I had the 250 paired with a couple turntables, and I played it out. No booth, no problem. My gigs aren't huge but I get away with my monitors running out the RCA and just use the rotary on the monitor when needed.
I'd love this. I have the original DJM 400 which is great & has served me very well over the last 7 years or so, but it would be nice to get an upgrade! I'll have to start saving!
I think at this price point, they need a three channel mixer with eqs. Personally I went for the DJM-250MK2 because it is an absolute steal if you are not big on effects. Either way, great review. I pretty much jump off my chair whenever a new Mojaxx review comes out.
how do you like the 250mk2...i also bought it and i tend to use the effects in rekordbox a lot but i have no controller...so now doubting whether to return and swap for the 450 but its double the price...i can get a use Z2 traktor for that.
Hey abtrakt, I won't be able to answer that. Before I opened the box, I sold some old gear and returned the 250mk2 for the 450. Should be here tomorrow. I want to be untethered from the laptop unless I'm using turntables, so for effects, I had to do it.
Alex Grant no need for a splitter. Send XLR master out to the PA, RCA master out through a Mackie Big Knob Passive (or similar) to a powered booth monitor. The Big Knob is your booth volume. Master level knob WILL affect both outputs (no way around that), so set it during soundcheck and leave it there.
The thing is, you can get a DJM-900nexus in good shape for $1,000 on eBay pretty easily, and that's a really legit mixer. I got one for $1,000 with a decksaver. It's crazy how much cheaper the 900nexus is than the 900NXS2, but I guess it's just because the NXS2 is still considered the latest thing and the standard. I think the only downside anybody cares about on the 900nexus is that it doesn't have the low cut on the beat FX, but ... the 450 is missing those, too. I'm used to just using some filter before I go crazy on a delay/echo effect, so I kinda feel like the frequency divider buttons are lazy on the 900NXS2. Although on the DJM-V10 they're round and subtle red buttons, so that's pretty cool. 🙂
If they launched a serato club kit for this mixer. I feel like serato dj users woud definitely invest in one. You will still have to purchase the kit yes but you would have best of both worlds.
iam glad to know that the sound of this unit is "really good",back in the 2000's when the djm 800 came people were complaining about the sound that wasn't top notch, now i can recommend this mixer to beginner djs who only need 2 channels, and maybe ill grab one for fun, iam currently happy with my xone px5, and if iam thinking of a digital dj mixer its the xone db4
I’m just not able to decide between the djm 450 and the traktor kontrol z2. Currently I’m using traktor dj software with kontrol s5, but I want to use my old cdj 1000 mk3s again with dvs system. I’d definitely buy the djm 450 if it had booth output.
No booth output... well that's pioneer charging you more but giving you less. A way that I've worked around this is to send the rca from the main output to my dbx GoRack which has its own dual input/output control. I'll send the main xlr from the pioneer to my main powered speakers, then send the outputs from the dbx GoRack to my powered monitor and/or subs. 3 separate outputs and the GoRack is small enough to hide anywhere.
Mine just came in the mail and I am returning it for the DDJRZ controller. For the cost of the mixer + decks I would rather have 4 channels, drum pads and jog wheels in an all in one that will be less costly when all is said and done.
Best cross fader for scratching, un real to be honest, in all my years of djing the x fader is best. the only fault is the up and down faders should of have fader curves and a lot smoother. but sick mixer.
Would be cool is Pioneer had a voucher in the package of units that have DVS built if they want to go the route of not including vinyl or something like that- that would be a cool little addition.
How about NI Traktor support 450 djm?How many channels i have to select in djm 450?only A/B or A/B & AUX C/D for remix deck.450 & 250mk2 have same sound card?
Can’t you just use one of the two master outputs as a booth out? You wont have control over the output level via the mixer of coarse but you can just adjust the level on the powered monitor.
Hello! This mixer makes noises when used with a Mac. After spending more than a month writing to Pioneer, they finally told me that there is a problem between Mac and the mixer and that is why crackling noises occur when using it with a macbook. I have spent hours and hours trying to follow the steps they told me to fix it. The process has been quite disappointing. If you intend to use it as a soundcard or Rekordbox controller for a Mac, I do not recommend it! Greetings!
I have one of this....I think its good for the money...meanwhile in regard to the booth out put, I got an alto audio 4 mixer which is cheap and I run my booth out put on one the channels, all channel has volume control and that solves the problem.
Am I the only one that thinks pioneer should put their record outputs on the front or top on their mixers?? I hate reaching down the back of a mixer in a club situation just so I can record a live set, it would cut out so much hassle..
Got this mixer since a few months, not bad. But Pioneer have locked the DVS inputs to Rekordbox, so you can't use Traktor, VDJ, Mixvibes without an external audio interface ala Serato. Very lame move imo to force users to switch to RKB. Wish : new firmware to unlock the DVS inputs + Serato club kit approval.
pretty sure they all use different timecodes or at least have variations, Pioneer could never prevent eventual bugs etc from all the different interfaces and associated programs
????.... That must have been a long long time ago. In my 32 years as a DJ there's never been a great sounding mixer as low as that. I paid more for my first used Phonic DJ mixer in the 80's, and I had time to look long and hard while saving up for a couple of 1200's and a mixer. B.t.w, the Phonic was far from great sounding, and you could only cue one channel at a time for your head phones. No effects. No channel gain. No sampler. No filter knobs. No booth out. No channel EQ. ...but it did have a 5 band EQ on the master :) . I wish more people had the poor choices I had then, to appreciate the plethora of available gear in all price ranges, all better than what I could afford in the 80's. The club where I learned had a Power Gold series mixer and the cost of that was equivalent of 2 900NXS2 mixers. You could cue more than one channel, but still no channel EQ or any effects of any kind. Just amazing sound and build quality, but not as good as todays range of Pioneer mixers. When I got my DJM-500 in 1995, it was a game changer, and to be true, there was nothing like it on the market. The price was a bit high, around US $1200, but nothing out of the ordinary compared to other mixers with less functionality. It only took me 6 months of eating pasta/noodles to save up for it. The build in effects was amazing to have... but hard to use. The word subtle isn't the word to describe how the effects affected the sound... But still, overall, it had everything and compared to most other choices, a pretty good sound- and build quality. Mine lasted almost 20 years with 13 years as my primary mixer. The only defects when i sold it was a worn out fader and 2 worn out channels. Fixable. Then i got myself a Behringer DDM-4000 for a 1/3 of that price while saving up for a used DJM-800. Still have it and it still works. The usability value is great and it's not worth selling it. It has it flaws in construction, not feature wise. Now I have the DJM-250/800/900-NXS2 and the DDM-4000 to use for different kind of gigs, and they are all good value depending on the purpose. For me it's all about to be prepared to deliver a good set every time I play. On club equipment or on my own gear. + 50 paid gigs a year qualified me to get the DJM-800/CDJ-2000Nexus. 4 years later and +100 gigs/year qualified me to go with the NXS2 as it's not a cost over time. It's an investment. The best about the Pioneer gear besides usability, is the used value once you have it. Buy a used Pioneer Nexus set, and taken care of properly, you can probably get your money back if you sell it a couple of years later. For the last 2 years the used price of a setup like that has been about the same. It can't get any cheaper than that.
i bought the 250mk2 and rekordbox was the easiest part to use...functionality is simple and good...it did took me a while to calibrate the crossfader...you have to restart the mixer at first once change the settings in rekordbox and calibrate it...that being said...i like it but the crossfader is not great for turntablism...it has a deadspace. I might buy a used Z2 as a controller or invest in an innofader mini pro to put in the 250mk2
I bought a new Z2 two weeks ago for 499€. No regrets, that thing is superb, don't know why I've waited so long. It is great for turntablism and the the traktor integration is just plug&play.
Oh you whiners!!!! If you don't like the Pioneer gear, why even bother checking the reviews. I know it's hard to want something out of budget, but whining about it won't lower the price. There's competition, you know. Get a Behringer, Mixars or an old Vestax... If you're aiming at the semi pro/pro level, there's only expensive gear to choose from, but no one but Pioneer gives you so many options from entry level to pro level. Try and get in to the A&H or Rane echo systems and you'll discover that it will hurt your wallet even more, but they're not considered club standard. Even the new Denons aren't cheap. To get to a pro level as a DJ is expensive and always was, believe me. The difference now, compared to when I started in the 80's when there were no cheap options, even for hobby use, now there is. A lot! If you're thinking of buying the top brands as a cost, it's not for you. Simple as that. Get yourself a cheap laptop/controller and live your happy-bedroom-DJ-life ever after... or why not start manufacturing your own DJ gear to the people at a price you think is fair.
Actually no, no need to pay the Pioneer tax. A second-hand Denon DN-X600 will offer everything this has (+ booth output) for a fraction of the price. And I've seen them go for as little as $250 in mint condition on eBay...
Like I said, there's a lot of choices... I have a Behringer DDM-4000, which is a great mixer for the money. Mine is still running perfect since 2009. Very good value. I also have the DJM-250, DJM-800 and DJM-900NXS2 and on those I make money. Every week. After spending more or less every weekend in the booth for 32 years, I have never seen a DN-X600, or any Denon mixer for that matter, anywhere. I wonder why? In this case, you get the full RB-DJ licence including DVS, and you're in the Pio echo system which you need to be if aiming for the clubs. If you can use the DJM-450, you can use all the 4-ch DJM's as well, apart from the 2000/2000Nexus, which is quite different... As i am old school, I think all you really need to DJ, is two channels, fader up/fader down, and a little EQing to get the job done. But, I m also a tech nerd so... When on the job i need what's required tog make money, and the Pioneer's is money every week.
I'm sorry but that attitude that you have to own a Pioneer mixer to be able to use one in the club is laughable. As you said, EQ, faders, cueing and some FX. It's all the same. Players are a different thing, mind you. But mixer....please...that just Pioneer fanboism.
You said that. Not me. I probably put more in to the value of ''how to use'' than you. To use anything as advanced as the latest pro club mixers, whether it is a NXS2, A&H DB4 or the new Denon x1800. To a newcomer getting in a pro DJ Booth for the first times, is sometimes pretty scary, even if you know the gear. To perform, and make an impression, when you're just getting your foot in the scene, requires you to handle all the gear you choose to use as you've never used any other. There's still clubs I visit that has obscure mixers, bolted firmly, and and using anything else is a nono. I stick to the classic EQing and fader up/fader down that I know works almost the same on most mixers. I'll never touch the effects on mixers like that. If I'd have a chance to spend a day or two using them, or had one at home, at least I could use a few effects, if they're any good. Watch what Mojaxx had say about his first encounter with the A&H DB4. As usual there's nothing on your profile that shows your skills jumping from one top-of-the-line mixer to another using them flawless in all and every way, so I can't say if you're just guessing or just had to shout out your own hopes because you own the DN-X600 yourself. If you're in Sweden, I invite you to my studio and we can live stream you playing a set with a mixer of my choice. I have the Nexus and NXS2 CDJ's but you can bring any other gear you want, as the players were more important to you. Impress me and everyone else with flawless and enjoyable set and I'll rest my case.
I played on X600 (owned it for a while), X1600, X1700 and play on the entire DJM lineup 2-3 times a week. I repeat: there is no need to own a Pioneer mixer just for the sake of "making an impression" first time you play live, that's BS. If you don't touch the fx on mixers you don't know you'll never learn. Yes, DB4 is beast regarding FX and workflow but you said it yourself, nothing stopping you to sticking to EQ, faders and cueing until you get the hang of things. Nobody is flawless. It is sad you feel that pressure.
But if you want you can add a volume nob to the second master out and you will be good, something like this: www.amazon.co.uk/Amplifier-Audio-Gain-Level-Control/dp/B01C8CANKE/
If you value your hearing you will lower the volume of your booth speakers between songs (if you can). Without a booth volume knob, you're not gonna reach every time behind the two speakers for this. Even if they are right next to you ;)
I see this was posted about a year ago. Anyone try and pair the DJM-450 with a Rane SL box or the Denon DS1 DVS box? Just wondering if you can use the 450 with a Serato DVS box and if the beat effects and filters are still usable with Serato as long as you have a DVS box. Thanks!
theres no dedicated booth knob to turn it down it would play just as loud as the main speakers. only way round it would be to control the booth level via booth speakers dedicated volume control. bit of a fuck around but not end of the world
Had 450 changed it for 250 MK2 , why ??? More space !!!! Lots of djs today go for features , I'm original club DJ and space on mixer that is compact 2 channel is essential for me with mixing records etc I thought the FX part on 450 was just too near fader and there was too much features on small compact mixer For FX part I found DDj xp1 use that with rekordbox DJ
Did you like the Slide FX on xp1? I can't understand why pioneer does not allow us the use all the effects on the slider and why the f**k they only give us the option to change the parameter on effects, i'd like to change the level/depth on these sliders... =/
if pioneer was smart they would include the DVS vinyl/cd with the mixer. And also set the price on 450 USD/EUR/GBP and same for the 250mk2 mixer at 250,-
I think Pioneer DJ has a very clear and calculated price strategy and they know exactly what the competition has to offer. On the mixers, they have plenty of that competition to consider. If you don't think it has the value for you, you're not the target for Pioneer DJ. They know you will at least try and buy satisfaction elsewhere, and it's OK. DJ's preferring Rane & A&H usually don't go Pioneer ever because of very different feature sets, nothing to do with the price. They are on the same level and in some cases even more expensive, but have what some people value. I think that's great. On the cheaper side of things, Mixars have done some pretty nice mixers, and so has Reloop, with the RMX-90 DVS. I don't know how they compare to the Pioneers, but they have people saying nice things about them. That's always a good start :) . Of course Pioneer as a brand will charge you a little extra for just that. It's how it should be, because then you know they can't afford to put bad stuff out. I think that's worth a lot, especially if you're making money on your gear, and it would be costly if it quit on you at the wrong moment. For me that's more important than any new feature.
Pioneer DJ don’t include control vinyl with the new djm s7 either & that’s over €1,300! Come on Pioneer, for the prices you charge the very least you could do is throw in some control vinyl & cds!
Nice review Mojaxx! Have been waiting for your opinion on this piece since I got the mixer myself. Here is me using the 450 along with a pair of XDJ700 ruclips.net/video/bNxPG8TacSw/видео.html
If you want to use DJM-450 with analog vinyl via Phono Inputs please be aware: it has POOR sound quality! Sound thru Phono inputs is flat like you are listening to the old tape. There are lots of posts regarding this for DJM-250mk2 and even for DDJ-1000. I got mine 450 yesterday and really dissapointed. My guess: the DA-AD converters used in new DJM gear have low REAL sample rate.
Hi Klim, Thanks for your feedback. I was planning to buy this mixer as I have only turntables/analog vinyls and wanted to enter DVS world. Now I'm skeptical....
@@rateoneturn Hi! What I can say about 450 after about 1.5 months of use: Phono inputs still suck. I wonder why Mojaxx said that sound is superb. I am "vinyl only" and it dissapoints. Other ppl after listening of my mix on 450 say that sound is ok, but... If you have good ears, you will notice and it will disturb you. On the other hand the same as you I entered DVS world with 450 and I can say that it is really cool experience. Now I can play tracks that were not released on vinyl or which were but has 30+EUR price on Discogs for used records. And I dont need to buy external sound card and software licenses, as 450 comes with DVS license for Rekordbox (which is fine for me, as I never used Serato and do just long-blend transitions without any sample/pads stuff - maximally close to real vinyl). Sound quality for Line/USB is perfect. So after 1.5months I noticed that I started to love this device even with phono problems. Phono sound is not really garbage, it is just not as good as on DJM-600 for example. But combination of all stuff you get with this unit is covering negative parts. If you have any questions you can safely reach me.
Hi @@Blaulicht1120 ! I'm sure DVS is fantastic and convenient (unlimited library.... that's crazy!!) However, I'll go for another mixer if you say that the sound is not that good with straight vinyls. Thanks a lot for your feedback, I appreciate!
I just got the updated TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2.1 Doe anyone that has the serial number or a key code PLEASE share it with me...so I can unlock everything!!????
Just stop this shit marketing and do it Serato DVS ready. Consumer must choose, not Pioneer at our place. Doing this, Pioneer let us think that Rekordshit is not competitive because of this marketing obligation !! For this product, now, price is too high. 500 box maxi stupid rekordshit vinyl included please !
I had the 250 paired with a couple turntables, and I played it out. No booth, no problem. My gigs aren't huge but I get away with my monitors running out the RCA and just use the rotary on the monitor when needed.
Very good review. And thanks for pointing out that it doesn't have a booth output. That helped in my decision making.
I'd love this. I have the original DJM 400 which is great & has served me very well over the last 7 years or so, but it would be nice to get an upgrade! I'll have to start saving!
Great review. My DJM-450 is in the mail right now so... My expectations are definitely in line. Cheers!
I think at this price point, they need a three channel mixer with eqs. Personally I went for the DJM-250MK2 because it is an absolute steal if you are not big on effects. Either way, great review. I pretty much jump off my chair whenever a new Mojaxx review comes out.
how do you like the 250mk2...i also bought it and i tend to use the effects in rekordbox a lot but i have no controller...so now doubting whether to return and swap for the 450 but its double the price...i can get a use Z2 traktor for that.
Hey abtrakt, I won't be able to answer that. Before I opened the box, I sold some old gear and returned the 250mk2 for the 450. Should be here tomorrow. I want to be untethered from the laptop unless I'm using turntables, so for effects, I had to do it.
Would love to hear any potential workaround for the lack of a booth output. Couldn't a simple XLR splitter be used?
Alex Grant no need for a splitter. Send XLR master out to the PA, RCA master out through a Mackie Big Knob Passive (or similar) to a powered booth monitor. The Big Knob is your booth volume. Master level knob WILL affect both outputs (no way around that), so set it during soundcheck and leave it there.
The thing is, you can get a DJM-900nexus in good shape for $1,000 on eBay pretty easily, and that's a really legit mixer. I got one for $1,000 with a decksaver. It's crazy how much cheaper the 900nexus is than the 900NXS2, but I guess it's just because the NXS2 is still considered the latest thing and the standard. I think the only downside anybody cares about on the 900nexus is that it doesn't have the low cut on the beat FX, but ... the 450 is missing those, too. I'm used to just using some filter before I go crazy on a delay/echo effect, so I kinda feel like the frequency divider buttons are lazy on the 900NXS2. Although on the DJM-V10 they're round and subtle red buttons, so that's pretty cool. 🙂
If they launched a serato club kit for this mixer. I feel like serato dj users woud definitely invest in one. You will still have to purchase the kit yes but you would have best of both worlds.
i've gifted a ddj-sx-w to a mate of mine and wondering if its worth considering moving them over this mixer coupled with a pair of xdj-700s. Thoughts?
iam glad to know that the sound of this unit is "really good",back in the 2000's when the djm 800 came people were complaining about the sound that wasn't top notch, now i can recommend this mixer to beginner djs who only need 2 channels, and maybe ill grab one for fun, iam currently happy with my xone px5, and if iam thinking of a digital dj mixer its the xone db4
In 2023, is this still a viable option?? I wanna pair this with my PT01 turntables 🤔
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Great review honestly. Just scored a 450 for $650
So what mixer should I buy Pioneer DJM 250MK2, 450MK2, TraktorZ2, Mixars or???? budget up to 750 EUR
Great review old mate! no booth out but more importantly don't forget the best missing fx.... ping pong!
I'm looking to upgrade my 20 year old Stanton m.303 but is £650 justified for a vinyl bedroom dj?
I’m just not able to decide between the djm 450 and the traktor kontrol z2. Currently I’m using traktor dj software with kontrol s5, but I want to use my old cdj 1000 mk3s again with dvs system. I’d definitely buy the djm 450 if it had booth output.
For that price, no booth-out is a big no-go for me. Otherwise beautiful mixer.
No booth output... well that's pioneer charging you more but giving you less. A way that I've worked around this is to send the rca from the main output to my dbx GoRack which has its own dual input/output control. I'll send the main xlr from the pioneer to my main powered speakers, then send the outputs from the dbx GoRack to my powered monitor and/or subs. 3 separate outputs and the GoRack is small enough to hide anywhere.
Would a set up off this and two pioneer xdj 700 be a more future proof setup than buying a similar functioning controller?
Bit late but i use the xd700, with this mixer, works really well
Does this work with Serato? Also playing normal vinyl, does the effects wor from the mixer?
Mine just came in the mail and I am returning it for the DDJRZ controller. For the cost of the mixer + decks I would rather have 4 channels, drum pads and jog wheels in an all in one that will be less costly when all is said and done.
Hi mojaxx,excellent video,could you tell me is the sound quality as good as the djm 900 nxs 2.thanks.
Hi! Can you tell me which has better sound quality? DJM250MK2 or DJM450? Thanks.
Very good review... Im planning to buy it... could you tell me if the 2 faders and crossfaders are made of magnetic like the rane mixer ?
if this mixer had a serato DJ hook up that would be dope. i'm using an S3 but it's missing those sound effects.
Best cross fader for scratching, un real to be honest, in all my years of djing the x fader is best. the only fault is the up and down faders should of have fader curves and a lot smoother. but sick mixer.
can you connect an FX unit like the pioneer rmx 1000 to this mixer , and use it while playing?
How come I can’t hear my crossfader cuts when practicing with headphones - there’s no crossfader cutoff when both sides are cued
Would be cool is Pioneer had a voucher in the package of units that have DVS built if they want to go the route of not including vinyl or something like that- that would be a cool little addition.
How about NI Traktor support 450 djm?How many channels i have to select in djm 450?only A/B or A/B & AUX C/D for remix deck.450 & 250mk2 have same sound card?
Great video. Thank you
So is this not the best choice if you using serato dj control vinyls even if you have an external audio device?
it have 3 channels input it is good thank you for support
If you have split cue already then is a booth out really required?
which one has the best sound quality : the 450 or the allen-heath XONE 23/23c ?
Lol the 23 by farrrrrrrr, this mixer isn't even in the same league as the xone 23
Can’t you just use one of the two master outputs as a booth out? You wont have control over the output level via the mixer of coarse but you can just adjust the level on the powered monitor.
Hello!
This mixer makes noises when used with a Mac. After spending more than a month writing to Pioneer, they finally told me that there is a problem between Mac and the mixer and that is why crackling noises occur when using it with a macbook. I have spent hours and hours trying to follow the steps they told me to fix it. The process has been quite disappointing.
If you intend to use it as a soundcard or Rekordbox controller for a Mac, I do not recommend it!
Greetings!
I have one of this....I think its good for the money...meanwhile in regard to the booth out put, I got an alto audio 4 mixer which is cheap and I run my booth out put on one the channels, all channel has volume control and that solves the problem.
Am I the only one that thinks pioneer should put their record outputs on the front or top on their mixers?? I hate reaching down the back of a mixer in a club situation just so I can record a live set, it would cut out so much hassle..
Does it works with Serato Dj ?
Got this mixer since a few months, not bad.
But Pioneer have locked the DVS inputs to Rekordbox, so you can't use Traktor, VDJ, Mixvibes without an external audio interface ala Serato.
Very lame move imo to force users to switch to RKB.
Wish : new firmware to unlock the DVS inputs + Serato club kit approval.
Ha ha I knew this would happen. They did the same thing with DJM-900NXS2 before it got the TSP and SDJ certification ;)
pretty sure they all use different timecodes or at least have variations, Pioneer could never prevent eventual bugs etc from all the different interfaces and associated programs
miss the days of great sounding $150 dj mixers.
????.... That must have been a long long time ago. In my 32 years as a DJ there's never been a great sounding mixer as low as that. I paid more for my first used Phonic DJ mixer in the 80's, and I had time to look long and hard while saving up for a couple of 1200's and a mixer. B.t.w, the Phonic was far from great sounding, and you could only cue one channel at a time for your head phones. No effects. No channel gain. No sampler. No filter knobs. No booth out. No channel EQ. ...but it did have a 5 band EQ on the master :) . I wish more people had the poor choices I had then, to appreciate the plethora of available gear in all price ranges, all better than what I could afford in the 80's. The club where I learned had a Power Gold series mixer and the cost of that was equivalent of 2 900NXS2 mixers. You could cue more than one channel, but still no channel EQ or any effects of any kind. Just amazing sound and build quality, but not as good as todays range of Pioneer mixers.
When I got my DJM-500 in 1995, it was a game changer, and to be true, there was nothing like it on the market. The price was a bit high, around US $1200, but nothing out of the ordinary compared to other mixers with less functionality. It only took me 6 months of eating pasta/noodles to save up for it. The build in effects was amazing to have... but hard to use. The word subtle isn't the word to describe how the effects affected the sound... But still, overall, it had everything and compared to most other choices, a pretty good sound- and build quality. Mine lasted almost 20 years with 13 years as my primary mixer. The only defects when i sold it was a worn out fader and 2 worn out channels. Fixable.
Then i got myself a Behringer DDM-4000 for a 1/3 of that price while saving up for a used DJM-800. Still have it and it still works. The usability value is great and it's not worth selling it. It has it flaws in construction, not feature wise. Now I have the DJM-250/800/900-NXS2 and the DDM-4000 to use for different kind of gigs, and they are all good value depending on the purpose. For me it's all about to be prepared to deliver a good set every time I play. On club equipment or on my own gear. + 50 paid gigs a year qualified me to get the DJM-800/CDJ-2000Nexus. 4 years later and +100 gigs/year qualified me to go with the NXS2 as it's not a cost over time. It's an investment.
The best about the Pioneer gear besides usability, is the used value once you have it. Buy a used Pioneer Nexus set, and taken care of properly, you can probably get your money back if you sell it a couple of years later. For the last 2 years the used price of a setup like that has been about the same. It can't get any cheaper than that.
Have you done a djm 750 mk 2 review yet
My theory, the DJM-750/8/850 are going to be replaced soon. The 250 and 450 at the bottom end and the 900nxs2 at the top. They will need a middle.
Nice, please continue with the new DJM-250-mk2.
JayBsound It's in the lab now, will be in 4-5 weeks.
Perfect, tell me if you can make rekordbox dvs work. I tried it in a store and the drivers were a complete mess. Thanks for all the great content!
i bought the 250mk2 and rekordbox was the easiest part to use...functionality is simple and good...it did took me a while to calibrate the crossfader...you have to restart the mixer at first once change the settings in rekordbox and calibrate it...that being said...i like it but the crossfader is not great for turntablism...it has a deadspace. I might buy a used Z2 as a controller or invest in an innofader mini pro to put in the 250mk2
I bought a new Z2 two weeks ago for 499€. No regrets, that thing is superb, don't know why I've waited so long. It is great for turntablism and the the traktor integration is just plug&play.
Oh you whiners!!!! If you don't like the Pioneer gear, why even bother checking the reviews. I know it's hard to want something out of budget, but whining about it won't lower the price. There's competition, you know. Get a Behringer, Mixars or an old Vestax...
If you're aiming at the semi pro/pro level, there's only expensive gear to choose from, but no one but Pioneer gives you so many options from entry level to pro level. Try and get in to the A&H or Rane echo systems and you'll discover that it will hurt your wallet even more, but they're not considered club standard. Even the new Denons aren't cheap. To get to a pro level as a DJ is expensive and always was, believe me. The difference now, compared to when I started in the 80's when there were no cheap options, even for hobby use, now there is. A lot!
If you're thinking of buying the top brands as a cost, it's not for you. Simple as that. Get yourself a cheap laptop/controller and live your happy-bedroom-DJ-life ever after... or why not start manufacturing your own DJ gear to the people at a price you think is fair.
Actually no, no need to pay the Pioneer tax. A second-hand Denon DN-X600 will offer everything this has (+ booth output) for a fraction of the price. And I've seen them go for as little as $250 in mint condition on eBay...
Like I said, there's a lot of choices... I have a Behringer DDM-4000, which is a great mixer for the money. Mine is still running perfect since 2009. Very good value. I also have the DJM-250, DJM-800 and DJM-900NXS2 and on those I make money. Every week. After spending more or less every weekend in the booth for 32 years, I have never seen a DN-X600, or any Denon mixer for that matter, anywhere. I wonder why? In this case, you get the full RB-DJ licence including DVS, and you're in the Pio echo system which you need to be if aiming for the clubs. If you can use the DJM-450, you can use all the 4-ch DJM's as well, apart from the 2000/2000Nexus, which is quite different... As i am old school, I think all you really need to DJ, is two channels, fader up/fader down, and a little EQing to get the job done. But, I m also a tech nerd so... When on the job i need what's required tog make money, and the Pioneer's is money every week.
I'm sorry but that attitude that you have to own a Pioneer mixer to be able to use one in the club is laughable. As you said, EQ, faders, cueing and some FX. It's all the same. Players are a different thing, mind you. But mixer....please...that just Pioneer fanboism.
You said that. Not me. I probably put more in to the value of ''how to use'' than you. To use anything as advanced as the latest pro club mixers, whether it is a NXS2, A&H DB4 or the new Denon x1800. To a newcomer getting in a pro DJ Booth for the first times, is sometimes pretty scary, even if you know the gear. To perform, and make an impression, when you're just getting your foot in the scene, requires you to handle all the gear you choose to use as you've never used any other. There's still clubs I visit that has obscure mixers, bolted firmly, and and using anything else is a nono. I stick to the classic EQing and fader up/fader down that I know works almost the same on most mixers. I'll never touch the effects on mixers like that. If I'd have a chance to spend a day or two using them, or had one at home, at least I could use a few effects, if they're any good. Watch what Mojaxx had say about his first encounter with the A&H DB4.
As usual there's nothing on your profile that shows your skills jumping from one top-of-the-line mixer to another using them flawless in all and every way, so I can't say if you're just guessing or just had to shout out your own hopes because you own the DN-X600 yourself. If you're in Sweden, I invite you to my studio and we can live stream you playing a set with a mixer of my choice. I have the Nexus and NXS2 CDJ's but you can bring any other gear you want, as the players were more important to you. Impress me and everyone else with flawless and enjoyable set and I'll rest my case.
I played on X600 (owned it for a while), X1600, X1700 and play on the entire DJM lineup 2-3 times a week. I repeat: there is no need to own a Pioneer mixer just for the sake of "making an impression" first time you play live, that's BS. If you don't touch the fx on mixers you don't know you'll never learn. Yes, DB4 is beast regarding FX and workflow but you said it yourself, nothing stopping you to sticking to EQ, faders and cueing until you get the hang of things.
Nobody is flawless. It is sad you feel that pressure.
I honestly think they should have done booth outputs and more fx instead of send return
So with the 2 master outs, why is booth out such a big deal?
Justin Grathwohl No separate control of the level for the two.
MojaxxVDJ Ahhh, didn't think of that. Definitely is handy in a lot of situations. Guess I take it for granted in my setup.
But if you want you can add a volume nob to the second master out and you will be good, something like this: www.amazon.co.uk/Amplifier-Audio-Gain-Level-Control/dp/B01C8CANKE/
MojaxxVDJ, most booth speakers have a volume control on the speakers themselves.
If you value your hearing you will lower the volume of your booth speakers between songs (if you can). Without a booth volume knob, you're not gonna reach every time behind the two speakers for this. Even if they are right next to you ;)
I see this was posted about a year ago. Anyone try and pair the DJM-450 with a Rane SL box or the Denon DS1 DVS box? Just wondering if you can use the 450 with a Serato DVS box and if the beat effects and filters are still usable with Serato as long as you have a DVS box. Thanks!
Trey Thomas yes all the mixer effects, beat and color work with any Serato box.
Elton Guerreiro, thanks. I thought so since they’re all hardware. Good looking out.
What app is that? Thanks!
For the bedroom, seems like the best value
Does the 2 Channels have Midi post faders?
Could the 2nd output be used as a Booth? Presuming I can adjust the volume elsewhere on the booth monitors
theres no dedicated booth knob to turn it down it would play just as loud as the main speakers. only way round it would be to control the booth level via booth speakers dedicated volume control. bit of a fuck around but not end of the world
@@spiderpig123 Thanks for the reply :-)
Okay..... which room set up would you say makes one “club ready?”:
Xdjrx1 or a djm450 mixer w/ 2 cdj2000nxs?
Thanks!
Wish they'd keep supporting traktor or serato hardware...
Does the usb work with Phase? Tq
I think i dig this mixer.allen and heath requires an external interface while this one dont
Does anyone know if you xp-1 will hook up directly?
No booth.. What's the workaround?
can i plug my laptop on it and just play selection of music for the party
Had 450 changed it for 250 MK2 , why ??? More space !!!!
Lots of djs today go for features , I'm original club DJ and space on mixer that is compact 2 channel is essential for me with mixing records etc
I thought the FX part on 450 was just too near fader and there was too much features on small compact mixer
For FX part I found DDj xp1 use that with rekordbox DJ
Did you like the Slide FX on xp1? I can't understand why pioneer does not allow us the use all the effects on the slider and why the f**k they only give us the option to change the parameter on effects, i'd like to change the level/depth on these sliders... =/
No Booth for that price is simply ridiculous. Otherwise great unit.
So you can’t even record from the Aux RCA’s?
Ddj 450 or xdj rx ? Which one is better ?
Kula Muhimba rx is way better
XDJ RX is for robots. DJM 450 is for Djs.
I could easliy bring this with when I DJ, so the "bedroom" aspect is a bit misleading. It all depends on what kind of DJ you are...
The booth thing is well annoying for the price. Swaying towards the Reloop Kut now
if pioneer was smart they would include the DVS vinyl/cd with the mixer. And also set the price on 450 USD/EUR/GBP and same for the 250mk2 mixer at 250,-
I think Pioneer DJ has a very clear and calculated price strategy and they know exactly what the competition has to offer. On the mixers, they have plenty of that competition to consider. If you don't think it has the value for you, you're not the target for Pioneer DJ. They know you will at least try and buy satisfaction elsewhere, and it's OK. DJ's preferring Rane & A&H usually don't go Pioneer ever because of very different feature sets, nothing to do with the price. They are on the same level and in some cases even more expensive, but have what some people value. I think that's great.
On the cheaper side of things, Mixars have done some pretty nice mixers, and so has Reloop, with the RMX-90 DVS. I don't know how they compare to the Pioneers, but they have people saying nice things about them. That's always a good start :) . Of course Pioneer as a brand will charge you a little extra for just that. It's how it should be, because then you know they can't afford to put bad stuff out. I think that's worth a lot, especially if you're making money on your gear, and it would be costly if it quit on you at the wrong moment. For me that's more important than any new feature.
can you use serato in this
It's a joke this doesn't have a booth output.
It doesnt have MIDI...for $700?
...is that the same fader as the S9?
Rasp Haunt No, as far as I can tell it's pretty much the same as the 900 NXS2. Same technology in them all though.
The S9 has the "Magvel Pro Fader". This one just has the "Magvel Fader". It's the same that is used in the 900 nxs2 and 250-mk2
...word,thanks bro'
....ahhh word,okay ,thanks man'...respect'
From the little tehnical specs that are available, they are the same. The difference is that Magvel Pro on S9 has some user adjustable controls.
I guess now this mixer is traktor certified 😉
Pro trick : you can watch movies on kaldrostream. Been using it for watching lots of of movies lately.
@Terry Bishop Definitely, I've been watching on KaldroStream for since december myself :)
@Terry Bishop Yup, been using kaldroStream for years myself :D
@Terry Bishop Definitely, I've been using kaldrostream for since december myself :)
@Terry Bishop Definitely, I've been using Kaldrostream for years myself =)
This should not cost more than $500 maximum.
Dj mixer with no booth output… what a joke.
Pioneer DJ don’t include control vinyl with the new djm s7 either & that’s over €1,300! Come on Pioneer, for the prices you charge the very least you could do is throw in some control vinyl & cds!
700$ ? i bet you pay 200$ just for the Pioneer branding, there is no way that this mixer is worth all that money.
Nice
Damn good mixer it seems.
Nice review Mojaxx! Have been waiting for your opinion on this piece since I got the mixer myself. Here is me using the 450 along with a pair of XDJ700 ruclips.net/video/bNxPG8TacSw/видео.html
shit....I could rock a club with that mixer.....much rather have a N. I. Z2... for $500 & it comes with TRAKTOR PRO and digital vinyl!!!!
If you want to use DJM-450 with analog vinyl via Phono Inputs please be aware: it has POOR sound quality! Sound thru Phono inputs is flat like you are listening to the old tape. There are lots of posts regarding this for DJM-250mk2 and even for DDJ-1000. I got mine 450 yesterday and really dissapointed. My guess: the DA-AD converters used in new DJM gear have low REAL sample rate.
Hi Klim, Thanks for your feedback. I was planning to buy this mixer as I have only turntables/analog vinyls and wanted to enter DVS world. Now I'm skeptical....
@@rateoneturn Hi! What I can say about 450 after about 1.5 months of use: Phono inputs still suck. I wonder why Mojaxx said that sound is superb. I am "vinyl only" and it dissapoints. Other ppl after listening of my mix on 450 say that sound is ok, but... If you have good ears, you will notice and it will disturb you. On the other hand the same as you I entered DVS world with 450 and I can say that it is really cool experience. Now I can play tracks that were not released on vinyl or which were but has 30+EUR price on Discogs for used records. And I dont need to buy external sound card and software licenses, as 450 comes with DVS license for Rekordbox (which is fine for me, as I never used Serato and do just long-blend transitions without any sample/pads stuff - maximally close to real vinyl). Sound quality for Line/USB is perfect. So after 1.5months I noticed that I started to love this device even with phono problems. Phono sound is not really garbage, it is just not as good as on DJM-600 for example. But combination of all stuff you get with this unit is covering negative parts. If you have any questions you can safely reach me.
Hi @@Blaulicht1120 ! I'm sure DVS is fantastic and convenient (unlimited library.... that's crazy!!)
However, I'll go for another mixer if you say that the sound is not that good with straight vinyls.
Thanks a lot for your feedback, I appreciate!
Still over-priced in 2024
I have
I just got the updated TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2.1 Doe anyone that has the serial number or a key code PLEASE share it with me...so I can unlock everything!!????
Just stop this shit marketing and do it Serato DVS ready. Consumer must choose, not Pioneer at our place. Doing this, Pioneer let us think that Rekordshit is not competitive because of this marketing obligation !! For this product, now, price is too high. 500 box maxi stupid rekordshit vinyl included please !
stop complain and talk to Serato
theabstrakt84 of course, phone number of mr serato??
just get the 250mk2 and buy a second hand Z2 traktor 2 for the price of one 450
1SssssssssssssssT!
700...ha ha ha ha try again pioneer
pioneer u fucked up
Rather buy a z2
What a scam