Love hearing good unbiased NBA analysis without hyperbole aka SAS and the rest of the ESPN talking heads. No matter who you have as MVP, Luka, Jokic and SGA are all balling out and obviously first team NBA 💯
Having Jaylen Brown and Tyrese Maxey over Kawhi, AD, and Booker is pretty wild. Not to mention Kyrie didn't reach the 65 game threshold. Not your best work Legs
My teams are: 1st team: Jokic Luka SGA Giannis Tatum 2nd: Brunson Ant Kawhi Lebron KD 3rd: Curry Booker Brown AD Sabonis And my toughest omissions are PG and Zion
Its crazy to me that Giannis is getting short change because he has been doing this for so long and his co-star had his worst season since his rookie year on top of being a liability defensively for most of the year. Malik Beasley consistently dying on screen. The back line of defense cannot be effective with a horrendous front line. He carries this team from beginning to end through 3 coaches. A lot of people put that on him but that first coach obviously alienated people since his head assistant resigned. The played 8 games with their full team since Doc took over. It’s like the only thing that really matter is the last month. SAD
No kawhi is the most stop listening. They were .500 what about pacers and lakers LOL. 50/40/90 season on 4 seed in west best player on team and what makes them go
I have Luka as my MVP, respectful disagreement is great. But most people in media don’t watch games. And it’s obvious. Not your case, guys. This discussions show me who is honest and who is not
I've said this a couple times. My pick us Luka, I can respect Jokić. But the fact Luka got 1 first place vote in Bontemps' poll with Tatum and Giannis getting 2, SGA getting 10 and Jokić getting 85 is criminal. National media people watch the Lakers, Warriors, sometimes whomever won last year and the occasional TNT game. Nothing else
Steph final 25 gms 22 ppg 4 rebs 5 ast 41%Fg (read that again) 37%3pt 93%ft 3 turnovers per game (6 turnovers in elimination game) Kyrie last 25 gms 26 ppg 5 rebs 5 ast 51%fg 41%3pt 93%ft Giving steph all-nba is ridiculous All those player rankings should have Kai>Steph next season
i love Legs but bad, contradictory reasoning. i’m not a Luka fan, but to say he had the best individual season but not deserving of MVP is special. Before anyone says Mavs were only #5, i believe Jokic won MVP from #6 then i always hate “the best player on the best team” stance. it seemingly is the only reason he put Tatum on, but best record don’t matter much for SGA in the MVP running
Am I going to see this "lame" excuse everyday?!? Take kyrie off that team for the WHOLE season and have tim hardaway or whoever mavs 3rd most important piece is gafford, washington, green lol.. it doesn't matter mavs would be a 30win team after all that. "JoKiC MvP wItH sIxTh SeEd" 🥴
@@truebrowncanadian Legler was talking about Luka, Jokic had nothing to do with it. outside of being a low seed, had nothing to do with jokic or if he deserves mvp
@@theFRIS naah, don't backtrack lol, you mentioned jokics mvp season in 2022, jokic had 2000 + 1000+ 500 - jamal murray 82 - MPjr 73 = MVP that season, lets see how luka would do without his 2nd and 3rd best players.
@@truebrowncanadian as stated, i’m not a Luka fan so i have no argument for him…i’m a sixers fan so outside of Embiid, i don’t care about these other players…i was only pointing out Legs’ differing reasonings
Brunson > Tatum tho. Tatum has been way below his defensive ceiling and offensively he's been bad by the league's increasing offensive standards for all-nba guys. Especially since he doesn't playmake and he's the inverse of clutch, swap him out with Mikal Bridges and the team wins are the same. Just give the ball to Jrue and Derrick more instead of having them play spot-up or dunker spot positions.
@@thekaying right now, their offensive production is comparable. We won't mention defense because Jayson Tatum is leagues ahead of Jalen Brunson in that regard. The difference is Jayson has to split touches, essentially sacrificing his stats for the greater good. Swap Jayson and Jalen...either Jalen's numbers go down or they go up and everyone else's numbers go down. Jayson, on the other hand, would average over 30pts easily on the Knicks while improving the Knicks' defense.
@@karimw.9954 *Absolutely not* lmao "Spliting touches"??? Their usage is 2% different, and *_Brunson is a fccing P&R heavy point guard._* Their AST:USG is 0.94 and 0.68 in favor of Brunson, when Tatum has a roster where he can slip and drop the ball and probably get an assist off it. Tatum is an *extremely overrated defender.* His team defends better without him on the court, and that's with him *_being backed up by Sam Hauser._* I do not care about 'swapping' hypotheticals because that's not how rosters are built. I would still LOVE to see yours, because Thibbs would probably force Tatum to be everything he can be and finally make him a genuine MVP candidate
@@thekaying usage doesn't measure touches. You're laughing while not knowing what you're laughing at. Usage measures possessions that are ended with a turnover, field goal or free throw attempt. Touches and time of possession are actually tracked. Touches per game: Jalen Brunson - 88; Jayson Tatum - 75.8 Time of possession: Jalen Brunson - 8.6; Jayson Tatum - 4.8 Jalen Brunson has to dominate the ball to be as productive on offense as Jayson Tatum. While Jayson Tatum has to limit his usage to ensure other players can contribute to the league's number 1 ranked offense. This isn't a debate. You were the first to bring up a hypothetical but now you don't want to "swap hypotheticals". Makes sense. And whether or not Jayson Tatum is an overrated defender is irrelevant. He's exponentially better than Jalen Brunson and that isn't subjective.
@@karimw.9954 Tatum is #1 in isolation frequency *_IN THE LEAGUE._* On *_the most talented team in the league._* You can't measure touches with ToP in this case, because *_95,6% of Tatum's iso makes are pullup threes._* If your main move is chucking it, your ToP will _always_ be tiny. That's not even playstyle, it's Tatum's horseshxt decisionmaking. I would be exstatic if Tatum had a bigger ToP, because it's more a measure of how much he settles than how much he gets the ball. Time of posession also compares Thibbs' offense (no. 1 in ToP) to Mazzulla's, as well as ignoring the fact that at a lower AST:USG, this literally just means Tatum shares the ball less and shoots tougher shots, making fewer shots for others. The ONLY way ToP would be a superior metric than USG% in this case would be if Tatum was an elite play finisher (lob threat, primarily spot-up, playing primarily off others) or a pg with fewer p&rs which he CLEARLY ISN'T, because again, he isolates THE MOST IN THE LEAGUE at a miniscule AST:USG. Furthermore raw touches are not what affects anyone "sacrificing stats" - usage is. so either "The difference is Jayson has to split touches, essentially sacrificing his stats for the greater good" was utterly nonsensical, or you meant how many plays a player gets to make for themselves and their stats, which is in no way what touches are as a statistic. More statistical touches relative to usage rate is actually closer to the INVERSE of what you seem to want it to mean - *_it means a player is setting up others instead of padding his own stats._* If tatum has a high USG with fewer touches - as he does - it means *_the ball sticks with him and he's getting a shot up or turns it over more often_* It's honestly easier to see you as dishonest than this dcmb. Thank you for accusing me then immediately putting on a clinic of "not knowing what you're laughing at" Swap hypotheticals work when the players are similar or fit equally well otherwise. What I said is literally a fact, you can't swap those two with the way the rosters are built around them and have that represent their respective skill. That's why MB works in that same spot and swapping a six footer for a 3/4 doesn't.
Because Brunson might’ve never broken out like he has if he had to play behind Luka and Kyrie is more of a dynamic scorer who is at his best playing alongside a playmaker a PG like Luka.
This is coming from A die hard Pacer fan too but i dont think Tyrese deserves to be on the 2nd team. Im not convinced he should be on the 3rd team. My only other argument is how cant you not even mention Deaaron Fox's name. Fox is the leader of that team. Fox i believe leads the league in steals and his defense is VERY underrated. Beside that i liked all the picks.
Did Legler forget that Clippers exist, or did I miss something? Kawhi had to differ to Harden....how does Maxey or Kyrie make it over Kawhi??? Kyrie isn't even eligible! He played 58 games! The 4th seed in the West gets no one, but a 9th seed, 10th seed, and 2 8th seeds get players in All NBA? A 5th seed gets 2 players?! I thought you rewarded winning? That's the whole reason you said you couldn't justify two Lakers and bumped down Giannis! First bad Legs take in awhile.
Two Mavs, one Suns player, one Lakers player, a Kings player. Zero Clippers players. Clippers have a better record than all of those teams. Makes no sense to me. But hey, we all have our opinions. Although the Win/Loss record is not an opinion
@TG-I-am Lakers have two top 25 players, (with one of them supposedly being the best basketball player ever), and they were in the play-in. And Legs still included one of them on his All-NBA team. I don't see why Kawhi can't be on one of them as well
@@truebrowncanadianharden top 25? Have you even taken the time to think about it Because he's closer to 70 than 25. And I'm not sure I would even put him top 150
Giannis is a no brainer for First Team All NBA! You're disrespect towards him is ABSURD! Giannis's defense was elite all year. The guards messing up on the perimeter is what has compromised his numbers. He's actually been better on defense than he was last year. Your bs defense wAsN't aS gOOd argument is a cop out because you know you're gonna get RIPPED for that choice. Screw off with this team success crap for All NBA . Giannis gets injured at the end of the year which leaves him incapable of trying retain the 2nd seed (you don't care about that context tho), Damian Lillard is worse this year and his horrible defense (also Malik's) forces Giannis into bad spots where he has to constantly help (you don't care about that context either), mid season coaching change forces a different style of play with no time to practice or learn the new concepts properly, and the Knicks being 1 game up rips away his First Team selection. A game they won by going into OVERTIME with against the freaking Bulls! One day's worth of games when Giannis was out and Lillard shoots 2-14 takes away Giannis's first team selection despite being the First player to average 30+ppg on 60%+ from the field. If Shaq did that, you wouldn't leave him off of first team even if he was on the freaking Pistons! Not to mention Jalen Brunson is listed as a MINUS defender. But defense is what bumps Giannis off?! Get outta here. Don't ever talk about anyone else's personal biases again. There are more than 3 locks for First team. Bunch of standings watchers you all are. You, the media, set expectations on a team and then rip plauers for not meeting them. That's not on the players
Luka and SGA both made 1st team All NBA last year and were 1st or 2nd team ALL NBA on every ballot last year on 11/10 seeds who were 38-44 and 40-42 and I never once heard about their record. Also it ignores context of bad coaches I.E. Ham for Lakers fighting for 1-4 seed if their coach is wasn’t a moron who waited to consistently start Rui until Feb 2 (they won at 56-28 pace when Rui started). Also 47-35 a lot of years is 4-6 seed vs 7-8. First team all nba Jokic SGA Luka Giannis Brunson (Celtics are better per 100 with Tatum OFF the court they’re that good of a TEAM). 2nd team Tatum Kawhi LeBron (Jokic Luka Bron only 3 players averaging 25+ 7+ 7+ and LeBron 1st player EVER to avg 25+ 8+ apg on 50+ FG% 40+ 3P%…he’s 6-8 in EPM EW VORP PER RAPTOR and his +9.9 OnOff 7th best of any All NBA candidate yet I see way too many ppl have him behind Durant Ant who are behind him in literally everything besides PPG especially analytically…IST MVP has tj mean something to imo) AD Haliburton (context of Top5 in MVP all year first 32 games before injury and Top7-12 in EPM BPM VORP PER. League leader in APG, accounted for 48-50 PPG, 47-35 when Pacers were projected to win 36-39 games from July to October before season. He’s also the only player ever to hit all of his numbers of his PPG APG RBG SPG BPG or better…great in IST as well…Pacers quietly when he played without mins restrictions were 4-1 vs Bucks, 2-1 gs 76ers all with Embiid, 2-1 vs Celtics, 2-0 vs Knicks and that included wins Vs all of them besides Knicks in massive IST games) 3rd team: Durant (Durant could be 2nd team over Hali who fell off post injury, but peak and overall analytically Hali > this year) Ant Booker Curry Sabonis It’s def very hard on players 6-20 range who make 2nd 3rd + honorable mention but I try to look at value/impact/analytics and individual player greatness as much as anything.
You reward Dallas with two players? That's tough legs! Very tough, I know you like Luka and Mavs but kyrie with 58 games over kawhi who miss 50/40/89 (90) by 1% in 68 games is tough legs.
I hope that before he submits his ballot it gets sent back and he is informed he can’t vote for Kyrie who didn’t play enough games to qualify. If he doesn’t want to vote for Kawhi, as questionable as that is, that’s fine. But his logic that Kawhi has had better seasons has nothing to do with whether or not he is all nba worthy. There are 3 levels of all nba. He has been first team several times, and no one is saying he should be on the first team. But did 15 players have a better season than him? I don’t think so.
Giannis > Tatum. Crediting him with wins he wasn't at all crucial for is dumb. They score 1 fewer point per 100 pos with him and opponents score 1 more. Net rating has limitations, but usually that's because of a good bench or because the starting lineup isn't dominant. In his case, both of those things are the opposite of true. He's not a net negative, but being -2 net on/off with that roster makes it very apparent he's barely a positive. He's been way below his defensive ceiling and offensively he's been bad by the league's standards for all-nba guys. Especially since he doesn't playmake and he's clutch for the other team, swap him out with Mikal Bridges and the team wins are the same. Just give the ball to Jrue and Derrick more instead of having them play spot-up or dunker spot positions.
Legs comment about Leonard make no sense if you apply the argument to Lebron James. And the Clippers had a much better record than the Lakers. Clear bias to Lebron over Kawhi there
So stats don’t mean anything but wins do like Jaylen brown but yet he says the opposite about maxey ? Who wasn’t winning without embiid legs deff hippocrit hear
Wait kyrie all nba this year? 😂😂😂 dude didn’t even play enough games to be eligible. Yooo lemme get a hit of what legs is smokin. Also where tf is Book? Maxey, Tyrese, Kyrie 🧐🤨 over book… Legs really turned into a suns hater this year 🥲
Love hearing good unbiased NBA analysis without hyperbole aka SAS and the rest of the ESPN talking heads. No matter who you have as MVP, Luka, Jokic and SGA are all balling out and obviously first team NBA 💯
He's better than other ESPN analysts but he's still an ESPN analyst. So all the crappy flaws that come with that still apply to him
@@smgyro1476Not really. Tim has been their best NBA analyst for decades now.
Yes, this is definitely true, im tired of hearing SAS BS opinion.
@@smgyro1476 which flaws? point one out before you make these kind of statements
Having Jaylen Brown and Tyrese Maxey over Kawhi, AD, and Booker is pretty wild. Not to mention Kyrie didn't reach the 65 game threshold. Not your best work Legs
Maxey over Leonard is just disrespectful and a clear show of bias. Disappointed in Legs
My teams are:
1st team:
Jokic
Luka
SGA
Giannis
Tatum
2nd:
Brunson
Ant
Kawhi
Lebron
KD
3rd:
Curry
Booker
Brown
AD
Sabonis
And my toughest omissions are PG and Zion
Good list! Better list then legs! I agree with your list except put Booker on 2 nd team and ant 3 rd team
Its crazy to me that Giannis is getting short change because he has been doing this for so long and his co-star had his worst season since his rookie year on top of being a liability defensively for most of the year. Malik Beasley consistently dying on screen. The back line of defense cannot be effective with a horrendous front line. He carries this team from beginning to end through 3 coaches. A lot of people put that on him but that first coach obviously alienated people since his head assistant resigned. The played 8 games with their full team since Doc took over. It’s like the only thing that really matter is the last month. SAD
Its just blatant disrespect by the media. I mean the fact Luka made all nba first team last year missing the playoffs last year just proves it
its all subjective and all these dudes balled this year
Giannis has to be first team All NBA. Ain’t no way he doesn’t make it
I agree legs is crazy
Kyrie Irving 3rd team with only 58 games…. That’s tough Legs!
Kawhi was definitely the hugest snub from Legs list. Second would be AD. AD was the best player on the Lakers this year. I'd replace LeBron with him
Kyrie is ineligible this year 😂 58 games
As a Spurs fan, Wemby shouldn’t make an All-NBA team this year over the lists you guys came up with. Solid lists overall!
He is so unusual and scary that we all think, ok from next year everything is Wemby, lets have last non Wemby year.
Yeah he should, sell your spurs jersey
No kawhi is the most stop listening. They were .500 what about pacers and lakers LOL. 50/40/90 season on 4 seed in west best player on team and what makes them go
Yeah but legs you forgot Suns had the most injuries first half of the season too. Lot of injuries. That’s why Booker should be in too
Was it positionless now? This season?
The problem with luka is without irving hes not in the conversation. Especially after game one with the clippers
Giannis didn’t look good on defense because they lost Holiday and everyone is getting older on that team.
I have Luka as my MVP, respectful disagreement is great. But most people in media don’t watch games. And it’s obvious.
Not your case, guys. This discussions show me who is honest and who is not
I've said this a couple times. My pick us Luka, I can respect Jokić. But the fact Luka got 1 first place vote in Bontemps' poll with Tatum and Giannis getting 2, SGA getting 10 and Jokić getting 85 is criminal.
National media people watch the Lakers, Warriors, sometimes whomever won last year and the occasional TNT game. Nothing else
"I don't know what that team would look like without Jalen Brunson on the floor." Hint- watch team without JB on floor.
I love you Legz but how was maxey a better basketball player this year than Devin Booker
Over Kawhi?!
Booker was better! He had 3 50 point games and 7 assists. Not to mention they were injured the most in league first 50 games
Actually Mavs we’re arguable the most injured team in NBA and despite still win 50 games!
Steph final 25 gms
22 ppg
4 rebs
5 ast
41%Fg (read that again)
37%3pt
93%ft
3 turnovers per game (6 turnovers in elimination game)
Kyrie last 25 gms
26 ppg
5 rebs
5 ast
51%fg
41%3pt
93%ft
Giving steph all-nba is ridiculous
All those player rankings should have Kai>Steph next season
Kyrie only played 58 games though so he won’t qualify
Good list but I'm confused on Kyrie cuz isn't he ineligible?
Bring the disrespect Giannis will prove all these guys wrong
i love Legs but bad, contradictory reasoning. i’m not a Luka fan, but to say he had the best individual season but not deserving of MVP is special. Before anyone says Mavs were only #5, i believe Jokic won MVP from #6
then i always hate “the best player on the best team” stance. it seemingly is the only reason he put Tatum on, but best record don’t matter much for SGA in the MVP running
This is exactly what I was going to say. Very flawed logic
Am I going to see this "lame" excuse everyday?!? Take kyrie off that team for the WHOLE season and have tim hardaway or whoever mavs 3rd most important piece is gafford, washington, green lol.. it doesn't matter mavs would be a 30win team after all that. "JoKiC MvP wItH sIxTh SeEd" 🥴
@@truebrowncanadian Legler was talking about Luka, Jokic had nothing to do with it. outside of being a low seed, had nothing to do with jokic or if he deserves mvp
@@theFRIS naah, don't backtrack lol, you mentioned jokics mvp season in 2022, jokic had 2000 + 1000+ 500 - jamal murray 82 - MPjr 73 = MVP that season, lets see how luka would do without his 2nd and 3rd best players.
@@truebrowncanadian as stated, i’m not a Luka fan so i have no argument for him…i’m a sixers fan so outside of Embiid, i don’t care about these other players…i was only pointing out Legs’ differing reasonings
Maxey over booker?
Booker definitely should be over Maxey and Edward’s. Booker had 3 50 point games and led the team when Durant was out and Beal was out 30 games
Agreed
didn’t expect this from u legs
Jalen Brunson over Giannis is diabolical
Brunson > Tatum tho.
Tatum has been way below his defensive ceiling and offensively he's been bad by the league's increasing offensive standards for all-nba guys. Especially since he doesn't playmake and he's the inverse of clutch, swap him out with Mikal Bridges and the team wins are the same. Just give the ball to Jrue and Derrick more instead of having them play spot-up or dunker spot positions.
@@thekaying right now, their offensive production is comparable. We won't mention defense because Jayson Tatum is leagues ahead of Jalen Brunson in that regard. The difference is Jayson has to split touches, essentially sacrificing his stats for the greater good.
Swap Jayson and Jalen...either Jalen's numbers go down or they go up and everyone else's numbers go down. Jayson, on the other hand, would average over 30pts easily on the Knicks while improving the Knicks' defense.
@@karimw.9954 *Absolutely not* lmao
"Spliting touches"??? Their usage is 2% different, and *_Brunson is a fccing P&R heavy point guard._* Their AST:USG is 0.94 and 0.68 in favor of Brunson, when Tatum has a roster where he can slip and drop the ball and probably get an assist off it.
Tatum is an *extremely overrated defender.* His team defends better without him on the court, and that's with him *_being backed up by Sam Hauser._*
I do not care about 'swapping' hypotheticals because that's not how rosters are built. I would still LOVE to see yours, because Thibbs would probably force Tatum to be everything he can be and finally make him a genuine MVP candidate
@@thekaying usage doesn't measure touches. You're laughing while not knowing what you're laughing at. Usage measures possessions that are ended with a turnover, field goal or free throw attempt. Touches and time of possession are actually tracked.
Touches per game: Jalen Brunson - 88; Jayson Tatum - 75.8
Time of possession: Jalen Brunson - 8.6; Jayson Tatum - 4.8
Jalen Brunson has to dominate the ball to be as productive on offense as Jayson Tatum. While Jayson Tatum has to limit his usage to ensure other players can contribute to the league's number 1 ranked offense. This isn't a debate.
You were the first to bring up a hypothetical but now you don't want to "swap hypotheticals". Makes sense. And whether or not Jayson Tatum is an overrated defender is irrelevant. He's exponentially better than Jalen Brunson and that isn't subjective.
@@karimw.9954 Tatum is #1 in isolation frequency *_IN THE LEAGUE._* On *_the most talented team in the league._* You can't measure touches with ToP in this case, because *_95,6% of Tatum's iso makes are pullup threes._* If your main move is chucking it, your ToP will _always_ be tiny. That's not even playstyle, it's Tatum's horseshxt decisionmaking. I would be exstatic if Tatum had a bigger ToP, because it's more a measure of how much he settles than how much he gets the ball.
Time of posession also compares Thibbs' offense (no. 1 in ToP) to Mazzulla's, as well as ignoring the fact that at a lower AST:USG, this literally just means Tatum shares the ball less and shoots tougher shots, making fewer shots for others. The ONLY way ToP would be a superior metric than USG% in this case would be if Tatum was an elite play finisher (lob threat, primarily spot-up, playing primarily off others) or a pg with fewer p&rs which he CLEARLY ISN'T, because again, he isolates THE MOST IN THE LEAGUE at a miniscule AST:USG.
Furthermore raw touches are not what affects anyone "sacrificing stats" - usage is. so either "The difference is Jayson has to split touches, essentially sacrificing his stats for the greater good" was utterly nonsensical, or you meant how many plays a player gets to make for themselves and their stats, which is in no way what touches are as a statistic. More statistical touches relative to usage rate is actually closer to the INVERSE of what you seem to want it to mean - *_it means a player is setting up others instead of padding his own stats._* If tatum has a high USG with fewer touches - as he does - it means *_the ball sticks with him and he's getting a shot up or turns it over more often_* It's honestly easier to see you as dishonest than this dcmb.
Thank you for accusing me then immediately putting on a clinic of "not knowing what you're laughing at"
Swap hypotheticals work when the players are similar or fit equally well otherwise. What I said is literally a fact, you can't swap those two with the way the rosters are built around them and have that represent their respective skill. That's why MB works in that same spot and swapping a six footer for a 3/4 doesn't.
Ya, Tim! Give Kyrie that love. Ky been dealing! ❤
I think that Brunson is deserving of first team ALL NBA, but i still feel more confident in Mavs having Kyrie. How can both be true?
Because Brunson might’ve never broken out like he has if he had to play behind Luka and Kyrie is more of a dynamic scorer who is at his best playing alongside a playmaker a PG like Luka.
Brunson is a mini Luka. Brunson and Kyrie have very different play styles and Kyrie's is better to support Luka.
Brunson on the Knicks is significantly better than he was on the mavs
@@isaactetteh5527 Brunson had 2 pt vs Clippers game 7. He was unplayable.
This is coming from A die hard Pacer fan too but i dont think Tyrese deserves to be on the 2nd team. Im not convinced he should be on the 3rd team.
My only other argument is how cant you not even mention Deaaron Fox's name. Fox is the leader of that team. Fox i believe leads the league in steals and his defense is VERY underrated.
Beside that i liked all the picks.
wait Luka made all nba first team last year and missed the playoffs and play in but Giannis is a 3 seed and that takes him off all NBA first team?
@@thekaying the mavs had 38 wins last year the bucks have 49 this year how does ur point make sense?
@@KurinKato1 brain farted there, my bad. I agree with you
Boston had a real easy schedule!!!
Boston had one the toughest schedule in the league
Did Legler forget that Clippers exist, or did I miss something? Kawhi had to differ to Harden....how does Maxey or Kyrie make it over Kawhi???
Kyrie isn't even eligible! He played 58 games! The 4th seed in the West gets no one, but a 9th seed, 10th seed, and 2 8th seeds get players in All NBA? A 5th seed gets 2 players?! I thought you rewarded winning? That's the whole reason you said you couldn't justify two Lakers and bumped down Giannis!
First bad Legs take in awhile.
All nba teams are mostly individual awards!
Two Mavs, one Suns player, one Lakers player, a Kings player. Zero Clippers players. Clippers have a better record than all of those teams. Makes no sense to me. But hey, we all have our opinions. Although the Win/Loss record is not an opinion
Clippers have a stacked roster and underperformed though.. harden, pg, kawhi all arguable top 25 players in league.
@TG-I-am Lakers have two top 25 players, (with one of them supposedly being the best basketball player ever), and they were in the play-in. And Legs still included one of them on his All-NBA team. I don't see why Kawhi can't be on one of them as well
@@truebrowncanadianharden top 25? Have you even taken the time to think about it
Because he's closer to 70 than 25.
And I'm not sure I would even put him top 150
Giannis is a no brainer for First Team All NBA! You're disrespect towards him is ABSURD!
Giannis's defense was elite all year. The guards messing up on the perimeter is what has compromised his numbers. He's actually been better on defense than he was last year. Your bs defense wAsN't aS gOOd argument is a cop out because you know you're gonna get RIPPED for that choice.
Screw off with this team success crap for All NBA . Giannis gets injured at the end of the year which leaves him incapable of trying retain the 2nd seed (you don't care about that context tho), Damian Lillard is worse this year and his horrible defense (also Malik's) forces Giannis into bad spots where he has to constantly help (you don't care about that context either), mid season coaching change forces a different style of play with no time to practice or learn the new concepts properly, and the Knicks being 1 game up rips away his First Team selection. A game they won by going into OVERTIME with against the freaking Bulls!
One day's worth of games when Giannis was out and Lillard shoots 2-14 takes away Giannis's first team selection despite being the First player to average 30+ppg on 60%+ from the field. If Shaq did that, you wouldn't leave him off of first team even if he was on the freaking Pistons!
Not to mention Jalen Brunson is listed as a MINUS defender. But defense is what bumps Giannis off?! Get outta here. Don't ever talk about anyone else's personal biases again. There are more than 3 locks for First team. Bunch of standings watchers you all are.
You, the media, set expectations on a team and then rip plauers for not meeting them. That's not on the players
Kyrie didn´t play 65 games...
Luka and SGA both made 1st team All NBA last year and were 1st or 2nd team ALL NBA on every ballot last year on 11/10 seeds who were 38-44 and 40-42 and I never once heard about their record. Also it ignores context of bad coaches I.E. Ham for Lakers fighting for 1-4 seed if their coach is wasn’t a moron who waited to consistently start Rui until Feb 2 (they won at 56-28 pace when Rui started). Also 47-35 a lot of years is 4-6 seed vs 7-8.
First team all nba
Jokic
SGA
Luka
Giannis
Brunson (Celtics are better per 100 with Tatum OFF the court they’re that good of a TEAM).
2nd team
Tatum
Kawhi
LeBron (Jokic Luka Bron only 3 players averaging 25+ 7+ 7+ and LeBron 1st player EVER to avg 25+ 8+ apg on 50+ FG% 40+ 3P%…he’s 6-8 in EPM EW VORP PER RAPTOR and his +9.9 OnOff 7th best of any All NBA candidate yet I see way too many ppl have him behind Durant Ant who are behind him in literally everything besides PPG especially analytically…IST MVP has tj mean something to imo)
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Haliburton (context of Top5 in MVP all year first 32 games before injury and Top7-12 in EPM BPM VORP PER. League leader in APG, accounted for 48-50 PPG, 47-35 when Pacers were projected to win 36-39 games from July to October before season. He’s also the only player ever to hit all of his numbers of his PPG APG RBG SPG BPG or better…great in IST as well…Pacers quietly when he played without mins restrictions were 4-1 vs Bucks, 2-1 gs 76ers all with Embiid, 2-1 vs Celtics, 2-0 vs Knicks and that included wins Vs all of them besides Knicks in massive IST games)
3rd team:
Durant (Durant could be 2nd team over Hali who fell off post injury, but peak and overall analytically Hali > this year)
Ant
Booker
Curry
Sabonis
It’s def very hard on players 6-20 range who make 2nd 3rd + honorable mention but I try to look at value/impact/analytics and individual player greatness as much as anything.
Sabonis and Wemby were neck and neck to me
Wemby doesn’t get in cos spurs were bad team
Hell no, Wemby did not win enough games
You reward Dallas with two players? That's tough legs! Very tough, I know you like Luka and Mavs but kyrie with 58 games over kawhi who miss 50/40/89 (90) by 1% in 68 games is tough legs.
Kyrie isn’t eligible
I hope that before he submits his ballot it gets sent back and he is informed he can’t vote for Kyrie who didn’t play enough games to qualify.
If he doesn’t want to vote for Kawhi, as questionable as that is, that’s fine. But his logic that Kawhi has had better seasons has nothing to do with whether or not he is all nba worthy. There are 3 levels of all nba. He has been first team several times, and no one is saying he should be on the first team. But did 15 players have a better season than him? I don’t think so.
So Halliburton is better than kawaii? Dude is smoking something
Jalen Brunson should be a lock for 1st team as well if you ask me
Not when Giannis had the season that he did. Only Tatum can be replaced
@@smgyro1476tatum had a way better year than brunson.
Giannis > Tatum. Crediting him with wins he wasn't at all crucial for is dumb. They score 1 fewer point per 100 pos with him and opponents score 1 more. Net rating has limitations, but usually that's because of a good bench or because the starting lineup isn't dominant. In his case, both of those things are the opposite of true. He's not a net negative, but being -2 net on/off with that roster makes it very apparent he's barely a positive.
He's been way below his defensive ceiling and offensively he's been bad by the league's standards for all-nba guys. Especially since he doesn't playmake and he's clutch for the other team, swap him out with Mikal Bridges and the team wins are the same. Just give the ball to Jrue and Derrick more instead of having them play spot-up or dunker spot positions.
Giannis is 1st sorry
Also Shai is MVP stop doing the he’s young and team is young they will all get there’s we know how pro sports are NOT PROMISED TOMORROW
What a joke. Adam picking Gobbert over Sabonis
lol gobert no way is all nba player!
Wow no giannis , yall out yall m8nd
Legs comment about Leonard make no sense if you apply the argument to Lebron James. And the Clippers had a much better record than the Lakers. Clear bias to Lebron over Kawhi there
So stats don’t mean anything but wins do like Jaylen brown but yet he says the opposite about maxey ? Who wasn’t winning without embiid legs deff hippocrit hear
Casual take by Legs sadly
Brunson over Giannis?! Wth is going on here? No GM would pick Brunson over Giannis…agreed, not Leglers best work.
Wait kyrie all nba this year? 😂😂😂 dude didn’t even play enough games to be eligible. Yooo lemme get a hit of what legs is smokin. Also where tf is Book? Maxey, Tyrese, Kyrie 🧐🤨 over book… Legs really turned into a suns hater this year 🥲
Wemby?
Ant over brunson
His lists is awful , Halliburton wasn’t that dude at the end of the year.
Wasn't that dude for most of the games after the all star break.
I normally love Tim's analysis but there's some bad takes here.
Booker should be top 4 guard and be on second team