When Tom was an Irish revolutionary, he would have called Mary a coward because he wouldn't have cared about her. Here, he calls her a coward because he cares about her.
Finally someone said it to her face, Mary was just such a one-dimensional character running after her inheritance on her high horse without any actual merit, loved that Edith finally had the better ending with an actual career she carved out for herself
Edith was wrong not to tell Bertie, but with her luck can you blame her? She's always waiting for the second shoue to drop. Never has anything in her life went well. She loved her cousin who was Mary's fiance, she loved sir Anthony who Mary chased away with a lie, he late abandoned her at the altar, Michael, the only person who saw her died getting a divorse to marry her and then Bertie who was so good he seemed like a dream even without the title.
I agree with everything but one point: Sir Anthony Strallen decided by himself that he wanted Edith to be happy with someone younger and to have a full life without being burdened with an old and handicapped husband. He was very selfless in that way which only showed how much he cared for Edith. Mary is not to be blamed for that.
@@Celisar1I know Anthony loved Edith very much and wanted the best for her but he really choose the wrong time to take his decision. For a girl like Edith with low self esteem, being left at the wedding altar is nothing worse than getting stabbed in the chest.
@@kapilshastryyeah. But i kind of feel it made her better. Like she is not so desperate after that. Before this a man, any man just had to smile at her to make her run after him. But when dhe finally gives up this desperation to be loved, she ends being someone who is very admirable.
I do not think it has been shown enough how difficult Edith's situation was, what she went through and is in, how much pain she had held since the father of her daughter disappeared, yes she got a flat in London and a business as a reward, but the suffering of a mother that needs to hide pregnancy, etc, and be betrayer for her own sister in that way. so sad. glad at the end all went well for her.
@@harringt100 Maybe, but even today some men would run away- let alone an aristocrat 100 year ago at a time when being an aristocrat daughter who had a child out of wedlock could be the death of your reputation for good- (remember when Edith told Cora she had considered going to the US and ditch her title and pretend to be a window so she and Marigold could be together because no one would know who she is there.
I'd have wanted Tom to say "you'd have broken Sybil's heart, she believed in her big sister so much, she'd have been so disappointed." Just to really kick her
@@bronwyn9082 That would be out of character because A he would never be so low as to use sybil against her. B His intention is not to kick her or hurt her as much as possible. It's to scold her, to help her see she crossed a line and needs to be better then this. Tom may be angry here but he loves Mary all the same.
I always thought Mary was an overrated character. She had a flat personality, wasn't the prettiest of the three sisters, never had a lot of ambition and just seemed like a snobbish person to avoid. The characters around her were so full of inherent goodness, but she was just an entitled demon.
Agree 100%. And Mary knew that she is not all that and Edith is a better person than she ever will be, that is why she tried to put her down constantly. You do not try to put down people who you consider to be below you. Like Tom said, she is a coward and a bully, hated her character. The only good things she did were for Anna but that did not make up for the way she treated poor Edith in my eyes.
'Don't demean yourself by trying to justify your venom' 'Still, he got away from you. Which is something to give thanks for, I suppose' This was such a long time coming from Edith.
Loved that Edith came out on top, literally, by the end of the series - as a marchioness, she even outranked her parents who were always blatant in their favouritism towards their other daughters.
@@dreamsteddybearsmaster Edith is very much mature. Even what she says to Mary in such a bitter moment is nuanced and balanced. She has just lost the man she loves but she is still able to think of other people and tells Mary that this race driver is perfect for her. She doesn’t just go overboard with hating on Mary despite her loss. That is mature.
@@dreamsteddybearsmasterEdith knew the potential ruin Marigold could bring the family . She was sensible to be honest . Mature The sad thing is " wards" were often illegitimate children of the woman or man In upper class families. Or a close relative/ freind .
@Celisar1 exactly! The Edith from early seasons would have not perhaps made the acknowledgement of Henry being perfect for Mary. She would have only focused on the harm Mary had done to her...but by this final season Edith has matured and can see the bigger picture.
Really!😃Honestly, this is news to me. That being said, I wouldn't have liked that. Tom and Sybill had a profound and true love. So if Tom and Mary had gotten together, that wouldn't have sat right with me. Not to mention, getting together with your sister's husband, nope!
Mary already got just deserts over that years ago when she got that guy that Edith wanted to disappear. Edith supported Mary through many things after that including supporting her through Matthew being missing
Which has been served at the end of Season 1 Episode 7 when Mary poisons Anthony Strallan's mind. He wanted to propose to Edith. She made him believe she didn't want him and actually mocked him behind his back.
That was in season 1, when Edith was 20 and getting back at Mary after a childhood of what I can only imagine was misery and getting put down at her hands. Mary was perfectly happy to marry Patrick just to inherit even though she didn't love him and knew full well that Edith did. She even complained in front of Edith about having to mourn him, that's how little she cared about him dying and Edith's feelings. Mary also got plenty of revenge over the years, including lying to Strallan and chasing him away. Now it's 13 years later and everyone has matured, including Edith, but Mary, a 34 year old woman, is still spiteful and immature and ruining her sister's life.
Mary not only hurt Edith but also Marigold, her own niece, an inocent child that deserved no harm. Mary had no business revealing the child´s parentage.
"like all bullies you're a coward" truer words never been spoken
@OXex_reclaier good on Tom Branson my favourite character
“How many lives are you going to wreck, just to smother your own misery?” Incredible writing, incredible delivery. Highlight of the whole show.
Still true today. Espeically on twitter
When Tom was an Irish revolutionary, he would have called Mary a coward because he wouldn't have cared about her. Here, he calls her a coward because he cares about her.
Exactly right.
Don't lie to me
You're mistaken. Has nothing to do with being uncaring or caring, it was Tom's enough is enough & expressed it truthfully. As Edith also did.
@@zyxw2024well said to my favourite character Tom Branson
Very well said, felt and agree 😢
I’ve always loved this scene with Tom shutting Mary up. Well said!
Me too totally put her in her place.
Listen to me
serves her right- she gone too far. Cybil would turn her grave.
Mary out ranks Tom. but he is the only one who really can put her in her place
Tom is like a brother to both Mary & Edith
Well, he is.
Ok
If only he had been like this when Sybil was alive.
@@rkh7360Bonds need time to strengthen & form
@@rkh7360Sybil would agree with Edith
Finally someone said it to her face, Mary was just such a one-dimensional character running after her inheritance on her high horse without any actual merit, loved that Edith finally had the better ending with an actual career she carved out for herself
Edith was wrong not to tell Bertie, but with her luck can you blame her? She's always waiting for the second shoue to drop. Never has anything in her life went well. She loved her cousin who was Mary's fiance, she loved sir Anthony who Mary chased away with a lie, he late abandoned her at the altar, Michael, the only person who saw her died getting a divorse to marry her and then Bertie who was so good he seemed like a dream even without the title.
I agree with everything but one point: Sir Anthony Strallen decided by himself that he wanted Edith to be happy with someone younger and to have a full life without being burdened with an old and handicapped husband. He was very selfless in that way which only showed how much he cared for Edith. Mary is not to be blamed for that.
@@Celisar1I know Anthony loved Edith very much and wanted the best for her but he really choose the wrong time to take his decision.
For a girl like Edith with low self esteem, being left at the wedding altar is nothing worse than getting stabbed in the chest.
@@kapilshastryyeah. But i kind of feel it made her better. Like she is not so desperate after that. Before this a man, any man just had to smile at her to make her run after him. But when dhe finally gives up this desperation to be loved, she ends being someone who is very admirable.
That was a long time coming. Well done Edith
I do not think it has been shown enough how difficult Edith's situation was, what she went through and is in, how much pain she had held since the father of her daughter disappeared, yes she got a flat in London and a business as a reward, but the suffering of a mother that needs to hide pregnancy, etc, and be betrayer for her own sister in that way. so sad. glad at the end all went well for her.
She really should have told Bertie though. Probably the same night he proposed. She was a little bit of a coward herself.
@@harringt100
Maybe, but even today some men would run away- let alone an aristocrat 100 year ago at a time when being an aristocrat daughter who had a child out of wedlock could be the death of your reputation for good- (remember when Edith told Cora she had considered going to the US and ditch her title and pretend to be a window so she and Marigold could be together because no one would know who she is there.
Wow! I love Tom and can only imagine what Sybil would have said...
@bronwyn9082 Sybil would agree with Tom
I'd have wanted Tom to say "you'd have broken Sybil's heart, she believed in her big sister so much, she'd have been so disappointed." Just to really kick her
@@bronwyn9082 That would be out of character because A he would never be so low as to use sybil against her. B His intention is not to kick her or hurt her as much as possible. It's to scold her, to help her see she crossed a line and needs to be better then this. Tom may be angry here but he loves Mary all the same.
I always thought Mary was an overrated character. She had a flat personality, wasn't the prettiest of the three sisters, never had a lot of ambition and just seemed like a snobbish person to avoid. The characters around her were so full of inherent goodness, but she was just an entitled demon.
Agree 100%. And Mary knew that she is not all that and Edith is a better person than she ever will be, that is why she tried to put her down constantly. You do not try to put down people who you consider to be below you. Like Tom said, she is a coward and a bully, hated her character. The only good things she did were for Anna but that did not make up for the way she treated poor Edith in my eyes.
It was not Mary's place to tell it to Bertie about Edith's child.
'Don't demean yourself by trying to justify your venom'
'Still, he got away from you. Which is something to give thanks for, I suppose'
This was such a long time coming from Edith.
At last! Somebody treats her the way she deserves 😏
finally what she deserved
I have always loved Edith. Always on the outside.
Loved that Edith came out on top, literally, by the end of the series - as a marchioness, she even outranked her parents who were always blatant in their favouritism towards their other daughters.
*Mary deserved every bit of that.*
you are not a princess, just a mere lady.
Tom and edith are mature
Edith not so much. Tom definitely after he met Sybil. But she died way too soon even if it gave their beloved daughter her life!
@@dreamsteddybearsmaster
Edith is very much mature.
Even what she says to Mary in such a bitter moment is nuanced and balanced.
She has just lost the man she loves but she is still able to think of other people and tells Mary that this race driver is perfect for her.
She doesn’t just go overboard with hating on Mary despite her loss.
That is mature.
@@dreamsteddybearsmasterEdith knew the potential ruin Marigold could bring the family . She was sensible to be honest . Mature
The sad thing is " wards" were often illegitimate children of the woman or man In upper class families. Or a close relative/ freind .
@Celisar1 exactly! The Edith from early seasons would have not perhaps made the acknowledgement of Henry being perfect for Mary. She would have only focused on the harm Mary had done to her...but by this final season Edith has matured and can see the bigger picture.
Mary was such a nasty character... I wonder if one put on a balance all the harm she did against the good what the outcome would be...
In order for her to reach some sort of karmic realignment, she'd probably have to jump feet first into a woodchipper.
It’s been years and I still can’t quite believe we got the b-word in Downton… 🤭
I agree with tom on this
I think Edith was better looking. Mary's features quite flat.
Whoa! A coward
Let's not forget what Edith did all do to Mary.
Once
A lot of people wanted Tom and Mary to get together, what do you think @Watevs
Really!😃Honestly, this is news to me. That being said, I wouldn't have liked that. Tom and Sybill had a profound and true love. So if Tom and Mary had gotten together, that wouldn't have sat right with me. Not to mention, getting together with your sister's husband, nope!
@@downtonabbey1786 era muy amigos y cuñados
The only good sister died. Mary and Edith sucked
They play the characters well great acting ❤
Maybe rewatch the show?
Sybil wasn't that good
Considering Edith tried to ruin Mary with the affair with the Turkish ambassador, I can''t help but feel 'just desserts' have been served.
Mary already got just deserts over that years ago when she got that guy that Edith wanted to disappear. Edith supported Mary through many things after that including supporting her through Matthew being missing
Which has been served at the end of Season 1 Episode 7 when Mary poisons Anthony Strallan's mind. He wanted to propose to Edith. She made him believe she didn't want him and actually mocked him behind his back.
That was in season 1, when Edith was 20 and getting back at Mary after a childhood of what I can only imagine was misery and getting put down at her hands. Mary was perfectly happy to marry Patrick just to inherit even though she didn't love him and knew full well that Edith did. She even complained in front of Edith about having to mourn him, that's how little she cared about him dying and Edith's feelings. Mary also got plenty of revenge over the years, including lying to Strallan and chasing him away. Now it's 13 years later and everyone has matured, including Edith, but Mary, a 34 year old woman, is still spiteful and immature and ruining her sister's life.
Mary not only hurt Edith but also Marigold, her own niece, an inocent child that deserved no harm. Mary had no business revealing the child´s parentage.
@@XxEvilTiggerxXperfectly summarized.
They're all awful people, especailly Tom.
Really? Tom wasn't an aristocrat and probably grew the most out of the family
Hello, I’m Mary, Mary MUYHT!
You can catch me out in the stables with the 37 groomsmen showing them how to roll in the hay!
WTF?😮