High Speed Rail used to be looked at as "nice-to-have" in this corridor. It is now a necessity. The traffic and population density has grown immensely which now requires a dedicated and fast rail line. The best time to build this was 30 years ago. The 2nd best time is now.
@@issedoesit279 10 years isn't overnight, and it'll take 10 years just to decide whether to go ahead, another 30 before anything gets actually built - which it won't BTW because this country is just too lazy and free of any leadership or ambition.
@@issedoesit279 I think 10 years is probably the time before the first shovel hits the ground. When you see the dozens of reports on passenger rail projects that have been researched in the last decades, you'd probably understand the cynism and the pessimism we canadian rail fans have. I currently wouldn't recommend taking a Via Rail train except for a Montréal-Toronto trip. And even then, if you are 2 or 3 people, it might be better to just drive since the tickets are so expensive.
@@ney77621 why not compare with a country with similar laws to Canada? China doesnt have the labour laws or environmental protections we have. I dont think you wanna live in a country were the federal government can come in and impose an infrastructure project in your neighbourhood without warning or consultation.
why is this a must build? We already have VIA rail that costs almost the same as an airline ticket. A highspeed train would be basically the same as VIA rail but a little faster. Why pay the price of an airline ticket to go from a place like Toronto to Montreal in 3 hours (or more with all the stops) when you can just get on a plane and be there in about an hour for the same price?
@@pacman3556You do know those are all just corporate talking points by airlines that do not want competition from HSR, right? Besides, flying is one of the most carbon-intensive modes of transport, right up there with driving.
Well just look at Montreal they have built, expanded and upgraded theirs and in conservative land of ontario Toronto 10 years to come up with a concept of a plan to studied and then more planning. Does Doug for and the cons own these engineering consultation firms they seem to be getting the money, just like the CONS in alberta.
@@jamesfehr1 Toronto contractors aint building this thing. Global consortiums who build and operate high speed rail will be in charge. Look up the bidders involved.
@@issedoesit279 but thats because toronto contractors CANT. We don't have the expertise in Toronto, let alone Canada. Once this is built I'm sure we will though.
After 30 years of talking about this in Canada nothing has been done. In less than 15 years, China has built over 45,000 kms of High Speed rail with speeds from 200-350km/h. From Windsor to Montreal is less than 900 kms, come on Canada! Time to get off our asses and have some vision and cut the BS.
we are NOT china, and this is why us, USA and europe hate China because we are jealous of them. They are progressing quickly and for their people, but our government is....... you know it. hahaha :) welcome to our country and our "democracy" hahaha
There is no way you can electrify the rail lines through the mountains and across the prairies they ice over in the winter, fall over in avalanches, and scrap metal collectors strip them down in remote areas, realistically the only route feasible is Toronto to Montreal
@@rhaynenine3422 they have electrification mostly in the south on lines out of Oslo, further in the mountains they don’t, also Norwegians don’t have scrap metal poachers like in Canada. I live in New Zealand it’s similar, we do have electrification in Wellington and Auckland, not in remote regions, not in the South Island in the mountains. Electrification is more unreliable on our commuter network compared to GO trains etc, and we do have scrap metal poachers, they mostly steel the weights that pull the line tight, when they take them a train passes and all the wires come crashing down, they also take copper fittings and various other components, when that happens the entire line can be down for a day or two. Canada is far more unprotected in remote areas people will steal copper and other metals off the lines for sure
Cost-benefit ratio would be insanely poor for a coast to coast high-speed rail line. Federal government should contribute a lot more funding for local transit outside of Ontario and Quebec instead as it would benefit a lot more people.
Canada's Windsor-Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City "Corridor" has sufficient population for high-speed rail. The key is dedicated track infrastructure where the new high-speed passenger trains can operate without traffic congestion caused by CN & CP's slow long meandering delay-causing freight trains. The track/roadbed infrastructure needs to greatly reduce automobile level crossings, as well. Despite the best efforts of hand-tied VIA Rail Canada, we, as a country, lag so far behind in providing quality high-speed or near high-speed passenger rail. We are overdue for so many reasons including the benefits to climate change by using high-speed electric trains and getting people out of their private fossil-fuel guzzling cars and out of similar environmentally unfriendly airplanes. This news is encouraging.
why build a high speed train? The cost of a VIA ticket is about the same as a plane ticket. A high speed train would pretty much be a VIA train but a little faster. Not even a lot faster because it would need to slow down in urban areas, rail crossings and stop at several stops. So why have a high speed train to from a place like Toronto to Montreal that will still be several hours (3 or more depending on slowdowns and number of stops) when can just get on a plane for about the same price and be there in about an hour.
@@pacman3556 Depending on how we build HSR in Canada, rail crossings can be minimized. In addition, I think you're underestimating the time it takes to get from Toronto to Montreal. Fron downtown Toronto, it'd take 20m -40m to reach the airport. Add another 30+ minutes to get through security. Not accounting for delays + airplane taxi time + time to get from YUL to downtown, it can easily take 3+ hours by plane to get where you want to go. This aspect of air travel can make HSR competitive
At least with a train, there's less need to go through rigorous security. It also allows people who can't fly for any reason to get to MTL in a reasonable time
HSR from Windsor to Quebec is critical so Amtrak can see the potential to connect via via Detroit! Maybe (TOR-)MTL-NYC would be seen as a viable option as well.
Japan's first bullet train started in 1964. While in grade school in Canada, we though we would get one in the eighties for sure! Nope, no way, no how. We are so behind, so far behind.
Investing in more rail to move commuters is a complete necessity at this point. Far greater capacity than roads, cheaper in the long run and less impact on the environment. I'm a farmer and I am SICK and tired of all of the car traffic when trying to move equipment, and car-dependant sprawl eating up our farmland!
I was in Europe recently, and took HSR. I would take true HSR over a plane, even if the train took 50% longer. Such an incredible experience. Hi Paul! (from a fellow Hespelerite)
Good, good. 200km/h. That's the speed of the first generation bullet trains that opened in Japan in 1964. They were withdrawn from service in 2008. If they still have them, maybe we could save money & buy them. I guess they chose that speed so Porter & Air Canada would be faster?
Have you been to an airport recently? 3 hours to Montreal by train would be way faster if you include travel to and from the airport, security, baggage, etc.
it is almost 2025, and we are talking about IF we should have it? hahaha. what a joke. we know we will never built it. We are NOT China, NOT Japan. USA and Canada? hahaha we are a joke to be honest. infrastructure is bad, road design is bad, drivers are bad and we still refuse to learn from other countries. High speed rail? this is not a new technology and China has the best and safest system in the world now. It took them 20 years to build it across their country. But in Canada and USA, we are still talking about whether if we should build one? hahaha. what a joke. We are 50 years behind other countries like China, Korea, Japan and other countries. ,. . sorry but our country is far behind. We just don't admit it. This is what we don't get to see on our media.
Canada wants to be greener and yet the only way to get around is by plane or car. Public transportation is horrible in Canada. Instead we just tax Canadians and politicians pat themselves on the back like they have saved the environment. Japans high speed rail is amazing.
@@VieleGuteFahrer You're exactly right. Of course, we need to build our own. The Americans aren't going to start building high-speed rail across Canada. The original comment was ludicrous.
I would love to have this high speed rail. I want to travel to various places in Ontario and Quebec because I know it has a lot to offer and have beautiful sights. For someone who is not a fan of driving for hours, this HSR would be a blessing. This will boost the economy and tourism as well.
Although airplanes are faster than high speed rail, however Canada needs to unload the congestion at airports, by building an alternative transportation system within Canada. There should be a national high-speed railway spanning from Vancouver all the way to Montreal.
200 k/h is a slow slow high speed rail system compared to other places so we can do better and should. If it only drops you off downtown Toronto from Ottawa or Montreal it will need to shave off way more than an hour or two to make it worthwhile as getting anywhere in Toronto is an hour commute. Simply increasing the speed on the 401 will get people from Ottawa to downtown Toronto in about 4 hours so the target high-speed rail from Ottawa to Toronto should be about 2 hours. This will take both Ontario and the Feds to come together and as you can expect the airlines, particularly Air Canada will not be in support of this and will be lobbying aggressively to stop or delay as they've done in the past. The Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto triangle is a cash cow for Air Canada and they are very worried what would happen if we had a viable alternative by using HS Rail. Should we be doing this? Absolutely! Ottawa itself doesn't have the population to support HS but being a stop between Montreal and Toronto could make it viable.
You mention that the only other corridor being considered for high speed rail in Canada is the Calgary Edmonton corridor. That is NOT true! The Vancouver BC / Seattle / Portland corridor is also being given serious consideration for high speed rail.
"...the only other corridor being considered for high speed rail in Canada is the Calgary Edmonton corridor. That is NOT true!" Calm down, America-lover. This is a discussion about high speed rail _in Canada_ , not an international train that would only be in Canada for a few minutes before reaching the border.
How about high speed buses instead, zipping at 130 Km/h on a dedicated 401 lane?! Wouldn't that be exciting? That's the upper limit of where Canada should aim, a country uniquely devoid of all ambition, innovation, and can-do attitude.
I guarantee you that there are 3 companies in Canada that will do everything to fight against high speed rail. Air Canada WestJet Porter Airlines. You KNOW they will do all the lobbying they can to ensure this never happens.
Seeing what happened to Alitalia when Italy got high speed rail would probably make them nervous. I think if we get it, the train should go directly to a few of the major airports.
Porter is especially screwed as HSR would effectively kill any rationale for keeping Billy Bishop Airport open, unless they bite the bullet and partner with VIA to transfer passengers from HSR to flights outside of the "Corridor"
I still don't get the whole extending it to Quebec City part just for political reasons when number are not in favor. It makes a lot more sense to Extend it to Hamilton, with stops at Oakville and Burlington and can also be achieved by upgrading Go train lines which will be electrified and gives better result with lower infrastructure cost even if there may be some sacrifices in terms of speed. It's very important for us to build Toronto⇒Ottawa⇒Montreal section first on very high priority. Liberals sat on it since last election achieving little to no progress and paying executive to attend events and give interview but no groundwork.
I remember the Turbo train on the Montreal-Toronto corridor that had to slow down so often for other rail traffic that it was hardly an improvement at all. A maglev train on a dedicated guideway at 500km/hr is a step into the future.
This is even more necessary with recent news that CN is limiting VIA Rail Train speeds on this corridor. Canada’s growth is so hampered by the lack of mobility we as citizens have
The Windsor-Toronto corridor is already being planned by as part of Amtrak's 2030 expansion projects. Pretty sad when Canada has to rely on US rail to fill our own needs.
@@DarkpawTheWolfThats wrong. Amtraks plans only include connecting Detroit to Windsor thru the rail tunnel, riders would then switch to a VIA train at Windsor. Amtrak cant legally operate services between Canadian cities just like Via Rail cant operate in the U.S. When Amtrak crosses border at Niagara, a VIA crew takes over and operates as a VIA train to Torontos Union Station.
@@issedoesit279 It will be an Amtrak train that traverses the route, just like it is for the Maple Leaf route through Niagara Falls. It may be a Via crew, but it's not a Via train (except on paper).
Canada was first united by a rail way, its time to do so again. It would be expensive, but Vancouver to Toronto should absolutely happen, be it for national pride if nothing else.
I am 44 this year, I hope to see this while I am still alive assuming I live to 100 years old. Meanwhile, I have already experienced this in China so it's nothing new, Canada does need this though
Can go much further than Toronto to Montreal. Have it go all the way from Windsor to Quebec City and you have a high speed line that's usable by up to 50% of the country's population.
The UAC TurboTrain should have been a dedicated high speed rail line 50 years ago. Fighting between different levels of government and contractors makes building anything slow if not impossible. I’d love to see this but I’m not holding my breath.
It should be like France's TGV or other HSR that could do 600 km/h. It should've already been done...but I guess we'll need to wait another 10-20 years. I'd love to be able to go from Toronto to Montreal in a couple of hours and either return the same day or come back the next.
I will be in the grave before a single kilometer of high-speed rail is built in Canada. Seeing how expensive the California HSR project has been, and how long its taken, I can almost guarantee that any start for an Ontario/Quebec HSR program is killed before it even leaves the drawing board. I have more faith in an Edmonton-Calgary HSR.
@@sars19641 I wish that was the case. China already helping other countries build out their high speed train network. People would be complaining that a G7 country like Canada isn't hiring their own people for all these jobs.
@@oddlyrandom5071 we are G7, we are NOT china, this is why we are so far behind now, and our media still does not admit it. Canada will never get high speed rail........ sadly.
This is going to take all the money. Good luck getting any government to support that all the way. This will be a PPP project, no doubt, and with no firms that know how to build high speed rail in Canada, there will be mistakes. Double the time, triple the budget, and if a Conservative government comes in, or if the Liberals hit a scandal, consider it either delayed 10 years, or outright canceled.
Unfortunately, the car lobby has played a huge role in turning Canada into the sprawling, car-dependent landscape it is today, and they’ll likely try to shut down high-speed rail again, just like in the past. At least Toronto is making strides with regional transit. Once Line 5 Eglinton Crosstown opens (hopefully by early 2025) and connects to the UP Express, GO trains, and other subway lines, I’m hopeful more people will push for better transit options. It feels like only those in big cities can truly envision the benefits of high-speed rail, while people outside the major urban centers are stuck advocating for more highways-classic 'induced demand.' We need to rally public support for this and not let car lobbyists get in the way of progress. And remember, if you love driving, more transit is actually good for you-fewer people on the roads!
They've been saying this is 10 years away every year for the past 20+ years. And I don't buy it. They seem to look for excuses NOT to do it rather than do it. Between the Peterborough and Perth there is even existing historic rail right-of-way that has been used as a communications corridor. They have the route. They have the land. With the HUGE amounts of money collected by carbon tax they should have the money. Get on it already.
Right!!! Our governments are good at talking about this. Been hearing about this for decades. California can't even get their own high speed rail going. Their project is well behind schedule and already well above budget. Calgary - Edmonton rail...all talk. No political will. Hope these will be built.
@@Nicoriss that's why you invest in new technologies. Canada was at the forefront of rail technology when they built a national network, and we've fallen so far behind in the world that we need to build future tech to make up for it.
This is such good news they are considering high speed on its own corridor and not the “high frequency” option they were talking about before. Every rail line on its own corridor can be high frequency you just run more trains. This is awesome fingers crossed we get high speed (which includes high frequency)
The HFR that they're talking about would operate on dedicated tracks and would also be 47 kph or 30 mph faster than today's trains frequently delayed on freight-owned infrastructure. As such, HFR would be significantly faster, consistently more reliable, and far more frequent than what we presently have! Therefore, a 3 1/2 hour or less travel time for HFR trains running between Toronto and Montreal is achievable, thereby making affordable, modernized passenger rail operating at HrSR (Higher Speed Rail) speeds highly competitive with driving, and even air travel, considering the downtown-to-downtown convenience of passenger rail.
In 10 years, electric aviation including eVTOL will definitely be another option for travel. No need for large environmentally impactful project anymore. Also, a lot depends on how much this project will cost, and who is going to bear this cost as I don't think our tax payers want to subsidize these large government projects anymore as we are hurting as a country big time already!
No, it's not. And even if it ever is, it's not going to be anything affordable. I mean, look at the current "normal" speed train costs, they are outrageous.
They always look at Ontario and Montreal when it comes to infrastructure and rail. But ignore everything west of Ontario. Another example of our government building off the backs of western Canadians. Where’s our rail?
The government need to approve true high speed rail and get it built 10 years ago, this shouldn’t be a question of if, only why haven’t we started already?!
This is the primary pipe dream of nearly everyone living in the Toronto Montreal Quebec city corridors. However, the reality of the situation is that in order for such a line to exist, it must be entirely separate from the existing rail operations. Hence, several hundred billion dollars at the least. Good luck!!!
I worry Canada is not capable of building such projects anymore. Politics and special interests will bring it to a standstill (but only after billions have been spent).
Hi there. This is an item that ran in our newscast. There is currently no train right now. This is a news story about the plan for a high speed rail line.
@@YourMorningCTV Hi, Thank you for your response. I understand this news story is about a 'future' high-speed rail line plan. However, recent events regarding the editing of certain clips have raised concerns about the credibility of past and future reports. Given the incident involving the edited Parliamentarian's (Poilievres) clip and the scrutiny faced by CTV, I feel it's crucial for transparency in all news segments. Could you provide assurances or details on how you ensure the accuracy and integrity of your news reports? Transparency in your editorial process would greatly help to rebuild trust. Thank you!
Elon Musk, “People are mistaken when they think that technology just automatically improves. It does not automatically improve. It only improves if a lot of people work very hard to make it better. And actually, it will I think-by itself-degrade.”. Canada is a perfect example of "degrade", it now cannot even get the LRT built with quality in its capital, HSR? only in Canadian dreams. Lots of countries, especially in Asia, have been building HSR in recent decades, yet Canada has only TALKED about the same proposal every 3 years, for the past decades. If any politician seriously want to do something for their people, the HSR should have been running on Canada's land already. Stop finding excuses and get things done!
Sadly, it’s true what he said about conservative governments. They have been notorious for cutting rail services nationally if you look at VIA’s history.
after almost 50 ears of studies we are still waiting for the first km of new track to be built. While the Quebec city to windsor is kind of holding on; in the rest of the country more 30% of the population without trains nor busses is totally dependent on automobile. I just bought a new 18 feet canoe to be ready when Canada reaches back to the fur trade era. the Edmonton, Calgary, Banff will not be built until the UCP (for social credit ideology) will remain in power. UCP applies policies dictated by the oil industry and any transit seat (train or bus) take one automobile of the road which is VERY bad for the oil tycoons and share holders. (The UCP Alberta provincial government has managed to delay the LRT green lines construction for six years using all possible objection to finally cancel their share previously agreed on nearly ten years ago Feasibility studies, royal commissions are the canadian way preventing politicians from having to make difficult decisions. IT works
It's been talked about "seriously" for the last 50 years. There have been countless studies in that time with nothing significant ever getting done. This will likely fade out like all the studies and proposals before it. It's an idea that has some merit, but the planning, costs, and other issues derail the plan - every single time. With a change of government likely happening in the near future, the timing of this proposal sounds more like a desperate liberal election promise
High Speed Rail used to be looked at as "nice-to-have" in this corridor. It is now a necessity. The traffic and population density has grown immensely which now requires a dedicated and fast rail line.
The best time to build this was 30 years ago. The 2nd best time is now.
Canada has the most studies done on high speed rail in the world yet no HSR lmao it's sad.
@@PorterII Most? Comparing to Japan, EU, China?
HyperLoop between Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto, make it happen already
This is well overdue. Canada should have had a high-speed rail, service long time ago.
Since the late 80s
Not with the CP and CN lobbyists who want to get subsidies forever duck taping their wrecks together.
@@terrymckenzie8786 And don't forget Air Canada desperately trying to protect their near monopoly in the Ottawa-Toronto-Montreal-Quebec City network
HyperLoop between Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto, make it happen already
@@WhyWorldWet Hyperloop is a scam, no where near as feasible or practical as a true HSR line
"Perhaps within 10 years..." That perfectly encapsulate the lethargy and lack of ambition of this country.
You think a 1000km rail corridor gets built from scratch overnight?
@@issedoesit279 China built 46x that amount in a decade. Canada has no excuse
@@issedoesit279 10 years isn't overnight, and it'll take 10 years just to decide whether to go ahead, another 30 before anything gets actually built - which it won't BTW because this country is just too lazy and free of any leadership or ambition.
@@issedoesit279 I think 10 years is probably the time before the first shovel hits the ground. When you see the dozens of reports on passenger rail projects that have been researched in the last decades, you'd probably understand the cynism and the pessimism we canadian rail fans have.
I currently wouldn't recommend taking a Via Rail train except for a Montréal-Toronto trip. And even then, if you are 2 or 3 people, it might be better to just drive since the tickets are so expensive.
@@ney77621 why not compare with a country with similar laws to Canada? China doesnt have the labour laws or environmental protections we have. I dont think you wanna live in a country were the federal government can come in and impose an infrastructure project in your neighbourhood without warning or consultation.
This is a MUST BUILD project. There is no saying no to this, it’s mandatory infrastructure. Canada needs to get into the 21st century.
nonsense........
@@jamestfishertweety8534 Have fun in traffic
@@jamestfishertweety8534 Enjoy your underwhelming status quo infrastructure then
why is this a must build? We already have VIA rail that costs almost the same as an airline ticket. A highspeed train would be basically the same as VIA rail but a little faster. Why pay the price of an airline ticket to go from a place like Toronto to Montreal in 3 hours (or more with all the stops) when you can just get on a plane and be there in about an hour for the same price?
@@pacman3556You do know those are all just corporate talking points by airlines that do not want competition from HSR, right? Besides, flying is one of the most carbon-intensive modes of transport, right up there with driving.
Toronto can’t even get its subway extensions done. This is a pipe dream.
Well just look at Montreal they have built, expanded and upgraded theirs and in conservative land of ontario Toronto 10 years to come up with a concept of a plan to studied and then more planning. Does Doug for and the cons own these engineering consultation firms they seem to be getting the money, just like the CONS in alberta.
@@jamesfehr1 Toronto contractors aint building this thing. Global consortiums who build and operate high speed rail will be in charge. Look up the bidders involved.
@@issedoesit279 but thats because toronto contractors CANT. We don't have the expertise in Toronto, let alone Canada. Once this is built I'm sure we will though.
After 30 years of talking about this in Canada nothing has been done. In less than 15 years, China has built over 45,000 kms of High Speed rail with speeds from 200-350km/h. From Windsor to Montreal is less than 900 kms, come on Canada! Time to get off our asses and have some vision and cut the BS.
we are NOT china, and this is why us, USA and europe hate China because we are jealous of them. They are progressing quickly and for their people, but our government is....... you know it. hahaha :) welcome to our country and our "democracy" hahaha
For real!
China can afford it. Not so sure Canada can afford to give away billions to construction cartels.(ontop of the billions they already give them)
Exactly! It will probably take 10 years just to get approval and another 15 years to build.
And how much of your money are you willing to pay for this?
We need this nationally, our country should be more modern
There is no way you can electrify the rail lines through the mountains and across the prairies they ice over in the winter, fall over in avalanches, and scrap metal collectors strip them down in remote areas, realistically the only route feasible is Toronto to Montreal
@@ytzpilot If Norway can do it, why can't we
@@rhaynenine3422 they have electrification mostly in the south on lines out of Oslo, further in the mountains they don’t, also Norwegians don’t have scrap metal poachers like in Canada. I live in New Zealand it’s similar, we do have electrification in Wellington and Auckland, not in remote regions, not in the South Island in the mountains. Electrification is more unreliable on our commuter network compared to GO trains etc, and we do have scrap metal poachers, they mostly steel the weights that pull the line tight, when they take them a train passes and all the wires come crashing down, they also take copper fittings and various other components, when that happens the entire line can be down for a day or two. Canada is far more unprotected in remote areas people will steal copper and other metals off the lines for sure
@@ytzpilotedmonton and Calgary would work. As would Vancouver Seattle.
Cost-benefit ratio would be insanely poor for a coast to coast high-speed rail line. Federal government should contribute a lot more funding for local transit outside of Ontario and Quebec instead as it would benefit a lot more people.
Canada's Windsor-Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City "Corridor" has sufficient population for high-speed rail. The key is dedicated track infrastructure where the new high-speed passenger trains can operate without traffic congestion caused by CN & CP's slow long meandering delay-causing freight trains. The track/roadbed infrastructure needs to greatly reduce automobile level crossings, as well. Despite the best efforts of hand-tied VIA Rail Canada, we, as a country, lag so far behind in providing quality high-speed or near high-speed passenger rail. We are overdue for so many reasons including the benefits to climate change by using high-speed electric trains and getting people out of their private fossil-fuel guzzling cars and out of similar environmentally unfriendly airplanes. This news is encouraging.
Well said.
why build a high speed train? The cost of a VIA ticket is about the same as a plane ticket. A high speed train would pretty much be a VIA train but a little faster. Not even a lot faster because it would need to slow down in urban areas, rail crossings and stop at several stops. So why have a high speed train to from a place like Toronto to Montreal that will still be several hours (3 or more depending on slowdowns and number of stops) when can just get on a plane for about the same price and be there in about an hour.
@@pacman3556 Depending on how we build HSR in Canada, rail crossings can be minimized. In addition, I think you're underestimating the time it takes to get from Toronto to Montreal. Fron downtown Toronto, it'd take 20m -40m to reach the airport. Add another 30+ minutes to get through security. Not accounting for delays + airplane taxi time + time to get from YUL to downtown, it can easily take 3+ hours by plane to get where you want to go. This aspect of air travel can make HSR competitive
At least with a train, there's less need to go through rigorous security. It also allows people who can't fly for any reason to get to MTL in a reasonable time
HSR from Windsor to Quebec is critical so Amtrak can see the potential to connect via via Detroit!
Maybe (TOR-)MTL-NYC would be seen as a viable option as well.
Japan's first bullet train started in 1964. While in grade school in Canada, we though we would get one in the eighties for sure! Nope, no way, no how. We are so behind, so far behind.
Investing in more rail to move commuters is a complete necessity at this point. Far greater capacity than roads, cheaper in the long run and less impact on the environment. I'm a farmer and I am SICK and tired of all of the car traffic when trying to move equipment, and car-dependant sprawl eating up our farmland!
Well said. Biggest opponents of HSR in the Toronto to Windsor proposal were farmers so im happy to see your support.
Just came back from Spain. Their train system is world class. We often hit 295km. Quiet, smooth and comfortable.
Plenty of space for luggage.
I was in Europe recently, and took HSR. I would take true HSR over a plane, even if the train took 50% longer. Such an incredible experience.
Hi Paul! (from a fellow Hespelerite)
We can't even build a street car line in under a decade
Good, good. 200km/h. That's the speed of the first generation bullet trains that opened in Japan in 1964. They were withdrawn from service in 2008. If they still have them, maybe we could save money & buy them. I guess they chose that speed so Porter & Air Canada would be faster?
Have you been to an airport recently? 3 hours to Montreal by train would be way faster if you include travel to and from the airport, security, baggage, etc.
@@Mystro256 Not from Billy Bishop, which got a lease extension!
it is almost 2025, and we are talking about IF we should have it? hahaha. what a joke. we know we will never built it. We are NOT China, NOT Japan. USA and Canada? hahaha we are a joke to be honest. infrastructure is bad, road design is bad, drivers are bad and we still refuse to learn from other countries. High speed rail? this is not a new technology and China has the best and safest system in the world now. It took them 20 years to build it across their country. But in Canada and USA, we are still talking about whether if we should build one? hahaha. what a joke. We are 50 years behind other countries like China, Korea, Japan and other countries. ,. . sorry but our country is far behind. We just don't admit it. This is what we don't get to see on our media.
Exactly correct! It's like US/Canada is still 3rd world when it comes to HSR.
This is correct.
Canada wants to be greener and yet the only way to get around is by plane or car. Public transportation is horrible in Canada. Instead we just tax Canadians and politicians pat themselves on the back like they have saved the environment. Japans high speed rail is amazing.
Doug Ford would never allow for precious funding to be diverted away from building more traffic jams
Wow Canada and the USA need to work together to bring hi speed rail to both countries
Wow, no they don't.
The U.S. already has high-speed rail in the Northeast and is constructing new lines in the West …
@@VieleGuteFahrer You're exactly right.
Of course, we need to build our own. The Americans aren't going to start building high-speed rail across Canada. The original comment was ludicrous.
The New England Regional Rail Plan for the Northeast US includes high speed rail to Montreal from CT/MA.
@@stephanjones3239 Yikes! I'm not sure if this is your point or not, but that just shows that we need to build our own high speed rail even more.
I would love to have this high speed rail. I want to travel to various places in Ontario and Quebec because I know it has a lot to offer and have beautiful sights. For someone who is not a fan of driving for hours, this HSR would be a blessing. This will boost the economy and tourism as well.
Although airplanes are faster than high speed rail, however Canada needs to unload the congestion at airports, by building an alternative transportation system within Canada. There should be a national high-speed railway spanning from Vancouver all the way to Montreal.
200 k/h is a slow slow high speed rail system compared to other places so we can do better and should. If it only drops you off downtown Toronto from Ottawa or Montreal it will need to shave off way more than an hour or two to make it worthwhile as getting anywhere in Toronto is an hour commute. Simply increasing the speed on the 401 will get people from Ottawa to downtown Toronto in about 4 hours so the target high-speed rail from Ottawa to Toronto should be about 2 hours. This will take both Ontario and the Feds to come together and as you can expect the airlines, particularly Air Canada will not be in support of this and will be lobbying aggressively to stop or delay as they've done in the past. The Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto triangle is a cash cow for Air Canada and they are very worried what would happen if we had a viable alternative by using HS Rail. Should we be doing this? Absolutely! Ottawa itself doesn't have the population to support HS but being a stop between Montreal and Toronto could make it viable.
You mention that the only other corridor being considered for high speed rail in Canada is the Calgary Edmonton corridor. That is NOT true! The Vancouver BC / Seattle / Portland corridor is also being given serious consideration for high speed rail.
"...the only other corridor being considered for high speed rail in Canada is the Calgary Edmonton corridor. That is NOT true!" Calm down, America-lover.
This is a discussion about high speed rail _in Canada_ , not an international train that would only be in Canada for a few minutes before reaching the border.
@@juliansmith4295 Im not an American lover, but Im not a lover of our Canadian legacy media willfully omitting facts either.
@@doobiecentral They're not omitting facts, as I showed you above. High speed rail _in Canada_ is not from the US border to Portland.
In 30 years, maybe. They've been talking about it for 40 years already.
They’ve been talking about this for decades, how long does it take our governments to get it done.
this is Canada, we are not China, we never get things done. Sorry, but we all know about our own country. :(
Because Quebec doesn’t want to give a cent to this project
How about high speed buses instead, zipping at 130 Km/h on a dedicated 401 lane?! Wouldn't that be exciting? That's the upper limit of where Canada should aim, a country uniquely devoid of all ambition, innovation, and can-do attitude.
Alberta needs this desperately.
If high speed rail comes to Alberta, it should begin in Calgary and go all the way to For MacMurray.
I guarantee you that there are 3 companies in Canada that will do everything to fight against high speed rail.
Air Canada
WestJet
Porter Airlines.
You KNOW they will do all the lobbying they can to ensure this never happens.
Seeing what happened to Alitalia when Italy got high speed rail would probably make them nervous. I think if we get it, the train should go directly to a few of the major airports.
Porter is especially screwed as HSR would effectively kill any rationale for keeping Billy Bishop Airport open, unless they bite the bullet and partner with VIA to transfer passengers from HSR to flights outside of the "Corridor"
Those companies have a marketcap of 10B. Basically peanuts compared to Ontario/Fed.
I still don't get the whole extending it to Quebec City part just for political reasons when number are not in favor. It makes a lot more sense to Extend it to Hamilton, with stops at Oakville and Burlington and can also be achieved by upgrading Go train lines which will be electrified and gives better result with lower infrastructure cost even if there may be some sacrifices in terms of speed. It's very important for us to build Toronto⇒Ottawa⇒Montreal section first on very high priority. Liberals sat on it since last election achieving little to no progress and paying executive to attend events and give interview but no groundwork.
& kw london
Because QC is worth seeing, but most in Ontario don't as its so far. While hamilton has nothing to see. Would be a one way trip going north.
I remember the Turbo train on the Montreal-Toronto corridor that had to slow down so often for other rail traffic that it was hardly an improvement at all.
A maglev train on a dedicated guideway at 500km/hr is a step into the future.
LOL ) funniest news ) it would take a minimum of 50 years to build in Canada , very conservative estimate
conservative being the operative word
This is even more necessary with recent news that CN is limiting VIA Rail Train speeds on this corridor. Canada’s growth is so hampered by the lack of mobility we as citizens have
Huge soils, But, a dense population in big cities. That's why Canada needs High-speed trains.
The Eglinton Crosstown Light Rail Transit still not even in service.
They’ve been talking about this for decades.
3:00 Air Canada & WestJet (Amongst Others) have probably been having "words" with those politicians as well💰
Canada wants to complain about México's government structure but just now considering high speed rail after México debuted Tren Maya? Okay
About time. From London to Windsor and London too.
Canada NEEDS this. Desperately. Build it, build it right, and get it done.
This project must include Windsor & London.
Eventually will get there. Most of the high speed lines globally initially started smaller than grew.
The Windsor-Toronto corridor is already being planned by as part of Amtrak's 2030 expansion projects. Pretty sad when Canada has to rely on US rail to fill our own needs.
@@DarkpawTheWolfThats wrong. Amtraks plans only include connecting Detroit to Windsor thru the rail tunnel, riders would then switch to a VIA train at Windsor.
Amtrak cant legally operate services between Canadian cities just like Via Rail cant operate in the U.S.
When Amtrak crosses border at Niagara, a VIA crew takes over and operates as a VIA train to Torontos Union Station.
@@issedoesit279 It will be an Amtrak train that traverses the route, just like it is for the Maple Leaf route through Niagara Falls. It may be a Via crew, but it's not a Via train (except on paper).
We need this in Canada🇨🇦. I lived in Australia, and the public train system there is so extensive, even to their suburbs. Unlike in Canada lol 😀😀😀
Canada was first united by a rail way, its time to do so again. It would be expensive, but Vancouver to Toronto should absolutely happen, be it for national pride if nothing else.
I am 44 this year, I hope to see this while I am still alive assuming I live to 100 years old. Meanwhile, I have already experienced this in China so it's nothing new, Canada does need this though
When pigs are kosher/halal and donkeys fly. That's when high speed rail will come to Canada.
I love how they show 600kph footage from the Japanese maglev. We are not getting anything. Anything.
Start with Quebec City to Windsor. It is a crucial project!
I hate flying and all the fu-ing security, the fu-ing delays, the nickel and diming, the pre-clearing, and etc.
Let's hope the government doesn't cheap out and we get the fastest trains available.
Can go much further than Toronto to Montreal. Have it go all the way from Windsor to Quebec City and you have a high speed line that's usable by up to 50% of the country's population.
The UAC TurboTrain should have been a dedicated high speed rail line 50 years ago. Fighting between different levels of government and contractors makes building anything slow if not impossible. I’d love to see this but I’m not holding my breath.
I hope my grandchildren may have the chance to see it 2086 😅😅😅
Yes, please!
It should be like France's TGV or other HSR that could do 600 km/h. It should've already been done...but I guess we'll need to wait another 10-20 years. I'd love to be able to go from Toronto to Montreal in a couple of hours and either return the same day or come back the next.
We wish the TGV would fly at 600kph. In commercial, it’s up to 320kph. Only maglev goes faster I think.
It certainly has got enough people and travel along that corridor.
Its about time. We are only 70 years behind the rest of the world
I will be in the grave before a single kilometer of high-speed rail is built in Canada.
Seeing how expensive the California HSR project has been, and how long its taken, I can almost guarantee that any start for an Ontario/Quebec HSR program is killed before it even leaves the drawing board.
I have more faith in an Edmonton-Calgary HSR.
We can't even builid a LRT in a reasonble time and on budget in Toronto.
High Speed Train can Hire Foreign Experienced Company to do the job like Japanese or S Korean Railroad companies
@@sars19641 I wish that was the case. China already helping other countries build out their high speed train network. People would be complaining that a G7 country like Canada isn't hiring their own people for all these jobs.
@@oddlyrandom5071 we are G7, we are NOT china, this is why we are so far behind now, and our media still does not admit it. Canada will never get high speed rail........ sadly.
They always trumpet this stuff when an election is imminent
This has been an idea for quite some time now.
This is going to take all the money. Good luck getting any government to support that all the way. This will be a PPP project, no doubt, and with no firms that know how to build high speed rail in Canada, there will be mistakes. Double the time, triple the budget, and if a Conservative government comes in, or if the Liberals hit a scandal, consider it either delayed 10 years, or outright canceled.
@@jessebrook1688thats why the 3 bidders include European firms who've built and operated High speed rail.
@@jessebrook1688 Obviously.
@@jessebrook1688 and would still be cheaper than Ford's tunnel.
Unfortunately, the car lobby has played a huge role in turning Canada into the sprawling, car-dependent landscape it is today, and they’ll likely try to shut down high-speed rail again, just like in the past. At least Toronto is making strides with regional transit. Once Line 5 Eglinton Crosstown opens (hopefully by early 2025) and connects to the UP Express, GO trains, and other subway lines, I’m hopeful more people will push for better transit options. It feels like only those in big cities can truly envision the benefits of high-speed rail, while people outside the major urban centers are stuck advocating for more highways-classic 'induced demand.' We need to rally public support for this and not let car lobbyists get in the way of progress. And remember, if you love driving, more transit is actually good for you-fewer people on the roads!
They've been saying this is 10 years away every year for the past 20+ years. And I don't buy it. They seem to look for excuses NOT to do it rather than do it. Between the Peterborough and Perth there is even existing historic rail right-of-way that has been used as a communications corridor. They have the route. They have the land. With the HUGE amounts of money collected by carbon tax they should have the money. Get on it already.
the key to making high speed rail great is not PSR, better off buying the track (none of the class 1s would even want to sell their tracks)
need Calgary-Edmonton high speed as harsh winter make road drive very risky in this region.
Right!!! Our governments are good at talking about this. Been hearing about this for decades. California can't even get their own high speed rail going. Their project is well behind schedule and already well above budget. Calgary - Edmonton rail...all talk. No political will. Hope these will be built.
because our country is running by politicians. we need a strict and firm leader in order to get things done.
Sadly Windsor getting cut out
Need to extend to Hamilton, KW, London 2 million people
High speed rail is like more than 50 years old. Why not get maglev or Hyperloop?
Where is hyper loop? Nowhere not even a real prototype. Maglev is great but even more expensive.
@@Nicoriss that's why you invest in new technologies. Canada was at the forefront of rail technology when they built a national network, and we've fallen so far behind in the world that we need to build future tech to make up for it.
They have been talking of this for 40 years but then gas lobbyists will stop it
Most of Europe east Asia even India Russia Indonesia Morocco have HSR
They can't even build a train between PET and downtown Montreal lol
We need this
This is such good news they are considering high speed on its own corridor and not the “high frequency” option they were talking about before. Every rail line on its own corridor can be high frequency you just run more trains. This is awesome fingers crossed we get high speed (which includes high frequency)
The HFR that they're talking about would operate on dedicated tracks and would also be 47 kph or 30 mph faster than today's trains frequently delayed on freight-owned infrastructure.
As such, HFR would be significantly faster, consistently more reliable, and far more frequent than what we presently have!
Therefore, a 3 1/2 hour or less travel time for HFR trains running between Toronto and Montreal is achievable, thereby making affordable, modernized passenger rail operating at HrSR (Higher Speed Rail) speeds highly competitive with driving, and even air travel, considering the downtown-to-downtown convenience of passenger rail.
In 10 years, electric aviation including eVTOL will definitely be another option for travel. No need for large environmentally impactful project anymore. Also, a lot depends on how much this project will cost, and who is going to bear this cost as I don't think our tax payers want to subsidize these large government projects anymore as we are hurting as a country big time already!
It just gonna take Canada 59 years:(
I'm sure rich people will love it
Sounds cool… but… we don’t have the population… The territory is too large
At last, finally (by 2050). Wow.
What just 200 kmh lol? Why not 300 kmh or more?
Need hsr from coast to coast not just city to city.
No, it's not. And even if it ever is, it's not going to be anything affordable. I mean, look at the current "normal" speed train costs, they are outrageous.
They always look at Ontario and Montreal when it comes to infrastructure and rail. But ignore everything west of Ontario. Another example of our government building off the backs of western Canadians.
Where’s our rail?
They’ve been talking about this for decades…..no news here.
Get it across the country
The government need to approve true high speed rail and get it built 10 years ago, this shouldn’t be a question of if, only why haven’t we started already?!
It’s not public transit if it’s not fare-free :))
This is the primary pipe dream of nearly everyone living in the Toronto Montreal Quebec city corridors. However, the reality of the situation is that in order for such a line to exist, it must be entirely separate from the existing rail operations. Hence, several hundred billion dollars at the least. Good luck!!!
The ONLY G7 nation with no highspeed rail. What a joke.
Just contract the Chinese to build the track, like what we did 150 years ago. They will sent 5000 workers and get it done in a year or two.
Yeah, right...
I worry Canada is not capable of building such projects anymore. Politics and special interests will bring it to a standstill (but only after billions have been spent).
How do I know this news is true.. did they clip anything in the news... Is it actually a train going from Toronto to windsor.. who is to know?
Hi there. This is an item that ran in our newscast. There is currently no train right now. This is a news story about the plan for a high speed rail line.
@@YourMorningCTV Hi,
Thank you for your response. I understand this news story is about a 'future' high-speed rail line plan. However, recent events regarding the editing of certain clips have raised concerns about the credibility of past and future reports.
Given the incident involving the edited Parliamentarian's (Poilievres) clip and the scrutiny faced by CTV, I feel it's crucial for transparency in all news segments. Could you provide assurances or details on how you ensure the accuracy and integrity of your news reports? Transparency in your editorial process would greatly help to rebuild trust.
Thank you!
Elon Musk, “People are mistaken when they think that technology just automatically improves. It does not automatically improve. It only improves if a lot of people work very hard to make it better. And actually, it will I think-by itself-degrade.”. Canada is a perfect example of "degrade", it now cannot even get the LRT built with quality in its capital, HSR? only in Canadian dreams. Lots of countries, especially in Asia, have been building HSR in recent decades, yet Canada has only TALKED about the same proposal every 3 years, for the past decades. If any politician seriously want to do something for their people, the HSR should have been running on Canada's land already. Stop finding excuses and get things done!
Sadly, it’s true what he said about conservative governments. They have been notorious for cutting rail services nationally if you look at VIA’s history.
after almost 50 ears of studies we are still waiting for the first km of new track to be built. While the Quebec city to windsor is kind of holding on; in the rest of the country more 30% of the population without trains nor busses is totally dependent on automobile. I just bought a new 18 feet canoe to be ready when Canada reaches back to the fur trade era.
the Edmonton, Calgary, Banff will not be built until the UCP (for social credit ideology) will remain in power. UCP applies policies dictated by the oil industry and any transit seat (train or bus) take one automobile of the road which is VERY bad for the oil tycoons and share holders. (The UCP Alberta provincial government has managed to delay the LRT green lines construction for six years using all possible objection to finally cancel their share previously agreed on nearly ten years ago
Feasibility studies, royal commissions are the canadian way preventing politicians from having to make difficult decisions. IT works
Long overdue, this is no longer an “expensive nice to have” other countries can now get this for cheap.
Build houses simultaneously 😅
Its should come to halifax
Don't worry, we spend $100 million on committees for commitees for commitees before a single shovel hits the ground.
High speed rail comes to Canada? Where in Canada....oh ya... Toronto to Montreal. So that's apparently Canada.
No way Polievre will carry this vision to completion. Sorry Canada we hate ourselves and don’t deserve nice things
It's been talked about "seriously" for the last 50 years. There have been countless studies in that time with nothing significant ever getting done. This will likely fade out like all the studies and proposals before it. It's an idea that has some merit, but the planning, costs, and other issues derail the plan - every single time. With a change of government likely happening in the near future, the timing of this proposal sounds more like a desperate liberal election promise