HM Raiding Rogue here. I play all specs and enjoy them all but overall my fav. would be Sub. with combat as a close second. Very good guide here mate. Well planned out, and you def. know your stuff. The only small thing I found off was the explanation of incorporating Rupture into the rotation ONLY if you have a Sub Rogue, Arms War, or Feral Druid for the added bleed damage. If you don't have any of these classes in your group, forget using Rupture. Cheers!
If you check it out closer, 8.00 hit rating only makes your special attacks a 100% guarantee; the 17.00 spell cap for poisons also helps you reach the cap for basic melee strikes, which is most often (with S&D always up) a combat rogues highest dps dealer...
You should use a fast weapon in your off hand (1.40). If you any stage of the legendary daggers go ahead and use that for your off hand w/ DW axe in your MH. The offhand dagger is BIS for all stages, unless you have the Heroic Mode dagger from Hagara, which will beat out Vengeance.
Jevagen is right on this. Openers have not benefit to Combat Rogues besides being able to get a few feet closer to the boss before the pull. If you are going to start a fight in stealth your best bet for dps it to put SS right on your stealth bar and open with that. He is also right on backstab, the energy regeneration for backstabbing a target below 35% is an assassination talent in the fifth teir.
Haste is only bad to stack when you can’t spend what it generates. I would recommend reaching a point where you're comfortable w/ the amount of haste you have and then start aiming for the non-mandatory 17% spell hit cap.
I simulated Ultraxion 25m... 10k Iterations, world lag set to low, length set to 300 sec, player skill set to elite, etc. BiS H Combat rogue pulled 51.7k dps and BiS H Assassination rogue pulled 47.7k dps. Keep in mind that the spec you choose should depend on the encounter. For the most part combat is the way to go but even subtlety becomes the best spec for a few encounters. A little research and practice goes a long way :)
Fear and all of it's stages is the only non slow MH you may use. The daggers are fine, but next stage will be a lot better. I got 17% spell hit cap, then reforged all mastery into haste and a little bit of crit into haste. Use SnD after 2-3 combo points, don't use rupture so you're good on that, go to four combo points then revealing strike, then eviscerate. Blade fury on 2 adds or more.
Your guides from what I have seen are the best on RUclips you should have tons more subs and views than what you do after you get done with dps specs are you going to do threat for tanks and heal guides?
Combat Rogues do not use stealth yet alone stealth openers period. However when i stealth on my rogue in a raid the point is to be within range to attack the boss once our tank pulls. From stealth i use TotT and then open with a sinister strike straight from stealth.
The epic gem is called "Glinting Shadow Spinel" and the non epic gem is called "Glinting Demonseye"... These gems should give you agi and hit. Hit rating counts for both melee hit and spell hit.
So as I've said before Mr. "Jev." I find myself watching guides for classes I've never played and a game that I don't really play anymore. I feel like I have a problem, but how can something so right be so wrong.
Hi, first of all AWSOME GUIDE ! I have a question, fast and solid: +50 Agility or +130 AP(im a LW) Everybody said +50 agility is the way to go... but I think +130ap is better... What you think ?
@IVIFII2IC Thanks i really appreciate it but there are some pretty good guides out there and yes i plan on making tank/heal guides if i can finish the dps guides in time.
@jaunchop881 I simply followed the priority list... I went for agility until I could no longer gain any more, then I went for the melee hit cap of 8%, then I became Expertise capped (26), afterwards I went for haste wherever I could get it and finally I still had some room left for hit rating which I went for once the stats before were covered. This is why i have so much hit, I was aiming for the 17% Spell Hit Cap even if I can't reach it with my current gear... I hope this helps or makes sense
Hello man !! First of all I'm new in this game and thats why I wanna make you a little question. You just said that it is necesary for a rogue to get a melee hit cap of 8%, but when I'm looking at your statics I see there is a 14.85% of Hit chance at melee. I'm not shure if I'm looking at right thing ... Could you help me with this thing? Ty /// That is an awesome video
Hey I'm back !! Excuseme bro but I have a new question for you ... How did you get your hit and expertise caps? ... Did you reforge yor gear till you get it? I'm asking you this cause I did it that way but I need to use all items to get those caps and now I don't have any item free to another reforge
Hey, im a assasination rogue atm, but im not shure if combat is better for PvE. Would u tell me what u think about the dps from assasination and combat build? btw i like ur guide ;)
Why do you recommend a slower MH weapon over the quicker? I'm currently using a 1.80 MH dagger with great stats, but I see you preferring the much slower Axe off of Deathwing. Quick Explanation?
Yo mind telling me what kind of tower / graphics card you are using..ultrax ran really smooth mine isnt that smooth get about 10-15FPS on ultrax and im looking to up grade
Can you please tell me the name of that addon that shows the remaining time of slice and dice and rest of the buffs? It would help me very much and I'd appreciate it. Thanks
So, i have a combat rogue (of course lol) and i recently started taking him into reg ds runs. He has decent gear mostly HoT 5 man and lfr gear and the fear/vengance dagger set. but he isnt pulling all that great dps. Could it be that im using daggers or that i dont use rupture at all or what?
I'm wondering, is there a target haste amount like for resto druids (2005) and fire mages (1921)? Or should I just focus on getting 17% hit and then after that, stack haste from whatever's left? Thanks for the awesome video by the way.
question: when do you know there is a bleeding debuff on your target? and what do you think of blade flurry? should i use it all the time or just when it is a group battle?
Great video,mate!:) I have a question,though.How did you make those timers appear on your screen(for SnD,Rupture ,etc)?Was is it with Power Auras?If so,could you link an import code,please ? :)
Hi, Can u tell me the name of the Addons u use to track SnD and other spells ??? I think its Debuff Filter... can u confirm or correct. Great Vid. Btw :)
Question: I know you added the rotation, but what about your stealth opener?. Do you use garrote or Ambush, and when the boss is at 35% HP, do we spam Backstab instead of SS or is that just Assassination?
You didn't mention how to use Blade Flurry and FoK with it,when is the best time to pop Adrenaline rush,I don't want to hate but i believe that your not using it in the right moment,i think that it should be used when near 35 energy so you never get your energy full?
HM Raiding Rogue here. I play all specs and enjoy them all but overall my fav. would be Sub. with combat as a close second.
Very good guide here mate.
Well planned out, and you def. know your stuff.
The only small thing I found off was the explanation of incorporating Rupture into the rotation ONLY if you have a Sub Rogue, Arms War, or Feral Druid for the added bleed damage. If you don't have any of these classes in your group, forget using Rupture.
Cheers!
My name is Jeff.
short, simple, extremely detailed, I dont even need to ask anything! u are a genius m8!
thank you for the guide. it helps me currently to get started on pserver whitemane so i get a headstart when blizzard comes out with cata
You're welcome
@@Jevagen omg dude you are alive lol
@@eimantas6405 He lives!!!
If you check it out closer, 8.00 hit rating only makes your special attacks a 100% guarantee; the 17.00 spell cap for poisons also helps you reach the cap for basic melee strikes, which is most often (with S&D always up) a combat rogues highest dps dealer...
Best Combat rogue guide out there :)
Great Guides man....any and all my questions on DPS with my combat rogue have just been answered, Keep up the awesome work...Much Love!!
truly it does take a sick mind to make a sick song of that sort
You should use a fast weapon in your off hand (1.40). If you any stage of the legendary daggers go ahead and use that for your off hand w/ DW axe in your MH. The offhand dagger is BIS for all stages, unless you have the Heroic Mode dagger from Hagara, which will beat out Vengeance.
Jevagen is right on this. Openers have not benefit to Combat Rogues besides being able to get a few feet closer to the boss before the pull. If you are going to start a fight in stealth your best bet for dps it to put SS right on your stealth bar and open with that. He is also right on backstab, the energy regeneration for backstabbing a target below 35% is an assassination talent in the fifth teir.
Haste is only bad to stack when you can’t spend what it generates. I would recommend reaching a point where you're comfortable w/ the amount of haste you have and then start aiming for the non-mandatory 17% spell hit cap.
That is part of recount, you can right click the dps meter (Recount) in-game and click on "Show real time graph"
BEST Rogue video ever! Not just the voice, but you covered EVERYTHING! :)
I simulated Ultraxion 25m... 10k Iterations, world lag set to low, length set to 300 sec, player skill set to elite, etc. BiS H Combat rogue pulled 51.7k dps and BiS H Assassination rogue pulled 47.7k dps. Keep in mind that the spec you choose should depend on the encounter. For the most part combat is the way to go but even subtlety becomes the best spec for a few encounters. A little research and practice goes a long way :)
Fear and all of it's stages is the only non slow MH you may use. The daggers are fine, but next stage will be a lot better. I got 17% spell hit cap, then reforged all mastery into haste and a little bit of crit into haste. Use SnD after 2-3 combo points, don't use rupture so you're good on that, go to four combo points then revealing strike, then eviscerate. Blade fury on 2 adds or more.
@Djgtk88 If you have at least 500 LW you can emboss 130 agility to your bracers which is greater than the standard 50 agility to bracers enchant
Great Video! Conftable Voice, best Describtion, perfect examples! Keep going!
Understood !!
I'm so grateful with you. This is, for far, the best guide for a rogue
really nice and concise guide. One of the best i've seen, Keep it up
Your guides from what I have seen are the best on RUclips you should have tons more subs and views than what you do after you get done with dps specs are you going to do threat for tanks and heal guides?
Man thank u Ur guides in my opinion are the best keep up the good work ;)
Amazing guide Sir.
Can you please tell, wich trinkets you use, during this fight, and wich ones are BiS for Combat Rogue.
Thanks
Very Usefull Just i didnt Get What do you mean of Debuff that should be applied is that poison infection...?
Combat Rogues do not use stealth yet alone stealth openers period. However when i stealth on my rogue in a raid the point is to be within range to attack the boss once our tank pulls. From stealth i use TotT and then open with a sinister strike straight from stealth.
The epic gem is called "Glinting Shadow Spinel" and the non epic gem is called "Glinting Demonseye"... These gems should give you agi and hit. Hit rating counts for both melee hit and spell hit.
So as I've said before Mr. "Jev." I find myself watching guides for classes I've never played and a game that I don't really play anymore. I feel like I have a problem, but how can something so right be so wrong.
Hi, first of all AWSOME GUIDE !
I have a question, fast and solid:
+50 Agility or +130 AP(im a LW)
Everybody said +50 agility is the way to go... but I think +130ap is better... What you think ?
@IVIFII2IC Thanks i really appreciate it but there are some pretty good guides out there and yes i plan on making tank/heal guides if i can finish the dps guides in time.
I see you're using rupture. Is it really worth it? Currently I'm not using it in my rotation cuz I feel like it's only assa/sub thing. :D
what is this addon that shows you those big ass buffs and their durations (SnD, rupture etc.)? I really need it
Sorry, rupture IS okay to use if you have a bleed heavy class in your group.
Great Guide, but FYI, Rogues can use Feint on Ultrax and live through Hour of Twilight :P
@jaunchop881 I simply followed the priority list... I went for agility until I could no longer gain any more, then I went for the melee hit cap of 8%, then I became Expertise capped (26), afterwards I went for haste wherever I could get it and finally I still had some room left for hit rating which I went for once the stats before were covered. This is why i have so much hit, I was aiming for the 17% Spell Hit Cap even if I can't reach it with my current gear... I hope this helps or makes sense
Whats the addon in the beginning that shows your CD:s so big?
how do u make the intro sound i love it i want to know the way u do it or the programme u use to do it or put download link!
Hello man !!
First of all I'm new in this game and thats why I wanna make you a little question.
You just said that it is necesary for a rogue to get a melee hit cap of 8%, but when I'm looking at your statics I see there is a 14.85% of Hit chance at melee. I'm not shure if I'm looking at right thing ... Could you help me with this thing? Ty /// That is an awesome video
Hey I'm back !!
Excuseme bro but I have a new question for you ...
How did you get your hit and expertise caps? ... Did you reforge yor gear till you get it? I'm asking you this cause I did it that way but I need to use all items to get those caps and now I don't have any item free to another reforge
Hey, im a assasination rogue atm, but im not shure if combat is better for PvE. Would u tell me what u think about the dps from assasination and combat build?
btw i like ur guide ;)
whats the song name? thats the sickest beat lol i need it on my pvp playlist!
Amazing videos bro! Keep the good work.
what addon are you using tto show how long is left on slice n dice and rupture
Ya idk why u would go for spell hit cap as combat. when most of your dmg comes from melee swings and only a small percent comes from poisons
If you wouldnt mind me asking should I use double deathwing axe or should I use a dagger in OH ??
Why do you recommend a slower MH weapon over the quicker?
I'm currently using a 1.80 MH dagger with great stats, but I see you preferring the much slower Axe off of Deathwing.
Quick Explanation?
So should I still get max haste from my gear even though reforging to haste makes me fall below the 17% spell hit cap?
man this is an good guide u just earned a sub :)
Hi What Cool Timer do you use for your Slice and Dice timers?
Creepy as hell for some reason...but....I LOVE IT! Nice guide!
Yo mind telling me what kind of tower / graphics card you are using..ultrax ran really smooth mine isnt that smooth get about 10-15FPS on ultrax and im looking to up grade
@Hamofasa We want to aim for the 17% spell hit cap but it is not mandatory to reach it.
Which addon are you using for the Cds? answer please
Can you please tell me the name of that addon that shows the remaining time of slice and dice and rest of the buffs? It would help me very much and I'd appreciate it. Thanks
RoguePowerBars
So, i have a combat rogue (of course lol) and i recently started taking him into reg ds runs. He has decent gear mostly HoT 5 man and lfr gear and the fear/vengance dagger set. but he isnt pulling all that great dps. Could it be that im using daggers or that i dont use rupture at all or what?
@hukkelipukkeli "TellMeWhen" from Curse website
I'm wondering, is there a target haste amount like for resto druids (2005) and fire mages (1921)? Or should I just focus on getting 17% hit and then after that, stack haste from whatever's left? Thanks for the awesome video by the way.
Isn't Shiv better to use than sinister strike? because of the poison application? and it cost less energy too
question: when do you know there is a bleeding debuff on your target? and what do you think of blade flurry? should i use it all the time or just when it is a group battle?
hey dude what addon are u using get back to me asap - the one with the big buffs ( near your action bar )
Hey, I was wondering, why use sinister strike as the combo point builder, as revealing cost less energy and im pretty sure does more dps
your voice is awesome!
@jodobu98 Right click your name in recount after you have some numbers in there and click on "show real time graph"
@rudicill You can find this song on my channel or you can look up "Combat Theme Song"
From what I remember, combat rogues don't use stealth openers or backstab
Great video,mate!:) I have a question,though.How did you make those timers appear on your screen(for SnD,Rupture ,etc)?Was is it with Power Auras?If so,could you link an import code,please ? :)
Hi, Can u tell me the name of the Addons u use to track SnD and other spells ???
I think its Debuff Filter... can u confirm or correct.
Great Vid. Btw :)
hey man! kinda in hurry, but do i use my 397 daggers that you get on rogue quest? or just the OH and get a axe/mace MH?
Nice video man.
What is the name of addon which gives u auras on thebottom left ( Slice and DIce and the Adrenalin rush)
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Hi dud u have good Guide can u record many videos for all characters ❤
Question: I know you added the rotation, but what about your stealth opener?. Do you use garrote or Ambush, and when the boss is at 35% HP, do we spam Backstab instead of SS or is that just Assassination?
The addon is called "Tellmewhen"
what addon are you using to show how long you have left on your abilities
By any chance do you know the name of the dps add on that is?
its name is Recount
what is the name on that dps addon not recount but the other one
btw i forgot in my last comment to ask is it good to use the legendary daggers?
noice guide dude
Whats the song?
What is the addon called that shows your HP and Energy in %? Nice vid btw! ;)
This guy needs to make more vids! Seriously 60k views on single upload and you not even working on the channel?
i noticed you have 14.6% hit is that enough or do you really need 17%?
Great vid.
which class do u think is the best PVP and PVE dps class?
Won't the DPS be somewhat inaccurate since you can't backstab Ultraxion?
Very cool guide dude! ;)
The more haste i seem to get the lower my dps goes lol...What am i doing wrong?
Darkfoxcr
Feathermoon
Combat Elf rogue
is that you at the top dps on Ultraxion nice bro!
Backstab and Stealth opener is Assasination
You didn't mention how to use Blade Flurry and FoK with it,when is the best time to pop Adrenaline rush,I don't want to hate but i believe that your not using it in the right moment,i think that it should be used when near 35 energy so you never get your energy full?
hi i want to ask for yours talents and glyphs
what addon is the dps metre?
@DmSCountera I use Fruity Loops studio but i'll see what I can do about that link
ultraxion is on LFR right?
Veyr nice video , got my dps up by 10k ... :) So THANKS man.
what is the name on your addon ther show you SnD and rupture
If you want a challenge, do sub rogue guide for pve. That shit is no joke lol
Mui bien amigo mio :)
Realy nice my friend :)
rly cool guide !
what add-on's are you using?
i already do al of this. and have lowest dps in raids and get kicked. please help
awesome video man thanks a lot !