That’s what sucks about all of this. The news has very broad rights under the First Amendment, but saying the cop killed the victim could open them up to a defamation/libel lawsuit since it wasn’t officially declared by a court. Let this serve as an example at how “The Ministry of Truth” manifests itself in American society, even when we have the First Amendment to fight against such suppressions of truth.
He was granted immunity via the State so it's likely the federal level will follow with that, there was no justified reason for him to run that stop sign and the fact he didn't see her means he wasn't paying attention to the road.
Catching up to other vehicles in a surveillance team does NOT constitute an emergency. Even when ANY LEO is going code they are still REQUIRED to practice due diligence. The DEA agent needs to be prosecuted under State law but should be found guilty regardless. NO IMMUNITY for receckless driving, period.
It should but time and again SCOTUS and the circuit courts have ruled it does whenever the facts of a case does _not_ match the preciseness of the facts of previous cases where the courts found the cop clearly broke his qualified immunity! 😠😡🤬👿
They might go over that at trial, but right now, we're at the procedural posture of simply figuring out which court to go to, and people have lost their GD minds over a normal court process. It makes me wonder if we should just make a law saying. If you don't have at least more than a bachelor's degree, then you can't see any court proceedings other than the main one. People forget not being educated comes with a cost.
Qualified Immunity is literally a cop-out constructed by SCOTUS. It needs to be either explicitly eliminated entirely or VERY narrowly defined to eliminate baseless complaints against public officials.
apparently he thinks he should be able to get away with what he did rather than be a man and face the consequences for his clear lack of judgement and common sense.
Unless & until law enforcement is held to the same standard as we are, these negligent ki//ings will just keep on Unfortunately, the rich & powerful who created the laws & the police policies that allow this are going to keep it that way. All we are to them is a mob that must be controlled, oppressed, & exploited. That is the reality. Everything else is hollow lip service. Legislators & police will never openly admit they want to keep it this way
and they won't even post his picture! They had no problem posting the victim's picture, but he gets a pass because he's part of the special "government class" club.
The title of this video is insane. It's not in dispute whether or not her life ended, unless the person who wrote this title is implying she's actually alive somewhere else and the person whose life ended is some kind of nonhuman clone.
he knows he screwed up thats why he wants immunity.speeding, running a stop sign and killing that poor woman. a citizen dosent get a "do over" or a "oops!! my bad"pass. be a man and face up.
Oh please there’s never been a cop or govt agent who been a man and accepted responsibility. They simply do not do that because they get away with everything in their corrupt, fraud system
America is a police state, different rules for overseers. Police in America are above the law. America makes special rules for plantation owners. Money determines your freedoms not the individual. America is a shithole of a country.
So he ran a stop sign which he committed an infraction and it resulted in the death of an innocent citizen? What is the difference who he was employed by? This is disgusting
Because police have qualified immunity. Is this your first time experiencing people being upset by that? Police officers are not individually liable for what they do while acting in the course of their job. This is why the police aren't afraid to violate your rights. If you sue and win then the money is paid by the taxpayers. They won't even lose their job for it.
If the appellate judge allows it to go Federal court, then that is exactly what all Feds under that appellate region will get ...a get out of jail free card.
@@jondoe406 Qualified Immunity is actually at its core a pretty sensible doctrine that you can't sue an official like a clerk for doing legitimate work that happens to negatively affect you, but it has been warped and twisted by our utterly corrupt court system into a special protection for any public official against any kind of damages in any situation regardless of the facts and responsibility. They don't need that much protection though
Immunity in this context is absolutely ridiculous because this isn’t just an accidental killing while properly executing duties. This was negligence while ignoring the law as if it doesn’t apply to him.
@maddog He understands it perfectly; it seems you don't. Sovereign citizens are against government and their laws. The agent works for and is looking for protection from the government and its laws to benefit himself.
u must be an expert on federal job descriptions. sorry u recently got a traffic ticket. Maybe u should have ur license revoked. Seems a bit much now doesn't it.
I’d like to know a bit more information about the incident. If it was critical to speed and run stop signs, why wasn’t he utilizing a siren or lights? Was this “fentanyl dealer” an immediate threat to the public? Did the agency know the “dealer’s” home of record? Had the rest of the team lost the “dealer’s” whereabouts? If the “dealer” was that much of a threat to the community, why was the dealer out free? Negligent homicide for sure. If I am operating a forklift and I drop a load on a customer or customer’s vehicle, I am responsible for those consequences even though I am acting in my work capacity.
That's pretty funny considering his being a federal agent has everything to do with it! He's not a mailman or a garbageman driving a route, he's a federal agent on duty doing surveillance and it's the entire reason he's on that street doing what he's doing.
@@EstherMoffett-d7hhe wasn’t using deadly force in the line of duty, he was running a stop sign to get to his other officers who where already following and surveilling the suspect. Had he been following a fleeing criminal and if he lost site of him the suspect could potentially escape then I could see the need for immunity but that is not the case.
In *any* situation qualified immunity should not exist. It's an excuse for "we screwed up and harmed someone and now we don't want to be held liable for our actions".
@TheCableStrain local governments are much more accountable. The mayor could be at a cook out, Lowe's, the grocery store, etc. but no one is bumping into Joe Biden at any of those places. Unless Joe got away from his handlers and wandered off of course.
if a police officer runs the stop sign with no lights and siren he is charged. this guy had no lights and siren and it wasn't even an emergency he was going to.
Not true. Sometimes officers also roll without lights and sirens. If they are actively conducting official business, they can also have a claim to qualified immunity. Not saying it's right, or even should be allowed, but your statement is categorically false.
@simsreject5925 whether operating emergency lights and sirens or not they are still obligated to make sure an intersection is clear before proceeding through it.
My sister in law was almost killed by a cop that ran a red light while off duty. It took almost seven years to settle the case because of this immunity crap. And no one paid for the new vehicle that was totaled and only a partial payment of medical bills. Government offices only pay the public for their actions when forced to by courts.
"Running the stop sign was NOT necessary to do his job as a DEA agent" - 100% correct. It was NOT like he was running code or chasing down a fleeing violent criminal. He should NOT have immunity of any kind. He was reckless in his actions and should be held accountable. It's 2024, they have radios for communication.
Ethics and police are mutually exclusive now. Nearly all who had a shred of decency got out after St Floyd of fentanyl. Those who hung on were either defunded or refused the shot. What's left are the ones media portrayed all cops as.
Police won't do their job if they can't have fun" - bootlicking Americans who were frothing at the mouth demanding the blood of people protesting the unjustified murder of George Floyd.
What you're not aware of is that the so-called government went private in 1933 and declared war on the American people. It has always been a corporation chartered in 1791 to manage foreign trade and protect individuals' property. What's more is the fact that the District of Columbia usurped the constitution that bound them when the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES was counterfeited in its place. The Bill of Rights attached to the original was also usurped in place of amendments that look and sound the same but have different definitions and interpretations of language. When one claims an amendment, one claims a privilege , not a right. For some reason, i can't seem to get this "verifiable " information into the thick indoctrinated minds of the masses.
He ran the stop sign WITHOUT LOOKING at the intersection to see if it was safe. He also didn't have his lights or siren going so the woman had NO, REPEAT, NO chance to avoid getting run over. This is Negligent Homicide, PERIOD, Immunity does NOT APPLY!
3:00 "Everyone can say now that that wasn't the right decision." You could use this line of reasoning to defend virtually any violation of the law. It should be embarrassing to be reduced to making such an inane argument but... it's the kind of thing that works these days.
The agents actions were NOT reasonable. He KILLED this woman. Full stop. As a first responder, our driving MUST be done with due regard. He belongs in prison. Period.
The fact that he wants to fight this shows you how much the government, federal agencies, and law enforcement in general value you as an American citizen.
trump said all cops will have immunity from everything nooo matter what they dooo. that destroys the constitution. makes trump a dictator. the law is what the police say it is. a crime is whatever the police say it is. your home means nothing. biden puppet is nooo better. while ya'll was busy gettinn off over there. on the transgenders, your country has been taken from you over here. congratts dumbbells you got what you deserve. lol
Remember the cop that killed a broken down motorist in Florida. He got life (I think) in prison. No cop car, no uniform, did not identify himself as a cop, and obvious no siren or lights.
The DEA is NOT breaking the Law - the Law was written to serve and protect the System, not the Citizen - that's why Courts and Lawyers are so prevalent in Society.
The existence of the DEA is a violation of the Constitution, as is the DOJ. Neither can be found in the Articles of the Constitution that formed the government, and by their very nature, they violate the Bill of Rights just by breathing air each day.
The UK provides a compelling example of how law enforcement can effectively function without a doctrine like qualified immunity. In the UK, police and other public officials are fully accountable under both civil and criminal law for their actions. This includes the possibility of private prosecutions, where individuals can initiate criminal proceedings, a mechanism not available in the U.S. This system promotes accountability and public trust, demonstrating that law enforcement officials can indeed perform their duties effectively without the need for broad legal protections such as qualified immunity. The absence of such immunity does not impede their ability to do their jobs but rather ensures that their powers are exercised responsibly.
At the absolute minimum, his inability to do both grossly underscores that he is NOT capable of the job. At the very least, he should never get a license or check from gov ever again.
@@violent_bebop9687 absolutely - it blows my mind that "immunity" is even a thing !! I have seen videos of truck drivers who had their brakes fail and caused a fatal crash get sent to jail. Here you got a "cop" who did NOT have an equipment failure, yet literally plowed a cyclist over to her death, is trying to use "immunity" to get out of his responsibility. If the cop can have "immunity", then why can't the truck driver who had equipment failure ?? It makes no sense. I guess we're all supposed to just believe the "cop" is a "special" person and they can't get sent to jail no matter what they do.
Ending qualified immunity would get the right people in the job.Our government can't afford the right people in the job with its current state of affairs... This sounds like a wonderful idea.
Police won't do their job if they can't have fun" - bootlicking Americans who were frothing at the mouth demanding the blood of people protesting the unjustified murder of George Floyd.
It’s always the same thing. A wife of an American federal against killed a young boy on his bike in Britain. She fled the country back to the U.S. and wasn’t held accountable due to her husbands federal immunity
Yes, he should be held accountable. The question is what is accountable? Prison? ... How long? We know it is an accident but was he reckless. I don't think he should be locked up for years and years but he does deserve time.
so, he fell behind "observing" a dealer??? i fail to see the urgency of his actions. such a minor threat level to his team for him to react in such a major way.
@@michaelangelo8001It should come out of their budget and they shouldn't get a budget increase to cover it. Money is the only thing they care about. Not human lives, only money. So if we hurt them in the money, maybe they'll stop killing us.
It's not society. It's the ones who are supposed to enforce, uphold, and have the power to do so that fail everyone. Aka the law enforcement and the "justice system"
They do it every day why should this be any different, its just part of the job, DEA, ATF ,FBI they dont have to abide by same rules they hold us to, they have immunity!!!!!!
@@jamesjackson9606 In the majority of cases where qualified immunity is relied upon to avoid imprisonment or civil damages the government employees are guilty of violations of law which the rest of us would be held accountable for. Either the laws apply equally to all, or the government loses the legal and moral authority to continue its existence.
So flip it around. What would happen if a civilian, say a frightened mom, was speeding her child to the ER, ran a stop sign, and collided with a bicycle officer, tragically killing them? Y'all reckon the law would say "well, she had an emergency so we won't hold her legally accountable"? Any wagers on how that one would play out?
This is a fantastic point. The woman in your scenario would be screwed. I also think rushing your child to the hospital is far more urgent and popular amongst citizens than the war on drugs.
You assumed an emergency. The only emergency in this case was after the DEA officer struck the bicyclist and not before. He created the emergency by ignoring traffic laws.
Under no circumstances is it reasonable for a person to drive a vehicle on public roadways while not being fully in control of the vehicle. Neither the cop nor the mom are doing their emergency any favors by getting into a collision along the way.
I agree its terrible and wish it never happened but this is a tricky case. not as clearcut simple as some make it out to be. Are cops allowed to speed and not stop at stop signs if they are chasing a suspect? then does an undercover fed working get basically the same rights a local or state cop would get from state? i think they do. lets say the Potus gets shot and secret service speeds off and blows off stop signs and kills a pedestrian en route to hospital. what happens in this case? i think unfortunately not much. terrible accident. BTW I cant stand FEDS and no longer trust them but thats a different argument. his boss needs to find out if he was really working and fell behind and why he fell behind and if he was unnecessarily negligent. If he was he should be punished by his boss.
@@CP-zk4qq incorrect you can get a ticket if you dont yield to emergency vehicle. you have no idea you see a clip. what if the guy he is chasing just kidnapped a 5 year old?????
@@danielmart7940 glad you can judge someone based off part of a situation. thats the problem nowadays. some armchair lawyer thinks they know what they are talking about when they see 1/4 of a situation
if he was on the job he has immunity... thats just how it works, this aint no game show where you pick guilty/innocent based on your feelers. Moreover, aint nobody getting jail for life for an accident like that. Matter of fact, chances are, someone like you or I might walk out with no jail time at all.
Yes, he was in a rush to catch up he might have missed a chance to beat on this guy and get his ID and had to get in on the glory of making an arrest!!!!!!!!!!
Think about this, if this DEA agent prevails, it's basically a green light for EVERY federal employee to ignore traffic laws and face zero consequences for whatever happens. That is a prescription for absolute chaos and lawlessness. I am amazed any judge would even countenance this case, it should be open and shut. The fact that this didn't immediately go to trial tells you how far gone our government is these days.
What's new? Had a cop pass me the other day on a posted 30mph residential street doing double the speed limit with no flashing lights... To top it off he completely ignored 2 little girls wearing scarlet red outfits clearly standing at a crosswalk...
You used the word "our." How about you keep that dirty disgusting ish to yourself? Better yet, you might lose the "my" part of it too, if you have a shred of decency about you.
Imagine Tommy age 3 is riding his big wheel across the street, this agent is arguing he can run him over , or shoot him because he has to “catch up with his buddies”. Who thinks like that? Sociopaths
DEA agent just randomly drives over an innocent citizen, while driving high speed and recklessly though a residential neighborhood? Why are they not being charged for murder at the state level, where the crime was committed?
No jury would ever find him guilty of murder, murder is a legal term which denotes intent. Everyone agrees he didn't purposely run this poor lady down...... They charged him with the correct crime.... But yes, he should stand trial in the state
You are are a little off on your definition. The charge of " murder" or homicide doesn't require intent to kill. You're thinking of first degree murder charges. Which requires you to show the killing was premeditated. Most states will have felony murder or negligent homicide laws. @@KF...
@@777biggs I live in Cali..... "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought...." (intent) So I guess it might depend on the state you are being charged in, and there legal definition of murder.... The bottom line here is obviously the prosecutor had no cause to believe that the killing was intentional.....
@@KF... Not intentional, but recklessness and negligence are applicable to murder charges. He ran a stop sign, we know running stop signs and speeding are against the law. His actions caused a death. Ignoring traffic law makes murder charges pretty easy to apply.
The attorney is arguing that there should be NO consequences for ANY action as long as the officers/agents “perceive” they are doing the right thing at the time? INSANITY!
where in the Constitution Article I Section 8 is Congress given the power to create the DEA or any policing power at all, or regulate drugs for that matter?
He was not in pursuit, he was not alone, and surveillance is not an emergency. When working undercover, law enforcement agencies are supposed to blend in, and running a stop sign is not blending in.
@@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy Red lights and stops signs are optional in chicago apparently since the govt shut the country down for no good reason… I mean the pandemic.
It’s called having a reactionary state. The police here aren’t to serve or help us, not unless they can use it for propaganda. They are here to protect private property and serve the ruling class. Period. When human beings demanded to be treated as such at work, who was called in to beat them? When Black people were tired of being treated as second class citizens, and peacefully protested that and many atrocities, who came in with violence to beat them into submission? When our students in college have ever protested against the multitude of unjust wars we have started, who has come to beat them, or worse, Kent State, and Jackson State? It’s not that we’ve gotten to a point. We’ve never left it.
@@chrismullin8304 Why your parents , did they write the immunity clause? Just way to many judicial loopholes. From thousands of court cases and varying determination of those cases. One state it might be vehicular manslaughter, another state running a stop signal/sign.
What if a truck broadsided the DEA agent's vehicle as the agent ran through the stop sign, and the agent was killed? Could there be a vehicular homocide claim against the the other driver because the agent ran the stop sign legally in the line of duty?
It is preposterous. He was only conducting surveillance. That’s not urgent or an emergency. And he wasn’t the only one conducting surveillance as was stated his team was ahead of him already conducting said surveillance.
Hen you will have no one enforcining the law. Qualified immunity is necessary but not in every case. You would collapse law enforcement without Qualified immunity ity.
@thefirststrike he was just speeding and running thru stop signs cuz he's entitled .. hes only using all that other stuff as an excuse to get immunity
Government employees need to be held to a higher level of scrutiny, NOT lesser. Our Constitution was written to limit the government, NOT give them free rein.
You realize as a procedural matter we are merely found out where to go to start this "scrutiny" process (The whole point of Jurisprudence on Removal Justification). What did you think happens after this?
There are cases that immunity is needed. But this one definitely needs to be tried. He did not need to be running stop signs. This was not an emergency and he wasn’t using lights and sirens
No, it should exist, but guardrails should be clear and given no leeway. Had he been in Pursuit of a fleeing felon(within eyesight) he would have in fact been on task. What he did was complete reckless disregard for public safety during a Routine surveillance assignment.
@@crxess how does chasing a suspected criminal excuse killing innocent civilians?, that is absurd, there was no emergency. you would feel differently if that was your mother or sister.
Finally someone who understands, now if we can explain to the rest of the country and make them underrstand its just a game where people live and die!!!!!!
@@kimmichaels899 Different case - the wonan shot was breaking and trying to enter a place of refuge for several US Reps and Senators. IDK why her mum got jailed though; I thought there was free speech in the US.
@kimmichaels899 The Babbitt worm is kind of like George Floyd, except George Floyd didn't break into the capitol in an attempt to cancel our democracy.
The defendants lawyer said the DEA agent made the decision based on the dangerousness of the fentanyl dealer. What about the dangerousness of the decision the DEA agent made that affected the victim and the public.
@@jameswest9261 Yes, defend the drug dealer. 🙄 You cop haters are all the same. You can call out the federal agent for the terrible choice he made without defending a drug dealer. Dealers are responsible for the deaths of hundreds, maybe more. Especially fentanyl dealers.
Totality of circumstances says , Because he is a paid, sovereign, government enforcer , and part of an occupying force , and believes that we are enemy combatants ,this woman is just collateral damage, so he did not violate policy
I mean, since he lives in the US, the chances of his house being made out of flammable buildings materials is VERY high. And I'm sure he doesn't get his mail while wearing a bulletproof vest, does he?
The old "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth" huh? It's getting to where that is about the only option left for victims of crime.( a " bullet proof vest" isn't stop even a medium powered rifle bullet; only pistol rounds. @@Nexalian_Gamer
@@johnchandler1687 It never left that place. Government system is only serving to protect the government. Any benefit for people is just a coincidence.
We are debating law enforcement, committing crimes legally under the color of law??? What in the actual fudge is going on in this country that we have fallen into such insanity.
We have been, actually. Ruby Ridge saw an infant and his mother shot by an FBI sniper in her own yard because her husband refused to become a mole on a backwoods militia. You ignored it, because right wing bad. We warned you when the ATF burnt down an entire complex in Waco with military weapons because a kooky cult leader offended one of his concubines and she claimed that the cult leader had illegal weapons. The entire cult was burned alive. You ignored it, because religion bad. We warned you when the CIA didn’t like the extremist rhetoric of an Islamic American, and so had the military vaporize him along with his American minor children in the deserts of Yemen without trial or charges. You ignored it, because men bad. It’s only know that the person being victimized is sympathetic to you that you care.
@@calebfielding6352 amazing how the media can make us accept any reality they want to, the american dream is dying, and they know they can snuff it out with brainwash and desensitization. its only beginning
Crazy how easily the media can control the masses with desensitization and by opening the masses mouths and speaking on their behalf. The dumber of our society are not smart enough to notice when they are being used. I fear this all began with juvenile thought, and trying to make the youngest generation the most influential one. Bad decision.
Yes, “Qualified Immunity” is nothing more than another Court Invention just like when the Supreme Court approved Obama’s illegal use of the, Executive Order of DACA.
You mean like the one who shot a woman on Jan. 6 for climbing through a window? Now that was straight up murder, but he was protected by the government. Or the FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge that shot the man's wife while she stood in her kitchen door holding her baby. Yeah, the MSM likes to forget about things like that, don't they?
If there was NO SUCH THING AS Qualified Immunity....THERE WOULD BE WAAAAAAY LESS cases of this. ACCOUNTABILITY serves a HUGE PURPOSE. Q.I. perpetuates bad behavior, there is NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
Some qualified immunity is a must. Every society has those. The only question is when does it end/start. I'd imagine we would fail as a society, if we cancel QI just because a law enforcement officer ran a stop sign without immunity, every cop would quit, or at least just stop enforcing the law, because he would be putting his life at risk just by carrying out duties. Cops would get sued 24/7 and they would be attending court hearings from every arrested individual, rather than doing their job
I'm a police officer of 23 years for a large police department and this is outrageous that the DEA is pulling this garbage. There were no exigent circumstances while doing surveillance that warrants him driving a normal vehicle in a careless and reckless manner. He needs to be tried in state court and justice served. What he was trying to do is just catch up to his buddies who were following him so he could be in on the fun. He was a cowboy who got too big for his britches thinking he was "the law" and rules don't apply to him. I've seen this mindset many times during my career.
How many times have we seen local deputies harassing Federal employees. There seems to be a very big double standard here. If it is not DEA, it seems to be ATF - and when I think of it, there are just too many people in uniform who forget who they work for.
"There was no emergency, and there was no hot pursuit"... that is irrelevant. As an emergency responder, Police, Fire, Medical, etc., you still have a duty and responsibility to not harm others in the performance of you job. This includes running red lights. You may only proceed with extreme caution as to not endanger others. This guy was100% guilty!
That’s completely wrong. Federal agents enjoy Farmar, robust immunity, protections, then state actors. See: “De Facto Federal Immunity: Why It’s Almost Impossible to Sue Federal Agents” -Institute for Justice
If it only applies during the event of a crime please explain how LEOs keep getting cleared after violating people's rights without the presence of a crime? It happens basically daily that a cop assaults a non criminal citizen and never face any consequences for it.
He was driving so fast & negligent that I thought the person driving the black truck was a criminal in this story. Looks like he works for the other side.
There was no Emergency there, they have radios, and they have cell phones. They can stay in communication, just because he fell behind doesn’t mean he can run over people trying to catch up, that DEA agent needs to be charged with vehicle or homicide he needs to go to prison.
It's NEVER "reasonable" to run a stop sign, traffic light unless you have COP LIGHTS ON WITH A SIREN and EVEN THEN you are STILL RESPONSIBLE if you don't slow down enough to avoid HITTING SOMEONE, PERIOD!
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Allegedly killed?
Ask her family if she's "allegedly" dead.
That’s what sucks about all of this. The news has very broad rights under the First Amendment, but saying the cop killed the victim could open them up to a defamation/libel lawsuit since it wasn’t officially declared by a court.
Let this serve as an example at how “The Ministry of Truth” manifests itself in American society, even when we have the First Amendment to fight against such suppressions of truth.
Yep if that was one of my family members he"d be 6 feet under already
That's just legal cover for the station, they have to say allegedly until he has been convicted in court for her death.
He was granted immunity via the State so it's likely the federal level will follow with that, there was no justified reason for him to run that stop sign and the fact he didn't see her means he wasn't paying attention to the road.
@@kdar93
You and me both. No question.
Surveillance IS NOT an emergency.
Nor is the war on drugs. We lost the war, the cartels are in control.
Its about murder not drugs.
The agents business and what he was doing, has ZERO to do with his negligence.
Catching up to other vehicles in a surveillance team does NOT constitute an emergency. Even when ANY LEO is going code they are still REQUIRED to practice due diligence.
The DEA agent needs to be prosecuted under State law but should be found guilty regardless. NO IMMUNITY for receckless driving, period.
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@@jeffk464 Democrat's open border not helping.
This agent needs to be held accountable for the death of this women, PERIOD.
agree
Getting sick and tired of all these federal oinkerisms.
Cops in the USA are criminals who get away with everything they want
*woman
None of them care.
As a nurse, I would like to stop paying for malpractice insurance and plead immunity if I make a mistake.
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Do nurses have qualified immunity like police?
I don't understand how "qualified immunity" applies to incompetence.
Because cops are soverign citizens.
Maybe because many of their employees are imcompet?
It should but time and again SCOTUS and the circuit courts have ruled it does whenever the facts of a case does _not_ match the preciseness of the facts of previous cases where the courts found the cop clearly broke his qualified immunity! 😠😡🤬👿
They might go over that at trial, but right now, we're at the procedural posture of simply figuring out which court to go to, and people have lost their GD minds over a normal court process. It makes me wonder if we should just make a law saying. If you don't have at least more than a bachelor's degree, then you can't see any court proceedings other than the main one. People forget not being educated comes with a cost.
Qualified Immunity is literally a cop-out constructed by SCOTUS. It needs to be either explicitly eliminated entirely or VERY narrowly defined to eliminate baseless complaints against public officials.
DEA agent killed a innocent person without having a real emergency he should be charged with the criminal charged.
apparently he thinks he should be able to get away with what he did rather than be a man and face the consequences for his clear lack of judgement and common sense.
No he shouldn't, she was probably involved in criminal activity
@@ColonelMetusso if they kill you its automatically your fault?
god youre a simple minded one huh?
Unless & until law enforcement is held to the same standard as we are, these negligent ki//ings will just keep on
Unfortunately, the rich & powerful who created the laws & the police policies that allow this are going to keep it that way. All we are to them is a mob that must be controlled, oppressed, & exploited. That is the reality. Everything else is hollow lip service. Legislators & police will never openly admit they want to keep it this way
@@Winston-lf7sbyou realize it was a joke, right?
He killed a woman there must be no immunity. Running a stop sign is not part of his job. He must be charged for his crime.
btw, USA is pressuring Mexico to take those agent into our country.... keep them! they're yours! they're only trouble
The protected class (e.g. Jeffrey Epstein, Anthony Fauci) always think they are above the law.
and they won't even post his picture!
They had no problem posting the victim's picture, but he gets a pass because he's part of the special "government class" club.
@@randalthor6872 That's because he's a federal officer. A DEA, CIA, ATF agent's picture will not be shown. I loathe these 3 letter agencies.
Reckless/careless driving, no matter what his job is !
Kills someone while running a stop sign yet thinks he did nothing wrong and wants immunity. Disgusting.
Welcome to the world of wypipo!
@@RobertChandler-g2dhuh?
Her life means NOTHING to them!
Her life is actually a burden to them because now they have to deal with it.
NONE of our lives me anything to ANY of them. We are tax slaves to be traded as cattle.
None of our lives mean anything to these government alphabet agencies.
The system does not gaf about no one
You think that the federal government cares about the individual American? They do not… if you believe they do you are delusional.
He killed her with his car... He should be on trial like the rest of us
Not really depends on where she was
That’s just what I posted
@@milesdyson5211 he was reckless driving. He and you would go to jail. Federal agents should not be immune
Don’t you know that feds are above the law?
The title of this video is insane. It's not in dispute whether or not her life ended, unless the person who wrote this title is implying she's actually alive somewhere else and the person whose life ended is some kind of nonhuman clone.
he knows he screwed up thats why he wants immunity.speeding, running a stop sign and killing that poor woman. a citizen dosent get a "do over" or a "oops!! my bad"pass. be a man and face up.
agree
Oh please there’s never been a cop or govt agent who been a man and accepted responsibility. They simply do not do that because they get away with everything in their corrupt, fraud system
This is complete negligence on his part. Must be held accountable.
sounds like he wants to live in a TRUMP world. idiots get immunity to laws they cannot understand.
America is a police state, different rules for overseers. Police in America are above the law. America makes special rules for plantation owners. Money determines your freedoms not the individual. America is a shithole of a country.
So he ran a stop sign which he committed an infraction and it resulted in the death of an innocent citizen? What is the difference who he was employed by? This is disgusting
Cops do it all the time. They turn on their lights but not their sirens to run a red light. If they hit you, it’s qualified immunity!
Because police have qualified immunity. Is this your first time experiencing people being upset by that? Police officers are not individually liable for what they do while acting in the course of their job. This is why the police aren't afraid to violate your rights. If you sue and win then the money is paid by the taxpayers. They won't even lose their job for it.
Being a Fed isn't a get out of jail free card. This agent was clearly negligent & should be held to account.
Qualified Immunity is LITERALLY a get out of jail free card for police.
If the appellate judge allows it to go Federal court, then that is exactly what all Feds under that appellate region will get ...a get out of jail free card.
@@jondoe406unfortunately you’re exactly right.
Being on duty shouldn't mean the agent can commit negligent homicide. This is a state crime.
@@jondoe406 Qualified Immunity is actually at its core a pretty sensible doctrine that you can't sue an official like a clerk for doing legitimate work that happens to negatively affect you, but it has been warped and twisted by our utterly corrupt court system into a special protection for any public official against any kind of damages in any situation regardless of the facts and responsibility.
They don't need that much protection though
Immunity in this context is absolutely ridiculous because this isn’t just an accidental killing while properly executing duties. This was negligence while ignoring the law as if it doesn’t apply to him.
@@mb9662You must have been raped in jail.
@@mb9662 yes they do. They aren’t “sovereign citizens”, he is federal employee.
You’ve said it best ⭐️ “ . . . negligence while ignoring the law as if it doesn’t apply to him”
@@WillowEtainyou clearly dont know the definition of that term
@maddog He understands it perfectly; it seems you don't. Sovereign citizens are against government and their laws. The agent works for and is looking for protection from the government and its laws to benefit himself.
Did he not have a radio to contact his team? Running a stop sign is not part of the job description. He needs to be held accountable.
Actually he gets paid by taxpayers so he can commit crimes without accountability
u must be an expert on federal job descriptions. sorry u recently got a traffic ticket. Maybe u should have ur license revoked. Seems a bit much now doesn't it.
I’d like to know a bit more information about the incident. If it was critical to speed and run stop signs, why wasn’t he utilizing a siren or lights? Was this “fentanyl dealer” an immediate threat to the public? Did the agency know the “dealer’s” home of record? Had the rest of the team lost the “dealer’s” whereabouts? If the “dealer” was that much of a threat to the community, why was the dealer out free? Negligent homicide for sure. If I am operating a forklift and I drop a load on a customer or customer’s vehicle, I am responsible for those consequences even though I am acting in my work capacity.
I wonder how man surveillance vehicles were following the suspect and how close were they?
@@thomassaldana823 For all we know, it is all a lie. Plausible deniability. Who was this dealer, and was he apprehended and prosecuted?
This is disgusting ! He murdered that lady....He should be running to a jail cell !
His being a federal agent should have nothing to do with it!
That's pretty funny considering his being a federal agent has everything to do with it! He's not a mailman or a garbageman driving a route, he's a federal agent on duty doing surveillance and it's the entire reason he's on that street doing what he's doing.
@@crepitus3552surveillance isn’t an emergency.
You are nothing but a pathetic boot licker
@@crepitus3552 so you think it's ok then what he did kill someone a daughter a wife a mother
@@chriscorry3852I never said anything of the sort. I said his being an agent on duty doing his job is not irrelevant.
Lots of people in prison because of a "mistake in judgement".He should be just as accountable as anybody else
Preach
Everybody else doesn't have a job that requires them to use deadly force as part of the job description.
@@EstherMoffett-d7hhe wasn’t using deadly force in the line of duty, he was running a stop sign to get to his other officers who where already following and surveilling the suspect. Had he been following a fleeing criminal and if he lost site of him the suspect could potentially escape then I could see the need for immunity but that is not the case.
@chrisbenefield9963 The operation of a motor vehicle is the use of a deadly weapon in the line of duty.
@@chrisbenefield9963 If he had lost sight of a fleeing criminal, then his responsibility is to cease pursuit.
in situations like this, immunity from any prosecution should not exist
What is the dea agents description
In *any* situation qualified immunity should not exist. It's an excuse for "we screwed up and harmed someone and now we don't want to be held liable for our actions".
@@SalSanchez-dy6cn Cops won't do their job if they're held accountable for their crimes
In any situation cops and federal
Agents should not have immunity.
But he is DEA or ATF or FBI they get to do what ever they want no repercussion!!!!!!!!!
The lengths they go to in order to avoid responsibility is astounding....
Only a sociopath would not take accountability for killing someone.
Three of my family members died of covid in early 2020, while Trump was calling it a "hoax". Republicans are sociopaths.
I'm pretty sure nobody wants to go to prison, unless you are a sociopath.
@@EstherMoffett-d7htouché
Both Hollywood and Washington D.C. are cesspools of high functioning sociopaths.
Katlin Jenner? Michael Byrd?
Nobody should get immunity for ignoring public safety like that.
They only care about officer safety. They aren't here to protect anyone other than themselves, per the Supreme Court.
Absolutely, if you or I blew a stop sign and killed someone we'd be in jail... his line of work has nothing to do with it.
Even fire trucks slow down for intersections. Can't get to a fire if you wreck the truck.
Post pandemic America
He is federal officer ATF I think, public has nothing to do with it, in their minds!!!!!!!!!!
So if you are a federal agent, you are allowed to be criminally negligent? That is messed up.
The feds did let an fbi agent get away with murdering a mother holding a child, so that tracks
Not just federal. Any cop at any level is protected from their own negligence.
@@hipp0stratusyep. They get away with grape and burder all the time.
We have a multi-tiered Justice system in this country.
It's the trump doctrine.
Disgusting how they consistently put police failures above innocent life.
Rinse and repeat
This is the problem with these federal agencies. They are never held accountable for their actions.
Federal, State, Local...none are really held accountable with any consistency.
@TheCableStrain local governments are much more accountable. The mayor could be at a cook out, Lowe's, the grocery store, etc. but no one is bumping into Joe Biden at any of those places. Unless Joe got away from his handlers and wandered off of course.
That`s because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
We get the government we deserve. Stop voting for reps who don’t take police reform serious.
@@emilioaymat5651tends to corrupt* is the saying
Hes a coward. He belongs behind bars...
And a murderer
Have some respect he is a federal law enforcement officer he doesn't answer to local or state authority!!!
@@WalterKing-f2hhe doesn’t deserve any respect boot licker
@@WalterKing-f2h Bot LOGGED. Your name is now on the dark web!
@@WalterKing-f2hstill waving that blue line flag.😄
if a police officer runs the stop sign with no lights and siren he is charged. this guy had no lights and siren and it wasn't even an emergency he was going to.
He gave no warning. Sirens and lights are exactly for that purpose.
Exactly!
Not true. Sometimes officers also roll without lights and sirens. If they are actively conducting official business, they can also have a claim to qualified immunity.
Not saying it's right, or even should be allowed, but your statement is categorically false.
@simsreject5925 whether operating emergency lights and sirens or not they are still obligated to make sure an intersection is clear before proceeding through it.
My sister in law was almost killed by a cop that ran a red light while off duty. It took almost seven years to settle the case because of this immunity crap. And no one paid for the new vehicle that was totaled and only a partial payment of medical bills. Government offices only pay the public for their actions when forced to by courts.
"Running the stop sign was NOT necessary to do his job as a DEA agent" - 100% correct. It was NOT like he was running code or chasing down a fleeing violent criminal.
He should NOT have immunity of any kind. He was reckless in his actions and should be held accountable.
It's 2024, they have radios for communication.
To even seek immunity is unethical.
Ethics and police are mutually exclusive now. Nearly all who had a shred of decency got out after St Floyd of fentanyl. Those who hung on were either defunded or refused the shot. What's left are the ones media portrayed all cops as.
Police won't do their job if they can't have fun" - bootlicking Americans who were frothing at the mouth demanding the blood of people protesting the unjustified murder of George Floyd.
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Is disgusting, the lack of empathy, and dissecting the law to minimize, the murder of this lady🤮
Exactly
There is NO accountability in government anymore. Absolutely disgusting.
Never has been.
Anymore? Depending on what state... Looks like he got a free ride. He should be fired and charged for murder.
No accountability would mean not meeting in court which clearly they are.
Sure looks that way!
What you're not aware of is that the so-called government went private in 1933 and declared war on the American people. It has always been a corporation chartered in 1791 to manage foreign trade and protect individuals' property. What's more is the fact that the District of Columbia usurped the constitution that bound them when the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES was counterfeited in its place. The Bill of Rights attached to the original was also usurped in place of amendments that look and sound the same but have different definitions and interpretations of language. When one claims an amendment, one claims a privilege , not a right. For some reason, i can't seem to get this "verifiable " information into the thick indoctrinated minds of the masses.
He acted in a reckless manner. That behavior should negate any immunity from prosecution.
Somehow "I was in a rush" doesn't work nearly as well as a defense for the rest of us when we get pulled over.
He ran the stop sign WITHOUT LOOKING at the intersection to see if it was safe. He also didn't have his lights or siren going so the woman had NO, REPEAT, NO chance to avoid getting run over. This is Negligent Homicide, PERIOD, Immunity does NOT APPLY!
I guess the “lights and siren” are state requirements. But no one is going to use “lights and sirens” on a surveillance. He was simply negligent!
Depends on his training, maybe this is normal
Im not sure about that
Shhh, you weren’t supposed to notice that.
Exactly. He would not be immune if he accidentally shot his commanding officer, so why is her life more expendable?
We need to end qualified immunity. Landis need to go to jail for this.
Yes, for real
Police safety #1. If we don't keep thin blue line, bad guys win. Keep that in mind people
This is wrong for this case. Ending qualified immunity lets the criminals win
The cops are the criminals. Wake up.@@hcwcars1
@@hcwcars1 No, it lets tyranny continue.
And you wonder why we don't trust government.
Basically if they win the case, then every action by law enforcement can be explained away as “I was performing official duties”
Exactly!!!
@@fireboltaz Like shooting a unarmed female protester on J6 right?
And when a former president, and candidate, Trump is doing the exact same stunts, tenfold.
@@3lullabies bro. Who’s talking about Trump?
3:00 "Everyone can say now that that wasn't the right decision."
You could use this line of reasoning to defend virtually any violation of the law. It should be embarrassing to be reduced to making such an inane argument but... it's the kind of thing that works these days.
The agents actions were NOT reasonable. He KILLED this woman. Full stop. As a first responder, our driving MUST be done with due regard. He belongs in prison. Period.
Agree and good to hear from you
no one claims his actions were reasonable. The argument is just which court the case should be in.
"Full stop"
...no pun intended?
Our…🤣🤣🤣
@@rajpat89That is the full argument.. was he on emergency duty or a horrible person
The fact that he wants to fight this shows you how much the government, federal agencies, and law enforcement in general value you as an American citizen.
Truth 👏🏽
I have more than enough other examples that proved that to me a long time ago.
I dont value them at all they are phycopaths
Well, wasnt his fault she decided to cross when the light was red!!!!!!!!!!!
THATS MURDER...THIS Qualified IMMUNITY CRAP HAS TO END
Did you not listen? This isn't about qualified immunity.
It is a jurisdiction question.
No he wants to claim federal Immunity which makes him even more despicable @@darkstorminc
trump said all cops will have immunity from everything nooo matter what they dooo. that destroys the constitution. makes trump a dictator. the law is what the police say it is. a crime is whatever the police say it is. your home means nothing. biden puppet is nooo better. while ya'll was busy gettinn off over there. on the transgenders, your country has been taken from you over here. congratts dumbbells you got what you deserve. lol
Gross negligence doesn't qualify for immunity.
The only reason this is happening is because one man can't take responcibity for his cowardly action
Even as an Agent he has the responsibility of operating safely while doing his job. He FAILED.
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Accidents sometimes happen that aren’t anyone’s fault. You don’t know the specific circumstances of the accident.
Yes we do he ran a stop sign and killed someone during a non emergency @TBrl8
Thats common with feds
@@TBrl8 If you ran a stop sign that is intentional and not an accident.
No emergency lights? No emergency siren? Just a regular truck... Nah, this guy deserves some jail time.
Remember the cop that killed a broken down motorist in Florida. He got life (I think) in prison. No cop car, no uniform, did not identify himself as a cop, and obvious no siren or lights.
This DEA needs to be in 20 years in prison for breaking the law
The DEA is NOT breaking the Law - the Law was written to serve and protect the System, not the Citizen - that's why Courts and Lawyers are so prevalent in Society.
@the_lost_navigator F'd up...but a correct assessment
The existence of the DEA is a violation of the Constitution, as is the DOJ. Neither can be found in the Articles of the Constitution that formed the government, and by their very nature, they violate the Bill of Rights just by breathing air each day.
Why are you even commenting, you are not even intelligent enough to put a sentence together properly.
Are you able to make a proper sentence ? Seems as though you are not. Please go back to the 6th grade, thanks.
The UK provides a compelling example of how law enforcement can effectively function without a doctrine like qualified immunity. In the UK, police and other public officials are fully accountable under both civil and criminal law for their actions. This includes the possibility of private prosecutions, where individuals can initiate criminal proceedings, a mechanism not available in the U.S. This system promotes accountability and public trust, demonstrating that law enforcement officials can indeed perform their duties effectively without the need for broad legal protections such as qualified immunity. The absence of such immunity does not impede their ability to do their jobs but rather ensures that their powers are exercised responsibly.
How does he deserve immunity. She had nothing to do with the investigation, she also had the reasonable expectation of road rules and laws.
At the absolute minimum, his inability to do both grossly underscores that he is NOT capable of the job. At the very least, he should never get a license or check from gov ever again.
End immunity be responsible for your actions!..
agree
Immunity must end.
@@violent_bebop9687 absolutely - it blows my mind that "immunity" is even a thing !! I have seen videos of truck drivers who had their brakes fail and caused a fatal crash get sent to jail. Here you got a "cop" who did NOT have an equipment failure, yet literally plowed a cyclist over to her death, is trying to use "immunity" to get out of his responsibility. If the cop can have "immunity", then why can't the truck driver who had equipment failure ?? It makes no sense. I guess we're all supposed to just believe the "cop" is a "special" person and they can't get sent to jail no matter what they do.
Ending qualified immunity would get the right people in the job.Our government can't afford the right people in the job with its current state of affairs... This sounds like a wonderful idea.
Trump wants to make immunity permanent
he killed somone and should be held accountable. period
"If we hold the police accountable, they won't do their 'job'" - bootlicking cons
"If we hold the police accountable, they won't do their 'job'" - bootlicking cons
Police won't do their job if they can't have fun" - bootlicking Americans who were frothing at the mouth demanding the blood of people protesting the unjustified murder of George Floyd.
It’s always the same thing. A wife of an American federal against killed a young boy on his bike in Britain. She fled the country back to the U.S. and wasn’t held accountable due to her husbands federal immunity
Yes, he should be held accountable. The question is what is accountable? Prison? ... How long? We know it is an accident but was he reckless. I don't think he should be locked up for years and years but he does deserve time.
so, he fell behind "observing" a dealer??? i fail to see the urgency of his actions.
such a minor threat level to his team for him to react in such a major way.
The dead woman's family should be able to sue the DEA agent and the DEA for wrongful death.
And if they win, the taxpayers, not he, will have to pay the suit. How is that fair to anyone involved..?
@@michaelangelo8001tax payers also pay their salary and pension. It's a vicious cycle.
@@michaelangelo8001It should come out of their budget and they shouldn't get a budget increase to cover it. Money is the only thing they care about. Not human lives, only money. So if we hurt them in the money, maybe they'll stop killing us.
@@michaelangelo8001
Wrong! You need more education as to how tax money is processed. Typical Bootlicker response btw
They can. They can sue him in civil court. Just like the Goldman's did to OJ.
the fact that our society even tolerates the fact that claiming qualified immunity is possible in situations like this is absolutely absurd
It's not society. It's the ones who are supposed to enforce, uphold, and have the power to do so that fail everyone. Aka the law enforcement and the "justice system"
You can thank the "back the blue" crowd (that is, people and politicians who are pro-cop) for the situation we're in.
@@JonathanLedbetterhe is a federal law enforcement officer little boy he does not answer to local or state authority have some respect!!!
@@WalterKing-f2h Law enforcement deserves zero respect, and neither do you, Walter.
@JonathanLedbetter this isn't qualified immunity it's federal immunity. It's an entirely different thing.
Yup he killed her point blank. No lights, no siren no emergency. He needs to be held accountable.
Imagine wanting 'immunity' after killing someone.
@@rob-robi imagine them always getting it!! both are crazy. You are right.
So these federal agents think they can kill anybody and get away with it. Truly despicable. All LEO's need to be held accountable.
They do it every day why should this be any different, its just part of the job, DEA, ATF ,FBI they dont have to abide by same rules they hold us to, they have immunity!!!!!!
You don't need immunity if you are innocent.
Well, any jury would find the DEA agent guilty of either homicide in the second degree or vehicular homicide.
Jury trials are unpredictable. Why risk it if you could have immunity instead
But he isn't innocent.
Not true. Lot of situations where qualified immunity makes sense but it’s oftentimes being abused and used to protect bad policing
@@jamesjackson9606 In the majority of cases where qualified immunity is relied upon to avoid imprisonment or civil damages the government employees are guilty of violations of law which the rest of us would be held accountable for.
Either the laws apply equally to all, or the government loses the legal and moral authority to continue its existence.
So flip it around. What would happen if a civilian, say a frightened mom, was speeding her child to the ER, ran a stop sign, and collided with a bicycle officer, tragically killing them? Y'all reckon the law would say "well, she had an emergency so we won't hold her legally accountable"? Any wagers on how that one would play out?
This is a fantastic point. The woman in your scenario would be screwed. I also think rushing your child to the hospital is far more urgent and popular amongst citizens than the war on drugs.
They may not get jail time though.
You assumed an emergency. The only emergency in this case was after the DEA officer struck the bicyclist and not before. He created the emergency by ignoring traffic laws.
Mom would never see the light of day.
Under no circumstances is it reasonable for a person to drive a vehicle on public roadways while not being fully in control of the vehicle. Neither the cop nor the mom are doing their emergency any favors by getting into a collision along the way.
This DEA agent deserves to be charged!!!!! No immunity!
Why would he get immunity?That makes absolutely no sense, that's insane.How could he even think that argument could work.
So they can commit a crime to allegedly stop a crime!?
Only in America!!
The only difference between criminals and three letter agency drones, is a badge.
What happens in other countries if it's "Only in America"
A so called crime at that!
that's how it is in any country that isn't run by criminals.
@@Legally_its_a_joke you're a big fan of movies aren't you.
He committed an infraction of state law, the trial should be held in state court.
Immunity does not negate reckless homicide. Never has, never will
I agree its terrible and wish it never happened but this is a tricky case. not as clearcut simple as some make it out to be. Are cops allowed to speed and not stop at stop signs if they are chasing a suspect? then does an undercover fed working get basically the same rights a local or state cop would get from state? i think they do. lets say the Potus gets shot and secret service speeds off and blows off stop signs and kills a pedestrian en route to hospital. what happens in this case? i think unfortunately not much. terrible accident. BTW I cant stand FEDS and no longer trust them but thats a different argument. his boss needs to find out if he was really working and fell behind and why he fell behind and if he was unnecessarily negligent. If he was he should be punished by his boss.
@@CP-zk4qq incorrect you can get a ticket if you dont yield to emergency vehicle. you have no idea you see a clip. what if the guy he is chasing just kidnapped a 5 year old?????
@@danielmart7940 glad you can judge someone based off part of a situation. thats the problem nowadays. some armchair lawyer thinks they know what they are talking about when they see 1/4 of a situation
@@CP-zk4qq if an ambulance hits someone on a bike are they charged with homicide? Doubtful
No way dude killed somebody and is trying to say he’s got imunity like it’s a game show. Throw that dude in jail for life.
Criminal negligence
Life isn’t anywhere near a possibility here.
And #45
if he was on the job he has immunity... thats just how it works, this aint no game show where you pick guilty/innocent based on your feelers.
Moreover, aint nobody getting jail for life for an accident like that. Matter of fact, chances are, someone like you or I might walk out with no jail time at all.
@@artyomarty391you running a stop sign and killing someone is gonna land you in prison. Even as a DEA agent his lawyers are fighting for his freedom
HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER AND WHY THE POLICE FORCE IS FULL OF PSYCHOPATHS.
Yes, he was in a rush to catch up he might have missed a chance to beat on this guy and get his ID and had to get in on the glory of making an arrest!!!!!!!!!!
Think about this, if this DEA agent prevails, it's basically a green light for EVERY federal employee to ignore traffic laws and face zero consequences for whatever happens. That is a prescription for absolute chaos and lawlessness. I am amazed any judge would even countenance this case, it should be open and shut. The fact that this didn't immediately go to trial tells you how far gone our government is these days.
What's new? Had a cop pass me the other day on a posted 30mph residential street doing double the speed limit with no flashing lights... To top it off he completely ignored 2 little girls wearing scarlet red outfits clearly standing at a crosswalk...
You used the word "our." How about you keep that dirty disgusting ish to yourself? Better yet, you might lose the "my" part of it too, if you have a shred of decency about you.
Imagine Tommy age 3 is riding his big wheel across the street, this agent is arguing he can run him over , or shoot him because he has to “catch up with his buddies”. Who thinks like that? Sociopaths
@@davepirtle9790You spelled "statists" wrong. Very serious, on every level all levels there ever were in all the levels' entirety.
DEA agent just randomly drives over an innocent citizen, while driving high speed and recklessly though a residential neighborhood?
Why are they not being charged for murder at the state level, where the crime was committed?
No jury would ever find him guilty of murder, murder is a legal term which denotes intent. Everyone agrees he didn't purposely run this poor lady down...... They charged him with the correct crime....
But yes, he should stand trial in the state
my point exactly! he thinks hes mark meadow lol
You are are a little off on your definition. The charge of " murder" or homicide doesn't require intent to kill. You're thinking of first degree murder charges. Which requires you to show the killing was premeditated. Most states will have felony murder or negligent homicide laws. @@KF...
@@777biggs
I live in Cali.....
"Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought...." (intent)
So I guess it might depend on the state you are being charged in, and there legal definition of murder....
The bottom line here is obviously the prosecutor had no cause to believe that the killing was intentional.....
@@KF... Not intentional, but recklessness and negligence are applicable to murder charges. He ran a stop sign, we know running stop signs and speeding are against the law. His actions caused a death. Ignoring traffic law makes murder charges pretty easy to apply.
The two tier justice will end violently one day.
Not by you.
YOU NEED TO STOP RESISTING SIR!! STOP RESISTING!!!!!!
@tjewett1967 Over your ___ body or something, right?
@tjewett1967 oh you sound big too there keyboard 🤣
Yes when Jesus returns to reign. 🙏✝️
The attorney is arguing that there should be NO consequences for ANY action as long as the officers/agents “perceive” they are doing the right thing at the time? INSANITY!
The family of that poor woman needs to also sue the DEA agent himself so that he can show full responsibility by paying through HIS wallet, too!
Cops wont do their "job" if they're held accountable.
I agree but even if so it'll be through our tax paying wallets instead..
where in the Constitution Article I Section 8 is Congress given the power to create the DEA or any policing power at all, or regulate drugs for that matter?
De facto absolute immunity. It’s next to impossible to do so.
Absolutely...there is always a civil component of something like this that can be pursued.
He was not in pursuit, he was not alone, and surveillance is not an emergency. When working undercover, law enforcement agencies are supposed to blend in, and running a stop sign is not blending in.
Depends where you live.
@@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
Red lights and stops signs are optional in chicago apparently since the govt shut the country down for no good reason… I mean the pandemic.
Him and his thugs made up the whole story about being "on duty" after he was caught.
Where's the body/vehicle cam
How did we get to the point as a society where we allow irresponsible state agents immunity from crimes?
Lack of intelligence and cowardice.
Been here for a long time. You can thank my parents.
It’s called having a reactionary state. The police here aren’t to serve or help us, not unless they can use it for propaganda. They are here to protect private property and serve the ruling class. Period. When human beings demanded to be treated as such at work, who was called in to beat them? When Black people were tired of being treated as second class citizens, and peacefully protested that and many atrocities, who came in with violence to beat them into submission? When our students in college have ever protested against the multitude of unjust wars we have started, who has come to beat them, or worse, Kent State, and Jackson State? It’s not that we’ve gotten to a point. We’ve never left it.
@@chrismullin8304 Why your parents , did they write the immunity clause? Just way to many judicial loopholes. From thousands of court cases and varying determination of those cases. One state it might be vehicular manslaughter, another state running a stop signal/sign.
When prosecutors stop prosecuting criminals that they're friends with, or at minimum "friendly" with.
What if a truck broadsided the DEA agent's vehicle as the agent ran through the stop sign, and the agent was killed? Could there be a vehicular homocide claim against the the other driver because the agent ran the stop sign legally in the line of duty?
On its face, the concept of qualified immunity for this person is preposterous.
Qualified immunity for law enforcement period is preposterous
It’s always preposterous!✌️
It is preposterous. He was only conducting surveillance. That’s not urgent or an emergency. And he wasn’t the only one conducting surveillance as was stated his team was ahead of him already conducting said surveillance.
For anyone it’s preposterous
Hen you will have no one enforcining the law. Qualified immunity is necessary but not in every case. You would collapse law enforcement without Qualified immunity ity.
No immunity. That's criminal negligence. He easily could have coordinated to meet back up with the detail at a different location.
He was afraid he would miss out on the "fun".
@thefirststrike he was just speeding and running thru stop signs cuz he's entitled .. hes only using all that other stuff as an excuse to get immunity
We are WAY beyond mere "negligence" here.
He might have missed out on the arrest!!!!
Government employees need to be held to a higher level of scrutiny, NOT lesser. Our Constitution was written to limit the government, NOT give them free rein.
You realize as a procedural matter we are merely found out where to go to start this "scrutiny" process (The whole point of Jurisprudence on Removal Justification). What did you think happens after this?
Police are above the constitution
Police won't do their job if they can't have fun
Police won't do their job if they can't have fun. Remember how upset they got when we held the pig accountable for George Floyd's murder?
Try to explain that to anyone in law enforcement!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Luck
He got to be held accountable for his actions, no one is above reproach.
End qualified immunity ASAP!
There are cases that immunity is needed. But this one definitely needs to be tried. He did not need to be running stop signs. This was not an emergency and he wasn’t using lights and sirens
Second amendment is how it’s done. It’s the people’s duty to hold them accountable because a corrupt system isn’t going to do it.
Good luck calling the police then
@@HillbillyHippie530could I hear an example of when it’s needed?
@@Brandon-vg8zr why when your more likely to be unalived by them you npc clown
This qualified immunity must go. Absolutely disgusting loophole for murder.
Murder is intentional
No, it should exist, but guardrails should be clear and given no leeway.
Had he been in Pursuit of a fleeing felon(within eyesight) he would have in fact been on task.
What he did was complete reckless disregard for public safety during a Routine surveillance assignment.
@@danielmartin7838 False. What law school did you go to? Get a refund.
@@crxess how does chasing a suspected criminal excuse killing innocent civilians?, that is absurd, there was no emergency. you would feel differently if that was your mother or sister.
@@crxess qualified immunity is an abomination. The only people who believe it is good are government workers and 👢 👅 's
Why would you give this guy immunity for killing somebody?
BlueLine gang
Because we live in a post-constitutional police state where government agents can murder citizens and get away with it
Hunger games !
@@DebbieOnTheSpotscrew that blue line.
Badge.
They are playing cops and robbers in our neighborhoods, they think all us civilians are just collateral damage to their game.
Finally someone who understands, now if we can explain to the rest of the country and make them underrstand its just a game where people live and die!!!!!!
PRISON FOR MURDER NO IMMUNITY, THATS TOTAL BULL,,
J6 a copshot a woman and the mother was jailed for speaking out!!???
No one's going to give any Credence to what you shout if you don't even know what the correct term or definition is of the word you're shouting.
@@kimmichaels899 Different case - the wonan shot was breaking and trying to enter a place of refuge for several US Reps and Senators. IDK why her mum got jailed though; I thought there was free speech in the US.
Cops won't do their job if they can't have fun.
@kimmichaels899 The Babbitt worm is kind of like George Floyd, except George Floyd didn't break into the capitol in an attempt to cancel our democracy.
He needs to go to prison!
The defendants lawyer said the DEA agent made the decision based on the dangerousness of the fentanyl dealer. What about the dangerousness of the decision the DEA agent made that affected the victim and the public.
What a country, calls itself the land of the free, but someone having the freedom of choice is worse than murdering women.
SUSPECTED fentanyl dealer.
Yeah obviously this dude was a lot more dangerous than the dealer
@@jameswest9261 Yes, defend the drug dealer. 🙄 You cop haters are all the same. You can call out the federal agent for the terrible choice he made without defending a drug dealer. Dealers are responsible for the deaths of hundreds, maybe more. Especially fentanyl dealers.
Forget the fact that government brings the drigs in anyway. What a joke.
Totality of circumstances says , Because he is a paid, sovereign, government enforcer , and part of an occupying force , and believes that we are enemy combatants ,this woman is just collateral damage, so he did not violate policy
People: You killed her!
DEA: lol so? What you gonna do about it?
I mean, since he lives in the US, the chances of his house being made out of flammable buildings materials is VERY high. And I'm sure he doesn't get his mail while wearing a bulletproof vest, does he?
The old "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth" huh? It's getting to where that is about the only option left for victims of crime.( a " bullet proof vest" isn't stop even a medium powered rifle bullet; only pistol rounds. @@Nexalian_Gamer
**karma has entered the chat**
@@johnchandler1687 It never left that place. Government system is only serving to protect the government. Any benefit for people is just a coincidence.
Lol
Remember: it’s not red vs. blue, it’s the State vs. You!
I wish this comment was pinned to the top.
A little off topic but: To learn who rules over you, find out who you can't criticize. Many gov't servants are trained in Israel.
Except for when Trump tries the same strategy. I don't see as much of that on the Left.
@@scottyb7979silence fed
Keep telling people this!!!!
End qualified immunity!!!
I didn’t know we had immunity??
You mean, federal agents are just giving immunity ??
But we don’t give it to the President of the United States
He knew that running a stop sign posed a risk for hitting a person or vehicle.
We are debating law enforcement, committing crimes legally under the color of law???
What in the actual fudge is going on in this country that we have fallen into such insanity.
We have been, actually. Ruby Ridge saw an infant and his mother shot by an FBI sniper in her own yard because her husband refused to become a mole on a backwoods militia. You ignored it, because right wing bad.
We warned you when the ATF burnt down an entire complex in Waco with military weapons because a kooky cult leader offended one of his concubines and she claimed that the cult leader had illegal weapons. The entire cult was burned alive. You ignored it, because religion bad.
We warned you when the CIA didn’t like the extremist rhetoric of an Islamic American, and so had the military vaporize him along with his American minor children in the deserts of Yemen without trial or charges. You ignored it, because men bad.
It’s only know that the person being victimized is sympathetic to you that you care.
No. Judges are debating it. Everyone else thinks its insane.
@@calebfielding6352 amazing how the media can make us accept any reality they want to, the american dream is dying, and they know they can snuff it out with brainwash and desensitization. its only beginning
Crazy how easily the media can control the masses with desensitization and by opening the masses mouths and speaking on their behalf. The dumber of our society are not smart enough to notice when they are being used. I fear this all began with juvenile thought, and trying to make the youngest generation the most influential one. Bad decision.
Ever wonder what taxation without representation looks like?
This is why the legal fallacy of qualified immunity never should have been allowed and should be completely destroyed.
Yes, “Qualified Immunity” is nothing more than another Court Invention just like when the Supreme Court approved Obama’s illegal use of the, Executive Order of DACA.
Thank the corrupt Supreme Court.
Protecting a murderer just because he wears a badge. No one should be immune from murder no matter what their job title.
How about no immunity from prosecution regardless of employment?
Manslaughterer I think.
Y'all say sing a different tune about immunity with badges when the victim is black.
@@4minute60Please continue to assume that about everyone and every situation you encounter. Everyone on earth is prejudiced except you.
You mean like the one who shot a woman on Jan. 6 for climbing through a window? Now that was straight up murder, but he was protected by the government. Or the FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge that shot the man's wife while she stood in her kitchen door holding her baby. Yeah, the MSM likes to forget about things like that, don't they?
If there was NO SUCH THING AS Qualified Immunity....THERE WOULD BE WAAAAAAY LESS cases of this. ACCOUNTABILITY serves a HUGE PURPOSE.
Q.I. perpetuates bad behavior, there is NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
Qualified immunity needs to be abolish from all state actors
Blue lives don't matter
Some qualified immunity is a must. Every society has those. The only question is when does it end/start. I'd imagine we would fail as a society, if we cancel QI just because a law enforcement officer ran a stop sign
without immunity, every cop would quit, or at least just stop enforcing the law, because he would be putting his life at risk just by carrying out duties. Cops would get sued 24/7 and they would be attending court hearings from every arrested individual, rather than doing their job
This is not qualified immunity. This is about whether federal criminal law supersedes state law. Qualified immunity is only about civil liability.
@@artyomarty391 what society? Does common people have immunity? Did Trump get it
I'm a police officer of 23 years for a large police department and this is outrageous that the DEA is pulling this garbage. There were no exigent circumstances while doing surveillance that warrants him driving a normal vehicle in a careless and reckless manner. He needs to be tried in state court and justice served. What he was trying to do is just catch up to his buddies who were following him so he could be in on the fun. He was a cowboy who got too big for his britches thinking he was "the law" and rules don't apply to him. I've seen this mindset many times during my career.
You're a police officer? You're the problem.
@@ThatsNotFunnyFrankdude it sounds like he is one of if the good ones! Not everyone who wears a badge is evil.
@@climbhigh100ACAB
now we see why cops not trusted, u and ur other cops should weed out the bad ones
When you saw it, did you correct it?
"Federal law supercedes state law" I don't think that's open enough for interpretation to justify senseless completely unrelated murder
How many times have we seen local deputies harassing Federal employees. There seems to be a very big double standard here. If it is not DEA, it seems to be ATF - and when I think of it, there are just too many people in uniform who forget who they work for.
"There was no emergency, and there was no hot pursuit"... that is irrelevant. As an emergency responder, Police, Fire, Medical, etc., you still have a duty and responsibility to not harm others in the performance of you job. This includes running red lights. You may only proceed with extreme caution as to not endanger others. This guy was100% guilty!
Knowing how to drive without murdering people is the absolute bare minimum
Agreed 100%!
That’s not what “Murder” means.
@@catlady8324 stop being postmodern about it.
@@ZachariahtheMessiah That’s not what “Postmodern” means either.
@@catlady8324 tell me what everything means
If there was a team already watching the purp, his participation and running a stop sign was not required because it was not an emergency.
Qualified immunity only extends to LEOS and FEOs during criminal events in progress. This does not exist in this case.
It shouldn't extend to anyone....
That’s completely wrong. Federal agents enjoy Farmar, robust immunity, protections, then state actors.
See: “De Facto Federal Immunity: Why It’s Almost Impossible to Sue Federal Agents”
-Institute for Justice
If it only applies during the event of a crime please explain how LEOs keep getting cleared after violating people's rights without the presence of a crime? It happens basically daily that a cop assaults a non criminal citizen and never face any consequences for it.
@@jamestaylor3805 Corruption, that's how. Government protects government.
@@jamestaylor3805it’s called corruption and the “thin blue line”…
He was driving so fast & negligent that I thought the person driving the black truck was a criminal in this story. Looks like he works for the other side.
DEA is just as big a criminal as the people they lock up!!!!!!
There was no Emergency there, they have radios, and they have cell phones. They can stay in communication, just because he fell behind doesn’t mean he can run over people trying to catch up, that DEA agent needs to be charged with vehicle or homicide he needs to go to prison.
When you fear integrity and accountability, you are NOT the good guys!
Thinking in the 'good guys, bad guys' sense is being a 'dumb guy'. It's obvious most LEO/LEA are mostly a bunch of crooks and no-goods.
It's NEVER "reasonable" to run a stop sign, traffic light unless you have COP LIGHTS ON WITH A SIREN and EVEN THEN you are STILL RESPONSIBLE if you don't slow down enough to avoid HITTING SOMEONE, PERIOD!
I've seen police cars, fire trucks, and ambulances go through red lights. They always slow down a bit, and go through with caution.
And fire trucks.
@@Timbrock1000 same here, I've never seen them do it in an unsafe way.
@@Timbrock1000yeah with lights , sirens and horns
wow so a federal agent can get immunity from state charges....how interesting