You are the single RUclips voice that I trust 100%. Others may be at 80-90%. And the rest are grade-E. You are the only engineer on here that confidently demonstrates that he understands the science behind the art… and how to appropriately and masterfully apply these concepts. You’ve leveled me up after each video, and I’m grateful. Thank you, Mr. Worrall
Yeah he’s easily one of the only influences in my life as an aspiring audio engineer who keeps me going. Dan just gives you amazing knowledge. Anyone else will try to charge you $150+ for a half-assed “masterclass”, which usually ends up as a gloating session for a lot of producers. Shit you not I paid $100 to learn from an artist I used to look up to and everytime I asked a question I’d get “idk what I’m doing I just fill out the frequency spectrum” 🤡
Even though, half the time I don't know what you're talking about, it's strangely hypnotic and really interesting. One day it'll all click into place. Keep them coming. One of the best channels on RUclips
i have this mindset towards a lot of things but its important to remember that it only will click into place if youre regularly actually doing work and applying the knowledge youre taking in, active learning above passive, easier said than done though, best of luck
That's because he once was a stage hypnotist, in the same sense that Mickey Mouse was a broom hypnotist in Sorcerer's Apprentice. And all the world's a stage, according to Dr Spock.
The information Dan is giving does require certain amount of basics about math and physics. And that can't be explained easily in a video, that needs studying and reading. Though, to understand this one, high school basic math is enough. I mean, we weren't really explained how you sum signals and how decibels work until high school/vocational school/ polytechnic.
For anyone using Logic that doesn't know, you can make any plugin stock or 3rd party plugin mid/side by choosing dual mono mode on a stereo track and changing it from Left/Right to Mid/Side.
one of your older videos where you demonstrated Voxengo's Sound Delay, in M/S mode, using very small delays between the mid and side (either positive or negative mid relative to side) really opened my eyes (ears?) to how beautifully you can effect the stereo field and perceived depth of a sound with such a simple adjustment. From there, as above, thinking in terms of effecting only mid or only side, or each in different ways or amounts is, as you said: Magic. "Thanks again for" creating.
If you want to give him money you can just buy one of his t-shirts or leave generous $ comments. I’m sure you mean you want a deeper course explaining everything so you are an amazing mix engineer right away. Unfortunately years worth of hard listening is required to be a good engineer, regardless of the information someone else has told you. That said, i would definitely enjoy a deeper dive series like that.
I love the education! And yes it's only a select few distortion plug-ins that has ms mode on them. It's quite inspiring on how it affects sound. Thanks Dan!
'its not so complicated, really lets write some code!' dan you're the best! for real! i am very thankful for the cheeky knowledge you implant in my brain!
Hey, Dan. The division by root(2) normalizes the linear transformation you've done of the plane, say the (L, R) plane, so that it's a 45° rotation of itself, and we might call the target the (M, S) plane, which is the same thing (just R^2, of course). Written as a linear transformation, it's the 2x2 matrix of 1s with the lower-left entry a -1 (for the inverse, it's the upper right entry as -1), but with the scalar root(2)/2 (= 1/root(2)) as a multiplier. There are a couple of interesting corollaries to this, namely, that the vertical movement of a stylus on a vinyl record is actually the mid channel (using the root(2)/2 version, that is) and the horizontal movement is the side channel. Secondly, there is a continuum of rotations of the (L, R) plane that are possible, not just 45°, which could be used exactly as mid-side is used (e.g., rotate the plane by an angle theta, do some processing, and rotate it back by -theta), and might be musically interesting. It would be absolutely trivial to write these transformations for reaper, once you have the mathematics of it conceptualized.
You are absolutely correct! You're describing the Blumlein stereophonic field. Can you please point me to more in depth information/background on this subject? Jim
Everyone said this to me when I said I wanted to start a channel sharing my knowledge. "Why give away all your secrets" They were worried because I was their best engineer/producer. But none of us progress if we don't share what we've figured out. And there's no danger anyway, the 'secret' is just 20+ years of ear training and practice there's still no short cut for that regardless of how many tricks you pass on!
what is crazy is that I have been experimenting with this since I got the non MS version of hg2 as Dan did in the giveaway earlier this year. thank you for the cool insights!
At first I was worried I was gonna have to save this video until I got into the studio to hear the differences but even on a phone this makes a huge difference and another tool I look forward to trying to exploit on my next mastering session! I’ve used lots of MS on compressors and eqs but never saturation, never really came to mind
This channel is genius and I was getting back to programming...so this is actually beyond perfect as I can do some audio coding!! And as I am a neophyte on mid side....it will be a brainiac exercise par excellonce! You're amazing.
Again... Dan is one of the few who can truly call themselves an audio ENGINEER... I've met too many who proclaim themselves to be audio engineers, but lack the scientific understanding of what the hell signal processing actually is, how human hearing and perception really works etc. But Dan... he's an ENGINEER.
would love to see an in-depth tutorial about M/S compression with an emphasis on not just what it is or how it works but *why* you'd want to do it and a few demonstrations of its possible effects. Also--the backing track is your best tune to date, IMO.
I did precisely this with JSFX years ago (including compensating the volume using the square root of 2 so I could use a single plugin for both). I'm rather chuffed to see something I worked out myself in a video from someone I respect so much.
@@jj4l Right, because that's what Dan's channel is all about, not insisting on details and getting things right, just being content with wishy-washy brushed-the-surface does-the-trick. And for what it's worth, correcting someone's incorrect use of a word is not a grammar lesson, it's a vocabulary lesson. You're welcome.
Phase is correct. First, because flipping polarity results in 180 degs phase shift. Second, because it's common usage and everyone understands the term. You're correct that I usually try to use the term polarity when that's what I'm talking about, but only because it's more specific, not because it's more correct.
I don't think he's pushing it to new places as much as he's showing how low the bar for an "audio ´engineer´ " has been for a long time... it's so often self proclaimed title thrown around by people who do not fill the requirements to call themselves engineers to impress their clients and bill more money from them. I've always hated it, for example I've met so many high earning guys that do not have a clue how compressor really works and what happens to the signal and how it's distorted by different adjustments on the front panel... they just wing it and by trial and error they find something "pleasing" without any clue what they're actually doing. To be an engineer is to be well read in math, physics and to have been spend those ~4 years after high school in higher education and to have gotten a degree. Or at least have all that knowledge expected. If you do and ask a self proclaimed audio engineer "to explain what does Nyquist Shannon Sampling Theorem say about AD converting a signal and DSP" and they look at you like "a what now??"... they're full of it. It's basics and fundamental theorem that should be understood by an Engineer. Among various, various other concepts around signals and waves. Good audio engineer also understands basics of electronics (on component level, how to make circuits and how different analog circuits work) and programming (because of DSP) and because 99% of audio is about electronics recording, altering and reproducing signals. If they don't know what "ohms law" is, or "draw me rough sketch of how mic pre-amplifier works" or "if i want to break down a sampled signal into it's constituent frequencies, what is that process called?" Almost any true Audio Engineer can do these things... they might not remember the details or be specialized on mic pre-amplifiers or DSP as such, but these are the basics that you need... I know all this stuff. I'm electronics designer, AV technician, programmer, AV service technician etc... but since I haven't done to work and gone through the higher education, i restrain myself from calling myself an engineer. And so should everyone else if they haven't done the works :)
Mid side needs to be a lot more mainstream than it is! Thanks for pushing the ball a few more yards down that field Dan. The amount of mixing I can accomplish just pulling away junk with ProQ 3 mid-band cuts continues to amaze me.
Is Dan Worrel the Jimi Hendrix of DAWs? Seriously Dan, we love your stuff and IMO it is next level. Thank you so much for sharing it. FWIW lot of us speak code. It will be like knowing how to use a compressor in the future.
Always an interesting discussion! Sum/Difference is the process and the result but that result is equivalent to the result of the Mid/Side microphone technique 😀
Ableton's 'Utility' plugin. Right click over width, and mid/side becomes a ratio. Waves StudioRack. Create parallel channels. Toggle the setting at the top of the channels (stereo, l, r, mid, side).
Holy s*** I've luckily never needed to use the Enc/Dec in MSED, I have MS plugins. I've had it for many years, of course because of you. lol But no where in the Manual does it clear up that the Side channels would be more quite than the Mono. Wow, & that's why FabFilter approaches you for them tutorials❤🔥. Loved how you said at the end "or adjust it by ear like a normal person". 👏(I'm always adjusting either way haha)
As someone with a modular synth, Mid/Side is a great way to use two different analog synth filters on a stereo source without running into accidental panning issues (because e.g. you might have two different filters instead of two perfectly calibrated ones of the same type).
Awesome! The really interesting thing is the effect that intermodulation has on the perceived stereo image; it’s a night and day difference. Maybe not right for everything but definitely worth auditioning and playing with. Fantastic as always Dan 🙏
Dan thanks a lot for this, only you would be able to explain this in such simple way and at the same time include a big nugger in the middle of the video. you rock for real.
Shoutout to Mid/Side for being easier to work with in general than L/R (unless you're mixing only acoustic audio/instruments in which case L/R is specifically very useful). I'd like to also mention Mid/Side expansion (or compression) for being very useful on all sorts of things, gating the Mid of a reverb bus more aggressively than the Side can be a useful way of making room for other elements (as is expansion/gating reverb in general).
Brilliant video. I always thought mid/side was some kind of audio voodoo that only engineers who wore aviator sunglasses and drank mead could comprehend. Thanks!
Would be cool if you could teach us how the "focus" and "field" stuff in the Mr.MS plugin works. It seems really interesting, making side information from the mids and vice versa, but it's only avalible with I-Lok so It'll sure as hell not end up on my PC.
I found M/S very early in my career, when I would try anything. Many of my recordings are either only an M/S decoded pair - usually U87 - or traditional multitrack with a featured M/S pair. There are countless advantages along the way, like a perfect center channel whether or not I have the time to make stereo. The ability to edit the microphone ‘positions’ after the fact is as close as it gets to a free lunch.
Super! Dan! Thanks to you I have gained so many useful things. this is amazing, thanks a lot! I really respect you;) In one of your videos you noticed that mixing records and live sound have different philosophy and approach. Could you expand on this topic? Could you share your knowledge of live sound? Personally for me it would be very interesting (not only because I'm your fan). Please 👍🏼 the comment if the topic is important to you too.
Ow, I missed the part, that this is the old style Black Box, the newer version has M/S on it. I always remove the toolbar on the bottom of the plugin, mostly to ignore that TMT rubbish, especially for mastering plugins that TMT crap isn't helping at all. That said, I like the Black box very much and in M/S mode it does real magic. Thanks, Dave, for pointing this one out to the Reapack stash.
Midside is my GOTO since years, not on all songs for sure but the ones i mid and side and then even sidechained the sides with the mid as the input 😂 all those tracks really sound insanely good on my IEMs
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧠 Mid/Side matrixing may sound complicated, but it's simple to implement in code using Reaper's JS programming environment. 02:12 🔊 When deriving the mid channel by adding left and right together, remember to divide the result by two to avoid clipping on the mix bus. 03:08 🎚️ To maintain the same gain in mid/side processing, divide by the square root of two instead of two in both the encoder and decoder stages. 04:30 🌟 Some stereo distortion/saturation plugins offer a mid/side mode, which can significantly affect the sound compared to traditional left/right stereo. 06:10 🔄 To achieve a normal stereo width with mid/side processing, compensate the mid channel by dividing by two in the encoder and the side channel in the decoder. 07:08 📝 If you're a Reaper user, you can find the presenter's Mid/Side matrix code in the video description for easy copy-pasting into your JS plugins. Made with HARPA AI 👍 Upvote to improve video surfing
You need your own line of plug-ins. The only thing that's missing is the sales pitch where you offer your solution. Imagine a team that had to answer directly to your standards in terms of features and ergonomics. I betcha if you crowd funded Worrall Overdrive, Worrall Custom Compressor, Worral EQ, you could offer features that as good and even more convenient than the plug-ins you review.
Is much simple if you just copy the full track and split it Copy it 2 more time In total you will have 6 mono channel 1 left to the center 2 right to the center 3 left pan hard 4 right pan to hard left phase on 5 left pan to hard right phase on 6 right pan hard Now group 2 center to Mid Group 3456 Side Done your own MidSide
Great educational video. Actually the very simple matrix (L+R)+(L-R) =2L and (L+R)-(L-R) = 2R and we get louder channels once we know it, presumably we can manage it
Love your thoughtful explorations, as ever. The vocalist on the music you used for this tutorial has a clear, soaring voice that reminds me of Annie Haslam. Who is she, and what is this music, please?
dan, man these videos are gold and the depth of your understanding is unmatched, where have you learned all this? have you figured it yourself or was it through school? i really need to know
Isn't the transition between Stereo and Mid/Side just Joint Stereo? If i remember correctly, that's encoded that way too. Well, minus the manual adjustment of gain.
Variety of sound uses mid side a lot of for his saturation algorithms. And they sound glorious imo. (he wrote the Slick EQ saturation code for Tokyo Dawn if you recognise the name btw)
Thanks for signposting variety of sound - hadn't heard of him before but it seem like really valuable freeware. Lots of 'good as/better than paid' kind of comments around it!
@@joecm you're welcome, enjoy! Been using it professionally for a decade. One of the best transformer models out there. Probably only 2nd to fabrice's work with slate imo. Very subtle stuff if you haven't got the ear for it but just very good 'flavour' gear, free or otherwise.
You are the single RUclips voice that I trust 100%. Others may be at 80-90%. And the rest are grade-E.
You are the only engineer on here that confidently demonstrates that he understands the science behind the art… and how to appropriately and masterfully apply these concepts.
You’ve leveled me up after each video, and I’m grateful.
Thank you, Mr. Worrall
You're leagues ahead of everyone else in terms of audio engineering skill, teaching skill and generosity. Thank you 🙏🙏
God Bless Dan Worrel 🙏🏻🎶🎵
God Bless President Trump🙏🏻🇺🇸
I couldn't fathom the depths, so I got relegated to this sub-commentinent...
@@JimboJones99 Dan Worrall would definitely make a very entertaining president as he would be calling everyone out for their bullshit haha
Yeah he’s easily one of the only influences in my life as an aspiring audio engineer who keeps me going. Dan just gives you amazing knowledge. Anyone else will try to charge you $150+ for a half-assed “masterclass”, which usually ends up as a gloating session for a lot of producers. Shit you not I paid $100 to learn from an artist I used to look up to and everytime I asked a question I’d get “idk what I’m doing I just fill out the frequency spectrum” 🤡
@@JimboJones99 😂😂😂
All your videos are brilliant but this one is particularly clear and elegant.
fancy seeing you here....legend
Even though, half the time I don't know what you're talking about, it's strangely hypnotic and really interesting. One day it'll all click into place. Keep them coming. One of the best channels on RUclips
i have this mindset towards a lot of things but its important to remember that it only will click into place if youre regularly actually doing work and applying the knowledge youre taking in, active learning above passive, easier said than done though, best of luck
That's because he once was a stage hypnotist, in the same sense that Mickey Mouse was a broom hypnotist in Sorcerer's Apprentice. And all the world's a stage, according to Dr Spock.
You’ll get there !
The information Dan is giving does require certain amount of basics about math and physics.
And that can't be explained easily in a video, that needs studying and reading.
Though, to understand this one, high school basic math is enough. I mean, we weren't really explained how you sum signals and how decibels work until high school/vocational school/ polytechnic.
For anyone using Logic that doesn't know, you can make any plugin stock or 3rd party plugin mid/side by choosing dual mono mode on a stereo track and changing it from Left/Right to Mid/Side.
I doubt there is many that go around with the level of audio knowledge you have mate. And using your time to share it ❤️ thank you Dan.
one of your older videos where you demonstrated Voxengo's Sound Delay, in M/S mode, using very small delays between the mid and side (either positive or negative mid relative to side) really opened my eyes (ears?) to how beautifully you can effect the stereo field and perceived depth of a sound with such a simple adjustment.
From there, as above, thinking in terms of effecting only mid or only side, or each in different ways or amounts is, as you said: Magic.
"Thanks again for" creating.
Seriously Dan, please open an academy online and just TAKE MY MONEY!
No , stay here,,I can’t afford expensive courses.
No what he's doing now is great enough
Ditto
🤣🤣👍🥇 No better way of spending your money under the sun.. better.. ever!!
If you want to give him money you can just buy one of his t-shirts or leave generous $ comments. I’m sure you mean you want a deeper course explaining everything so you are an amazing mix engineer right away. Unfortunately years worth of hard listening is required to be a good engineer, regardless of the information someone else has told you. That said, i would definitely enjoy a deeper dive series like that.
Been following you since forever. Live sound and recording guy here from Singapore. Many thanks to the work that you’re doing for the world of ours.
I love the education! And yes it's only a select few distortion plug-ins that has ms mode on them.
It's quite inspiring on how it affects sound.
Thanks Dan!
'its not so complicated, really
lets write some code!'
dan you're the best! for real! i am very thankful for the cheeky knowledge you implant in my brain!
Hey, Dan. The division by root(2) normalizes the linear transformation you've done of the plane, say the (L, R) plane, so that it's a 45° rotation of itself, and we might call the target the (M, S) plane, which is the same thing (just R^2, of course). Written as a linear transformation, it's the 2x2 matrix of 1s with the lower-left entry a -1 (for the inverse, it's the upper right entry as -1), but with the scalar root(2)/2 (= 1/root(2)) as a multiplier.
There are a couple of interesting corollaries to this, namely, that the vertical movement of a stylus on a vinyl record is actually the mid channel (using the root(2)/2 version, that is) and the horizontal movement is the side channel.
Secondly, there is a continuum of rotations of the (L, R) plane that are possible, not just 45°, which could be used exactly as mid-side is used (e.g., rotate the plane by an angle theta, do some processing, and rotate it back by -theta), and might be musically interesting. It would be absolutely trivial to write these transformations for reaper, once you have the mathematics of it conceptualized.
You are absolutely correct! You're describing the Blumlein stereophonic field. Can you please point me to more in depth information/background on this subject? Jim
Big brain post. Thank you for sharing this insight!
❤️
I particularly enjoyed your backing music in this one. The female vocals really topped it off.
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@@DanWorrall Lol I actually have that plugin myself somewhere with a few anime characters. Never used it though.
I've tried loading it since and results were laughably bad! But on that particular day with that particular mix it was just magic :)
Wow - I was thinking it was a Roland V-Synth!
Why do you give us all these incredible tricks? I’m so grateful
Everyone said this to me when I said I wanted to start a channel sharing my knowledge.
"Why give away all your secrets"
They were worried because I was their best engineer/producer.
But none of us progress if we don't share what we've figured out.
And there's no danger anyway, the 'secret' is just 20+ years of ear training and practice there's still no short cut for that regardless of how many tricks you pass on!
I've become addicted to the dopamine hit when a video does well. It's like a computer game :)
what is crazy is that I have been experimenting with this since I got the non MS version of hg2 as Dan did in the giveaway earlier this year. thank you for the cool insights!
At first I was worried I was gonna have to save this video until I got into the studio to hear the differences but even on a phone this makes a huge difference and another tool I look forward to trying to exploit on my next mastering session! I’ve used lots of MS on compressors and eqs but never saturation, never really came to mind
Just when I think I’ve got an okay grasp of mixing concepts. Dan releases a video.. Thank you.
This channel is genius and I was getting back to programming...so this is actually beyond perfect as I can do some audio coding!! And as I am a neophyte on mid side....it will be a brainiac exercise par excellonce!
You're amazing.
No better way to start a sunday afternoon then with a bowl of cereal, a spliff and a new dan worall video.
Again... Dan is one of the few who can truly call themselves an audio ENGINEER... I've met too many who proclaim themselves to be audio engineers, but lack the scientific understanding of what the hell signal processing actually is, how human hearing and perception really works etc.
But Dan... he's an ENGINEER.
would love to see an in-depth tutorial about M/S compression with an emphasis on not just what it is or how it works but *why* you'd want to do it and a few demonstrations of its possible effects. Also--the backing track is your best tune to date, IMO.
Best channel ever ❤️ grateful for you and your work and immense knowledge that you’re sharing
He's the Magnus Carlsson of the music industry
I did precisely this with JSFX years ago (including compensating the volume using the square root of 2 so I could use a single plugin for both).
I'm rather chuffed to see something I worked out myself in a video from someone I respect so much.
Another interesting trick for saturation plugins is to invert the phase of one channel before the plugin and invert it back after the output.
I'm intrigued, what is the sonic effect of this trick?
Polarity, not phase. If you inverted the phase, the signal would be running backwards. :)
@@1b2m if someone understand something as phrase and you got what they meant then quit the fake grammar lesson
@@jj4l Right, because that's what Dan's channel is all about, not insisting on details and getting things right, just being content with wishy-washy brushed-the-surface does-the-trick. And for what it's worth, correcting someone's incorrect use of a word is not a grammar lesson, it's a vocabulary lesson. You're welcome.
Phase is correct. First, because flipping polarity results in 180 degs phase shift. Second, because it's common usage and everyone understands the term.
You're correct that I usually try to use the term polarity when that's what I'm talking about, but only because it's more specific, not because it's more correct.
every time you upload bro thats like a second birthday
Saved this to my private playlist for future reference; great work Dan!
When you hit like, and comment, during the pre-roll ad... Keep doing what you do man, we love it!.. 🙏
Dan once again pushing the audio engineering boat out to new and beautiful places
I don't think he's pushing it to new places as much as he's showing how low the bar for an "audio ´engineer´ " has been for a long time... it's so often self proclaimed title thrown around by people who do not fill the requirements to call themselves engineers to impress their clients and bill more money from them.
I've always hated it, for example I've met so many high earning guys that do not have a clue how compressor really works and what happens to the signal and how it's distorted by different adjustments on the front panel... they just wing it and by trial and error they find something "pleasing" without any clue what they're actually doing.
To be an engineer is to be well read in math, physics and to have been spend those ~4 years after high school in higher education and to have gotten a degree. Or at least have all that knowledge expected.
If you do and ask a self proclaimed audio engineer "to explain what does Nyquist Shannon Sampling Theorem say about AD converting a signal and DSP" and they look at you like "a what now??"... they're full of it. It's basics and fundamental theorem that should be understood by an Engineer. Among various, various other concepts around signals and waves.
Good audio engineer also understands basics of electronics (on component level, how to make circuits and how different analog circuits work) and programming (because of DSP) and because 99% of audio is about electronics recording, altering and reproducing signals. If they don't know what "ohms law" is, or "draw me rough sketch of how mic pre-amplifier works" or "if i want to break down a sampled signal into it's constituent frequencies, what is that process called?"
Almost any true Audio Engineer can do these things... they might not remember the details or be specialized on mic pre-amplifiers or DSP as such, but these are the basics that you need...
I know all this stuff. I'm electronics designer, AV technician, programmer, AV service technician etc... but since I haven't done to work and gone through the higher education, i restrain myself from calling myself an engineer.
And so should everyone else if they haven't done the works :)
or you could just spring for the Blackbox HG-MS plug. LOL, just bustin on ya Dan. You're the best!
That was really beautiful - I have no idea why this coding example has helped me understand mid/side, since I do not ever code.
So much of your material rewards revisiting
M/S makes a huge difference. Great tip. Thanks man!
the M / S technique is very interesting and very important. Very important
As always, perfect timing. Just ran my new culture vulture in m/s, it's incredible
LOVE the ethereal vocals on this track man!
Mid side needs to be a lot more mainstream than it is! Thanks for pushing the ball a few more yards down that field Dan. The amount of mixing I can accomplish just pulling away junk with ProQ 3 mid-band cuts continues to amaze me.
thats cause the pros know using Mid side eq on everything ruins your sound....
Is Dan Worrel the Jimi Hendrix of DAWs? Seriously Dan, we love your stuff and IMO it is next level. Thank you so much for sharing it. FWIW lot of us speak code. It will be like knowing how to use a compressor in the future.
Dan’s videos make me happy, part 2
Didnt expect to get a lesson in coding but it is what these options run on. Thx for the in depth review.
Note that Reaper already comes with m/s encoder and decoder in JS by default.
I still think that Sum/Difference is the better terminology… but it seems that the only ones who agree with me are Tokyo Dawn Labs in their plugins 😅
Always an interesting discussion! Sum/Difference is the process and the result but that result is equivalent to the result of the Mid/Side microphone technique 😀
I love that this starts with you writing a plugin _in the DAW's built in plugin editor._ Try that in any other DAW but REAPER.
Mid-side is easy in FL, using Patcher, and I pretty much use it on every sound I want wide. Fruity Stereo Shaper does a really good job with that.
Never thought I'd be getting a basic coding lesson in a music production video but here I am.
Ableton's 'Utility' plugin. Right click over width, and mid/side becomes a ratio.
Waves StudioRack. Create parallel channels. Toggle the setting at the top of the channels (stereo, l, r, mid, side).
Holy s*** I've luckily never needed to use the Enc/Dec in MSED, I have MS plugins. I've had it for many years, of course because of you. lol But no where in the Manual does it clear up that the Side channels would be more quite than the Mono. Wow, & that's why FabFilter approaches you for them tutorials❤🔥. Loved how you said at the end "or adjust it by ear like a normal person". 👏(I'm always adjusting either way haha)
Always a bright spot in my day when you post a new video. Thanks!
As someone with a modular synth, Mid/Side is a great way to use two different analog synth filters on a stereo source without running into accidental panning issues (because e.g. you might have two different filters instead of two perfectly calibrated ones of the same type).
Really like the song you wrote for backing this video, I think you've used it before. Either way, it's a keeper!
This is why the vertigo and black box are sooooo goood
Dan: mid/side is really easy
Dan 1 second later: let's write some code!
:DDDDDDDD
Awesome! The really interesting thing is the effect that intermodulation has on the perceived stereo image; it’s a night and day difference. Maybe not right for everything but definitely worth auditioning and playing with. Fantastic as always Dan 🙏
My head is spinning; will have to watch this a few times, lol.
Thanks professor Worrall! :)
And just like that I finally understand what mid-side even is
Dan thanks a lot for this, only you would be able to explain this in such simple way and at the same time include a big nugger in the middle of the video. you rock for real.
Thank you Dan. I've used the MS JS plugin that already comes with Reaper but I'm surly gonna test yours. Much appreciated.
Useful information as always, thanks! Also liking the track in the background alot😃
Shoutout to Mid/Side for being easier to work with in general than L/R (unless you're mixing only acoustic audio/instruments in which case L/R is specifically very useful).
I'd like to also mention Mid/Side expansion (or compression) for being very useful on all sorts of things, gating the Mid of a reverb bus more aggressively than the Side can be a useful way of making room for other elements (as is expansion/gating reverb in general).
This is what I love about my elysia karacter.
in reason i have a ms matrix using the two Thor synths lol. Nice point about where to put the gain compensation
Really cool track ! (And very interesting content as always)
Brilliant video. I always thought mid/side was some kind of audio voodoo that only engineers who wore aviator sunglasses and drank mead could comprehend. Thanks!
Would be cool if you could teach us how the "focus" and "field" stuff in the Mr.MS plugin works. It seems really interesting, making side information from the mids and vice versa, but it's only avalible with I-Lok so It'll sure as hell not end up on my PC.
Been waiting for this, thank you sir!
I found M/S very early in my career, when I would try anything. Many of my recordings are either only an M/S decoded pair - usually U87 - or traditional multitrack with a featured M/S pair. There are countless advantages along the way, like a perfect center channel whether or not I have the time to make stereo. The ability to edit the microphone ‘positions’ after the fact is as close as it gets to a free lunch.
Wonderful piece you wrote.
Super! Dan! Thanks to you I have gained so many useful things. this is amazing, thanks a lot! I really respect you;)
In one of your videos you noticed that mixing records and live sound have different philosophy and approach. Could you expand on this topic?
Could you share your knowledge of live sound? Personally for me it would be very interesting (not only because I'm your fan).
Please 👍🏼 the comment if the topic is important to you too.
Voxegeno the best plugins ;)
This finally explained to me how mid side actually works. I thought it was physics black magic but it’s just audio engineering.
Yesterday your "Delta" bus saved my life 😁
Can't wait to see this video 😊
Man, you make some cool friggin music
Ow, I missed the part, that this is the old style Black Box, the newer version has M/S on it. I always remove the toolbar on the bottom of the plugin, mostly to ignore that TMT rubbish, especially for mastering plugins that TMT crap isn't helping at all. That said, I like the Black box very much and in M/S mode it does real magic. Thanks, Dave, for pointing this one out to the Reapack stash.
Midside is my GOTO since years, not on all songs for sure but the ones i mid and side and then even sidechained the sides with the mid as the input 😂 all those tracks really sound insanely good on my IEMs
Thanks. Grateful as always for your sharing.
Thank you Dan! Your knowledge is huuge!
Priceless...
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🧠 Mid/Side matrixing may sound complicated, but it's simple to implement in code using Reaper's JS programming environment.
02:12 🔊 When deriving the mid channel by adding left and right together, remember to divide the result by two to avoid clipping on the mix bus.
03:08 🎚️ To maintain the same gain in mid/side processing, divide by the square root of two instead of two in both the encoder and decoder stages.
04:30 🌟 Some stereo distortion/saturation plugins offer a mid/side mode, which can significantly affect the sound compared to traditional left/right stereo.
06:10 🔄 To achieve a normal stereo width with mid/side processing, compensate the mid channel by dividing by two in the encoder and the side channel in the decoder.
07:08 📝 If you're a Reaper user, you can find the presenter's Mid/Side matrix code in the video description for easy copy-pasting into your JS plugins.
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You need your own line of plug-ins. The only thing that's missing is the sales pitch where you offer your solution. Imagine a team that had to answer directly to your standards in terms of features and ergonomics. I betcha if you crowd funded Worrall Overdrive, Worrall Custom Compressor, Worral EQ, you could offer features that as good and even more convenient than the plug-ins you review.
goes crazy
I split the audio into a mid and side channel before it goes to the master bus. So I can process the mid and side signal separately with any plugin.
What plugin do you use to do that?
@@UPPERKELLER Isol8 (TB Pro Audio) - it's free
Incredible... I'd try it with Fruity Patcher.
Mid-side independent compression can be a fun approach for tracks or busses ;3
Its weird though :P
U-HE Presswerk has mid-side built in ;3
Is much simple if you just copy the full track and split it
Copy it 2 more time
In total you will have 6 mono channel
1 left to the center
2 right to the center
3 left pan hard
4 right pan to hard left phase on
5 left pan to hard right phase on
6 right pan hard
Now group 2 center to Mid
Group 3456 Side
Done your own MidSide
This is genius how have I not thought of it before!
I would have never known this… another tool I can add to my engineering 💼. Thank you
I need more lessons on m/s mixing, Dan, if you haven’t made a beginner tutorial on m/s processing,pls make one! I need to know how this works.
Great educational video. Actually the very simple matrix (L+R)+(L-R) =2L and (L+R)-(L-R) = 2R and we get louder channels once we know it, presumably we can manage it
I just come to this videos beucause of Dan's voice.
But which side are you going to take? The mid side or the side side?
You don't need to be a Reaper user to use this method, JSFX works in any daw, will definitely be giving it a go in Studio One
every time i see a tutorial like this from you my brain literally explodes
If your brain has literally exploded, I recommend you make an urgent appointment to see a plugin doctor.
Love your thoughtful explorations, as ever. The vocalist on the music you used for this tutorial has a clear, soaring voice that reminds me of Annie Haslam. Who is she, and what is this music, please?
Music: check the description for a bandcamp link. The singer is here: www.plogue.com/products/alter-ego.html ;)
A synthesized vocal? Holy cow!
dan, man these videos are gold and the depth of your understanding is unmatched, where have you learned all this? have you figured it yourself or was it through school? i really need to know
No schooling. I dived in and learnt on the job.
Dan is a God 🙏🏻
When my hobby audio engineering meets my profession software development
Isn't the transition between Stereo and Mid/Side just Joint Stereo? If i remember correctly, that's encoded that way too. Well, minus the manual adjustment of gain.
YOU are magic, this videos are incredibly helpful!!
Variety of sound uses mid side a lot of for his saturation algorithms. And they sound glorious imo. (he wrote the Slick EQ saturation code for Tokyo Dawn if you recognise the name btw)
Thanks for signposting variety of sound - hadn't heard of him before but it seem like really valuable freeware. Lots of 'good as/better than paid' kind of comments around it!
@@joecm you're welcome, enjoy! Been using it professionally for a decade.
One of the best transformer models out there. Probably only 2nd to fabrice's work with slate imo.
Very subtle stuff if you haven't got the ear for it but just very good 'flavour' gear, free or otherwise.
Love you Dan! You're my kind of engineer
Love the video, gave me a laugh for the coding. If you can tell me why you decide to code, I would love to know