I have to say, your videos made me restart the game and play through again now with the insight you provided. Thank you for that. You gave me a new appreciation for an amazing game
Redmaw's legends is quite interesting, because he was one of the first thunderjaws,right? Hunters just didn't know what it was capable of and its weaknesses, so they couldn't kill it. Redmaw just survived long enough to become legend, but he's no different than other thunderjaws
Ahsis killed the First Thunderjaw and Thunderjaws were killed in a daily basis so Redmaw wasn't the first Thunderjaw so it had to do with Redmaws design that made him not only an efficient Hunter Killer but also a survivor Because Its rare for a machine to Attack a city or a settlement and survive especially for a Thunderjaw.
@@summer7034 if it was by design, then every future unit after him was the same but that is not the case. His AI must have had a sudden spike of increased intelligence. Project Firebreak gives a hint in 1 of the messages. One day CYANs Turing score spiked to 0.61. Possible I confuse it with a forged record to hide its capabilities, as CYAN explains her builders hid the true potential due to deliberstely exceeding the self set limitations. In any way I am sure Redmaws AI was higher than other machines. It learned.
@Imaru Lewis if you see the individual stats maybe but the most dangerous thing is the AI. Shell walkers gather forces, Drill Horns can use their speed to lure you to predatory machines or rally herdes for stampedes. Right now the machines of Gaia were only protecting themselves. The danger rose from Hades, who aggressively attacked the humans. And humans clearly lost that battle if it wasn't not for Eloy. But I actually meant "tribe" as in, human tribe. Everyone should have thete Nemesis. Statisticallyit does not make sense that only the Banuk besides Meridians had a legendary beast.
My guess was that whatever cauldron that built Redmaw (Zeta, probably) had a glitch in it's computer core while it was building a Thunderjaw, and accidentally boosted the AI in the machine's computer brain. The result was a much more aggressive Thunderjaw that actively sought out humans and small settlements to eliminate perceived "threats". No other machine does that. Thunderjaws and other combat machines were programmed to defend smaller machines, but not hunt for humans (not until HEPHAESTUS built the Fireclaws, Frostclaws and Scorchers). This machine was smarter and more combat oriented than any other fighting machine. Essentially, it was a mistake that Redmaw was built. The cauldron likely detected the mistake and corrected it, possibly accompanying HEPHAESTUS' objective of culling the population, not killing them. TL;DR, Redmaw was an accidental invention when a cauldron had a glitch.
Between the Fire/Frost Claws and Scorchers, the machines The Deamon/Hephestus created were next level dangerous. That said, it's possible they were dangerous only because of the reasources used to craft them, namely, the Firebreak facility which is by far the most over-designed cauldron we encounter so it's not unreasonable to assume it'll be a little time before Hephestus can construct anything else as dangerous to humanity.
Don’t forget frost claws, they would become 4th, but in game the death bringer is actually stronger than all of them but it is faro ancient machine not of gaia
Well, the way I see it 1) Fireclaw 2) Scorcher 3) Thunderjaw Rockbreakers are pretty much easy to defeat if staying on a hill where they are not able to get. Used my ice arrows and cracked a few with ease c:
Corruption arrows, make most of them easy to take care of... Except for the (CENSORED) Stormbirds! Actually, when alone, those Rockbreakers are hard to deal with without a safe firing position. I recently watched Aavak, take on those two corrupted Rockbreakers, by Corruption arrowing a passing Shellwalker convoy from across the river. Then he just kept corrupting one of the machines, and setting the Rockbreakers on fire.
i am thinking that he was a prototype thunderjaw one of the first. but after redmaw was made maybe this could not be sustained to make large numbers of this version maybe due to the raw materials when HEPHAESTUS viewed humans as threat and had to reevaluate its design.
This are some of the most interesting, well-written and just awesome videos about videogame lore I've ever seen, not to mention the narrative skills, you deserve so much more subscribers.
Why was redmaw so mighty was he built with more advanced and special programming or was he just more lucky because it is rare for a machine to survive while it attacks a city or settlement especially for a Thunderjaw
That's a really good question Devin, and honestly I wish I had more information to give you. I'm fairly certain Redmaw has more health than your average Thunderjaw, which may equate to it having stronger armor or a slightly modified design, but thats only speculation. I'll do some digging, and if i find anything I'll let ya know!
I've thought about that too. It might be that the machines (or at least thunderjaws) have a rudimentary learning algorithm. The more fights Redmaw had, the more it learned how to fight humans and thus became more advanced.
My theory is that machines can return to cauldrons and get necessary repairs if needed, we never see it in game because it's a game and we're meant to kill any enemy we combat in it, but machines like that would need regular maintenance from mundane wear and tear to ammo refills to battle damage, it would need to be fixed, maybe not all machines but large 1s like thunder jaws that have a lot of resources put into them, where it would be a larger waste to let it just eventually collapse and having to make a new 1, as oposed to just fixing up a few issues, it was mentioned in game that it showed up and disappeared periodically in different areas and was hard to track because of that, i think this is because it wasn't out and about during those times, it was likely in an undiscovered cauldron bay being repaired after the battles.
Not really, I felt that it is the same, just a battle hardened thunderjaw with a higher level. Probably it's attack parameters are just slightly higher than the normal ones. Probably close to a Corrupted version, perhaps?
@@sans_bear this is true, the first thunderjaw i killed was when i was level 24 with a normal bow and it was hard. i fought redmaw when i was level 42 with a shadow hunter bow and it was incredibly hard
I think it was only slightly tougher than a regular one.. The giant one in The Cut was a lil more difficult, IMO. (so are the Scorchers and 'Claws, but that's apples and oranges)
The best fight I had in all of horizon. Was so close to death before taking him down. What made it hard for me was that he only has one disc launcher and that launcher does not have much ammo. Even with the tear blaster, it was still super difficult.
While the Thunderjaws do appear in the opening cinematic, I think that they were only there to make the game look better and their inclusion wasn't given too much thought, just like how they put multiple Tallnecks walking among the other machines. Hephaestus only started creating more agressive machines then, and the Thunderjaw was one of the last.
Nice visual's!! If you're looking for video ideas... Maybe a video showing the effects of Corruption arrows, on various groups of machines? Bandits? (I confess, I just really want to see two, or more, Thunderjaw's/Behemoths/etc go at it! ✌😸) As Aavak has said in his playthrough... "Time for Robot War's!"
The reason Redmaw wasn't a big deal for Aloy is because she's been rigorously trained all her life, is the smartest woman alive, has a focus device for strategy, and uses advanced weapons and armor.
"-it will take a truly terrible beast to take Redmaw's title of the most murderous of machines." Yeah, any Apex Slaughterspine should do the trick. Good thing they aren't in the Sundom... yet.
@@popsjr Rethinking: I may say that the Rockbreaker is trully unparalled and - I believe you meant "Scorcher" - (?) is a hell of a fight for sure. But the Thunderjaws I find more time consuming than difficult, even in UH. Because they are pretty easy to zone-out. And I think I will add the Fireclaw to that list too because they are strong as hell
How to defeat: Stormbird=Attract it's attention. Let it come close. Then Cable the sucker to the ground. Either bash it with the spear or Aim your strongest triple shot at it's breast area. Keep a distance though. Even tied down it can harm you. As soon as it breaks free..Repeat. Rockbreaker=This is all about spotting the stoneshitter before it spots you. It becomes aware of you because of...walking. Yes it is sensitive to your footsteps. Try sneaking and it actually has trouble locating you. Distance or a High ground is your golden ticket with it. As it actually has only a finite Area it can move around in. Once outside of that it can only spit rocks at you. If there are multiple Rockbreakers that is the strategy to go with. ThunderJaw=Honestly my favourite to play Cat & Mouse with. Grab a bush and depending on difficulty aim a triple shot of the precision bow at it's disc launchers. I mean seriously they are so big not hitting it with a focus shot is almost impossible. Make sure this bush is far away though and strategize another bush to sneak to after the shot. Because the Sucker will come and check it out. Shoot either the other one off in the same manner after it grows tired of searching or grab the disc launcher once it is far enough away from it. Get as close you can and unload the launcher on it. Easy Peasy. And i did this on Story mode as well as Ultra Hard. Fireclaw & Other DLC Enemies=I mostly used the strategy for the Thunderclaw on them. Unless you play it on Story mode you seriously don't want those things to see you on Ultra Hard. Aloy's power lies in her Bows and tools. Not her Spear. Keep hidden,Scan them and fire their weaknesses on the right glowing parts. They are big and mostly stupid. You are small but cunning. Use it against them.
I know I'm late but also freezing them with ice bombs, you could use ice arrows, but I prefer bombs. Frozen machines take the most damage. That's how I defeat/finish all of the intimidating ones. But thanks for the tips! I replaying for the 3rd time after the announcement.
How did he get a 'Lodge Blast sling'? And are there better bows than the ones from the frozen wilds? Also good video! (I know I'm years late but hey, still good).
A fully charged shot from a Lodge bow would deal more damage than a fully charged Banuk bow, but an *over*charged Banuk bow (their main gimmick) is way more effective, if you can afford the breathing room.
That footage though.... Just use a tearblast arrow and then shoot it with its own cannon. Deals massive damage and you will no longer have to evade that weapon, since he obviously can't use it anymore.
If Redmaw was any tougher he would have been unbeatable. At the time in the story you fight him you dont have op gear yet. I cannot understand why people dont get this.
I'm quite disappointed by redmaw, I thought it was corrupted tjaw, but just normal tjaw with a bit of red paint, some arrows stuck on its body, and a bit more health
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I have to say, your videos made me restart the game and play through again now with the insight you provided. Thank you for that. You gave me a new appreciation for an amazing game
Redmaw's legends is quite interesting, because he was one of the first thunderjaws,right? Hunters just didn't know what it was capable of and its weaknesses, so they couldn't kill it. Redmaw just survived long enough to become legend, but he's no different than other thunderjaws
Also he was an infected thunderjaw.
Ahsis killed the First Thunderjaw and Thunderjaws were killed in a daily basis so Redmaw wasn't the first Thunderjaw so it had to do with Redmaws design that made him not only an efficient Hunter Killer but also a survivor Because Its rare for a machine to Attack a city or a settlement and survive especially for a Thunderjaw.
There seem to be too few lgendary machines. Every tribe could or should have at least 1 nemesis.
@@summer7034 if it was by design, then every future unit after him was the same but that is not the case. His AI must have had a sudden spike of increased intelligence. Project Firebreak gives a hint in 1 of the messages. One day CYANs Turing score spiked to 0.61. Possible I confuse it with a forged record to hide its capabilities, as CYAN explains her builders hid the true potential due to deliberstely exceeding the self set limitations.
In any way I am sure Redmaws AI was higher than other machines. It learned.
@Imaru Lewis if you see the individual stats maybe but the most dangerous thing is the AI. Shell walkers gather forces, Drill Horns can use their speed to lure you to predatory machines or rally herdes for stampedes.
Right now the machines of Gaia were only protecting themselves. The danger rose from Hades, who aggressively attacked the humans. And humans clearly lost that battle if it wasn't not for Eloy.
But I actually meant "tribe" as in, human tribe. Everyone should have thete Nemesis. Statisticallyit does not make sense that only the Banuk besides Meridians had a legendary beast.
My guess was that whatever cauldron that built Redmaw (Zeta, probably) had a glitch in it's computer core while it was building a Thunderjaw, and accidentally boosted the AI in the machine's computer brain. The result was a much more aggressive Thunderjaw that actively sought out humans and small settlements to eliminate perceived "threats". No other machine does that. Thunderjaws and other combat machines were programmed to defend smaller machines, but not hunt for humans (not until HEPHAESTUS built the Fireclaws, Frostclaws and Scorchers). This machine was smarter and more combat oriented than any other fighting machine. Essentially, it was a mistake that Redmaw was built. The cauldron likely detected the mistake and corrected it, possibly accompanying HEPHAESTUS' objective of culling the population, not killing them.
TL;DR, Redmaw was an accidental invention when a cauldron had a glitch.
And whats most strange is how this machine was able to survive. One thing the Machines suck at is being able to survive.
@@summer7034 Probably by not staying at one place too long so that it was hard to find it
Only for fireclaws to pop up and be 10x more dangerous than any thunderjaw.
Between the Fire/Frost Claws and Scorchers, the machines The Deamon/Hephestus created were next level dangerous. That said, it's possible they were dangerous only because of the reasources used to craft them, namely, the Firebreak facility which is by far the most over-designed cauldron we encounter so it's not unreasonable to assume it'll be a little time before Hephestus can construct anything else as dangerous to humanity.
@@BHRamsay One thing for sure, the Fireclaw really hits hard indeed even on Normal Difficulty. I can't imagine the damage at Ultra Hard difficulty
Tay Tzu Leong it's ABSURD. They're so hard on Ultra Hard 😭
As far as hardest to defeat goes
1- Rockbreaker
2- Stormbird
And then
3 - Thunderjaw
Don’t forget frost claws, they would become 4th, but in game the death bringer is actually stronger than all of them but it is faro ancient machine not of gaia
Well, the way I see it
1) Fireclaw
2) Scorcher
3) Thunderjaw
Rockbreakers are pretty much easy to defeat if staying on a hill where they are not able to get. Used my ice arrows and cracked a few with ease c:
Freeze the Rockbreaker and it will take really great danger, and be sure that you stay on the distance ))
For me it's the:
1. Stormbird.
2. Thunderjaw.
3. Rockbreaker.
Corruption arrows, make most of them easy to take care of...
Except for the (CENSORED) Stormbirds!
Actually, when alone, those Rockbreakers are hard to deal with without a safe firing position.
I recently watched Aavak, take on those two corrupted Rockbreakers, by Corruption arrowing a passing Shellwalker convoy from across the river.
Then he just kept corrupting one of the machines, and setting the Rockbreakers on fire.
i am thinking that he was a prototype thunderjaw one of the first. but after redmaw was made maybe this could not be sustained to make large numbers of this version maybe due to the raw materials when HEPHAESTUS viewed humans as threat and had to reevaluate its design.
What an amazing channel about my favorite ever game. Thank you.
This are some of the most interesting, well-written and just awesome videos about videogame lore I've ever seen, not to mention the narrative skills, you deserve so much more subscribers.
Why was redmaw so mighty was he built with more advanced and special programming or was he just more lucky because it is rare for a machine to survive while it attacks a city or settlement especially for a Thunderjaw
That's a really good question Devin, and honestly I wish I had more information to give you. I'm fairly certain Redmaw has more health than your average Thunderjaw, which may equate to it having stronger armor or a slightly modified design, but thats only speculation. I'll do some digging, and if i find anything I'll let ya know!
I've thought about that too. It might be that the machines (or at least thunderjaws) have a rudimentary learning algorithm. The more fights Redmaw had, the more it learned how to fight humans and thus became more advanced.
My theory is that machines can return to cauldrons and get necessary repairs if needed, we never see it in game because it's a game and we're meant to kill any enemy we combat in it, but machines like that would need regular maintenance from mundane wear and tear to ammo refills to battle damage, it would need to be fixed, maybe not all machines but large 1s like thunder jaws that have a lot of resources put into them, where it would be a larger waste to let it just eventually collapse and having to make a new 1, as oposed to just fixing up a few issues, it was mentioned in game that it showed up and disappeared periodically in different areas and was hard to track because of that, i think this is because it wasn't out and about during those times, it was likely in an undiscovered cauldron bay being repaired after the battles.
I'm kinda thinking he's a enhanced thunderjaw
Probably with a power level close to a Corrupted Thunderjaw
By the time I fought RedMaw I was really experienced and well equipped. Is it actually stronger than the rest?
Not really, I felt that it is the same, just a battle hardened thunderjaw with a higher level. Probably it's attack parameters are just slightly higher than the normal ones. Probably close to a Corrupted version, perhaps?
its harder than a corrupted too. Its more aggressive and tougher.
@@sans_bear this is true, the first thunderjaw i killed was when i was level 24 with a normal bow and it was hard. i fought redmaw when i was level 42 with a shadow hunter bow and it was incredibly hard
yes, in the lore
That thubderjaw made me feel a certain way. I was not okay after that.
Love that footage at the end of your overridden thrunderjaw. Slick AF!
Wow this was awesome! Subbed instantly!
I think it was only slightly tougher than a regular one.. The giant one in The Cut was a lil more difficult, IMO. (so are the Scorchers and 'Claws, but that's apples and oranges)
actually I took down the DAemonic one in the Cut at level 58 easier then Redmaw at bonus level 15.
The best fight I had in all of horizon. Was so close to death before taking him down. What made it hard for me was that he only has one disc launcher and that launcher does not have much ammo. Even with the tear blaster, it was still super difficult.
While the Thunderjaws do appear in the opening cinematic, I think that they were only there to make the game look better and their inclusion wasn't given too much thought, just like how they put multiple Tallnecks walking among the other machines. Hephaestus only started creating more agressive machines then, and the Thunderjaw was one of the last.
Look up development stages of the game. Thunderjaw was the very first machine concept
@@PothocketsFPV that's out of game, in the game universe thunderjaws only started appearing a few years before the events of the main game
Nice visual's!!
If you're looking for video ideas...
Maybe a video showing the effects of Corruption arrows, on various groups of machines? Bandits?
(I confess, I just really want to see two, or more, Thunderjaw's/Behemoths/etc go at it! ✌😸)
As Aavak has said in his playthrough... "Time for Robot War's!"
Right off the bat, rumbling then EXPLOSIONS!
I hope they expand the lodge in the 2nd game and add more dangerous machines . I want to see a mosasaurus machine you have to fight underwater. Etc
In My Opinion, Redmaw Grew Slack Over Time. I Mean, Letting Someone Escape?
Feels Like I’m watching E3 demo. Great video !
The reason Redmaw wasn't a big deal for Aloy is because she's been rigorously trained all her life, is the smartest woman alive, has a focus device for strategy, and uses advanced weapons and armor.
Redmaw being threatening
Fire/frostclaws "hold my beer"
"-it will take a truly terrible beast to take Redmaw's title of the most murderous of machines."
Yeah, any Apex Slaughterspine should do the trick. Good thing they aren't in the Sundom... yet.
I like to imagine. That Aloy missed a Fire Claw that will become legendary.
6:07 I'd be interested to hear how Redmaw "liquified" people. Did he just stomp them into pulp?
This dude should definitely cover some of the new machines in forbidden west! Especially the slaughter spine!
Personally I think the most difficult machine for me to kill are the Corruptors. And the most absolutely annoying is definitely Glinthawks
If you just kill them with fire they're super easy. Ultra hard thunderjaws, scortures, and rock breakers are the absolute worst
@@popsjr Rethinking: I may say that the Rockbreaker is trully unparalled and - I believe you meant "Scorcher" - (?) is a hell of a fight for sure. But the Thunderjaws I find more time consuming than difficult, even in UH. Because they are pretty easy to zone-out. And I think I will add the Fireclaw to that list too because they are strong as hell
You sound like Vaatividya! Which is definitly a good thing imo
+Lalancette Philippe That's high praise, thanks so much!
How to defeat:
Stormbird=Attract it's attention. Let it come close. Then Cable the sucker to the ground. Either bash it with the spear or Aim your strongest triple shot at it's breast area. Keep a distance though. Even tied down it can harm you. As soon as it breaks free..Repeat.
Rockbreaker=This is all about spotting the stoneshitter before it spots you. It becomes aware of you because of...walking. Yes it is sensitive to your footsteps. Try sneaking and it actually has trouble locating you. Distance or a High ground is your golden ticket with it. As it actually has only a finite Area it can move around in. Once outside of that it can only spit rocks at you. If there are multiple Rockbreakers that is the strategy to go with.
ThunderJaw=Honestly my favourite to play Cat & Mouse with. Grab a bush and depending on difficulty aim a triple shot of the precision bow at it's disc launchers. I mean seriously they are so big not hitting it with a focus shot is almost impossible. Make sure this bush is far away though and strategize another bush to sneak to after the shot. Because the Sucker will come and check it out. Shoot either the other one off in the same manner after it grows tired of searching or grab the disc launcher once it is far enough away from it. Get as close you can and unload the launcher on it. Easy Peasy. And i did this on Story mode as well as Ultra Hard.
Fireclaw & Other DLC Enemies=I mostly used the strategy for the Thunderclaw on them. Unless you play it on Story mode you seriously don't want those things to see you on Ultra Hard. Aloy's power lies in her Bows and tools. Not her Spear. Keep hidden,Scan them and fire their weaknesses on the right glowing parts. They are big and mostly stupid. You are small but cunning. Use it against them.
I know I'm late but also freezing them with ice bombs, you could use ice arrows, but I prefer bombs. Frozen machines take the most damage. That's how I defeat/finish all of the intimidating ones. But thanks for the tips! I replaying for the 3rd time after the announcement.
once you take out the top antena they cant see and will fire blindly which makes it easy to take it down since it wont hit you.
How did he get a 'Lodge Blast sling'? And are there better bows than the ones from the frozen wilds? Also good video! (I know I'm years late but hey, still good).
Hey lodge weapons can be acquired by earning blazing suns in each of the hunter lodge challenges scattered throughout the map
A fully charged shot from a Lodge bow would deal more damage than a fully charged Banuk bow, but an *over*charged Banuk bow (their main gimmick) is way more effective, if you can afford the breathing room.
Looove your Voice!!! Come back!!!!
Even the hawk tuah of the hunters lodge, a might warrior in her own right fell victim to redmar. IYKYK😅
An Iconic boogyman machine of the Savage East.
Is it just me or was Redmaw surprisingly easy to take down? I was totally ready for a long hard fight and took it down super quick.
Years of battle fatigue. You can see that it only has one cannon and a ton of arrows on its flank from its human victims.
still waiting for quimeras in hzd
That footage though.... Just use a tearblast arrow and then shoot it with its own cannon. Deals massive damage and you will no longer have to evade that weapon, since he obviously can't use it anymore.
Try that in UH
If Redmaw was any tougher he would have been unbeatable. At the time in the story you fight him you dont have op gear yet. I cannot understand why people dont get this.
I must have missed something? which quest was it?
I'm quite disappointed by redmaw, I thought it was corrupted tjaw, but just normal tjaw with a bit of red paint, some arrows stuck on its body, and a bit more health
How do you unlock this side mission?
Wait, you can override thunderjaws?
Yes you have to unlock the last cauldron
Giant robot T-Rex
SCIENCE!