Breville Dual Boiler vs Oracle

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024

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  • @LifestyleLab_
    @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +4

    Oracle: geni.us/gcjCo5
    Dual Boiler: geni.us/0yQB12
    Smart Grinder Pro: geni.us/ly228
    Niche Zero: www.nichecoffee.co.uk/
    Dual Wall Latte Cups: geni.us/oVn3pcR
    (Affiliate links)

  • @amiraloves04
    @amiraloves04 4 года назад +56

    I have never seen someone compare the “hands-on” timing of the machines during a comparison video. It’s a very important factor to consider when buying a machine that I think gets overlooked. Very informative and easy to digest! Thanks! 😊

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +1

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @falkmh
      @falkmh 2 года назад

      It’s also really the main point of the oracle. Really nicely done.

  • @navreetgill
    @navreetgill 4 года назад +17

    Thank you for the comparison using bottomless portafilter @ 4:02. Very informative.

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад

      Thanks for watching Navreet!
      Glad it was helpful!

  • @GlenEdwards
    @GlenEdwards 3 года назад +5

    This is one of the best comparisons I've seen.
    There's a "hack" to using the Dual Boiler which I've been doing for years now, after seeing how Dritan Alsela does his milk. What I do is balance my milk jug against the steam wand, tilting back with the pouring spout against the wand, so that the wand tip is just touching the surface of the milk. Then I go about other things while the milk is getting textured. I have a temp sticker on the milk jug so I can see when it's done without needing my hands on it all the time. The texture is always perfect latte too.
    I've been using my Dual Boiler (first gen) for over 5 years, and I purchased it second hand when it was a few years old already. I've been looking at upgrading but I can't find a premium machine that even has an auto-on feature, so apart from asthetics, I feel like it would be a downgrade really...

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  3 года назад +3

      I've been meaning to make a hands-free steaming tutorial, its a great workflow hack!
      In terms of auto-on, I have my Appartamento on a smart outlet, so not only is it warm when I wake up each morning, but I can say "Alexa, coffee time!" and it switches on ;)

    • @GlenEdwards
      @GlenEdwards 3 года назад

      Lifestyle Lab oh that’s cool! I’ll do that if I ever justify a big upgrade.

  • @JayCe09
    @JayCe09 4 года назад +15

    hope one day, you will be able to fully depend on RUclips and make great home coffee contents. :) I enjoyed your video very much.

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +5

      Thanks so much Jayce!
      With viewers like you, I see that as a real possibility :)

  • @muntedewok
    @muntedewok 4 года назад +9

    On the dual boiler shot, your bar pressure has dropped from 9bar to about 7.5 in the space of 5 seconds run time, shouldn't have dropped at all! Noticed you didn't use any pressure in the tamp either so likely the reason for it. I use a similar spreader/tamp as well for mine, they work wonders! Appears the automatic tamping on the Oracle is likely the reason for the spraying as well, you seemed to have tamped properly on that shot for the Dual Boiler ;) My only criticisms though :D
    I use the Breville Dual Boiler myself along with the Breville Grinder and have found them to be very capable. The Oracle seems like excess to me as I much prefer the manual side/being hands on. The Oracle to me seems like a BMW M3 with an SMG transmission, semi-manual and pointless. I can understand if you're working through a lot of coffees then yeah it'd be an advantage and if you're the sort of person who is regularly entertaining then it'd be a good option, but for the everyday use, the Dual Boiler is perfect. I was looking into the Nuova Simonelli Musica Lux but complete lack of features over flow control/temperature/pre-infusion etc didn't justify the significant price difference.

  • @seaninherts
    @seaninherts 2 года назад +2

    Hi there. Just ordered the oracle. I’ll be donating my barista express to family. Enjoy the manual process, but having tasted the oracle, it’s blindingly good. You could of course use a separate grinder and tamp yourself and do the milk manually l, but no need. The quality is great. You’ll never drink it and aay, I have a better one in me. Not cheap though.

  • @crachmonkey
    @crachmonkey 2 года назад +1

    I'm really glad I got the Dual Boiler as I enjoy the manual process a lot. Coffee needs to breathe and vary a bit every time, just as beans react to temp and moisture. If I wanted the same result every time I'd gotten a full auto machine. The Dual Boiler is as close to pro quality as it gets.

  • @Chriswales
    @Chriswales 3 года назад +2

    Had an Oracle for 6 months, upgraded from a fully automatic one touch bean to cup machine. The Oracle has limitations but I'm more than happy with it since I didn't want to get into dosing and tamping. It suites my need for decent coffee without too much work on my part.

  • @Jack_C_
    @Jack_C_ 4 года назад +1

    If you want more hands off on the dual boiler (or any machine with a slow steam time), place a support of some kind (I use a small cardboard box) about 80mm high off to the right of the steam wand to sit your milk jug on.
    Position the steam wand tip (more precisely the steam holes) just above the surface of the milk. This will require a little experimentation for the best spot.
    Start steaming at full pressure. Stick in a thermometer and then start to prepare and make your shot while the milk is steaming. Keep an eye on the thermometer.
    I have cut down my prep times a lot using this method as I'm not just standing there holding the jug.
    Big bonus is my latte art has improved greatly as the milk is coming out a lot more consistent.:)
    Thanks for the vid.

    • @scanspeak00
      @scanspeak00 Год назад

      This is an awesome tip, just what I want to do!

  • @FoLlOwThEwHiTeRaBbIt1
    @FoLlOwThEwHiTeRaBbIt1 3 года назад +2

    Your reviews are by far the best on RUclips! And all of your reviews are A1 keep up the great job!
    Also if you get the chance i would love to see you do a review on the breville oracle touch, there is plenty of reviews but no one does them as good as yourself. Thanks again my friend 👍🏽

  • @lauragwillim1055
    @lauragwillim1055 3 года назад +1

    I'm binge watching your videos on Breville. I love how you cover the differences between machines and is it worth the uncharge. I was looking at Barista Pro over Express, but after your video I am saying no to the Barista Pro.

  • @troop73oo
    @troop73oo 8 месяцев назад

    I don’t know whether I missed it, but I didn’t notice you tamping the coffee.

  • @aimanisa9610
    @aimanisa9610 2 года назад

    Both grinders clump (used both + Barista express). With BDB you have control over Puck prep. Uneven density due to clumps and center pile causes spraying. As you know, spray is an indicator for major channeling and does negatively impact brew (most of the time). You can also see a donut extraction on Oracle which indicates lower density on the sides compared to the middle.
    Both machines are capable in making cafe quality drinks. Its up to the barista to learn more or not.
    Good content.👍

  • @1983Jacko
    @1983Jacko 3 года назад

    If you don't like too much tinkering and experimenting with your espresso, Oracle is a great choice. I like the dual boiler better, I like to be more in control, I like to have a separate grinder which I can replace if it's not being consistent, I like using my own tamper/distributor tool and fine tuning my technique to get the best espresso possible. The auto frother option on dual boiler would be nice, I have to admit, but I can live without it.

  • @somnambulist7705
    @somnambulist7705 4 года назад +2

    I purposely chose convince, and I haven't regretted it.

  • @tonyb282
    @tonyb282 4 года назад +1

    Great reviews, I have been looking and comparing but am still trying to decide what machine under $1000.00 to buy. A friend of mine will sell me the oracle for under 1k but that dual boiler looks really nice.

  • @marycarmengarciatagle7523
    @marycarmengarciatagle7523 4 месяца назад

    Amazing and very useful comparison. Thank you!!!

  • @noureddineelaroussi7680
    @noureddineelaroussi7680 10 месяцев назад

    Not to mention that if the dual boiler breaks it will be very easy to access and change parts, like gaskets, pumps, solenoids, and such, the Oracle would be far more difficult to fix!

  • @789flyer3
    @789flyer3 4 года назад +3

    Thanks for the comparison, have you tried adjusting the tamp pressure/time on the oracle to compensate for the channeling on the bottomless portafilter? I'm currently torn between buying these two machine. If I go for the DB I would get the Niche Zero grinder also, I would like to get more into espresso as a hobby but you can't beat the convenience of the Oracle especially when entertaining.

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +3

      I did try to balance grind size and tamping pressure to improve the channeling problem, but it's still going to happen on some level. The Dual Boiler / Niche combo will undoubtedly make better coffee, so its up to you to decide how much you REALLY value that convenience of the Oracle.
      The DB / Niche setup also brings its own convenience in that you can use the Niche to grind for all types of coffee, not just espresso

    • @789flyer3
      @789flyer3 4 года назад +3

      @@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for your advice, keep up the great work with the channel! It's been really helpful as newbie in learning the basics before I make that first purchase! All the best!

  • @GT-gp2nb
    @GT-gp2nb 2 года назад

    Thanks for the non-basis reviews! Super helpful

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад

      That’s what we do here! Thanks for tuning in

  • @zefe3886
    @zefe3886 2 года назад

    Basically Oracle for office environment and dual boiler for home use sinc it is closer to prosumer standard with loads of mods. 🤔

  • @miastorm6191
    @miastorm6191 3 года назад +1

    Am confused, I do not know if I should compromise time or taste. For now I have time in the mornings for making coffee, but in the long run I will need a machine making good coffee fast. And the oracel will be on sale soon, the price will be the same.

    • @breadbaconcheese
      @breadbaconcheese 3 года назад

      you're saving 30s between bdb vs oracle. wake up 1min earlier and you're already way ahead. better quality espresso hands down

    • @marshallgoldberg8376
      @marshallgoldberg8376 3 года назад +2

      Advice: Will other people in your household use the machine? And do you plan to entertain and serve four or more cups of drinks at once? In either of those cases, the Oracle’s ease of use will be a huge plus. The dual boiler lets you get the very best taste, if you’re willing to work at it. However, even a very small amount of milk is so sweet that it will mask bitterness. What I chose is to use the manual brewing approach along with a separate, $100 milk frother. More time spent on espresso, no time spent on the milk. If you buy Oracle, the automated milk steamer is also there. So there is no right or wrong, there is only choice. My choice? Oracle. You can always add a grinder later if you want.

    • @marshallgoldberg8376
      @marshallgoldberg8376 3 года назад +3

      @@breadbaconcheese But now make five of those drinks and cook eggs and make toast

    • @breadbaconcheese
      @breadbaconcheese 3 года назад

      @@marshallgoldberg8376 yea you're definitely right from that perspective!

  • @bl6973
    @bl6973 4 года назад

    If you want a machine that’s small but also has a Pid but also has a 58mm portafilter then I have heard good things about the ascado dream pid and the Rancillio Silva (via Seattle coffee gear)

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +1

      They're on the list of ones to get in the lab!

  • @BBKing1977
    @BBKing1977 2 года назад

    Just to be clear, during your comparison, the graphics on the video say it’s the Oracle Touch, but it’s just the regular Oracle.

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад +1

      The graphic says Oracle “Touch Time” and Dual Boiler “Touch Time”. We were discussing the actual active time required to make latte on both machines.

    • @BBKing1977
      @BBKing1977 2 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ Got it, that makes sense. It was just a bit confusing since there’s also a product called the Oracle Touch. I’ve been watching a bunch of videos of various Breville machines so this just caught my attention.

  • @stacygjetnes714
    @stacygjetnes714 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you! So do you recommend the oracle over the dual boiler? Or the other way around?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  11 месяцев назад

      Depends what you’re looking for!
      Explained in depth from 4:53 onwards

  • @robertsegovia4663
    @robertsegovia4663 2 года назад

    Love the detail! Thanks

  • @sticky494
    @sticky494 4 года назад

    Very good comparison thank you!

  • @yashmaval
    @yashmaval 4 года назад

    Excellent review! Thanks!

  • @shokoku10
    @shokoku10 4 года назад +1

    Awesome comparison. I was contemplating purchasing an oracle but I'm hesitant since people complain about the reliability of the machine. What do u think?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +4

      I have yet to experience any issues with any of my Breville machines, I wouldn't let that deter you

    • @shokoku10
      @shokoku10 4 года назад

      Lifestyle Lab thank you for your feedback. I really appreciated it. Keep up the good work. 👍

  • @Albahlolmalek
    @Albahlolmalek 4 года назад +1

    U deserve all the support u get

  • @kamildrohomirecki791
    @kamildrohomirecki791 Год назад

    Is it possible to set temperature of water for americano from the tap shown on the video? Specifically can you set it to 60 C degree?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  Год назад

      No you cannot, that’s rarely even a feature seen on professional machines. Only ones I know of that can do a water mix are the Decent DE1 and the La Marzocco GS3.

  • @-gina1114
    @-gina1114 3 года назад

    Thank you so much!!!

  • @MarcesAurelius
    @MarcesAurelius 2 года назад

    I find Oracle shot-to-shot consistency very poor and don’t like the very high grind-retention -> would you recommend a scale and Niche for shot-consistency and quality improvement?
    FYI - using Oracle for 7 years (given new one recently), upgraded to IMS: screen & basket (15g)

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад +2

      The main source of inconsistency in the Oracle is that it is handling the puck prep. This will never be as good as a human properly distributing and doing WDT.
      In terms of quality, the Niche would be a nice step up, yes

    • @MarcesAurelius
      @MarcesAurelius 2 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ interesting… so, not the grind quality? I have an old Breville Smart grinder, is this the same burr set to demo to myself better puck prep?
      I had the idea the fan-tamper was also doing a “layered rotary distribution”, which was decent puck prep

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад

      You could absolutely experiment with the SGP and manual puck prep to see if that helps with your consistency!

  • @6guitarplayer
    @6guitarplayer 3 года назад

    is there a way to disable the tamping feature on the Oracle if you want to manually tamp? Also, can you add LED lights anywhere near the group head?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  3 года назад

      The tamping / distribution blades can be removed with a little handywork
      The Oracle had built in adjustable brightness LEDS for the brew area

  • @gosman949
    @gosman949 4 года назад

    What was your grind setting on the Breville grinder?

  • @shuojian786
    @shuojian786 4 года назад

    Any plan to review the next level prosumer machines like the profitec 600/700. Rocket r58 etc.?

  • @ex0ja
    @ex0ja 2 года назад

    Question, can the Oracle do a large milk drink, like a 600ml flat white?

  • @begotten59
    @begotten59 2 года назад

    Oracle!

  • @kamildrohomirecki791
    @kamildrohomirecki791 Год назад

    Is it possible to set dose to 18gr?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  Год назад

      The Oracle doses around 21g on average I believe. The Dual Boiler is obviously just whatever you dose on your standalone grinder.
      The oracle can be changed slightly by playing with the tamping settings but there is no direct “dose” setting

  • @ahmednaim3413
    @ahmednaim3413 2 года назад

    Awesome video

  • @kaycreates
    @kaycreates 2 года назад

    Would you recommend Oracle or Oracle touch, I'm a little nervous about the touch screen (just an additional item that can go bad). Thanks!

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад

      I would recommend the base Oracle. Touch versions are not worth the extra money in my opinion

    • @kaycreates
      @kaycreates 2 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ that's what I was thinking, thank you! Love your videos, so informative :)

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад

      Thanks for watching, happy to help!

  • @nicholasmatz
    @nicholasmatz 4 года назад

    Thanks great video

  • @mikeyandcoffee
    @mikeyandcoffee 4 года назад

    I have an Oracle and this morning the power button continue to flash and it seemed as the boilers kept trying to fill water inside of them. I was just wondering if you’ve ever experienced this issue? What’s the solution...I turned it off for approx one hour and it worked again. I’m not sure why this happen. Thanks

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +1

      Hmmm, very odd, no I've never experienced something like that before

  • @1983Jacko
    @1983Jacko 3 года назад

    Wow, not terrible channeling @ 4:00? lol i don't think I ever saw worse channeling than that :)

  • @rickydedos4085
    @rickydedos4085 3 года назад

    Can you steam the milk the same was on the 920 as on the Oracle, meaning without holding the mug?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  3 года назад

      Yes! But it would just take very careful positioning of the steam tip to get proper milk texture as the texturing is not automatic

    • @rickydedos4085
      @rickydedos4085 3 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ okay, thanks

    • @karmovelling9706
      @karmovelling9706 3 года назад +2

      Yes you can, I do it every day,. It's actually very easy, you just need to hold the jug in the beginning for introducing air and then set it down with the wand in the right position to make the milk move around. That way it will take much less time than it did in this video. Also you can save time by grinding the coffee directly into the portafilter, the grinder has an attachment for that but in this video it is not used. I usually start the grinding, then start steaming the milk, and when the grinder finishes, I set down the milk jug, tamp the coffee, pull the shot and then at about the same time the milk will be ready, and done :)

  • @florianfardell9127
    @florianfardell9127 3 года назад

    How many holes in the steam wand does the Dual Boiler have?

  • @geordie20uk
    @geordie20uk 4 года назад +1

    What's the name of those glasses?

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад +2

      Just added a link to them in the description :)

  • @cosmeticsandpurseswithevelyn
    @cosmeticsandpurseswithevelyn 2 года назад

    This video is made wrong the names on the machines and video cuts are mixed up with the wrong names while showing the machines and saying the others name, and even pointing your hand at the Breville while say Oracle? I was noticing the name on top of the Machine wondering what was going on.....

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад

      At what point in the video did that happen? These are both Breville machines.

  • @etheros2959
    @etheros2959 3 года назад

    The dual boiler seems better. Much nicer heart on the finished product...

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  3 года назад

      I would chalk that up to user error, not the machines

  • @michup86
    @michup86 2 года назад

    I was able to buy the oracle during Black Friday sales 2021 for 1494 euro.

  • @garydunken7934
    @garydunken7934 4 года назад +2

    You are doing good. Why don't you take courage and show yourself in full in future videos? I'm seeing you headless for over a year now and can't get my head around it, as to why you want to continue to do that.

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  4 года назад

      Hey! Thanks for continuing to follow the channel!
      I explain the reasoning for the slightly odd framing in my 10,000 subscriber video from last week: ruclips.net/video/bebIR0IWgW8/видео.html

  • @mo6088
    @mo6088 3 года назад

    Hi, does anyone know how long does Dual boiler take to start (from the time you turn it on to when it's ready to brew/steam)?

  • @meredith18352
    @meredith18352 2 года назад +1

    I had a dual boiler and it made really good coffee until it stopped working. These are not designed to be repaired so are APPLIANCES only and destined for landfill in too short a time. Invest a little bit more and buy a good machine that will last a lifetime other than these pieces of plastic.

  • @dzavelion
    @dzavelion 4 года назад

    😏 ICUP

  • @fannyboni472
    @fannyboni472 3 года назад

    But they are not the touch ones!!?!! Its not the oracle touch, its the oracle.. and i dont understand why you stop the timing count on the oracle and let it go for the dual boiler???

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  3 года назад

      This video does not mention the Oracle touch.... and the timers were counting barista contact time for each machine to make a latte. The main timer covers total time.

    • @fannyboni472
      @fannyboni472 3 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ thanks for your reply. But at 1:24 in your "title" when you compare 2 machine it is written; Oracle touch and Dual Boiler touch.

    • @fannyboni472
      @fannyboni472 3 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ and there is people who comment about the oracle touch in this section so i have to not be the only one who understand it this way...

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  3 года назад

      Touch time is the same as contact time. There is no such machine as the Dual Boiler Touch

    • @fannyboni472
      @fannyboni472 3 года назад

      @@LifestyleLab_ ok, maybe you should have put "contact time" then, it would have been more clear. I didnt know that the dual boiler machine dont existe in touch version.

  • @derelictegrasshopper
    @derelictegrasshopper 2 года назад

    and I thought headless acting was only a new thing in porn...

    • @LifestyleLab_
      @LifestyleLab_  2 года назад

      Might want to check out our videos from the past year. Not porn, but also not headless

  • @keto4life197
    @keto4life197 2 года назад

    The dual boiler looks like a cheap chinese.