Yeah, and tbh the circle things with spamton heads in them is really interesting, and especially imo the purple soul esque one is also very interesting
The pendulum and the wall attack at the start are pretty cool, shame that Toby didn't include them as part of the Snowgrave fight, or for the rage mechanic he added to deal with the "funnycheat" for that matter.
@@alperenakdas3479 yes, but not outright impossible. I wouldn'r be surprised we get a big boss rush for getting all the dark crystals, like dark phantoms of those bosses for example.
It do be giving me vibes from “The Heart of NOVA” from Kirby super star, with the direction suddenly going reverse and the whole shoot the pillars and all don’t ya think?
@@ViddyOJames wow, just dodge & shoot good, what a tip 👍🏽 (But fr it may be very difficult now, but I'm sure Toby may repurpose the attack & give it to another enemy)
The seno wall attack to me reminds me of the boss fight with galactic nova’s heart from Kirby Super Star. I don’t get why it was unused, it’s a really good idea.
@@Len_ancha yeah, these examples are likely just early prototypes of attacks ideas, if they actually decided to implement those, they would have been properly been balanced around the boss general difficulty.
The rotating wall one made me realize: difficulty 9 should happen when you cheat (Edit: Also, difficulty 4 and such are too difficult because the walls don’t explode)
@@Skawo guess Toby decided it wasn’t necessary, which is fair. Though I think that first attack was a good one, considering the walls didn’t stay like in other versions (seriously, that was sadistic)
Neat idea but it doesnt seem all that fun. Its just sort of the purple heart but with extra steps that make it more frustrating. I can see why they gave up on it
I'll say it here since it's the first video of the bunch and it's also the longest one, it's so cool to already see unused content for this game! My favorite one is Spamton's pendulum attack.
Very on-brand, with how lots of them look like cent signs - which also serves the gameplay use of giving the player a visible weak point to shoot. If I had to pick one of these attacks to add, I would actually pick this one!
Would be cool if some of these were in the final game, like the sneo walls and the pendulum. The final version of the fight is a bit too easy compared to the previous chapter's superboss
@@josuegarro5437 He is... His attack patterns are definitely easier to understand but each hit deals like 50 damage. And you gotta remember that you only play as Kris, no healer Ralsei and no tanky Susie. 4 hits and you're done.
@@MarcDoesNotKnow spamton attacks even with only Kris are much easier to learn to not get hit, you also don’t have to worry about things like reviving ralsei or Susie compared to the Jevil fight, which attacks are definitely more chaotic to avoid, Spamton is very mechanical
Was wondering about those blue orbs... and that first attack that orbits around the whole box like Jevil's looks great That pendelum attacks was also really cool, my guess is that it didn't LOOK cool? The elevator concept could be polished more but I hope we see more of that, like from Muffet's fight
Would be really cool to see Spamton’s Unused attacks in a much harder version of the fight or mod. Possibly a rematch in the arena? Would definitely require balancing for the crusher attack though.
When watching I realized something with the crusher attack. I have a feeling that it was possibly a little sneaky reference to Metal Crusher. The wall attack at the beginning too. The fact that it goes backwards reminds me of the Mettaton EX attack where it rewinded and went backwards, you even shoot out holes in the walls in both the Mettaton and Spamton attacks.
Interesting to see he had his own version of the carousel attack at one point. Another potential link between the shadow crystal holders before that got severed it seems. Wonder if the heart attack was just the team experimenting with heart hitbox sizes before settling on the final ones. Doesn't look like there's a difference between the actual attacks themselves? Crusher attack seems kind of unfinished artistically and balance wise it definitely looks to be more in a prototype stage with how rough it is to dodge. Though I wonder if we'll see something like that later in the game in a more refined state. The elevator just seems like the purple soul with extra steps. Doesn't look like the idea went very far and I'm not surprised. Unless they never intend to use the purple soul mechanics at all, seems like they could just plop those mechanics into a boss fight instead a roundabout way of having the yellow soul mimic that. Pendulum seems like the most finished of the attack set, though it looks significantly easier to dodge than most of the other attacks.
That bruh moment ehen a boss has too many attacks so some unfortunate ones have to get scrapped. Seriously though, wall controller and pendulum attacks are so cool. They should be added back and make spamton neo a bit longer of a fight.
Can you document these things I found as well? • Flying saucer room in Queen's mansion is different on the weird route, despite being inaccessible • Slight differences in Queen fight on weird route (normally impossible to fight Queen on weird route) • Noelle's dialouge if she's brought to Spamton's shop after encountering him, despite not being possible to go back that far i don't think these are really known about aside from the 3rd one i listed
@@Skawo all good, maybe compile a big list of stuff like these? would be interesting the minor queen fight changes on weird route include an unused attack, but you can just press a number key with debug to change her attack anyway so its easier to show that way, dunno which number it is though
@@Skawo Huh. It's supposed to have a lightning barrier blocking half of the room, with the damaging electrical plugs seen at the start of Cyber World (and on the path to the Queen fight). Might have to progress the weird route up to after freezing Berdly and arriving in the mansion for this change to take effect?
...As I explained in the video, the attacks for that unused enemy "are the same", aside from the last one. In other words, yes, you're right. But I did state so in the video.
Man, that crusher attack went through a _lot_ of revisions before being scrapped entirely. Oh well... I wonder if the sneo_cshot attack was meant to be improved on and eventually used, but Toby (or Taxiderby) just forgot about it, because the attack seems simple enough to be tweaked and it has no variants!
I didn't know Spamton NEO would be way harder than we though it was. 2:21 This one could've been used but it deals no damage but it could've made the heads shoot those white beams if you don't shoot them in time.
honestly hope they add in all of these unused attacks for the next chapter releases or for the official full release cause these are exactly what that boss fight had missing to me
The background reminds me of how Spamton was going to be a “recruitable” enemy but was cut. Maybe these were going to be his challenge attacks? Edit: I also noticed that some of the blue faces change their expression when shot.
Some of these look quite interesting to be honest, especially the spinning head thingy and the bouncing pillars one, the pendulum and the circle one, and the one where its like the purple soul in undertale is really interesting too
idea for an attack: spamton: "what" "are you serious?" spamton turns the phone around "wrong number" the phone spits out 2 pepis on reciver and ear parts, which each go out a small distance and then explode facing mostly the general area of the box. the pepis take 0.75 seconds to explode, and shooting one will make it fly at the player and explode when touching the box. damage can be delt to spamton via hitting the phone. the pepis spits out 6 times, with a recharge rate of 0.5
Makes me wish Spamton Neo kept those attacks, or at least some of them because as far as i'm concerned, he is a way easier boss than Jevil was, which is sad concerning how they're supposed to get harder than the previous. These unused attacks would've made Spamton Neo's fight way more interesting.
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The pendulum attack makes me wish that there was a bigger focus on the puppeteer strings/Spamton's puppet-like state
HONESTLY
It would be interesting to see what the attack in the final game would have looked like.
Would probably look cooler with some extra bullets and animations, like hands reaching out, wings flapping, ect
Finally for once you're not the top comment
@@kirberburgy for saying "hi"
The pendulum one is actually really cool. Kinda wish this one made it to the final release after a little more work was put into it.
Yeah, i always thought the being controlled by strings aspect of Spamton wasn't explored enough
For some reason it gives me the creeps (Maybe because I'm too used to seeing colorless bullets in the bullet board...)
The elevator test attack is also pretty sick
Maybe in a future update.
This is a demo so maybe it would be added later on
that spinning was was actually pretty fitting, it’s like jevils attack but it starts going in reverse like mettaton.
Agreed 100%
yeah, i wish it was used
Yeah, and tbh the circle things with spamton heads in them is really interesting, and especially imo the purple soul esque one is also very interesting
spinning like jevil, reverse like mettaton
i love how on the cshot the faces are like
"oh crap i've been hit"
before dying
The pendulum and the wall attack at the start are pretty cool, shame that Toby didn't include them as part of the Snowgrave fight, or for the rage mechanic he added to deal with the "funnycheat" for that matter.
well, i quess it could be used for a potential future rematch against spamton.
Maybe for a future dojo fight
@@MKL874 When the disco ball shows up the fighting ring from the dojo shows up as well, so that seems plausible.
@@genocidegames8423 i mean neo macihne broken and he become item so its not sound like possibel
@@alperenakdas3479 yes, but not outright impossible. I wouldn'r be surprised we get a big boss rush for getting all the dark crystals, like dark phantoms of those bosses for example.
The wall at the beginning seems similar to Jevil's merry go round attack. Neat.
It do be giving me vibes from “The Heart of NOVA” from Kirby super star, with the direction suddenly going reverse and the whole shoot the pillars and all don’t ya think?
@@fruity357 Thank you now I can't unsee this.
It's also similar to the Mettaton EX attack where it plays normally, and then is reversed like a recording.
@@TheLateLordKardok Which is also referenced with the "Wreck", "Pause" and "Spew" now.
hello, fellow stock image cabbage.
That sneo_crusher one seems ridiculously difficult, even for secret boss standards.
It's pretty unbalanced for the context of Spamton Neo's fight, but I think someone would've balanced out the attacks anyway.
Yeah, needs a bigger window to get through. Oh well, I'm pretty sure Toby would apply that if/when he repurposes these patterns in later chapters
@@ViddyOJames wow, just dodge & shoot good, what a tip 👍🏽
(But fr it may be very difficult now, but I'm sure Toby may repurpose the attack & give it to another enemy)
It looks like dojo rematch. Maybe we can re fight the secret bosses in dojo in town later on?
@@ViddyOJames thanks, I was looking for the salt to season my food, how kind of you to give me some of yours! :D
The seno wall attack to me reminds me of the boss fight with galactic nova’s heart from Kirby Super Star. I don’t get why it was unused, it’s a really good idea.
Yes,someone else who thinks like me!!!!
Probably wasn't meant to be unused but it just so happens that difficulty never reaches 9 so it ends up never happening.
Yes i'm thinking the same way
@@Fi___ Difficulty is set semi-manually for every attack, it doesn't quite "increase" per se.
Same, and kinda from Planet Robobot.
Some of spamtons neos unused attacks are really neat, it’s a shame they didn’t make it into the final game
But some those attacks are really just unbalanced for a character like Spamton Neo.
@@Len_ancha they could easily be balanced
@@Turbulation1 I see.
@@Len_ancha yeah, these examples are likely just early prototypes of attacks ideas, if they actually decided to implement those, they would have been properly been balanced around the boss general difficulty.
they might make it in on the future games
like how jevils unused attack is now berdleys
Spamton NEO with regular ol Rude Buster playing is surreal.
The rotating wall one made me realize: difficulty 9 should happen when you cheat
(Edit: Also, difficulty 4 and such are too difficult because the walls don’t explode)
I kinda thought that's what this was for, but nope. There's nothing in the entire code folder that sets any difficulty variable to 9, ever.
@@Skawo guess Toby decided it wasn’t necessary, which is fair.
Though I think that first attack was a good one, considering the walls didn’t stay like in other versions (seriously, that was sadistic)
A pure reminder that toby can be more crueler than megalo could ever spur out
holy fuck that pendulum attack is fucking horrifying and cursed in so many ways
It's still cool though
The 2:30 attack was actually an early version of the giant spantom that shoots big shots
That is the case when early version is cooler and harder than final.
Am i the only one who thought of the purple soul when seeing that attack
SPANTOM J. SPANTOM
@@theladiescallmesona SPANTOM "G" SPANTOM
@@Xx-Domenico_Entratainment-xX It's SPAMTON G. SPAMTON not SPANTOM G. SPANTOM.
Weird how no one's talked about this until now, especially with how popular Spamton and Rouxls are
It's like Toby made the pillar-spamton head thing so complicated he dropped it in the end 😂
With that wall controller i'm finally convinced that Spamton Neo was made to be Mettaton Neo if you actually were to fight him.
The elevator one is interesting, maybe too difficult, and i don't know if it is appropiated for the yellow soul mode
Neat idea but it doesnt seem all that fun. Its just sort of the purple heart but with extra steps that make it more frustrating. I can see why they gave up on it
@@EmmyEntropy2000 yeah, maybe if it was more like the actual purple mode, but you can't move left and right
It's better for purple souls
@@seeforkat agreed, it could always be reworked for that SOUL power (if it ends up being an actual thing, ofc)
@@alsartsavience3512 I think it could remain that way and put some destroyable Spamtons there so you need to occasionally fire big shots
0:47
That's quite the heart stopper here.
I'll say it here since it's the first video of the bunch and it's also the longest one, it's so cool to already see unused content for this game! My favorite one is Spamton's pendulum attack.
Honestly the shielded spamton heads are pretty cool looking
Very on-brand, with how lots of them look like cent signs - which also serves the gameplay use of giving the player a visible weak point to shoot. If I had to pick one of these attacks to add, I would actually pick this one!
@@alexanderkosten7611 yeah, I would pick that one or the Pendulum attack (albeit refined).
Would be cool if some of these were in the final game, like the sneo walls and the pendulum. The final version of the fight is a bit too easy compared to the previous chapter's superboss
it may be easier but it's a lot cooler
They aren't that hard
@Donald Joebama he's not tho
@@josuegarro5437 He is... His attack patterns are definitely easier to understand but each hit deals like 50 damage. And you gotta remember that you only play as Kris, no healer Ralsei and no tanky Susie. 4 hits and you're done.
@@MarcDoesNotKnow spamton attacks even with only Kris are much easier to learn to not get hit, you also don’t have to worry about things like reviving ralsei or Susie compared to the Jevil fight, which attacks are definitely more chaotic to avoid, Spamton is very mechanical
Was wondering about those blue orbs... and that first attack that orbits around the whole box like Jevil's looks great
That pendelum attacks was also really cool, my guess is that it didn't LOOK cool?
The elevator concept could be polished more but I hope we see more of that, like from Muffet's fight
When u say blue orbs do u mean pipis?
Jevil had an unused attack that looked like one of Berdly's used attacks.
Maybe elevator attack means that next soul will be purple, huh?
@@50cksie not the pipis, the blue, electric ones with explosion sprites
@@HomeByMidnight oh ye those
@@Arthus_Thenesus it seems more of an inspiration more than a “look like”
The best one honestly was the first attack, really liked it.
the first one with the walls reminds me of that one level in kirby super star
Huh. I've been working on something that involved using Spamton NEO's spritesheet, and I was wondering what some of those sprites were for.
Same lol
0:06 LETS RIDE THE CAEROUSEL! PIP PIP!
The first one seems like a direct reference to the shooting part in Galactic Nova's core in Kirby Super Star.
Would be really cool to see Spamton’s Unused attacks in a much harder version of the fight or mod. Possibly a rematch in the arena? Would definitely require balancing for the crusher attack though.
hell yeah a mod would be awesome
When watching I realized something with the crusher attack. I have a feeling that it was possibly a little sneaky reference to Metal Crusher. The wall attack at the beginning too. The fact that it goes backwards reminds me of the Mettaton EX attack where it rewinded and went backwards, you even shoot out holes in the walls in both the Mettaton and Spamton attacks.
Interesting to see he had his own version of the carousel attack at one point. Another potential link between the shadow crystal holders before that got severed it seems.
Wonder if the heart attack was just the team experimenting with heart hitbox sizes before settling on the final ones. Doesn't look like there's a difference between the actual attacks themselves?
Crusher attack seems kind of unfinished artistically and balance wise it definitely looks to be more in a prototype stage with how rough it is to dodge. Though I wonder if we'll see something like that later in the game in a more refined state.
The elevator just seems like the purple soul with extra steps. Doesn't look like the idea went very far and I'm not surprised. Unless they never intend to use the purple soul mechanics at all, seems like they could just plop those mechanics into a boss fight instead a roundabout way of having the yellow soul mimic that.
Pendulum seems like the most finished of the attack set, though it looks significantly easier to dodge than most of the other attacks.
There could be the possibility of the purple soul mechanic happening in the sometime in the future of Deltarune.
These attacks should be in when he is in I rage mode
Love that the first one is a Kirby reference.
That bruh moment ehen a boss has too many attacks so some unfortunate ones have to get scrapped.
Seriously though, wall controller and pendulum attacks are so cool. They should be added back and make spamton neo a bit longer of a fight.
Can you document these things I found as well?
• Flying saucer room in Queen's mansion is different on the weird route, despite being inaccessible
• Slight differences in Queen fight on weird route (normally impossible to fight Queen on weird route)
• Noelle's dialouge if she's brought to Spamton's shop after encountering him, despite not being possible to go back that far
i don't think these are really known about aside from the 3rd one i listed
I can try, although I'll say I'm not good at picking out "slight" differences :s
@@Skawo all good, maybe compile a big list of stuff like these? would be interesting
the minor queen fight changes on weird route include an unused attack, but you can just press a number key with debug to change her attack anyway so its easier to show that way, dunno which number it is though
Well, I checked it out, and while the queen fight is indeed different, the flying saucer room is not, as far as I can tell.
@@Skawo Huh. It's supposed to have a lightning barrier blocking half of the room, with the damaging electrical plugs seen at the start of Cyber World (and on the path to the Queen fight). Might have to progress the weird route up to after freezing Berdly and arriving in the mansion for this change to take effect?
@@Pirlo926 Well, I edited the code that returns snowgrave completion to always return "complete", so I dunno.
I guess I'll check it out again.
I can see why the Sneo_Crushers were removed. Those look unbelievably frustrating.
0:23 Now that's a [[BIG HEART]]!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Imagine how nasty the snowgrave route would have been with these attacks. Especially the crushers.
I have the feeling that the snowgrave route was going to have different attacks, maybe that was considered with these existing
3:20 That attack is not actually unused, but it was one the attacks used by the duck version of the thrash machine.
...As I explained in the video, the attacks for that unused enemy "are the same", aside from the last one.
In other words, yes, you're right. But I did state so in the video.
@@Skawo Sorry about that.
Man, that crusher attack went through a _lot_ of revisions before being scrapped entirely. Oh well... I wonder if the sneo_cshot attack was meant to be improved on and eventually used, but Toby (or Taxiderby) just forgot about it, because the attack seems simple enough to be tweaked and it has no variants!
The first one seems really cool actually
It is cool that they are so developed
Really wish some of these made it into the game, the sneo crusher , pendulum, and C-shot would have all been great with some tweaking and polish
the first attack in the video reminds me of NOVA from Kirby Super Star. Minus the insta-killing walls.
The Spamton NEO Elevator and Pendulum are such cool ideas, I hope that they get used for the next secret boss!
you could probably tell why they were scrapped because they seem a tad bit too difficult though pendulum one was cool
Lest hope we see this attacks in some sort hard mode or rematch
2:05 GOOOOD Looks very funny i love this attack
1:04 I guess this was unused because no hits would of became impossible
0:04 idk about you but that is definitely a kirbys super star reference
The crusher idea looks cool, but also really hard
0:48
Can we talk about how Susie almost died with 1 hp while Kris and Ralsei are down?
seems like most of these attacks were going to be put into the game, but the solo fight wouldve been ridiculously hard so he decided against it
I don’t think a no hit run would be possible if they added that sneo_crusher attack for all phases.
yeah especially at 1:04
The elevator one is a really cool idea!
That first attack is awfully reminiscent of Jevil’s merry-go-round attack.
what toby is aiming is probably a more straight forward attack, attacks that can be learned easily and not dying to it many times
I didn't know Spamton NEO would be way harder than we though it was.
2:21 This one could've been used but it deals no damage but it could've made the heads shoot those white beams if you don't shoot them in time.
The carousel + rec rewind attack might be good for Spamton EX if it ever comes, since rec rewind is used by mettaton EX
honestly hope they add in all of these unused attacks for the next chapter releases or for the official full release cause these are exactly what that boss fight had missing to me
when mike answears the phone
I kinda wish the carousel shooting attacks are here
these are really good shame they did not make it in the game
The background reminds me of how Spamton was going to be a “recruitable” enemy but was cut. Maybe these were going to be his challenge attacks?
Edit: I also noticed that some of the blue faces change their expression when shot.
The dojo is also a good place to test battles, since it's easy to edit what enemy is in the fight and the attacks with the mod tool
The unused triple-heart attack was pretty neat, they weren't all just bigger, the small ones were also linked to his chest instead of the main heart.
The crusher attacks are really cool. The rotating attack at the beginning reminds me of Galactic Nova or Star Dream Soul OS Core
WHY DO THERE NEED TO BE SO MANY DIFFICULTIES FOR OBJ_SNEO_CRUSHER?
2:07
such a missed opportunity
Some of these look quite interesting to be honest, especially the spinning head thingy and the bouncing pillars one, the pendulum and the circle one, and the one where its like the purple soul in undertale is really interesting too
And maybe the bigger hearts were for an earlier part of the boss or something
Sneo crusher will now be dubbed "spamtons funky cbt machine"
Difficulty 2: *gets hit on 90% of attacks*
Difficulty 6: *gets hit twice*
0:14
EXCUSE ME, I KNOW THAT ATTACK MR. FOX.
(If you don't, you should be able to guess that it's from a Kirby game)
idea for an attack:
spamton:
"what"
"are you serious?"
spamton turns the phone around
"wrong number"
the phone spits out 2 pepis on reciver and ear parts, which each go out a small distance and then explode facing mostly the general area of the box. the pepis take 0.75 seconds to explode, and shooting one will make it fly at the player and explode when touching the box. damage can be delt to spamton via hitting the phone. the pepis spits out 6 times, with a recharge rate of 0.5
everybody talking about the pendulum while i'm here admiring the elevator attack
I just noticed now how weird during his heart attack that he just thrusting the entire time.
So, Toby want to make this harder but scared it's too hard...? What a good person
I believe Toby have no time to finish Spamton's attacks and increase his difficulty, I hope he will do this in next updates.
These seem like they would've been nice if you
A. Enrage spamton
B. Do the Weird Route
C. Both
(And with some polishing, of course.)
0:09 Heart of Nova.
That is all.
0:04 kinda like going inside nova star in kirby super star
God I would just love some of this unused attacks for Spamton, they just look so cool (principally the first one)
god damn the pendulum attack could've been kept, it looks so god damn cool, also entirely within character for someone like spamton to do
0:50 OH MY GOD THE EXTREME LUCK
0:05 YOOOO ITS THAT ONE KIRBY HEART OF NOVA BOSS FROM KIRBY SUPER STAR
I really like the obj_sneo_wall_controller it seems really cool
so this is why it ended up unused.... that was terrifying
That pendulum one is actually horrifying given the context of Spamtons character arc. Too bad it didn’t make it in!
CShot was extremely cool in my opinion and sounds like a great replacement to regular Spamton's attack where himself but small come out of his mouth.
If those Unused Spamton NEO attacks were used would he be considered a hard boss like Jevil?
I'd say he's still pretty challenging
@@anueutsuho7425 Im a total noob that cant beat jevil but I beat spamton in my 12th try
the crushers in particular look jevil-tier on some of the difficulty levels
@@blaze4109 imagine if the Pendulums were implemented as a Jevil Carousel-like attack
The evalator and shooting objects on strings if balance right can actually make him harder than Jevil but maybe it will be used in future chapters
The revolving walls attack kind of looks like an attack the Nova Core uses in Kirby Superstar
That reversing pillars attack is literally ripped from a Kirby game (Kirby's Galaxy something I think); it's cool to see it back in a new form!
Well I’m definitely glad with the spamton neo fight we got! That battle is so fun and pleasant to play, the best in the franchise for now imo.
Nobody's talking about the Elevator? Its such a good concept
oh those crushers look like a giant pain in the ass to dodge (which is probably why they were cut)
I can see why some of these were cut from the final game, because a majority of them seem to be very difficult to avoid, or they’re just underwhelming
Spamton:
HOLY [Cungederoo] NEVER THOUGHT I WAS THE [BIGGEST]SHOT WHICH EVEN HAS [Unused attacks].
wall controller reminds me of that one kirby boss in Super Star Ultra where you shoot at orbs iirc while the entire thing spins
The elevator attack is just the purple soul with extra steps
Makes me wish Spamton Neo kept those attacks, or at least some of them because as far as i'm concerned, he is a way easier boss than Jevil was, which is sad concerning how they're supposed to get harder than the previous. These unused attacks would've made Spamton Neo's fight way more interesting.
Not sure if it's better than Rouxl dropping boxes with a sword, but it still is up there with the rest of them.
if toby ever makes up for undertale hardmode, id be glad to see these used!