And yet... I’m still wondering if I should spend the extra $50 for an NVME. 😄 The USB ports on the PS5 can handle more than the 560 MBs of a SATA drive. What if Sony unlocks that speed with a firmware update. I also wonder if there’s any difference in game performance (fps) on games that require a lot of asset streaming.
Could you add links in the description to the SATA adapters / NVME enclosures used? Please feel free to make them affiliate links as well, happy to support that way.
Hey Richard, after watching your video's with the ssd speeds, I decided to go with the SATA 4TB with the Sabrent USB 3.1 hook up for my Series X....can't wait to get these items for my backwards compatibility to be seriously exclusive, reading and writing the games back for play...awesome work my Man...you are the GOAT 🐐 👏🏾😎 Thanks
Thanks for this Richard. Using an external SATA SSD instead of an NVME will save me a good amount of cash on my storage setup for PS5 once I get one. I'll be using a 2TB SATA external for my ps4 games, and will add a 2TB NVME internal for my PS5 games once that feature is added. A pricey setup for gaming, no doubt, but I already put far more than that into my PC and backup systems.
Very good review and informative content, with detailed side by side comparisons. You guys even tested the front and back usb slots to clear up any differences if any. I think most of the 'what ifs' have been considered when you did your review.
@@goncaloduarte4683 It's not if it's using usb 4 features, or even 10gb usb 3.2, but it's obviously not using either. After they bragged about their storage speeds this is pretty embarrassing. Their internal ssd is getting beaten by a sata ssd via usb a.
@@DanKaschel you should research a bit more on SSD tech and the tech Sony (and MS) are using to take advantage of the hardware. Not even USB 4 can match the PS5 SSD.
Still gonna go with a HDD for the backlog of PS4 games. I've got around 100 discs, and with offloading some PS5 games to it instead of deleting them, I'm looking at 5tb external storage. HDD is a lot cheaper for that capacity
Make a list of the games you will most likely play and move only them to the storage device. I'm sure you wont even touch most of the 100 games you mentioned. I myself sometimes bought games just because they were cheap and never touched them again xD
@@mytop3467 this is true. It's just I sometimes feel like playing some random game I haven't played in ages and I need to have it installed ready to go. Just the other day I really felt like playing dark souls 3. It had been years since I played it. but it wasn't installed. By the time it finished I didn't have time :( but for the most part yes, you're right
While I hadn't seen this video test series or even discovered this channel yet, My main reason to move all my PS4 games external was to be able to swap between living room and bed room, PS4 to PS5 without wasting a lot of space on either for redundant games, but later chose SSD to load faster/smoother and started sorting them accordingly. I decided to use an external SSD for my racing type games and external HDD for indie/story driven dramas. Of course I'd love to have everything on one SSD but my $$ tree dried out...and since I bought PS5 I've been in worse luck financially. Thankfully while my health recovers I have great videos like these to help guide my decisions, and in some cases reinforce ones I made.
I am currently watching the PS5 patch video and looking at external HDDs then this video just dropped. This will compliment my search. It’s like DF just read my mind 😂😂 thanks guys!!
Sadly they only tested a notebook HDD with a 2.5" drive in it, so very very likely only a 5400rpm unit, same as consoles used in the past. A 7200rpm drive (which are most internal but also some external) are much faster. I don't have nearly as long loading screens on PC for games placed still on HDD for that reason.
Crucial has the 2tb X8 USB 3.2/Type-c external NVME for only $220 on Amazon. That is only $10 more than a Samsung 2tb 870 QVO with the Sabrent adapter, at least for the US market. IMO, the extra $10 is worth it.
What a difference a year makes. I grabbed a 2tb Crucial MX500 for $100 off Amazon a couple days ago. Have 1 in my PS4 pro and 1 as external ps5 storage. I see faster times with the ps4 pro with the mx500 internal than ps5 with games not optimized for ps5.
This is exactly the video I was waiting from you guys!! However, I'd love you to consider measuring using an external SSD like the Crucial X6 / X8 or the Sandisk Extreme Portable SSD that have no SATA bottleneck and claim speeds 1000 MB/s and upwards. I mean, if the consoles do benefit from that extended data bandwidth and tap into the actual drive speed untethered, while the prices are around the same anyways (sometimes externals are even cheaper and less cumbersome than getting the internal SSD + enclosure + USB cable), these might eventually become the best choice for console user!
Problem is those fast external drives that claim up to 1GBps are all using USB 3.2 2x1, so they require 2 lanes to reach that speed. If you look up ps5 usb port specifications you’ll find a Sony page that says all 2x1 drives run at 1x1 speed, meaning no higher than the standard 300-450 or so mbps you get on a regular old USB3 SSD/adapter. (Limited to 5Gbps plus overhead as opposed to the 10Gbps that a 1x2 or 2x1 drive or 20Gbps a 2x2 drive can run at) In order to pull higher than that Sony claims you need to be using a USB 3.2 2x2 adapter/drive, which can go up to 10Gbps apparently, but it’s almost impossible to find these specifications on drives/adapters, and the popular ones are all 2x1 or 1x2, both of which are limited to 3.0 speeds on PS5.
@H N Saving 10 seconds? You clearly have no idea how any of this works. It's MUCH more than that, and on top of that, it provides a back up for the future. Eventually PSN will be gone, or at least, will stop supporting PS5. Maybe that'll be 20 years, maybe it will be more or less, but eventually, Sony will have to stop supporting the system, and I'd rather keep all of my installs with all of their updates stored so that I can still play them long after that happens. Buying discs will also mean that if anything happens to that data, I can still reinstall, even though I will lose the patches, in most cases games are still fully playable at v1.0.
@H N You're talking about for PS4 games? It's a lot faster than running them off a HDD. Not just 10 seconds, but in terms of loading time, 10 seconds is actually a lot. However, again, FAR more reliable than a HDD. It wasn't $500. I paid less than $400 for that, but I am definitely wiling to buy the 8TB when I run out of internal space to store my PS5 games. Completely justifiable expense knowing that your games are far more secure long term than they would be on a HDD, and far faster transfer back to the internal drive as well.
Can’t wait till the m2 slot is enabled and we know more about which drives are supported and how they will perform. Prices on all the PCIe 4.0 SSDs are going up significantly! I wish I could’ve known what to buy already
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I wish you guys had tested an external 3.5" 7200 RPM drive. Sure it needs an additional power source compared to the 2.5" drives, but based on the somewhat limited improvements of going SSD for back compat on PS5 in particular, that seems like it would be the sweet spot for bulk storage in terms of cost and maybe even performance. I mean, a lot of the numbers between the external HDD and SSD are close enough to the ~33% speed increase you would expect from a 5400 RPM to 7200 RPM drive. It really seems like something else is limiting performance like you suggested.
Not really, SSD's can see an improvement of more than a 100% as seeing on this video, something a 7200rpm drive could never match. So SSD's are the way to go clearly.
Thanks Rich - Went for a 2tb SATA SSD for storing PS4 titles based on your series X video, good to know this was also a good choice for PS5! Looking forward to PS5 NVMe tests!
This makes it clear that Solid State Drive performance is mostly just marketing. All performance is measured is linear transfer to obtain the highest number, which is just mostly data transfer (the larger the chunk, the faster the drive will go). But once we get to actual data access and loading, NVMe doesn't even saturate the SATA bus when it comes to a lower Queue Depth! Makes me wonder what performance would RAM drives do... or even Intel's Optane 905p...
Id argue its even more interesting because we’re familiar with the different drives already and its interesting to see how console react with the third party hardware in them
For my SeriesX I went with a 1TB SATA III for back compatible games and a 4TB HDD just for storing games. Both of these storage devices were less than $100. I'll be getting the Xbox expandable card when prices get lower. Another perk for the SATA III isn't just load times but some older games that got optimized for SeriesX|S can be played on the external SATA III with all the upgrades to the game. Been doing this day one on SeriesX 😉
Those same games can also be played from an HDD. Nothing to do with a SATA. It's just that the game only recieved minor updates like framerate or whatever. Like Warhammer Vermintide 2 or Halo MCC can be run on my Series X from my HDD.
Maybe we can compare numbers. I got 6:37 copying Cyberpunk 2077 version 1.21 to my T7. Can you tell me what you get on T5? Theoretically T7 should outperform the T5 based on their max USB speeds and USB speeds supported by the PS5. I have other games if you don't have Cyberpunk for comparison.
@@servantbyday Oh yeah, don't know why I got confused for a sec. I'm so tired. I've been looking to get an external nvme ssd as well for a few weeks now but I think the priority for me will be an internal ssd first when they patch this up.
Glad to see them finally add this function, 667GB just isn't enough space, especially when you have the PS+ collection. So being able to backup PS5 games externally should help, especially for those with slower DL speeds (or even data caps...). I have a feeling that if it launched in a normal year it would have been a day 1 feature, its feasible that the elephant in the room delayed certain features. I swapped my base PS4 (CUH-1200) internal 1TB HDD for a 1TB SSD (Crucial MX500) over the Christmas break and have been playing & replaying various games over the past few months. Going in I knew that the difference wouldn't be night and day, but I figured it was with a try as worst case I could re-use the drive later if/when I get a PS5. Performance was basically in line with my expectations, but I'm very happy with the results. Shaving off 1/3 (sometimes up to 1/2) of the loading time is common, along with making the PS4 UI, game captures etc much more responsive (had become very sluggish on HDD). Before I did the upgrade, I tested various games that were already installed on the HDD and then repeated loading those same saves when I did a backup & restore to the SSD. Here are a few: HDD/SSD - game - PS4 UI to game menu / menu to in-game / total load time HDD - Death Stranding (v1.12) - 30.91s / 66.19s / 1m37.1s SSD - Death Stranding (v1.12) - 26.49s / 36.81s / 1m03.3s HDD - The Last of Us p2 (v1.07) - 52.02s / 61.18s / 1m53.2s SSD - The Last of Us p2 (v1.07) - 44.09s / 40.81s / 1m24.9s HDD - Spider-Man 2018 (v1.19) - 52.17s / 32.83s / 1m25.0s SSD - Spider-Man 2018 (v1.19) - 37.89s / 18.41s / 56.3s HDD - No Man's Sky (v3.13) - 26.74s / 1m47.56s / 2m14.3s SSD - No Man's Sky (v3.13) - 22.04s / 1m19.56s / 1m41.6s
If people are confused about some of the issues it's due to the way sony handles back compat as well as decompression is in the works. Ps5 unless it's using mode 3 for BC games runs games at a much lower clock rate. This is to ensure game code does not have any issues and to give the most compatibility. Just because cpus are the same between xsx and ps5 (meaning both were jaguars, and now both are using rdna2 as well as zen2 however the sdks and gdks as well as the actual code for the games are immensely different, just because xsx game code can use the full cpu/gpu without issue does not mean the ps4 equivalent can do that for ps5). So we have slower clocked cpu/gpu. Next there is the issue of compression in general. As pretty much shown by LTT old gen for console and current technique for pc have a hard data cap. Meaning SATA 3 SSDs are pretty much the limit. Doesn't matter how much faster nvme is. It could just be a little bit faster or a top of the line gen 3 or even gen 4 and the gains are miniscule. The new decompression techniques that sony is using as well as a version of it that MS is using fixes this data limit. Hence why when games use it we are seeing much faster performance. So again if anyone is thinking that the custom ssd in ps5 or a top of the line gen4 nvme ssd is bullshit you are fundementally wrong. They are not. It's just that older games have a data cap of around 550-1000MBps. It cannot really go faster than that. This is why you can get away with still using sata ssds for games. However once more and more game companies start using the next gen techniques the more evident a gen 3 or gen 4 nvme ssd will be needed alongside direct storage and a compatible gpu.
Don't forget though, while you can now store PS5 games externally, you can only play them once you move them back onto your PS5's internal SSD. PS4 games on the other hand can be played straight from an external storage device, freeing up even more space on your PS5 itself.
I would say that the reason the internal storage is a bit slower is due to the is requiring bandwidth (or other operations running in the background) thus slowing it down vs the external nvme and external ssd....
Just got the same ssd yesterday! I'm using it as an external for the ps5 to play ps4 games. I was debating to get the 2tb version, but figured 1tb would be enough for back compat ps4 games. The extra $100 it would've cost for the 2tb version, ill put towards the nvme drive that Sony will approve to expand the PS5 later this year. I buy physical so if i delete the games, it shouldn't be too bad to reinstall.
They were testing last gen games which means the ps5 was in legacy mode (backwards compatibility). In legacy mode the ps5’s ssd is used but it’s only used to perform around 100-200mbytes per second which is not even close to the ps5’s 5.5gb/s.
The games don't leverage PS5's dedicated IO hardware, new 6 level priority scheme or even the raw speed of the drive... it is just PS4 games running on PS5.
@@balloonb0y677 legacy mode is just normal mode 4K block speed for any modern ssd. There is no legacy mode u dumbfuker. U can throw Miles Morales on external ssd and will get same speed iam wonder why DF dont test it, may be coz they don't wanna dissapoint all ps5 fanbois.
One thing they seem to not mention as a PS4 or Pro owner. You can actually buy an ssd and install it as a replacement of the consoles internal HDD. Sony even provides the support and software to help with a fresh start/OS install with that new SSD. Just food for thought, as not everyone wants an external solution and using the direct Sata bus of the onboard controller with a replacement SSD, will provide impressive results.
It doesn't really surprise me that that the write speed of the PS5 internal drive is significantly slower than it's reads. Write's usually won't matter since you're reading the games from disc to SSD and download to SSD under most normal circumstances which are both going to be fairly slow so write speed doesn't really matter. Read is the far more important one here so it makes sense to optimize the drive for that vs. writes. Even on PC that's generally the case outside of the uber high end stuff. Read's are usually 1/3 to 50% faster than writes on most modestly priced drives.
Richard, the tests that favor external SSDs vs. internal could be related to concurrent r/w operations of the OS? Booting these games from an external drive might free that extra oomph in favor of the OS to handle its duties in the internal SSD. The same could apply in the future for PS5 games, if the expanded storage is not merged with the internal one.
Hmmm...Coming from a PC perspective, an SSD that has Windows & apps installed on it, makes virtually no difference to game boot/load times, than one that hasn't. Therefore, I doubt they'll would be any definable difference, either with or without the OS on the same SSD as the game. The OS is always relatively 'low key priority', when running games anyway.
@@fafski1199 Depends. If you have your pagefile on the same drive as your game, there will definitely be a difference. Your pagefile is almost always used by most games even if you have plenty of free ram (Especially open world games). Keeping some decompressed data in the pagefile is just more efficient. This is why it's "recommended" to keep your pagefile in a drive that's separate from where you store your application/game.
@@TexelGuy The thing is, it's such a negligible difference of just a few 10ths of a second, it's barely even worth mentioning. I've got a pair of identical 500GB NVMe Western Digital Blue's SSD's in my PC. One with Windows/apps on it and the other without. Now, I've already been there myself, just out of pure curiosity and tested out speeds on both (and not just games). Like I said, the difference when it come to games bootup/load times on both, times are often negligible or dismissible at best. Even in a a few cases, where there are a few tenths of a second difference, it still defiantly wouldn't be worth wasting your time, transferring the game across to a 'non' OS drive.
@@fafski1199 Digital Foundry saw a difference of about ~2 seconds between the internal PS5 drive and external, so it's not impossible, depending on how the PS5 does things and also depending on the game. Some games might use more system drive bandwidth than others depending on how they were programmed to manage memory, so offloading the game to a completely different drive helped split the load.
Don't worry. If they catch enough heat, they'll do one of those fake Japanese apologies where the corporate suits bow in shame at a press conference for like 5 minutes. That makes everything better.
They were testing last gen games which means the ps5 was in legacy mode (backwards compatibility). In legacy mode the ps5’s ssd is used but it’s only used to perform around 100-200mbytes per second which is not even close to the ps5’s 5.5gb/s.
@@edmundmondo1682 its like u have super speed sql database and ordinary filesystem without quck streaming, so may be this little guy kinda right, we need games with different game data unpacking technology. Maybe MMorales had it, we will see after sony enable internal nvme slot.
Great video Richard. This clearly shows the bottleneck is somewhere else and it might even be mostly related to software and how ps4 games and even the operating system itself (the OS does the "dirty job" of communicating with the hardware) were built to engage with storage.
One thing of note to anyone who is thinking about getting an M.2 internal SSD. Since the internal M.2 slot has now been enabled, if you install an M.2 drive, you can now also have another external storage device connected for 3 total storage devices (Internal, Internal M.2, and External). Tested with my 980 Pro M.2 and a Samsung 870 QVO. I mention this because PS5 does not allow for 2 external storage devices to be connected at the same time. I highly recommend getting an M.2 for just this reason with the added bonus or making transfering games much easier. Cheers!
This is great news for alot of people that weren't wanting to spend mega loads on a pci express 4.0 nvme drive, they can store ps4 games on a sata ssd and save all the valuable internal storage for ps5 games that actually are capable of getting instant load times.
To be honest, I rather deal with slower loading times than with the constant copying of games. I can play the PS4 games I already have by just switching my external HDD from my PS4 to my PS5. Only PS5 games that radically benefit from the internal storage are worth keeping in there. For 20 seconds longer I rather have a mechanical HDD than a way more expensive external SSD.
Without currently having enough outright PS5 titles to warrant keeping PS4 titles off the internal, I've just been using it for my PS4 titles I'm actively playing. Witcher 3's loading times are just such a quality of life improvement. It may only be 20seconds at one moment, but if you're fast travelling all over the map, it adds up to many minutes of improvements, and just makes the whole thing not feel like a chore, where previously it did tbh.
@@janguvpes7518 That is a good example of the exception and a game worth playing from the internal SSD, but not worth buying an external SSD for, they are too expensive. I'll wait for the compatible NVME drives.
@@Aristowi I think it depends really. As my internal begins to fill with actual PS5 games, the argument for running PS4 games from a separate SATA SSD gets stronger. As you can see from the DF testing, you're getting the same/marginally better speeds. Can get drives for around the 80 quid mark, so it's not crazy expensive.
@@danielecastagna6644 Not true. At the launch they were saying the ps5's internal ssd has tech ahead of it's time. Turns out the Series X has a better solution even being a little slower.
I always suspected the speed was capped for back compatible games. Great to know I can put now a cheap sata usb ssd to upgrade my ps5. Thank you very much!
Why can't sony allow my ps4 games to run on my entire 16gb of ram? What will it cost Sony to do a native mode or compatibility mode for God's sake. When I bought a ps4 Pro, they literally converted it back to a base ps4. Now they've converted my ps5 back to a ps4 pro! Why on earth did i buy a ps5 then?
Thanks for this video, I will admit I would not have thought this to be the case. But after seeing this I went out and bought a USB SSD drive to move all my PS4 games to the SSD and install some games I wanted to but had not because I wanted to conserve room on my PS5. This is great news.
Won't make a diff really. Back compat titles are capped at like 500MBps to ensure compatibility, that's why they're all about the same includin internal. Wish you could turn that limit off as I'm sure it wont break a lot of games. Like on PS2/PS3 back compat where you could choose faster loading or normal if there were issues.
@@Arcona There's a very high probability that's correct, but we won't know before it has been tested. I also would like to mention that if they can patch in double frame rates etc they should also be able to unlock the read speed. Looking at Emulators for the older machines, we all know that it works on many games.
I'm not that tech savvy so would like to ask: would be better for me to buy Samsung internal ssd (in the video) or Samsung T5? Price is the same (adapter included). Like, which one is technically better?
@@givemorexp connected to a PC, the internal would be faster because of the connection type. Connected to a PS5 it won't matter, but the T5 is cheaper since you won't have to buy the adapter.
I already have a Samsung 870 QVO 4Tb fitted internally in my PS4 Pro, which I haven't turned on since I got my PS5. So I just need that Sabrent cable, then I'll swap my PS4 back to its OEM HDD and solve my PS5 storage dilemma! Great video as always boys, thanks!
@@balloonb0y677 I have it in an external enclosure. From everything I've seen I'll be able to plug it in and use it for my ps4 games and archive ps5 games.
Good to know, I can use the 1TB SATA SSD I have lying around without feeling like the load times are compromised or letting the drive go to waste. Just need to grab that Sabrent adapter for max efficiency!
It's a bit strange to use the 870 QVO for write speed tests, as it isn't indicative of most SATA SSD speeds. It uses slower QLC memory vs the TLC used in most drives. The 2 to 8 TB drives have a 78GB cache - during this time it'll write at up to 530MB/s, after which it'll drop to 160MB/s for the rest of the copy. So in the file copy example in the video 23% of the 102GB copy happened at a max of 160MB/s, and for the first 77% it was within margin of error of the NVME. An 870 EVO will sustain its max speed indefinitely, so would be the same as the NVME, as it's the PS5 bottlenecking speeds here.
Richard is indeed that dude. I wish my professors in college taught subjects the way Richard explains tech.
Agreed . Richard would make a great teacher plus he's a likeable guy.
I dont agree
@@elmehdizine7022 Why don’t you ?
@@aymeric50800 they don't know. They just wanted to be different and edgey
There are teachers or professors like that. It's just that you're not interested in the subject.
It looks like you got a new camera, Rich. The depth of field is great and the color is... rich.
They have to adjust the contrast level when Rich is on video. It's so gray and wash out looking.
He looks better in this video as well but maybe because his seating position is different
@@MichaelM28 Me impressed
What about the clarity though
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This is the info I wanted!
Now you got it 🤓
We complain so much about load times, and then we watch a 17 minute long video about load times :,D
all jokes aside DF is awesome :)
And yet... I’m still wondering if I should spend the extra $50 for an NVME. 😄 The USB ports on the PS5 can handle more than the 560 MBs of a SATA drive. What if Sony unlocks that speed with a firmware update. I also wonder if there’s any difference in game performance (fps) on games that require a lot of asset streaming.
Same
Very, errr, solid content.
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You're grounded
Nice.
Dad?
Your comment... drives me insane.
Wow, that's some quality, useful content. Thank you very much, Richard! =D
And Tom, who did all the testing!
These are all inferior to a backup battery on a NES Zelda cartridge from 1984. That loads instantly.
and only holds a few kilobytes :D
Could you add links in the description to the SATA adapters / NVME enclosures used? Please feel free to make them affiliate links as well, happy to support that way.
You have to be GIVEN an affiliate code by a retailer.
I think they linked them on the last video
Lookup the eurogamer article in the description, Tom linked all of products in the beginning.
Any cheap Amazon 3.0usb will do
Just go with an u green case
Rich’s outros always remind me the he’s a proper British games journalist.
I can just imagine reading sentences like that in a mag from the late 90s.
EDGE mag stuff
@@ahuman9864 SEGA Saturn Magazine, more like.
@@orijimi I’m aware of leadbetters credentials
The quality goes to Richard, the "British" part carries no intrinsic value, trust me :D
Hey Richard, after watching your video's with the ssd speeds, I decided to go with the SATA 4TB with the Sabrent USB 3.1 hook up for my Series X....can't wait to get these items for my backwards compatibility to be seriously exclusive, reading and writing the games back for play...awesome work my Man...you are the GOAT 🐐 👏🏾😎 Thanks
Thanks for this Richard. Using an external SATA SSD instead of an NVME will save me a good amount of cash on my storage setup for PS5 once I get one. I'll be using a 2TB SATA external for my ps4 games, and will add a 2TB NVME internal for my PS5 games once that feature is added. A pricey setup for gaming, no doubt, but I already put far more than that into my PC and backup systems.
is the ext sata still working good? Not slowed down?
Very good review and informative content, with detailed side by side comparisons. You guys even tested the front and back usb slots to clear up any differences if any. I think most of the 'what ifs' have been considered when you did your review.
So play back compat games on an external SSD and internal for PS5 games.
PS5 specific games or versions games can't be played on an external.
@@Plasmacat1 yeah, USB is too slow.
That's what I've been doing for months..!
@@goncaloduarte4683 It's not if it's using usb 4 features, or even 10gb usb 3.2, but it's obviously not using either. After they bragged about their storage speeds this is pretty embarrassing. Their internal ssd is getting beaten by a sata ssd via usb a.
@@DanKaschel you should research a bit more on SSD tech and the tech Sony (and MS) are using to take advantage of the hardware.
Not even USB 4 can match the PS5 SSD.
Still gonna go with a HDD for the backlog of PS4 games. I've got around 100 discs, and with offloading some PS5 games to it instead of deleting them, I'm looking at 5tb external storage. HDD is a lot cheaper for that capacity
So you still gotta dig out the disc each time you wanna swap between those 100 games 🤔
Make a list of the games you will most likely play and move only them to the storage device. I'm sure you wont even touch most of the 100 games you mentioned. I myself sometimes bought games just because they were cheap and never touched them again xD
@@mytop3467 this is true. It's just I sometimes feel like playing some random game I haven't played in ages and I need to have it installed ready to go. Just the other day I really felt like playing dark souls 3. It had been years since I played it. but it wasn't installed. By the time it finished I didn't have time :( but for the most part yes, you're right
@@amilyester cd folder makes it easy. Once you have a lot of discs, cd folder is pretty much necessary for convenience
While I hadn't seen this video test series or even discovered this channel yet,
My main reason to move all my PS4 games external was to be able to swap between living room and bed room,
PS4 to PS5 without wasting a lot of space on either for redundant games, but later chose SSD to load faster/smoother and started sorting them accordingly.
I decided to use an external SSD for my racing type games and external HDD for indie/story driven dramas.
Of course I'd love to have everything on one SSD but my $$ tree dried out...and since I bought PS5 I've been in worse luck financially.
Thankfully while my health recovers I have great videos like these to help guide my decisions, and in some cases reinforce ones I made.
I am currently watching the PS5 patch video and looking at external HDDs then this video just dropped. This will compliment my search. It’s like DF just read my mind 😂😂 thanks guys!!
Sadly they only tested a notebook HDD with a 2.5" drive in it, so very very likely only a 5400rpm unit, same as consoles used in the past. A 7200rpm drive (which are most internal but also some external) are much faster. I don't have nearly as long loading screens on PC for games placed still on HDD for that reason.
Crucial has the 2tb X8 USB 3.2/Type-c external NVME for only $220 on Amazon. That is only $10 more than a Samsung 2tb 870 QVO with the Sabrent adapter, at least for the US market.
IMO, the extra $10 is worth it.
What a difference a year makes. I grabbed a 2tb Crucial MX500 for $100 off Amazon a couple days ago. Have 1 in my PS4 pro and 1 as external ps5 storage. I see faster times with the ps4 pro with the mx500 internal than ps5 with games not optimized for ps5.
This is exactly the video I was waiting from you guys!! However, I'd love you to consider measuring using an external SSD like the Crucial X6 / X8 or the Sandisk Extreme Portable SSD that have no SATA bottleneck and claim speeds 1000 MB/s and upwards. I mean, if the consoles do benefit from that extended data bandwidth and tap into the actual drive speed untethered, while the prices are around the same anyways (sometimes externals are even cheaper and less cumbersome than getting the internal SSD + enclosure + USB cable), these might eventually become the best choice for console user!
Problem is those fast external drives that claim up to 1GBps are all using USB 3.2 2x1, so they require 2 lanes to reach that speed.
If you look up ps5 usb port specifications you’ll find a Sony page that says all 2x1 drives run at 1x1 speed, meaning no higher than the standard 300-450 or so mbps you get on a regular old USB3 SSD/adapter. (Limited to 5Gbps plus overhead as opposed to the 10Gbps that a 1x2 or 2x1 drive or 20Gbps a 2x2 drive can run at)
In order to pull higher than that Sony claims you need to be using a USB 3.2 2x2 adapter/drive, which can go up to 10Gbps apparently, but it’s almost impossible to find these specifications on drives/adapters, and the popular ones are all 2x1 or 1x2, both of which are limited to 3.0 speeds on PS5.
16:44 Richard "In the here and now" Leadbetter
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Looks like I made the right choice to get a 4TB QVO for my PS4 games and will eventually get the 8TB for backing up PS5 games.
Same
What we gonna do for NEW PS5 game?? When PS5 memory is full and no more space for NEW PS5 game....
@H N Saving 10 seconds? You clearly have no idea how any of this works. It's MUCH more than that, and on top of that, it provides a back up for the future. Eventually PSN will be gone, or at least, will stop supporting PS5. Maybe that'll be 20 years, maybe it will be more or less, but eventually, Sony will have to stop supporting the system, and I'd rather keep all of my installs with all of their updates stored so that I can still play them long after that happens. Buying discs will also mean that if anything happens to that data, I can still reinstall, even though I will lose the patches, in most cases games are still fully playable at v1.0.
@H N SSD is WAY faster than HDD, and a heck of a lot more reliable.
@H N You're talking about for PS4 games? It's a lot faster than running them off a HDD. Not just 10 seconds, but in terms of loading time, 10 seconds is actually a lot. However, again, FAR more reliable than a HDD. It wasn't $500. I paid less than $400 for that, but I am definitely wiling to buy the 8TB when I run out of internal space to store my PS5 games.
Completely justifiable expense knowing that your games are far more secure long term than they would be on a HDD, and far faster transfer back to the internal drive as well.
Can’t wait till the m2 slot is enabled and we know more about which drives are supported and how they will perform. Prices on all the PCIe 4.0 SSDs are going up significantly! I wish I could’ve known what to buy already
finally now is the time
I bought the very same NVME drive for the PS5 before its release. Now I have it connected to the series X.
Only works on Xbox One games tho right? Series X native games dont support external SSDs that arent the Seagate one from what I‘ve heard.
@@ptrcrispy I think he's saying it took 5.months to implement it so he said screw it and used it for his x.
@@ptrcrispy I wouldn't know, the newest game I got is cyberpunk 2077 and it works on both internal and external
@@ddmmmm771 @Damien yes 👍 and they still have not implemented it. The m2 slot still is inactivity
Wait... You mean you bought it thinking you could use it in the internal M.2 slot?
Wow, extensively answers my question on the last video about PS4 games running on an external SSD. Amazing video, thank you!
Spectacular comparison. Very hard work behind this 17 minutes video. Thanks a lot!!!!!!
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I wish you guys had tested an external 3.5" 7200 RPM drive. Sure it needs an additional power source compared to the 2.5" drives, but based on the somewhat limited improvements of going SSD for back compat on PS5 in particular, that seems like it would be the sweet spot for bulk storage in terms of cost and maybe even performance. I mean, a lot of the numbers between the external HDD and SSD are close enough to the ~33% speed increase you would expect from a 5400 RPM to 7200 RPM drive. It really seems like something else is limiting performance like you suggested.
Not really, SSD's can see an improvement of more than a 100% as seeing on this video, something a 7200rpm drive could never match. So SSD's are the way to go clearly.
Thank you, had been holding off buying anything u til you guys made this video.just ordered a 2tb SSD for my PS5. Thank you for doing the hard work!!!
You forgot to order one ☝️ for me
Which one did you go for
Which one?
Loved this deep dive, thanks for all the effort!
Thanks Rich - Went for a 2tb SATA SSD for storing PS4 titles based on your series X video, good to know this was also a good choice for PS5! Looking forward to PS5 NVMe tests!
You guys are gold!
Your hardwork deserves a like :)
Watching this and being amazed..........and I still don't have a PS5
I do. And you’re not missing out on anything yet. Nothing to play. It’s shite.
@@marknewcombe2488 wouldn’t say shite but once horizon and god of war and the big hitters drop it’s going to be the best out
xbox way better
@@oOoAlanWaKEoOo I agree. Should have got a series X.
I will wait for a revised version
Thanks for this video! Best channel ever.
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This makes it clear that Solid State Drive performance is mostly just marketing. All performance is measured is linear transfer to obtain the highest number, which is just mostly data transfer (the larger the chunk, the faster the drive will go). But once we get to actual data access and loading, NVMe doesn't even saturate the SATA bus when it comes to a lower Queue Depth! Makes me wonder what performance would RAM drives do... or even Intel's Optane 905p...
Richard is as usual in a solid state!!!
Even as a pc gamer this is interesting stuff to know.
Id argue its even more interesting because we’re familiar with the different drives already and its interesting to see how console react with the third party hardware in them
For my SeriesX I went with a 1TB SATA III for back compatible games and a 4TB HDD just for storing games. Both of these storage devices were less than $100. I'll be getting the Xbox expandable card when prices get lower.
Another perk for the SATA III isn't just load times but some older games that got optimized for SeriesX|S can be played on the external SATA III with all the upgrades to the game.
Been doing this day one on SeriesX 😉
Those same games can also be played from an HDD. Nothing to do with a SATA. It's just that the game only recieved minor updates like framerate or whatever. Like Warhammer Vermintide 2 or Halo MCC can be run on my Series X from my HDD.
@@nonyabusiness6084 but you miss out on faster load times without a SSD
@@carolinagamer2874 what exact models?
@@mr.blonde7812 SK Hynix Gold S31 SSD and a Seagate Portable 4TB HDD. Both are Amazon Choice items.
why dislike? It's such a valuable content.
Really wish you had tested PS4 Pro Internal SSD against everything else!
Still a great video
I've been using a T5 2TB SSD and it has been great.
Great ssd at great price
Get the t7. If u love the t5 u will fall in love with the t7
Maybe we can compare numbers. I got 6:37 copying Cyberpunk 2077 version 1.21 to my T7. Can you tell me what you get on T5? Theoretically T7 should outperform the T5 based on their max USB speeds and USB speeds supported by the PS5. I have other games if you don't have Cyberpunk for comparison.
@@mojaal Yes, please do this. I need to know which one to buy.
When you guys posted about the PS5 storage solution patch yesterday I thought this is where it was headed
Yeah but that update had no effect on what is shown in the video
@@xtremeuzilbj2352 indeed.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you
Yes! Was waiting for this test after your excellent ps4 pro external ssd article!!
Been using a 500GB sata ssd on my ps5 since launch. Nice to have
I thought you couldn't play ps5 games on external drive, just ps4.
@@JudgeFudge57 Yeah you can't. It's for PS4 titles.
@@servantbyday Oh yeah, don't know why I got confused for a sec. I'm so tired.
I've been looking to get an external nvme ssd as well for a few weeks now but I think the priority for me will be an internal ssd first when they patch this up.
@@JudgeFudge57 All good! I agree. Just using a 5tb hdd for ps4 games atm.
Missing transfer of PS5 titles to and back from external.
Glad to see them finally add this function, 667GB just isn't enough space, especially when you have the PS+ collection. So being able to backup PS5 games externally should help, especially for those with slower DL speeds (or even data caps...). I have a feeling that if it launched in a normal year it would have been a day 1 feature, its feasible that the elephant in the room delayed certain features.
I swapped my base PS4 (CUH-1200) internal 1TB HDD for a 1TB SSD (Crucial MX500) over the Christmas break and have been playing & replaying various games over the past few months. Going in I knew that the difference wouldn't be night and day, but I figured it was with a try as worst case I could re-use the drive later if/when I get a PS5.
Performance was basically in line with my expectations, but I'm very happy with the results. Shaving off 1/3 (sometimes up to 1/2) of the loading time is common, along with making the PS4 UI, game captures etc much more responsive (had become very sluggish on HDD). Before I did the upgrade, I tested various games that were already installed on the HDD and then repeated loading those same saves when I did a backup & restore to the SSD. Here are a few:
HDD/SSD - game - PS4 UI to game menu / menu to in-game / total load time
HDD -
Death Stranding (v1.12) - 30.91s / 66.19s / 1m37.1s
SSD - Death Stranding (v1.12) - 26.49s / 36.81s / 1m03.3s
HDD - The Last of Us p2 (v1.07) - 52.02s / 61.18s / 1m53.2s
SSD - The Last of Us p2 (v1.07) - 44.09s / 40.81s / 1m24.9s
HDD - Spider-Man 2018 (v1.19) - 52.17s / 32.83s / 1m25.0s
SSD - Spider-Man 2018 (v1.19) - 37.89s / 18.41s / 56.3s
HDD - No Man's Sky (v3.13) - 26.74s / 1m47.56s / 2m14.3s
SSD - No Man's Sky (v3.13) - 22.04s / 1m19.56s / 1m41.6s
If people are confused about some of the issues it's due to the way sony handles back compat as well as decompression is in the works.
Ps5 unless it's using mode 3 for BC games runs games at a much lower clock rate. This is to ensure game code does not have any issues and to give the most compatibility. Just because cpus are the same between xsx and ps5 (meaning both were jaguars, and now both are using rdna2 as well as zen2 however the sdks and gdks as well as the actual code for the games are immensely different, just because xsx game code can use the full cpu/gpu without issue does not mean the ps4 equivalent can do that for ps5).
So we have slower clocked cpu/gpu. Next there is the issue of compression in general. As pretty much shown by LTT old gen for console and current technique for pc have a hard data cap. Meaning SATA 3 SSDs are pretty much the limit. Doesn't matter how much faster nvme is. It could just be a little bit faster or a top of the line gen 3 or even gen 4 and the gains are miniscule.
The new decompression techniques that sony is using as well as a version of it that MS is using fixes this data limit. Hence why when games use it we are seeing much faster performance.
So again if anyone is thinking that the custom ssd in ps5 or a top of the line gen4 nvme ssd is bullshit you are fundementally wrong. They are not. It's just that older games have a data cap of around 550-1000MBps. It cannot really go faster than that.
This is why you can get away with still using sata ssds for games. However once more and more game companies start using the next gen techniques the more evident a gen 3 or gen 4 nvme ssd will be needed alongside direct storage and a compatible gpu.
:: waits for Sony to enable the expandable storage slot ::
and VRR and TLOU2 Patch and many more things.
Sweating Profusely
Tapping Fingers on desk
Looking at watch over and over to see if it's here yet
@@gameplayfirst6548 I thought they said ps5 couldn't use VRR
Great video.
Don't forget though, while you can now store PS5 games externally, you can only play them once you move them back onto your PS5's internal SSD. PS4 games on the other hand can be played straight from an external storage device, freeing up even more space on your PS5 itself.
Don't forget that the PS4/PS4 PRO use SATA to USB 3 adapters internally.
With DF videos, I smash the Like button before even watching.
Great video as usual guys!
Richard has upped his hand movement game with throwing some eyebrow Mexican wave moves into the mix. Truly a sight to behold
This is exactly what I wanted. Thank you for this.
Solid advice there. Now to just connect my SSD to my PS5....... oh wait I don't have a PS5 because there are none.
Rich: These were the most bothersome loading times of last gen.
XCOM 2: _Are my 10 minute loading screens a joke to you?_
Thanks for the content, Richard 'Hand Movement' Leadbetter!
I would say that the reason the internal storage is a bit slower is due to the is requiring bandwidth (or other operations running in the background) thus slowing it down vs the external nvme and external ssd....
Digital Foundary level of production is ridiculously good.
Uhh.. 50 seconds to load in witcher 3? It is about 8-10 seconds on series x - this seems insane.. is the ps5 cpu REALLY downclocked in bc mode??
I use the Evo 870 1tb SSD externally on my PS3 and it's runs very nice 🥊🥊
Just got the same ssd yesterday! I'm using it as an external for the ps5 to play ps4 games. I was debating to get the 2tb version, but figured 1tb would be enough for back compat ps4 games. The extra $100 it would've cost for the 2tb version, ill put towards the nvme drive that Sony will approve to expand the PS5 later this year. I buy physical so if i delete the games, it shouldn't be too bad to reinstall.
@@undone14 Nice! I need to join the ninth gen too 😂
*Sony drops PS5 update*
Digital Foundry: HOLD MY BONER!
great review with easy to understand comparisons!
Sony: We have the fastest storage available for improved loading times!
SATA SSD external: Hello!
But they didn't say they have the best backwards-compatibility :-)
They were testing last gen games which means the ps5 was in legacy mode (backwards compatibility). In legacy mode the ps5’s ssd is used but it’s only used to perform around 100-200mbytes per second which is not even close to the ps5’s 5.5gb/s.
The games don't leverage PS5's dedicated IO hardware, new 6 level priority scheme or even the raw speed of the drive... it is just PS4 games running on PS5.
@@balloonb0y677 legacy mode is just normal mode 4K block speed for any modern ssd. There is no legacy mode u dumbfuker. U can throw Miles Morales on external ssd and will get same speed iam wonder why DF dont test it, may be coz they don't wanna dissapoint all ps5 fanbois.
@@codethis2875 yes I see, ray tracing is just a feature out of many.
The very same NVMe enclosure I use on my laptop. DF has good taste!
One thing they seem to not mention as a PS4 or Pro owner. You can actually buy an ssd and install it as a replacement of the consoles internal HDD. Sony even provides the support and software to help with a fresh start/OS install with that new SSD. Just food for thought, as not everyone wants an external solution and using the direct Sata bus of the onboard controller with a replacement SSD, will provide impressive results.
Because this video is about the PS5.
It doesn't really surprise me that that the write speed of the PS5 internal drive is significantly slower than it's reads. Write's usually won't matter since you're reading the games from disc to SSD and download to SSD under most normal circumstances which are both going to be fairly slow so write speed doesn't really matter. Read is the far more important one here so it makes sense to optimize the drive for that vs. writes. Even on PC that's generally the case outside of the uber high end stuff. Read's are usually 1/3 to 50% faster than writes on most modestly priced drives.
He gets a like for the use of the word "beseech" 😁
Richard, the tests that favor external SSDs vs. internal could be related to concurrent r/w operations of the OS? Booting these games from an external drive might free that extra oomph in favor of the OS to handle its duties in the internal SSD.
The same could apply in the future for PS5 games, if the expanded storage is not merged with the internal one.
Hmmm...Coming from a PC perspective, an SSD that has Windows & apps installed on it, makes virtually no difference to game boot/load times, than one that hasn't. Therefore, I doubt they'll would be any definable difference, either with or without the OS on the same SSD as the game. The OS is always relatively 'low key priority', when running games anyway.
@@fafski1199 Paraphrasing Richard "PC tech in consoles doesn't necessarily behave as one might expect"
@@fafski1199 Depends. If you have your pagefile on the same drive as your game, there will definitely be a difference. Your pagefile is almost always used by most games even if you have plenty of free ram (Especially open world games). Keeping some decompressed data in the pagefile is just more efficient. This is why it's "recommended" to keep your pagefile in a drive that's separate from where you store your application/game.
@@TexelGuy The thing is, it's such a negligible difference of just a few 10ths of a second, it's barely even worth mentioning. I've got a pair of identical 500GB NVMe Western Digital Blue's SSD's in my PC. One with Windows/apps on it and the other without. Now, I've already been there myself, just out of pure curiosity and tested out speeds on both (and not just games). Like I said, the difference when it come to games bootup/load times on both, times are often negligible or dismissible at best. Even in a a few cases, where there are a few tenths of a second difference, it still defiantly wouldn't be worth wasting your time, transferring the game across to a 'non' OS drive.
@@fafski1199 Digital Foundry saw a difference of about ~2 seconds between the internal PS5 drive and external, so it's not impossible, depending on how the PS5 does things and also depending on the game. Some games might use more system drive bandwidth than others depending on how they were programmed to manage memory, so offloading the game to a completely different drive helped split the load.
I've been using a 2TB WD Blue M.2 SATA drive i had knocking about for the external storage on my PS5 for some time, works a treat.
I use Orico external closure with WD M.2 and is very slow :( Which model is your enclosure?
I do appreciate your office chair a lot.
Unbelievable! The super ultra mega fast internal PS5 SSD that Sony was so proud performs just like a common SSD! Sony and their BS always amaze me!
Don't worry. If they catch enough heat, they'll do one of those fake Japanese apologies where the corporate suits bow in shame at a press conference for like 5 minutes. That makes everything better.
They were testing last gen games which means the ps5 was in legacy mode (backwards compatibility). In legacy mode the ps5’s ssd is used but it’s only used to perform around 100-200mbytes per second which is not even close to the ps5’s 5.5gb/s.
@@balloonb0y677 It doesn't make any sense. It's like saying if you install your SSD on windows 7 you only get 50MB/s but on windows 10 it's 500MB/s
@@edmundmondo1682 but these are games. I don’t blame you for not understanding, even I don’t fully understand.
@@edmundmondo1682 its like u have super speed sql database and ordinary filesystem without quck streaming, so may be this little guy kinda right, we need games with different game data unpacking technology. Maybe MMorales had it, we will see after sony enable internal nvme slot.
I'll watch this when I can find a PS5 at retail price
I have a no-name (no brand) Sata to Usb 3.0 cable which was the cheapest one on ebay/Aliexpress and it works flawlessly....
Same here. 4 bucks I think it cost. Paired with Samsung Evo ssd
Great video Richard. This clearly shows the bottleneck is somewhere else and it might even be mostly related to software and how ps4 games and even the operating system itself (the OS does the "dirty job" of communicating with the hardware) were built to engage with storage.
Could you run these same tests with the PS4 Pro's internal HDD swapped out for the SATA SSD?
Yes, I wonder if you'd get similar speeds with the SSD installed internally with the PS4 Pro.
Thanks for doing the test so I don’t have to haha
One thing of note to anyone who is thinking about getting an M.2 internal SSD. Since the internal M.2 slot has now been enabled, if you install an M.2 drive, you can now also have another external storage device connected for 3 total storage devices (Internal, Internal M.2, and External). Tested with my 980 Pro M.2 and a Samsung 870 QVO. I mention this because PS5 does not allow for 2 external storage devices to be connected at the same time. I highly recommend getting an M.2 for just this reason with the added bonus or making transfering games much easier. Cheers!
This is great news for alot of people that weren't wanting to spend mega loads on a pci express 4.0 nvme drive, they can store ps4 games on a sata ssd and save all the valuable internal storage for ps5 games that actually are capable of getting instant load times.
Cool 😎
nvme shines when loading a shit ton of sequential information, like raw 4k video. for gaming as it is now, its utterly irrelevant
Great work, again!
Thank you for doing this! very helpful!
To be honest, I rather deal with slower loading times than with the constant copying of games. I can play the PS4 games I already have by just switching my external HDD from my PS4 to my PS5. Only PS5 games that radically benefit from the internal storage are worth keeping in there. For 20 seconds longer I rather have a mechanical HDD than a way more expensive external SSD.
yh just checked the costs 92 pound too much for ssd. Perhaps in 4 years time it'll be 30 which is cool 1tb ssb.
Without currently having enough outright PS5 titles to warrant keeping PS4 titles off the internal, I've just been using it for my PS4 titles I'm actively playing. Witcher 3's loading times are just such a quality of life improvement. It may only be 20seconds at one moment, but if you're fast travelling all over the map, it adds up to many minutes of improvements, and just makes the whole thing not feel like a chore, where previously it did tbh.
@@janguvpes7518 That is a good example of the exception and a game worth playing from the internal SSD, but not worth buying an external SSD for, they are too expensive. I'll wait for the compatible NVME drives.
@@Aristowi I think it depends really. As my internal begins to fill with actual PS5 games, the argument for running PS4 games from a separate SATA SSD gets stronger. As you can see from the DF testing, you're getting the same/marginally better speeds. Can get drives for around the 80 quid mark, so it's not crazy expensive.
This should've been at launch.
This was possible at launch. They are only testing ps4 games in this video.
@@danielecastagna6644 Not true. At the launch they were saying the ps5's internal ssd has tech ahead of it's time. Turns out the Series X has a better solution even being a little slower.
Really helpful video, earned a sub!
Great test, I have all my PS4 games installed on my external Samsung SSD because I couldn't notice any difference in speed having them on the PS5 SSD.
Thank you PS for allowing gamers to add storage. You spoil us and we're so grateful.
Even though consoles have allowed that for years.
Hell, it should've been there at launch.
@@Soup-man
I think he was being sarcastic. Not positive though.
@@Soup-man I was being sarcastic.
@@m0kn33marc okay. Sorry.....
Can't believe you still are unable to just walk into a store and buy one.
Maybe next year. Then might as well wait for PS5 Pro.
I always suspected the speed was capped for back compatible games. Great to know I can put now a cheap sata usb ssd to upgrade my ps5. Thank you very much!
Why can't sony allow my ps4 games to run on my entire 16gb of ram? What will it cost Sony to do a native mode or compatibility mode for God's sake. When I bought a ps4 Pro, they literally converted it back to a base ps4. Now they've converted my ps5 back to a ps4 pro! Why on earth did i buy a ps5 then?
Thanks for this video, I will admit I would not have thought this to be the case. But after seeing this I went out and bought a USB SSD drive to move all my PS4 games to the SSD and install some games I wanted to but had not because I wanted to conserve room on my PS5. This is great news.
Sony is lying about the speed of the Ssd nvme internal.
No. It's that these games don't actually use the new I/O architecture.
I'm surprised you didn't test the usb-c ready external SSD's like the the Samsung T5 or T7
I was thinking this too but an adapter & drive might actually be a cheaper option or faster if not both but I could be wrong there.
Won't make a diff really. Back compat titles are capped at like 500MBps to ensure compatibility, that's why they're all about the same includin internal. Wish you could turn that limit off as I'm sure it wont break a lot of games. Like on PS2/PS3 back compat where you could choose faster loading or normal if there were issues.
@@Arcona There's a very high probability that's correct, but we won't know before it has been tested. I also would like to mention that if they can patch in double frame rates etc they should also be able to unlock the read speed. Looking at Emulators for the older machines, we all know that it works on many games.
I'm not that tech savvy so would like to ask: would be better for me to buy Samsung internal ssd (in the video) or Samsung T5? Price is the same (adapter included). Like, which one is technically better?
@@givemorexp connected to a PC, the internal would be faster because of the connection type. Connected to a PS5 it won't matter, but the T5 is cheaper since you won't have to buy the adapter.
Good review-thanks for this.
I already have a Samsung 870 QVO 4Tb fitted internally in my PS4 Pro, which I haven't turned on since I got my PS5. So I just need that Sabrent cable, then I'll swap my PS4 back to its OEM HDD and solve my PS5 storage dilemma! Great video as always boys, thanks!
For my ps4 pro I got an amazing deal for a 2tb sata m.2I'll be using that when I get my ps5
I suggest you wait until Sony says what ssd’s to use. Or you can just use a hard drive.
@@balloonb0y677 I have it in an external enclosure. From everything I've seen I'll be able to plug it in and use it for my ps4 games and archive ps5 games.
Would still rather use a 5 TB HDD. I dont mind the wait times.
Make it 8TB
Does your HDD transfer ps5 games??
@@GratefulDave93 yeah
@@Slayer821 mine gives me an error code CE-107552-0. It’s super frustrating.
Good to know, I can use the 1TB SATA SSD I have lying around without feeling like the load times are compromised or letting the drive go to waste. Just need to grab that Sabrent adapter for max efficiency!
It's a bit strange to use the 870 QVO for write speed tests, as it isn't indicative of most SATA SSD speeds. It uses slower QLC memory vs the TLC used in most drives.
The 2 to 8 TB drives have a 78GB cache - during this time it'll write at up to 530MB/s, after which it'll drop to 160MB/s for the rest of the copy. So in the file copy example in the video 23% of the 102GB copy happened at a max of 160MB/s, and for the first 77% it was within margin of error of the NVME.
An 870 EVO will sustain its max speed indefinitely, so would be the same as the NVME, as it's the PS5 bottlenecking speeds here.