Tree tumours are GMOs but they're not made by humans
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Those lumps you see on trees are sometimes caused by agrobacterium. They inject DNA into the plant causing it to grow a tumour that makes nutrients for the bacteria. It's a form of natural genetic engineering. And scientist now use agrobacterium to genetically modify plants by switching out the payload DNA.
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Horizontal Gene Transfer is amazing, especially when it happens between different taxonomic kingdoms!
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Still, not the most percise method. Otherwise we would not get so excited about crispr cas 9,which is still far from perfect. But yeah sh*t's amaizing and a bit terrifying, but amaizing non the less. I wonder if there is lika a plant with some random fish dna from algee or something.
chris p Fish dna maybe, but definitely viral dna. I know sweet potatoes have taken much of their genome from retroviruses.
@@bernhardname8098 I'm sorry I want the fish-free veggies.
Lol that actually might be the thing to say in the future. But at the same time you can get the fish taste possibly but not the fish itself so it might be more eco-friendly sounds kind of weird though
I recall eating Rogue Lemons as a kid. tasted awfull, then my father advised me to not do so (Back in 75ish- when I was 5)
PS The first time in a long time I have heard the word gnarly used close to its original form. in recent years it has gnarled into many different meanings.
Time to burn the trees
That stock footage of the lady putting that syringe into the corn got me.
Sage King 😂😂😂
Me too 😂 Had to watch it 5x more
It made me lol out loud
No!!! Not like this!
Lmao
i always thought the lumps on trees were just where branches had been cut off and bark had grown over the top to protect it
That happens. But it's not the cause of knots
Then it turns out it's actually the tree having sexual relations with bacteria.
pretty sure this is a possible outcome of what you described
@Paradoxical Nightmare unsightly? those things sell for bank because they make such beautiful pieces when fashioned
hang da clown yea but for most people they’re unsightly
Im a tree surgeon AND a wood turner , people go round stealing "tree tumours" hard to believe aint it lol , its big business get one of those 2 foot across and 18 inches deep and your looking at £300+
Interesting!
Fuck I seen so many of those on cut down trees even saw one that was a 3 footer I actually took it home with me but my parents threw it out 😱
So someone can start an industry around cultured tree tumors where they inflict a wound then infect it with agrobacteria
Can it be controlled? Seems like an industry opportunity, but I’ve never heard of it
@@praveenb9048 Not really they take 50 years to grow :-)
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Lol thanks for sharing that. I enjoyed that short story. Pretty funny tbh! 🤦♂️
I have a book on nuclei and particle physics. one paragraph will knock you out. a page is the equivalent of a medically induced coma.
Great story. That made my day
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"Not like this, what the hell?"
literally what i was thinking during that clip
I found that funny before it came up in the video.
Can someone explain
@@DiamondSan7 At 4:25 the clip is probably some stock footage of a "scientist" "making" a GMO, but that is not anywhere near how human-made GMOs are made
Bacteria seizes the means of production, how revolutionary.
Yeah, Commies have always reminded me of bacterium or virus, and not one that is keen on symbiosis. Cancer is also a good analogy for socialism, and vice versa.
@@Willy_Tepes get your head out of that propaganda lol
That's viewing a tree as an object and a bacteria as a living thing.
Realistically it's more like farming.
What are you doing when you plant a crop solely to eat it?
Not exactly a great outcome for the plants themselves...
@@KuraIthys Do fleas see their host as a living thing or an object? Do we see Earth as an object? Do you see a tree as an object when you cut it down for lumber? What is a chicken wrapped in plastic, is that a thing? Did you know that your vegetables are alive even when chopped and diced, and on there way down your throat? They are alive when you put them on your stove. Man, those are some deep thoughts.
@@KuraIthys the bacteria seizes the nutrients from the plant causing it to die; I'm not saying that the plant isn't living. Also calling the plant the means of production or an object doesn't imply that it isn't living. Furthermore, cultivation is the greatest outcome for a plant as it won't be sterilized and it'll build up an immune system suitable to react to tiny collectivists under the care of a farmer who have a financial incentive to preserve the plant.
The parallels between biohacking and computer hacking are staggering. It's really neat that we're reverse engineering existing "hacks" to suit our own purposes, sometimes even as tools to reverse engineer more complex biological systems.
I mean DNA is basically machine code, so it makes sense that they're similar.
Yep, if you want to learn more, check out The Thought Emporium. He does very interesting experiments in various fields of science, from biology to physics, including genetic engineering.
@@GRBtutorials Yep, I subbed to him a while back for his amateur radio and laser stuff, but the biohacking was also really cool. He used a similar plasmid-based gene transfer to cure himself of lactose intolerance by infecting his intestinal bacteria with lactase producing genes, IIRC.
@@danieljensen2626 Actually DNA is something between machine code and higher level language. Things "programmed" into DNA are transcript or expressed (or compiled like in the analogy) into RNA, enzymes or proteins to actually do anything. So they are more like machine code (or maybe more like bytecode), not the DNA. But the whole analogy fails on so many levels that it is hard to say, which interpretation is less wrong.
@@user255 the analogy fails because it is at least an order of magnitude out of focus(neurons) and really computers a more accurately described as very very simple/primitive(dont like the word primitive) brains,
Also on the being order of magnitude out of focus its worth pointing out that biology is soo much more complicated than mere computers(or any technology ever built by man) that comparing the two is only vaguely or even superficially similar as the function may be similar but the difference in complexity is immense.
“Agrobacterium was doing it before it was cool” - lmao so is genetic engineering biomimicry?
Pretty much, yeah.
Genetic engineering uses agrobacterium most of the time
Quite literally, yes.
Recombinant DNA technologists actually use Agrobacterium tumefaciens
Yes
An extra note is that the "food" gene the Agrobacterium encodes for is a novel group of molecules called Opines that only the bacteria can metabolise ensuring that only it can enjoy the fruits.
This is very interesting after i have taken my AP Bio class, i find that your explanations are quick yet somewhat detailed. Obviously there is some information missing, but it covers what is important.
I agree. Good job
You also taking the 2 question exam?
"Or, like, Ent genes or something"
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Sex pilus
My closed captioning keeps talking about the "sex police!"
@@jeffreym68 that reminds me of the introduction of amy pond in doctor who
Auto-generated subtitles give it as "sex palace".
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I have a graduate degree in plant biotech and I have made GMO plants using Agrobacterium (and other methods as well). You did a very good job explaining this process. If you are interested in hearing more about the genetic modification going on to restore the American chestnut tree, hit me up.
In a time when everyone talks about the covid, Steve talks about super duper interesting e genuine things. Thanks, Steve, that helps
Covid is very genuine and serious, don't you think?
Corona virus to
It same way with this
Wurtt Mapper yea but people have lives
Hey Mark, I'm a biology student in the Netherlands, and I have a professor who did a lot of research into the vir genes (especially vir F) of A. Tumefaciens. And loves to talk about this. I love to see these kinds of videos that communicate such an intricate topic in such an interesting and engaging way.
Always looks like Steve just woke up from a nap, but reluctantly does the video anyway
if I have learned anything from overwatch is that the payload will never get pushed
It's important to note that Agrobacterium transferring genes to plants doesn't always end in tragedy. Sometimes the genes end up adding to the genome of the targeted plant and not having a detrimental effect. A good example of this is Sweet potato, which after they picked up a copy of agrobacterium DNA developed bigger (and tastier) roots. This attracted the attention of humans, who obligating spread the plant around the world.
Strange example, my friend. Both properties you named ("the bigger" and "the tastier") are very obvious to be detrimental to the plant.
@@alexeynezhdanov2362 Not really. Developing bigger tastier roots allowed the sweet potato to form a symbiotic relationship with humans who obligingly spread them around the entire world. And it continues to be a survival trait, just look at how hard humans work to propagate and protect sweet potatoes.
Granted most of those sweet potatoes end up on plates, but as far as the survival of the species goes it's a big win. As long as there are humans there will be fields of sweet potatoes, being watered, fertilized, protected from competing plants (weeds) and predators (pests).
I like the simplicity of your videos. For most sciency videos i watch i only ever click on them when im feeling at my best but with yours it could be the middle of the night and i would still feel like i really understood the concepts.
@@Peter_1986 i literally have a row of sciency books that where way too arduous to finish. Despite doing an engineering degree at a top uni those books just made me feel so incompetent
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4:29 had a good chuckle there
I was thinking the exact same thing lol
That's what those soccer moms on Facebook think GMOs are.
*@Vivek Acharya* So that’s why they’re against vaccines.
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Cool sponsor too, I'm really interested in meditation. Great video as always. :)
You forgot to say how we snip that section for plasmids, the enzymes we use are hijacked from a bacteria's virus defense mechanism where they cut up specific codes of DNA. The ones with nice, long, non-palindromic ends (after they're cut) work well for attaching our payloads which are usually an antibiotic resistance and what we want the bacteria to produce. Its really easy to do in practice compared to cas9 and the like. like how you can exploit the defense mechanisms of the bacteria to make it your workhorse, its almost ironic.
That might have gotten too in depth for the non-gene savvy person to follow. I think he did a respectable job keeping this to it's core components without getting to technical. Don't you?
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I learned this in college and it was profoundly interesting!!
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One of our trees had some tumors.
I just hammered them off.
Yes, you read that right, I hammered them off with an actual 5kg Hammer.
That in itself is interesting in that sense, that the tumor was seemingly being seperated by the tree. After hammering off the tumor, the open wood was not wounded like when you break off a stick or something like that. It was like you skinned the tree in that spot with no marks at all.
So i think the tumor must have sat in the bark only or the tree must have recognised this thing as not being part of it.
I know tree gourds/tumors can be caused by other things like certain wasps and ants. But I have a suspicion that certain fungi do too. In the sand pine forests (in Florida) during certain times of the year you see those gourds producing orange-yellow spores.
One time I was walking through this grove of redwood trees and I looked up and saw giant wood tumors the size of a laundry machine and I was like NOPE. I needed brain bleach after that.
Day 6 of quarantine, and I'm still watching good stuff.
+1 for mentioning Ents. I didn't know about the wood of those tumors, but in hindsight it makes sense.
Awesome video. I'm reminded of the packet structure of network communications.
Left border and right border. Kinda like XML.
I was literally wondering about these the other day when I saw a ton of really big ones on a bunch of trees.
I'd often wondered what those were and just assumed insect were the cause, thanks for explaining.
Just today I finished a 10 page essay on why GM foods aren't dangerous and shouldn't be blocked.
And it'll not change even one mind on the subject, sadly. It is an emotional argument that they use, not logic or science, against GMOs.
@@ronrothrock7116 It also won't change any mind because my english teacher will probably be the only person to ever read it.
@@Krebzonide Bwahaha. And in today's environment of politically charged educators you might end up with a lower grade if the teacher disagrees with you. Happened to me in a graduate level college class. I'd recommend trying to stay from controversial subjects like this when writing reports/essays unless the teacher specifically directs you to.
@@ronrothrock7116 It may not change a mind, but it can help with mind that isn't decided yet.
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What you told is insane! I can’t believe that! Thank you for educating me!
Nice explanation on horizontal gene transfer and ti plasmid....👌👌
This might be kinda weird but I was literally just dreaming about you, which has never happened before, then I open up youtube and the first thing that gets recommended to me... nice :D
Love your videos
4:29 laughed out loud and choked on my drink. Brilliant
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I found lots of similarities between tree cancer incidental formation you described as caused by agro bacteria and human cancer.
For example it is known the masses removed contain bacteria as a sort of bag and it seems in there this colonies prosper.
Moreover the cells all around are actually "different" because capable of self replicate indefinitely.
So the questions arose during the video:
Why it shouldn't be the same mechanism found in plants, for our bodies?
Why bacterial horizontal gene transfer shouldn't be possible on human cells?
By the way, brilliant!;)
Oh, my family was always wondering what those are when we are hiking.
It was a great video!
Thanks, I learned a lot!
Acacia cyclops and Acacia saligna are invasive species in our fynbos areas. These species are aggressive growers and will take over funbos areas in a very short amount of time. A multivoltine midge (Dasineura dielsi) has been introduced as a biocontrol for these invasives. The midges induce galls on the ovary of the host plant which stops the flowers from forming and hence reduces the amount of seeds produced!
Probably not quite the same, but kinda cool to cut open the galls and finding the larvae inside.
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Steve. Very interesting info, you talk of the meditation video/music... But you look absolutely shattered! Did the baby arrive and thrive?
Thank you, Andrew Ryan, for explaining this.
Learned about this in uni and a friend of mine works with this bacteria at the moment. Very interesting stuff
Yeah I saw those on a recent hike and saw a bunch on the coast of california few years ago. Thanks 🙏
Hi Steve u r awesome and thanks for making science awesome!
i love that i learned this in college because i want to lab school (in the netherlands) and we used this on carrots and also gave beneficial dna to the carrots on some point but ofcourse we were not allowed to keep it and it had to be destroyed because of eco-rules. gentically modifying bacteria is easier then modifying plants so you can technically give a plant almost any dna within reason.
The whole mechanism is full of cool details. For example the DNA from the plasmid is not able alone to enter the plant nucleus, so the bacteria activates the plant immunity response and then hijacks these plant protein complexes directed to the nucleus
So basically the bacteria are hacking the tree and inserting some rogue code in it.
Cells truly are amazing nanomachines. I believe the most advanced technology we will someday create will function really similarly to cells
damn, this channel is amazing
i cant explain it with any words
Those are beautiful when fashioned into furniture or bowls etc.
I was thinking about these things earlier today and now youtube decides to recommend this video. THEY'RE ALREADY IN OUR HEADS!
I remember reading about how a team was trying to engineer plants to do something or other by firing a tiny bullet covered in DNA at a seed and hoping it transferred, but then they discovered this technique and it was a lot more successful.
I searched "tree tumor" on youtube after watching this video, and I would never do it again, ever
4:04 my exact question answered. Neat!!
I like his accent. It is so relaxing to listen to him speaking. Where is it from??
Hackney
As a scientist I'm still searching for the down side to meditation. (Haven't found one yet.) So I will keep doing it.
Congratulations! Good health to your wife and the baby!
Those are called "pahka" in Finnish. The big ones are sought after, as you can make nice decorative objects of them. You can get hefty fine if you steel one from some other person's forest.
There's a tree in front of my house covered with these head to toe in tree's terms, and that has always creeped me out
Does this mean you can essentially grow burls on any tree you want? that would be freaking awesome for woodworking and guitar making.
4:11 that's the most beautiful piece of wood I've ever seen
Is "chaga mushroom" a fungi or bacteria? Do they operate in a similar way?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inonotus_obliquus
Great work Thank you
if you leave out the last border couldn't you just keep feeding it dna and program a tree to play doom?
I'm sure you could get Linux running on it.
@@SteveMould that's what i'd call testing the multicore capabilities of linux "1quadrillion cores vs linux"
IIRC sweet potatoes fall into the category of "non-human-created GMO", I assume via a very similar mechanism
This was in the "rings" episode of the podcast!
I was just writing my assignment on features of Ti plasmid and I saw this video recommendation lol
Susan out here in the stock footage booth like "it's time for your injection, mister corn!"
3:55 It would be quite galling if that was a burl after all.
So those leaves coming out my ears are perfectly normal. So relieved. :)
After that opening scene, you should make a video about urushiol and its effects. Augh, I can't stand poison ivy!
i'd long heard it called "lateral gene transfer". i presume horizontal gene transfer's the same thing, just a synonym switch.
0:22 there's an error with the conception animation. The sperm's tail gets left outside the ova,
leaving its mitochondria (power plants) outside and the entirety of those are contributed to the zygote from its mother.
That's another thing the mad scientist portion of my brain would love to get a hold of and just... play with.
As a biology student,this is intriguing stuff.
Question. How do u research on any topic... How do u know its authentic... And for the topics which don't have any data how do u approach to those kind of things... Concept.. Or... Problem (like ur mould effect)...
Try Google scholar or Scopus. Type in something you're interested in like agrobacterium tumefaciens and you'll find pretty much everything that's been published on it. If you can't access the article because of a paywall, you can always email the author and ask kindly for a copy.
Very good question.
It's not something you will learn quickly. And even sites like google scholar will return bullshit results occasionally. Some quick advice:
- Never trust to any single study, instead look for scientific reviews or consensus report.
- Be careful of trash journals and layman media, instead read journals like Cochrane, Nature, Lancet, BMJ, Physics letters, etc.
- Get good basic education in science.
- Get good understanding of common biases and fallacies.
I think "Skeptic guide to the Universe" the book and the podcast will give you easy start to all this.
Auto-generated subtitles are a blast again. It read "sex pilus" in 4 different ways - sex palace, sex police, sex pillars and sex pillows.
Amazing job youtube, you made my day (and you too Steve).
A great video as usual. I do have some nitpicks, though.
First, the animation of the sperm and ovum was wrong. The head of the sperm fuses with the wall of the ovum, and the tail stays outside while the nucleus or whatever with the DNA in goes in a sort of capsule (a bit like what some viruses do to a cell).
Second, the singular of "bacteria" is "bacterium" as I'm sure you know. I normally like very much the way you handle jargon, but I think in this case you have gone to far, especially since you correctly use "pilus" and "pili".
Third, are you sure "uncontrolled cell division" is the right term? It's a benign tumor caused by growth hormone. It's controlled by the growth hormone. It is "increased" or "excessive" but not "uncontrolled", surely?
She do be giving the corn its annual vaccines tho 😳
5:35 Haha! Can you imagine having an ent in your backyard and having daily conversations with it? Science has to make it happen!
The fluent transition from injecting plasmids into plant to "when my wife was pregnant i" really made me thinking you injected some kind of genes into her?
Literally, that’s exactly what he did...
My hybrid willow tree has places on it that can be pooped right off and looks like corks. It's weird as hell.
0:50
Oh yeah
That's hot.
_demonetized_
Does the Opine region code for the bacteria's opinions?
So there cancer cells in the tree that grows into a tumor?
would it be a good idea to get one of these plant tumors and use it as a factory for producing wood
Not really. "Wood" needs the organized fibers whether for lumber or for making paper. Also, trees grow "wood" much faster if let alone to do it the natural way.
so if i see a growth like that on a tree, could i get some of the material and infect other trees?
Dig to see who was burried beneath!