Burrow is the epitome of hard work, perseverance and resilience. Joe's father even admitted that he never thought Joe would make it. Both of Joe's much older brothers played defense for unv of Nebraska (in 1997-2004) and neither made it to the NFL. Joe's dad played DB for the CFL & NFL and coached with the Barnstormers (when Kurt Warner was QB) and coached at Nebraska and Ohio University Burrow played both offense and defense on his high school team (Joe's dad never made his games because he was a defensive coach at Ohio university in Athens). Joe wasn't highly recruited out of high school. Joe spent 3 years (2015, 2016, 2017) as a backup QB at Ohio state and was smart enough to graduate in 3 yrs so he could go to LSU to finally get a chance to start at QB in 2018 & 2019 (back when transferring was very difficult... before NIL). Ohio state told Joe that they blocked him from playing at Michigan (not sure they actually could but sounds like urban Meyer wasn't trying to genuinely help Joe... seems very different to how Saban helped Jalen Hurts transfer... but I could be wrong) After the 2018 season as QB at LSU, Burrow put in extra work with all his receivers to build timing and chemistry (based on the 10,000 hours theory) and taught Ja'Marr how to study film (Ja'Marr just talked about how Burrow taught him how to study film in his last presser) Nobody in national media talked about any of the 3 of them in 2018 (Burrow, JJettas or Ja'Marr)... but all 3 put in the work to be elite in 2019 2019 JJettas 75 receptions (2nd) 1170 yards (2nd) 15.6 average yards per reception (1st) Ja'Marr 93 receptions (1st) 1319 yards (1st) 14.2 average yards per reception (2nd) ****************************** 2018 with Burrow JJETTAS 54 receptions (1st) 875 yards (1st) Ja'Marr 23 receptions (2nd) 313 yards (2nd)
Don't embarass yourself. Burrow is Cousins with swag. Got a good coach and some great WRs Brady was Peyton Manning on steroids. Those "elite" coaches sucked. Brady dragged them.Tom Brady was so incredibly dominant that he carried ininept owner, a losing head coach, and a corps full of small, slow receivers to a 20-year dynasty. I can't even call you a hater of Brady or fan of Burrow. You just have no idea how to evaluate QBs
Let’s not forget Burrow has not only the worst defense in the league and he’s putting up an MVP season while also having a HORRIBLE Offensive Line. He’s the best QB in the league. They have a bad record because this organization has no idea how to build a winning team. I feel so bad for Burrow.
Brady was blessed with great defenses, especially the early years. Belichik drafted smart, capable defensive players. Bengals have juco defense with juco coaching and front office resembles McDonald's management
@@punetang-vtnm that's interesting, because the Bengals D is LITERALLY why they made it to the SB...wouldn't have made it past the 2nd round Titans game
He reminds me alot of Peyton manning on those early colts teams. He will be fine. The bengals need to learn how to win, and they make some questionable moves.
Joe Burrow was unappreciated just like Tom Brady. Ohio State kept him warming the bench, Nebraska flat out rejected him. He comes to LSU 💜💛 and balls out!!!! He will forever carry that chip on his shoulder like Tom Brady 6th round pick #199. They both have that “Dog” in them 🔥🔥🔥. Put Burrow with a X and O’s coach and watch the legacy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
So urban myer kicked cam newton out of Florida and pushed Joe burrow down the depth chart at Ohio State. Newton and burrow are the best QBs Myers had and never realized it. No wonder it was a disaster in Jacksonville.
@MrDannyboyFL yah newton stole a laptop and was the scapegoat for other players getting in fights, partying and way worse. I mean fricken Arron Hernandez was in the team and was it Mayweather or something the safety that stomped on a dudes head? That Florida team gets overshadowed because of Tebow being a good Christian but that Florida team made the Miami hurricanes team of the 90s look like choir boys.
Joe Brrr is my guy. It's been frustrating as a Bengals fan the past 4-5 yrs though. If it's not an injury, it's a leaky O-line. If it's not a leaky O-line, it's a piss poor defense that's been holding him and the team back from winning a Super Bowl. But once the planets align, he's destined to win a title or 3! Who Dey!
It's always sad to see generational players waste away on bad teams. Happened with Saquon in NY. Burrow now. Poor Andre Johnson in Houston, Megatron in Detroit. It sucks.
Joe and TB play nothing alike. Joe is a play extender, trying to squeeze out chunk plays by running around. Tom was a stay-in-the-pocket guy who sorted out the defense in the first instant following the snap. As a Bengals fan, I think Joe should play more like Tom if he wants to be playing in his 40s.
If he starts getting mad and yelling at folks and demanding perfection all the time, he’ll be more like Brady. He needs to leave the laid back Joe Cool behind him and become a leader.
Mike Brown's father is Paul Brown who is basically the father of modern football. I guarantee you he loves football. The Bengals have made more free agent moves in Burrows career than they have in Dalton and Palmers years combined. This years moves didnt work out on defense ad well as their last wave of defensive moves worked. The front office is definitely active.
Mike Brown is no Paul Brown. He cares about money much more than he does winning. Katie Blackburn (his daughter) is the only reason they've been more active in recent years.
@jakenbake9878 I think Tom Brady distorted what good means. We've had really good real super bowl contending teams with Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton. They both got hurt during their best season. Superbowls are hard to win. Now we have another good Superbowl chance with Burrow. We've had really good teams. People enjoy trashing the Bengals. Even their own fans.
@@TheTruth_StraightNoChase I’ve been a bengals fan since the mid 90’s…this organization doesn’t know how to win. They were never close with Dalton and they had maybe 1 real year when Carson got hurt in the wild card round. They have had a few good QB’s but that happens when you pick 1st overall in the draft. Deep in your heart, you know I’m right. This organization doesn’t know how to compete at the highest level.
@jakenbake9878 every team has horrible stretches you can point at. It's all narrative. Ppl love the Cowboys and Giants but they are mostly bad. Mike Tomlin is credited as equal to Bill Belichek for being mostly a .500 team with 1 SB off of Bill Cowhers build.
I hate morons that *try* to compare two completely unlike people. Burrow makes Brady look like a high school rookie. Saying that Burrow is a pocket passer is confirming that you have zero knowledge of him, his style, his ability, and your lack of intelligence. You little podcast is a complete waste of time. You have so little knowledge and can not seem to figure things out on your own. You watch one or two games and you think you are an expert.
True talent. But him and Tom are actually opposite. Perfect example of the truth that hard work is much better than talent. Where as Burrows talent has always been unequivocal, Tom is always doubted.
@@evanflowforever6615 Brady got arguably the strongest arm ever after Josh Allen. Burrow got a noodle arm Brady got the best pocket IQ ever Burrow got below average pockeg IQ Brady is the best deeo thrower ever Burrow got below deep ball accuracy They are nothing alike. One had a nuckear rocket auncher for an arm even in his mid 40s. The other one relies on Chase stealing catches frkm DBs
Yes burrow I had so much raw talent that He was exiled from Ohio State. And when he arrived to LSU he was the fourth or fifth quarterback on the depth chart
Burrow is the epitome of hard work, perseverance and resilience. Joe's father even admitted that he never thought Joe would make it. Both of Joe's much older brothers played defense for unv of Nebraska (in 1997-2004) and neither made it to the NFL. Joe's dad played DB for the CFL & NFL and coached with the Barnstormers (when Kurt Warner was QB) and coached at Nebraska and Ohio University Burrow played both offense and defense on his high school team (Joe's dad never made his games because he was a defensive coach at Ohio university in Athens). Joe wasn't highly recruited out of high school. Joe spent 3 years (2015, 2016, 2017) as a backup QB at Ohio state and was smart enough to graduate in 3 yrs so he could go to LSU to finally get a chance to start at QB in 2018 & 2019 (back when transferring was very difficult... before NIL). Ohio state told Joe that they blocked him from playing at Michigan (not sure they actually could but sounds like urban Meyer wasn't trying to genuinely help Joe... seems very different to how Saban helped Jalen Hurts transfer... but I could be wrong) After the 2018 season as QB at LSU, Burrow put in extra work with all his receivers to build timing and chemistry (based on the 10,000 hours theory) and taught Ja'Marr how to study film (Ja'Marr just talked about how Burrow taught him how to study film in his last presser) Nobody in national media talked about any of the 3 of them in 2018 (Burrow, JJettas or Ja'Marr)... but all 3 put in the work to be elite in 2019 2019 JJettas 75 receptions (2nd) 1170 yards (2nd) 15.6 average yards per reception (1st) Ja'Marr 93 receptions (1st) 1319 yards (1st) 14.2 average yards per reception (2nd) ****************************** 2018 with Burrow JJETTAS 54 receptions (1st) 875 yards (1st) Ja'Marr 23 receptions (2nd) 313 yards (2nd)
@@erikpuka2627 everything you said was false lol Brady was never known to have the strongest arm.. Peyton Manning before the neck surgery had a stronger arm, Donavan McNabb had a stronger arm, Rodgers had a MUCH stronger arm but Brady was smarter than all of them.. and that is the same with Burrow.. you sound like a hateful Chiefs fan because you are 1-3 against Burrow lmao
@@TomGunna88 Brady has arguably the best arm all time. Has thrown it 63mph in a game and also 62. Allen threw it 61 at the combine for comparison. Mahomes 61 too. Also Brady threw it 74byds in an actual game. All while aiming. Burrows arm comes nowhere close
U do know these two where toms teammates, they would know better than anyone else about work ethic. brady is the goat but he isnt the god of football and there are qbs close to him
Some people can play but can't evaluate other players to save their life. Brady was Peyton on steroids. The best ever by a margin. Burrow is a cool , better looking Kirk Cousins with swag. More mobile but a much worse deep ball. Worse IQ in the pocket too. Talking abkut pre injury Kirk. Tom Brady was so incredibly dominant that he carried an ininept owner, a losing head coach, and a corps full of small, slow receivers that would get cut on 95+% of other teams to a 20-year dynasty.
@ when a qb like Peyton manning says Joey B is one of his favorite qbs to watch because of how good he is then I’m going to take his word over yours 100/100 times.
Burrow is the epitome of hard work, perseverance and resilience. Joe's father even admitted that he never thought Joe would make it. Both of Joe's much older brothers played defense for unv of Nebraska (in 1997-2004) and neither made it to the NFL. Joe's dad played DB for the CFL & NFL and coached with the Barnstormers (when Kurt Warner was QB) and coached at Nebraska and Ohio University
Burrow played both offense and defense on his high school team (Joe's dad never made his games because he was a defensive coach at Ohio university in Athens). Joe wasn't highly recruited out of high school. Joe spent 3 years (2015, 2016, 2017) as a backup QB at Ohio state and was smart enough to graduate in 3 yrs so he could go to LSU to finally get a chance to start at QB in 2018 & 2019 (back when transferring was very difficult... before NIL). Ohio state told Joe that they blocked him from playing at Michigan (not sure they actually could but sounds like urban Meyer wasn't trying to genuinely help Joe... seems very different to how Saban helped Jalen Hurts transfer... but I could be wrong)
After the 2018 season as QB at LSU, Burrow put in extra work with all his receivers to build timing and chemistry (based on the 10,000 hours theory) and taught Ja'Marr how to study film (Ja'Marr just talked about how Burrow taught him how to study film in his last presser)
Nobody in national media talked about any of the 3 of them in 2018 (Burrow, JJettas or Ja'Marr)... but all 3 put in the work to be elite in 2019
2019
JJettas
75 receptions (2nd)
1170 yards (2nd)
15.6 average yards per reception (1st)
Ja'Marr
93 receptions (1st)
1319 yards (1st)
14.2 average yards per reception (2nd)
******************************
2018 with Burrow
JJETTAS
54 receptions (1st)
875 yards (1st)
Ja'Marr
23 receptions (2nd)
313 yards (2nd)
Joe burrow is the example of what Tom’s career would’ve looked like on a terrible franchise vs one that hired elite coaches
Yep.
You don't win 6 superbowls unless both your QB and coach are good. It's just not possible.
Don't embarass yourself.
Burrow is Cousins with swag. Got a good coach and some great WRs
Brady was Peyton Manning on steroids.
Those "elite" coaches sucked. Brady dragged them.Tom Brady was so incredibly dominant that he carried ininept owner, a losing head coach, and a corps full of small, slow receivers to a 20-year dynasty.
I can't even call you a hater of Brady or fan of Burrow. You just have no idea how to evaluate QBs
@@BlueBarrier782Pats did win without a good coach. It took having god at QB though.
Defense is awful. Lost key players from last year’s team. His salary is too high to bring in top flight players. RESTRUCTURE his contract.
@@erikpuka2627 Do you spit or swallow? 😂
Let’s not forget Burrow has not only the worst defense in the league and he’s putting up an MVP season while also having a HORRIBLE Offensive Line. He’s the best QB in the league. They have a bad record because this organization has no idea how to build a winning team. I feel so bad for Burrow.
The bengals o line has been pretty solid this season pass blocking wise
He is.. that’s right😂 to all the Lamar and prince patrick fanboys😂
Lamar has basically the same stats with less interceptions and worse WRs... also I'd take Josh Allen over Burrow any day
You could say this about half the teams in the nfl tho….
@@kitsune_kasaiLamar has a run game. Josh is just a freak of nature. That dude is the best this season for sure.
Damn as a Bengals fan I wish you joined us in 21’ Gronk
His dad is a defensive coach which i think is a huge reason why joe knows how to read defenses the way he does.
Brady was blessed with great defenses, especially the early years. Belichik drafted smart, capable defensive players. Bengals have juco defense with juco coaching and front office resembles McDonald's management
@@punetang-vtnm that's interesting, because the Bengals D is LITERALLY why they made it to the SB...wouldn't have made it past the 2nd round Titans game
@andybales7318 it's also why they lost the Superbowl
@andybales7318 what an idiot, that defense is literally why they lost the superbowl
Doing as well as Brady with no D or O line . Lead league in being sacked year he took bengals to Super Bowl
@@punetang-vtnmthe highest scoring rams put up 23. Be serious . JaMarr chase open last play but Joe got blasted . O line def lost that Super Bowl
Enjoyed this discussion. I'm really sad too about the Bengals' team present state of affairs.
He reminds me alot of Peyton manning on those early colts teams. He will be fine. The bengals need to learn how to win, and they make some questionable moves.
What a fun podcast! Keep it up!
Dudes on dudes is craaaaazy name. Yall need a "pause" section every episode or something
Joe Burrow was unappreciated just like Tom Brady. Ohio State kept him warming the bench, Nebraska flat out rejected him. He comes to LSU 💜💛 and balls out!!!! He will forever carry that chip on his shoulder like Tom Brady 6th round pick #199. They both have that “Dog” in them 🔥🔥🔥. Put Burrow with a X and O’s coach and watch the legacy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Where is the “welcome to the Nuthouse” hat from ?? Can’t find it online
Jule's reaction to the misstated weight of Joe B (250) was the same as mine, "Holy Fuck". Lmao.
burrow just continued his run of 6 straight games with 250+ passing yards and 3 TDs the last time a qb did that was Tom Brady
When u throw 50x a game, there's a decent chance of that
@@andybales7318Buddy goes down the whole comment list to hate on Burrow, get a life.
@@andybales7318 he throws that much and he's still the most accurate in the league lmao
@andybales7318 Thats definitely not how this works...
@@andybales7318lol he doesn’t throw 50 times a game lmao. Check his stats dude.
Burrow is the best qb in the league.
He also took his team to the Super Bowl 🤦
So urban myer kicked cam newton out of Florida and pushed Joe burrow down the depth chart at Ohio State. Newton and burrow are the best QBs Myers had and never realized it. No wonder it was a disaster in Jacksonville.
Newton stole a laptop at Florida and Tebow was the best QB ever in college football history.
God Bless
@MrDannyboyFL yah newton stole a laptop and was the scapegoat for other players getting in fights, partying and way worse. I mean fricken Arron Hernandez was in the team and was it Mayweather or something the safety that stomped on a dudes head? That Florida team gets overshadowed because of Tebow being a good Christian but that Florida team made the Miami hurricanes team of the 90s look like choir boys.
@@chadbinette3201 hahaha I don’t know about all that I’d have a conversation with you about over a beer 🍻 cheers
Lol. He won 3 championships in college genius.
@isaaclaforce2011 no shit dip clearly could have been more
Great Job reading Gronk
He's the current version of Dan Marino. Super Bowl in year 2 AFC championship game in year 3......then the team fell apart.....eerily similar
Burrow and Chase are having huge seasons this year.
Hes just not blessed with a good defense
Nah
He is just nowhere near Brady
@@erikpuka2627at the same point in Brady's career, Burrow isn't far off at all.
@@HH-le1viBrady didn't have a J Chase & Tee Higgins to throw too, either
@@andybales7318 no. But he didn't need one. Brady's New England offense was death by a thousand cuts and a good running game.
Joe Brrr is my guy. It's been frustrating as a Bengals fan the past 4-5 yrs though. If it's not an injury, it's a leaky O-line. If it's not a leaky O-line, it's a piss poor defense that's been holding him and the team back from winning a Super Bowl. But once the planets align, he's destined to win a title or 3! Who Dey!
It's always sad to see generational players waste away on bad teams. Happened with Saquon in NY. Burrow now. Poor Andre Johnson in Houston, Megatron in Detroit. It sucks.
Joe and TB play nothing alike. Joe is a play extender, trying to squeeze out chunk plays by running around. Tom was a stay-in-the-pocket guy who sorted out the defense in the first instant following the snap. As a Bengals fan, I think Joe should play more like Tom if he wants to be playing in his 40s.
If he starts getting mad and yelling at folks and demanding perfection all the time, he’ll be more like Brady. He needs to leave the laid back Joe Cool behind him and become a leader.
Dudes on who???
That AI told you he’s been to the playoffs 3 times…. he’s had 4 seasons and two of which he had season ending injuries. The math ain’t mathing
Joe Burrow and Tom Brady being compared is wild🤣 joe aint in toms zipcode
And soup is gravy without food in it.
Either the AI was wrong or Gronk can’t read (50/50 on that one) but Burrow has only had 2 playoff runs not 3 unfortunately.
He is gonna be hurt , I hope he asks to be traded because he is gonna get messed up.
Stop throwing 50x a game
If joe wasn’t bringing paid so much h to be a QB I think he would prefer to be a DB., like his brothers.
Mike Brown's father is Paul Brown who is basically the father of modern football. I guarantee you he loves football. The Bengals have made more free agent moves in Burrows career than they have in Dalton and Palmers years combined. This years moves didnt work out on defense ad well as their last wave of defensive moves worked. The front office is definitely active.
Mike Brown is no Paul Brown. He cares about money much more than he does winning. Katie Blackburn (his daughter) is the only reason they've been more active in recent years.
Paul Brown built the team. Mike inherited it. Huge difference.
@jakenbake9878 I think Tom Brady distorted what good means. We've had really good real super bowl contending teams with Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton. They both got hurt during their best season. Superbowls are hard to win. Now we have another good Superbowl chance with Burrow. We've had really good teams. People enjoy trashing the Bengals. Even their own fans.
@@TheTruth_StraightNoChase I’ve been a bengals fan since the mid 90’s…this organization doesn’t know how to win. They were never close with Dalton and they had maybe 1 real year when Carson got hurt in the wild card round. They have had a few good QB’s but that happens when you pick 1st overall in the draft.
Deep in your heart, you know I’m right. This organization doesn’t know how to compete at the highest level.
@jakenbake9878 every team has horrible stretches you can point at. It's all narrative. Ppl love the Cowboys and Giants but they are mostly bad. Mike Tomlin is credited as equal to Bill Belichek for being mostly a .500 team with 1 SB off of Bill Cowhers build.
Burrow’s season is over in week 15
Didn’t he get drafted in 2019?
He played for LSU in 2019, but the draft was in 2020
I hate morons that *try* to compare two completely unlike people. Burrow makes Brady look like a high school rookie. Saying that Burrow is a pocket passer is confirming that you have zero knowledge of him, his style, his ability, and your lack of intelligence. You little podcast is a complete waste of time. You have so little knowledge and can not seem to figure things out on your own. You watch one or two games and you think you are an expert.
True talent. But him and Tom are actually opposite. Perfect example of the truth that hard work is much better than talent. Where as Burrows talent has always been unequivocal, Tom is always doubted.
@@evanflowforever6615 Brady got arguably the strongest arm ever after Josh Allen.
Burrow got a noodle arm
Brady got the best pocket IQ ever
Burrow got below average pockeg IQ
Brady is the best deeo thrower ever
Burrow got below deep ball accuracy
They are nothing alike. One had a nuckear rocket auncher for an arm even in his mid 40s. The other one relies on Chase stealing catches frkm DBs
Yes burrow I had so much raw talent that He was exiled from Ohio State. And when he arrived to LSU he was the fourth or fifth quarterback on the depth chart
Burrow is the epitome of hard work, perseverance and resilience. Joe's father even admitted that he never thought Joe would make it. Both of Joe's much older brothers played defense for unv of Nebraska (in 1997-2004) and neither made it to the NFL. Joe's dad played DB for the CFL & NFL and coached with the Barnstormers (when Kurt Warner was QB) and coached at Nebraska and Ohio University
Burrow played both offense and defense on his high school team (Joe's dad never made his games because he was a defensive coach at Ohio university in Athens). Joe wasn't highly recruited out of high school. Joe spent 3 years (2015, 2016, 2017) as a backup QB at Ohio state and was smart enough to graduate in 3 yrs so he could go to LSU to finally get a chance to start at QB in 2018 & 2019 (back when transferring was very difficult... before NIL). Ohio state told Joe that they blocked him from playing at Michigan (not sure they actually could but sounds like urban Meyer wasn't trying to genuinely help Joe... seems very different to how Saban helped Jalen Hurts transfer... but I could be wrong)
After the 2018 season as QB at LSU, Burrow put in extra work with all his receivers to build timing and chemistry (based on the 10,000 hours theory) and taught Ja'Marr how to study film (Ja'Marr just talked about how Burrow taught him how to study film in his last presser)
Nobody in national media talked about any of the 3 of them in 2018 (Burrow, JJettas or Ja'Marr)... but all 3 put in the work to be elite in 2019
2019
JJettas
75 receptions (2nd)
1170 yards (2nd)
15.6 average yards per reception (1st)
Ja'Marr
93 receptions (1st)
1319 yards (1st)
14.2 average yards per reception (2nd)
******************************
2018 with Burrow
JJETTAS
54 receptions (1st)
875 yards (1st)
Ja'Marr
23 receptions (2nd)
313 yards (2nd)
@@erikpuka2627 everything you said was false lol Brady was never known to have the strongest arm.. Peyton Manning before the neck surgery had a stronger arm, Donavan McNabb had a stronger arm, Rodgers had a MUCH stronger arm but Brady was smarter than all of them.. and that is the same with Burrow.. you sound like a hateful Chiefs fan because you are 1-3 against Burrow lmao
@@TomGunna88 Brady has arguably the best arm all time. Has thrown it 63mph in a game and also 62. Allen threw it 61 at the combine for comparison. Mahomes 61 too. Also Brady threw it 74byds in an actual game. All while aiming.
Burrows arm comes nowhere close
Too bad he’s on a horrible team. The Barry Sanders of QBs.
Y’all been living in a cave?
Ummm…minus the 7 SB rings sure. 🙄
Stupid take lol there’s isn’t a single person in the nfl that’s even close to Brady, his work ethic can’t be outmatched
U do know these two where toms teammates, they would know better than anyone else about work ethic. brady is the goat but he isnt the god of football and there are qbs close to him
Stupid take you don't know Tom like they do... casual
Burrow one a heisman and natty in one season . He is the definition of work ethic . Tore his leg up rookie season lol too
Only he doesnt win games
Retarded take. He cant do the defenses job for them. What more should he be doing?
Ret@rded take. He cant do the defenses job for them. What more do you expect him to do?
seriously Burrow is doing his job perfectly he's first in yards and touchdowns this season hands down best qb in the league right now in my opinion
The defense is losing the games.
@@jeffjenkins7976Burrow lost the Pitt game & would have lost the game yesterday if they weren't playing the Titans
Some people can play but can't evaluate other players to save their life.
Brady was Peyton on steroids. The best ever by a margin.
Burrow is a cool , better looking Kirk Cousins with swag. More mobile but a much worse deep ball. Worse IQ in the pocket too. Talking abkut pre injury Kirk.
Tom Brady was so incredibly dominant that he carried an ininept owner, a losing head coach, and a corps full of small, slow receivers that would get cut on 95+% of other teams to a 20-year dynasty.
These are some terrible takes
@@SawBlade11He is right
@ damn you too with the terrible take
@ when a qb like Peyton manning says Joey B is one of his favorite qbs to watch because of how good he is then I’m going to take his word over yours 100/100 times.
That's a lot of dumb for one post