At this point, Tyler is a guy you can count on for a good album end to end. The success is deserved. I actually think he's more fashionable than Kanye too.
kanye dresses more chill than tyler other than the platinum grill. i like tyler’s fits way more but if he wasn’t also handsome there is zero way he could pull that shit off lmao
Tyler’s fashion is more delicate and well thought out. Kanye just wears weird shit even if it looks like dogshit just to seem subversive and “ahead of the times” in a really pretentious, annoying way. Sort of the same approach they respectively took to their recent albums too.
It’s so great that someone who was passed off as a joke for so long has been able to have the opportunity to be considered “One of the best,”. Some people need second chances.
Great point! His earlier works were sort of a ragebait, but he already had a concept. He just outgrew it to become a ‘real’ artist. He really outgrew himself artisticly and it would be silly to have them pull his recent work down. He did everything by himself and that is very commendable, he started to take music seriously and showed real talent.
Tyler's numbers these days are a living proof that rappers should never be ashamed of being nerds about their craft and taking themselves seriously, i see many artists in hiphop right now not being true to their core ideals when it comes to the artistic output and while Tyler has probably earned a very favorable position where he is in charge of his brand, many rappers regardless of their condition should try to follow his steps, we really need more guys geeking about chords, flows, samples or even just delving into production
No goofy they shouldnt look at yeat almost killing his career wit 2093💀 tylerthemissinglink is jus DEI and diddy n with the elections coming up it inflated those political points not to mention he's been the defacto for tiktok intellectual music😂✌️
Anthony I just want ya to know that I’m feeling pretty crummy rn with everything going on in the world and life in general. I wasn’t planning on eating dinner cuz I just didn’t see a point. But dropping this video made me get up and make sum food and eat while the vid was running
even though im just a random person im glad you got up and got something to eat for the day man, always essential for the body and i hope the day/night gets better (:
For the comments mentioning Danny Brown or JPEGMAFIA. As good as they are, they don't have the success close to the Big 3 or Tyler. They're very underground at the moment.
Yeah that is more like a rap nerd Big 3 conversation. Not nearly the same spotlight when looking at the industry. That said, both have solid discographies over several years.
Man 2011 and 2012 were an unmatched time. To be a tyler fan was wild. Pink OFWGKTA shirts lol donut shirts and now just seeing him grow through flower boy till now is just so insane man now im 26 and to grow up as his music matures has just been the best.
I’m 40 now I graduated from uni in 2009 I wasn’t a fan of Tyler’s until wolf but I was aware of him I just didn’t like the dark Eminem vibes (coz I never liked em) but I loved Earl and Frank and Tyler was a real curiosity to me they reminded me of wu-tang which I grew up with as an early teen. (Forever was one of the first hip hop records I owned) wolf reminded me so much of the first time I heard MF DOOM cherry bomb weirded me out but had its moments and made me go back and find positives in his previous work. Then flowerboy had me hooked for two years igor two years cmiygl two fucking years!?! The depth the swerves he’s made as an artist watching him grow exponentially as an artist with every project. When I first heard him he was a kid to me but now our age gap isn’t that far I remember hitting thirty and feeling left behind because my friends all got married and had kids and I chose to be an artist that gives himself to the craft. Dude even wore the same hat as me during cmiygl trapper hat at the beach has always been my vibe 😅
I did a deep dive about this on my channel the other week. Been following you and Justin for a while now - so happy you guys linked up for this conversation
My answer to the question at 21:30 mark about how does Tyler, the Creator stick out for large audience, is summed up by Anthony quite a bit when explaining the question. Tyler's appeal is the idea that Tyler does not fit a mold and in today's internet culture is surrounded by trends and culture vultures. People who drive their own innovations is admired by passionate listeners, and that's why him and Kendrick are so beloved for the culture. Unlike Drake who rides the waves of trends and just looks bland overall which has shown in his past few albums. The levels of experimental music and risk taking they are willing to take at their peaks in popularity is what makes them shine.
This is also why I like jpeg mafia so much, I see so much similarity between him and Tyler even when they are on different sides of the musical spectrum
For the One Piece verse, yes. He’s probably gonna have a big impact soon with his updated bounty. But if you meant big 3 wise, One Piece is never ruled out that argument.
I guess that's a generational thing? Like the original big 3 all came up early 2010s, whereas Kanye had already been making huge waves for a decade by then
I disagree, kanye isnt in the convo anymore because of his music hasnt been big and influential like that in a long time, his golden era came and went, whereas tyler's moment is now, he is at his peak
@ Kanye was never in the in the convo and is hardly ever put in the “Top…” hip hop/mc lists. Tyler and Ye happen to rap, but they’re more all round artists rather than just hiphop. Tyler will never be “big 3”, because he’s in a different lane even though I believe his discography is better than Drake and cole
One thing tangential to the ian thing is how tyler has been expressing how much he cares about hip-hop and the art behind it. It almost feels that the archetype of the ideal rapper these days is the guy who shows up to a studio inebriated and says whatever comes to mind and its fire. Everyone seems to want to have their lil wayne moment, so its nice to see the opposite, someone willing to be like "i care about this shit, this shit is hard and its important
The fact that Tyler's pen got sharper reflects this. He went out of his way to make it clear he wanted to make a "RAP" album with CMIYGL and not be pigeonholed into the artsy goofball lane. The kid who made Goblin got a Gangsta Grillz project about vacationing and it rocked
Jcole was never really a big3 if we’re being honest lol rap skill wise i guess he is but he is no where near mainstream success as drake and kendrick like not even close AT all
I can understand leaving Kanye out of discussion now after JIK and Vultures, but saying Kanye wasnt in the Big 3 in the 2010s is ridiculous and rewriting history
He wasn't. 💀 Kanye dropped classics in the 2010s, but the Big 3 is for rappers who ORIGINATED and CAME UP in the 2010s. Kanye been dropping classics since the 2000s, probably before you were born. The 2010s-2020s is NOT Kanye's era/peak of popularity. I will say he's the best producer out of the 2010s though, and he ain't ever drop a miss. Just straight CLASSICS. MBDTF, Watch The Throne, The Life of Pablo, Kids See Ghosts, Yeezus, and Ye. Man was not missing, it all went downhill the moment Vultures came...
DEI diddy glaze by the cueball its obviously kanye😂✌️kendrick maxed out on wokeness,drake wit auxness,and kanye wit abstractness all sides are covered with em geezers
I feel big 3 is now a redundant concept. Unless Drake is able to prove he still has that market power that he consistently did previously; only Kendrick is still up there. J Cole though skilled will probably never be able to say that again, not because he bowed out but because he seemed to need some sort of reassurance with how Port Antonia has played out. Too much insecurity for someone claiming to be the best.
Drake only has mass appeal these days, most of his albums are lacklustre at best. Only reason he is still put in the big 3 is just because he is so popular
Couldn't agree with these takes more. I have been Tyler/OF fan since the conception, I still remember downloading bastard off of Tumblr back when Lucas vercetti and Eddie were members. Tyler's evolution has been crazy. I have had to defend this man so many times especially during the cherry bomb era. Just remember kids my age, when we were bumping this stuff it was considered underground/cringy/shock jock. Now Tyler has Grammys, frank has Grammys, taco is successful, Lionel is successful, earl is a respected poet and underground artist. Your crews dream can come true.
I feel Tyler is in his own lane like Kanye. He doesn’t have to be competing with Cole drake or Kenny cause because he’s developed so much of an audience and appeal that it naturally competes and can be bigger than the bigger 3
Tyler the creator does not have a fan base that could supersede the big 3 convo and Kanye in his prime was way bigger audience as well. Yall throw Kanye’s name in anytime an unconventional rapper gets popular.
@patrick05Morgan Tyler has more monthly listeners than J Cole. He has a clothing brand, music festival and his albums have gone multi platinum, making the same amount of sales as Kanye’s. I bring up Kanye because like Kanye he paved his own lane and gone on to influence so many people. Tyler has been one of the biggest Alt. Hip-Hop acts of the past decade and if you don’t believe that then you’re not paying attention.
disagree. hip hop can be narrowed down to who is important right now without worrying about what lanes they’re in. i feel like people want to disregard tyler because he comes off a certain way and i can’t get behind putting his cultural differences in front of his work as a way to keep him out of convo. his refusal to leave the mainstream and criticize it puts him a cut above others if anything
Even in 2011 I instantly recognized Tyler as a smart, talented, art student ass kid. He was rapping about being on honor roll. The rape and stuff was just shock factor, as any art student ass kid is want to try out. Some of y’all never knew art student ass kids in school and it shows. Kendrick even mentioned him alongside Drake and J. Cole in the “Control” verse. I’m just surprised it’s taken people till now to start recognizing Tyler’s importance and individuality. He’s been that guy since day 1. As for J. Cole, I swear the song about losing his virginity and “Get Off My Dick” are the only 2 songs I’ve really remember from him. Tyler’s got AMAZING presence on the mic, a unique voice, different tonalities, theatricality, etc. J. Cole just has normal ass rapper voice. But having an iconic voice like Tyler's is just a natural born gift. Talent and hard work can’t even give you that. Tyler is that dude, and even beats Kendrick in several areas of artistic comparison. End rant.
So does Tupac and Jay z. They have the normal rap voice but no one questions it. Tyler is more artistic than cole it happens, and so is kendrick, kanye, andre 3000. Cole's problem is that he is not very expressly artistic and bold ( with the arrogance)
@jerrys1 he's seriously underrated lol ask most people, especially mainstream, so little will mention jpeg or even recognize the name. Even his hyped STH album did not have much numbers compared to his contemporaries. Great discography but definitely underrated.
There are 6 big players in hip-hop today that came up in the early 2010s; Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Future, Travis Scott, and Tyler the Creator. Which order they are in or which 3 are the “big 3” is all debatable but they all are in the conversation at the very least.
His career is kind of amazing to look back at. I know I'm always going to give him "extra" credit because of the sheer ambition in so much of what he does, and how much he clearly cares about the craft of making music, about knowing musical history, about searching far and wide for sounds and influences. I'm always sympathetic to people who take big swings, even when they whiff. But Tyler's ability to take big swings and just smash it consistently is really amazing.
I would say kendrick tyler and put travis there instead of drake. he has the numbers and influence and makes way better music than drake. even though I think the gap between travis and the other 2 is quite significant he's a better fit than both drake and j cole.
litterally. people simultaneously say theres no big 3 and then switch rappers out of it like these are official placements. its ironic how the big 3 has been constantly invalidated since the beef, and yet we are just now attempting to replace them in 2024. im okay with moving on from this era and finding a new big 3, but to just shift it around slightly after almost a decade feels like that gives it more value instead of less overall.
This is the same thing that happened with the Big 3 of manga. There is history behind the term in both cases but people don't take it into account and just go and rewrite history
This so stupid. Love tyler but come on. “Cole is on the downturn” fantano literally ranked off season as his best album. Tyler and cole both dropped in 2021 and cole practically doubled tylers first week sales. Cole has being doing this since 2010 when tyler was a wannabe eminem still.
More like the JJBA: -Considered "weird" by some -Every project is always good, great or perfect -Immaculate detail and beautiful themes in the art and story -Gay
Dot and Cole are rapping better than anyone in the Industry right now... Cole has an insane pen and flow... He remains. Tyler can be in the next gen big 3... Not this one.
I’m a big J Cole fan. And I would say he doesn’t deserve ALL of this disrespect. But he does deserve some criticism for the way he’s handled things imo.
I think the problem with this conversation is that Tyler's music isn't limited to just rap, and he doesn't want to just be a rapper either at this point in this career. I think in terms of the quality of the music, he absolutely washes Cole completely, but some lyrical miracle fan might prefer Cole because he is a more traditional rapper.
More Fantano x TCM link ups please and thank you. One of the best things to come out of 2024 is all my favorite music commentators and analysts are linking up and giving me hours upon hours of content to geek out about.
If JID has another hit albums I would def agree but rn he doesn’t have a large enough discography to go off of. Def one of the best rappers in the game rn and he’s just getting started.
Tyler can't make a Johnny P's Cadee. Nor a Secert Recipe. Nor the Climb back. He doesn't have that pen. They are good at different things. J cole can't make an Igor nor CMIYGL nor Chromakopia
I just wanna say, this video was quite enjoying to watch and listen to from start to finish and was just very interesting to learn a lot about hip hop as someone who is relatively new to the genre but is a huge Tyler fan. Good job, Anthony and Justin!
you know chromakopia didn't absolutely kill it for me musically but when i compare it to everything else... it shits on absolutely everyone and it's not even close. and i still appreciate the body of work. i appreciate the art and i will listen to it because i see it and i feel it. there's a real story there and it's told really well. tyler the creator has completely mastered artistry.
@@footyfreeks6959 It should be about the quality of the music, not about how much it sells. Drake can make catchy songs but the quality of his albums is nowhere near goat status.
@@AdamAdam-md4mi bum is just hating. I know Tyler’s Discog clears but 4YEO is an album as good as igor imo. And CMIYGL and off season and 2014 FHD are equal. KOD is bastard level. Born sinner is wolf level. Overall Tyler Discog better bc of chromakopia and flower boy
Kendrick is so clear. The only reason for any “big 3” conversations before was because J. Cole was genuinely up there in terms of rapping ability & Drake was the most famous & successful in terms of numbers/popularity. Tyler is nowhere near Kdot, however I would say he is a better artist than both of the other 2 in terms of the full package he delivers.
Tyler and OF got me back into hip hop after that boring era of crunk and auto crooners. He's always been in my top 3 since then. Justin is the man! It's all happening ❤
I feel this fr. God I remember what it felt like when Yonkers dropped. It felt like such a breath of fresh air, or rather maybe a big cloud of cigarette smoke after too much manufactured recycled hospital air or smth bc it was so gritty and jarring and DIFFERENT. It slapped the game awake and was such a fucking moment and I'm so glad I got to live through that firsthand. He's done nothing but grow exponentially since, with each successive album drop. He doesn't just adapt the way Drake does; he innovates. I'm a shameless glazer for Tyler til death tho
@@dangerxbadger2300I couldn't have said it better. That's when I first heard him and I would show all my friends how dynamic OF was because it felt kinda punk and we all drifted off towards bands instead of hip hop. A fresh perspective is all it took for me to love hip hop again.
I like listening to this rhetoric at 31:11 because as a long time listener of Tyler, He's always been pushing the "Just be yourself" motto. And honestly speaking, he;s always possessed a lot of the qualities discussed. He's always been about fashion, he's always made designs, he's always been exceptional at beat making, etc. I think maybe the lyrics from that era turned people off from actually seeing what he was saying and doing but me and many other long time fans never were surprised to see Tyler throw a festival, build clothing stores, make a tv show. All of what he has done has always been on brand and he's been very open about wanting to do these things since his first few tapes.
I feel like if Tyler said "I'm the best ever", that would be less bold statement than "biggest out the city after Kenny that's a fact". Specific enough to be making an actual claim.
I think as an artist, it just makes me happy to listen to music that feels so authentic. I think the personality of his music changes with time because it's HIS personality. Whether that expresses itself as a character like Igor, or series of stories like Chromakopia, or just themed abstract songs like Flower Boy, it never feels like he's doing anything for the sake of mass appeal. It can almost make me frustrated as an artist to hear someone so consistently capable of putting themselves into their art with such creativity and consistency.
I’m 24, love all the new material and faces tyler has presented in more recent time but he’s been in the big 3 since Wolf. anyone that’s from southern california knows the type of influence he’s had since day 1, had everyone wanting to wear supreme 5 panels and vans.
Justin nailed his assessment of J Cole as the perfect starter lyricist. I never would have put that together, but that was exactly my experience with Cole.
Justin and Anthony, Anthony and FD Sig, FD Sig and Hasan....All my independent peeps like each other, and that's no coincidence...great and revolutionary minds have a certain tone, pitch and register I can appreciate.
I would love to see these two talking more often. Great points, great commentators in their own right (anthony has had his slipups recently, namely the halsey video) and they're kind of titans of music commentary. That said, if every video was like this it would be a bit of an echo chamber lmao.
In regards to the lyricism conversation and him supposedly not measuring up to the big 3, I need it to be understood that not only is Tyler’s strengths musicality, progressive imagination and topics, and artistry, probably his most effective skill is being one of the greatest constructive criticism note takers of his generation. Every album he gets better and he sharpens his skills because of his discipline and precision to the craft. He listens well to the criticism and adapts quickly so all he has to hear is a strong enough consensus that he isn’t lyrical enough and he will improve to the point that by time the next album or next couple of albums he will be a better wordsmith when it’s all said and done lol That’s what makes him so scary in this conversation because his percentage to get better and better is GUARANTEED where with the rest of the big 3 we can still say it’s up in the air and not as definitive lol. Think about it.
I think the 115k opening for might Delete later might have to do with the apology killing momentum for the album almost immediately but idk, to know for sure I’d have to look at any data there might be. It also could have been lack of interest for sure.
Man this is the best collab i could’ve asked for. 8:44 also i absolutely agree, probably because he came into the game as a wild 17-19 year old but as someone thts been following him since the early days it always feels like something new. Also GET FANTANO ON THE NEXT CULTURE UNITED EPISODE!!!!!
In a culture that has a… significant relationship with individualism, Tyler shines as a genius. He is in multiple lanes of creative success. He grew past the phase that led to resistance and protest early on, before the notion of “cancelling” was a thing. He’s earned Big 3, as said in this video.
The thing is, drake isn't in the big 3 based on his talents, he's there based on his mass appeal and sustained popularity. Ideally the big 3 has something from everyone, and at the moment (to me) it's: Drake- Dominates charts and mainstream music spheres Kendrick- The goat of concious hip hop, lyricism and story telling. Truly a once in a lifetime artist. Tyler- The whole package. amazing producer, creative director, designer, personality, and a pretty decent rapper/story teller to boot. Not to mention LGBT representation in hip hop is pretty huge and not something we see from many people in the industry.
I think bring cole back in and take drake out for tyler. To me, cole and drake can be spotty on their delivery with projects but cole is a better rapper than drake, so if either of them are going to be there it should be cole. If we were to replace cole/drake entirely I'd say give it to Denzel Curry. It's been long enough receiving great projects from him to give him his flowers.
i know this is controversial, but yachty and tyler are both aging well in their careers and, imo, are contenders for the topmost in terms of interest. just trying to name anyone making waves in their own communities and in others is difficult
I think instead of people talking about The Big Three, it should be seen more like ‘who is the figurehead for each section of hip-hop?’ No set number, but the most talented, influential and charismatic person within that sub-genre. That would allow all Kendrick, Drake, Tyler, Cole to all have a place at the top, being the leaders of that sound or type of music. Plus you could throw in people like Future or Travis for those types of rap styles and newer sounds. I think that just makes more sense, so ppl stop comparing people whose music differ alot, but still having that competitive drive for each artist to remain alongside the rest
JID really got to release more so he definitively dethrone Cole because I think he and his fans just keep saying he's big 3 more than he's been showing it
As a Tyler fan since 2012 is great to see fantanos opinion change. As a high school kid, all of Tyler's dark rebellious music resonated with me. Now that I'm pushing 30 it's cool to see how Tyler's music has matured with me and now I don't fw his older stuff. If I'm feeling a little rambunctious, I'll throw on some troncat but I get the criticisms he had when he reviewed his older work. I still think his old work has a lot of merit in the grand scheme of his discography as it shows growth and a genuine love of creating music. Will be cool to see how his music evolves as he gets older.
All I know is that Tyler is better than J. Cole in almost every way, and he makes better overall albums than everyone else in this conversation right now.
by "anyone else in this conversation" do you mean the people arguing for taking jcole's spot? Because kendrick is without a doubt bigger than tyler both in album quality and numbers, he deserves big 3 the most. I would say tyler could be a 3rd place after kendrick and drake (his albums are way better than drake's)
“Almost every way” the only thing Tyler has above Cole is production and artistry. Cole has better lyrics, better flows, and better wordplay. You’re yapping. Tyler is a big 3 artist, not a big 3 rapper
I've said this before and I'll say it again give Tyler a few years and people will realize he's one of the best artists of our generation, I'm not even a fan of Tyler but I believe in his potential
With the state of entertainment period we as consumers don’t receive enough consistency whether it’s movies, games and music. It’s great that when we hear a Tyler project is coming we can be excited for a good album.
At this point, Tyler is a guy you can count on for a good album end to end. The success is deserved. I actually think he's more fashionable than Kanye too.
But he isn’t as fasc-ionable as Kanye.
kanye dresses more chill than tyler other than the platinum grill. i like tyler’s fits way more but if he wasn’t also handsome there is zero way he could pull that shit off lmao
Tyler’s fashion is more delicate and well thought out. Kanye just wears weird shit even if it looks like dogshit just to seem subversive and “ahead of the times” in a really pretentious, annoying way. Sort of the same approach they respectively took to their recent albums too.
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Kanye had drip back in the day
It’s so great that someone who was passed off as a joke for so long has been able to have the opportunity to be considered “One of the best,”. Some people need second chances.
Artists should be allowed to grow without being pigeonholed into their old stuff. People who follow them for a long haul can be rewarded this way
Great point! His earlier works were sort of a ragebait, but he already had a concept. He just outgrew it to become a ‘real’ artist.
He really outgrew himself artisticly and it would be silly to have them pull his recent work down. He did everything by himself and that is very commendable, he started to take music seriously and showed real talent.
Even when he was a joke he made “Yonkers”. He had talent from the beginning, all he had to do was guide it correctly and actually make art.
Tiktok intellectual DEI diddy music 😂✌️
@@jech1216 english please
Tyler's numbers these days are a living proof that rappers should never be ashamed of being nerds about their craft and taking themselves seriously, i see many artists in hiphop right now not being true to their core ideals when it comes to the artistic output and while Tyler has probably earned a very favorable position where he is in charge of his brand, many rappers regardless of their condition should try to follow his steps, we really need more guys geeking about chords, flows, samples or even just delving into production
No goofy they shouldnt look at yeat almost killing his career wit 2093💀 tylerthemissinglink is jus DEI and diddy n with the elections coming up it inflated those political points not to mention he's been the defacto for tiktok intellectual music😂✌️
“Tell these black kids they can be who they are/ dye your hair blue shit I’ll do it too”
@@jech1216what
@@deafgate7473not sure but the “missing link” thing reads as racism
@@jech1216 2093 didnt do so great in terms of first week sales, but now its currently one of his most streamed albums ever
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Anthony I just want ya to know that I’m feeling pretty crummy rn with everything going on in the world and life in general. I wasn’t planning on eating dinner cuz I just didn’t see a point. But dropping this video made me get up and make sum food and eat while the vid was running
take care man❤
I hope things get better for you. It’s very understandable to feel that way. All I can offer is my best wishes and positive thoughts
even though im just a random person im glad you got up and got something to eat for the day man, always essential for the body and i hope the day/night gets better (:
stay safe
Never give up bro! ❤
For the comments mentioning Danny Brown or JPEGMAFIA. As good as they are, they don't have the success close to the Big 3 or Tyler. They're very underground at the moment.
Yeah that is more like a rap nerd Big 3 conversation. Not nearly the same spotlight when looking at the industry. That said, both have solid discographies over several years.
They're just as good despite that tho.
Maybe "niche" but not underground
they're not underground at all, they're just not as popular as tyler
def not at all underground lol
Drake being in the big 3 invalidates the big 3
amen
i mean you are right, he just pulls crazy numbers
@@Claudiofrom thats litterally it lol
@@Claudiofrom pulling crazy numbers is a signifier that he is very influential, highly listened to, and one of the most loved artists currently.
Sometimes a big ship sinks slowly.
Man 2011 and 2012 were an unmatched time. To be a tyler fan was wild. Pink OFWGKTA shirts lol donut shirts and now just seeing him grow through flower boy till now is just so insane man now im 26 and to grow up as his music matures has just been the best.
Now OF shirts mean sumthin else lmao
I’m 40 now I graduated from uni in 2009 I wasn’t a fan of Tyler’s until wolf but I was aware of him I just didn’t like the dark Eminem vibes (coz I never liked em) but I loved Earl and Frank and Tyler was a real curiosity to me they reminded me of wu-tang which I grew up with as an early teen. (Forever was one of the first hip hop records I owned) wolf reminded me so much of the first time I heard MF DOOM cherry bomb weirded me out but had its moments and made me go back and find positives in his previous work. Then flowerboy had me hooked for two years igor two years cmiygl two fucking years!?! The depth the swerves he’s made as an artist watching him grow exponentially as an artist with every project. When I first heard him he was a kid to me but now our age gap isn’t that far I remember hitting thirty and feeling left behind because my friends all got married and had kids and I chose to be an artist that gives himself to the craft. Dude even wore the same hat as me during cmiygl trapper hat at the beach has always been my vibe 😅
I did a deep dive about this on my channel the other week. Been following you and Justin for a while now - so happy you guys linked up for this conversation
No, it’s One Piece, Naruto and Bleach idk any other “big 3”.
Shout out Bleach
Where's Dragon Ball, the "intelligent and avid manga readers" at Facebook say Dragon Ball is in the big 3 (they told me "trust me bro")
@@pointman7512 tite kubo the goat fr
@@R3_En3zyProdThats like saying 2pac is in the big 3 😂
@@rangebrother that's like saying the N.W.A is in league with Drake 💀
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Chromakopia was great, last song is my favourite
good cheese
Thanks bro
thanks bro
For anybody like me, who got a little lost within the 1st minute, the video ends at 58:12
My answer to the question at 21:30 mark about how does Tyler, the Creator stick out for large audience, is summed up by Anthony quite a bit when explaining the question. Tyler's appeal is the idea that Tyler does not fit a mold and in today's internet culture is surrounded by trends and culture vultures. People who drive their own innovations is admired by passionate listeners, and that's why him and Kendrick are so beloved for the culture. Unlike Drake who rides the waves of trends and just looks bland overall which has shown in his past few albums. The levels of experimental music and risk taking they are willing to take at their peaks in popularity is what makes them shine.
This is also why I like jpeg mafia so much, I see so much similarity between him and Tyler even when they are on different sides of the musical spectrum
@@evanfox4401 production wise yes but tyler has so much more to say than jpegmafia lyrically imo
This is like when Luffy became a Yonko
For the One Piece verse, yes. He’s probably gonna have a big impact soon with his updated bounty. But if you meant big 3 wise, One Piece is never ruled out that argument.
Yonkers
I have never watched one piece, but I am still convinced you guys are just making up words
@@Whitifulhow could you be convinced otherwise if you’ve never watched it
@@Whitiful yon is four in japanese
Tyler isn't in the Big 3 convo the same way that Kanye has never been. Different lane
I guess that's a generational thing? Like the original big 3 all came up early 2010s, whereas Kanye had already been making huge waves for a decade by then
I disagree, kanye isnt in the convo anymore because of his music hasnt been big and influential like that in a long time, his golden era came and went, whereas tyler's moment is now, he is at his peak
@ Kanye was never in the in the convo and is hardly ever put in the “Top…” hip hop/mc lists. Tyler and Ye happen to rap, but they’re more all round artists rather than just hiphop. Tyler will never be “big 3”, because he’s in a different lane even though I believe his discography is better than Drake and cole
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One thing tangential to the ian thing is how tyler has been expressing how much he cares about hip-hop and the art behind it. It almost feels that the archetype of the ideal rapper these days is the guy who shows up to a studio inebriated and says whatever comes to mind and its fire. Everyone seems to want to have their lil wayne moment, so its nice to see the opposite, someone willing to be like "i care about this shit, this shit is hard and its important
The fact that Tyler's pen got sharper reflects this. He went out of his way to make it clear he wanted to make a "RAP" album with CMIYGL and not be pigeonholed into the artsy goofball lane. The kid who made Goblin got a Gangsta Grillz project about vacationing and it rocked
How dare the algo hide this from me for 9 seconds
Jcole was never really a big3 if we’re being honest lol rap skill wise i guess he is but he is no where near mainstream success as drake and kendrick like not even close AT all
@@ThevelvetundergroundnNicoare you good? Cole is on the same level as Kendrick in terms of success and and popularity
Crazy to me even now how far this dude has come. Seeing him live next year and only a few year’s ago he was banned from my country.
I can understand leaving Kanye out of discussion now after JIK and Vultures, but saying Kanye wasnt in the Big 3 in the 2010s is ridiculous and rewriting history
Put him in there over Cole as well
Surprise surprise the melon is letting politics get to his taste lmao
Was jesus is king really that bad?
He wasn't. 💀
Kanye dropped classics in the 2010s, but the Big 3 is for rappers who ORIGINATED and CAME UP in the 2010s. Kanye been dropping classics since the 2000s, probably before you were born. The 2010s-2020s is NOT Kanye's era/peak of popularity.
I will say he's the best producer out of the 2010s though, and he ain't ever drop a miss. Just straight CLASSICS. MBDTF, Watch The Throne, The Life of Pablo, Kids See Ghosts, Yeezus, and Ye. Man was not missing, it all went downhill the moment Vultures came...
Kanye is always above, he is in his own lane
You’re goddamn right he is.
DEI diddy glaze by the cueball its obviously kanye😂✌️kendrick maxed out on wokeness,drake wit auxness,and kanye wit abstractness all sides are covered with em geezers
@@jech1216vultures 1 & 2 is easy big 3 material right guys
So glad to see Company Man everywhere.
Seeing fantano and Justin hunt together makes me happy.
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Honestly, I'd much prefer Tyler replace Drake in the Big 3.
Trueee
i do to, tho its not about whos good its about who successful and influential
you cant say that when drake outstreams and outsells EVERYONE BY A DISTANCE
I feel big 3 is now a redundant concept. Unless Drake is able to prove he still has that market power that he consistently did previously; only Kendrick is still up there. J Cole though skilled will probably never be able to say that again, not because he bowed out but because he seemed to need some sort of reassurance with how Port Antonia has played out. Too much insecurity for someone claiming to be the best.
Drake only has mass appeal these days, most of his albums are lacklustre at best. Only reason he is still put in the big 3 is just because he is so popular
Couldn't agree with these takes more. I have been Tyler/OF fan since the conception, I still remember downloading bastard off of Tumblr back when Lucas vercetti and Eddie were members. Tyler's evolution has been crazy. I have had to defend this man so many times especially during the cherry bomb era. Just remember kids my age, when we were bumping this stuff it was considered underground/cringy/shock jock. Now Tyler has Grammys, frank has Grammys, taco is successful, Lionel is successful, earl is a respected poet and underground artist. Your crews dream can come true.
OF?
@@EnhancedYeditsodd future
@@ConlanHale Man I bet that “OF?” would make Tyler feel old af 😭
I feel Tyler is in his own lane like Kanye. He doesn’t have to be competing with Cole drake or Kenny cause because he’s developed so much of an audience and appeal that it naturally competes and can be bigger than the bigger 3
Tyler the creator does not have a fan base that could supersede the big 3 convo and Kanye in his prime was way bigger audience as well. Yall throw Kanye’s name in anytime an unconventional rapper gets popular.
Y'all are trolling at this point. Tyler being bigger than the big 3? Numbers don't lie. All 3 of them are insanely more popular than him
@patrick05Morgan Tyler has more monthly listeners than J Cole. He has a clothing brand, music festival and his albums have gone multi platinum, making the same amount of sales as Kanye’s. I bring up Kanye because like Kanye he paved his own lane and gone on to influence so many people. Tyler has been one of the biggest Alt. Hip-Hop acts of the past decade and if you don’t believe that then you’re not paying attention.
@@vileink4733 and I didn’t say he’s bigger than all of them, I said CAN be bigger.
disagree. hip hop can be narrowed down to who is important right now without worrying about what lanes they’re in. i feel like people want to disregard tyler because he comes off a certain way and i can’t get behind putting his cultural differences in front of his work as a way to keep him out of convo. his refusal to leave the mainstream and criticize it puts him a cut above others if anything
Even in 2011 I instantly recognized Tyler as a smart, talented, art student ass kid. He was rapping about being on honor roll. The rape and stuff was just shock factor, as any art student ass kid is want to try out. Some of y’all never knew art student ass kids in school and it shows. Kendrick even mentioned him alongside Drake and J. Cole in the “Control” verse. I’m just surprised it’s taken people till now to start recognizing Tyler’s importance and individuality. He’s been that guy since day 1. As for J. Cole, I swear the song about losing his virginity and “Get Off My Dick” are the only 2 songs I’ve really remember from him. Tyler’s got AMAZING presence on the mic, a unique voice, different tonalities, theatricality, etc. J. Cole just has normal ass rapper voice. But having an iconic voice like Tyler's is just a natural born gift. Talent and hard work can’t even give you that. Tyler is that dude, and even beats Kendrick in several areas of artistic comparison. End rant.
So does Tupac and Jay z. They have the normal rap voice but no one questions it. Tyler is more artistic than cole it happens, and so is kendrick, kanye, andre 3000. Cole's problem is that he is not very expressly artistic and bold ( with the arrogance)
😂feel you bro
now that I think about it, I started watching u during the 2016 election season, been a wild 8 years so far melon
Kendrick Lamar
JPEGMAFIA
Tyler, The Creator
Peggy overrated
Stop putting Jpeg in the GOAT conversation. He's good but he's niche and nowhere near the level of the people mentioned
@@jerrys1 underrated
@@hurlockbrosi dont care about numbers the quality of his music in my opinion eclipses any other rapper alive rn
@jerrys1 he's seriously underrated lol ask most people, especially mainstream, so little will mention jpeg or even recognize the name. Even his hyped STH album did not have much numbers compared to his contemporaries.
Great discography but definitely underrated.
There are 6 big players in hip-hop today that came up in the early 2010s; Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Future, Travis Scott, and Tyler the Creator. Which order they are in or which 3 are the “big 3” is all debatable but they all are in the conversation at the very least.
His career is kind of amazing to look back at. I know I'm always going to give him "extra" credit because of the sheer ambition in so much of what he does, and how much he clearly cares about the craft of making music, about knowing musical history, about searching far and wide for sounds and influences.
I'm always sympathetic to people who take big swings, even when they whiff. But Tyler's ability to take big swings and just smash it consistently is really amazing.
@@PrederickI completely agree and this album just adds to everything you said about his ambition and his ability to hit it out of the park every time.
I would say kendrick tyler and put travis there instead of drake. he has the numbers and influence and makes way better music than drake. even though I think the gap between travis and the other 2 is quite significant he's a better fit than both drake and j cole.
J cole does not belong in this list you may as well put playboi carti or denzel instead of him
J cole only had hype like that in 2014
What about Nicki
"fuck the big 3" - kendrick
The big 3 was just something meant to signify a moment in time.
the big 3 can be taken in any way and using the label for its cultural value seems to be the best use yet
The j cole hate in these comments is insane
fr bro dropped one bad feature and people shit on him
Kanye is dead and a new king of consistency has risen in his place. Bless this four album run
Dont count Bully out
@@JackJohnson555 I hope it’s great, truly
@@JackJohnson555 bully is gonna be ass stop being delusional. his brain is rotted
people dont realize the origin of big 3 and just start to add their fav rapper on it
litterally. people simultaneously say theres no big 3 and then switch rappers out of it like these are official placements. its ironic how the big 3 has been constantly invalidated since the beef, and yet we are just now attempting to replace them in 2024.
im okay with moving on from this era and finding a new big 3, but to just shift it around slightly after almost a decade feels like that gives it more value instead of less overall.
This is the same thing that happened with the Big 3 of manga. There is history behind the term in both cases but people don't take it into account and just go and rewrite history
Facts
Exactly 🤣
Tyler is having his Charli XCX/ Brat moment
I 100% believe he is big 3. Tyler can pull off any sound, any style, and his lyrics are always on point. He deserved all the love.
he isnt a rapper
CARTI IS BETTER MY LORD SEMATARY NETTSPEND ZATRU XAVSOBASED PHRESHBOYSWAG ALMIGHTY THEY SAVED MUSIC
phreshboyswag almighty is the greatest rapper alive behind carti
carti created music
tyler likes kids xd soooooooo carti better ken carson sucks he only uses 808s he has no passion and vison carti is music
This so stupid. Love tyler but come on. “Cole is on the downturn” fantano literally ranked off season as his best album. Tyler and cole both dropped in 2021 and cole practically doubled tylers first week sales. Cole has being doing this since 2010 when tyler was a wannabe eminem still.
He's the Hunter x Hunter of Hip Hop
More like the JJBA:
-Considered "weird" by some
-Every project is always good, great or perfect
-Immaculate detail and beautiful themes in the art and story
-Gay
@@Untistthis. He even looks like a character in Jojos. And dresses like one.
@@UntistI needa check out JoJo’s theres references i need to understand
@@thelingeringartistcarti looks like from jojo lil bro not tylerthemissinglink 😂✌️
Npc found hxh from tiktok😂✌️
Your worst take, JCole is still in the big 3
Dot and Cole are rapping better than anyone in the Industry right now... Cole has an insane pen and flow... He remains. Tyler can be in the next gen big 3... Not this one.
J Cole doesn’t deserve this disrespect. The internet is lame a lot of the time man😂😂
I’m a big J Cole fan. And I would say he doesn’t deserve ALL of this disrespect. But he does deserve some criticism for the way he’s handled things imo.
if him not engaging in beef changes how people rate his music, music is cooked then. Maybe it’s evolution?
16:12 I will say that while J Cole has better bars, Tyler is way more clear in his messaging. IMO
Don't cancel me for this take, but I think we can all agree that Tyler, The Creator is a musical artist.
The fact you got Justin Hunte on the channel is iconic
Oh they got that live TV delay
I think the problem with this conversation is that Tyler's music isn't limited to just rap, and he doesn't want to just be a rapper either at this point in this career. I think in terms of the quality of the music, he absolutely washes Cole completely, but some lyrical miracle fan might prefer Cole because he is a more traditional rapper.
I think this is why Anthony said "hip hop artist" and not "rapper"
More Fantano x TCM link ups please and thank you. One of the best things to come out of 2024 is all my favorite music commentators and analysts are linking up and giving me hours upon hours of content to geek out about.
Kendrick, Tyler, JID
JID is nowhere near dethroning drake youre actually delusional
You just named the best three not the biggest three
If JID has another hit albums I would def agree but rn he doesn’t have a large enough discography to go off of. Def one of the best rappers in the game rn and he’s just getting started.
JID has the skills but need to make his mark in the world
@@t0ny.g611 Agreed, he has the talent but not the history yet.
About to fold my huge ass pile of laundry, this is perfect background noise, thanks
Lol.
Tyler could easily produce No Role Modelz, J. Cole could never produce New Magic Wand
@@tenyxkkñhonestly the dumbest argument i think ive ever heard. its like saying john cena cant paint the mona lisa, its just dumb
@@tenyxkkñit’s 2024
Tyler can't make a Johnny P's Cadee. Nor a Secert Recipe. Nor the Climb back.
He doesn't have that pen. They are good at different things.
J cole can't make an Igor nor CMIYGL nor Chromakopia
@@tenyxkkñ see, I think he COULD make it, but I don’t think he ever WOULD
@@tenyxkkñWhy the hell couldn't he? Default type rap album.
Video Ends: 58:12
Cole needa drop his album😭 you losin yo spot big dog
I just wanna say, this video was quite enjoying to watch and listen to from start to finish and was just very interesting to learn a lot about hip hop as someone who is relatively new to the genre but is a huge Tyler fan. Good job, Anthony and Justin!
Bro put the company man in the title I wasn’t gonna watch this whole thing till i heard he was in this
you know chromakopia didn't absolutely kill it for me musically but when i compare it to everything else... it shits on absolutely everyone and it's not even close. and i still appreciate the body of work. i appreciate the art and i will listen to it because i see it and i feel it. there's a real story there and it's told really well. tyler the creator has completely mastered artistry.
I would put Travis or even J. Cole back in that spot rather than Tyler, honestly.
Fr 🙌
Drake is not in the big 3 anymore
explain why? drake outsreams AND outsells everyone
@@footyfreeks6959 It should be about the quality of the music, not about how much it sells. Drake can make catchy songs but the quality of his albums is nowhere near goat status.
Drake really isn't that bad
@@footyfreeks6959 he did but not anymore
Tyler’s 4 album run clears Cole’s ENTIRE discography
Discog isn’t everything lil bro
Oh hell no
They do. Cole is a bum
@@AdamAdam-md4mi bum is just hating. I know Tyler’s Discog clears but 4YEO is an album as good as igor imo. And CMIYGL and off season and 2014 FHD are equal. KOD is bastard level. Born sinner is wolf level. Overall Tyler Discog better bc of chromakopia and flower boy
@@t3trati0nwdym wolf level bro? genuinly asking
Kendrick is so clear. The only reason for any “big 3” conversations before was because J. Cole was genuinely up there in terms of rapping ability & Drake was the most famous & successful in terms of numbers/popularity. Tyler is nowhere near Kdot, however I would say he is a better artist than both of the other 2 in terms of the full package he delivers.
Tyler and OF got me back into hip hop after that boring era of crunk and auto crooners. He's always been in my top 3 since then. Justin is the man! It's all happening ❤
I feel this fr. God I remember what it felt like when Yonkers dropped. It felt like such a breath of fresh air, or rather maybe a big cloud of cigarette smoke after too much manufactured recycled hospital air or smth bc it was so gritty and jarring and DIFFERENT. It slapped the game awake and was such a fucking moment and I'm so glad I got to live through that firsthand. He's done nothing but grow exponentially since, with each successive album drop. He doesn't just adapt the way Drake does; he innovates. I'm a shameless glazer for Tyler til death tho
@@dangerxbadger2300I couldn't have said it better. That's when I first heard him and I would show all my friends how dynamic OF was because it felt kinda punk and we all drifted off towards bands instead of hip hop. A fresh perspective is all it took for me to love hip hop again.
Tyler can definitely compete lyrically with any rapper and he is dynamic on his features.
I mean, as much as I love Tyler he can’t compete with Cole lyrically, it’s not even close
I like listening to this rhetoric at 31:11 because as a long time listener of Tyler, He's always been pushing the "Just be yourself" motto.
And honestly speaking, he;s always possessed a lot of the qualities discussed. He's always been about fashion, he's always made designs, he's always been exceptional at beat making, etc. I think maybe the lyrics from that era turned people off from actually seeing what he was saying and doing but me and many other long time fans never were surprised to see Tyler throw a festival, build clothing stores, make a tv show. All of what he has done has always been on brand and he's been very open about wanting to do these things since his first few tapes.
It’s cool seeing artists like Tyler and charli constantly reinvent and reintroduce themselves even though they’ve been around for a decade now
CHROMAKOPIA GREEN LIKE PICKLE RICK 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️
I feel like if Tyler said "I'm the best ever", that would be less bold statement than "biggest out the city after Kenny that's a fact". Specific enough to be making an actual claim.
This feels so good to hear in the mainstream after having this thought for months
Bros been lookin to kick Cole out the big three
Really enjoyed this conversation. You both had a great vibe
Nah, the Big 3 is Death Grips, clipping., and Danny Brown
I think as an artist, it just makes me happy to listen to music that feels so authentic. I think the personality of his music changes with time because it's HIS personality. Whether that expresses itself as a character like Igor, or series of stories like Chromakopia, or just themed abstract songs like Flower Boy, it never feels like he's doing anything for the sake of mass appeal. It can almost make me frustrated as an artist to hear someone so consistently capable of putting themselves into their art with such creativity and consistency.
I’m 24, love all the new material and faces tyler has presented in more recent time but he’s been in the big 3 since Wolf. anyone that’s from southern california knows the type of influence he’s had since day 1, had everyone wanting to wear supreme 5 panels and vans.
Justin nailed his assessment of J Cole as the perfect starter lyricist. I never would have put that together, but that was exactly my experience with Cole.
Justin and Anthony, Anthony and FD Sig, FD Sig and Hasan....All my independent peeps like each other, and that's no coincidence...great and revolutionary minds have a certain tone, pitch and register I can appreciate.
2:56 Oh my God why is his voice so smooooth
9 second applause @2:24
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Real one fr
I would love to see these two talking more often. Great points, great commentators in their own right (anthony has had his slipups recently, namely the halsey video) and they're kind of titans of music commentary. That said, if every video was like this it would be a bit of an echo chamber lmao.
In regards to the lyricism conversation and him supposedly not measuring up to the big 3, I need it to be understood that not only is Tyler’s strengths musicality, progressive imagination and topics, and artistry, probably his most effective skill is being one of the greatest constructive criticism note takers of his generation.
Every album he gets better and he sharpens his skills because of his discipline and precision to the craft.
He listens well to the criticism and adapts quickly so all he has to hear is a strong enough consensus that he isn’t lyrical enough and he will improve to the point that by time the next album or next couple of albums he will be a better wordsmith when it’s all said and done lol
That’s what makes him so scary in this conversation because his percentage to get better and better is GUARANTEED where with the rest of the big 3 we can still say it’s up in the air and not as definitive lol.
Think about it.
Thank you for bringing Justin Hunte back on the channel.
Here’s a better discussion: who’s the big 3 of rapping and producing? Mines is Travis Scott, Tyler the. Creator and JPEGMafia.
"I wish Tyler was in the Big 3"
*monkey's paw curls*
"DRAKE STAYS IN???"
I think the 115k opening for might Delete later might have to do with the apology killing momentum for the album almost immediately but idk, to know for sure I’d have to look at any data there might be. It also could have been lack of interest for sure.
Might delete later was supposed to do 165k before 7 min drill was deleted
Fall off gonna do big numbers and it’s gon be a classic fosho
I Cole legit just dropped it out of no where with no promo
If there was no beef thing , MDL , would've sold a lot cos of his feature run . Maybe without 7 min drill it could sell a lot
Plus it was made 4 the fans not mainstream
Man this is the best collab i could’ve asked for. 8:44 also i absolutely agree, probably because he came into the game as a wild 17-19 year old but as someone thts been following him since the early days it always feels like something new. Also GET FANTANO ON THE NEXT CULTURE UNITED EPISODE!!!!!
Freddie Gibbs dropped a better album than Tyler did
Yup, I agree👍
Big 3 isn't top 3.
9 Second Applause for this collab discussion 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
In a culture that has a… significant relationship with individualism, Tyler shines as a genius. He is in multiple lanes of creative success. He grew past the phase that led to resistance and protest early on, before the notion of “cancelling” was a thing. He’s earned Big 3, as said in this video.
The thing is, drake isn't in the big 3 based on his talents, he's there based on his mass appeal and sustained popularity. Ideally the big 3 has something from everyone, and at the moment (to me) it's:
Drake-
Dominates charts and mainstream music spheres
Kendrick-
The goat of concious hip hop, lyricism and story telling. Truly a once in a lifetime artist.
Tyler-
The whole package. amazing producer, creative director, designer, personality, and a pretty decent rapper/story teller to boot. Not to mention LGBT representation in hip hop is pretty huge and not something we see from many people in the industry.
Come on... It's takes talent to dominate charts the length of time Drake has. He might be a corny, goofball, but his talent can't be denied.
I think bring cole back in and take drake out for tyler. To me, cole and drake can be spotty on their delivery with projects but cole is a better rapper than drake, so if either of them are going to be there it should be cole.
If we were to replace cole/drake entirely I'd say give it to Denzel Curry. It's been long enough receiving great projects from him to give him his flowers.
i know this is controversial, but yachty and tyler are both aging well in their careers and, imo, are contenders for the topmost in terms of interest. just trying to name anyone making waves in their own communities and in others is difficult
No he is not.
I think instead of people talking about The Big Three, it should be seen more like ‘who is the figurehead for each section of hip-hop?’ No set number, but the most talented, influential and charismatic person within that sub-genre. That would allow all Kendrick, Drake, Tyler, Cole to all have a place at the top, being the leaders of that sound or type of music. Plus you could throw in people like Future or Travis for those types of rap styles and newer sounds. I think that just makes more sense, so ppl stop comparing people whose music differ alot, but still having that competitive drive for each artist to remain alongside the rest
Tyler gets alot of hate from people who hate him for how popular or overrated he is. Thats how you know youve made it big
Cole is not on the "downturn" C'mon man, his last album was fantastic, it just was bad timing with the Kendrick v Drake
The modern day big 3 imo is Kendrick, Tyler, and JID
Finally… I’ve been coming back to these artists since 2017 over and over again as they are just replayable…
These are my big 3 for sure
JID really got to release more so he definitively dethrone Cole because I think he and his fans just keep saying he's big 3 more than he's been showing it
no
As a Tyler fan since 2012 is great to see fantanos opinion change. As a high school kid, all of Tyler's dark rebellious music resonated with me. Now that I'm pushing 30 it's cool to see how Tyler's music has matured with me and now I don't fw his older stuff. If I'm feeling a little rambunctious, I'll throw on some troncat but I get the criticisms he had when he reviewed his older work. I still think his old work has a lot of merit in the grand scheme of his discography as it shows growth and a genuine love of creating music. Will be cool to see how his music evolves as he gets older.
All I know is that Tyler is better than J. Cole in almost every way, and he makes better overall albums than everyone else in this conversation right now.
by "anyone else in this conversation" do you mean the people arguing for taking jcole's spot? Because kendrick is without a doubt bigger than tyler both in album quality and numbers, he deserves big 3 the most. I would say tyler could be a 3rd place after kendrick and drake (his albums are way better than drake's)
So Drakes too
Cole is a far better lyricist, his pen walks tylers.
“Almost every way” the only thing Tyler has above Cole is production and artistry. Cole has better lyrics, better flows, and better wordplay. You’re yapping. Tyler is a big 3 artist, not a big 3 rapper
@@spand9043drake instead of Cole is pure nuts
I've said this before and I'll say it again give Tyler a few years and people will realize he's one of the best artists of our generation, I'm not even a fan of Tyler but I believe in his potential
Obviously. Tylers discography is better than both Drake and J Cole
😂 this gave me a good laugh
Discog isn’t all of the convo
Actually deluded
Lmao u have no idea about 2011-16 drake and 4yeo, 2014 fhd, the off season J cole they clear easily
@@krishvyas9953 2018 too tbh, I think he is the first man to actually own a year
Been waiting for this discussion to finally happen, man.
the j cole hate is insane
J cole cope is even more insane
With the state of entertainment period we as consumers don’t receive enough consistency whether it’s movies, games and music. It’s great that when we hear a Tyler project is coming we can be excited for a good album.
been saying this for years, j cole better than drake tho
28:24 'The Walt Disney of Weirdo Rap' Hahaha!