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Got to be my boy krillin, what are my favorite things ever was watching OG dragon Ball for the first time where he shows up, is a little bit of an antagonist to Goku has a change of heart they trained for the tournament, it always makes me smile
are we forgetting that most sayains are just born at their level and that was kind of THE WHOLE POINT of the battle between goku and vegeta like Hard work vs Talent oh wait i forgot, dragon ball fans haven't even watched their show
That’s completely wrong. What are you talking about? Looks never meant anything in regards to someone’s strength. If that were true, kid Goku wouldn’t be throwing around grown men that would throw him like a football in real life. Cabba’s strength is explained. He’s an evolved saiyan apart of a planetary defense force. Why do dragon ball fans not pay attention to their own series?
@@kamelo2219 that's such a dumbass excuse, so you mean to tell me that those 3 specific saiyans were born as a God? Reaching for the stars buddy just to justify garbage
To be fair it seems to be established that U7 Saiyans are built like that from the get go evolutionary wise, but because U6 avoided their civil war they didn't get the boost Kinda like how the growth spurt theory with Trunks and Goten became canon after so many years
@K.K.Station I see the logic and appreciate the input. Besides the missing tails, I couldn't really see any physical differences between the different universe Saiyan's. For example, Caulifa and her gang members, Cabba's master/superior. They all had King Vegeta/Nappa-esque bodies.
@@cxsh.out.a all of the pomp, pride, s--t talking, and confidence this man has shown through the entire series and you can't believe he might have been hyping his opponent up THIS one time?
People glazing Cabba thinking he’s on par with Base Vegeta. He wasn’t going to all out he treating like a teaching moment for Cabba. They claim that because Vegeta wanted speed things that’s him saying they’re equal.
I wish the anime staff would have changed his design to be a bit more buff. Cabba was created with Toriyama's modern style which makes all of his characters much skinnier. That'd be fine if the anime didn't seem to keep the former characters looking as they used to, making all the Universe 6 Saiyans look kinda outta place.
If he was buff, it would ruin the point of his character he’s a saying that lives on a peaceful world that never had a war Cabba being buff would ruin his character
@@dylanhudec979that's stupid. Nameks are generally peaceful, too, but they still train and get muscle. Goten and Trunks had muscle, before Buu, just because they trained. They gained SSJ1 just because they trained... during peace times!
@dylanhudec979 Uh.. no Cabba is a member of the saiyan defence force. They are peaceful in the sense they aren't invading worlds they but they are protecting them
I agree. The physique probably has a lot to do with it. Jiren and Broly(classic)are like the opposite end where they are so hyper jacked up that it blinds to the weaknesses of their character. Say my fav small character in DBZ Chichi
The problem with Cabba being as strong as he is, is that Vegeta and Goku needed to go hell and back (literally) to reach that power. While Cabba just needs to go space cop and reach god level already. So basically, one saiyan from U7 can completely obliterate the whole saiyan race (before the whole of DBZ happens) in U6. That's nuts.
@@lordgameboy1303 Being good doesnt mean you cant have muscle lol, I get its so his design conveys a more passive tone, but thats the point. His design doesnt convey strength whatsoever
@@idiotpai3758freeza didn’t convey strength when we first met him neither did most of the smaller characters yet we don’t question them. We got introduced to sayians from a different universe and it’s suddenly a problem. We don’t need Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale ball to understand that their universe is different
To be fair db really makes it difficult to gage power at times especially Super where the characters are just as strong as the plot needs them to be and just say they trained off screen when some characters were quite literally over 9000x behind in power lvl
I can’t take it seriously partially on that level, but also because he couldn’t even turn super saiyan, and seemed to be an all around inexperienced fighter. The Aiyana from universe six seemed WAY more peaceful. How is this man a god
I always thought of Kaaba as somebody that based trained much higher than regular Saiyan. At that they evolved to have tighter muscles because that made an appearance of diplomacy a lot easier. Do you think it's easy to negotiate with Hulk Hogan or The Rock.
I feel like the other reason cabba isn’t seen as strong is because as fans we seen the battles that goku and his friends been through. We seen the feats the villains have done as well or someone hypes them up for cabba none of that was done for him or the universe 6 sayians
My probem with Cabba is the lack of context behind why is he so strong. We as readers and watchers have a baseline understanding of what the average sayian is in the series, but with uni 6 our understanding of the average strength of a sayian is called into question at first viewing of Cabba. Additionally uni 6 sayian probably have an extremely high power level at birth akin to the Frieza race in uni 7.
Nah it’s because one they don’t have tails, so no evolutionary need for a thing that, will hinder zenkais Two: the universe 6 saiyans are protectors, they get rid of evildoers, they even have a peaceful environment for them to prosper, and evolve faster. Three: zenkais, the weakness of the saiyans in universe 7 vs 6 was their tails, and having to rely on the great ape vs, the other had no super saiyan, they had train more and could maximize their strength without need of a tail, thus if they get beaten they get back stronger.
I also think the problem is that cabba is skinny when he's super Saiyan 1,2 and his base form. We got the concept that u6 Saiyan don't have the muscle mass that u7 has...until we saw kale and caulifla..hell we saw caulifa's brother and he's basically nappa. We also see the 2 female Saiyan grow muscle when they transform. So that rule got broken. Don't even get me started on kefla. That being said, cabba is still cool
@@Gurd-f2z I don't see the contridiction in our hypothesis about the uni 6 sayians. It could be due to reasons you stated above that uni 6 sayians are built different.
@@sga1ac3 True, but the new characters are sayians. We know quite abit about them already. Its just these sayians "stir the pot", and that we are well aware of the journey that Goku and Vegeta went on to obtain their power.
Its so weird how overtime since Universe 6s introduction people forget that Universe 6 sayains are supposed to be based on Toriyama's at the time modern designs, if you look up his resurrection of F promo art drawn BY Toriyama and NOT Yamamuro who was the character designer at the time they all have Caba's build
the saiyans from cabba’s universe are all pretty thin in base form for saiyans. my head canon was that their muscle density is just far greater which is why they were already as strong as goku and vegeta at the start of dbs despite not really training . the way i see it cabba and the other two have higher genetic potential than universe 7 saiyans
Scrawny isn't a problem, but it is weird that they have 0 muscle definition. It's like seeing a lanky dude whose never so much as played a casual sport suddenly get off his couch and compete with the top MMA fighters of all time. Just feels weird
FACTS ,this happened with gamma 1 and 2 as well people where mad that piccolo was having such a hard time against the scrawny guys until the actual movie came out
@@Jolynesimpnumber4 Why does that matter? It's not like muscle mass really matters in dragon ball. Db characters use KI to blow up planets and use powers, not their abs. Their muscles are completely irrelevant.
It matters when your supposed to be taken like a threat, the gammas are robotic and actual androids, of course they're gonna be taken a bit seriously, even they're designs with it, but with cabba, you can't take him seriously, by design, and especially with his race, even tho he's from a different universe, it's still embarrassing, it might seem irrelevant, but in it's own way it's not, also people in dragon ball still train they're bodies even tho they are already powerful, the expections of like beerus is cuz he's a god, and he's always gonna stay youthful, so it doesn't matter to him, and frieza who has many forms that changes his appearance completely so he'll have muscle regardless @@sparkls4492
I whole heartedly agree with his power scalling but i feel like giving the uni 6 saiyans no muscle definition (besides kale when shes in her special ssj) was a really bad call since it just makes them look weak. You could argue that caulifla and kale are girls but even chi chi had more arm size than they do. They dont look like fighters at all, they look like children. Even brolly who isnt even near thier strengths when they first met him has insane muscle definition and size.
Unless Cabba was born with potential to be that strong, he should have a stronger physique to reflect that he went through almost as much physically as Vegeta.
the Saiyan beyond god thing is contradicted so many times its crazy, i believe what was really meant is that Goku xan use god ki in base now, not the actual powerboost from the transformation and while fighting Beerus he just retained the SSG power for a few more minutes before it completele run out thats the only way that statement makes any sense, cause no way can a 0 training Buu saga mystic Gohan fight SSB Goku if he really absorbed the SSG in base
I wont deny it. Whos stronger than who isnt important to me, but Canna and his crew just dont look like they fight. So theyre not cool. Thats about it for me. Im not gonna fight anyone over it tho. Its just a taste thing.
I feel like he shouldve had some muscle to him, like not enough to make him look jacked but enough to not make him look like that kid in school who looks like they'd blow away in the wind
Goku had multiple master, on Earth, in otherworld, and Whis. He's died on multiple occasions. He has fought legendary beings like Beerus, Frieza, and Buu. He obtained God Ki. Goku always train. Goku and Vegeta have been through a lot of the same shit. And then there's Cabba. Hell, even Broly's strength is off-putting. But I'll let it slide because he's a better character.
Cabba from Dragon Ball Super is strong, but comparing his power to Goku’s and Vegeta’s base forms depends on the context of their power levels at that point in the series. Here’s a breakdown: 1. Cabba’s Strength: Cabba is a Saiyan from Universe 6 and is shown to be a skilled fighter with a high level of power for his universe. In the Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Tournament, he fights Vegeta and demonstrates considerable strength. However, his power is not on the same level as Vegeta’s or Goku’s at that time. 2. Base Goku and Vegeta: By the time Cabba is introduced, Goku and Vegeta have already undergone immense training. They have mastered transformations like Super Saiyan Blue and trained with Whis, giving their base forms an astronomical power level compared to most other Saiyans. 3. Comparison in the Tournament: • During their fight, Vegeta defeats Cabba fairly easily in base form. This indicates that Cabba’s power is not close to Vegeta’s base form. • Later, Cabba transforms into a Super Saiyan, showing great potential, but even then, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan form is far superior. Conclusion: Cabba is not as strong as Goku or Vegeta in their base forms during Dragon Ball Super. While he has impressive potential as a Universe 6 Saiyan, Goku and Vegeta are on a completely different level due to their training and experience.
Honestly the main issue is the power creep. People could blow up planets from the start of z and now your saying some kids that engage in street fights are around ssg level strong at base which means if they clash at full power wouldn’t they be shaking the universe like battle of the gods? Also everyone has perfect ki control and doesn’t accidentally blow up the galaxy they live in by punching to hard when they aren’t very trained or disciplined.
lmaoo Thinking back even a lot of the SMALLER threats had some muscularity, Vegeta in the saiyan saga, Frieza in his final form, Imperfect Cell, Beerus was more lean muscle than Bulky Muscle which made sense why SS GOD replicated that, Kid Buu was like that doughy not lean muscle, Android 17 apparently was lean under his clothes from what we saw in ToP, Kid Goku had chubby strong arms when he flexed. Rewatch him killing the bear thief 🤣🤣But Cabba was thin THIN but could throw hands and for a Saiyan Its hilarious how it caught folks offguard haha
I also just don't care what anyone says. No amount of power level equations (which haven't mattered since the F'ing Frieza arc) will make me respect the other saiyans. Their designs, their drip, their battle prowess, their story, are all so boring and unearned. Everything about them is hamfisted. I'd have preferred Shallot become a main character before Cabba. At least that dude had a sick design.
He destroys the reputation dragon ball achieved until then, along with the teaching of "with hard work you can do anything". He didn't work hard and still is as powerful as the main cast
Honestly, Cabba by all standards shouldn't be as strong as base Vegeta in Super. For Granola and Gas it's explained why they are stronger, but Cabba pops up and he's suddenly at Vegeta's level, makes no sense.
I'm mad about how those tinglybacks appeared out of no where, and suddenly became as strong as the ones who earned it throughout years of hard work. Yet, the U6 Saiyans just chilled for years and even when they did the opposite of resting in the ToP, somehow they kept getting stronger that way too. The whole thing about this is that U6 Saiyans have unearned power. It's like someone exploiting in a game.
The thing about Cabba for me is that even if he is as strong as base Vegeta, if he turns Super Saiyan, then he is just as strong as Super Saiyan Vegeta. While I do believe that he should be somewhere around that level, I do not believe that Super Saiyan Cabba would be stronger than Super Saiyan Vegeta because Cabba in the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 Tournament Cabba just got that transformation and Vegeta has trained with it and perfected it through grade 3 and grade 4 and the perfected Super Saiyan form that Goku and Gohan achieved during the Cell Saga. So, Vegeta is more experienced and in-depth with the Super Saiyan transformation while Cabba just got it, so I don't think that he would scale exactly to Vegeta. Tell me what you all think.
It's like Disney's Hercules at the beginning of the movie is scrawny af but picked up the colossus statue without even exerting himself. Looks don't meant nothing when the world has different rules
A major component of it is that, with Saiyans especially, they've kind of become synonymous with their muscles. In almost every climactic fight in Z, our main protagonists had some means to show off their physique. Goku and Piccolo were both topless during their fight at the end of DB and against Raditz, Goku lost his top against both Vegeta and Freeza. Gohan had his torn to shreds by Cell and Goku has his ruined by Kid Buu. Vegeta has his guns out all of the Buu Arc, Trunks dusted off the wife beater when cleaning up his Androids, Gogeta spawns in showing his off with pride, even Tien and Roshi arent afraid to show off a little. To top it off we watched them earn those muscles. We watched Goku train Heaven or Earth, Gohan's time in the Time Chamber, and Vegeta tear himself apart in the Gravity Chamber. Then Cabba shows up with none of the muscle and all of the power, we dont inherently see the work that went to get that power. He just has it
people are mad cause usually 100% of the time if you have any sort of crazy strength youre going to have muscles its just common sense and normal biology
Because cabba directly contradicts what we know about saiyans, the saiyan with the greatest potential we’ve ever seen is broly, and he is the most muscular character in the whole series, unless cabba is half human, thats ruled out too, we know that for a sayain to get strong they have to train and get stronger or have someone to push them to that brink, cabba has seemingly done none of those,
Broly(the cannon one) came after cabba. And this is kinda normal vegeta was tiny compared to nappa yet was way stronger. It's kinda a trope in dB that the small ones are the most dangerous. Also Universe 6 ≠ Universe 7
Side note, saiyans don’t appear to age once they’ve hit their prime until they reach like 80ish years old, so it could be entirely possible for the universe 6 saiyans to be anywhere from 18 to their mid 30’s
Part of it has to do with how super saiyans work. Toriyama stated that super saiyan 2 and 3 are just the base super saiyan form but chugging through their power at a faster rate to boost their output and if they mastered their base form and SS1 they would have no need for further forms (This is why mystic/potential unleashed Gohan just looks like regular gohan.)
I also think the problem is that cabba is skinny when he's super Saiyan 1,2 and his base form. We got the concept that u6 Saiyan don't have the muscle mass that u7 has...until we saw kale and caulifla..hell we saw caulifa's brother and he's basically nappa. We also see the 2 female Saiyan grow muscle when they transform. So that rule got broken. Don't even get me started on kefla. That being said, can a is still cool
Thats why I always liked the contrast between Universe 6's Saiyan to Universe 7's. Similar yet different. They evolved past the need for big muscles and tails
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Got to be my boy krillin, what are my favorite things ever was watching OG dragon Ball for the first time where he shows up, is a little bit of an antagonist to Goku has a change of heart they trained for the tournament, it always makes me smile
android 17
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Favorite small dragon ball character would have to be Krillen by a mile
The Pokémon and Caillou.
I'd be salty too if I got my ass beat by spaghetti
😂😂😂
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Skill issue
@@moopersworthninjason42nd81how is that a skill issue
@@Not-the-Real-Sun-Robloxcuz Cabba solos us!!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
The problem is that a Character like Beerus is thin and scrawny, but his arms arent undefined pool noodles
But he's a destroyer and he explained that divine beings don't need it
Beerus design absolutely slaps
Boy looks like a god
Also cause well
We have seen him
And hes prove that he could solo lol
They were lazy with the universe 7 sayians or whatever and people give them a pass for some reason
@ ?
In a show that explains about how someone is so powerful via looks or backstory, cabba ends up lacking both, and that's the problem.
He's part of the interplanetary police force in his universe.
What kind of backstory are you looking for?
are we forgetting that most sayains are just born at their level and that was kind of THE WHOLE POINT of the battle between goku and vegeta like Hard work vs Talent oh wait i forgot, dragon ball fans haven't even watched their show
Someone gets it
That’s completely wrong. What are you talking about? Looks never meant anything in regards to someone’s strength. If that were true, kid Goku wouldn’t be throwing around grown men that would throw him like a football in real life.
Cabba’s strength is explained. He’s an evolved saiyan apart of a planetary defense force.
Why do dragon ball fans not pay attention to their own series?
@@kamelo2219 that's such a dumbass excuse, so you mean to tell me that those 3 specific saiyans were born as a God? Reaching for the stars buddy just to justify garbage
The fact that Krillin and Kid Gohan (not even teen yet) is buffer than Cabba still boggles my mind though
To be fair it seems to be established that U7 Saiyans are built like that from the get go evolutionary wise, but because U6 avoided their civil war they didn't get the boost
Kinda like how the growth spurt theory with Trunks and Goten became canon after so many years
@K.K.Station I see the logic and appreciate the input. Besides the missing tails, I couldn't really see any physical differences between the different universe Saiyan's. For example, Caulifa and her gang members, Cabba's master/superior. They all had King Vegeta/Nappa-esque bodies.
@@Mixman1133the Sayians home planet had weaker gravity than Planet Vegeta's.
I defend the fact that Base Vegeta was just being nice simply because he found more living Sayians and didn't want to demoralize him right off the bat
Then why did he said their equal to himself?
@@Someguynamedgokan the same reason you don't go full force when rough housing with a kid
the cope is crazy
@@cxsh.out.a all of the pomp, pride, s--t talking, and confidence this man has shown through the entire series and you can't believe he might have been hyping his opponent up THIS one time?
@@James_Stan808 he didn't tho? He literally said that their equal to himself
He's just an eyesore.
People glazing Cabba thinking he’s on par with Base Vegeta. He wasn’t going to all out he treating like a teaching moment for Cabba. They claim that because Vegeta wanted speed things that’s him saying they’re equal.
Vegeta himself said cabba in base is equal to him@@MrDoverfield
@@sujyching484 I watched the fight didn’t Vegeta said the fight would be long meaning Vegeta could’ve won given enough time?
@@MrDoverfield ssj blue bro
@@sujyching484 Vegeta wanted to speed up the fight going ssj
So what you’re saying is, Cabba lacks aura?
He doesn't just lack aura.
He has the inverse of aura.
He has b**ch energy.
lacking aura yet still beating ass is an aura itself
@fakewho.did he beat 😅account9376
I wish the anime staff would have changed his design to be a bit more buff. Cabba was created with Toriyama's modern style which makes all of his characters much skinnier. That'd be fine if the anime didn't seem to keep the former characters looking as they used to, making all the Universe 6 Saiyans look kinda outta place.
If he was buff, it would ruin the point of his character he’s a saying that lives on a peaceful world that never had a war Cabba being buff would ruin his character
@@dylanhudec979that's stupid. Nameks are generally peaceful, too, but they still train and get muscle.
Goten and Trunks had muscle, before Buu, just because they trained. They gained SSJ1 just because they trained... during peace times!
@dylanhudec979
Uh.. no Cabba is a member of the saiyan defence force. They are peaceful in the sense they aren't invading worlds they but they are protecting them
he should at least look like ssg goku or something. anything but noodle arms
@@AllMight6so basically a police man instead of John Rambo?
That’s the thing. He’s not built like that. He’s built like super
The designer probably drew stick figure out of boredom and his boss said "THATS IT, THATS A SAIYAN"
The designer was Toriyama
@diegoantoniofrias9309 even geniuses can have the worst ideas
In the manga he actually has some muscles and isn't a complete twig 😭The anime just did him dirty.
No he was still pretty skinny. He only had muscles on the cover of one if the volumes.
@@acegameravery9488nahh I remember seeing his muscles quite frequently
@ I remember his muscles having outlines sometimes, but his arms were still really skinny.
Skinny but defined is something I think fans would've been a lot more receptive to
I agree. The physique probably has a lot to do with it. Jiren and Broly(classic)are like the opposite end where they are so hyper jacked up that it blinds to the weaknesses of their character.
Say my fav small character in DBZ Chichi
Writing of their Characters, is what you speak of?
If he looked like Kid Gohan when he was swimming no one would be pissed.
Cabba being skinny is one of the biggest fumbles in DBS ngl
Cabbage an adult!?!?!?
Base Cabba has all the aura. He gets all the ladies with his noodle arms.
The problem with Cabba being as strong as he is, is that Vegeta and Goku needed to go hell and back (literally) to reach that power. While Cabba just needs to go space cop and reach god level already.
So basically, one saiyan from U7 can completely obliterate the whole saiyan race (before the whole of DBZ happens) in U6. That's nuts.
I mean wheres he getting this power from?
0 God Ki
0 Muscle
He looks like kid goku could beat him in base
He’s a solider on his world, they’re space mercenaries and peacekeepers instead of pirates on their world.
@@lordgameboy1303 Being good doesnt mean you cant have muscle lol, I get its so his design conveys a more passive tone, but thats the point. His design doesnt convey strength whatsoever
@@lordgameboy1303 I would think pirates will be just as big and strong
@@idiotpai3758 if he had muscles it would ruin the point of his whole fucking character
@@idiotpai3758freeza didn’t convey strength when we first met him neither did most of the smaller characters yet we don’t question them. We got introduced to sayians from a different universe and it’s suddenly a problem. We don’t need Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale ball to understand that their universe is different
PLEASE CABBA I NEED THIS 😢
Meanwhile Gohan is built like a librarian and everyone seems fine with him💀
To be fair db really makes it difficult to gage power at times especially Super where the characters are just as strong as the plot needs them to be and just say they trained off screen when some characters were quite literally over 9000x behind in power lvl
I can’t take it seriously partially on that level, but also because he couldn’t even turn super saiyan, and seemed to be an all around inexperienced fighter. The Aiyana from universe six seemed WAY more peaceful. How is this man a god
I always thought of Kaaba as somebody that based trained much higher than regular Saiyan. At that they evolved to have tighter muscles because that made an appearance of diplomacy a lot easier. Do you think it's easy to negotiate with Hulk Hogan or The Rock.
Fan art for super still be looking better original ngl
This Makes Me More Angry Than It Should 💀💀
How is cabba so strong? He's a literal toothpick.
It's not always about the muscles, but them Saiyan genes
When you have Cell Saga Gohan, heck, even Saiyan Saga Piccolo's training Gohan having more meat on his guns than Kabba
I feel like the other reason cabba isn’t seen as strong is because as fans we seen the battles that goku and his friends been through. We seen the feats the villains have done as well or someone hypes them up for cabba none of that was done for him or the universe 6 sayians
My probem with Cabba is the lack of context behind why is he so strong. We as readers and watchers have a baseline understanding of what the average sayian is in the series, but with uni 6 our understanding of the average strength of a sayian is called into question at first viewing of Cabba. Additionally uni 6 sayian probably have an extremely high power level at birth akin to the Frieza race in uni 7.
Nah it’s because one they don’t have tails, so no evolutionary need for a thing that, will hinder zenkais
Two: the universe 6 saiyans are protectors, they get rid of evildoers, they even have a peaceful environment for them to prosper, and evolve faster.
Three: zenkais, the weakness of the saiyans in universe 7 vs 6 was their tails, and having to rely on the great ape vs, the other had no super saiyan, they had train more and could maximize their strength without need of a tail, thus if they get beaten they get back stronger.
I also think the problem is that cabba is skinny when he's super Saiyan 1,2 and his base form. We got the concept that u6 Saiyan don't have the muscle mass that u7 has...until we saw kale and caulifla..hell we saw caulifa's brother and he's basically nappa. We also see the 2 female Saiyan grow muscle when they transform. So that rule got broken. Don't even get me started on kefla. That being said, cabba is still cool
@@Gurd-f2z I don't see the contridiction in our hypothesis about the uni 6 sayians. It could be due to reasons you stated above that uni 6 sayians are built different.
this is dragon ball. mostly every new set of characters introduced are stronger than the last
@@sga1ac3 True, but the new characters are sayians. We know quite abit about them already. Its just these sayians "stir the pot", and that we are well aware of the journey that Goku and Vegeta went on to obtain their power.
Its so weird how overtime since Universe 6s introduction people forget that Universe 6 sayains are supposed to be based on Toriyama's at the time modern designs, if you look up his resurrection of F promo art drawn BY Toriyama and NOT Yamamuro who was the character designer at the time they all have Caba's build
Same reason why vegeta himself didn’t take majin buu seriously 😂
It going to lie. I do like Cabba, but I do wish he had a tat more muscle on him.
No, that won’t look good at all
@@dylanhudec979 I think he needs it.
@@hohikooc8363he's much funnier without having it ngl, seeing him throw hands despite his skinny build is amusing
Tbh idc about muscle just stopping using him to hype up Kale and Kalifa I like him to he needs more respect on his name
@ Respect it, but I still want more muscle.
Really goes to show how important character design is when trying to convey power
Super had the worst power scaling imaginable
the saiyans from cabba’s universe are all pretty thin in base form for saiyans. my head canon was that their muscle density is just far greater which is why they were already as strong as goku and vegeta at the start of dbs despite not really training . the way i see it cabba and the other two have higher genetic potential than universe 7 saiyans
They'd have more defined muscle in that case. They have the muscle definition of a silicone pipe
Scrawny isn't a problem, but it is weird that they have 0 muscle definition. It's like seeing a lanky dude whose never so much as played a casual sport suddenly get off his couch and compete with the top MMA fighters of all time. Just feels weird
FACTS ,this happened with gamma 1 and 2 as well people where mad that piccolo was having such a hard time against the scrawny guys until the actual movie came out
They were machines buddy. Different altogether. Remember android 18. No muscle definition but beat the crap out of super Saigon vegeta.
@@SymetricRavensuper saigon lol, hate auto correct
Okay but I accepted Gamma 1& 2 because they were Androids inorganic
@@Jolynesimpnumber4 Why does that matter? It's not like muscle mass really matters in dragon ball. Db characters use KI to blow up planets and use powers, not their abs. Their muscles are completely irrelevant.
It matters when your supposed to be taken like a threat, the gammas are robotic and actual androids, of course they're gonna be taken a bit seriously, even they're designs with it, but with cabba, you can't take him seriously, by design, and especially with his race, even tho he's from a different universe, it's still embarrassing, it might seem irrelevant, but in it's own way it's not, also people in dragon ball still train they're bodies even tho they are already powerful, the expections of like beerus is cuz he's a god, and he's always gonna stay youthful, so it doesn't matter to him, and frieza who has many forms that changes his appearance completely so he'll have muscle regardless @@sparkls4492
I whole heartedly agree with his power scalling but i feel like giving the uni 6 saiyans no muscle definition (besides kale when shes in her special ssj) was a really bad call since it just makes them look weak. You could argue that caulifla and kale are girls but even chi chi had more arm size than they do. They dont look like fighters at all, they look like children. Even brolly who isnt even near thier strengths when they first met him has insane muscle definition and size.
Daaaaamn, so that's why I can't take him seriously
Unless Cabba was born with potential to be that strong, he should have a stronger physique to reflect that he went through almost as much physically as Vegeta.
well nobody is arguing that he shouldn't have muscle tone, its just people using the lack of muscle tone to ignore whats shown
"The majorty of people would shut up" huh?? He got ssj 2 his back tingling and vegeta said they were equal in power in base, how tf would i not be mad
cabba didn't get any forms via back tingling
he was equal to vegeta in base
you're angry about a show you didn't watch
This makes a lot of sense, also love the Digimon crest
the Saiyan beyond god thing is contradicted so many times its crazy, i believe what was really meant is that Goku xan use god ki in base now, not the actual powerboost from the transformation
and while fighting Beerus he just retained the SSG power for a few more minutes before it completele run out
thats the only way that statement makes any sense, cause no way can a 0 training Buu saga mystic Gohan fight SSB Goku if he really absorbed the SSG in base
another thing is why would it only happen once? they could just spam SSG and get infinite power boost if that was really the case
Yeah if cabba was buffer id have a significantly less problem accepting his power level
I wont deny it. Whos stronger than who isnt important to me, but Canna and his crew just dont look like they fight. So theyre not cool. Thats about it for me. Im not gonna fight anyone over it tho. Its just a taste thing.
Am I sped for thinking cabba was a teenage girl at first?
No
I feel like he shouldve had some muscle to him, like not enough to make him look jacked but enough to not make him look like that kid in school who looks like they'd blow away in the wind
It’s the cross he must bear…love you bro ❤😂
Goku had multiple master, on Earth, in otherworld, and Whis. He's died on multiple occasions. He has fought legendary beings like Beerus, Frieza, and Buu. He obtained God Ki. Goku always train. Goku and Vegeta have been through a lot of the same shit.
And then there's Cabba. Hell, even Broly's strength is off-putting. But I'll let it slide because he's a better character.
To be fair dragon Ball z itself has played a huge part in the people thinking this way..
Give that boi a sandwich, and then I'll believe how strong he supposedly is.
Cabba from Dragon Ball Super is strong, but comparing his power to Goku’s and Vegeta’s base forms depends on the context of their power levels at that point in the series. Here’s a breakdown:
1. Cabba’s Strength:
Cabba is a Saiyan from Universe 6 and is shown to be a skilled fighter with a high level of power for his universe. In the Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Tournament, he fights Vegeta and demonstrates considerable strength. However, his power is not on the same level as Vegeta’s or Goku’s at that time.
2. Base Goku and Vegeta:
By the time Cabba is introduced, Goku and Vegeta have already undergone immense training. They have mastered transformations like Super Saiyan Blue and trained with Whis, giving their base forms an astronomical power level compared to most other Saiyans.
3. Comparison in the Tournament:
• During their fight, Vegeta defeats Cabba fairly easily in base form. This indicates that Cabba’s power is not close to Vegeta’s base form.
• Later, Cabba transforms into a Super Saiyan, showing great potential, but even then, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan form is far superior.
Conclusion:
Cabba is not as strong as Goku or Vegeta in their base forms during Dragon Ball Super. While he has impressive potential as a Universe 6 Saiyan, Goku and Vegeta are on a completely different level due to their training and experience.
This is my entire beef with it, yeah
Can’t lie if he had a much better build I probs would have played him in sparking zero
I imagine even scalers would want their topdog to at least convincingly look strong
He’s absolutely right.
Honestly the main issue is the power creep. People could blow up planets from the start of z and now your saying some kids that engage in street fights are around ssg level strong at base which means if they clash at full power wouldn’t they be shaking the universe like battle of the gods? Also everyone has perfect ki control and doesn’t accidentally blow up the galaxy they live in by punching to hard when they aren’t very trained or disciplined.
It's weird How there's still a planet sadala If universe 6 sayians are that strong,than eventually a suicidal terrorist would blow up the planet.
At least in the manga Toyotaro gave him something.. I think. For Super Saiyan 2 at the very least.
Cool Digimon necklace and fantastic video
Is bro wearing the crest of courage
Always do lol
@JaxBlade I love, and I hate to ask, but where did you get it?
For me it was the whole peaceful passivity who could even go super somehow reach god level. But than vegeta couldn’t lift 10k so whatever.
Considering how the art style of Super slimmed everyone down, I can only assume that's how Cabba would have looked if he'd appeared in Z
you’re exactly right, cabba looks dumb as shit. Sending SSJ4 Gogeta his way
Honestly I feel like if cabba had some muscle definition people would take him more seriously
I can believe it’s just he’s so scrawny it’s hard to believe 😭
Did they forget about beerus's toothpick build?😭 Or Janemba's Godzilla build?!💀
lmaoo Thinking back even a lot of the SMALLER threats had some muscularity, Vegeta in the saiyan saga, Frieza in his final form, Imperfect Cell, Beerus was more lean muscle than Bulky Muscle which made sense why SS GOD replicated that, Kid Buu was like that doughy not lean muscle, Android 17 apparently was lean under his clothes from what we saw in ToP, Kid Goku had chubby strong arms when he flexed. Rewatch him killing the bear thief 🤣🤣But Cabba was thin THIN but could throw hands and for a Saiyan Its hilarious how it caught folks offguard haha
I also just don't care what anyone says. No amount of power level equations (which haven't mattered since the F'ing Frieza arc) will make me respect the other saiyans. Their designs, their drip, their battle prowess, their story, are all so boring and unearned. Everything about them is hamfisted. I'd have preferred Shallot become a main character before Cabba. At least that dude had a sick design.
Goten and trunks are built different 😂😂😂
He destroys the reputation dragon ball achieved until then, along with the teaching of "with hard work you can do anything".
He didn't work hard and still is as powerful as the main cast
Cabba has trained for YEARS as a member of the Saiyan royal army. You clearly didn't watch the show
@@lukejones7164 Bro could have SSJ-SSJ2 at this point having that training shit, WHERE IS THIS SHIT BEFORE VEGETA TEACHING HIM?
honestly its not just because of cabba looking like a pencil, its because his character is garbage in general
Honestly, Cabba by all standards shouldn't be as strong as base Vegeta in Super. For Granola and Gas it's explained why they are stronger, but Cabba pops up and he's suddenly at Vegeta's level, makes no sense.
I'm mad about how those tinglybacks appeared out of no where, and suddenly became as strong as the ones who earned it throughout years of hard work. Yet, the U6 Saiyans just chilled for years and even when they did the opposite of resting in the ToP, somehow they kept getting stronger that way too. The whole thing about this is that U6 Saiyans have unearned power. It's like someone exploiting in a game.
Java actually looked pretty bad ass with the muscle tone. I don’t think it would have hurt anyone to actually have him be SLIGHTLY buff 🤷🏾♂️
The thing about Cabba for me is that even if he is as strong as base Vegeta, if he turns Super Saiyan, then he is just as strong as Super Saiyan Vegeta. While I do believe that he should be somewhere around that level, I do not believe that Super Saiyan Cabba would be stronger than Super Saiyan Vegeta because Cabba in the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 Tournament Cabba just got that transformation and Vegeta has trained with it and perfected it through grade 3 and grade 4 and the perfected Super Saiyan form that Goku and Gohan achieved during the Cell Saga. So, Vegeta is more experienced and in-depth with the Super Saiyan transformation while Cabba just got it, so I don't think that he would scale exactly to Vegeta.
Tell me what you all think.
I think that's what makes Cabba great though. He's like the Mimikyu of Saiyans,
What gets to me is how the universe 6 saiyans just focus on a point on their back to transform😂
Yes he looks way more badass with those muscles😂
It's basically Nostalgia bias vs common sense at this point
I would have liked super more if they drew him like that
It's like Disney's Hercules at the beginning of the movie is scrawny af but picked up the colossus statue without even exerting himself. Looks don't meant nothing when the world has different rules
I would always think the first time you go Super Saiyan the boost + Rage makes you have an advantage over anyone
My goat stays spittin these based takes
Is it wild to believe that if you were as strong as vageta, you'd have just a little muscle. Does universe 6 just have a bunch of sleeper builds?
A major component of it is that, with Saiyans especially, they've kind of become synonymous with their muscles. In almost every climactic fight in Z, our main protagonists had some means to show off their physique. Goku and Piccolo were both topless during their fight at the end of DB and against Raditz, Goku lost his top against both Vegeta and Freeza. Gohan had his torn to shreds by Cell and Goku has his ruined by Kid Buu. Vegeta has his guns out all of the Buu Arc, Trunks dusted off the wife beater when cleaning up his Androids, Gogeta spawns in showing his off with pride, even Tien and Roshi arent afraid to show off a little. To top it off we watched them earn those muscles. We watched Goku train Heaven or Earth, Gohan's time in the Time Chamber, and Vegeta tear himself apart in the Gravity Chamber. Then Cabba shows up with none of the muscle and all of the power, we dont inherently see the work that went to get that power. He just has it
it’s bc of new gen anime, so ofc when they wouldn’t get all muscular as they were back in the 80s - early 2000s
Cabba isn't necessarily my favorite character, but I like him too
people are mad cause usually 100% of the time if you have any sort of crazy strength youre going to have muscles its just common sense and normal biology
I wished DBS was animated like DBS Broly was but sometimes can't get what you want wish sucks
Because cabba directly contradicts what we know about saiyans, the saiyan with the greatest potential we’ve ever seen is broly, and he is the most muscular character in the whole series, unless cabba is half human, thats ruled out too, we know that for a sayain to get strong they have to train and get stronger or have someone to push them to that brink, cabba has seemingly done none of those,
Broly(the cannon one) came after cabba.
And this is kinda normal vegeta was tiny compared to nappa yet was way stronger.
It's kinda a trope in dB that the small ones are the most dangerous.
Also Universe 6 ≠ Universe 7
PLEASE CABBA I NEED THIS
If he isn't built like trunks in top2 then we riot 😂
Cabba looks like a fairly odd parents character . I cannot ever take him seriously
Side note, saiyans don’t appear to age once they’ve hit their prime until they reach like 80ish years old, so it could be entirely possible for the universe 6 saiyans to be anywhere from 18 to their mid 30’s
The funny part is the biggest theme in dbz is that appearances are urelevant to power 💀
Part of it has to do with how super saiyans work. Toriyama stated that super saiyan 2 and 3 are just the base super saiyan form but chugging through their power at a faster rate to boost their output and if they mastered their base form and SS1 they would have no need for further forms (This is why mystic/potential unleashed Gohan just looks like regular gohan.)
I also think the problem is that cabba is skinny when he's super Saiyan 1,2 and his base form. We got the concept that u6 Saiyan don't have the muscle mass that u7 has...until we saw kale and caulifla..hell we saw caulifa's brother and he's basically nappa. We also see the 2 female Saiyan grow muscle when they transform. So that rule got broken. Don't even get me started on kefla. That being said, can a is still cool
If Cabba was built like Vegeta, nobody would question whether he could beat SSJ4 Gogeta.
People really cant comprehend a smaller guy being strong
In the manga cabba was shredded as hell💀💀💀
Buff Cabba looks like Cell Saga Gohan
Thats why I always liked the contrast between Universe 6's Saiyan to Universe 7's. Similar yet different. They evolved past the need for big muscles and tails