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can I just say, this video is truly amazing. I am a mason from the UK, in the very early steps of doing what you are doing but with sonic drilling! I think you are 100% on the mark here... these people were master masons and craftsmen, i see it as some of the first great industrual booms after farming and agriculture took off, before the politics, and before when it was simple time... people spent entire lifetimes perfecting the craft... and you managed a amazing example from a few attempts.. i take my hat off to you!
@@nataliee5501 We don't know how they did it. And even this video gives no real answer to this question. You can do it this way, yes. But it not has the same quality as the original artefacts. So I'm not convinced. But I also don't believe in Laser and Sound.
I was really impressed by the effort and the results. If the carver is this video spent her whole life working in this media and perfected this craft, with the work of generations before her to build upon, obviously her efficiency and production would increase dramatically. I also agree that doing what she did, although honestly impressive, with a relatively soft rock does not necessarily equate with what could be done with granite or diorite. All in all though I was impressed with the effort. We need more people trying to actually replicate the amazing finds from ancient Egypt instead of just arguing about how they were made.
@@SomeGuy-sj1ly bet you would have said that vase was impossible but as soon as someone tries for the first time in maybe 2000 years to make a vase using basic tools and because their first attempt isn’t exactly like the Egyptians it’s impossible? I bet you’re the kind of person that thinks that unless someone completely rebuilds the great pyramid that you won’t be convinced it was made by Egyptians. This is god of the Gaps for advanced list civilization folks. Egyptians were making artifacts for 1000s of years and because we can’t replicate the art in 1 or 2 tries it’s impossible? Childish.
@@ivayloivanov3744 Ok. But anyway, I've seen enough to now believe those ancient high tech channels are hiding the flaws lol I thought maybe at least they were being honest with the precision. Those things are not even precise and the handles are not exactly symmetrical either. They are faking their measurements, that proves they are deliberately lying. I used to think maybe they honestly believe what they say. NOPE!
It took her 6 to 8 hours a day for 6 months to make that vase. That seems a bit long for an artisan. An artist? yes. A craftsman? How could he live, if he could produce only 2 stone vases a year?
@@stuffnuns well if their craft was specifically making these stone vases then yes it's entirely reasonable to assume they were paid well for their work. It wasnt an uncommon practice throughout history for the wealthy to hire artisans and craftsman and give them a place to live while they worked on their craft for them. This isnt some common jar. Its very much a work of art that could have taken years to make.
@@stuffnuns 6 месяцев это заняло у девушки, которая впервые занимается подобным. А теперь представьте человека, который занимается этим всю жизнь. У него больше навыков я думаю
Yes, because as we all know corbeling together giant granite blocks into crude load bearing ceilings that distribute a minimal amount of weight while providing limited space is a key techno signature of all precision industries. Look man, if you have giant lath & saw cutting machines and you can’t make a simple arch, you’re r*tarded. So, either a r*tarded lost ancient civilization made all this stuff with machines that fell out of the sky from aliens, or maybe you don’t need an industry if everyone in that civilization makes their own vases, because those people & their ancestors had been working that exact type of stone for millennia. You can’t waltz through history with your 21st century perspective. None of it will make sense to you, and you’ll never learn anything.
Such as? I think you people should research what hardness actually means on the molecular level. What kind of structures theyre made out of. Granite isnt titanium or mixed industrial metals. Granite can be hurt just throwing a simple rock at it with tons of force. Such as a cata or trebuchet. Yet they should be hard right, those rocks shouldnt destroy granite, right? Heck I can scratch a granite block using a regular stone, using my pressure and power. Wrong. Saltwater, water, sand, coarse sand, any kind of rock and friction can beat anything. Because friction releases a lot of kinetic energy and water makes the friction easier. Increasing the speed/kinetic energy to damage anything. Heck, boats have issues with salt water because it damages the metal over time. Because salt water, especially extremely dissolved ones strip away electrodes and shaves the metal using ions. Its friction upon friction with properties of the material. Thus sand, water and friction shaves. But they also had diamonds, iron, copper and all kinds of crystals.
I ll disagree , images and hieroglyphics depict this basic method she deployed for carving the vases. To me with more hands working in rotations in an efficient system of management and time these carvings could be achieved
@@cryptofxalgorithms When the egyptians tell you that they inherited their culture and all the most impressive structures where built at first and they only get worse as their civlization matures, you dimiss it, but when you see a hieroglyph you think you know exactly what it means. Isnt that strange?
They can't do it in granite,this one was marble a soft stone easy to work with. What would they use to do one in granite that shows in the archeological record ?
If soft marble took 6 months, a Granite replica would take 6 years. Whereas one made of wood would take closer to 6 hours. One just needs to engage brain and think what late bronze age peoples would have preferred to do given their rather limited resources and other priorities.
Thank You so much for this video, It shows just how clever our ancestors were....Tremendous amount of man hours and patience...Really shows the craftsmanship of the people of the past.
Marble hardness is 3 on Mohs scale. copper is 3, iron is 4 Granite bowls of Ancient Egypt are 6 on Mohs scale Serapeum Sarcophagus inside cut is impossible with lathe or discs, it's 90 degree angles on 3 axes.
@@criztu Not impossible....watch the video from Scientists against myths where a lady actually did grind out a 90 degree corner. The Egyptians had large numbers of very skilled people who #1 knew what they were doing and #2 had the skills, knowledge and manpower needed to work the stone. You can work Hard stone, It's not easy and it's not fast work (Though I think they were able to work the stone faster than what people give them credit for) but it can be done. I hate the fact that you peoples position is basically "Egyptians were just too stupid to make extraordinary things, so it had to be Aliens" or whatever the latest myth is.
People love to make conspiracies about how ancient civilizations could cut and polish stone so well, thinking they must have had technology more advanced than we do now. The truth is they just had lots of time, manpower and experience to teach generation after generation the techniques. They certainly had clever tools that we might not know about but this woman shows that amazing things can be done with relatively simple tools and materials. And this is just one person’s experimentation and dedication to seeing it through: back then there were so many more craftsmen and workers doing the hard labor, so they could accomplish much more. Given continually improving tools and techniques over hundreds of years it’s no wonder they accomplished amazing things.
Yes. The fabrication of things was an entire industry in ancient Egypt the same as today. Also the same as today = you got what you paid for. So as an example. Egyptologists have unearthed over the years around Saqqara underground caches of mummified animals for votive offerings and as burial items = literally millions of them. Imagine what was required to create such numbers - not merely those directly involved but also those who supplied the raw materials etc.. Also among what was found there was vast variance as far as quality. Ergo for wealthier people temples offered what would be today viewed as "museum quality" pieces - while for the average public cheaper "knock-offs" could be obtained. So be it a stone vase or jewelry or building something it was a matter of time, resources devoted to the project, and the skill level of the craftsmen in question. As the example above illustrates the Egyptians were highly organized with the creation of things representing entire economies within ancient Egypt and items were created for more than just the Pharaohs. Stone sarcophagi as example have been found in the tombs of wealthy individuals as well as Pharaohs. There were castes of professional artisans creating things for Pharaohs/temples/wealthy and everyday folks and their developed skills were passed on from one generation to the next. These were not random items being made in someone's garage. They built manufactories' dedicated to creating specific items. 🤔
yeah, agreed and these conspiracy theories are so insulting to these ancient civilizations and these conspiracy dismiss their intelligence that they need modern tech to even too things
It can be done but the devil is in the detail. It is the accuracy and precision that can't be attained by hand. I've spent my life working with hand and machine tools to various tolerance levels. If measurements of those vases are legit, there is no way they are hand made
Conspiracies is an interesting word choice. How dare anyone question what you obviously know. History has been written and humans are never wrong or close minded. They can tell you how old the universe is and how long ago the dinosaurs roamed in terms of years and you can take that to the bank right? Anyway while I appreciate what she’s done here, it took her 6 months working 35 hours a week to create “1” piece of pottery out of “marble”. Understand there are uncountable pieces out there made of material that her tools just wouldn’t hold up too. Then take out your micrometer and make sure it’s perfect in every way. Sure they had lots of time and manpower but what percent of people today could create a magnificent piece of art. You can’t just teach that to anyone. A master artist could train me to draw for years. It would always be subpar. Most people just don’t possess the ability.
@ ??? For one thing those stone containers aren’t perfect in every way. For another, master craftsmen usually had apprentices or relatively unskilled laborers doing “heavy lifting” so to speak. She made one stone vase without any instruction or training. What exactly is your point? Yes ancient people might have had special tools or techniques we don’t know about yet. They didn’t have alien lasers or whatever the fuck other dumb conspiracies there are.
Not aliens, angel-human hybrids in enoch, genesis, the sumerian, Greek, hindu, and egyptian demigods. The world before the flood and asteroid impact we are but a shadow of. Humans have been around for quite a while, to think this is the only advanced stage weve reached is imo proposterous. Not that they had what we had, but they went a whole other direction
This is a really good video and shows that humans are capable of so much. Just need time, devotion and ingenuity. Wish I had seen your channel sooner. I will share. 🙂🙂👍
@@ixinor how so if the stone is so much harder. Even if it was possible it would have been imprecise an adjective which can't be used to describe a granite vase. Another thing I'd like to point out, the vases were single piece yet they still had handles which can't be produced with this method. heck even with our ''advanced'' machines we can't replicate Egyptians' precision.
@@ixinor so show me the machines we have that can produce a compound curve with an error of less than 0.01 mm and that keeps every flat surface flat with that same precision and keep all the curves and surfaces almost perfectly square... On hard stone with multiple minerals, not metals. We can measure it but not replicate it. Most engineers can't understand how they could do that, and always ask what tech they had... Little do they know a few pieces have machine like marks... but Egyptologists claim only cooper tools and stones. Search up "uncharted X" on RUclips. He covers this things with detail sometimes with experts on the field. Idk even history wise I think we are wrong. If it was them building the pyramids wouldn't they be proud to say it? Meanwhile no one found that, and they say they are a legacy civilization. Seriously who are our historians to dismiss Egyptians's history which was told by them? You wouldn't lie about your history if it's something to be proud of. Now my little theory, so the Egyptians told the story of Atlantis to Solon a greek philosopher in search of the truth and knowledge. So if he was in search of that he wouldn't be told a mith right? Well Egypt from all places was the one that knew this story too, coincidence? According to them Atlantians angered the gods and were killed in floods sent by them, roughly 11600 years before present (the trip was in 600BC and they said 9000 before that so 2600+9000). The gods live above earth and are usually associated with the sky so if the gods sent something couldn't it be an asteroid or meteor? Now you get to the younger dryas impact theory and everything lines up. Huge floods, many impacts big climate change... Not saying they are descendants from Atlantians but maybe their civilizations coexisted. And lost tech in the mass extinction event to eventually pass down the story orally to document it once they could and found the remaining structures of their old civilization. We know the sphinx has rain erosion, so it's at least 10000yo according to Robert Schoch, a geologist. All we see of ancient high tech is also in the older dynasties according to our dating. Well couldn't that pyramid be there before they found it? The sphinx was, and we have no documents of the building of such structures. In conclusion. It's impossible to assume there wasn't high tech at some point, used in buildings and small artefacts. And that tech could be older that we mostly assume.
Yes the experiment showed that it is possible to make art objects out of stone. Thank you for this experiment, she proved that it is possible to make beautiful products out of stone. The experiment also confirmed that the handmade product did not even come close to the required accuracy of real orginals, where for example the circle of the surface of the pitcher is within a tolerance of more than 0.01 mm. In the video , where the lady is machining the jug, the roundness inaccuracy is several orders of magnitude less and even more than 1 mm. And that is the mystery, how the ancient masters managed such precision.
Some of the stone jars that even the antiquities experts admit were heirloom before the old kingdom are made of granite, basalt, or other very hard stones, yet are so thin a flashlight can be seen to shine through them. I do believe this was learned skill from thousands of years of tradeskills with primitive human and animal powered tools, but with craftsmanship and material knowledge we lack today.
Yes! I think they copied works they saw/found. And that's what makes the stones and megaliths of Egypt, India, Peru and elsewhere so confusing - the copies are sometimes good but not the fantastic works in harder and larger stones of presumably older civilizations. In other words, they found prior civilization examples and began to copy them, good but not megalithic or in hard rock such as granite.
@@maau5trap273 a number of videos pointing this out on the unchartedx channel. It seems pretty obvious when you see it. 3 very distinct types of stonework in Peru. The lesser newer works often imitating the older.
@@jonezy300 I already watched the unchartedX videos on this topic and all he mentions is BS stuff, he mentions "circulars cuts" that are straight and attributes them to power tools, but shortly after he sees cuts that arent straight and still attributes them to power tools, he looks at stone work while showing imperfections that can be seen with the naked eye and says that theyre too "precise" and therefor theyre made with power tools. He sees very good stone work and says the writings on it are not as good so therefor they were later found and the egyptians claimed it ( he assumes that the workers of stones are the same people that make writings which is stupid). He talks about "precise stuff" but dont understand that the human finger can detect down to 13 Nano meter sof imperfections in surfaces that look flat and theyre not even properly measured or he just ingores the ones that are clearly showing imperfections while measuring one corner out of all the stone works. He managed to make like almost 2 hours worth of videos and managed to explain nothing or find any actual evidence for power tools. This man bases his work on fooling people so they pay for their tours. And what are you talking about in Peru? Cusco and macchu picchu are both after 1000 AD and a lot of the "downgraded" work there is from either the spaniards after 1500s or restoration work from recent times. Also you dont see spanish people or people that live in yucatan building like the mayan or their ancestor built do you? because socieites and cultures change or do you expect them to do the same thing fir thousands of years with no culture and society evolution?Youre well informed in BS but badly informed in facts
Actualy marble is max 3,6 of hardness. So it its like gypsum that has max 3.5 of hardness. Next step would be now to make it in diorite or granite, or even try to polish a small, 1m x 1m basalt surface. Do you think it is possible to make a vaze in granite and polish it? What stone could we use to polish such hard material? Still nice work. Well done!
Mohs hardness has to do with abrasives, what scratches what. Diamond is at the top of the scale but it can be smashed by materials softer on Mohs Scale, for instance window glass is at 5.5 on Mohs Scale the same as mild steel. Limestone is 4 yet glass tools would break on the first strike. Vickers or Knoop scale of hardness (toughness) more relevant to hammers and chisels but not definitive since granite has a tendency to shatter/fracture. Jade/nephrite is less than granite on mohs scale but much tougher because of the way it is structured. To polish granite Mohs scale would be of value but the golden rule is like cuts like. Diamond dust used to polish/cut diamond for instance. So granite dust will polish granite, it's the quartz that gives granite etc it's hardness of 7. The quartz in sand could also be used to polish, the large grains will break down into ever smaller pieces until small enough that the scratches invisible to the naked eye. Grit size on sandpapers for instance, to polish paint or stone etc the grit has to be 1500 or higher to give a high polish. With an abrasive such as corundum, used in ancient times to cut and polish stone as well as precious stones, the results faster. I have posted 3 experiments grinding down black granite to flat surface so that no light passes under a straight edge, 2 from saw marked and 1 from rough surface. 1.5 square feet in 30 minutes from saw marked and just over 100 minutes to do the same on rough surface. I was limited by the size of the granite pieces I was working with so that's a minimum number rather than a maximum.
@@SacredGeometryDecoded what about all the saw marks on all megalithic sides found? they are so obvious you can dismess them, and they are definitely marks of circular saws, plenty of evidence to be found everywhere. I'm not saying you can't make an object with primitive tools, but considering the scale of some objects and the accurateness, it seems they had no problem doing it so accuratly. When I'm on holiday, I find it pleasing to polish rocks on the seashore, it goes very easy if you handle the right rocks en polisch with sand and seawater, but it's a different story if you take the boxes from the sarapeum as an example. Still baffles me though.
@@petejung3122 Why does it baffle you? All you're having trouble with is the time it takes to achieve these things. So what if eqyptians used circular saws? Discs of copper aren't any harder to make than tubes of copper to drill holes with. It's not the copper that cuts, but the abrasive used. Any circular saw experiments back then were low speed tools using abrasives, and not diamond saws like we use today. So what? You confuse "accurate" with "good enough". The boxes of the Serapeum are NOT perfect, nor are they precise in any way, shape or form. They have some nicely flat surfaces on the outside, and some pretty OK surfaces on the inside. They are NOT perfect angles, perfect thicknesses, or perfect anything in fact. They are just pretty good. Why can this baffle you? It's exactly the same as what you saw here, except it was performed by skilful men who were master stone workers, and the amount of time required, while still high, was not a problem...
@@Chris.Davies what most strikes me is the declination of the objects. All the astonishing ones are all attached to the old Kingdom. I find that indeed baffling. Sorry for my opinion, but it strikes me very out of placement. So I wonder if there's more to the story than what is mainstream story line. Why is it so weird to think that there was an earlier civilisation pre flood. The evidence of an enormous cataclysm in the younger dryas boundary period is compelling. Do not forget that the modern human excisted for about 350000 years since last discoveries. So I just wonder. For me it's about the tool marks. Not all of them are explained. Almost none to be frankly. That's all. If you don't have the right tools you won't be taken on these kind of projects. That's what the middle and new kingdom obvious show us. None is megalitic of nature. Why?
to grind granite all you need is something as hard as quartz. sand would work for polishing it, and corundum would work even better since its just a step below diamond. you can also use flint or quartzite. diorite is similar in hardness to granite, with quartz being the hard substance in it. basalt is softer, so polishing it would likely be easier than granite or diorite.
impressive work, folks! shows what can be done with a bit(lot) of hard work and perseverance, for a rather long time. however, with unlimited man power.......now, lets see you replicate one of those statues in harder stone. i'll definitely be watching that video.
6 months, for a small marble vase? If you were an ancient egyptian stone vase maker and you had to do this professionally with these tools and in granite, even get it to look good not just rough... how would you prevent your brain from melting? This must have been one of the dullest jobs in existence.
6 months = doing everything herself - to include making her own tools.......... Now compare that to castes of professional craftsmen - and their assistants - who work for some "patron" + who are being supplied with the resources they require + who are provided with room & board by their patron so that they need not waste time trying to earn their daily bread etc. as that is being provided for them. p.s. - while an artisan by profession is it likely she does not make Egyptian style artifacts for a living as an ancient Egyptian craftsman would who likely made vases etc. from the time they were children until they became a master craftsmen. Thus she simply showed the process/tools work.
I was a sculptor all my life, so I know how hard sculpting stones can be so I think it is a remarkable piece you made, not quite the polish of the originals. So maybe some other months of scratching and polishing and maybe you achieve the same polishing. I think it may possible. You convinced me that it is possible to make a jar with the primitive tools you used. So after all you made one in say one year. .... And hundreds maybe thousands are found, not speaking of the many statues, sarcophagus (like the ones in Saqqara), and buildings. There is just a lack of time. It should be made in a much much faster time, and all can only be made by wél educated craftsman. And there is something else. Some of the stone jars are on a complete different scale. With a thickness of few millimeters. Mind blowing .... There is still something we are missing. It seams that the oldest jars stonework is the most complicated, the thinnest, the finest .... and later dynasties they became less in quality, thicker, .... It looks like a reverse evolution. 🤔 Normally it should be the opposite.
Except that is not the case. There are plenty of high quality late period pieces. What you see if often a pick and choose and not a fair comparison. It would be like taking a 12th century sword and then showing you an 18th century pitchfork. Obviously they could make high quality swords in the 18th century, but if you don't see it, I might be able to convince you otherwise.
@tsa3b Theres plenty out there. Some even come up for sale. RUclips doesn't like outside links, but you can find plenty of late period pieces. We also see architecture in general greatly improve and become more complex with load bearing and free standing capabilities. You're not having seen any, or just refusal to acknowledge, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, symetry has never been all that difficult to achieve and we've seen it across cultures and time.
@@AveragePickeri would like to know were i can find a video or a paper about late dynasty granite vase…. for my knowlege they went down on their quality…
@@vitorlobo631 Let's suppose they "went down in quality." (And that is an assumption you are just repeating likely from someone like Hancock or Uncharted channel.) But we will pretend it is true. So what? That doesn't really mean very much. If we were to compare the cheapest and most plentiful furniture today to that of the 1890s or even the 1960s, you might very well say that our furniture went down in quality. But so what? That doesn't mean Townsend and Goddard weren't actually making furniture, or that we somehow recessed or reversed as a culture or society. Styles change, needs change, wants and priorities change as well. Things that were once desirable aren't forever as in demand, even with things seemingly important. We don't build giant stone cathedrals anymore, and you can find churches in converted gas stations and even essentially double wide trailers. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or how it pertains to the video demonstration here.
This video shows a breccia marble vessel being created. Egyptians used various types of stone including granite. They did not inherit, they created them.
Prove via credible evidence they "found" them = or reside yourself to partaking of an ongoing self-generated fantasy ala LAHT........ p.s. - under Djoser's Pyramid was a cache of stone vessels found. Some were noted to have the names of previous Pharaohs carved on them. Now that Pharaohs "appropriated" from their predecessors is nothing new. What matters here is if the Egyptians could etch in hieroglyphs the names of a Pharaoh on a granite or similar stone vase = they obviously had the capacity to carve that stone...... - so how is making a vase out of the same so suddenly a strange thing?? Ponder that.
Impressive indeed! But have you seen how thin and precise some of the egyptian vases are! Some are almost wafer thin! Now that I'd like to see replicated!
Then pay for a family to start developing the craftsmanship with these tools and in a couple of generations it could be done. These crafts are family business and they would start at a very young age, practicing every day. You cant develop craftsmanship overnight, this is simply to demonstrate that it can be done. Same as telling someone aliens made David because none one can reproduce Michellangelos craftsmanship.
this shows that is possible even with crude tools made by these modern people who werent taught the craft. these tools here are wobbly and not well made, i could imagine with a lifetime of experience and a quality workshop with hardened copper those "wafer thin" which looks more to me like corrugated cardboard thickness, would totally be possible.
@@jzjzjzjthen why do the most impressive of the ancient works seem to diminish with time? It's as if their tech begins at its highest peak then falls off gradually as centuries/millenniums pass.
@@quantumhype9839 proof? because rome started out as a village and their greatest works, were at the peak of rome, what you said is factually incorrect and substantiated
@@jzjzjzj we're talking about ancient Egypt, not rome. Rome history is well documented, old kingdom has many mysteries, including so called lost technologies. In fact, your example of Rome is precisely what makes the greatest Egyptian works so perplexing.
Bowl looks great but working 6-8 hrs a day for 6 months on it and it only being made from marble only begs more questions than it answers. How would you do this in granite?
Our patient, creative, very intelligent and wise ancestors are constantly insulted by these ignorant modernists claiming that visitors from space made anything "made w precision!" Nonsense! Our ancestors didn't waste any time on cell phones, watching TV and making up shit! They were always busy working, building, growing, cooking, creating, studying the stars, the elements etc! All respect to them and to you two this incredible project to show that aliens did not make stone pots! Nor did they make any granite Sarcophagus! None! Please give our forefathers and mothers the respect they deserve!❤
4:51 She does in in tight tolerances the work of a CNC grinding machine even the radius of curvature and reflections. what about the individual handwork it should be different from machine work. irregularity is the strength of hand work. I would not pay much for a job that is obviously off the shelf.
@@johnwalker1553 Egyptians were obsessed with symmetry, this is about method and tools, showing that it could be done with the materials the Ancient Egyptians had available. Peace!
MrRecklessryan but she’s working with diorite or marble. The ones that leaves a mystery is the granite vases and a few made of corundum.. also the lip and body of the vase is literally paper thin.
this video reminded me how we used to carve Flintstone type furniture out of dirt clods from sharpened popsicle sticks. the sticks were sharpened on the cement sidewalk. the Troll dolls loved their "stone" furniture
After taking a close look at few of these vase's at the British Museum I was becoming convinced about hidden or forgotten tech. But after seeing your results with very simple tools it's changing the way I'm thinking. Abrasives and lots of effort are getting amazing results. Thanks for posting this.
Truly brilliant work, I used to be fully invested in the mystery of the vasework of predynastic egypt but after seeing this video you have opened me up to less extravagant possibilities!
Some of the vases found in Egypt were made from much harder stone, like granite, and the walls on some were incredibly thin. The "aliens did it" theory is silly, but it seems possible that whoever created those vessels & vases had upgraded tools.
@@bodystomp5302 The "aliens did it" is probably just a smear campaign to discredit some of the more plausible theory, one of which proposed that they were created by a more advanced human civilization long before the pre-dynastic Egyptian. And yes they must've employed some very powerful tools to create these artifacts.
@@cooljosh2307 also possible, and there is a good deal of evidence for evidence for a predynastic Egypt that it quite convincing, but certainly not conclusive. There are a number of genuine mysteries left to be solved about those ancient Egyptians
@@xisotopex i dunno the less oudlandish ones, the more mainstream ones... wdyw ELI5? I fuckin love thinking about lost civilisations and technologies, but if this fella can make such a nice bowl with these techniques then it goes a long way to resolving what many consider a historical mystery. It would be worthwhile seeing if you can use these same methods for granite. Without that proof we cannot say conclusively that the Egyptians did not have some more advanced or clever methods and tools. Never underestimate the ingenuity of ancient people, but this goes 2 ways. It means they can do impressive things with simple tools, but also could probably use that inenuity to build some pretty kick ass tools that have been lost to time.
I have been wondering the whole time how to make those handles, had some ideas in my head, but carving the shape as a full rim and reducing it down was not in my head. Amazing work, this was eye opening!
Yeah, the only problem is that this jar is made like the later (lame) jars. I want to see someone replicating the early ones that has 1-2mm wall thickness and almost transparent. It’s simply impossible with any techniqe like in this video, you would break it at the first move.
@@ВсеславВсеволодович That would be nice to see here. I can’t really see how can you not break it when applying enough force to actually carve it. The chrystals in the stone are not supported enough when you only have 1-2mm wall thickness so a sideways force would simply tear out the christals from it’s surrounding materials. I guess you can use something that has 1000x smaller particles than sand but again, it’s one bad move and it’s broken. And the tools.. for 1-2 mm wall thickness you need precision. This is something I want to see to believe.
@@tmxband yeah I thought about that too. how did they carve it? but more of that, if what they used to level the surface is pounding it to oblivion, how can you pound to a smooth level that 2 mm vase? doesn't make any sense.
Yes, are they made to such geometrical perfection that the planar deviations are within 0.1 millimeters? The deviations from flawless geometry also within 0.1 millimeters throughout the entire body of the vases? Surfaces so smooth there is not even a single grind mark visible until you scrutinize the surface under a microscope? Alignment with the central axis of the circular shape of the vase so flawless, the deviation is no greater than a sheet of paper, and the deviation from perfect geometric circle is less than a hair? Perhaps then there can be an open discussion.
Everyone forgets that emulsions are also a thing. Using water to capture the tiny grit can act to not only speed, but further smooth and refine shapes of stone like this. More than likely any stone shaping in the past was done with water
I am blown away by the amazing skill of this lady. Using only period correct tools and methods...as well as really hard work. I hope more people who think "lost technology" is how these objects were made watch this....respect and peace to ya.
For every one of those con artist channels share this video with a friend. Those 'lost ancient high technology' people are all trying to sell something. Whether it's their own merch, books, tours to ancient sites with their false crap information instead of real guides etc etc. It's all just a big con that many have used to make money on the more gullible.
Surely your not comparing this and how it was made to what the ancient Egyptians did. Some of their statues were 20 feet and taller. Did they build a gigantic wooden lathe/wheel grinder to make those too? Also, how about the symmetry the Egyptians achieved....they didn't achieve it like this! Bahahahahahahahaha...wake up!
@@chemdawg2323 Yep, and comparing soft marble to Aswan granite machined to micron level precision (in come cases in a megalithic scale) is just pure comedy, yet these people in the comments can't even see it and they've already resorted to name calling. Our species is doomed.
@@chemdawg2323 most of what the Egyptians cut very crookedly and does not have any symmetry and there is not even a right angle of 90 degrees, what the hell is "amazing accuracy" enough to lie
Beautifully done and explained, but here is the thing that I can’t wrap my head round, how are those solid granite boxes cut out precisely and placed in the pyramids. No one can explain or replicate. And there are many of them.
i think we should give our ancestors allot more credit. This is an amazing demonstration on so many levels and is also just an experiment, a very early version/method that can be improved on time and again. Our ancient ancestors obviously have far more advanced machines and methods. Perhaps they started this way too.
That is one theory that has been going around - which seems more plausible than the ancient Egyptians making them with copper chisel and primitive tools. Yet we still have no evidence of this "ancient" civilization. More explorations is needed to look for more evidence - provided that the mainstream academics think it is worth to pursue (perhaps even the governments)
Nice demonstration. Must have taken a lot of hard work. I can imagine with more thought out equipment and tools and man power you could create something very similar to the artifacts found.
These guys went to a museum and measured artifacts with simplistic tools. Imprecision was easily shown. The UnchartedX channel promotes a vase with no proven history and claims it is proof of something.
Many thanks for the in sight on how vases were made around 4000 BCE in ancient Africa pre Egypt from hard stone like marble and granite which is totally baffling process to figure out until now I am sure some pre history historians would love to watch this video.
Incredible work and dedication. But there had to be a little something more going on to reach the kind of precision we see in pre-dynastic Egyptian pieces. They were down to 1000th's in every axis. But this could be built apon to improve, who knows?
The only thing "going on" here is your parroting meaningless internet claims as if they mean something. Also allow the obvious. This individual is an artisan by trade. That however does not make them = a master at creating Egyptian style artifacts. So she demonstrated the process could create a stone vase. I'm sure if she worked with others and spent years making numerous copies of these = her technique and hence aesthetic quality would improve.
Now who's parroting? I can almost here you squawk from here. You must not have seen the tests that are being done recently on the pre-dynastic vases. For people who supposedly didn't have the wheel, didn't have the turn table, didn't have diamond tools, the results are impossible. Softer stone can be worked like this, but stone like corundum, some of the hardest stuff on the planet, you are not working it like this, I'm sorry. You really need to know what your talking about before you say someone is parroting.
Vases made out the second hardest material on Earth and yet made so thin you can shine a light through them. And tens of thousands of them. The fact is, it's so precise that you have to have fixed in place and rotating tooling to do, which the Egyptians supposedly did not have.
@@jerrykinworthy9225 The vases you're talking about are not made of corundum, plenty of them are made of soft alabaster. Can you cite a single corundum vessel?
Yes, i can cite about 40,000 of them found under the bent pyramid. You are also not in a position to have this debate, if you are asking questions like that. Alabaster vases are late kingdom, the corundum vases are pre-Dynastic, found in the tombs of some of the first kings and pharaohs of Egypt.
Nice work, But how are the ears/handles and the surface between them made? At 3:50- the handles are embedded in the outer contours of the vase, and at 3:57- the outside profile is nearly complete. How do you shape with a lahte the contour of the vase between the handles, I have a hard time understanding that? The machining grooves visible between the handles at 4:30, appear to be radial.
Really cool! I am curious, aren't most of the ancient Egyptian stone bowls made from granite though? I mean, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole reason said bowls were such a mystery is not just the precision in their making, but also the material used being too difficult to render so precisely using the copper and stone tools we know were available at the time. Does anyone know of any plans to, or has anyone already done something like this with granite or diorite? I mean no disrespect, just an honest inquiry. This video is greatly inspiring! Thank you for posting!
Yes, in this video they made a vase of marble, that is 3 on the MOHS hardness scale. Try to make the same vase with granite, 6-7 on MOHS,. There is even a vase/bowl made of Corundum in the museum in Cairo, that they said the ancient Egyptians made, it's 9 on MOHS,. it doesn't really make sense when they say they made it with copper chisels, etc., but with marble, obviously it is not so hard to do.
Not criticizing here, but you can clearly see from the video how dirt-simple the set-up is. So why not try it yourself? Any cemetery headstone maker will have tons of granite goofups and scraps to shape. As for abrasive grit, crushed granite sand could have been hand-sorted into layers (according to density) by gently shaking it in a clay bowl. One layer will be as hard as the hardest portion of the granite to be shaped and should make a perfectly suitable cutting grit ... or you could just harvest it from the banks of the Nile, already graded and ready for use. Back at the modern headstone maker's, names and dates are produced by sand blasting hard grit against the granite surface. You could probably pick up a few pounds of reay-made grit for almost nothing. You can always find wood for incidental framing and bracing just about anywhere. The whole experimental setup might cost $40.00 and require 2 or 3 weekends for a working proof of concept. A couple of points I would change from what's shown in the video - start by boring the vase interior. That can then be used to the keep the work-piece centered when shaping the exterior. This would seem to result in much improved centering of the interior and exterior forms and more uniform wall thickness, plus reduced stress on the work-piece in progress. I'm also wondering ... Since a copper tube can be used to bore a cylindrical shape, why couldn't flat copper cards or plates be used for producing a nicely finished surface on more detailed forms? The idea is very much like the shaped wood-plane blades used for decades. Victorian era homes are fine examples of the use of such blades. However, instead of moving a sharp steel blade across the surface of a wooden work piece, you'd rotate a stone work piece against a stationary grit-charged copper card that's been cut to any desired profile. Old, worn cards could be recycled by re-cutting them to new profiles or reformed to drill points, etc, etc. ... Just a brain fart.
Well, one would expect that the people, who did it back then for their entire life and for generations would be significantly better at this, than the modern people, who are pretty much just displaying the viability of the low-tech methods for the task.
I agree. Showing how one can make an imprecise but similar vase is really proof that we have no idea how they did it. The fact that many ancient granite pieces are precise is indisputable.
Truly impressive work, I appreciate you taking the time! However it needs to be mentioned that the precision (can be seen with eyes in this video) seems clearly not be on pair with what has been measured on the found Egyptian granite vases. I think your work showed how far human hands can get!
Surely the work of this artist , who taught herself these methods, can't be compared to the work of past masters who drew on generational experience. Nor should her work be compared to the scans of alleged ancient vases. Of those vases you mention, are the measurements identical for each?
Michelangelo created both the Tondo Pitti and the Pieta. The former represents a quickie commission piece intended to be sold - while the latter was created for a wealthy Cardinal's tomb. So same sculptor = yet differing aesthetic qualities reflecting the time and resources brought to bear on each project. Hence as noted by others you can not contrast an artisan today who is simply showing whereby using "primitive" tools one can in fact work stone to one who spent their lives creating such vases etc.. If this artisan lived in ancient Egypt then they would have likely spent years learning their craft and improving upon their skill level. This might have been the first Egyptian style vase this artisan made = whereas Egyptian craftsmen spent their lifetimes creating such things - their skill level improving with each iteration......... 🤨
@@varyolla435 no, the Egyptian vases are precise to within 5/10,000 of an inch, there are examples where the stone has been worked so thin the walls of the vases are translucent. Precision tools were used that surpassed the methods demonstrated in this video by orders of magnitude. It's not that someone just honed their craft, they had lathes as precise as we've only been able to recreate in the last century!
@@ZeroOneInfinity 🥱 Your "X thousands of an inch" claims = are utterly worthless....... What does an ancient Egyptian know of such measurements - think about that. More to the point they created things based upon = aesthetics - not dimensional outcomes. So your so many thousands of an inch only matter = if you desire to duplicate something using a particular method of manufacturing. Absent that whatever a craftsman creates is what they create. If you happen to measure it after the fact = Meh! Enjoy your measurements I guess.
It’s very impressive what you’ve done, carving these things with the tools you claim. They don’t look as good as the artifacts that we are told are 4000 years old. And if it takes seven months to produce one why would anybody waste their time, for one bowl over half a year? You may be on the right track, maybe not.I am impressed with the work though. I believe the vases in Egypt are quite a bit thinner also.
There were 40,000 found in Saqqara alone. That suggests a production line and probably hundreds of people involved in shifts. These were made for the elite in society so extra effort for appeasement was applied.
Great demonstration of how the rough piece can be created with primitive tech. Now carve one in diorite or granite down to 1/8" or less with extreme precision and matching outer/inner radii. Examples like this can be found in Egyptian museums.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths You're right, I can't find any reliable source showing such precision. They were able to get them extremely thin though, which seems almost magical unless they used a softening agent. Otherwise inclusions of differing density surely would have caused fracturing of the piece in such a delicate state. There are examples of perfect symmetry in ancient Egyptian statues though, so it's not impossible to achieve the same in pottery. e.g. Khafre Enthroned, Ramses II & the unfinished head of Nefertiti. I'm not saying they used high tech or that it was impossible with primitive tools; I fully agree with your assessment. I just find it fascinating that they reached such a level of perfection in their work. It's an attestment of the true scope of human ingenuity and accomplishment.
Thank you. Human ingenuity and accomplishment is truly amazing. But... The situation with "perfect symmetry" is the same as with "extreme precision", I suppose. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/видео.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths That video doesn't disprove the perfect symmetry. Actually I took photos of Khafre Enthroned & Ramses II statue and did a transparent mirror image overlay and everything lines up perfect. I can show you if you don't believe but you should try it yourself before making any claim. That doesn't mean they used high tech, just that their attention to detail was extremely fine. Again, I respect your work very much, it finally gives credit to the very skilled workers of the ancient past.
> and everything lines up perfect Some lines are very good others are good. Why make an asymmetrical statue at all? "Perfection" is a philosophical concept. > it finally gives credit to the very skilled workers of the ancient past. Yes of course. We recently returned from another trip to Egypt and are still impressed
For the argument of "high technology"... Would a drill machine, a sawing machine(for larger slabs), any sort of axial grinder, etc... regardless of how rudimentary not still count as a form of high technology when compared to simply smashing rocks together or knocking on a chisel? I mean as a machinist I recognize the similar principal in these ideas to those of a milling machine or a drill press, and a lathe.
It works but it still does not show the level of precision and smoothness that is noted in some of the ancient artefacts. The questions here is not that you can make this, but how precise.
Most of the commenters here have neither read about nor viewed any of the footage of the precision vases. There's even some that have watched and read about it multiple times but literally somehow managed to miss or forget the two take away points regarding precision and material. It's baffling how fucking stupid some people are. She is very talented. Very, very talented. But she may as well be carving a smiley face in some mushy banana for all the relevance it has to what is supposedly being debunked.
A commendable experiment to see if a vase can be hand-made. I don't know how many hours work was required to complete the task but clearly you would have found it easier with what ever tools were really used in the distant past. I think it is reasonably clear that this may have been a method for an individual household. But for mass production for a large community it does seem implausible. If you ramp up your experiment for shaping large granite stone blocks of several tons, does it sound realistic. Perhaps a present day stonemason is the person to provide evidence of such ability - I have an open mind on the matter and it would certainly be helpful to everyone interested.
6+2 months of full time work for this? If it was made volontarily it was probably combined with the other normal duties. Then we have a production time of a several years for one person. But perhaps it was the hobby of a year among the family to finish a vase during the sparetime. Lets hope noone dropped it and cracked it by mistake :)
@@johnwalker1553 If a family would do such eloborate vases to themselves in their leisure time for several years. I would rather think they would made simpler vases, and put the effort into repairing and developing their home and plantation etc.
I like that you used marble which is much softer than granite, left it WAY THICKER, and still broke and had to glue it back together. Now all the idiots will say this debunks the Egyptian vases, even though they aren't comparable.
I love you. I made a dish out of a granite stone. Although I left the "walls" an inch thick for durability it was maybe 7 inches across. I used a chisel connected to a crank wheel connected to an electric rotary tool. Jade bowls made cereal box thin were made in ancient China. I don't know for sure but packing it in concrete, carving it this way, and carefully breaking away the concrete would leave you with a beautiful but fragile expensive green jade bowl.
They actually measured one of the pre-dynastic vases (aerospace engineers), using a 250.000$ 3D scanner and modern measuring devices. the symmetry of the vase and the accuracy of the surfaces to each other is in a tolerance spectrum, thinner than a human hair. They found about 40.000 of them piled up in the cache at Saqqara. Can you make one this precise please.
@@darklight2.1 difficult to measure all of them, since they won't allow to do so,...and while we're at it, which areas exactly did not meet the tolerances? Sheep.
@@darklight2.1 I downloaded and even 3D printed the file. As a technical drawer myself, I know a little bit about manufacturing and tolerances. Please enlighten me with the exact(!) measurements you're talking about (assuming you're not talking about a damaged part of this 5000+year old object) which are considered "mediocre" and can be achieved by the means presented in this(!) video here and/or by hand (not even talking about the tolerances, not considered to be "mediocre" assuming, for the sake of the argument, former even exist). To put your brain fart (especially regarding the positioning of the "handles") into perspective. The measurements were taken and assessed by a third party of engineers (not archaeologists) who have nothing to gain, by misrepresenting the facts. If you can debunk it, please go ahead and make a video, since you already downloaded the file, you ignorant keyboard warrior.
@@mementomori4972Hopefully you have a qualified sheep dog guarding you. How old is your object? Engineers who had no bias even though they were associated strongly with Chris Dunn who most certainly has a bias. Seems like an uphill battle. Perhaps a published scientific article in a reputable scientific journal would help. Peer review would be interesting no?
@@freefunnyclips2748 Claiming that I said they were lying is false. They have no relevance to ancient technologies and therefore have no business pushing claims without evidence. Every object has measurements.
Wow. Great effort! I'm sure that, in time, modern man/woman will make a plastic bag in the vegetable aisle in stores that can easily be opened with my aged fingers.
100% proves that this type of items could be created with the tools and materials available to the ancient Egyptians. They had thousands of years and thousands of people to perfect the technology. You manged to get very close with just a handful of people and a few weeks or months of experimentation. Good job!
Just wondering why they didn't perfect the writing quality - which seems very crude compared to the stone work on which they were carved on. As you said, they had thousands of years and people to do this, yet somehow this was not done?
Buddy, the quality of this vase is no where near the precision found in the ancient artifacts, which are literally within the range of 1 hairs difference from perfect multi planar alignments and perfect geometry throughout the entire shape of the vase, which this replica is not even a little bit close to in terms of precision. Not to mention, the difference between Moh of 3.5 to Moh 9 materials are incomparable. Carving something that is Moh 3.5 is many magnitudes easier. For Moh 9 Corundum, or Moh 8 Diorite or Granite it would take more than 10 times the effort for less than half the gain. Good luck with that. Perhaps one vase can be crafted in 3 years, which will look nothing like the ancient artifacts that are made to near perfection which cannot be measured by the naked eye, of which there are many, many, many thousands recovered from Pre-dynastic times, which is over 5 thousand years ago at the very least. The logistics of that alone are inconceivable, and unsustainable for a supposed primitive society. Unless someone can create a vase using the proposed ancient techniques to the exact level of quality and precision, not any less, but the same (As there is a major difference between a product which has a margin of error around the millimeter range as compared to the micrometer range), can it be said there is a chance the vases and all else would be plausible to create with the proposed primitive methods. This replication does not come even close to proving that whatsoever.
@@luka188 "Unless someone can create a vase using the proposed ancient techniques to the exact level of quality and precision, not any less, but the same" What you ask for is not going to happen, not because it is impossible, but because it requires a lifetime of practice and skill. A lifetime that no one today is willing to invest, but in the ancient past obviously did happen. What this experiment shows is that someone with only a rudimentary first try can approximate the result roughly. Obviously with practice and a mature industry, and generations of people perfecting the art, lots of tricks and things would be learned to increase the precision and speed at which the work was done. You ask that an amateur who is making it up as they go along and trying it for the first time create a replica of the finest examples that we have found? That's like asking someone who has no idea how to paint to prove to you that painting is possible by reproducing the Mona Lisa to exact detail.
@@insertphrasehere15 ok, but how can you achieve that level just using your eyes ? how can you EVEN PERCEIVE the measurement of such small distances? we are talking about measurings of 0.1 mm. take a ruler and look what 0.1 mm means. Do you realise how small that is ? how can you make almost perfect 90 degree angles taking this into account? how will you make almost perfect paralel walls as well? you will say a life time EXPERIENCE to which I will remain silent because it's absurd
say the egyptians used 1 month on carving such a vase. didn't they find 40 000 vases under the step-pyramid? The egyptians could have carved so many vases in 3 years, if 1000 stonecarvers worked coherently at the same time with it, or 33 years if 100 carvers dit it etc. think about the amount of work needed to make all these ancient structures as well. was every egyptian born a stonemason? .. hmm... apparently there was nothing else to do back then. just thinking out loud. But great videos!
The lathe appears some time during the Third Kingdom. There are archaeological finds supporting this. In my mind there must have been techniques predating the lathe. What is shown in the video is one plausible example. Well done!
As inefficient as that was imagine a few thousand people making those at a time. Production could be astronomical once the initial lag time from start to first product passes. One thing a lot of the “high technology” people seem to forget (or don’t care to notice) is not everything the eqyptains made was to a high standard. Looking at the finest artifacts in a museum doesn’t give a accurate look at a whole culture. Just as looking at a billionaires house doesn’t have much in common with what the average persons house/possessions. Expensive hand made pots like this wouldn’t have been the average, and they would have likely been kept in better shape just as possessions of a billionaire would. More likely to make it the test of time. In 10,000 years people could dig up a nasa shuttle and think the average person traveled in space, but that’s clearly not the case.
Impressive, indeed! As to the idea that these works of stone were somewhat rare and expensive artifacts and as such survived due to being much cared for and treasured, I disagree. Over 30,000 were found near the step pyramid. Finally, the precision of this work has my highest respect. Granite pieces only 3" or so high have such precision that they can be placed horizontally with no signs of imbalance!? Your effort is still worthy of respect but I do not feel name calling of the "lost technology" believers serves any benefit. Instead, perhaps yourself or others will be inspired in future attempts (working with comparatively hard stones) to achieve similar tolerances in pieces truly rivaling these examples of the highest art and craftmanship!
@@seangrexa4707 do you have a source of the information that 30k of the same type of vases were found at the step pyramid? I have read about vessels that were found but never saw any evidence that they all were done to a high level of quality or that all of them were made out of granite or equally as hard materials. My understanding is that not all of them were even close to the same quality as the best specimens that found their way into museums. Realistically it’s safe to say they had lathes and spun materials. Humans were just as smart in the Egyptian days as they are now when it comes to taking a hard job and making it easier. People doing back breaking work will find anyway possible to make it easier. If it’s at all possible to do “the impossible” with the simplest of tools then it is clearly possible to do it. That’s the biggest hole in the people who think it wasn’t possible for the Egyptians to do what they did. All their opinions fall apart for two reasons 1) clearly they did it because the evidence exists that they did such as pyramids and stoneware and 2) it has been proven that everything they did could be done with primitive methods. Cutting granite slabs? Not a issue with water and a abrasive. Unless a person suggests aliens helped it’s a pretty clear cut answer of they did it themselves. The hangup for most people seems to be that they couldn’t have done it for one of two reasons 1) there wasn’t enough time, and 2) they wouldn’t have spent 20 years beating rocks with rocks to make something because that’s just inefficient and stupid. Well just because something is inefficient doesn’t mean it wasn’t done that way. Realistically based on all the evidence I have seen I have a opinion they had lathes and at a minimum other simple machines. At some point they likely discovered iron or some alloy that helped progress. Simple things such as harder tools and a lathe can take a job that would take 10,000 hours and turn it into a day job. People get so caught up on it being impossible, like the Egyptians just had 100 men working 3 hours a week with tooth picks and managed to build everything.
@@lakeschoolrestorationchann1567 many of those bowls and vases were sold all over Egypt France and other countries around the world. In the early 1900s the barbarians bought mummies And had unwrapping mommy parties for the rich. They also crushed them and use them for fertilizer in their gardens.
I can't believe she proved us all wrong by completely changing every possible facet of each parameter! I can replicate the Mona Lisa watch I'll show you how by making a Pikachu decoration out of Papier Mache. I mean it's mostly the same thing isn't it?
Looks very good and a very interesting experiment! I know the egyptians make bowls a 2-3mm thin and even from one of the hardest rock types known to man, totally flawless and seemingly with ease too
She's an experimental archeologist, and with all due respect, compared to someone who was making a living doing stonework in ancient Egypt, she is a hack. The experiment shown is just a proof of concept, but someone who has been practicing these skills for most of their life would be able to do thin walled vases out of granite.
A R I would love to see a thin walled piece of hard stone just to see how it would be made but one thing that makes little sense to me is why make thousands and thousands of stone lamps, cups and bowls in the hardest way possible? Why not just make it out if clay? To me together with the insanly massive obelixs, giant boxes, and the enormous statues tells me they did it with easily! Not just is some of the bigger pieces hard to do even today with modern machines but even the moving of these things seems like it was a walk in the park
@@AR-zq9hq I wouldn’t call her a hack, she is skilled. This does not represent the perfection found in Egyptian bowls and statues that are basically perfect. I would call it the best attempt to try and reproduce something we don’t understand, that I have seen. But I’m not convinced even a little this is how these amazing artifacts were made. And I still want someone to show me a piece of copper pipe from ancient Egypt I have not seen it!
@@favne8345you're confusing modern values with old values. Go back four centuries and just a few hundred noble families in a given country owned all the good quality ceramics, but each family owned many sets even though an individual piece was far too expensive for someone even from the middle class to afford. The concentration of wealth in a few families made the value of labor - even skilled labor - relatively trivial.
Thanks for making this. I'm tired of hearing that ancient Egyptians needed electricity and special machinery to work stone like they did. You just need a clever mind and elbow grease.
Some of their accomplishments required a primitive/advanced lighting system unknown to us still. For example subterranean tunneling was done without fire. However her vase is awesome! well done.
she says at the end that it took her 6 months at 6-8 hours a day. And she broke it. This is a completely impractical amount of time for a single vase. The egyptians were clearly more advanced than this.
This is clever but I think there is a leap required from what you're doing to what was done in much harder stone and conglomerates that you would not be able to make using the same process. After all, people have been working marble with tremendous, impressive results for millennia. And not simply the hardness of the material but what was often the tiny openings on some of the vases as well as the almost impossibly thin walls. There are some that are actually translucent. If you put one of those in some of your contraptions (they are clever contraptions though, no offense intended) they would shatter. You're probably aware of all this. There's a mystery here that I do not believe you have solved. I don't subscribe to any 'lost high technology' or similar theories but I really don't think anyone has come up with an explanation as to how this fine ancient vases and plates were made. Good effort though!
Agreed. Remember what material this vase was made out of as well. Marble. There's a reason the ancient Renaissance sculptors used marble instead of granite and other harder materials. It's a beautiful vase. No doubt. And give credit to the amount of time and effort that went into this, but this vase simply doesn't compare to the much more intricate, symmetrical, and harder medium vases that have been uncovered in Egypt and elsewhere.
Except Egyptians made vases from granite and some corundum.. 7-9 out of 10. That is what makes it such a mystery. She’s working with a 3ish 4 stone. And the ones in Egypt are paper thin. It’s honestly mind boggling.
First the obvious. How do you know that supposed "0.1mm accuracy" was intentional...... Measuring some vase in truth only proves that a given object has given dimensions. It does not by extension supposedly prove it was not possible to create using a given technology - nor as alluded to the creator intended said dimension. They could have simply created something they thought appeared right and its final dimensions turned out to be whatever. Next is the artisan in the video is simply showing it was possible to shape stone into a vase using these supposed "primitive tools". While they are an artisan it is a reasonable assumption they do not make these types of objects for a living = as the ancient Egyptians did. So were they to spend likely years perfecting their craft and subsequently create numerous copies of vases etc. over their lifetime = no doubt their skill level would reflect this. Moral of the story: Michelangelo created both the Tondo Pitti and the Pietta. One reflects a somewhat crude appearance aesthetically while the other displays considerable detail. The former was a quickie commission piece intended to be sold while the latter was intended for the tomb of a wealthy Cardinal. So same artisan = but different outcomes based upon the time and resources devoted to the project. You can not hold up one "good" example while ignoring other less detailed ones to scream "impossibility!" as some do. You must account for the reality of what is alluded to. Some craftsmen are more skilled than others and apply differing levels of effort to what is made. Measuring a vase is not disproving a method of production. For that you must show it was not possible = not simply claim it....... 🤨
An experiment in making a stone vase using stone and copper tools. Reconstruction of ancient technology.
The experiment was not intended to copy the ancient method of stone carving in detail. The idea was to show the possibility of doing such work using simple tools.
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can I just say, this video is truly amazing. I am a mason from the UK, in the very early steps of doing what you are doing but with sonic drilling! I think you are 100% on the mark here... these people were master masons and craftsmen, i see it as some of the first great industrual booms after farming and agriculture took off, before the politics, and before when it was simple time... people spent entire lifetimes perfecting the craft... and you managed a amazing example from a few attempts.. i take my hat off to you!
@@sa.8208 thank you!
I'm sorry, but they used sound. Laser.
Can you imagine making giant objects like the pyramids like this?
@@nataliee5501 I'm sorry, but how much have you done to attempt what they did?
exactly..
That one shitty comment is your entire contribution.
@@nataliee5501 We don't know how they did it. And even this video gives no real answer to this question. You can do it this way, yes. But it not has the same quality as the original artefacts. So I'm not convinced. But I also don't believe in Laser and Sound.
I was really impressed by the effort and the results. If the carver is this video spent her whole life working in this media and perfected this craft, with the work of generations before her to build upon, obviously her efficiency and production would increase dramatically. I also agree that doing what she did, although honestly impressive, with a relatively soft rock does not necessarily equate with what could be done with granite or diorite. All in all though I was impressed with the effort. We need more people trying to actually replicate the amazing finds from ancient Egypt instead of just arguing about how they were made.
Thank you! Now she is working with diorit: ruclips.net/video/F75tsyoxMQY/видео.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Too bad we can't see the video, it's unavailable
@@cooljosh2307 New link: ruclips.net/video/rS3jedWGrrY/видео.html
theres always the chance of unknown ancient methods to increase efficiency a bit
@@LukeTEvans yes 'a bit'; but...
Marble is a lot softer than granite and basalt, which was used in a lot of objects from Egypt.
Marble is a 3, granite is an 8, corundum is a 9, and of a course diamond is 10. Some of those objects from Egypt defy explanation.
Have you found any video of anyone making a thin walled vase out of granite? Like those found in Egypt?
@@SomeGuy-sj1ly bet you would have said that vase was impossible but as soon as someone tries for the first time in maybe 2000 years to make a vase using basic tools and because their first attempt isn’t exactly like the Egyptians it’s impossible? I bet you’re the kind of person that thinks that unless someone completely rebuilds the great pyramid that you won’t be convinced it was made by Egyptians. This is god of the Gaps for advanced list civilization folks. Egyptians were making artifacts for 1000s of years and because we can’t replicate the art in 1 or 2 tries it’s impossible? Childish.
@@SamBorgman There are videos of cemetery granite vases made with lathe. But they are without handles.
@@ivayloivanov3744 Ok. But anyway, I've seen enough to now believe those ancient high tech channels are hiding the flaws lol I thought maybe at least they were being honest with the precision. Those things are not even precise and the handles are not exactly symmetrical either. They are faking their measurements, that proves they are deliberately lying. I used to think maybe they honestly believe what they say. NOPE!
Wow! Researched my entire life about Egyptian stone work and never have I seen this technique! Well done
It took her 6 to 8 hours a day for 6 months to make that vase. That seems a bit long for an artisan. An artist? yes. A craftsman? How could he live, if he could produce only 2 stone vases a year?
@@stuffnuns well if their craft was specifically making these stone vases then yes it's entirely reasonable to assume they were paid well for their work. It wasnt an uncommon practice throughout history for the wealthy to hire artisans and craftsman and give them a place to live while they worked on their craft for them. This isnt some common jar. Its very much a work of art that could have taken years to make.
@@stuffnuns 6 месяцев это заняло у девушки, которая впервые занимается подобным. А теперь представьте человека, который занимается этим всю жизнь. У него больше навыков я думаю
Making an interior of vase is probably most critical step in a whole process. I would start with it.
Watching your construction of the marble vase has convinced me that the high precision industry volume granite vases would have required better tools.
It seems painfuly obvious to me as well.
Yes, because as we all know corbeling together giant granite blocks into crude load bearing ceilings that distribute a minimal amount of weight while providing limited space is a key techno signature of all precision industries.
Look man, if you have giant lath & saw cutting machines and you can’t make a simple arch, you’re r*tarded. So, either a r*tarded lost ancient civilization made all this stuff with machines that fell out of the sky from aliens, or maybe you don’t need an industry if everyone in that civilization makes their own vases, because those people & their ancestors had been working that exact type of stone for millennia.
You can’t waltz through history with your 21st century perspective. None of it will make sense to you, and you’ll never learn anything.
Such as? I think you people should research what hardness actually means on the molecular level. What kind of structures theyre made out of. Granite isnt titanium or mixed industrial metals. Granite can be hurt just throwing a simple rock at it with tons of force. Such as a cata or trebuchet. Yet they should be hard right, those rocks shouldnt destroy granite, right?
Heck I can scratch a granite block using a regular stone, using my pressure and power.
Wrong. Saltwater, water, sand, coarse sand, any kind of rock and friction can beat anything.
Because friction releases a lot of kinetic energy and water makes the friction easier. Increasing the speed/kinetic energy to damage anything.
Heck, boats have issues with salt water because it damages the metal over time. Because salt water, especially extremely dissolved ones strip away electrodes and shaves the metal using ions. Its friction upon friction with properties of the material. Thus sand, water and friction shaves.
But they also had diamonds, iron, copper and all kinds of crystals.
I ll disagree , images and hieroglyphics depict this basic method she deployed for carving the vases. To me with more hands working in rotations in an efficient system of management and time these carvings could be achieved
@@cryptofxalgorithms When the egyptians tell you that they inherited their culture and all the most impressive structures where built at first and they only get worse as their civlization matures, you dimiss it, but when you see a hieroglyph you think you know exactly what it means. Isnt that strange?
It's a beautiful result, and obviously took a considerable amount of time.
Is there a plan to repeat the experiment doing it in granite?
ahh the before facetime such productivity
They can't do it in granite,this one was marble a soft stone easy to work with. What would they use to do one in granite that shows in the archeological record ?
If soft marble took 6 months, a Granite replica would take 6 years. Whereas one made of wood would take closer to 6 hours. One just needs to engage brain and think what late bronze age peoples would have preferred to do given their rather limited resources and other priorities.
@@methylene5 and they have found tens of thousands of the granite vases in egypt. this channel reaches for clues.
@@andersandersen6295 yessiRRRRRR they haveee
Thank You so much for this video, It shows just how clever our ancestors were....Tremendous amount of man hours and patience...Really shows the craftsmanship of the people of the past.
clever yes, stupid to spend 6 months on a bowl no.
Marble hardness is 3 on Mohs scale. copper is 3, iron is 4
Granite bowls of Ancient Egypt are 6 on Mohs scale
Serapeum Sarcophagus inside cut is impossible with lathe or discs, it's 90 degree angles on 3 axes.
@@criztu Not impossible....watch the video from Scientists against myths where a lady actually did grind out a 90 degree corner. The Egyptians had large numbers of very skilled people who #1 knew what they were doing and #2 had the skills, knowledge and manpower needed to work the stone. You can work Hard stone, It's not easy and it's not fast work (Though I think they were able to work the stone faster than what people give them credit for) but it can be done. I hate the fact that you peoples position is basically "Egyptians were just too stupid to make extraordinary things, so it had to be Aliens" or whatever the latest myth is.
doesnt even come close
Olga did an incredible job!! Maybe the most patient person alive.
People love to make conspiracies about how ancient civilizations could cut and polish stone so well, thinking they must have had technology more advanced than we do now. The truth is they just had lots of time, manpower and experience to teach generation after generation the techniques. They certainly had clever tools that we might not know about but this woman shows that amazing things can be done with relatively simple tools and materials. And this is just one person’s experimentation and dedication to seeing it through: back then there were so many more craftsmen and workers doing the hard labor, so they could accomplish much more. Given continually improving tools and techniques over hundreds of years it’s no wonder they accomplished amazing things.
Yes. The fabrication of things was an entire industry in ancient Egypt the same as today. Also the same as today = you got what you paid for. So as an example. Egyptologists have unearthed over the years around Saqqara underground caches of mummified animals for votive offerings and as burial items = literally millions of them. Imagine what was required to create such numbers - not merely those directly involved but also those who supplied the raw materials etc..
Also among what was found there was vast variance as far as quality. Ergo for wealthier people temples offered what would be today viewed as "museum quality" pieces - while for the average public cheaper "knock-offs" could be obtained. So be it a stone vase or jewelry or building something it was a matter of time, resources devoted to the project, and the skill level of the craftsmen in question.
As the example above illustrates the Egyptians were highly organized with the creation of things representing entire economies within ancient Egypt and items were created for more than just the Pharaohs. Stone sarcophagi as example have been found in the tombs of wealthy individuals as well as Pharaohs. There were castes of professional artisans creating things for Pharaohs/temples/wealthy and everyday folks and their developed skills were passed on from one generation to the next. These were not random items being made in someone's garage. They built manufactories' dedicated to creating specific items. 🤔
yeah, agreed and these conspiracy theories are so insulting to these ancient civilizations and these conspiracy dismiss their intelligence that they need modern tech to even too things
It can be done but the devil is in the detail. It is the accuracy and precision that can't be attained by hand. I've spent my life working with hand and machine tools to various tolerance levels. If measurements of those vases are legit, there is no way they are hand made
Conspiracies is an interesting word choice. How dare anyone question what you obviously know. History has been written and humans are never wrong or close minded. They can tell you how old the universe is and how long ago the dinosaurs roamed in terms of years and you can take that to the bank right?
Anyway while I appreciate what she’s done here, it took her 6 months working 35 hours a week to create “1” piece of pottery out of “marble”.
Understand there are uncountable pieces out there made of material that her tools just wouldn’t hold up too. Then take out your micrometer and make sure it’s perfect in every way. Sure they had lots of time and manpower but what percent of people today could create a magnificent piece of art. You can’t just teach that to anyone. A master artist could train me to draw for years. It would always be subpar. Most people just don’t possess the ability.
@ ??? For one thing those stone containers aren’t perfect in every way. For another, master craftsmen usually had apprentices or relatively unskilled laborers doing “heavy lifting” so to speak. She made one stone vase without any instruction or training. What exactly is your point? Yes ancient people might have had special tools or techniques we don’t know about yet. They didn’t have alien lasers or whatever the fuck other dumb conspiracies there are.
Amazing video . Still I don't why some fools think that Aliens built every Thing.
That’s the psyop. The real conspiracy is that we (humans) were way more advanced than history has led us to believe.
Not aliens, angel-human hybrids in enoch, genesis, the sumerian, Greek, hindu, and egyptian demigods. The world before the flood and asteroid impact we are but a shadow of. Humans have been around for quite a while, to think this is the only advanced stage weve reached is imo proposterous. Not that they had what we had, but they went a whole other direction
We are a species with amnesia
And to understand the hard problem a bit better, i highly recommend the channel Formscapes
As you know, one of my fav things on youtube:)...look forward to seeing more such experiments.
Coming soon! )
LOL David was made from marble, please try granite like in Egypt and get to 1/20th inch thickness please
Donate to them enough and they will try.
Exactly
@@arckanumsavage2822Then they would fail and look stoopid doing it....
This is a really good video and shows that humans are capable of so much. Just need time, devotion and ingenuity. Wish I had seen your channel sooner. I will share. 🙂🙂👍
yes but marble hardness is 2 while diorite or granite is 7
@@criztu You know they can just use granite or diorite stones, works just the same.
@@ixinor how so if the stone is so much harder. Even if it was possible it would have been imprecise an adjective which can't be used to describe a granite vase.
Another thing I'd like to point out, the vases were single piece yet they still had handles which can't be produced with this method. heck even with our ''advanced'' machines we can't replicate Egyptians' precision.
@@batista9419 Thats a lie and we can.
@@ixinor so show me the machines we have that can produce a compound curve with an error of less than 0.01 mm and that keeps every flat surface flat with that same precision and keep all the curves and surfaces almost perfectly square... On hard stone with multiple minerals, not metals.
We can measure it but not replicate it. Most engineers can't understand how they could do that, and always ask what tech they had... Little do they know a few pieces have machine like marks... but Egyptologists claim only cooper tools and stones. Search up "uncharted X" on RUclips. He covers this things with detail sometimes with experts on the field.
Idk even history wise I think we are wrong. If it was them building the pyramids wouldn't they be proud to say it? Meanwhile no one found that, and they say they are a legacy civilization. Seriously who are our historians to dismiss Egyptians's history which was told by them? You wouldn't lie about your history if it's something to be proud of.
Now my little theory, so the Egyptians told the story of Atlantis to Solon a greek philosopher in search of the truth and knowledge. So if he was in search of that he wouldn't be told a mith right? Well Egypt from all places was the one that knew this story too, coincidence? According to them Atlantians angered the gods and were killed in floods sent by them, roughly 11600 years before present (the trip was in 600BC and they said 9000 before that so 2600+9000). The gods live above earth and are usually associated with the sky so if the gods sent something couldn't it be an asteroid or meteor? Now you get to the younger dryas impact theory and everything lines up. Huge floods, many impacts big climate change...
Not saying they are descendants from Atlantians but maybe their civilizations coexisted. And lost tech in the mass extinction event to eventually pass down the story orally to document it once they could and found the remaining structures of their old civilization. We know the sphinx has rain erosion, so it's at least 10000yo according to Robert Schoch, a geologist.
All we see of ancient high tech is also in the older dynasties according to our dating. Well couldn't that pyramid be there before they found it? The sphinx was, and we have no documents of the building of such structures.
In conclusion. It's impossible to assume there wasn't high tech at some point, used in buildings and small artefacts. And that tech could be older that we mostly assume.
Yes the experiment showed that it is possible to make art objects out of stone. Thank you for this experiment, she proved that it is possible to make beautiful products out of stone. The experiment also confirmed that the handmade product did not even come close to the required accuracy of real orginals, where for example the circle of the surface of the pitcher is within a tolerance of more than 0.01 mm. In the video , where the lady is machining the jug, the roundness inaccuracy is several orders of magnitude less and even more than 1 mm. And that is the mystery, how the ancient masters managed such precision.
Where are you deriving your reference measurements? How did the Fatimids create masterpieces in pure rock crystal?
Tough work and a lovely vase. Great job!
you guys are the best channel for scratching rocks over time
Some of the stone jars that even the antiquities experts admit were heirloom before the old kingdom are made of granite, basalt, or other very hard stones, yet are so thin a flashlight can be seen to shine through them. I do believe this was learned skill from thousands of years of tradeskills with primitive human and animal powered tools, but with craftsmanship and material knowledge we lack today.
Yes! I think they copied works they saw/found. And that's what makes the stones and megaliths of Egypt, India, Peru and elsewhere so confusing - the copies are sometimes good but not the fantastic works in harder and larger stones of presumably older civilizations. In other words, they found prior civilization examples and began to copy them, good but not megalithic or in hard rock such as granite.
@@sailingaeolus proof?
@@maau5trap273 Trust me, bro. 😂
@@maau5trap273 a number of videos pointing this out on the unchartedx channel. It seems pretty obvious when you see it. 3 very distinct types of stonework in Peru. The lesser newer works often imitating the older.
@@jonezy300 I already watched the unchartedX videos on this topic and all he mentions is BS stuff, he mentions "circulars cuts" that are straight and attributes them to power tools, but shortly after he sees cuts that arent straight and still attributes them to power tools, he looks at stone work while showing imperfections that can be seen with the naked eye and says that theyre too "precise" and therefor theyre made with power tools. He sees very good stone work and says the writings on it are not as good so therefor they were later found and the egyptians claimed it ( he assumes that the workers of stones are the same people that make writings which is stupid). He talks about "precise stuff" but dont understand that the human finger can detect down to 13 Nano meter sof imperfections in surfaces that look flat and theyre not even properly measured or he just ingores the ones that are clearly showing imperfections while measuring one corner out of all the stone works. He managed to make like almost 2 hours worth of videos and managed to explain nothing or find any actual evidence for power tools. This man bases his work on fooling people so they pay for their tours. And what are you talking about in Peru? Cusco and macchu picchu are both after 1000 AD and a lot of the "downgraded" work there is from either the spaniards after 1500s or restoration work from recent times. Also you dont see spanish people or people that live in yucatan building like the mayan or their ancestor built do you? because socieites and cultures change or do you expect them to do the same thing fir thousands of years with no culture and society evolution?Youre well informed in BS but badly informed in facts
Thank you Olga for doing this experiment.
Actualy marble is max 3,6 of hardness. So it its like gypsum that has max 3.5 of hardness. Next step would be now to make it in diorite or granite, or even
try to polish a small, 1m x 1m basalt surface.
Do you think it is possible to make a vaze in granite and polish it? What stone could we use to polish such hard material?
Still nice work. Well done!
Mohs hardness has to do with abrasives, what scratches what. Diamond is at the top of the scale but it can be smashed by materials softer on Mohs Scale, for instance window glass is at 5.5 on Mohs Scale the same as mild steel. Limestone is 4 yet glass tools would break on the first strike.
Vickers or Knoop scale of hardness (toughness) more relevant to hammers and chisels but not definitive since granite has a tendency to shatter/fracture.
Jade/nephrite is less than granite on mohs scale but much tougher because of the way it is structured.
To polish granite Mohs scale would be of value but the golden rule is like cuts like. Diamond dust used to polish/cut diamond for instance. So granite dust will polish granite, it's the quartz that gives granite etc it's hardness of 7. The quartz in sand could also be used to polish, the large grains will break down into ever smaller pieces until small enough that the scratches invisible to the naked eye. Grit size on sandpapers for instance, to polish paint or stone etc the grit has to be 1500 or higher to give a high polish. With an abrasive such as corundum, used in ancient times to cut and polish stone as well as precious stones, the results faster.
I have posted 3 experiments grinding down black granite to flat surface so that no light passes under a straight edge, 2 from saw marked and 1 from rough surface. 1.5 square feet in 30 minutes from saw marked and just over 100 minutes to do the same on rough surface. I was limited by the size of the granite pieces I was working with so that's a minimum number rather than a maximum.
@@SacredGeometryDecoded what about all the saw marks on all megalithic sides found? they are so obvious you can dismess them, and they are definitely marks of circular saws, plenty of evidence to be found everywhere.
I'm not saying you can't make an object with primitive tools, but considering the scale of some objects and the accurateness, it seems they had no problem doing it so accuratly.
When I'm on holiday, I find it pleasing to polish rocks on the seashore, it goes very easy if you handle the right rocks en polisch with sand and seawater, but it's a different story if you take the boxes from the sarapeum as an example. Still baffles me though.
@@petejung3122 Why does it baffle you? All you're having trouble with is the time it takes to achieve these things. So what if eqyptians used circular saws? Discs of copper aren't any harder to make than tubes of copper to drill holes with. It's not the copper that cuts, but the abrasive used. Any circular saw experiments back then were low speed tools using abrasives, and not diamond saws like we use today. So what?
You confuse "accurate" with "good enough". The boxes of the Serapeum are NOT perfect, nor are they precise in any way, shape or form. They have some nicely flat surfaces on the outside, and some pretty OK surfaces on the inside. They are NOT perfect angles, perfect thicknesses, or perfect anything in fact. They are just pretty good.
Why can this baffle you? It's exactly the same as what you saw here, except it was performed by skilful men who were master stone workers, and the amount of time required, while still high, was not a problem...
@@Chris.Davies what most strikes me is the declination of the objects.
All the astonishing ones are all attached to the old Kingdom. I find that indeed baffling. Sorry for my opinion, but it strikes me very out of placement.
So I wonder if there's more to the story than what is mainstream story line. Why is it so weird to think that there was an earlier civilisation pre flood. The evidence of an enormous cataclysm in the younger dryas boundary period is compelling.
Do not forget that the modern human excisted for about 350000 years since last discoveries.
So I just wonder.
For me it's about the tool marks.
Not all of them are explained. Almost none to be frankly. That's all.
If you don't have the right tools you won't be taken on these kind of projects. That's what the middle and new kingdom obvious show us.
None is megalitic of nature.
Why?
to grind granite all you need is something as hard as quartz. sand would work for polishing it, and corundum would work even better since its just a step below diamond. you can also use flint or quartzite. diorite is similar in hardness to granite, with quartz being the hard substance in it. basalt is softer, so polishing it would likely be easier than granite or diorite.
impressive work, folks! shows what can be done with a bit(lot) of hard work and perseverance, for a rather long time. however, with unlimited man power.......now, lets see you replicate one of those statues in harder stone. i'll definitely be watching that video.
Nice Job !
Now do one that's as thin as a few business cards.
What for?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths To prove to the ancient alien weirdos it can easily be done.
@@JM-co6rf How about she makes one out of granite
6 months, for a small marble vase? If you were an ancient egyptian stone vase maker and you had to do this professionally with these tools and in granite, even get it to look good not just rough... how would you prevent your brain from melting? This must have been one of the dullest jobs in existence.
Not bad for a first attempt, don't you think? Why don't you make one and upload a video for us to judge it?
6 months = doing everything herself - to include making her own tools.......... Now compare that to castes of professional craftsmen - and their assistants - who work for some "patron" + who are being supplied with the resources they require + who are provided with room & board by their patron so that they need not waste time trying to earn their daily bread etc. as that is being provided for them.
p.s. - while an artisan by profession is it likely she does not make Egyptian style artifacts for a living as an ancient Egyptian craftsman would who likely made vases etc. from the time they were children until they became a master craftsmen. Thus she simply showed the process/tools work.
I was a sculptor all my life, so I know how hard sculpting stones can be so I think it is a remarkable piece you made, not quite the polish of the originals. So maybe some other months of scratching and polishing and maybe you achieve the same polishing. I think it may possible.
You convinced me that it is possible to make a jar with the primitive tools you used.
So after all you made one in say one year.
.... And hundreds maybe thousands are found, not speaking of the many statues, sarcophagus (like the ones in Saqqara), and buildings. There is just a lack of time. It should be made in a much much faster time, and all can only be made by wél educated craftsman.
And there is something else. Some of the stone jars are on a complete different scale. With a thickness of few millimeters. Mind blowing ....
There is still something we are missing.
It seams that the oldest jars stonework is the most complicated, the thinnest, the finest .... and later dynasties they became less in quality, thicker, .... It looks like a reverse evolution. 🤔 Normally it should be the opposite.
Except that is not the case. There are plenty of high quality late period pieces. What you see if often a pick and choose and not a fair comparison. It would be like taking a 12th century sword and then showing you an 18th century pitchfork. Obviously they could make high quality swords in the 18th century, but if you don't see it, I might be able to convince you otherwise.
@tsa3b Theres plenty out there. Some even come up for sale. RUclips doesn't like outside links, but you can find plenty of late period pieces. We also see architecture in general greatly improve and become more complex with load bearing and free standing capabilities. You're not having seen any, or just refusal to acknowledge, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Also, symetry has never been all that difficult to achieve and we've seen it across cultures and time.
@@AveragePickeri would like to know were i can find a video or a paper about late dynasty granite vase…. for my knowlege they went down on their quality…
@@vitorlobo631 Let's suppose they "went down in quality." (And that is an assumption you are just repeating likely from someone like Hancock or Uncharted channel.) But we will pretend it is true.
So what? That doesn't really mean very much.
If we were to compare the cheapest and most plentiful furniture today to that of the 1890s or even the 1960s, you might very well say that our furniture went down in quality. But so what? That doesn't mean Townsend and Goddard weren't actually making furniture, or that we somehow recessed or reversed as a culture or society.
Styles change, needs change, wants and priorities change as well. Things that were once desirable aren't forever as in demand, even with things seemingly important. We don't build giant stone cathedrals anymore, and you can find churches in converted gas stations and even essentially double wide trailers.
So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or how it pertains to the video demonstration here.
Great job! The Egyptians also made marble and alabaster vases.
They were also trying to replicate the granite stone jars they found from antiquity.
This video shows a breccia marble vessel being created. Egyptians used various types of stone including granite. They did not inherit, they created them.
Prove via credible evidence they "found" them = or reside yourself to partaking of an ongoing self-generated fantasy ala LAHT........
p.s. - under Djoser's Pyramid was a cache of stone vessels found. Some were noted to have the names of previous Pharaohs carved on them. Now that Pharaohs "appropriated" from their predecessors is nothing new.
What matters here is if the Egyptians could etch in hieroglyphs the names of a Pharaoh on a granite or similar stone vase = they obviously had the capacity to carve that stone...... - so how is making a vase out of the same so suddenly a strange thing?? Ponder that.
Impressive indeed! But have you seen how thin and precise some of the egyptian vases are! Some are almost wafer thin! Now that I'd like to see replicated!
Then pay for a family to start developing the craftsmanship with these tools and in a couple of generations it could be done. These crafts are family business and they would start at a very young age, practicing every day. You cant develop craftsmanship overnight, this is simply to demonstrate that it can be done.
Same as telling someone aliens made David because none one can reproduce Michellangelos craftsmanship.
this shows that is possible even with crude tools made by these modern people who werent taught the craft. these tools here are wobbly and not well made, i could imagine with a lifetime of experience and a quality workshop with hardened copper those "wafer thin" which looks more to me like corrugated cardboard thickness, would totally be possible.
@@jzjzjzjthen why do the most impressive of the ancient works seem to diminish with time? It's as if their tech begins at its highest peak then falls off gradually as centuries/millenniums pass.
@@quantumhype9839 proof? because rome started out as a village and their greatest works, were at the peak of rome, what you said is factually incorrect and substantiated
@@jzjzjzj we're talking about ancient Egypt, not rome. Rome history is well documented, old kingdom has many mysteries, including so called lost technologies. In fact, your example of Rome is precisely what makes the greatest Egyptian works so perplexing.
Bowl looks great but working 6-8 hrs a day for 6 months on it and it only being made from marble only begs more questions than it answers.
How would you do this in granite?
Прекрасная работа , давно искал видео по этому вопросу, спасибо очень трудный эксперемент .
Our patient, creative, very intelligent and wise ancestors are constantly insulted by these ignorant modernists claiming that visitors from space made anything "made w precision!" Nonsense! Our ancestors didn't waste any time on cell phones, watching TV and making up shit! They were always busy working, building, growing, cooking, creating, studying the stars, the elements etc! All respect to them and to you two this incredible project to show that aliens did not make stone pots! Nor did they make any granite Sarcophagus! None! Please give our forefathers and mothers the respect they deserve!❤
Keep busting those myths, Nice work!
Thank you!
4:51 She does in in tight tolerances the work of a CNC grinding machine even the radius of curvature and reflections. what about the individual handwork it should be different from machine work. irregularity is the strength of hand work. I would not pay much for a job that is obviously off the shelf.
@@johnwalker1553 Egyptians were obsessed with symmetry, this is about method and tools, showing that it could be done with the materials the Ancient Egyptians had available. Peace!
MrRecklessryan but she’s working with diorite or marble. The ones that leaves a mystery is the granite vases and a few made of corundum.. also the lip and body of the vase is literally paper thin.
Shouldhave made this a 30 minute doco documenting the process. Wouldve had a million likes by now
At 3:53 you completely skip the most difficult part of the process! There’s no lugs, then poof they’re finished.
exactly my thought
this video reminded me how we used to carve Flintstone type furniture out of dirt clods from sharpened popsicle sticks. the sticks were sharpened on the cement sidewalk. the Troll dolls loved their "stone" furniture
After taking a close look at few of these vase's at the British Museum I was becoming convinced about
hidden or forgotten tech. But after seeing your results with very simple tools it's changing the way I'm
thinking. Abrasives and lots of effort are getting amazing results. Thanks for posting this.
You are welcome!
And that's how it was done.lots of grit and and patience .this lady pulled it off beautifully good job lady .
Very good job. Thanks for sharing this experiment. The vase you ended up with is quite a piece of art ;)
Thank you!
Nowhere near the level of precision that are exhibited in the 5,000 yr old (at least) Egyptian vases. Great experiment 👍
Nowhere near the claimed measurements of vases that are promoted as authentic by entertainment channels?
Truly brilliant work, I used to be fully invested in the mystery of the vasework of predynastic egypt but after seeing this video you have opened me up to less extravagant possibilities!
Some of the vases found in Egypt were made from much harder stone, like granite, and the walls on some were incredibly thin. The "aliens did it" theory is silly, but it seems possible that whoever created those vessels & vases had upgraded tools.
@@bodystomp5302 The "aliens did it" is probably just a smear campaign to discredit some of the more plausible theory, one of which proposed that they were created by a more advanced human civilization long before the pre-dynastic Egyptian. And yes they must've employed some very powerful tools to create these artifacts.
@@cooljosh2307 also possible, and there is a good deal of evidence for evidence for a predynastic Egypt that it quite convincing, but certainly not conclusive. There are a number of genuine mysteries left to be solved about those ancient Egyptians
what are those possibilities?
@@xisotopex i dunno the less oudlandish ones, the more mainstream ones... wdyw ELI5? I fuckin love thinking about lost civilisations and technologies, but if this fella can make such a nice bowl with these techniques then it goes a long way to resolving what many consider a historical mystery.
It would be worthwhile seeing if you can use these same methods for granite. Without that proof we cannot say conclusively that the Egyptians did not have some more advanced or clever methods and tools.
Never underestimate the ingenuity of ancient people, but this goes 2 ways. It means they can do impressive things with simple tools, but also could probably use that inenuity to build some pretty kick ass tools that have been lost to time.
I have been wondering the whole time how to make those handles, had some ideas in my head, but carving the shape as a full rim and reducing it down was not in my head. Amazing work, this was eye opening!
Yeah, the only problem is that this jar is made like the later (lame) jars. I want to see someone replicating the early ones that has 1-2mm wall thickness and almost transparent. It’s simply impossible with any techniqe like in this video, you would break it at the first move.
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" It’s simply impossible with any techniqe like in this video," it is not
@@ВсеславВсеволодович That would be nice to see here. I can’t really see how can you not break it when applying enough force to actually carve it. The chrystals in the stone are not supported enough when you only have 1-2mm wall thickness so a sideways force would simply tear out the christals from it’s surrounding materials. I guess you can use something that has 1000x smaller particles than sand but again, it’s one bad move and it’s broken. And the tools.. for 1-2 mm wall thickness you need precision. This is something I want to see to believe.
@@tmxband yeah I thought about that too. how did they carve it? but more of that, if what they used to level the surface is pounding it to oblivion, how can you pound to a smooth level that 2 mm vase? doesn't make any sense.
@@tmxband Your description is awfully vague. Specifics?
Stone vases are still made manually in my country. Not a big deal.
How? Got a link?
Yes, are they made to such geometrical perfection that the planar deviations are within 0.1 millimeters? The deviations from flawless geometry also within 0.1 millimeters throughout the entire body of the vases? Surfaces so smooth there is not even a single grind mark visible until you scrutinize the surface under a microscope? Alignment with the central axis of the circular shape of the vase so flawless, the deviation is no greater than a sheet of paper, and the deviation from perfect geometric circle is less than a hair?
Perhaps then there can be an open discussion.
Everyone forgets that emulsions are also a thing. Using water to capture the tiny grit can act to not only speed, but further smooth and refine shapes of stone like this. More than likely any stone shaping in the past was done with water
I am blown away by the amazing skill of this lady. Using only period correct tools and methods...as well as really hard work. I hope more people who think "lost technology" is how these objects were made watch this....respect and peace to ya.
For every one of those con artist channels share this video with a friend.
Those 'lost ancient high technology' people are all trying to sell something.
Whether it's their own merch, books, tours to ancient sites with their false crap information instead of real guides etc etc.
It's all just a big con that many have used to make money on the more gullible.
Since you can't date rock, she could now sell this has genuine Egyptian vase for a fortune. 😈
Surely your not comparing this and how it was made to what the ancient Egyptians did. Some of their statues were 20 feet and taller. Did they build a gigantic wooden lathe/wheel grinder to make those too? Also, how about the symmetry the Egyptians achieved....they didn't achieve it like this! Bahahahahahahahaha...wake up!
@@chemdawg2323 Yep, and comparing soft marble to Aswan granite machined to micron level precision (in come cases in a megalithic scale) is just pure comedy, yet these people in the comments can't even see it and they've already resorted to name calling. Our species is doomed.
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most of what the Egyptians cut very crookedly and does not have any symmetry and there is not even a right angle of 90 degrees, what the hell is "amazing accuracy" enough to lie
Amazing work
Beautifully done and explained, but here is the thing that I can’t wrap my head round, how are those solid granite boxes cut out precisely and placed in the pyramids. No one can explain or replicate. And there are many of them.
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i think we should give our ancestors allot more credit. This is an amazing demonstration on so many levels and is also just an experiment, a very early version/method that can be improved on time and again. Our ancient ancestors obviously have far more advanced machines and methods. Perhaps they started this way too.
That is one theory that has been going around - which seems more plausible than the ancient Egyptians making them with copper chisel and primitive tools. Yet we still have no evidence of this "ancient" civilization. More explorations is needed to look for more evidence - provided that the mainstream academics think it is worth to pursue (perhaps even the governments)
This is absolutely insane to see! I know this videos old, but what did you use to make the through holes on the sides?
Nice demonstration. Must have taken a lot of hard work. I can imagine with more thought out equipment and tools and man power you could create something very similar to the artifacts found.
Please respond to the stl scan of the predynastic vase that shows microscopic precision
These guys went to a museum and measured artifacts with simplistic tools. Imprecision was easily shown. The UnchartedX channel promotes a vase with no proven history and claims it is proof of something.
@@Eyes_OpenIt has provenance on the same level as those found in museums
Very good demostration of "ancient technology" , im impresed what yuo can make ,congrats
Many thanks for the in sight on how vases were made around 4000 BCE in ancient Africa pre Egypt from hard stone like marble and granite which is totally baffling process to figure out until now I am sure some pre history historians would love to watch this video.
marble is not a "hard stone" . Granite is - that's why they didn't make one out of granite
......and it only took five minutes and thirty nine seconds ! amazing!
Incredible work and dedication. But there had to be a little something more going on to reach the kind of precision we see in pre-dynastic Egyptian pieces. They were down to 1000th's in every axis. But this could be built apon to improve, who knows?
The only thing "going on" here is your parroting meaningless internet claims as if they mean something. Also allow the obvious. This individual is an artisan by trade. That however does not make them = a master at creating Egyptian style artifacts. So she demonstrated the process could create a stone vase. I'm sure if she worked with others and spent years making numerous copies of these = her technique and hence aesthetic quality would improve.
Now who's parroting? I can almost here you squawk from here. You must not have seen the tests that are being done recently on the pre-dynastic vases. For people who supposedly didn't have the wheel, didn't have the turn table, didn't have diamond tools, the results are impossible. Softer stone can be worked like this, but stone like corundum, some of the hardest stuff on the planet, you are not working it like this, I'm sorry. You really need to know what your talking about before you say someone is parroting.
Vases made out the second hardest material on Earth and yet made so thin you can shine a light through them. And tens of thousands of them. The fact is, it's so precise that you have to have fixed in place and rotating tooling to do, which the Egyptians supposedly did not have.
@@jerrykinworthy9225 The vases you're talking about are not made of corundum, plenty of them are made of soft alabaster. Can you cite a single corundum vessel?
Yes, i can cite about 40,000 of them found under the bent pyramid. You are also not in a position to have this debate, if you are asking questions like that. Alabaster vases are late kingdom, the corundum vases are pre-Dynastic, found in the tombs of some of the first kings and pharaohs of Egypt.
This is why you can tell that it looks hand made, and not made by a machine .
Deserves a lot more views and respect.
Nice work, But how are the ears/handles and the surface between them made?
At 3:50- the handles are embedded in the outer contours of the vase, and at 3:57- the outside profile is nearly complete. How do you shape with a lahte the contour of the vase between the handles, I have a hard time understanding that? The machining grooves visible between the handles at 4:30, appear to be radial.
Really cool! I am curious, aren't most of the ancient Egyptian stone bowls made from granite though? I mean, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole reason said bowls were such a mystery is not just the precision in their making, but also the material used being too difficult to render so precisely using the copper and stone tools we know were available at the time.
Does anyone know of any plans to, or has anyone already done something like this with granite or diorite? I mean no disrespect, just an honest inquiry. This video is greatly inspiring! Thank you for posting!
Yes, in this video they made a vase of marble, that is 3 on the MOHS hardness scale. Try to make the same vase with granite, 6-7 on MOHS,. There is even a vase/bowl made of Corundum in the museum in Cairo, that they said the ancient Egyptians made, it's 9 on MOHS,. it doesn't really make sense when they say they made it with copper chisels, etc., but with marble, obviously it is not so hard to do.
Most are made from alabaster...harder than steel. No flat bottom they are perfectly balanced
it would just take more time bro, this channel already made a video drilling granite ruclips.net/video/yyCc4iuMikQ/видео.html&vl=fr-FR
@@breakingames7772 Alabaster harder than steel? 😂. Alabaster is Mohr's 1.5-2. Actually you can literally scratch it with a fingernail.
Not criticizing here, but you can clearly see from the video how dirt-simple the set-up is. So why not try it yourself? Any cemetery headstone maker will have tons of granite goofups and scraps to shape. As for abrasive grit, crushed granite sand could have been hand-sorted into layers (according to density) by gently shaking it in a clay bowl. One layer will be as hard as the hardest portion of the granite to be shaped and should make a perfectly suitable cutting grit ... or you could just harvest it from the banks of the Nile, already graded and ready for use. Back at the modern headstone maker's, names and dates are produced by sand blasting hard grit against the granite surface. You could probably pick up a few pounds of reay-made grit for almost nothing. You can always find wood for incidental framing and bracing just about anywhere. The whole experimental setup might cost $40.00 and require 2 or 3 weekends for a working proof of concept.
A couple of points I would change from what's shown in the video - start by boring the vase interior. That can then be used to the keep the work-piece centered when shaping the exterior. This would seem to result in much improved centering of the interior and exterior forms and more uniform wall thickness, plus reduced stress on the work-piece in progress. I'm also wondering ... Since a copper tube can be used to bore a cylindrical shape, why couldn't flat copper cards or plates be used for producing a nicely finished surface on more detailed forms? The idea is very much like the shaped wood-plane blades used for decades. Victorian era homes are fine examples of the use of such blades. However, instead of moving a sharp steel blade across the surface of a wooden work piece, you'd rotate a stone work piece against a stationary grit-charged copper card that's been cut to any desired profile. Old, worn cards could be recycled by re-cutting them to new profiles or reformed to drill points, etc, etc. ... Just a brain fart.
Very good video. Thank you very much for sharing.
Great effort , but this is still a far cry from the absolute precision in similar ancient vases .
What method did you measure the absolute precision?
Well, one would expect that the people, who did it back then for their entire life and for generations would be significantly better at this, than the modern people, who are pretty much just displaying the viability of the low-tech methods for the task.
I agree. Showing how one can make an imprecise but similar vase is really proof that we have no idea how they did it. The fact that many ancient granite pieces are precise is indisputable.
I think if anything this video proves the ancients had higher levels of technology than what we give them credit for
So a demonstration from a single person teaching themself how to do this job allows your confirmation bias to bloom?
And a video of a lady doing it for the first time also allowed your confirmation biase to bloom also?
I think they are trolling themselves based on the comments
This proved it to me. lol. She is a very impressive craftsman!
Truly impressive work, I appreciate you taking the time! However it needs to be mentioned that the precision (can be seen with eyes in this video) seems clearly not be on pair with what has been measured on the found Egyptian granite vases. I think your work showed how far human hands can get!
Surely the work of this artist , who taught herself these methods, can't be compared to the work of past masters who drew on generational experience. Nor should her work be compared to the scans of alleged ancient vases. Of those vases you mention, are the measurements identical for each?
Michelangelo created both the Tondo Pitti and the Pieta. The former represents a quickie commission piece intended to be sold - while the latter was created for a wealthy Cardinal's tomb. So same sculptor = yet differing aesthetic qualities reflecting the time and resources brought to bear on each project.
Hence as noted by others you can not contrast an artisan today who is simply showing whereby using "primitive" tools one can in fact work stone to one who spent their lives creating such vases etc.. If this artisan lived in ancient Egypt then they would have likely spent years learning their craft and improving upon their skill level. This might have been the first Egyptian style vase this artisan made = whereas Egyptian craftsmen spent their lifetimes creating such things - their skill level improving with each iteration......... 🤨
@@varyolla435 no, the Egyptian vases are precise to within 5/10,000 of an inch, there are examples where the stone has been worked so thin the walls of the vases are translucent. Precision tools were used that surpassed the methods demonstrated in this video by orders of magnitude. It's not that someone just honed their craft, they had lathes as precise as we've only been able to recreate in the last century!
@@ZeroOneInfinity 🥱 Your "X thousands of an inch" claims = are utterly worthless....... What does an ancient Egyptian know of such measurements - think about that.
More to the point they created things based upon = aesthetics - not dimensional outcomes. So your so many thousands of an inch only matter = if you desire to duplicate something using a particular method of manufacturing. Absent that whatever a craftsman creates is what they create. If you happen to measure it after the fact = Meh! Enjoy your measurements I guess.
Fantastic Olga. I am not worthy. This is one for science
It’s very impressive what you’ve done, carving these things with the tools you claim. They don’t look as good as the artifacts that we are told are 4000 years old. And if it takes seven months to produce one why would anybody waste their time, for one bowl over half a year? You may be on the right track, maybe not.I am impressed with the work though. I believe the vases in Egypt are quite a bit thinner also.
Thank you.
you never know, it could be a luxury item worth a whole lot in ancient egypt
There were 40,000 found in Saqqara alone. That suggests a production line and probably hundreds of people involved in shifts. These were made for the elite in society so extra effort for appeasement was applied.
Great demonstration of how the rough piece can be created with primitive tech. Now carve one in diorite or granite down to 1/8" or less with extreme precision and matching outer/inner radii. Examples like this can be found in Egyptian museums.
Olga is making a diorite vase right now. As for "extreme precision": do you know what methods were used to measure "extreme precision"?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths You're right, I can't find any reliable source showing such precision. They were able to get them extremely thin though, which seems almost magical unless they used a softening agent. Otherwise inclusions of differing density surely would have caused fracturing of the piece in such a delicate state. There are examples of perfect symmetry in ancient Egyptian statues though, so it's not impossible to achieve the same in pottery. e.g. Khafre Enthroned, Ramses II & the unfinished head of Nefertiti. I'm not saying they used high tech or that it was impossible with primitive tools; I fully agree with your assessment. I just find it fascinating that they reached such a level of perfection in their work. It's an attestment of the true scope of human ingenuity and accomplishment.
Thank you. Human ingenuity and accomplishment is truly amazing. But...
The situation with "perfect symmetry" is the same as with "extreme precision", I suppose.
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@@ScientistsAgainstMyths That video doesn't disprove the perfect symmetry. Actually I took photos of Khafre Enthroned & Ramses II statue and did a transparent mirror image overlay and everything lines up perfect. I can show you if you don't believe but you should try it yourself before making any claim. That doesn't mean they used high tech, just that their attention to detail was extremely fine. Again, I respect your work very much, it finally gives credit to the very skilled workers of the ancient past.
> and everything lines up perfect
Some lines are very good others are good. Why make an asymmetrical statue at all?
"Perfection" is a philosophical concept.
> it finally gives credit to the very skilled workers of the ancient past.
Yes of course. We recently returned from another trip to Egypt and are still impressed
For the argument of "high technology"... Would a drill machine, a sawing machine(for larger slabs), any sort of axial grinder, etc... regardless of how rudimentary not still count as a form of high technology when compared to simply smashing rocks together or knocking on a chisel? I mean as a machinist I recognize the similar principal in these ideas to those of a milling machine or a drill press, and a lathe.
If this was this difficult in marble imagine working with granite
This is awesome! Thank you so much for making these videos, they explain so much!
Show me one with handles and the two sides are within three thousands of an inch
It works but it still does not show the level of precision and smoothness that is noted in some of the ancient artefacts. The questions here is not that you can make this, but how precise.
Most of the commenters here have neither read about nor viewed any of the footage of the precision vases. There's even some that have watched and read about it multiple times but literally somehow managed to miss or forget the two take away points regarding precision and material. It's baffling how fucking stupid some people are. She is very talented. Very, very talented. But she may as well be carving a smiley face in some mushy banana for all the relevance it has to what is supposedly being debunked.
A commendable experiment to see if a vase can be hand-made.
I don't know how many hours work was required to complete the task but clearly you would have found it easier with what ever tools were really used in the distant past.
I think it is reasonably clear that this may have been a method for an individual household. But for mass production for a large community it does seem implausible.
If you ramp up your experiment for shaping large granite stone blocks of several tons, does it sound realistic.
Perhaps a present day stonemason is the person to provide evidence of such ability - I have an open mind on the matter and it would certainly be helpful to everyone interested.
6+2 months of full time work for this? If it was made volontarily it was probably combined with the other normal duties. Then we have a production time of a several years for one person. But perhaps it was the hobby of a year among the family to finish a vase during the sparetime. Lets hope noone dropped it and cracked it by mistake :)
And also the ideal leisure activity if you are self-employed like Olga. stop, you have no leisure if you work on your own bill. is it right ?
@@johnwalker1553 If a family would do such eloborate vases to themselves in their leisure time for several years. I would rather think they would made simpler vases, and put the effort into repairing and developing their home and plantation etc.
@@ericpilkington6298 agree, well said
I like that you used marble which is much softer than granite, left it WAY THICKER, and still broke and had to glue it back together. Now all the idiots will say this debunks the Egyptian vases, even though they aren't comparable.
Marble brechia.
cool. but not even close to the perfection of the real deal.
I love you. I made a dish out of a granite stone. Although I left the "walls" an inch thick for durability it was maybe 7 inches across. I used a chisel connected to a crank wheel connected to an electric rotary tool. Jade bowls made cereal box thin were made in ancient China. I don't know for sure but packing it in concrete, carving it this way, and carefully breaking away the concrete would leave you with a beautiful but fragile expensive green jade bowl.
good thought
They actually measured one of the pre-dynastic vases (aerospace engineers), using a 250.000$ 3D scanner and modern measuring devices. the symmetry of the vase and the accuracy of the surfaces to each other is in a tolerance spectrum, thinner than a human hair. They found about 40.000 of them piled up in the cache at Saqqara. Can you make one this precise please.
@@darklight2.1 difficult to measure all of them, since they won't allow to do so,...and while we're at it, which areas exactly did not meet the tolerances? Sheep.
@@darklight2.1 I downloaded and even 3D printed the file. As a technical drawer myself, I know a little bit about manufacturing and tolerances. Please enlighten me with the exact(!) measurements you're talking about (assuming you're not talking about a damaged part of this 5000+year old object) which are considered "mediocre" and can be achieved by the means presented in this(!) video here and/or by hand (not even talking about the tolerances, not considered to be "mediocre" assuming, for the sake of the argument, former even exist). To put your brain fart (especially regarding the positioning of the "handles") into perspective. The measurements were taken and assessed by a third party of engineers (not archaeologists) who have nothing to gain, by misrepresenting the facts. If you can debunk it, please go ahead and make a video, since you already downloaded the file, you ignorant keyboard warrior.
@@mementomori4972Hopefully you have a qualified sheep dog guarding you. How old is your object? Engineers who had no bias even though they were associated strongly with Chris Dunn who most certainly has a bias. Seems like an uphill battle. Perhaps a published scientific article in a reputable scientific journal would help. Peer review would be interesting no?
Claiming aerospace engineers are lying isn't evidence against them.
@@freefunnyclips2748 Claiming that I said they were lying is false. They have no relevance to ancient technologies and therefore have no business pushing claims without evidence. Every object has measurements.
Wow. Great effort! I'm sure that, in time, modern man/woman will make a plastic bag in the vegetable aisle in stores that can easily be opened with my aged fingers.
100% proves that this type of items could be created with the tools and materials available to the ancient Egyptians. They had thousands of years and thousands of people to perfect the technology. You manged to get very close with just a handful of people and a few weeks or months of experimentation.
Good job!
Just wondering why they didn't perfect the writing quality - which seems very crude compared to the stone work on which they were carved on. As you said, they had thousands of years and people to do this, yet somehow this was not done?
Haahahahaa! No it doesn't. Not even close.
Buddy, the quality of this vase is no where near the precision found in the ancient artifacts, which are literally within the range of 1 hairs difference from perfect multi planar alignments and perfect geometry throughout the entire shape of the vase, which this replica is not even a little bit close to in terms of precision.
Not to mention, the difference between Moh of 3.5 to Moh 9 materials are incomparable. Carving something that is Moh 3.5 is many magnitudes easier. For Moh 9 Corundum, or Moh 8 Diorite or Granite it would take more than 10 times the effort for less than half the gain.
Good luck with that. Perhaps one vase can be crafted in 3 years, which will look nothing like the ancient artifacts that are made to near perfection which cannot be measured by the naked eye, of which there are many, many, many thousands recovered from Pre-dynastic times, which is over 5 thousand years ago at the very least.
The logistics of that alone are inconceivable, and unsustainable for a supposed primitive society.
Unless someone can create a vase using the proposed ancient techniques to the exact level of quality and precision, not any less, but the same (As there is a major difference between a product which has a margin of error around the millimeter range as compared to the micrometer range), can it be said there is a chance the vases and all else would be plausible to create with the proposed primitive methods.
This replication does not come even close to proving that whatsoever.
@@luka188 "Unless someone can create a vase using the proposed ancient techniques to the exact level of quality and precision, not any less, but the same"
What you ask for is not going to happen, not because it is impossible, but because it requires a lifetime of practice and skill. A lifetime that no one today is willing to invest, but in the ancient past obviously did happen.
What this experiment shows is that someone with only a rudimentary first try can approximate the result roughly. Obviously with practice and a mature industry, and generations of people perfecting the art, lots of tricks and things would be learned to increase the precision and speed at which the work was done.
You ask that an amateur who is making it up as they go along and trying it for the first time create a replica of the finest examples that we have found? That's like asking someone who has no idea how to paint to prove to you that painting is possible by reproducing the Mona Lisa to exact detail.
@@insertphrasehere15 ok, but how can you achieve that level just using your eyes ? how can you EVEN PERCEIVE the measurement of such small distances? we are talking about measurings of 0.1 mm. take a ruler and look what 0.1 mm means. Do you realise how small that is ? how can you make almost perfect 90 degree angles taking this into account? how will you make almost perfect paralel walls as well? you will say a life time EXPERIENCE to which I will remain silent because it's absurd
Where did the handles suddenly appear from? Good try but unconvincing.
A proof of concept clearly shown but you dont understand it.
say the egyptians used 1 month on carving such a vase. didn't they find 40 000 vases under the step-pyramid? The egyptians could have carved so many vases in 3 years, if 1000 stonecarvers worked coherently at the same time with it, or 33 years if 100 carvers dit it etc. think about the amount of work needed to make all these ancient structures as well. was every egyptian born a stonemason? .. hmm... apparently there was nothing else to do back then. just thinking out loud. But great videos!
Amazing amount of work.
The handles seems to be hard work. They just suddenly appears at 4:02 in the video howeever :)
The lathe appears some time during the Third Kingdom. There are archaeological finds supporting this. In my mind there must have been techniques predating the lathe. What is shown in the video is one plausible example.
Well done!
As inefficient as that was imagine a few thousand people making those at a time. Production could be astronomical once the initial lag time from start to first product passes.
One thing a lot of the “high technology” people seem to forget (or don’t care to notice) is not everything the eqyptains made was to a high standard. Looking at the finest artifacts in a museum doesn’t give a accurate look at a whole culture. Just as looking at a billionaires house doesn’t have much in common with what the average persons house/possessions. Expensive hand made pots like this wouldn’t have been the average, and they would have likely been kept in better shape just as possessions of a billionaire would. More likely to make it the test of time. In 10,000 years people could dig up a nasa shuttle and think the average person traveled in space, but that’s clearly not the case.
Well said!
The most realist thing ive ever read. Thank you. I enjoyed reading that
Impressive, indeed! As to the idea that these works of stone were somewhat rare and expensive artifacts and as such survived due to being much cared for and treasured, I disagree. Over 30,000 were found near the step pyramid. Finally, the precision of this work has my highest respect. Granite pieces only 3" or so high have such precision that they can be placed horizontally with no signs of imbalance!? Your effort is still worthy of respect but I do not feel name calling of the "lost technology" believers serves any benefit. Instead, perhaps yourself or others will be inspired in future attempts (working with comparatively hard stones) to achieve similar tolerances in pieces truly rivaling these examples of the highest art and craftmanship!
@@seangrexa4707 do you have a source of the information that 30k of the same type of vases were found at the step pyramid? I have read about vessels that were found but never saw any evidence that they all were done to a high level of quality or that all of them were made out of granite or equally as hard materials. My understanding is that not all of them were even close to the same quality as the best specimens that found their way into museums.
Realistically it’s safe to say they had lathes and spun materials. Humans were just as smart in the Egyptian days as they are now when it comes to taking a hard job and making it easier. People doing back breaking work will find anyway possible to make it easier. If it’s at all possible to do “the impossible” with the simplest of tools then it is clearly possible to do it. That’s the biggest hole in the people who think it wasn’t possible for the Egyptians to do what they did. All their opinions fall apart for two reasons 1) clearly they did it because the evidence exists that they did such as pyramids and stoneware and 2) it has been proven that everything they did could be done with primitive methods. Cutting granite slabs? Not a issue with water and a abrasive. Unless a person suggests aliens helped it’s a pretty clear cut answer of they did it themselves. The hangup for most people seems to be that they couldn’t have done it for one of two reasons 1) there wasn’t enough time, and 2) they wouldn’t have spent 20 years beating rocks with rocks to make something because that’s just inefficient and stupid. Well just because something is inefficient doesn’t mean it wasn’t done that way.
Realistically based on all the evidence I have seen I have a opinion they had lathes and at a minimum other simple machines. At some point they likely discovered iron or some alloy that helped progress. Simple things such as harder tools and a lathe can take a job that would take 10,000 hours and turn it into a day job. People get so caught up on it being impossible, like the Egyptians just had 100 men working 3 hours a week with tooth picks and managed to build everything.
@@lakeschoolrestorationchann1567 many of those bowls and vases were sold all over Egypt France and other countries around the world. In the early 1900s the barbarians bought mummies And had unwrapping mommy parties for the rich. They also crushed them and use them for fertilizer in their gardens.
Can we all agree at least that the lathe is a technology that was lost between whatever time the bowls were made and ancient Egypt?
When did the Egyptians discover the wheel?
Haha, interesting question!
I can't believe she proved us all wrong by completely changing every possible facet of each parameter! I can replicate the Mona Lisa watch I'll show you how by making a Pikachu decoration out of Papier Mache. I mean it's mostly the same thing isn't it?
Very cool, are those metal screws and metal hammers being used?
Looks very good and a very interesting experiment! I know the egyptians make bowls a 2-3mm thin and even from one of the hardest rock types known to man, totally flawless and seemingly with ease too
She's an experimental archeologist, and with all due respect, compared to someone who was making a living doing stonework in ancient Egypt, she is a hack. The experiment shown is just a proof of concept, but someone who has been practicing these skills for most of their life would be able to do thin walled vases out of granite.
A R I would love to see a thin walled piece of hard stone just to see how it would be made but one thing that makes little sense to me is why make thousands and thousands of stone lamps, cups and bowls in the hardest way possible? Why not just make it out if clay? To me together with the insanly massive obelixs, giant boxes, and the enormous statues tells me they did it with easily! Not just is some of the bigger pieces hard to do even today with modern machines but even the moving of these things seems like it was a walk in the park
@@AR-zq9hq I wouldn’t call her a hack, she is skilled. This does not represent the perfection found in Egyptian bowls and statues that are basically perfect. I would call it the best attempt to try and reproduce something we don’t understand, that I have seen. But I’m not convinced even a little this is how these amazing artifacts were made. And I still want someone to show me a piece of copper pipe from ancient Egypt I have not seen it!
@@favne8345you're confusing modern values with old values. Go back four centuries and just a few hundred noble families in a given country owned all the good quality ceramics, but each family owned many sets even though an individual piece was far too expensive for someone even from the middle class to afford. The concentration of wealth in a few families made the value of labor - even skilled labor - relatively trivial.
I am so impressed.
A large portion found at the bent period were of the hardest forms granites. A interesting film.
amazing effort, and great results
Thanks for making this. I'm tired of hearing that ancient Egyptians needed electricity and special machinery to work stone like they did.
You just need a clever mind and elbow grease.
Wellcome!
Some of their accomplishments required a primitive/advanced lighting system unknown to us still. For example subterranean tunneling was done without fire. However her vase is awesome! well done.
she says at the end that it took her 6 months at 6-8 hours a day. And she broke it. This is a completely impractical amount of time for a single vase. The egyptians were clearly more advanced than this.
This just convince me even more that somewhere along the way we lost the technology that the old kingdom had to build thin, perfectly cut vases.
What is a perfectly cut vase?
This is clever but I think there is a leap required from what you're doing to what was done in much harder stone and conglomerates that you would not be able to make using the same process. After all, people have been working marble with tremendous, impressive results for millennia. And not simply the hardness of the material but what was often the tiny openings on some of the vases as well as the almost impossibly thin walls. There are some that are actually translucent. If you put one of those in some of your contraptions (they are clever contraptions though, no offense intended) they would shatter.
You're probably aware of all this. There's a mystery here that I do not believe you have solved. I don't subscribe to any 'lost high technology' or similar theories but I really don't think anyone has come up with an explanation as to how this fine ancient vases and plates were made. Good effort though!
No abrasives work the same regardless you just use ones that will cut the harder material.
Agreed. Remember what material this vase was made out of as well. Marble. There's a reason the ancient Renaissance sculptors used marble instead of granite and other harder materials. It's a beautiful vase. No doubt. And give credit to the amount of time and effort that went into this, but this vase simply doesn't compare to the much more intricate, symmetrical, and harder medium vases that have been uncovered in Egypt and elsewhere.
Super freaking impressed!
But now do this with granite....
Tanks! that was exactly what i was thinking..finally some sense in a RUclips full of tin foil hats..
Except Egyptians made vases from granite and some corundum.. 7-9 out of 10. That is what makes it such a mystery. She’s working with a 3ish 4 stone. And the ones in Egypt are paper thin. It’s honestly mind boggling.
@@winmusic9887 it would just take more time bro, this channel already made a video drilling granite ruclips.net/video/yyCc4iuMikQ/видео.html&vl=fr-FR
The tin foil hat is thinking that was even close.
This woman is an international treasure.
I love Olga Vdovina does she have her own channel???
No she doesn't. This is Olga's last experiment: ruclips.net/video/uQqxx7ksaKc/видео.html
Respect. Fantastic achievement. But nowhere near the 0.1mm accuracy in diameter seen on granite jars of the pre-Egyptian period.
First the obvious. How do you know that supposed "0.1mm accuracy" was intentional...... Measuring some vase in truth only proves that a given object has given dimensions. It does not by extension supposedly prove it was not possible to create using a given technology - nor as alluded to the creator intended said dimension. They could have simply created something they thought appeared right and its final dimensions turned out to be whatever.
Next is the artisan in the video is simply showing it was possible to shape stone into a vase using these supposed "primitive tools". While they are an artisan it is a reasonable assumption they do not make these types of objects for a living = as the ancient Egyptians did. So were they to spend likely years perfecting their craft and subsequently create numerous copies of vases etc. over their lifetime = no doubt their skill level would reflect this.
Moral of the story: Michelangelo created both the Tondo Pitti and the Pietta. One reflects a somewhat crude appearance aesthetically while the other displays considerable detail. The former was a quickie commission piece intended to be sold while the latter was intended for the tomb of a wealthy Cardinal.
So same artisan = but different outcomes based upon the time and resources devoted to the project. You can not hold up one "good" example while ignoring other less detailed ones to scream "impossibility!" as some do. You must account for the reality of what is alluded to. Some craftsmen are more skilled than others and apply differing levels of effort to what is made. Measuring a vase is not disproving a method of production. For that you must show it was not possible = not simply claim it....... 🤨
Nowhere near the quality of ancient Egypt vases
Then you never saw any Egyptian vases.