While with upscaling performance drop was only 5-6% but with ray reconstruction performance drop is much higher at 15-30% depending on the scene. Visual gains are definitely there though, ghosting is fixed, less noise, reflections are better and overall image has cleaner look. Also note that CNN is bit buggy in the game where sometimes even though CNN is selected in graphic settings, game instead reverts to transformer model, so double check while using the same. If you need dlls only and don't own Cyberpunk 2077, you can grab same from my discord server. Upscaling related comparison for DLSS 4 can be seen over here - ruclips.net/video/0flpH2L4MPY/видео.html If video was helpful, Like, Comment, Subscribe or Share, Thank you. *Timestamps* 00:00 Graphic Settings Used - Path Tracing 00:11 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Performance 00:36 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Performance - PT FPS Comparison 01:39 Graphic Settings Used - RT Ultra 01:50 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Balanced 02:18 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Balanced - RT Ultra FPS Comparison 03:22 Transformer vs CNN vs RR 3.7.20 - DLSS Balanced 03:43 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Quality 04:05 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Balanced - Comparison 2 04:27 Video Suggestions *Watch Next* S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Benchmark video all settings tested - ruclips.net/video/LkS7ZtTCngE/видео.html S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Texture Quality Comparison - ruclips.net/video/OW_dqDf4tIQ/видео.html Forza Motorsport RTGI Update - RTGI vs RTAO vs RT Off - ruclips.net/video/AxgbbPK2RMA/видео.html Indiana Jones and the Great Circle - HRT On vs Off - ruclips.net/video/2Aym0bDzNIQ/видео.html Indiana Jones and the Great Circle - RTX 3070 - ruclips.net/video/5NiqqbMFBS4/видео.html DLSS 3.8.10 is available now - 4 Game Comparison - ruclips.net/video/doKULU2W8P4/видео.html Preset C vs E vs F - 5 Game Comparison - ruclips.net/video/oMWa0zIvXmY/видео.html RTX 3070 in 2024 - 20 Games Tested - 1440p,1080p - ruclips.net/video/-Mxu9kJQqKs/видео.html *Ryzen 3600 vs Ryzen 7600* Cyberpunk 2077 - 1440p - ruclips.net/video/7vMmrCmECDg/видео.html Star Wars Jedi Survivor - 1440p - ruclips.net/video/YGGLfocs-Mk/видео.html Alan Wake 2 - 1440p - ruclips.net/video/IGsXr8A0cdM/видео.html Hogwarts Legacy - 1440p - ruclips.net/video/u9xikAwJsyE/видео.html *Join* my Discord server for image based comparisons and DLSS related guides - discord.gg/Hu6TARTPQY *Buy Games* S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Heart of Chornobyl - tinyurl.com/3dzmux4m Black Myth Wukong - tinyurl.com/5n9bp956 Cyberpunk 2077 - tinyurl.com/4wnv3bkn Alan Wake 2 - tinyurl.com/2p84sedm Disclosure: In connection with Epic Games’ Support-A-Creator Program, I may receive payouts from your in-game purchases. *Buy Hardware* amzn.to/3U1yr9b ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 4070 Super - amzn.to/4bCkbNF ASUS TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti Super - amzn.to/3CjRBDi AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D - amzn.to/3AfGVVU Asus Dual GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB - amzn.to/3YOxiqw XFX Speedster Radeon RX 7900XT - amzn.to/3wk1huw ASUS TUF Gaming RTX 4090 - amzn.to/3NR3GSZ AMD Ryzen 5 9600X - amzn.to/4ebExgO Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE - amzn.to/3NSgw3E Disclosure: I get commissions for purchases made through links in this post.
@@S2GamesBench Is there any way to get "DLSS model override" in Nvidia app for older GPU models right now? Cause there was no drivers\app update since launch, but I do see some people get this option is their app already somehow. Any idea, or is it just a manual dll swap for older cards for now?
@@S2GamesBench Oh, ok thanks, waiting for update then. But still, I have seen some people have that option in the app, may be reviewers getting updated app together with gpu or something like that...
i actually started using performance ever since DLSS 3 dropped early last year. with the exception of a bit of sparkle on the occasional fence i think most of the artifacts only existed on ultra performance. and even ultra performance has become playable now.
@@AbdallahAhmed-qz6uu Is there any way to get DLSS model override in Nvidia app for older GPU models right now? Cause there was no drivers\app update since launch, but I do see people get this option is their app somehow. Any idea, or is it just a manual dll swap for now?
Nvidia really is looking pretty smart. Their cards while less competitive on raw rasterization are producing wild results. The 30 series looks a lot better vs a 6800 now.
I don't really understand why would exactly Ampere cards be affected, and Ada Lovelace cards not being affected (according to 4070 and 4080 tests), there should be no real difference, at least not 20% in Cyberpunk
@leo58355 difference of 20% is with ray reconstruction, with dlss 4 upscaling difference is 5 to 6 % only on 3070, you can check my other video on it Stalker 2 comparison
@@JBIGroup3D-Ai Well, lets see, 3080 ti has about 420 AI TOPS (in Nvidia classification) according to 4080 super info (3080 ti has half of 4080 AI performance, which is 836 AI TOPS) 4070 super has 536 AI TOPS, 3080 ti is about 5% slower than 5070 super, also we should understand that Nvidia will always give the nubers being in favor of higher series GPU, so 3080 ti possibly could have like 450 AI TOPS or higher in their classification and should not be that much difference with 4070 super. But we can see a huge FPS lost. The other point is - we don't get that affect without ray reconstruction, without RR there is no difference between Ada Lovelace and Ampere (while it also should be there if the point is in tensor cores).
With everything possible maxed out, including path tracing and using DLSS quality (no frame gen, just upscaling) I went from 75-80 FPS using CNN with ray reconstruction down to 60-75 FPS using Transformer with ray reconstruction. This is with 4070 Super on a 1080P monitor. But Transformer model looks much better so it is worth the FPS hit. I am still reluctant to use frame gen though or downgrade the DLSS quality.
Great comparison. The noise in the reflections seems to have improved significantly. The performance hit is a bit of a bummer but maybe later iterations of DLSS will improve the performance as well.
i dont use path tracing since i dont think it is worth it on a 3070, and the performance drop for regular RT ultra from CNN to Transformer is almost 10fps! I do agree it looks sharper, maybe even more sharper than switching from DLSS balanced to DLSS quality where you'd also get a similar performance drop? The question is, is it better to use DLSS performance + Transformer or DLSS balanced + CNN for better visuals at a similar framerate?
I'm interested to see the differences in frame gen using the transformer model as well on 40 series cards. Looks like we shld be able to use lower internal resolutions and get cnn 'quality' level output. This video is awesome... gonna grab that dll and get to it.
Thx for detailed review of this technology. What is now difference between transformer dlss vs DLAA? As this is the most awesome technology that i wanna play that game. Best aa, ever. Also we need 6090, instead of 4090 AI/TI edition. I still feel 4090 and 5090 are great ultrawide gpus. I think they figure out with ai how to upgrade graphics so we can enjoy new games on weaker gpus. Now everything is possible. Still having 3070 in my pc, gaming is still great. But one day I wanna try ultrawide, find myself again in wow world.
I recently tried ultrawide too, it is hard to go back once you see it, so try at your own risk lol DLSS and DLAA are same thing essentially just the render resolution is native with DLAA so it produces better image quality and AA, same gains that apply to DLSS from transformer model will apply to DLAA too, however since resolution is higher with DLAA it has less to gain in comparison to DLSS because DLAA is already sitting at better place.
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for this game you just select transformer model in game settings However other games that use hard coded presets like Black Myth Wukong, extra step is required to change preset, use DLSSTweaks mod and change preset to G, preset G doesn't actually exist so game reverts to default preset of dll which is J. Alternatively nvidia app can also be used when it gets updated which will do everything required with one click.
@@mhouchens262 Not at all. At this point, the CNN model had seen plenty of iterations and the new one is somewhat fresh. It'll take time for it to improve and surpass Nvidia's previous offering. In general, the new model should have a higher ceiling for potential. Needing to restart the training process is the only real downside to AI.
it looks better irl and in-game instead of seeing it on YT compressed honestly but yes there are some artifacts still but personally i don't notice them when I've played so far.
@@carsonj4031 on the new transformer, its really not that bad at 1440p. id even say its good. I think the real problem here is cyberpunk itself, something about the way it handles LOD is... gross. real smeary and not very pleasing in general, even at native.
I compared DLSS4 Quility Transformer and Native in 1080P and i found almost no difference and I'm currently playing with DLSS instead of Native lol 10-15 fps more I can't really find a difference it looks nice it's just my opinion tho other people might think differently
Sorry for my english. I’ve notice the same thing but i notice a lower power consuption with transformer. This thing make me hope for the missing new driver come with some optimisationfor the new tecnology. I try the frame gen mod and some mod for the path tracing and i’ve reach 70 fps with fg on,dlss balanced and near zero imput lag in comparison at 2 month ago. This make me think about they also implement reflex 2.0
No thats only if you want DLSS override via the Nvidia app for non official supported games. Cyberpunk has official DLSS4 support, thats why you dont need the new 570 branch drivers.
Comparison in Ray Reconstruction, I see the cnn vs transformer model being compared. Can you just explain, are there two models in dlss 4.0? As I understand it by the standard, there is a J preset and a model called a transformer , and then what is CNN? And thank you very much for your hard work , excellent comparison , I wish you wealth and strength like Bruce Lee 😁👍
@@Rostovgenchik presets are for upscaling where J is new preset and is transformer model. For ray reconstruction, we have 2 options now, old CNN model and new transformer model that has been added with dlss 4
@@S2GamesBench Thanks a lot for the clarification. Is there any way to include this new model in the file responsible for reconstructing the best one, or is it already activated initially? As I understand it, you can't change the model in the options of the game itself?
@Rostovgenchik for cyberpunk you can, for other games you swap dll file then force preset G in dlsstweaks to get preset J in the game (J is new transformer model)
ray reconstruction costs 40% of my fps on a 2080ti at 4k if i use the new transformer model, but if i check it on 4080 with geforce now, it doesn't have any additional cost. so i guess its down to slower tensor cores
@S2GamesBench so does i need to change present to J or just copy and paste the new dlss files, and where the new fg dlss will available because i think the currently file i found is only for upscaling not fg on 4000 series
@@microsoftflightsimulator476 this link has all dll files, it is from a guru3d forum member - mega.nz/file/ZocG2bYC#0DlAMY9NAMDAyaKq91T_SM2CAhYn39qXysc6lZr_KIg you should use dlsstweaks to force preset G, this will get you J instead which is transformer model
@@TheMrArnant with nvidia app update you will be able to force new transformer model easily from the app. But as of now you can still force the new model manually Cyberpunk though has added this to game settings itself.
If you can somehow get rtx4060ti to compare, then it would be nice... it has more AI TOPS, than rtx3090ti, so maybe this new DLSS with RR is going to be faster, while cards are very similar in performance.
Can someone explain what's going on here? I was the one who was worried that the new transformer model will hit performance hard. But when i turned it on, I had 0 FPS loss and even +0.5 AVG FPS in Cyberpunk Benchmark (after several tests). But here I see -5 or -6 FPS drops..... I have 4070 GPU
cnn model is bit hard to apply from in game settings, many times you apply it and it will continue to say that cnn is in use but in actual game it will still be transformer model instead, for confirmation you can use dlsstweaks
swap old dll file with new dll file, then use DLSSTweaks mod and change preset to G, preset G doesn't actually exist so game reverts to default preset of dll which is J. Alternatively nvidia app can also be used when it gets updated which will do everything required with one click.
Can dlss 4 be used with cnn model instead of transformer. I don't mind the quality, but it seems it's dropping a few frames from what I've seen so far, especially on older gpus (i have a 4060 laptop) is the frame gen gonna be better with both cnn and transformer or is it exclusive to just transformer?
DLSS 4 with CNN model is DLSS 3.7, CNN option is given because transformer model is currently in beta For frame gen, you could perhaps select transformer for FG while keeping old upscaling and RR dll so they remain on CNN
You have to zoom in to see the differences?! I am disappointed with this release. After nvidia's presentation I thought the image of dlss4 will be clearly improved while maintaining the current performance. It turns out that the improvement in quality is small with a fps drop:/
I really think the videos must be backwards in some of these clips lol. The entire idea was that the game would be MORE clear, not less. This makes no sense.
You can use a lower DLSS preset and get comparable performance with a better image. Also, the drop off on this 3070 is due to using ray reconstruction.
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
While with upscaling performance drop was only 5-6% but with ray reconstruction performance drop is much higher at 15-30% depending on the scene.
Visual gains are definitely there though, ghosting is fixed, less noise, reflections are better and overall image has cleaner look.
Also note that CNN is bit buggy in the game where sometimes even though CNN is selected in graphic settings, game instead reverts to transformer model, so double check while using the same.
If you need dlls only and don't own Cyberpunk 2077, you can grab same from my discord server.
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00:11 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Performance
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01:50 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Balanced
02:18 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Balanced - RT Ultra FPS Comparison
03:22 Transformer vs CNN vs RR 3.7.20 - DLSS Balanced
03:43 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Quality
04:05 Transformer vs CNN - DLSS Balanced - Comparison 2
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Did not expect this kind of quality testing from such a small channel. Job well done!!
@@GGaming-w2u thank you
@@S2GamesBench Is there any way to get "DLSS model override" in Nvidia app for older GPU models right now? Cause there was no drivers\app update since launch, but I do see some people get this option is their app already somehow. Any idea, or is it just a manual dll swap for older cards for now?
@xerxeslv AFAIK no update has leaked for nvidia app, only swap is the option
@@S2GamesBench Oh, ok thanks, waiting for update then. But still, I have seen some people have that option in the app, may be reviewers getting updated app together with gpu or something like that...
looks like most of the performance drop is from the new ray reconstruction, the visuals are def worth the hit though
Nice. Much better showing than other bigger channels. Subscribed.
Thanks a detailed side by side comparison. Much appreciated.
@@hl236 welcome
Not bad, looks like the performance setting might actually be useful now
i actually started using performance ever since DLSS 3 dropped early last year. with the exception of a bit of sparkle on the occasional fence i think most of the artifacts only existed on ultra performance. and even ultra performance has become playable now.
Am I tripping or DLSS P 1440p all of a sudden became a nice thing with this new model?
Yep, when i tried for the first time, i though i was running DLSS Quality at 1440p but then i realized it was DLSS Performance lol
even ultra performance feels good! try it
@@AbdallahAhmed-qz6uu Is there any way to get DLSS model override in Nvidia app for older GPU models right now? Cause there was no drivers\app update since launch, but I do see people get this option is their app somehow. Any idea, or is it just a manual dll swap for now?
Same, I thought I'm blind LOL, 1440p dlss performance (transformer) looked just as equal or slightly better than old CNN dlss quality mode.
Nvidia really is looking pretty smart. Their cards while less competitive on raw rasterization are producing wild results. The 30 series looks a lot better vs a 6800 now.
Fantastic comparison. The differences can clearly be seen, and you chose great scenes to review. Awesome vid!
@@thedigitaljedi3243 thank you
The performance impact on Ampere GPUs is definitely noticeable. 10% fps on average across different games I've tested.
lets not forget its in beta,there will be improvements in the future
I don't really understand why would exactly Ampere cards be affected, and Ada Lovelace cards not being affected (according to 4070 and 4080 tests), there should be no real difference, at least not 20% in Cyberpunk
@@leo58355 dlss4 transformer mode is more ai core heavy,ada Lovelace is twice as powerful in tensor cores operations
@leo58355 difference of 20% is with ray reconstruction, with dlss 4 upscaling difference is 5 to 6 % only on 3070, you can check my other video on it Stalker 2 comparison
@@JBIGroup3D-Ai Well, lets see, 3080 ti has about 420 AI TOPS (in Nvidia classification) according to 4080 super info (3080 ti has half of 4080 AI performance, which is 836 AI TOPS) 4070 super has 536 AI TOPS, 3080 ti is about 5% slower than 5070 super, also we should understand that Nvidia will always give the nubers being in favor of higher series GPU, so 3080 ti possibly could have like 450 AI TOPS or higher in their classification and should not be that much difference with 4070 super. But we can see a huge FPS lost.
The other point is - we don't get that affect without ray reconstruction, without RR there is no difference between Ada Lovelace and Ampere (while it also should be there if the point is in tensor cores).
great work as always. this channel deserves more subs asap, and a better graphic card as well.
thanks, I might buy a new 50 series card if price and availability are on good side
I used it today on 3080, w/ Path Tracing.
1440p @~60fps. DLSS ultra performance.
Transformer model gives a clean image quality... Good stuff 👍.
With everything possible maxed out, including path tracing and using DLSS quality (no frame gen, just upscaling) I went from 75-80 FPS using CNN with ray reconstruction down to 60-75 FPS using Transformer with ray reconstruction. This is with 4070 Super on a 1080P monitor. But Transformer model looks much better so it is worth the FPS hit. I am still reluctant to use frame gen though or downgrade the DLSS quality.
@@ParallelUniversity try dlss performance too, it is looking good with new transformer model
@@S2GamesBenchexactly, old CNN QUALITY is equivalent to new PERFORMANCE mode.
You deserve 5090 than those 'tech' tubers
thank you 😅
Great comparison.
The noise in the reflections seems to have improved significantly.
The performance hit is a bit of a bummer but maybe later iterations of DLSS will improve the performance as well.
i dont use path tracing since i dont think it is worth it on a 3070, and the performance drop for regular RT ultra from CNN to Transformer is almost 10fps! I do agree it looks sharper, maybe even more sharper than switching from DLSS balanced to DLSS quality where you'd also get a similar performance drop?
The question is, is it better to use DLSS performance + Transformer or DLSS balanced + CNN for better visuals at a similar framerate?
@@ImperialDiecast it takes away that horrible ghosting that NPCs have, so for that alone it is worth it but fos drop is quite severe too
That's a huge difference in performance
Nvidia giving it to 2000 3000 thank god
Test outside the city, the bushes had a lot of artifacts and I had to put CNN. I have a 4070ti
Apparently, when you use PT artifacts vanish. It's most probably a glitch, I'm guessing?
wow the new ray reconstruction really does a lot to remove that "boiling" denoising.
Nice testing.
Is that a RTSS overlay? Could you provide a link to it? I really like your layout.
Can u give us a tutorial on that overlay - clean af
Wow no ghosting! I can use dlss performance on fps games now
the new performance is on the same level as the quality was.
@ yeah but transformer performance looks almost as same as balanced cnn. Without ghosting
I'm interested to see the differences in frame gen using the transformer model as well on 40 series cards. Looks like we shld be able to use lower internal resolutions and get cnn 'quality' level output. This video is awesome... gonna grab that dll and get to it.
With the performance hit it might make more sense to test one higher upscaling level to match the performance and compare visuals
@@xDAKPRODUCTIONSx my other video has that and performance mode looked comparable to quality mode of 3.7
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Thx for detailed review of this technology. What is now difference between transformer dlss vs DLAA? As this is the most awesome technology that i wanna play that game. Best aa, ever. Also we need 6090, instead of 4090 AI/TI edition. I still feel 4090 and 5090 are great ultrawide gpus. I think they figure out with ai how to upgrade graphics so we can enjoy new games on weaker gpus. Now everything is possible. Still having 3070 in my pc, gaming is still great. But one day I wanna try ultrawide, find myself again in wow world.
I recently tried ultrawide too, it is hard to go back once you see it, so try at your own risk lol
DLSS and DLAA are same thing essentially just the render resolution is native with DLAA so it produces better image quality and AA, same gains that apply to DLSS from transformer model will apply to DLAA too, however since resolution is higher with DLAA it has less to gain in comparison to DLSS because DLAA is already sitting at better place.
@@S2GamesBench I wish ya perfect RTX5090 sitting in a box for review, near your house, for the channel. Special Delivery for S2GamesBench -"This is the person who deserves the best" note. A world where they even care for hard workers like you. Cause you do better than linus tech tips. I do know more after watching your vid than what they did. (wow they posted article in 22 min vid about nvidia having AI working for 6 years that upgrades DLSS for 6 years. Feels like linus guys are newbies as I fucking dont care.) Your vid is gold.
thank you very much, comments like this keep me motivated 😅👍
How are you people playing it without crashing? Cant play for long here with DLSS Transformer + ray reconstruction.
Can u make a tutorial about how to change preset and dlss4?
for this game you just select transformer model in game settings
However other games that use hard coded presets like Black Myth Wukong, extra step is required to change preset, use DLSSTweaks mod and change preset to G, preset G doesn't actually exist so game reverts to default preset of dll which is J.
Alternatively nvidia app can also be used when it gets updated which will do everything required with one click.
Looks like surfaces lost alot of detail with the transformer model which is already a problem with DLSS cnn
Ok honestly I feel like some of the videos are backwards lol. Like it should be MORE clear now, not less.
@@mhouchens262 Not at all. At this point, the CNN model had seen plenty of iterations and the new one is somewhat fresh. It'll take time for it to improve and surpass Nvidia's previous offering. In general, the new model should have a higher ceiling for potential. Needing to restart the training process is the only real downside to AI.
Disgusting. Looks like FSR. Killed all the details on the surfaces, turning them into soap.
why does it still look like a smeary oil painting dammit.
it dosent ingame
it looks better irl and in-game instead of seeing it on YT compressed honestly but yes there are some artifacts still but personally i don't notice them when I've played so far.
the real reason is it was dlss balanced at 1440p. Thats rendering at quite a low resolution. I would never use anything besides quality at 1440p.
@@carsonj4031 on the new transformer, its really not that bad at 1440p. id even say its good. I think the real problem here is cyberpunk itself, something about the way it handles LOD is... gross. real smeary and not very pleasing in general, even at native.
I compared DLSS4 Quility Transformer and Native in 1080P and i found almost no difference and I'm currently playing with DLSS instead of Native lol 10-15 fps more I can't really find a difference it looks nice it's just my opinion tho other people might think differently
Sorry for my english. I’ve notice the same thing but i notice a lower power consuption with transformer. This thing make me hope for the missing new driver come with some optimisationfor the new tecnology. I try the frame gen mod and some mod for the path tracing and i’ve reach 70 fps with fg on,dlss balanced and near zero imput lag in comparison at 2 month ago. This make me think about they also implement reflex 2.0
Frame Generation Mod ?
Shouldn’t we stiil wait for the new drivers to come out to everything work properly?
No thats only if you want DLSS override via the Nvidia app for non official supported games. Cyberpunk has official DLSS4 support, thats why you dont need the new 570 branch drivers.
Comparison in Ray Reconstruction, I see the cnn vs transformer model being compared. Can you just explain, are there two models in dlss 4.0? As I understand it by the standard, there is a J preset and a model called a transformer , and then what is CNN? And thank you very much for your hard work , excellent comparison , I wish you wealth and strength like Bruce Lee 😁👍
CNN is the model of DLSS that we have had until now. Transformer is new
@@Rostovgenchik presets are for upscaling where J is new preset and is transformer model.
For ray reconstruction, we have 2 options now, old CNN model and new transformer model that has been added with dlss 4
where i can get new one, to test on msfs 2024@@S2GamesBench
@@S2GamesBench Thanks a lot for the clarification. Is there any way to include this new model in the file responsible for reconstructing the best one, or is it already activated initially? As I understand it, you can't change the model in the options of the game itself?
@Rostovgenchik for cyberpunk you can, for other games you swap dll file then force preset G in dlsstweaks to get preset J in the game (J is new transformer model)
ray reconstruction costs 40% of my fps on a 2080ti at 4k if i use the new transformer model, but if i check it on 4080 with geforce now, it doesn't have any additional cost.
so i guess its down to slower tensor cores
where i can get the new dlss files ?
@@microsoftflightsimulator476 for time being on my discord server but should be on techpowerup soon if you wait
@S2GamesBench so does i need to change present to J or just copy and paste the new dlss files, and where the new fg dlss will available because i think the currently file i found is only for upscaling not fg on 4000 series
@@microsoftflightsimulator476 this link has all dll files, it is from a guru3d forum member - mega.nz/file/ZocG2bYC#0DlAMY9NAMDAyaKq91T_SM2CAhYn39qXysc6lZr_KIg
you should use dlsstweaks to force preset G, this will get you J instead which is transformer model
those few fps became even less
Can someone explain me what a point in this testing right now?
there was no drivers update. No official dlls4 release. What this test show us?
cyberpunk new update dlss 4
@@TheMrArnant with nvidia app update you will be able to force new transformer model easily from the app.
But as of now you can still force the new model manually
Cyberpunk though has added this to game settings itself.
If I use new Dlss version in God of war will it use cnn or transformer? 😅 I’ve tried it! And the pic looked oversharped to my opinion
transformer
If you can somehow get rtx4060ti to compare, then it would be nice... it has more AI TOPS, than rtx3090ti, so maybe this new DLSS with RR is going to be faster, while cards are very similar in performance.
@@zbigniew2628 yes impact is very low on new 50 series but higher on older cards
strangely, but fps didn't drop for me, stayed ~80-90 on RTX 4060, while visuals looks much cleaner
Can someone explain what's going on here? I was the one who was worried that the new transformer model will hit performance hard. But when i turned it on, I had 0 FPS loss and even +0.5 AVG FPS in Cyberpunk Benchmark (after several tests). But here I see -5 or -6 FPS drops..... I have 4070 GPU
cnn model is bit hard to apply from in game settings, many times you apply it and it will continue to say that cnn is in use but in actual game it will still be transformer model instead, for confirmation you can use dlsstweaks
It's because 40 series has 2x faster tensor cores than that of 30 series GPUs is why you have no hit in fps.
заметил новая Ray Reconstruction убрала мерцание на мелких деталях. но еще толком не тестил.
although it runs slower, it looks better
same graphucs card i am using and use dlss balanced in every game at 1440p and looks the same as quality.
С драйвером "Beta 571.96" нет падения фпс с новым DLSS
balanced TM>Quality CNN
Tbh, for 1440p I'd say performance TM > CNN quality.
Крайне высокое падение fps, надеюсь на релизе или после следующего обновления dlss 4 это исправят
how to add dlss 4 in rdr 2?
swap old dll file with new dll file, then use DLSSTweaks mod and change preset to G, preset G doesn't actually exist so game reverts to default preset of dll which is J.
Alternatively nvidia app can also be used when it gets updated which will do everything required with one click.
Your information overlay is too big. I can't see what's the difference between two models
Am i the only one who notice that "transformer" blurs all the details? Look @2:04...
First iteration that should hopefully go away, there's no directional velocity information to clean it up so its 100% AI
Can dlss 4 be used with cnn model instead of transformer. I don't mind the quality, but it seems it's dropping a few frames from what I've seen so far, especially on older gpus (i have a 4060 laptop) is the frame gen gonna be better with both cnn and transformer or is it exclusive to just transformer?
DLSS 4 with CNN model is DLSS 3.7, CNN option is given because transformer model is currently in beta
For frame gen, you could perhaps select transformer for FG while keeping old upscaling and RR dll so they remain on CNN
We still see a bit of the game, could you make the fps counter hud cover the whole screen?
Nice widyo
That a loot fps
You have to zoom in to see the differences?! I am disappointed with this release. After nvidia's presentation I thought the image of dlss4 will be clearly improved while maintaining the current performance. It turns out that the improvement in quality is small with a fps drop:/
Bro u have to zoom in to see the difference on RUclips. Check it in game yourself
dlss and all upscalers, when you move, everything becomes a blurry ai mess.
Way better then being at 30fps, on dlss quality u can barely tell it looks really good
That was apparently one of the major areas of improvement with DLSS4.
Also something that native can suffer from
Significant FPS drop, bravo!
-5 FPS to make the textures smudged 🤣
It looks... horrible wtf?! In the first comparison all textures are gone!
I really think the videos must be backwards in some of these clips lol. The entire idea was that the game would be MORE clear, not less. This makes no sense.
@@mhouchens262 Naw, thats cyberpunks fault
The performance drop with new DLSS doesn't worth it.
You can use a lower DLSS preset and get comparable performance with a better image. Also, the drop off on this 3070 is due to using ray reconstruction.
The new model is pretty much only worth it on 40 and 50 series
@@RabbitAndBush nope, upscaling is still worth using on older GPUs.
@RabbitAndBush what are you saying upscalers are more important for older gpus not new ones
too much of a performance hit