shot all of it, meaning there was a 2 hour cut of The Keep at one point. Most of the cuts are dialog trims. Scenes cut include the villagers having dinner the first night, Glaeken finding Eva snooping in his room before they make love, the villagers killing each other and threatening to rape Eva, alternate endings including Glaeken and Molasar fighting atop of the keep and them falling through a black void beneath the keep, Eva discovering Glaeken alive beneath the keep and Glaeken, Eva and Dr. Cuza escaping Romania aboard Carlos's ship. The script and stills of these scenes can be found online.
2) Mann cut the film down to 96 minutes himself. He was not fired nor was the film taken away from him. However, after he went extremely over budget and schedule Paramount essentially told him to finish it with what he had as they were not going to spend more money on it. Certain scenes and effects could not be finished without spending more money so they were dropped from the film.
3) Gene Siskel's critique of the dialog is not about the TD score but about the fact that the dialog was not mixed properly at all. In 1983 most movie theater speakers were garbage by today's standards and it's almost impossible to understand poorly mixed dialog in one of these theaters. (This is why Lucas created the THX theater sound program that same year)
4) In his DVD commentary for the film Paul Wilson thought the first 30 minutes were a great adaptation of the book. Around the time when Kaempfer arrives is when he feels that the film starts falling apart.
5) The widescreen laserdisc was released after the VHS, making it the most recent home video release at the time of this recording. However, since then there has been an officially licensed DVD of the film released in Australia. Apparently, it's a transfer of the widescreen LD. There was a HD transfer of the film made (probably for the cancelled DVD release) that streams from time to time on Neflix, Amazon or Criterion. A copy of this HD file can be found online if you know where to look.
6) Mann does not own the rights to the film. It is owned by Paramount. Around 2004 Paramount announced a DVD release of The Keep and enlisted Mann to create special features. None of the deleted material could be found and the project was cancelled.
Let's hope that the footage still exists, and whoever looks for it next actually finds it.
I would love to see the scene of them boarding the ship together!😊
yes Mann submitted a 2 hour film which was then cut down to 95 minutes by the studio
There's a 1080p and maybe a 4K release out there, made from an original theatrical print of the film. Just in case you were unaware
@@kentallard8852 If there's an interview where this is confirmed, please share. It would be fantastic if that is true. Every interview I've read and heard states that Mann oversaw the 96 minute version. This is why he's embarrassed of the film. He can't say (and never has said) that Paramount butchered his film. It's the best he could do with incomplete footage. There might have been a 2 hour cut at one time but it would have had a lot of incomplete FX and "scene missing" cards.
The talented cast in this film deserved 3.5 hours. I can’t think of an 80’s film that had a more talented ensemble!
Well.... Krull... in fantasy but... airplane. Breakfast club. Once upon a time in America. Silverado for sure. Ghostbusters... but in realms of fantasy. Krull
there is a 3 hour version.
@@christopherseat9871 The 3 hour was just the first editing assembly of everything that was shot, Mann never intended to release a film of that length.
Yes, definitely!
The Keep has always fascinated me. I must have watched it fifty times over the last twenty years. I can't think of any modern movie that deserves to be 'Directors Cut' re-visited more than it. Looking forward to the WW2 Fairytale project.
Thank you for sharing. Read the book and was delighted to see his return in the Repairman Jack series.
A really great cast, and I think a very well done film.Love the last 10 minutes and a haunting music score.So Good
The studio cut this down from a 3.5hr film to a 1.5hr film...we still ended up with a film i love but what the hell did we miss by them doing it
Read the book.
That 3.5 hr cut was a VERY rough cut. I remember reading somewhere that a more refined cut came in at around 2 hours 10 minutes. After that, the cuts were mandated.
Also, there can never be a finished cut of the movie because large portions of the final battle (Molasar slaughtering all of the Nazis and most of the big final battle) were never even filmed.
@@derkeheath5172 It was a very troubled shoot...
Book better by milllion mile. It goodly than movie.
@@henrybrowne7248 Ive read the book many times and nearly everything else F Paul Wilson has written especially the Repairman Jack series...one of my all-time favourite science fiction books is Healer
I read the book and if you can wrap your head around David Lynches' Dune with the interesting changes you can also love this movie. I certainly do.
I never read the book of The Keep, name of the book if different names, please n ty. I have read Dune & I enjoy the 1984 movie!!!!!
I prefer the film version of Molasar which is stranger and more unknowable. The book version was more of a traditional nobleman vampire type of being.
I totally agree. And the effects and music as Molasar reassembled were mind altering. @@elrey8876
The F Paul Wilson novel is one of the all time great horror novels. Top five for me.
I saw this ONE TIME on a local channel in Hawaii late at night. I couldn't believe my eyes! Sucks that they thought it was just cheaper to kill him off.
She went back for her man! 😊 I absolutely love this scene & wish it was included in the original movie! Eva❤Glaeken 4 Ever!!
They do actually grow old together. He lost his immortality after the duel. I was shocked there are like 12 books with 2 different series involving Radu and Glaeken.
Thank you, Savage Cinema for making this missing footage available for the lot of us to review for ourselves. If I would have purchased this, I would have been disappointed. As is - meh - I'm glad they cut it. I bought the new 4K rescan on BluRay. I am looking forward to THAT. I am certain someone can make a better film version of this, my favorite novel.
Thank you so very much for posting this ending! I sincerely hope Paramount decides to come to their senses allow Michael Mann to release his director's cut someday.
Micheal Mann isn't interested in restoring it.
The footage is lost so it'll never happen unfortunately.
The bridge is still just about there at the quarry in Wales where this was filmed
it's just the frame of the bridge now but it's still something.
I suspect most commenters already know this:
The F. Paul Wilson book presents both "Glaeken" and "Rasalom/Molasar" as prehistoric proto-vampires -- ancient champions of "Light" and "Darkness," but not exactly so good-or-evil, who predate the vampire myths and sort of inspired those myths through the centuries.
Glaeken wields a great magical sword -- not a weird staff -- forged by ancient elven beings, with which he is supposed to kill Rasalom. But, over the centuries, Glaeken starts to question himself: can he defeat Rasalom, if they meet for their final battle, will he win, and, even if he wins, maybe his immortal life will be over, and he's not sure he wants to be done. So, instead, Glaeken removes the sword's hilt (the funny cross), and uses it to imprison Molasar/Rasalom in the fortress, a sort of half-compromise standoff for both beings.
The book ends with Molasar still being imprisoned in the castle, but starting to break free. He (Molasar) disintegrates every stone wall/floor EXCEPT for the walls bearing the sword-hilt images, and Glaeken + Molasar are left standing on the high circular tower, precariously balancing on its outer circular wall. Molasar lunges at Glaeken, and Glaeken impales Molasar through the back/chest with his great sword, destroying him. Glaeken falls hundreds of feet to the ground.
This deleted-scene ending reveals several bits from the book. Glaeken falls (though not quite as book-presented); he awakens as a mortal; and he can see his own reflection in the water. Mann deleted bits from the cut-down film where Glaeken turns mirrors around to face the wall, because he casts no reflection in them, and of course the same is true for Molasar.
Thanks for taking the time to write that all out.
As a fan from the time I was a kid..staying up late with this on late-night TV, making German Tamiya models on our kitchen table...and loving German gear, this was the film for me!
Seemed kinda weird to have Glaeken get sucked back into the Keep, only to be like...alive at the bottom...LOL!!!!
Coulda saved some time there!
I am a big fan of this film, despite all its flaws, and of Michael Mann in general. I had not previously noticed or appreciated how much Ridley Scott's Legend seems to have borrowed from it, visually + stylistically, two years later (in 1985). The two are remarkably similar.
As has already been pointed out by others, Mann re-used much of this composition for his Last of the Mohicans adaptation nine years later -- the fall, musical score, and reunion are familiar.
I didn't know there was a ''tv version''.. very interesting. Thanks for the upload
I got lucky one Sunday back in the mid 90s it ran on television and to my surprise it had this ending
I saw this in the theater back in 1983, and thought it was good then. And, that opinion hasn't changed, except I think it's really a great movie.
Sadly, the movie tanked, and barely made half the cost of making it. But, that's really not the fault of the movie. The movie tanked because people would rather believe a movie critic's bad review rather than going to see for yourself. And that's a shame.
Critics suck ass. I have a Blueray theatrical version and TV version that I have yet to watch.
Alberta Watson RIP.
I have always preferred the think of it ending this way. They deserved a happy ending.
It's funny seeing and hearing the similarities between this and the ending of Last of the Mohicans.
Would love a copy of this on dvd!
Love Scott Glenn in anything.
uno de los mejores filmes de la historia me encanta esta película
Many of F. Paul Wilson's books are set in the keep universe.
This is great, thanks! Cheers 🍻
Thanks for sharing this👍
I am still looking for the version where the ending shows the three of them leaving in a boat.
The film has just been released in 4k.
I enjoyed the movie BUT I had no idea what was going on. There should have been more narration or dialogue to explain the two mysterious beings who fought at the end. This ending sequence was beautiful but it lacked dialogue that would have better explained what just happened.
A lot of the final battle was never even filmed, so yeah...pretty confusing.
I remember seeing this on early cable,
I watched it then the next night,
I noticed a different ending,
So the next night and again,
How many different endings does this film have ?
I saw the TV ending and I don't recall a single minute of this sequence . . All I remember was the tremendous battle between Glaeken[I did not know his name at the time, who he was, even that he and the daughter were in love] and Molasar[Rasalom]. But having just finished the book, I felt like weeping here, with Tangerine Dream getting most of the credit[I'm a music guy]; for now I understand it. And, it DOES look like the movie really did follow the book closely enough . . I wonder why Mann won't release it . .
He won't release it because he no longer has it. The story is that after viewing a 210min cut of the production Paramount was upset with its length and decided to get rid of all but 96mins. That's why Mann has basically disowned the film.
@@dt9913 Bummer.
@@dt9913 It's never been confirmed if the footage from the 3.5 hour version still exists or not. Mann isn't interested in researching to find out. He's completely detached himself from the film.
At the very least the two hour version that was shown to preview audiences most likely still exists, as Paramount had a good record of archiving such prints.
😲 wow.
Is it possible to get a download link for quality without compression ? Thank you
A remake is on its way folks
Its actually more faithful to the book's ending, its odd they cut it
Wait so is this extended ending FROM the original cut??????
Yup.
@@zippymufo9765 WTF. So we were so close in getting the full directors cut.... :(
@@Jimbo1221 Well, it's from the 2 hour cut that was shown to preview audiences. That cut probably still exists in a vault somewhere. Wether Mann's 3+ hour director's cut still exists, no one knows.
Actually, this is only one of several endings filmed. Even an ending with her releasing him.
Thanks for posting this! The movie was kinda snakebitten. The special effects supervisor died early in post-production and they simply couldn’t finish many planned sequences. Micheal Mann, for his part, didn’t go in with a good idea of how to realize the villain. Then the studio demanded massive cuts at a very late stage of production resulting in all sorts of continuity and technical problems. Mann has, perhaps, implied that the original footage still exists, but that they couldn’t figure out how to make it work.
Even as a mess the film has some strong cinematography in places and a good score.
There was also a dungeons&dragons module made from the movie!
BTW, the movie is being remade!
Too bad it’s not on the 4k
*This* is ending is what the theatric version should have had but didn't. What were they thinking?!
Him being released would have predated a monster killing soldiers (Predator)...🤔
Would have been good if Glaeken had to battle Molasar to get the cross. He took out the Molasar too easy.
The script called for a big battle that ranged all over the Keep. The elements for this were all shot, but the special effects supervisor (Wally Veevers) died in a motorcycle accident before those elements could be assembled into finished shots - and apparently only he knew how he intended to do it. The ending we got was cobbled together from whatever could be salvaged.
Does anyone know where to find the uncut version?
Hidden away in a Paramount basement, destroyed at worst
@@sugma3475 Bit More Info,some of it is lost , 30% of it still remains, but is unfinished,ie special effects,music etc.
We're walking in the air! Wierd film but always enjoyed it
What to the opening for this movie in 35mm which was dubbed in German?
Titre français: LA FORTERESSE NOIRE. VHS uniquement!Sfx laser du groupe THE WHO en autres.Combat d entitees millenaires.Premier long metrage de MICKAEL MANN!A VOIR!!!
What a waste of Great Actors. Book was absolutely great. Movie was a POS.
I really disliked the whole movie,even soundtrack.
No, no you didn’t. You are merely being contradictory to subvert the focus of attention onto you to compensate for your lonely disillusioned existence.
@@funkydozer brilliant!