The Real Cost To Make Common Projects & Oliver Cabells
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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Oliver Cabell Low 1 have been some of the most requested white sneakers for this series. I think it is mostly because of their price point of $188, that is less than half of the price of Common Projects. So I pulled the Oliver Cabells apart layer by layer to see how it was built and how it compares to the common projects.
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Shop tour and Q&A for Wednesday’s video so drop your questions below.
Rose Anvil Can you show your shoe collection
What city is your shop in?
Why does "raw" leather goods command such a high price? What is "raw" leather?
How did you start your activity ?
Why toaster is toaster ?
Q&A: have you received any backlash from the brands owning the shoes you've reviewed?
has the covid19 situation affected your buiness?
Never give up on asking this guy for af1 video
He made it)
I like the change how you dissected the one and cut the other in half.
Agreed!
Hey Rose, another great breakdown, and yeah all this brands are making money out of marketing, but that's how it's always been.
Also I'm a shoemaker apprentice so answering the question where you take apart the heel lining and the rest of the lining, and ask why theres a thinning on the edges, this is because that thinning of the leather or more commonly said skiving the leather is used in order not to make bumps in the shoe itself, because if you don't skive the leather and stack it on top of the other pieces of leather, usually it gets uncomfortable for the wearer.
Please keep this good content, we all appreciate it.
Im not a shoe maker, but I know that
@@martinquinonez1935 okay...
@@martinquinonez1935 well that's great 👍
where are you apprenticing?
What are your opinions of Oliver Cabell, Common Project or Stan Smith as a shoemaker?
Consider dissecting a wood shoe from Holland.
I second this motion.
Next april lol
Aaah, yes, the original crocs
I third this motion
Cloggs
Oliver Cabell actually let you do a tear down AND a price breakdown?! Props to these guys!! I'm gonna be checking them out! By the way, great job on the vid! It was really informative.
lol dont..just look at the reddit posts about them. Garbage customer service and sub par overpriced shoes by some millennial and his instagram startup business tryna make a buck. The owner is even on reddit saying shit to people like for them to change their negative review into a positive for free replacement shoes..
What do you mean "let you"? How could they stop him?
The price breakdown is on their website. What the hell are you talking about?
@JustMe-999a when companies sponsor ytubers and have them run ads, the company has a list of conditions and demands that have to be met, which, if voided by the ytuber means no payment. Plenty of companies will demand that their brand or product won't be shown in a bad light - explicitly or implicitly. Thus, the "let you".
As a former owner of a shoe store that sold common projects I can attest to the whole sale cost of about $140, so your price break down is spot on. Loved this video and the honesty and transparency of your content mixed with humor. Keep up the good work!
I got two pairs in EU for 450. That's about what people should pay for it, if they're any smart.
Oliver Cabell being ok with this teardown speaks volumes. It's very rare for a company to be that transparent with their product. I will for sure buy from them.
Really like the higher speed video with voice over. Also enjoy seeing what REALLY IS/is not in these shoes you dissect.
In short, common projects is overrated and overpriced.
Common projects popularized the lux white sneaker, if you go out wearing koios people are going to ask if you're wearing cps.
With cps your paying for a very valuable name.
Edit: I'm not saying you should buy cps, but who tf has heard of koio's or Cabell's? Most people assume any of the cp copies are cp's until you tell them otherwise.
@@cademccaslin3292 Sounds like hypebeast logic to me.
@@cademccaslin3292 I'm pretty sure that most people aren't in the know about Common Projects man. White sneakers just look like white sneakers to the vast majority
CP still have a better look. The sleekness is still unmatched. If you’re someone who thinks they look the same that’s fine, get Stan Smiths. The name and the style is what your paying for. You can say hypebeast because the brand is super hyped I understand. And if you’re only buying it for the brand that response is true. But you can’t buy the look of the shoe without paying the price. Plus they sell in stores so there’s going to be a mark up compares to direct consumer shoes.
It's only overrated if you obsess over what others think about your outfit and wanting to look like you only make "smart" purchases.
Axel arigato would be a one to break down too. Good job btw! Gonna tell my friends about your youtube channel.
Waiting for this one!
yes same!
I second this
Can't wait to see that !
Bro i wrote to their IG page a few weeks ago they responded me that they will look into my suggestion.. if more people get to write to their insta page maybe it could work!! I’d love to see my fresh pair of clean 90 sneaker in these videos
Waiting for Artisan lab white sneakers , from Europe with love.
Yes ! How we get them on here lol
@@joshp9474 Maybe they can sponsor review of they product , and give us discount 😂
I have them, very nice quality👌
Interested to see them ripped up though😂👍
When i first started watching you i thought you were talking about prison shanks
Vadim Novikov Some folks say that prison shanks are literally derived from the metal shanks in prison boots. I dunno if it's true, but it's interesting
JohnPeter Bekker how would they get ahold of prison boots?
twilit No clue, but I'm guessing it's the start of what would become folks not being allowed shoelaces & elastic waistbands in some prisons
@@Skeejus yes that is actually where the word originated. Back in the day, prisoners would tear apart and use the shanks to make slashing/stabbing weapons. I don’t know if their footwear still have metal shanks in them nowadays but probably still. Their boots are too expensive though so I doubt they would destroy their boots for the shanks when metal is easily acquired in prison.
You know these shoe brands really do respect what you do. I mean, Koio says on their website that they don't do discounts but you were able to get a discount code out of them. And then here's OC giving a discount code as well. Also a consumer, knowing which brand is willing to have their products dissected is such a huge deal maker/breaker.
Curious to see the same dissection of the Greats Royale. I posted same on their IG.
Same here. I enjoy their shoes, but still interested in seeing a dissection.
tbh there is so many minimal shoes that even if he does all the white minimal shoes there still gonna be new ones 😂, im so tired of reviewing different minimal shoes
Consider breaking down the oversized sneaker from Alexander McQueen.
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A colleague of mine has two pairs and i silently shook my head when i first saw them knowing he paid approx $500 a pair. They look poorly made af.
@@azoique let me let you in on a lil secret. Luxury goods often go on sale 50-70% in end of season sales, a lot of people in to stuff like this don't pay the original price. Also, I can't believe he would buy another pair after already owning one pair! He must really hate himself... or maybe he really likes them, who knows.
3hit umm.. oversized sneakers from Alexander Mcqueen doesnt go on that much sales. only not very polpular items would go low priced
@@dnd9768 it took me 5 seconds to find a pair for sale for $210 usd... idk what you're talking about
After a long search for "the perfect white sneakers" I decided to go with the Olivers. Excited to see how they measure up!
How did you like them?
@@russellfrancis813 The quality is top notch! I would especially recommend buying from them if you live in the US. FYI they are a little on the narrow side.
Really great video.
I do think that Oliver Cabell have got to be overstating their costs though. There's no way they're making that little margin.
I get what you're saying but I think since it is an online store, with minimal marketing, there is far less costs involved than retail. And apparel tends to be marked up 300x-1000x
This video was fantastic. I love seeing the price breakdown and profit margin. I immediately went over to Oliver Cabell and ordered a pair of shoes. Keep up the good work!
Are OC a good pair? How did you like them?
Another great 'dissected' video 🙌🏾watching this makes me happy that I decided to buy Oliver Cabell Low 1's over the Common Projects Achilles Low. I've had mine for over 2 years now and they're still going strong. I researched both pairs of shoes heavily as well as the Koio Capri Tripple Low-Tops and I decided to go with Oliver Cabell. I just couldn't justify the price of the other two and I liked the transparency of Oliver Cabell and the pricing breakdown of their shoes on their website. It's very refreshing to see such transparency within a luxury sneaker brand. Glad I went with my gut and got the same quality shoe for much cheaper.
Buying from Canada, CPs are marginally more expensive due to currency conversion. If Oliver Cabell or Koio offered better international shipping, then I'd consider them.
Just bought Oliver Cabells, living in Southwestern Ontario and had free shipping. Not sure if there'll be a duty charge though.
John Rodericks That’s great to hear from another Canadian. The importing duties is the only thing holding me back from getting them. I’d love to hear what happens once you receive them!
@@InformationRequired Redditor's talk about an approximate $89 dollar charge for duties when the shoes arrive in Canada. Can you confirm if you were charged?
@@okallup8012 yeah, the shoes ended being almost $350 CDN with the duty charges.
@@InformationRequired I'm torn, I was ready to buy before reading about this. How are the shoes? Do they squeak at all when you walk? Are they soft and have you ever tried on a pair of Common Projects? If so how do they compare?
Really interesting to see. I still think it's crazy to see how the reputation of CP has blown up over the years. I have a pair from 2006 when they were known as the 'budget fashion shoe company' and 60% of the modern prices. Mine lasted 6 years of near daily wear, so I'm more than happy with the value for money, but I would not pay modern prices for them. Doubly so knowing that they are little different to cheaper companies and the whole aesthetic of CPs, in the last at least, was to be understated. Not that I really buy fashion shoes any more anyway.
I got two pairs in EU from internet for 450. That's about what people should pay for it, if they're any smart. You got to look for sales, deals, store credit and birthday stuff etc... I got exactly what I wanted at the right size, it just took a couple hours to find the best deals but now I have em.
Another excellent "exploratory laparotomy." Can't wait till you do GREATS Royale next. So far I'm leaning towards Oliver Cabell's. Awesome!!👍👍👍
Just FYI (and full disclosure I own a pair of the white Koio's and two pairs of different colored Greats Royales), in my research picking which ones I wanted, with Oliver Cabells being heavily considered, i discovered they have a lot a QC issues with products getting sold that are sub par. Google "Oliver Cabell reddit" and you'll come across threads with picture examples & comment sections discussing what I'm talking about.
Re: Shank strip, it's already a very minimal shoe so you need all the help you can get.
I believe the shank strip is there to help your plantar fascia and prevent overstretching in the wrong places in your feet.
The shank strip is there so that part of the shoe has rigidity when you walk and promotes bending of the shoe only in the front part of the shoe (ball of your feet), keeping the back ~2/3 straight when you walk and flex your walking foot muscles.
Due to circumstances, I had to buy a pair of $20 AU boots. 3 weeks later, the sole tore off. As an experiment, I took it more or less to bits, using everything that I have learned from you. Put it back together. Just glue. The damned thing has done a few klms around the paddock now. The untouched one is falling apart. I did peel the fake leather back and went to the base material, but hell, it was fun to try it. Thank you so much. One day, I would love a pair of those "Nick's" boots, but on benefits, so it's something to dream about. Thank you for your sharing of knowledge.
I ordered a pair of these and they're on the way. This video has validated my purchase!!
have u received it?
I literally got an ad about "made in italy" white sneakers on this video 💀
Also for the longest time I thought this guy's actual name was rose anvil but I just noticed the name card that literally tells you his name smh
There's some nihilistic aesthetic in seeing such things torn apart just to see what they really are.
Edit: If you ignore the fact that this is also an advertisement .
not sure you know what nihilism is
Advertisement or not, who gives a shit
I totally agree with you. Some level of sweet satisfaction. Like a rage room for shoes...
Love this video. Thanks for making it.
i did miss the part were you peel the leather a little to see if its full grain, top grain or genuine!
Did you not hear him say its the same leather as the common project/sourced from the same factory. So it's top grain. All these shoes seem to come out of the same factory, the Koios also had the same leather.
thanks for giving us real and usable info to make better buying decisions
Nice review and commentary in addressing bias and all! From the top down view, it seems that the difference from CPs and OCs is the silhouette if anything worth noting.
I guess the price of both is the difference between what comes first? If Oliver cabell made the “first” minimalist “premium leather sneaker”, what are the odds that they’d be tempted to jack up their prices 🤷♂️
"Made in Italy" but only sold in/from the US...
Because only Americans would buy a $90 shoe for double its price...
@@basurofobo thats a bit uncalled for I think, they are for sure the minority. There's bougie people all over the world we dont lay claim to it haha.
basurofobo most products we buy are marked up way more than that.
That’s because it’s a USA company that makes shoes in Italy just for The USA which they know stupid people buys them just because it says made in Italy With crappy materials
Juan Yepez why are they stupid people? Some people have the money to spend. One can say why spend money on water when you can drink from the tap. That’s stupid etc.... If you work for your money you can spend it on what ever you like. I’m sure there are things that you buy that has a less costing alternative no matter how much you dislike it. Just trying to stop the negative rhetoric people use so easily. CP’s aren’t for everyone but shouldn’t that just not be for you and we move on with no judgment?
the serial number on the sides gives the common projects a distinctive and sophisticated style that has made the brand recognizable from the “rest” but I think you should only buy the common projects on sale
lowest ive seen the whites go for was 178$, I prefer the silhouette over other white sneakers, but I haven't work mine since early 2017
Even though its sponsored gotta give em respect for allowing their product to be scrutinised like this. It shows confidence.
These tear downs are brilliant, really well put together. Just shows you what you are really spending your hard earned cash on.
I buy gear like I buy tools, quality always wins. That said, it would be interesting to see a tear down of an Ali-express/Wish/Amazon Basics kind of footwear.
I just received these yesterday and they are a stunning sneaker. Very sleek, clean, super-white look. Could easily be worn with a suit or with jeans and a t-shirt. Excellent versatility. I wore them today for first time breaking them in and I am sure they will fit nicey when completed. Only issue I have is they are incredibly heavy for their size, but that is because of the quality.
Thanks for showing the quality of different white sneakers. It makes me feel better about spending more than $100 on a pair if shoes
Golden Goose superstar.
The bandsaw!!!!! something about just brings me joy
Why don't brands like these that label themselves with 'made in italy' not sell their products in europe? There is nothing in them that could not be made in the US and there are plenty of europeans that would buy them if only they were sold in Europe.
We ship to Europe
You may not know this, but shoes can be bought on the internet.
@@olivercabell8913 A pair of Low whites cost $188,- plus $17.39 shipping (DHL) plus 16.9% import tax over price + shipping ($ 34.7) plus 21% sales tax over the total of that makes them $290.50. If send to europe from the US. why not sell them here if they are made here in europe anyway.
@@renatoetzi You can check out Svensson shoes, Artisan Lab and AdaysMarch. All minimal sneakers with Margom Soles and Full Grain leather.
@@renatoetzi because inventory
The leather is thinned out (skived) in the heel so that when other leathers are layered on top, it doesn’t get too thick and bulky.
the shank protects your foot arch from over bending in motion (tortional support )
Just got a pair in slate can't wait to break them in
Bought oliver cabell low 1 transparents last year and barely worre them... looking forward to busting them out again this summer
I've been wanting a pair of Commons for a very long time but really can't bring myself to paying that much for such a simple sneaker. This has been very insightful. I doubt I'll get a pair now. lol.
Notes on Pricing and Profits. For something that cost $120 and sells for $190 is actually very little profits for luxury items. ( And insanely good value to consumers ) So in this case Common Project isn't make killer profits at all. You have to sell it at a volume. And that is where the equation changes. $1 profits is little if you are selling in thousands, but huge if you are selling in billions. Also worth mentioning these cost does not include marketing, accounting and operational expenses. They actually include Shipping inside the cost which is not the norm *but* that is the intended case as Oliver Cabells provide *free* shipping. ( Nothing is ever free. You are paying for it one way or another. ) It also does not include expenses such as damage, returns etc.
Not in anyway affiliate with Oliver Cabells. And have no information or experience with Footwear industry. So I dont know if the $120 Cost is even true. But trusting Rose with his expertise on leather. Although I still think cost were over estimate a little, but shouldn't really change much with regards to value. Will definitely try and order one, assuming they ship to Hong Kong.
Would love to see a 2021 version with all new line-up like Axel Arigatos Clean 90 and Raf Simons Orions
That bandsaw cuts like butter
Good Man Brand sneakers are made in Italy and are commonly considered a great alternative to CP’s. They’d probably sponsor your video, as well. Or, maybe dissect one of Great’s Royal sneaker. They’re a popular brand. I bet CP’s might send Luca Brasi to your home soon!
Another belting video mate! I find this series very interesting but its not good for my unhealthy shoe habbit haha. I've just dropped a laptop case video it would be amazing if you could give me some pointers on how to improve!
the different deconstruction method on this was on point and I feel like showing both that and the section really gives a more look into how the shoe is constructed. I hope the next shoes would be done this way. I hope you get sponsored by ArtisanLab in the future
I'm happy to learn from this video that buying this shoe is worth the price cuz I recently have two and very much happy with it.
Nice. If i ever need a pair of white sneakers in the future, i'm going for oliver cabells.
Fav vid so far. I'm really fond of this brand for a variety of reasons. Beckett Simonon as well.
After watching this video I have to say your the most trusted opinion in the sneaker game in my opinion. I watched a bunch of videos after this one comparing common projects to Cabell and koio and its funny to see so many ppl automatically assume CP are so much more luxe when you prove definitively that they really aren't. I'm looking forward to you doing a pair of sneakers by Greats or Buscemi since they sell themselves as the Hermes of sneakers and even based their shoe on a birkin bag and sell for about a thousand bucks
I really like these guys. Would love to chat further with Scott and find out more about his brand and what inspired him to start up Oliver Cabell. Great video as always
Sgabrielson@olivercabell.com
Oliver Cabell thanks a lot, much appreciated. Will drop you a mail early next week. We in the process of launching in the US so looking forward to chatting and hearing your story. All the best
Another great video for the people Weston. Thank you kindly!
I would love to see Alexander McQueens Oversized sneakers cut in half!
I ordered Oliver Cabell Low 1's and received shoes marked made in Spain. The company had me send a picture which I did and I have heard nothing. I have strong doubts about this company.
Literally had the same thing happen to me. You have to keep pestering their support email until they respond. They sent me a shipping label for me to ship the shoes back to get the made in italy version. I shipped the shoes on June 9th. A week later they say they've requested my replacement to be processed. I then asked for a tracking number. 2 days later, they say they're gonna get me the tracking number as soon as the fulfillment team says they have it. Another 10 days pass, and I ask them again for the tracking number. Finally yesterday, they said my order has been processed for shipping and they would get me the tracking number that same day, but nothing as of today. From what I can tell, they're trying to offload inventory of an older version of the sneaker which does NOT have a margom sole and was made in Spain, but selling it as Made in Italy with a margom sole, hoping no one would notice. Well people DO notice. The made in Spain version should be discounted, or at least sold as a separate item. This company definitely has some things to change
Also noticed they advertise $177.10
as "TODAY ONLY" VS REGULAR $205.
This "today only" keeps going for at least several weeks since I visited their web site for the first time. And their support was not helpful addressing sizing questions from the prospective customer, neither interested overall. Does not seem reliable company indeed
Yes same thing happened to me their responses were equal to we don’t care if you want Italian version it will be 50 return shipping and we might send you the version you ordered then!
Could you have a look at "Svenssons"? Supposedly full-grain hand made in Italy. (Now on 50% sale)
Please look at the Adidas Continental 80 or the Supercourt
Seems like the most worthy one of my money, glad i purchased it even though i didnt get the discount in time haha
Should do some lineman specialty boots such ass halls or west coast boots to see if the shanks are any different
Really loving these videos! So helpful and informative for the consumer.
I wished there was like a walk through exhibit with bisected shoes and other stuff just to give people an idea of how their most basic items are made. to be fair your workshop is starting to look like a very cool shoe museum. I approve.
I love your videos! Keep doing what you're doing ❤ Also yes, cut the damn laces!
OMG you just made my request from last video! Thank you!
You made that purchase decision soooo much simpler for me.
Would be funny to see some sort of price breakdown of the golden goose sneakers
Please do the Axel Arigatos Clean 90's next!
one of the best videos so far ... i would love to see a final comparison between all of them
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS.
Very Humbe man ,and makes great content ,this is one of my top 5 RUclips channels !
Artisan labs next please!
As we speak, Oliver Cabell rose the prices of their white sneakers to $200
Great Video! I thought the format of this one was really good and I enjoyed it a lot. Really hoping to see Greats as that’s what I own!
The shank is meant to limit flexibility and provide stability to an otherwise flexible shoe. It’s probably not 100% necessary in sneakers like it is in dress shoes (for example) where it’s needed for support so the heel drop doesn’t collapse overtime.
Hi Rose Anvil, can you do a video on Thursday boots?
Please do a Cole haan leather upper and rubber sole dissect/cut in half video
Great video and extremely informative. I always said I would never pay $400+ for a pair of sneakers and now I know for SURE i wouldn't based on your tear down and price breakdown. It's always good to know you can get the same quality of a competing product at a better price. Thank you!
How about dissecting a pair of Clark’s Desert Boots? They are not too expensive but there are a lot of cheap rivals - such as Roamers brand.
Roamers soles wear down to a honeycomb fairly quickly. I don’t know about Clark’s crepe soles and whether they last sufficiently longer to make them worth the extra.
Please cut in half the "Reebok Club c 85 in-white" everyone needs see that!!
Cut open a pair of FEIT sneakers or even Hender Scheme.
price points on these two much higher than cp, i’d be curious to see what the internals are like. feit quality overall seems on point, plus they do resoles if i’m not mistaken?
hender scheme seems like some good quality stuff as well. can only infer based on handling the products, not owning any though. unwilling to spend that amount right now lol
@@nameloss I've owned both, both are great quality, but with different approaches. Feit's earlier shoes were death traps with their leather soles, but they seem to have it sorted now. Hender Scheme is all about the patina.
Yaaaarrrrr Minimalist Saturday
Price transparency. I was not expecting that.
Another great video keep them coming
Will you do a video Thursday boots??
Crown Northampton’s please ! Would be a great add to the ‘luxury’ white sneaker. Love to spend my money on the best materials/value out there and these reviews are helping figure out what that is
I don't get why people pay so much for these generic white trainers (especially common projects) for high prices. The quality isn't amazing and I feel like the soles are so thin they will wear out in no time and it's not like people can tell (like other recognisable high end trainers such as Yeezys) without getting up real close to see the actual brand to be impressed (if you're one of those folks who are impressed by such things). Maybe it's just the internal buzz from wearing expensive generic shoes but you'd think the quality would match the price more.
i wouldn't call cp luxury but it's premium, and premium brands in fashion usually attract young people who wanna show off or simply like the shoe but most of them can't really afford it, the quality isn't the main factor, does it look good ? do you like it ? is the quality decent ? these are the things that usually matter when buying something.and overall the price of cp isn't that bad.
Short answer. Luxury. Quality is not the priority here. This brand is perceived as a luxury brand. People buy them because they can. Because they are doing well, are successful and want to show of. Regarding the generic look. Not everyone need to know you have a $400 shoe. The people who will recognize them probably own them too(unless you're really into trainers) therefore it kind of puts them on the same "level" if you know what I mean.
Thank you mister I appreciate the honesty and diligence to pursue the truth behind all these brands, thanks for the education and laying the facts in order to know the consumer decide whether its worth it or not. Keep it up, congrats from Perú 🇵🇪👍🏻, even though we dont have these fancy brands here I heard of them and now thanks to you Sir, I know better.😌👍🏻
Any chance of doing Golden Goose!!!?
"For you psychos that just like seeing stuff cut in half." That might be the most abrasive thing I've heard you say in any of your videos and I laughed so hard! Love this channel!
You should also do for football boots like Adidas Copa 20, Nike Tiempo, Puma One..
In short, buy all white Stan Smiths
I'll be buying my first white shoes from oliver.
Funny thing is, CPs are more common than Oliver Cabells on 2nd hand marketplaces. On eBay you can find CPs cheaper than Cabells because of how few people know about them and how saturated the market for CPs are
I like both shoes. I cannot afford it but I understand they are luxury brands that cater for a certain type of clientele.
honestly, this kind of "made in italy" is just a meme to inflate the price, these shoes are made in sweatshops full of immigrants in the Prato/ outer Milan area. If you want something made by authentic italian artisans try Velasca.
it.velasca.com/pages/sneakers
so inmigrants are bad?
@@martinquinonez1935 way to intentionally miss his point. He's not saying immigrants are bad he's saying that calling it's "made in Italy" implies that it's made by Italians
Martin Quiñonez nice straw man argument you got there.
@@martinquinonez1935 what kind of retarded argument is that, would you call a shoe made in Spain by a Swedish with French materials and 2/3 of automated processes a "made in Spain" shoe?
They don't even pay taxes in Italy, they're just leeching Italian good name in luxury products.
I get political correctness but this is outlandish.
Transit $12.50
Shipping $11.50
What's with two separate shipping charges?