Goodbye VTEC, Hello Turbo - 2017 Honda Civic Si Review

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  • 2017 Honda Civic Si First Drive - 205 HP Turbocharged 1.5L I4
    Adaptive damping and helical LSD starting at $23,900 + Dest.
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    Direct from the 2017 Honda Civic Press Kit:
    "The 2017 Civic Si Sedan and Coupe are the eighth iteration of Si, Civic's legendary, enthusiast-oriented Civic variant, whose roots in America date to the 1985 debut of the Civic CRX Si. The new Civic Si is based on the 10th-generation Civic platform, the most comprehensive and performance-minded remake in the model's 44-year history, and substantially advanced the fun, fast and agile nature of Si.
    The 2017 Si Sedan and Si Coupe are the first Si models to use turbocharged engines, utilizing an upgraded, high-boost version of the 1.5-liter direct-injected and turbocharged new powerplant that made its U.S. debut in the 2016 Civic Sedan. The new Honda AP2 engine offers drivers more power and torque down low, with a minimum of turbo lag along with a fatter power band, compared to previous, normally aspirated models. All Si models come equipped with a slick-shifting 6-speed manual transmission.
    The new Civic Si also benefits from the extensive remake of the 10th-generation Civic platform - which was benchmarked against luxury C-class competitors for ride, handling, steering precision and high-speed stability - and are further enhanced by Si-exclusive chassis tuning and engineering and Si-exclusive performance bits, including a helical limited-slip differential and new Adaptive Damper System and variable-ratio electric power steering. The upgraded performance capabilities of Si are matched by extensive exterior and interior upgrades that strongly distinguish Si from its more mainstream Sedan and Coupe counterparts."
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  • @dil6969
    @dil6969 7 лет назад +869

    R.I.P. high revving Hondas. You will be missed.

    • @NBASFAN
      @NBASFAN 7 лет назад +28

      Thank god for no more high reving Honda civics. They just sound like a old fart you've been holding in for 8 hours until you went home and took a dump.

    • @zdenekleitner6312
      @zdenekleitner6312 7 лет назад +7

      try to telling this to any c3 corvette owner ;)

    • @1MotoXRacer1
      @1MotoXRacer1 7 лет назад +16

      woop woop opinion alert woop woop

    • @taylormullis4942
      @taylormullis4942 7 лет назад +11

      Zdenek Leitner c3s are Garbage

    • @bucky13
      @bucky13 7 лет назад +27

      Yea, I'd end up blowing a new Honda up. Used to hitting 7k in every gear in the Prelude.

  • @thedragonreborn7444
    @thedragonreborn7444 7 лет назад +141

    This is the best review on this car so far. You actually properly explained what it drove like. Everyone else just focused on features and stats and finished with a piss poor generic " it's a great value" impression. You are the 1st reviewer that can't be replaced with a 5 second Google search. Congrats!

  • @SarahnTuned
    @SarahnTuned 7 лет назад +137

    The combination of Carlos and your personalities made for one of my favorite car reviews!

    • @GloGangBruceWayne
      @GloGangBruceWayne 7 лет назад

      Sarah -n- Tuned I'm subscribed to u you're very pretty 😛

    • @SarahnTuned
      @SarahnTuned 7 лет назад

      Bruce Wayne Thank you 😊

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +23

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

    • @ydin9
      @ydin9 7 лет назад +1

      This is a better pairing than any combination of modern Top Gear hosts

    • @4g63fourlife
      @4g63fourlife 7 лет назад +1

      Really? I found it awkward. When Carlos would try to crack a joke, it was like it went right over this guys head.

  • @jcm9370
    @jcm9370 7 лет назад +727

    no more VTEC KIKED IN YO memes

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +69

      Type R with 2.0L turbo will still have VTEC, but no more with the 1.5L turbo.

    • @OmerHumayun1393
      @OmerHumayun1393 7 лет назад +4

      I wonder why they removed it, considering the 1.5 turbo in the base civic DOES have vtec

    • @KytosTV
      @KytosTV 7 лет назад +2

      Will you review the TypeR?

    • @rj.charles
      @rj.charles 7 лет назад +17

      Omer Humayun Actually none of the 1.5 L engines have vtec. In some markets it's branded as "vtec turbo" but the engine only has VTC and not true VTEC

    • @OmerHumayun1393
      @OmerHumayun1393 7 лет назад +1

      did not know that. thanks for the info

  • @CarlosLago
    @CarlosLago 7 лет назад +179

    Enjoyed riding shotgun. Let's do it again sometime!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +14

      +Carlos Lago thanks Carlos! Absolutely!

    • @terryl9996
      @terryl9996 5 лет назад +1

      You still enjoy double stuffed burritos on shoots ???

    • @cedric182
      @cedric182 5 лет назад

      @@terryl9996 why ??? and not ?

  • @japtc
    @japtc 7 лет назад +88

    Honda released a turbo car back in the 80's. The Honda City Turbo!

    • @williamscott1229
      @williamscott1229 7 лет назад +27

      boosted_turtle86 not for the US market

    • @felixbeagle8521
      @felixbeagle8521 7 лет назад +5

      William Scott Yep, like they said, turbo jetski was it.

    • @Rico24337
      @Rico24337 7 лет назад

      boosted_turtle86 What about the CRV? ;)

    • @christopherellis2273
      @christopherellis2273 7 лет назад +10

      Honda had a turbo charged motorcycle back in the day as well. The statement about the personal water craft was completely incorrect.

    • @wakeblindside
      @wakeblindside 7 лет назад +6

      Honda CX500TC in 1982

  • @Scottstunts
    @Scottstunts 5 лет назад +4

    I have an 18 four door Si and it’s fantastic. The handling is amazing. I’ve owned a lot of Honda’s and it’s the best one. I have an 2000 Si with a B16 and a 90 civic hatch with a b16, both rev to the moon but man this new turbo engine is great.

  • @yourrapunzel
    @yourrapunzel 6 лет назад +1

    Bought the red coupe last November. I was very hesitant at first, because it was my first time not having a VW since 2004 and I’m afraid of change. Now it’s six months later and I am very happy with my decision.

  • @goldenrakrier
    @goldenrakrier 7 лет назад +71

    when that vte.. i mean boost kicks in

    • @c.i.a.4618
      @c.i.a.4618 7 лет назад +10

      with Subaru's D.I.T. (Dank Injected Turbo) which it gives more...
      D A N K ;-)

  • @SolamenteVees
    @SolamenteVees 4 года назад +1

    I know this is an old vid, but hearing Jason say damper/damping correctly warms the cockles of my heart.

  • @bolt5564
    @bolt5564 2 года назад +4

    To think four years later the Civic SI now costs $27,300 and does not have adaptive dampers.

  • @labradormcgraw2409
    @labradormcgraw2409 7 лет назад +160

    Never miss an EE video - great knowledge conveyed with style.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +50

      I appreciate it!

    • @xTehGunnazx
      @xTehGunnazx 7 лет назад +1

      Engineering Explained Would you recommend this car to someone who wants something sporty but also lives in an area where v8 muscle cars won't do well in the winter? I was considering a new WRX but it comes out to being $8000+ more expensive than this where I live and that's before options.

    • @bunbunson27
      @bunbunson27 7 лет назад +2

      to be honest, a fiesta st, focus st, civic si, or sentra ser fits. It just depends on features and brand name if thats your thing. Best way to find out is to go to the dealership and sit in the cars and test all the features and test drive them. All 4 cars are the same for a sporty beater, its only the little things that are the differentials.

    • @freddybueno4579
      @freddybueno4579 7 лет назад +1

      Bunthoeun Has the golf gti is better equiped than all of them except for the differential

    • @bunbunson27
      @bunbunson27 7 лет назад

      Ricky Good I forgot about the golf lol

  • @nathanstratton1480
    @nathanstratton1480 7 лет назад +3

    Great review, I always love watching your stuff Jason. I used your explanation videos to teach my dad about cars and got him hooked on you too, and he's not even a car person!

  • @therealboofighter
    @therealboofighter 7 лет назад +241

    You bought Doug demuro's old mic.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +131

      Still had a little slobber on it.

    • @therealboofighter
      @therealboofighter 7 лет назад +20

      Engineering Explained
      I bet he tried to charge extra for that. Did you get the bumper to bumper warranty?

    • @stinkyfungus
      @stinkyfungus 7 лет назад +2

      Engineering Explained
      does the slobber smell of old cheese and cucumbers?

    • @AEK_ANTI-NAZI
      @AEK_ANTI-NAZI 7 лет назад +4

      +boofighter I wish there was a column in a website where I could read more about his thoughts on the mic

    • @therealboofighter
      @therealboofighter 7 лет назад +6

      Klinex
      Microphonetrader.com/whitenoise

  • @40rollsonly
    @40rollsonly 7 лет назад +21

    People have been turboing civics since they were made, and FINALLY they offer it.

    • @notasian7620
      @notasian7620 7 лет назад +5

      Daniel Askey and now people are upset haha! the grass is always greener

    • @unlisted9494
      @unlisted9494 7 лет назад +4

      MOST people who turbo' their civic are brain dead morons. You can''t compare braindead idiots to factory engineering.

    • @40rollsonly
      @40rollsonly 7 лет назад +1

      Ehh

    • @diarmuidmarsden7752
      @diarmuidmarsden7752 7 лет назад +10

      NotAsian because turbo civics are actually exciting. This is just meh.

    • @weiwu1442
      @weiwu1442 7 лет назад +10

      because those Hondas had VTEC as well as turbo, this is just some economy engine appearance package

  • @philliprumans753
    @philliprumans753 5 лет назад +1

    It's much better as a daily driver now with the torque lower down. I don't miss the VTech because I don't drive at 7000 RPM all the time. I've had a 2006 and the 2013 SI and I think this is the best one so far for 2017 and up. Now I have a 2019 Coupe in white and I love it.

  • @JakeFromLateFarm
    @JakeFromLateFarm 7 лет назад +392

    I'd still rather have a NA VTEC engine than a puny 1.5 out of a vacuum cleaner.

    • @markosz22
      @markosz22 7 лет назад +17

      hah, that's a fast vacuum cleaner.

    • @fuckyoutube647
      @fuckyoutube647 7 лет назад +27

      Displacement means less now than it ever has. Not that you'll get the same power as a 6 liter, but 1.5's aren't just for hybrids.

    • @wristoww
      @wristoww 7 лет назад +15

      Ryan Cowtan uwot??? No it doesnt

    • @groundshakersociety6637
      @groundshakersociety6637 7 лет назад +7

      Ryan Cowtan where did you hear that? lol

    • @unlisted9494
      @unlisted9494 7 лет назад +29

      1.5 is irrelevant when boost is introduced. Boost = displacement. For every 14.5psi, you double the atmospheric displacement and double the effective engine size of the engine. I'm an N/A guy, but you can't deny that turbos are the way of the future.

  • @N3rdburgring
    @N3rdburgring 7 лет назад +2

    I'm sure tuning out that rev hang will help. I test drove one today, and I was absolutely sold on it. my ONLY complaint was the clutch being as vague and hard to feel as it is.

  • @BradenCarlsonAutos
    @BradenCarlsonAutos 7 лет назад +7

    Perfect drawing of a Volvo on the whiteboard.

  • @ZephyrCorsa
    @ZephyrCorsa 7 лет назад +7

    7:25 Hondata has a tune that prevents that, it revs normally

  • @vampcaff
    @vampcaff 7 лет назад +18

    1.5l in an si? why not have the 2.4l engine with the turbo for the si? I guess they have to keep a difference between the si and the type r.

    • @The_Kirk_Lazarus
      @The_Kirk_Lazarus 4 года назад +1

      Exactly.

    • @rumble8014
      @rumble8014 2 года назад

      2.0T should be in the SI and 2.4T should be the Type R. They purposely make it slower and uglier than the future plan.

  • @La-yt1wr
    @La-yt1wr 3 года назад +1

    1st generation Acura RDX was the first Honda mass produced product in the United States to offer a Turbo 4 Cylinder.

  • @nightdevilkids551
    @nightdevilkids551 7 лет назад +25

    Should have both. Vtec & turbo.

    • @markgaudreau8053
      @markgaudreau8053 4 года назад +2

      times change, we always added turbos, now they come stock. that's a bonus in my book,

  • @AC-lq4zw
    @AC-lq4zw 7 лет назад

    one of the largest reasons I believe they separated the epas motor is because the way almost all newer racks are designed. I make racks for nexteer (supplies steering components for many major brands) and almost all the newer racks are half ball screw half teeth. The tooth end is what is controlled by the pinion connecting to the steering wheel and the motor actuates a ballnut to assist in moving the rack. I'm glad they went with a ballnut as they have next to no slop (unlike a normal rack and pinion gear tooth setup)

  • @xTheNameisEthan
    @xTheNameisEthan 6 лет назад +3

    I think it looks amazing but not a big fan of the smaller motor with a turbo, a 2.4 with VTec is just about right for me

    • @charliesmith7942
      @charliesmith7942 2 года назад

      2.4 vtec is 6 mpg worse fuel economy. Why wouldn't u want the smaller engine?

  • @dokktekk
    @dokktekk 7 лет назад

    I see a lot of people complain about rev hang. I think it is advantageous in a turbo car with a 5 speed. On a normal turbo'd 5 speed, as soon as you upshift and the rev drops, boost pressure goes down. In a track situation, this is bad because now you have to wait for the turbo to spool backup and the power to come back on. That will hurt your lap time. With the rev hang, boost pressure is maintained, hence as soon as you slam up to the next gear, power is there since it never left.

  • @katsaras1
    @katsaras1 7 лет назад +26

    Why not Turbo AND V-TEC at the same time -.^?

    • @TheWolvesCurse
      @TheWolvesCurse 7 лет назад +31

      Andreas upsidedown that's reserved for the type-r

  • @vmitchell7739
    @vmitchell7739 7 лет назад

    I test drove this car it goes pretty quick. That turbo wakes this motor up. It was exhilarating to drive Honda got it finally right.

  • @MrWilliam.Stewart
    @MrWilliam.Stewart 7 лет назад +4

    Good review, thanks Jason. There will be many sad to see the end of Vtech magic. Any car maker can make a fwd turbo. But only one could make an 8,000 RPM exiting fwd car. RIP Honda.

  • @JB-xp4pg
    @JB-xp4pg 7 лет назад

    Carlos has adopted the posture of a man that is completely comfortable with your driving!

  • @AlfredoPachecoJr
    @AlfredoPachecoJr 7 лет назад +45

    I need my E-brake. Not some switch. That was a shocker for me. That said, I'm still really looking at getting that 2 or 4dr Si 6pd.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +45

      Ahh, another thing I forgot to mention. Agreed completely - manual transmission vehicles should come with hand-brakes, not switches.

    • @Membrane556
      @Membrane556 7 лет назад +12

      I think electronic parking brakes really should be banned for safety reasons as the E-brake traditionally was an emergency brake that you can use if your main brakes fail.
      I once saved a vehicle from a crashing using the E-brake when a brake line broke.

    • @AlfredoPachecoJr
      @AlfredoPachecoJr 7 лет назад +3

      Membrane556 you mean E doesn't stand for electric? lol

    • @Tigerex966
      @Tigerex966 7 лет назад

      Is it possible to retrofit one?

    • @roycezaro1998
      @roycezaro1998 6 лет назад +4

      Honest to god, what Membrane556 said. I love the fact that my car has a method of emergency braking that is fully mechanical, and does not rely on electronics to govern it. In a world where everything is becoming automatic/glass/electronic, some things just need to stay the same. Even the most advanced passenger airliners have mechanical methods of deploying the landing gear, so there's just no excuse for a family sedan not to have the same thing.

  • @bitkarek
    @bitkarek 7 лет назад

    old Civics forever! care for them ppl. They will become rare with their character.

  • @marinoint
    @marinoint 7 лет назад +8

    I'm sure no salesman at the Honda dealers knows any of these...

  • @gaberon1
    @gaberon1 7 лет назад

    you have one of the best automotive journalists around in Carlos Lago and didn't get any input from him. C'MON man!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +1

      +Gabe Lohr well it's not his channel haha. If you want Carlos's thoughts on it, check out Edmunds.com for his review.

  • @CamRbz
    @CamRbz 7 лет назад +7

    Honda/Acura made the 2007 Acura RDX turbo. That was a good Suv.

    • @motorhead_jt21
      @motorhead_jt21 7 лет назад +4

      LuckyRBZ Indeed it was, until I totaled it lol. Thing was torquey as hell

    • @dawgmanfat
      @dawgmanfat 7 лет назад +1

      my mom has one and I always thought what if they took that powertrain and put it in the 8th gen si......that would have been amazing

    • @CamRbz
      @CamRbz 7 лет назад

      Skylar Garrett . Yes your right. It did not feel like driving an SUV. It handled like a sports car.

    • @MrFroggyMan
      @MrFroggyMan 7 лет назад

      LuckyRBZ my Tahoe handles like a sports car

    • @MrFroggyMan
      @MrFroggyMan 7 лет назад

      jayjaylen75 lol douche

  • @DumasMoran
    @DumasMoran 7 лет назад +1

    I cannot understate how amazing it is that Carlos Lago, the longtime host of MotorTrend's "Ignition" is in the passenger seat of the car you're driving. He is trying his best not to make faces as you provide honest, uber-in-depth reporting on the SI. He knows how to take it around a track, but discussion of the components seems to be lacking at MT/Edmunds. At least in their videos. Lago should be taking notes.

  • @TheDrAkira
    @TheDrAkira 7 лет назад +8

    Good car, i don't think that the new civic is "too riced up" like some people are saying, it"s just a new style maybe not for everyone but it's very attractive. Using a turbo in such a small engine in a small and light car and making that HP numbers sounds great no matter what hahahaha,
    Good review, I really enjoy how you evaluate cars and explain the technology involved in it.

  • @waggerstick
    @waggerstick 5 лет назад

    I have a 2017 Touring Coupe. I am a Canadian and have recently had some tweaks done to my car through a recall.
    The fixes are in regard to oil dilution issues surrounding the 1.5L engine.
    I haven't had any of the symptoms they spoke of (rise in oil level, gas smell).
    I live in the countryside and tend to drive longer distances so this will apparently either alleviate or reduce oil dilution issues.
    Where I live it gets very, very cold come winter, like -20F. This does not help matters.
    Honda Canada has done the following:
    - Changed the oil.
    - Zapped the climate control module.
    - Zapped the CVT.
    - Adjusted the fuel injection parameters.
    - Added 3 years to certain engine components i.e. (cam bearings because of possible icing of bearings due to water accumulation in oil.)
    I have asked Honda what the exact changes are and how they affect the performance of the engine.
    So far I have not been given a detailed answer.
    Can you help with this?
    Thanks
    Ian
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

  • @alsager777
    @alsager777 7 лет назад +27

    I was hearing road noise during the whole video, is it really that noisy?🤔

    • @XxChuyoxX
      @XxChuyoxX 7 лет назад +5

      abdulaziz alsager
      It's only 2900 lbs so it would be more surprising if it wasn't somewhat noisy.

    • @alsager777
      @alsager777 7 лет назад +4

      XxChuyoxX i have driven 1.8l Civic and it wasn't noisy and that what made me question the sound I was hearing.

    • @unlisted9494
      @unlisted9494 7 лет назад

      Any japanese car is noisy these days. They don't care about refinement and driving pleasure these days, only sticker price.

    • @bazzie85
      @bazzie85 7 лет назад +12

      abdulaziz alsager on camera the noise is always worse than real life. because the microphone picks up the low frequency road noise better than a human ear.

    • @anonymzs
      @anonymzs 7 лет назад +1

      its a 24k honda lol. i have a 8th gen si there is definitely road and wind noise

  • @Viscerok
    @Viscerok 7 лет назад

    I have owned a 93 B18 Integra GSR, and 00 B16 Civic Si. Naturally aspirated DOHC goodness. Then I had a 03 EP3 Civic Si and it was a fake VTEC Turd. No balls. Done with Honda and their boy racer styling. I switched to a 10 MK6 GTI and now a 17 MK7 GTI. Turbo baby! I'm getting a conservative 220hp and 256tq from the GTI for 26K out the door...with LSD, and 32 mpg's combined.

  • @IAW_OPSEC
    @IAW_OPSEC 6 лет назад +3

    I do love Honda’s tho! One of the best handling and gas saving cars out there! Keep it up Honda!!!

  • @tjeremiah9747
    @tjeremiah9747 7 лет назад

    I dont know why people hate the civic so much. You get a really nice package for that price point.

  • @RAHMX145
    @RAHMX145 7 лет назад +3

    Honda's personal water craft was called the Aquatrax.

    • @fraxonthefurry21
      @fraxonthefurry21 7 лет назад

      RAHMX145 IT'S CALLED A JET SKI!!!!!! blargaggrgagrga!

  • @maveric0738
    @maveric0738 7 лет назад +1

    It's about time Honda joined the Turbo world.

  • @andrewwilken9725
    @andrewwilken9725 7 лет назад +52

    The poor throttle response, rev hang, lack of feel in the steering, and short meaty power band is everything a Civic Si is not. This may be a good car, but it seems like a terrible civic Si.

    • @andrewwilken9725
      @andrewwilken9725 7 лет назад +4

      jayjaylen75 I think Matt farah was saying a lighter flywheel would probably remedy the rev hang but from the sounds of it it seems to be a programmed thing. If that's the case maybe hondata will have a fix. Either way I just don't see these cars being as fun as say the 99-00 Si or 06-16 Si. There probably is a lot of power left in these engines with a larger turbo, but that is fundamentally opposed to what Si's have always been.

    • @bb5242
      @bb5242 7 лет назад +1

      Honda won't fix that, but a tune might. Changing a flywheel on a new car? You just voided the warranty.

    • @RedSkeletone
      @RedSkeletone 7 лет назад

      Ben Brunk true, but hope then lies waiting in the wings, for when your warranty is up.

    • @JTube571
      @JTube571 7 лет назад +1

      Ben Brunk Not so on the warranty. Only if the aftermarket flywheel causes something else to fail, that failed part isn't covered. The rest of the warranty on everything else is not effected.

    • @apt62
      @apt62 7 лет назад +3

      Its 24k for that money its a great car.

  • @billaerospace4130
    @billaerospace4130 7 лет назад

    I wish Carlos was doing the driving and talking. He gives a great, technical and interesting review. I hope Edmunds uses him more in video.

  • @FronkG
    @FronkG 7 лет назад +4

    time to pick up a 8th and 9th gen civic si!

  • @patriciasampier6705
    @patriciasampier6705 4 года назад +2

    I just got my 2020 Honda Civic si coupe,I’m 5’2 and am having problems reaching the seatbelt,from the back,any ideas

  • @x-man4702
    @x-man4702 7 лет назад +137

    Nice job on this Honda, but I rather pay $1,500 more for the Golf GTi.

    • @FuzzyCholo
      @FuzzyCholo 7 лет назад +2

      My man!

    • @x-man4702
      @x-man4702 7 лет назад +9

      Bad comment at this time, you should have stayed quiet on this one. Let me me just McLaren Honda and most recent the Honda engine that powered Fernando Alonso at the Indianapolis 500... Total joke. But my Honda mower does pretty well though.

    • @TheShale187
      @TheShale187 7 лет назад +34

      wow...such a compelling argument....because racecar engines are exactly what is in the factory Civic.

    • @f181234
      @f181234 7 лет назад +18

      Xavier Lemos that's a basic GTI with halogen lights, single zone climate, no diff and etc

    • @VirusTornado
      @VirusTornado 7 лет назад +36

      Why you hating on this car? It comes standard with a 6-speed and LSD! An LSD is an optional extra even on a Golf GTI, and isn't even offered on a Fiesta ST. Weighs as much as Fiesta, yet has more standard features than a fully-equipped GTI. And it's reliable. What's not to like?

  • @frankm8667
    @frankm8667 7 лет назад

    Two of my favorite car reviewers! One of the best car reviews I've seen

  • @mengdynasty6034
    @mengdynasty6034 7 лет назад +8

    would upgrade to the new si but that 1.5 is a deal breaker.

  • @proworxautodetailing8246
    @proworxautodetailing8246 7 лет назад +1

    Awesome review and explanation of the pros and cons with this new Honda Civic. Another car goes turbo!

  • @H3ntairican
    @H3ntairican 7 лет назад +21

    has anyone else noticed that a lot of these new cars coming out have good horse power but they don't tell you how heavy they are, it's the reason why these cars need more power , because they are fat 🙂👈

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +6

      I mentioned in the video it's 2900 lbs.

    • @H3ntairican
      @H3ntairican 7 лет назад +4

      Engineering Explained yeah I know I'm just saying that these commercials lately are mentioning horse power compared to other brands but the cars of today are heavier than yesterday's but not all of them 👌 love your videos BTW I would never criticise your videos 👍

    • @papa_pt
      @papa_pt 7 лет назад +3

      H3ntairican this new Si and the GTI are both lighter than their predecessors

    • @H3ntairican
      @H3ntairican 7 лет назад +2

      Austin Apt that's awesome I hope to see more manufacturers heading this route

    • @alansmilealot
      @alansmilealot 7 лет назад

      Austin Apt by how much?

  • @peterwibe2654
    @peterwibe2654 7 лет назад

    the best 2 people to geek out in a car. i love it

  • @GordonGekko98
    @GordonGekko98 7 лет назад +12

    This car will have no modding capability. 20psi and 205hp?!?! A k24 is WAY better. They should of just strapped a turbo to that

    • @GoDsSoN770
      @GoDsSoN770 7 лет назад

      No modding capability? Tell that to Vit Viper who's gotten up to 100 lbs/ ft. tq, and 60-70 HP over stock on just a tune, on the stock turbo. The car can be pushed beyond that, but the stock clutch can't handle the power. They're also working on turbo upgrades. Supposedly the car is making over 300 HP with an upgraded turbo in China.

    • @AsuraTraitor
      @AsuraTraitor 7 лет назад +1

      Where are you getting this information? I'm really curious. I myself thought that the Si was at its peak, maybe 30-40 sure. but 60-70?!

    • @JTube571
      @JTube571 7 лет назад

      Most turbo cars have tons of modding potential. Free up some air flow, turn up the boost and tune it out and you're in business.

  • @jeffreyoldham55
    @jeffreyoldham55 7 лет назад +2

    Having owned both an NSX & a Prelude SH, I anticipated the new Civic Si with great expectations. However, I am less than impressed with the car that Honda has produced. One of the deal killers for the 1st gen. Hyundai Genesis Coupe was rev hang. I could not tolerate it in that car, and wouldn't accept it with this car either. This car will appeal to a whole new audience than the previous VTEC equipped Si's - one that values gas mileage, interior amenities & media features over performance. And let's be honest: from any angle, this thing is just plain fugly. Excellent review & whiteboard presentation, EE.

  • @vossler360
    @vossler360 7 лет назад +15

    As if the ride-along cameo with Carlos Lago wasn't enough of a bonus, you also integrated a white-board session into this review as well? Very impressive, indeed!
    But when you mentioned that your S2k was your daily, I was under the impression that your Crosstrek was your everyday car and your S2k was a weekend car. Or is your garage strategy more of a summer car/winter car?

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +7

      Oh I don't know haha. I have two cars and drive them depending on the weather and what I feel like.

  • @Pigeonbutter8790
    @Pigeonbutter8790 7 лет назад

    The LSD is a major selling point. More manufacturers of hot hatches should include it as standard

  • @Keef_Sweat
    @Keef_Sweat 7 лет назад +8

    Honda is cool but I wish we could get a new RWD or AWD sports car

  • @davidhunt9685
    @davidhunt9685 6 лет назад

    My Honda Accord Coupe is about the same. My only complaint is that I could fall a sleep driving my car. To me, I love it but hate it at the same time. It’s just dangerously comfortable.

  • @SlickRick214
    @SlickRick214 7 лет назад +4

    isn't Carlos lago still working with motor trend?

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +4

      +ricardo rocha haha as he says... he's working for Edmunds.

    • @Chillaxed69420
      @Chillaxed69420 7 лет назад +1

      He left Motor Trend again?

    • @UltimateRides
      @UltimateRides 7 лет назад

      interested in this also

    • @SlickRick214
      @SlickRick214 7 лет назад

      I think he was a great host on motor trend, I never saw the end of the build of the 240LS.

  • @FEARGOD88
    @FEARGOD88 7 лет назад

    Both these guys need to team up and make a car review channel. I like them both.

  • @jameskahng7547
    @jameskahng7547 7 лет назад +3

    I thought Carlos went back to MotorTrend???

  • @gurjindersingh199
    @gurjindersingh199 6 лет назад

    The Acura RDX was turbo earlier then they switched to the 3.5L v6 then they went turbo again. Turbo is cool and all but I prefer my all motor setup on the track simple and reliable when you are constantly beating on it on the track. Besides not a lot of people can actually open full potential of even 150whp on the track. Driver skill counts more than power. Unless drag racing then power is everything if your can hook

  • @johncyrusdelaroca6819
    @johncyrusdelaroca6819 7 лет назад +7

    what SI means? Thanks in advance.

    • @RayyTX
      @RayyTX 7 лет назад +6

      Sports Injection

    • @johncyrusdelaroca6819
      @johncyrusdelaroca6819 7 лет назад +1

      +ey b0ss thank you

    • @johncyrusdelaroca6819
      @johncyrusdelaroca6819 7 лет назад

      +John Tomasello thank you

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +15

      Yes. #BadJokes It stands for "Sport Injected"

    • @zroger73
      @zroger73 7 лет назад +6

      According to Honda, Si stands for "Sport Injection" instead of "Sports Injection" or "Sport Injected". hondanews.com/honda-automobiles/channels/Model-Press-Kit/releases/honda-civic-si-history

  • @carshow2102
    @carshow2102 7 лет назад +1

    The red coupe is one of the best looking versions.

  • @Doinalo
    @Doinalo 7 лет назад +4

    Ah, good old Larlos Cago. I haven't seen him in a while.

  • @janeirouno
    @janeirouno 7 лет назад

    In NoVa, you can walk out of the dealer w/ a base Gti for $21,500 cash (yes after tax) or walk out w/ a Sport for $24,800 cash (after taxes, the sport has the LSD and upgraded lights).
    Civic is a marvelous car.
    You are misinformed about the current Gti pricing.

  • @VcArena
    @VcArena 7 лет назад +8

    20psi and only 205hp😑

    • @rmblwgn
      @rmblwgn 5 лет назад +1

      They're making 280 with tune and downpipe it's amazing actually now that they're being modified. Engine is actually breaths very well

    • @johnbarron2698
      @johnbarron2698 5 лет назад

      rmblwgn
      Lawl Id like to see proof of that. You’re gonna need more than that to get 280

    • @rmblwgn
      @rmblwgn 5 лет назад

      @@johnbarron2698 So yes it does take a little more work as stage 2 yields around 280 ft/lbs torque and 240hp BUT with simple turbo swap/intake/stock catback &fueling/e85 PRL motorsports is making 365 HP!!!!

    • @Fly2kill1
      @Fly2kill1 5 лет назад

      It’s good for a 1.5l. I sounded what AMG could do with it. They get 375 out of a 2 liter lol.

    • @veegizzlemilliken6441
      @veegizzlemilliken6441 5 лет назад

      1.5 engine THO!!!!🐢

  • @scalefreakgaming
    @scalefreakgaming 7 лет назад

    I compared this to my 09 Si with 189k KM on it. I was amazed that the 17 only pulled a few feet on me in multiple tests.

  • @mediumunwell
    @mediumunwell 7 лет назад +11

    yo

  • @DeShakeel
    @DeShakeel 7 лет назад +2

    This video is cool without Carlos Lago, but even cooler with both of you together in 1 car

  • @RJA10001
    @RJA10001 7 лет назад +11

    my 2013 honda civic si with VTEC > the 2017 honda civic si without VTEC

    • @deljuegogaming8545
      @deljuegogaming8545 7 лет назад +1

      R.J. Arsenault Big Block 2.4

    • @JD-yx7be
      @JD-yx7be 7 лет назад

      R.J. Arsenault the type r has vtec

    • @RJA10001
      @RJA10001 7 лет назад +1

      oh buddy I know! I'm just disappointed in the 2017 si :P Type R is my next civic

    • @worldofz00
      @worldofz00 7 лет назад

      My 2014 Civic EX with VTEC > your Civic. Mine has more technology. Fact.

    • @iKrave1
      @iKrave1 7 лет назад

      Zuby A yeah but yours is slower..

  • @miloradjovanovic1080
    @miloradjovanovic1080 7 лет назад

    I have a 2016 Accord Sport 6 speed. Yesterday, I went to Honda dealership here in town that has one 2017 Si in stock (4 door). After driving it for 10-12 minutes and few quick accelerations and shifts, I decided not to even consider trading the Accord. First of all, Honda went into unknown territory for them by going with the turbo. That little engine to produce 205 hp means that turbo is going to be getting smoking hot all the time which in turn means oil build up and failure before 50K miles. Second, seats are absurdly rough, the type that should be on the Type R, not the Si that is half family car, half sporty car. This isn't a car you can drive more than few hours before it starts to hurt. Third, it is SMALL inside! Wow, it so so crammed that I felt claustrophobic in it. When I got back in my Accord, I felt like I just sat into a first class seat on the 747. No way the Si is worth $25,000.00.

  • @syclone
    @syclone 7 лет назад +6

    Boo, VTEC 4life

  • @Dubz0408
    @Dubz0408 7 лет назад

    I see alot of debate in the comments about the 20psi of boost and only 205hp. Keep in mind boost pressure is RESISTANCE to airflow. More FLOW = less boost(unless compensated for) and more power. I mean Nissan does have a 1.5 that makes 400hp and weighs 88 pounds. Surely that doesnt run on 60lbs of boost...

  • @HowieCarson
    @HowieCarson 7 лет назад +3

    But the GTI is worth the extra cost, is better built, more comfortable and is by far more tunable

    • @osamabindrinkin40s
      @osamabindrinkin40s 5 лет назад

      But you get better gas mileage in the SI. The Golf you only get 25 city / 33 highway. SI 28 City/ 38 highway plus Honda's are more reliable and cheaper to fix!

  • @misterhat6395
    @misterhat6395 2 года назад

    And that jet ski was freaking awesome

  • @WithTheBears
    @WithTheBears 7 лет назад +63

    Why the hell would they only put a 1.5L in it? Thats like a lawn mower

    • @LLSniper
      @LLSniper 7 лет назад +15

      WithTheBears just because a powerful engine is small, doesn't mean it's bad.

    • @TwoCraZyEyes0
      @TwoCraZyEyes0 7 лет назад +3

      Luke Lenci yea but you have like no upgradabilty now, before you could slap on a turbo to your k20 civic si and have 300+ hp, not anymore

    • @LLSniper
      @LLSniper 7 лет назад +1

      The Hondata tuning has gotten pretty good results on the normal engine, I believe they'll be able to get around 300 with the bigger turbo.

    • @kenkalajdzic
      @kenkalajdzic 7 лет назад +4

      Mr_NarwhaL There are already custom kits out there (mainly bigger turbo) that push over 300hp.

    • @RixceU
      @RixceU 7 лет назад +10

      Mr_NarwhaL that's because now you're supposed to get the Type R

  • @pacoflyer
    @pacoflyer 7 лет назад

    Depends on the volume of air really, Like the focus ST it has 22 psi but tapers to 14 psi at redline due to exhaust housing size, but if you run a larger turbo one correctly sized to maintain boost levels at the same 22 psi that can carry it to redline, Its much more power but same amount of pressure. It is flowing more volume.

  • @donnieweed2547
    @donnieweed2547 7 лет назад +269

    205 hp at 20psi?!? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +101

      Considering the 1.4L Fiat 124 engine makes 160 HP on 22 psi, this engine's output isn't all that crazy like you imply. Engine size plays a big role, obviously.

    • @Thesaviorsway
      @Thesaviorsway 7 лет назад +15

      Engineering Explained but the jdm 1983-85 12a turbo Mazda savanna rx7 made 165hp with a 1.1liter engine and 5 to 6 psi with no intercooler. why can't they improve the turbocharger efficiency after 30+ years?

    • @SilverCanary1
      @SilverCanary1 7 лет назад +3

      It won't need an oil-change every 2000 miles

    • @TheRyansLion
      @TheRyansLion 7 лет назад +52

      TheAlex0903 the rx7 is a rotary engine. Of course it will make more power per liter than a cylinder engine. It's a completely different design.

    • @coolguy91975
      @coolguy91975 7 лет назад +2

      That's pretty good at a 2.5 atmosphere pressure. With the RPM, this engine would probalby make 90HP without boost, so the 205HP checks out well.

  • @ArcticNova7
    @ArcticNova7 7 лет назад +2

    Carloooos we miss you....

  • @ivcars003
    @ivcars003 7 лет назад +7

    Did ricers approve this decision?

    • @RelaxAndSmokeMeth
      @RelaxAndSmokeMeth 6 лет назад

      ivcars003 no, they didn't. Still under review. Will get back to you asap with their decision. Please stand by.

    • @gurjindersingh199
      @gurjindersingh199 6 лет назад +1

      No high rpm = no from me I love my 9,000rpm b16 in my 900kg Honda Civic Mario kart editon new civic is Accord and Accord is now Honda oddesey with lower roof line, Honda oddesey is uhaul truck

  • @uscfroadie
    @uscfroadie 7 лет назад

    Carlos must have forgotten about Honda's CX series of motorcycles. Both a CX500 Turbo and CX650 Turbo were sold in the very early 80's. Had a CX650 at my local Honda dealer. These pre-date the jet skis by a sizable margin.

  • @Ms.Fowlbwahhh
    @Ms.Fowlbwahhh 7 лет назад +3

    Won't ever consider it. Prefer me and my wife's boosted 9th gen and 8th gen si's

  • @chrissorreda4982
    @chrissorreda4982 7 лет назад

    With regard to the comment about the Si being comfortable. I think it's a good thing. Like Matt said in his MX-5 one take, people who want to modify their cars, will modify their cars whatever the suspension tune is; and it's easier to go stiffer than softer. So might as well give it a capable but comfortable daily driven set-up.

  • @2jsanc681
    @2jsanc681 7 лет назад +3

    Terrible move by Honda.

  • @tomaszj.9608
    @tomaszj.9608 7 лет назад

    Man, Carlos Lago tagging along??? Sweet! You better stop saying "And so" and "so" as filler words 😂 You are in the big house now! Keep up the good work. I enjoy watching your videos.

  • @stayboosted1966
    @stayboosted1966 7 лет назад +9

    First 2017 civic si recall: Turbocharger, second recall: wastegate third recall: turbo system... back to lawn mower engines

    • @lito777
      @lito777 7 лет назад +19

      Stay Boosted its a Civic not a bmw. itll be fine.

    • @South4153
      @South4153 7 лет назад

      Saul Ferrer or a crappy vw

  • @delanobeek
    @delanobeek 7 лет назад

    Engineering explained you are a God send to the car community. I hope you know that it's a blessing that you have found your niche using your mechanical engineering background. None of these reviewers go in depth as you. They review features or specs you do mechanical details. Great job and I am sure you will reach 2 mil subscribers in no time. However, price point aside which do you think is the better overall performing car. The Gti or Si? I am planning to pick up a refreshed mk7.5 model this fall. Test drove the 2017 gti se 6 speed manual and was blown away. My cousin has a 2013 civic Si. Pretty decent performing car but never really cared for honda except for the jdm type R's as I am from the Caribbean islands.

  • @stayboosted1966
    @stayboosted1966 7 лет назад +3

    lmfao finally honda went from lawn mower engines to car engines, bout time. now i will consider buying one depending on the ricer stereotypes

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +7

      +Stay Boosted don't worry about what others think and buy what you enjoy! :)

    • @pswmetalmonkey
      @pswmetalmonkey 7 лет назад

      and just to think more reliability and options to tune than a shitbox VW engine! yaah!

    • @stayboosted1966
      @stayboosted1966 7 лет назад

      I feel you i do buy what i enjoy nobody tells me what to do, but i dont enjoy lots of hate.

    • @roccoracer
      @roccoracer 7 лет назад

      Rubber Rocket Gti S with software is 310 hp and 360 torque at 3025 lbs and looks like a car. There are hundreds of examples making much more and reliability has been excellent. Have you ever owned a VW or just play expert online?

    • @spoton3278
      @spoton3278 7 лет назад +2

      Stay Boosted they actually reduced the displacement so your comment really makes no sense.

  • @themattenthehat
    @themattenthehat 7 лет назад

    The rev hang as an emissions thing makes sense, think of a car with an aggressive tune, you close the throttle and you get unburnt fuel coming out the exhaust and burning there, which bypasses all the emissions controls. I'm sure this isn't tuned rich enough to actually backfire like that, but I bet they're still trying to close the throttle slowly so that they avoid that small amount of unburnt fuel.

  • @Ray33416
    @Ray33416 7 лет назад +18

    I hate civics and the fact that they wont add more hp to each new generation only makes me think wtf are they doing?

    • @bones6978
      @bones6978 7 лет назад +17

      the average consumer doesn't really care about power they just want a "sporty" car with good fuel economy

    • @SimbaTheGreat
      @SimbaTheGreat 7 лет назад +1

      123DwyaneWade456 civic si is supposed to be slightly faster but a much better handling car over the base models. that was the original intention of the Si moniker

    • @Lehpurdzzz
      @Lehpurdzzz 7 лет назад +1

      +Simba TheGreat it's the same chassis with a marginally stiffer suspension. You throw better tires on a base model and it will out-handle a stock SI. The base models also weigh less.

    • @toddmediumwellingtoniii478
      @toddmediumwellingtoniii478 7 лет назад +1

      You know hp is not the most important factor right??

    • @worldofz00
      @worldofz00 7 лет назад +3

      Why are you so obsessed with power? Weight is important too. Dwayne Wade the imposter!

  • @volvo09
    @volvo09 7 лет назад

    I like the price, I bought a new si in 07 and it was around 21k. this offers more, has some cool tech, and Honda kept the price very reasonable. If I hadn't already supercharged my 09 Si and still enjoy it and get reliable service from it then id consider this... i'm just not interested in getting a new car for a while. I like the turbo, but the si's high revving heritage will always be desired for me...

  • @robink.9459
    @robink.9459 7 лет назад +106

    sorry but civics look so riced out, would never consider buying one regardless how good the car may be...

    • @herculesrockefeller2984
      @herculesrockefeller2984 7 лет назад +60

      Thats like saying I would never buy a Challenger because they look like a brick and I dont care about power, I just hate bricks..

    • @jpchevron
      @jpchevron 7 лет назад +4

      what does riced out mean?

    • @13anomalous16
      @13anomalous16 7 лет назад +34

      jpchevron idk what this guy is talking about they don't look riced out at all. But rice is like putting a fake hood scoop on a car just for the looks, or spray painting wheels, or putting a terrible looking tasteless body kit on a car. This car is no where near rice though.

    • @kickyadick
      @kickyadick 7 лет назад +6

      Kalle Grabowski agree. Albeit never wanted a civic😑. The newest civic looks like it should at least have 350hp from factory judging by its look. It even has the lambo front air ducts...it almost looks identical. But oh wait...it's solid plastic, not through...

    • @ogkrillin9834
      @ogkrillin9834 7 лет назад +6

      Kalle Grabowski get back in the kitchen

  • @StephenButlerOne
    @StephenButlerOne 7 лет назад

    The GTC I have has the same type of electronic assisted steering on the rack, it works very well. It's either that or the hyperstut set up. But together it makes it very direct and fun.

  • @joewontwice
    @joewontwice 7 лет назад +54

    these Hondas are butt ugly

  • @marswrld2489
    @marswrld2489 6 месяцев назад +1

    Is the engine reliable? What problems is it known for what is the life of the engine and can it handle boost?

  • @eddiebob2619
    @eddiebob2619 7 лет назад +46

    20 peak psi only 205 hp and 190lbs torque!!!? lololol Honda should of sticked with s2000 as there sports car. These si's are just complete garbage lol.

    • @coolguy91975
      @coolguy91975 7 лет назад +5

      for the displacement and pressure, the numbers check out.

    • @eddiebob2619
      @eddiebob2619 7 лет назад +5

      Stephen Baker why would you buy a 25k sports car when a v6 honda accord or camry hell probably the odyssey is faster lol. Thats deppressing

    • @nikoyochum6974
      @nikoyochum6974 7 лет назад +30

      speed doesn't make a car fun to drive, lol. The Miata more than proves this

    • @xXAsunaxKiritoXx
      @xXAsunaxKiritoXx 7 лет назад +1

      lllll981 Ikr

    • @eddiebob2619
      @eddiebob2619 7 лет назад +2

      Meada Kazuya looks like im talking to people who can only afford junker ricer cars like these. if you want something track worthy and fast get a mustang gt will out preform your honda or miata junk. Want something cheap in your price range? get a used 328i e9x with around 50k miles get a 5 year certified warranty will cost you in total 15kish. You will getting luxury, handling, and more power, and looks lol not a punk kid car.

  • @jaypatricksei8428
    @jaypatricksei8428 7 лет назад

    I like Carlos...he's a great auto journalist.