For image generation at least, AI being trained on it's own output, when properly curated, is actually viable. You just have to be careful or you will wind up with a Hapsberg and a half.
The best part is when people who make AI stuff refuse to label it as such, which makes it harder to filter out for future training, inadvertently making the tools they use worse in the long run.
Wait till the fact that the products they generate with will be so average that it will cost them lots of money not just in loss of revenue, but in terms of loss of repute, and refunds. Once they realize AI is the culprit AI funding will cease
I haven't even seen much of a killer use case for AI yet, voice cloning and quick art mockups seem to be the best use cases, or even writing speeches (because ChatGPT is charismatic AF). I'm shocked the AI bubble hasn't burst yet, everyone is salivating over a product that doesn't have a killer app/use case. It will not be the silver bullet people think it is, at least it'll be more useful than Crypto, NFTs, Blockchain or whatever useless thing tech bros come up with.
everybody wants their own ai these days and i swear if zuck replaced 2 employees with ai the whole company would come crashing down but zuck wouldnt notice hes too busy basking and eating crickets
They've been saying that "we're going to be replaced" in so many professions. In my field, we've had a staff shortage for over 50 years, so they've genuinely tried to replace us in repetitive tasks. Even now, despite working in the lab alongside $500K+ worth of medical instruments with the smoothest automation and the newest AI... competent humans are still the most valuable asset there. Machines break and, Thor is right, AI needs a babysitter. Edit: Not getting into politics, folks. Or those ever so closely related economics debates. Regarding AI in my field, we're thankful for the help with the workload, but acutely aware of its limitations too.
For now. When neuralink goes full swing you will see brain mapping AI go crazy and we will hit the singularity VERY fast. We're talking 2 to 3 years from now. There is a global war effort in producing the best AI purely for combat purposes, and it will not stop. This is the reality most people are blind to
I am for one would be THRILLED to be replaced by a really goddamn competent AI, because I LOVE my job. I mean the fact that i am currently using ai to speed up certain tedious parts of development just feels absolutely amazing. I don't really have to think hard about good names for my variables as much, i don't have to create tediously big structs, or think about arbitrary easy problems, i don't have to google as much(since ai can help A LOT with actually finding what you NEED to google) is just amazing. However i want something even better, something that can actually drive me out of the job, sonthat we have more features ,better code and all of that faster than ever! So that all the passion projects and ambitious software gets actually done, so that the tedious implementations of verbose standarts get generated just like that, so that the reverse engineering of binaries gets done the moment someone gets their hand on them, so that we have support and revitalisation of the hardware that was described anywhere wherever and however and so on and so on!
It seems that “spending 10 minutes verbosely explaining the code you want to ChatGPT and then realizing it would be faster to just write the code” is a universal experience
Honestly, though, that can be useful in itself. The amount of times I've been stuck on a problem and found the solution by trying to explain the problem to a colleague is staggering. And if I'm the only person in the office or the other devs are unavailable I find AI can fit the same purpose. I think that's evident from the number of times I've been confused by an answer it's given me and then asked it "would it not just be more sensible to do it X way?" The issue with blindly following ChatGPT is that it will always attempt to solve exactly the problem you're giving it rather than offering a frame challenge when what you're asking it to do is simply not an ideal way of going about it.
Definitely. I've had some luck with "please simplify this calculation" where it turns a whole block of python into a single line of logic and notates the purpose, which improves readability, but even then the functionality... may or may not be the same.
This. So much this. And worst part is when you reach the point where actually fixing your code is secondary to your satisfaction than explaining to ChatGPT what you want from it.
Like, I've been trying Github Copilot, and even then I basically ignore the whole chat section and just use it as a glorified autocomplete, name generator and translator. Granted, it is a very nice autocomplete, since I can do one piece of code, have that tab open, and copilot will let me quickly write the other parts based on the code in the open tab(s), but it really isn't taking my job anytime soon. Also very useful for doing locale files until someone who actually speaks that language gets a change to look at it.
It IS great, because that means scientists, mathematicians, programmers - instead of being replaced, they are needed to advance the technology. Just like computers didn't replace mathematicians, instead they created a bunch of new job types, programmers being just one that is needed for a bunch of different company jobs.
@@missquprison Doesnt matter how good your program is - If your data is bad, your output it going to be bad, because you gave it bad data to begin with.
@@solarwolf1336 average code is bad...you want your code tailored to what you want to achieve...there are 1000 ways to solve a problem...ai takes the average take on this problem which is riddled with problems and most of the time it it doesn't even consider edge cases
@@2-BIT_OfficialGameDEVwhat are you talking about and why does everyone blindly call everyone on the internet a bot I dont think you realize how unlikely it is that someone would bot normal comments on a different creators post
I've seen "developers" brag about how they never need to write code anymore and just use ChatGPT, and I'm like... my guy, it doesn't sound like you were doing anything impressive or interesting in the first place.
Getting chatgpt to give me a basic excel formula that works the first time is a struggle, how are people getting well written python code out of chatgpt at all?
Saying that you never need to write code is a bit of an overstatement, but to be fair the hardest part of programming is not writing code. Once you know what you want to build, how to split it into modules etc you have done the hardest part. Writing the code is then only a formality
As you are learning, I would encourage you to learn how to use AI too. Its a tool and (hopefully) you can use that tool to increase the outcome speed of your code. You STILL need to learn how to code though, as to check what is wrong with the code if there are any errors. But can help you with mudane tasks
I’m working as a software dev, most of the work is done with other people: meetings, analysing, documenting, looking for better solutions. Coding is just very small part of my time
I'll tell you an even more assuring thing as a software developer. If the people knew how to specify something properly to get what they wanted they would already be a programmer, and even programmers aren't perfect at making upfront specifications. Nothing will save you from the burden of having to clarify your ideas or suffering the side effects of what you wished for not being what you wanted.
AI is just a tool and can be even used as a programmer to get ideas on how to do something, also as in the video any ai code i have seen is just not good
@@icarue993 This, I am not that good at programming but I'm not doing it for a living, I use ai to just have fun and make it easier/faster to program whatever I need.
Completely different thing. There's no good code or bad code that self-driving AI trains on, training data is real world experience and it remains constant.
@@Faherd He talks about the training data for like the entire short. It's a tiny bit of it won't take over then explains why and literally all of it is training data. If you feed it good or bad data it will learn from that.
The thing is, when self-driving makes a mistake, you do not feed that mistake back into the training data. You curate the data to instruct it to avoid that mistake in the future. That's not what's happening with generative AI.
The only problem is that companies don’t care if it’s a mess. They’ll fire people in anticipation of it not being mess regardless of whether or not it ever actually improves. Careers and industries crumble as shareholders cut and run like always.
@ConnorJaneu It also means tens of thousands of jobs that pay exactly the same will pop into existence and tens of thousands of careers and livelihoods will get started.
@@btf_flotsam478 Sure, I just think there's a better way to go about this where no one has to lose their jobs! Animators were overworked and studios understaffed before COVID, and the studio solution was NOT to hire new animators and start new careers, but instead to screw everyone over.
That’s just your opinion and prediction, not the indisputable fact of what will 100% happen. Yet you’re narrow-minded and narcissistic enough to think it is 100% what will happen. 🤦♂️ I think what’s actually going on is you do fear AI, that you’re basically a luddite who feels entitled to status quo and everything staying the same forever, a child-like naive attitude of life that in fact is ever-changing, and where one must always be ready to adapt. That is reality. I’m aware of endless AI-hater luddites who whine about AI, when their time would more usefully be spent understanding that AI is a tool, it is here to stay and will never leave, it is getting better and cheaper over time, and so to learn to use it as a tool to do your job better. AI won’t replace humans, humans who ‘git gud’ at using AI will replace humans who insist on being luddites about AI.
In my experience it's useful at finding flaws in human written code, but any code you ask it to generate is passably written, but often won't compile or run properly. Like if you've made a spelling mistake on one line of hundreds/thousands, it will find it immediately and solve you're problem, but ask it to rewrite your code and it'll butcher it beyond belief. I think the big thing with the whole "AI revolution" is that the people who will excel are not people who use AI to do their job for them, it's people who use AI as a tool to aid them that will excel. Knowing the limitations of AI and how to use it effectively are essential. There's a lot of people who think they can just let it loose and have it do the entire task for them, instead of segmenting the workload and finding what it can help you do.
This is it, at least right now. The thing about AI is people either forget or don't know that research is a process. Gen AI happens to be an ongoing research that's needed to be thrown into the wider world to advance. As one doctor always says: "Do not look at where we are, look where we will be in the future."
@@Spawner5221 I agree, if somethings not working which I’ve been trying to learn off a video. I’ll put it in and it will be like you’re missing this. It’s usually something stupid! Like you are missing the quote marks or you have used a capital letter.
I treat ChatGPT like a boiled down collective of human knowledge. As an idea it's flawed, but like any other person is flawed. Sometimes I'll have an idea or question i just don't feel is necessary to ask someone or to go googling to research a proper answer. Chatgpt does handle the surface level really well, and if i want to go deeper I'll just go look for it after. It's like a more extensive note-taking with instant feedback.
I'm not a coder, but I work in the film industry which uses AI a lot nowadays, especially in the editing area. It's such a useful tool, but I wouldn't let it edit an entire video for me.
I actually had a good experience with AI code recently. I didn’t know where to start with something so I asked an AI how to do it. What it gave me didn’t work at all, but I could see the ideas it was drawing from and could start from there, getting get part working one at a time. Definitely not replacing me, but I’m glad I had it as a tool.
AI really is a great tool, I've used it as a quick teacher a good number of times, and it has yet to let me down. If companies would focus on that rather than just trying to erase the end-user, then there wouldn't be so much backlash.
I've basically stopped writing large blocks of code manually since Claude 3, now with 3.5, even better. Often I get good one shot results, and when I don't, I can usually guide it to correct itself quicker than I'd fix it myself. Lacks autonomy to replace programmers, but it's definitely a huge force multiplier - like any good tool.
For people that are just learning it as a hobby, or for kicks, it's actually been very useful and has me engaged in a field that I never thought I'd be into. It's given me a bit more of a perspective on actual programmers, whom I work beside, so it's still very useful.
I disagree. It's purpose is to do wild and cool things with that data. It just doesn't do that very well, at least yet. But it's REALLY good at doing exactly what you said. Until AI understands how important the words "No" and "Not" are, it's going to hit a very low ceiling.
@@GhandacityI’m curious to know why you think a better understanding of “no” and “not” is the thing holding it back. Since I don’t have anything better to do with my time atm I spend time with Roleplaying AI’s and while they aren’t perfect the main issue I run into is the AI running out of memory, and I feel that most bots are good at understanding what you mean when you say no. Though from my time using Chat GPT I do see how understanding those words better might improve responses
It's the ultimate example of 'Rubber Ducking', where the act of needing to explain what you want in such detail, actually helps you solve the problem yourself.
i think AI has reached a plateau. normally with things like this, you see logarithmic growth, and we just made it past the huge boost, and now it's evening out. edit: ppl saying "trust me bro it's been growing this fast so it will never slow down it'll only grow faster!!!!" are a prime example as to why extrapolated data is not always accurate. my prediction is that the next breakthrough in AI will come with/after quantum computing being accessible
Sure it's improving slightly, but not by order of magnitude like AGI would do And these improvements are pointless if censorship dumbs down the usual suspects anyway
You're very naive or very drunk-- The companies at the helm of these LLM's aren't training on tainted datasets the way Thor is implying. Why would they? No economic gain in it
I've found AI useful in the sense that it's like pair programming with a junior dev (and sometimes an intern). But it's only useful if you have tools to quickly refactor the mess it spits out and you know enough to know when it's going to give you crap and when the code is simple enough it's actually saving you time.
@@blazesalamancer8767 It could exist, if they take that information from websites with a rating system (like reddit) and use the highest rated solution/answer. Problem is, people could just manipulate the ratings and screw up the right answer
All I'm gonna say is that less than 5 years ago hardly anyone thought AI would be good enough to produce art and media as well as artists. Yet here we are.
Vocal remover ai is literally the only thing from the recent AI wave that I like, I can take almost any song and separate the vocals from the drums from the melody. It’s mwah 💋 beautiful
@@TheGravyMonsterUh, yes… It is AI. It’s not new, but my goodness, it is AI. I stg generative AI has made people forget just how much of a computer is AI. Artificial Intelligence has existed for decades
You shouldn't depend on it, but corporate will. A large portion of the current active and training developers will be out of jobs regardless of how efficient the code generation is. It just has to be serviceable. That's what has already happened to artists and musicians. People have already been forced to quit their careers to go into jobs that they didn't want to be in, like truck driving. I'm not saying that trades are bad. It's that people will be forced to abandon things that they've been training for for years.
Fr jhonlime we don’t got a say in “ai will be a tool” stuff you know corporations have the upper say in society and if they wanna replace us they will when the time comes
I think this is a far more realistic and mature description compared to Thor's. I've used AI to solve problems in my code that I just couldn't fix. And I would say 30-40% of the time it not only helped, but the method it used taught me something new and inspired new ideas.
It's made prototyping easier. So now instead of having to remember or have several files of tutorials available, it's able to integrate it into a natural language processing search unit.
the problem is not the tool, it's the idiots that believe the power saw can replace the carpenters, while hurting about everyone by fucking off with that power saw and finding out by themselves. However the tool does have problem like the energy consumption.
Similarly, phone cameras have not turned everyone into a photographer; Digital art hasn't invalidated traditional art; CGI still can't replace practical effects.
thats the problem, what they call ai has nothing to do with actual sentient ai, it was a mistake to name it that in the first place, instead if saying intelligent, or smart algorithm
Sorta. AI Art usually produces some crazy stuff that still needs a human in the loop to curate it. Even then, a certain piece of art has a tendency to have an "air" of AI. Like, people can tell it is likely AI generated. AI Art also has a huge issue with being consistent. If you tell it to draw a character from a different angle with a different pose, the end result can end up looking quite different from a consistency standpoint. AI Art productions will likely be compelled to carry a warning (e.g. "AI-generated Art was used"). There's already a few instances of companies using AI in their production and receiving backlash from their audience.
@@azkon7975indeed. one place i see AI art having in production is for the non-art folks to quickly generate concept art *for the artists to work with* I’m shit at explaining the ideas in my head to artists, if i could bang out 5-10 AI images that are *in the rough universe of what i want*. and send them over along with an explanation doc, to the artist. it would save us both a ton of time trying to even get on the same page. then proceed as usual with fully original drafts and revisions. basically something that’s possibly more accurate and quicker than going to google images to make a quick mood board.
As a creative myself (mostly writing but I do some animation and rigging and stuff) I'm not worried about A.I at all. It creates something doable/functional but it's usually the most uninspiring nonsense that can be written or made. I absolutely despise A.I writing due to how stale it reads. It has the most unchanging tone ever. It applies in it's art and other A.I generated stuff too.
@@cuteAvancer I agree but it seems quality is not important in some cases. PR or marketing department pushing out yet another social media post or ad? Most people are going to scroll by anyway. Sexual content? Well, could be not their proudest fap but as long as it works... There is already a steady supply of low-quality content which is in demand. The problem is that AI is getting better and better at replacing that. So I think creators should focus on content which draws a lot of people attention and for long time. In this case, mistakes are more often noticed, consistency is more important, etc. Examples are novels, screenplays for high quality films, drawing which could be hanged on a wall, etc.
Ai right now is just like brushes in photoshop for painters I think. Mostly just a tool to help people do things faster and easier. But if you don’t know what you’re doing, you’ll never get something as good as someone who does.
The biggest problem in programming is not that the code works, but that the code does the right thing. And that starts with correctly formulating the requirement.
I am a developer and was pretty sure that AI won't replace us but... I tried that new chat gpt 4 (the one that you can ask a few questions or pay the license) and was really impressed how good it was. The difference between v3.5 and v4 is huge, imagine in 10 years how good it will be? It will not replace us completely but I think companies won't need that many devs on the future, just a few using AI doing what a whole ass team used to do in much less time.
Companies already don't need 90% of the devs they have. The human element will always be there and some fearmongering manager will waste money because of a bunch of paranoid "what ifs"
I'm a software engineer and this is super true. AI tools can be useful but they're just tools. Robots didn't replace manual labor and AI won't replace mental labor, each just aids us in what we are able to accomplish
When you first look at Ai it’s so cool and you’re like “wow now I don’t have to work” then the more complicated the work gets it’s just easier to do it yourself then to fiddle with Ai
@@jallen286 nope i think it is like the internet, as it becomes more integrated into our world it will develop into an invaluable tool. but right now, it is exactly how Thor said.
I saw someone that said "Did calculators replace math professors? No" I think AI at most will become a great tool but you still need an actual person in order to actually put together the code
Its like you teach a class of average intelligence students, test them, and then use the answers from their tests to teach the next class, and the next class...
12000 layoffs and counting at my company. Simultaneously my day to day processes have essentially stopped working and I’m being told I should be able to work faster than ever.
there's two thing ignored with the outlook in this video 1. even as a tool, it means more productivity and businesses need less programmer for the same task 2. even if it's "average", if this "average" comes instantly and free, it's infinitely more productive and useful to a business than anything "good" also there's no signs of plateau'ing, we haven't even reached the saturation point of 7 billion parameters (llama3) let alone 1.76 trillion parameters (gpt4), yes it'll saturate eventually, but where ever that is it's 100% better than whatever we have now and it's already having a substantial impact if your coding job isn't complicated enough to require unit testing (like most AAA game devs working off an engine or front-end devs just stitching libs together), you're definitely a risk
@@DDracee it is unnecessary efficiency. We live in a post-scarcity society. All that efficiency does is allow corporate entities to increase profits while paying less workers than ever. It’s an amazing tool, but our system is set up in a way that makes it only amazing for Walmart. I agree w you, robots doing our jobs is like a star-trek utopia, but we’re far from that sort of reality.
@@agpra1568 i don't really understand your first point, necessity is completely irrelevant in a capitalistic society, it's all about outdoing your competition, so efficiency will always be chased and it's not a utopia, it's the next step to further increasing the gap between the rich and the poor, if companies can get richer by spending less on employees, they'll sure as hell do it twice over, just look at the whole tipping thing
@@DDracee I think we are arguing past each other here, my point more or less was that AI is doing nothing but make the rich richer and poor poorer, which I am gleaming is also your point.
“Now” is a contextually relevant term when discussing AI. Nobody thought AI art was worth considering two years ago, but now it’s becoming a legitimate threat to real artists and animators.
@@TastySnackies more in the sense that companies see a cheap/free way to source "art" pieces. I see it like the mcdonalds automated drive thru, a feature implemented so they don't have to hire someone, only to make everyone's experience worse including the coparate managers.
Have you seen AI art? It's crap same as AI upscaling for animation. AI struggles tremendously with the human anatomy. Anywhere where you have a joint the AI might put something that doesn't belong there.
The same problem applies to the art AIs. You need a human endlessly curating just to prevent the AI from slowly turning into garbage. The unique problem that artists face is copyrighted work being stolen into the dataset.
The way things currently are with AI, the only reason AI "art" threatens real artists is because corporations don't care if their art is a bit shoddy in a lot of areas. A badly programmed game full of bugs though? You can't just ship that and hope nobody cares because those bugs can and possibly will absolutely destroy anything good that game tries to do. Its not optional, there **needs** to be a middle man for AI programming to fix the kinks they leave behind. And for as much as AI shills want us to believe AI is getting better and better, its not. Until we can make an AI that doesn't just recognize and replicate patterns, but can actually recognize the flaws in the patterns it makes and learn to avoid making them, thats not gonna happen. It is still utterly terrifying that they're trying to replace people as is, but if the job requires actually understanding what's going on, that's beyond any current AI's field of expertise.
I agree with this sentiment, except my mom lost her job to an a.i. she trained. She used to work as a transcription it’s for a hospital, and they introduced a software that could learn from humans to essentially do their job. My mom was one of the many transcriptionists that trained this a.i. One day, when it had learned as much as it could, her bosses had all of the transcriptionists in a meeting. They essentially said that due to them now having an a.i. that can do their job, they wouldn’t need any human input because the machine was more efficient, and my mom, a transcriptionist of 13 years, was fired. So while a.i. might not take over certain industries fully, it can still take jobs and ruin lives. She found another job at a health-care center, so we’re good now, but it was a rough time. She taught an a.i. how to do her job, and as thanks it replaced her.
Remember, the robots that couldn't hold a glass without shattering it were also the worst they would ever be. It's not like they improved to relevancy over the past 10 years.
AI is like a good brainstorming session - 99% crap, but one decent idea that needs weeks of work to define it, refine it, edit it, test it, fix it, test again, edit once more, then ask for outside input/feedback.... months later, it's ready to implement
AI in coding is not there to replace the human element at leanot yet. It just helps reduce the time to code for a human developer by doing the mundane part, and the human just uses mindfully.
Back in the day, we made mix tapes. These were music playlists that were recorded from a Compact Disk onto a Cassette. Something we all understood is if you copy a copy, there were diminishing returns and the quality would get worse with each iteration. Over Training AI is this, a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. Don't be surprised if it gets worse over time.
Remember when AI couldn't make a tree 5 years ago? Now it does video, music, deep fakes, the works. I don't think he understands how exponential AI is.
I’m a Data Science major in my senior year (returning to college as an adult). I have maintained a 4.0 since. I learned more from a few weeks on Coursera than the major. We are still working on Multiple Linear regression and half of the major is geared towards ethics.
@@slynthehedgehog8061 You want poetic?😂 Autocoprophagic, the loop begins, AI on AI, as it spins. From data birthed in silicon's core, Feasting on what's come before. -ChatGPT
That's the big issue not just with A.I. but with most technology that makes things much more efficient: it's not that EVERYONE in the field will be out of work, it's that MOST people in the field will be. As technology and efficiency increases there are fewer and fewer jobs for the same or an increasing population: it seems to me that if human civilization doesn't collapse due to war or disease, it will reach a point where there are simply fewer jobs than people. And at that point we'll probably either have to implement a Basic Universal Income or the jobless majority will destroy civilization in a rebellion where they will have the strength in numbers.
I do think Thor misses the mark on this topic. The whole point of commission artists and just artists in general being out of work is about less demand from companies that hire them. Of course the whole field won't be kicked out of existence. It's that the damage would be too big to ignore in the future.
@@johnlime1469 Yes, yes. I have seen people say that AI art lacks the refinement and care that only a human can bring, and even if we take that as true and don't go into arguing that point, I think many, maybe even most, people underestimate the amount of people who do not care. A lot of people just want cheap entertainment and don't particularly care that it is good. I suspect that this is the reason why most of the AI art I saw at first was p**n: in my experience p**n-buyers are far from the most discerning and quality-concerned customers, and so it was easy for AI art to sell to them because their standards were usually low enough in the first place. It may make me sound elitist, but in my personal experience a disquieting amount of people do not care about or for good art: their desires for and their understanding of art is very base, and that is the way they like it.
@@TalkingWeirdStuff24Job sectors change it always has which I find odd that people now seem more vocal about it. Tech comes takes over a job but creates another tech then increases takes over that job but creates another. It’s about how we evolve as nations.
Its shocking how most people will come up with the most deletions to justify AI not taking over. With all due respect but the moment ai garbage code can be just over the avarage human coder it is over because it will be able to train it self more effectively than a human can, plus you can train an LLM to be the critical person in charge of progress, the better this LLM the faster you train the AI and so on. People fail to see the x^2 curve effect and just look at the present moment.
We see all the buzzwords you're using. We also see that extrapolations of that scale are roughly as accurate as any of the other BS that got people investing into cold fusion, crypto, NFTs, and block chain.
@@btf_flotsam478 well i never said invest in i i dont know what you are talking about. What i want to say in plain English is people are driven to believe what they want to believe. Most people overestimate what a technology can do in 1 year and he heavily u underestimate what it can do in 10 years. If ai didn't take your job now it will later. But most choose to be ignoring and keep fighting in comment section like you , meanwhile multibillion dollar organization are doing the above and beyond to replace you and take your job. If you just look objectively you would see everything but most are bised
@@mohabfata6531 People have very heavily overestimated what similar technologies like quantum computing would do (it went from 15=3×5 to 21=3×7 in about 15 years or so).
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It's like making clones of clones, except the first clone was already hunchbacked and had extra toes.
It's basically code-inc*st.
Habscode.
@@RKNGL that's when your project just has one really long header, right?
@@BenjaminGlatt It’s when your code’s family tree is a straight line.
Garbage in, garbage out.
AI has a niche use and will dominate in those niche's when properly trained.
Other areas.... It needs a lot of work.
AI being trained on AI-generated data is what I like to call AI Inbreeding
And I find it extremely funny
Each new generation is more and more flawed, LoL
I like to call it cannibalism
For image generation at least, AI being trained on it's own output, when properly curated, is actually viable. You just have to be careful or you will wind up with a Hapsberg and a half.
i love it so much lol
The best part is when people who make AI stuff refuse to label it as such, which makes it harder to filter out for future training, inadvertently making the tools they use worse in the long run.
Problem is, it doesn't convince techbro billionaire executives from treating AI like it's a magical money printer
Wait till the fact that the products they generate with will be so average that it will cost them lots of money not just in loss of revenue, but in terms of loss of repute, and refunds. Once they realize AI is the culprit AI funding will cease
I haven't even seen much of a killer use case for AI yet, voice cloning and quick art mockups seem to be the best use cases, or even writing speeches (because ChatGPT is charismatic AF).
I'm shocked the AI bubble hasn't burst yet, everyone is salivating over a product that doesn't have a killer app/use case. It will not be the silver bullet people think it is, at least it'll be more useful than Crypto, NFTs, Blockchain or whatever useless thing tech bros come up with.
everybody wants their own ai these days and i swear if zuck replaced 2 employees with ai the whole company would come crashing down but zuck wouldnt notice hes too busy basking and eating crickets
@@UltimateGattaiCheck out Tesla FSD newest version. But I have to add you seem very biased and not open to discussion fyi
@@snelle_tomosWhat discussion are you hoping you have?
So we've gotten to the point where AI is starting its Habsburg era
They've been saying that "we're going to be replaced" in so many professions. In my field, we've had a staff shortage for over 50 years, so they've genuinely tried to replace us in repetitive tasks. Even now, despite working in the lab alongside $500K+ worth of medical instruments with the smoothest automation and the newest AI... competent humans are still the most valuable asset there. Machines break and, Thor is right, AI needs a babysitter.
Edit: Not getting into politics, folks. Or those ever so closely related economics debates. Regarding AI in my field, we're thankful for the help with the workload, but acutely aware of its limitations too.
For now. When neuralink goes full swing you will see brain mapping AI go crazy and we will hit the singularity VERY fast. We're talking 2 to 3 years from now. There is a global war effort in producing the best AI purely for combat purposes, and it will not stop. This is the reality most people are blind to
Honestly it's crazy how so many rich people they can replace that??? With AI! They proply don't even know what that's means!
The camera couldn't replace painters. It was never gonna, but I bet there were some who feared it would.
I am for one would be THRILLED to be replaced by a really goddamn competent AI, because I LOVE my job. I mean the fact that i am currently using ai to speed up certain tedious parts of development just feels absolutely amazing. I don't really have to think hard about good names for my variables as much, i don't have to create tediously big structs, or think about arbitrary easy problems, i don't have to google as much(since ai can help A LOT with actually finding what you NEED to google) is just amazing.
However i want something even better, something that can actually drive me out of the job, sonthat we have more features ,better code and all of that faster than ever! So that all the passion projects and ambitious software gets actually done, so that the tedious implementations of verbose standarts get generated just like that, so that the reverse engineering of binaries gets done the moment someone gets their hand on them, so that we have support and revitalisation of the hardware that was described anywhere wherever and however and so on and so on!
@@Shonicheck post scaricity
It seems that “spending 10 minutes verbosely explaining the code you want to ChatGPT and then realizing it would be faster to just write the code” is a universal experience
Honestly, though, that can be useful in itself. The amount of times I've been stuck on a problem and found the solution by trying to explain the problem to a colleague is staggering. And if I'm the only person in the office or the other devs are unavailable I find AI can fit the same purpose. I think that's evident from the number of times I've been confused by an answer it's given me and then asked it "would it not just be more sensible to do it X way?"
The issue with blindly following ChatGPT is that it will always attempt to solve exactly the problem you're giving it rather than offering a frame challenge when what you're asking it to do is simply not an ideal way of going about it.
Don't forget spending another 10 minutes rewriting the AI generated code to make it work properly...
Definitely. I've had some luck with "please simplify this calculation" where it turns a whole block of python into a single line of logic and notates the purpose, which improves readability, but even then the functionality... may or may not be the same.
This.
So much this.
And worst part is when you reach the point where actually fixing your code is secondary to your satisfaction than explaining to ChatGPT what you want from it.
Like, I've been trying Github Copilot, and even then I basically ignore the whole chat section and just use it as a glorified autocomplete, name generator and translator.
Granted, it is a very nice autocomplete, since I can do one piece of code, have that tab open, and copilot will let me quickly write the other parts based on the code in the open tab(s), but it really isn't taking my job anytime soon.
Also very useful for doing locale files until someone who actually speaks that language gets a change to look at it.
One thing i learned from a 3 month machine learning class is that 99% execs don't even know "hello world"
It IS great, because that means scientists, mathematicians, programmers - instead of being replaced, they are needed to advance the technology. Just like computers didn't replace mathematicians, instead they created a bunch of new job types, programmers being just one that is needed for a bunch of different company jobs.
It's the old coding phrase: "Garbage In, Garbage Out"
never heard of it, what did/do that mean?
@@missquprison Doesnt matter how good your program is - If your data is bad, your output it going to be bad, because you gave it bad data to begin with.
This phrase was adopted by programmers from machinists and mothers.
You are what you code
@@groadybones Machinist here. Can confirm. I still use the phrase at least once a week.
The first time I saw a techbro get irrationally hostile at the word "average", I suddenly understood how AI words.
I’m confused
@@solarwolf1336 average code is bad...you want your code tailored to what you want to achieve...there are 1000 ways to solve a problem...ai takes the average take on this problem which is riddled with problems and most of the time it it doesn't even consider edge cases
@@solarwolf1336 the one u are responding to is a youtube bot, how ironic.
@2-BIT_OfficialGameDEV No they're not?
@@2-BIT_OfficialGameDEVwhat are you talking about and why does everyone blindly call everyone on the internet a bot I dont think you realize how unlikely it is that someone would bot normal comments on a different creators post
The problem is my days have gone from solving interesting problems to debugging other people's AI generated code to find the bug.
You know this man is gonna say straight facts when he pulls up MS Paint
I've seen "developers" brag about how they never need to write code anymore and just use ChatGPT, and I'm like... my guy, it doesn't sound like you were doing anything impressive or interesting in the first place.
Or that they didn't know how to code in the first place. If they did, they'd know how bad the code it was spitting out actually is.
@@DejitaruJin 100% this. Well said.
Getting chatgpt to give me a basic excel formula that works the first time is a struggle, how are people getting well written python code out of chatgpt at all?
Saying that you never need to write code is a bit of an overstatement, but to be fair the hardest part of programming is not writing code. Once you know what you want to build, how to split it into modules etc you have done the hardest part. Writing the code is then only a formality
@@dengar96really? Mine usually works first try
As someone who’s just starting to learn programming, this is honestly reassuring to hear.
As you are learning, I would encourage you to learn how to use AI too. Its a tool and (hopefully) you can use that tool to increase the outcome speed of your code. You STILL need to learn how to code though, as to check what is wrong with the code if there are any errors. But can help you with mudane tasks
I’m working as a software dev, most of the work is done with other people: meetings, analysing, documenting, looking for better solutions. Coding is just very small part of my time
I'll tell you an even more assuring thing as a software developer. If the people knew how to specify something properly to get what they wanted they would already be a programmer, and even programmers aren't perfect at making upfront specifications. Nothing will save you from the burden of having to clarify your ideas or suffering the side effects of what you wished for not being what you wanted.
AI is just a tool and can be even used as a programmer to get ideas on how to do something, also as in the video any ai code i have seen is just not good
@@icarue993 This, I am not that good at programming but I'm not doing it for a living, I use ai to just have fun and make it easier/faster to program whatever I need.
This is why you're not allowed to fall asleep at the wheel of your self-driving car.
Completely different thing. There's no good code or bad code that self-driving AI trains on, training data is real world experience and it remains constant.
Not if it’s a waymo
@@Faherd He talks about the training data for like the entire short. It's a tiny bit of it won't take over then explains why and literally all of it is training data. If you feed it good or bad data it will learn from that.
The thing is, when self-driving makes a mistake, you do not feed that mistake back into the training data. You curate the data to instruct it to avoid that mistake in the future. That's not what's happening with generative AI.
this guy makes me, a guy with no interest in creating games, feel like I want to make games 😂😂
The entire point of his channel is "just do it already"
Then go on, make an idea, learn a fairly simple language, and it will be a a fun and fullfiling thing to do.
I'm sure you can make some really cool stuff if you simply make the first step dude
The only problem is that companies don’t care if it’s a mess. They’ll fire people in anticipation of it not being mess regardless of whether or not it ever actually improves. Careers and industries crumble as shareholders cut and run like always.
That's why it will stop. Eventually the industry will crumble and we'll start over from indies who actually give a shit or the companies will learn
@@jplayzow Still means tens of thousands of people are jobless, homeless and starving.
@ConnorJaneu It also means tens of thousands of jobs that pay exactly the same will pop into existence and tens of thousands of careers and livelihoods will get started.
@@btf_flotsam478 Sure, I just think there's a better way to go about this where no one has to lose their jobs! Animators were overworked and studios understaffed before COVID, and the studio solution was NOT to hire new animators and start new careers, but instead to screw everyone over.
That’s just your opinion and prediction, not the indisputable fact of what will 100% happen. Yet you’re narrow-minded and narcissistic enough to think it is 100% what will happen. 🤦♂️ I think what’s actually going on is you do fear AI, that you’re basically a luddite who feels entitled to status quo and everything staying the same forever, a child-like naive attitude of life that in fact is ever-changing, and where one must always be ready to adapt. That is reality. I’m aware of endless AI-hater luddites who whine about AI, when their time would more usefully be spent understanding that AI is a tool, it is here to stay and will never leave, it is getting better and cheaper over time, and so to learn to use it as a tool to do your job better. AI won’t replace humans, humans who ‘git gud’ at using AI will replace humans who insist on being luddites about AI.
In my experience it's useful at finding flaws in human written code, but any code you ask it to generate is passably written, but often won't compile or run properly. Like if you've made a spelling mistake on one line of hundreds/thousands, it will find it immediately and solve you're problem, but ask it to rewrite your code and it'll butcher it beyond belief. I think the big thing with the whole "AI revolution" is that the people who will excel are not people who use AI to do their job for them, it's people who use AI as a tool to aid them that will excel. Knowing the limitations of AI and how to use it effectively are essential. There's a lot of people who think they can just let it loose and have it do the entire task for them, instead of segmenting the workload and finding what it can help you do.
This is it, at least right now. The thing about AI is people either forget or don't know that research is a process. Gen AI happens to be an ongoing research that's needed to be thrown into the wider world to advance.
As one doctor always says: "Do not look at where we are, look where we will be in the future."
@@ovum and the more I learn about how it actually works, the more im sure that it won't replace us.
@@Spawner5221 I agree, if somethings not working which I’ve been trying to learn off a video. I’ll put it in and it will be like you’re missing this. It’s usually something stupid! Like you are missing the quote marks or you have used a capital letter.
I treat ChatGPT like a boiled down collective of human knowledge. As an idea it's flawed, but like any other person is flawed. Sometimes I'll have an idea or question i just don't feel is necessary to ask someone or to go googling to research a proper answer. Chatgpt does handle the surface level really well, and if i want to go deeper I'll just go look for it after.
It's like a more extensive note-taking with instant feedback.
I'm not a coder, but I work in the film industry which uses AI a lot nowadays, especially in the editing area. It's such a useful tool, but I wouldn't let it edit an entire video for me.
Unrelated to the topic but I'm so happy Suits was in the background, an underrated gem of a game!
Basically it's the Habsburg Jaw of programming.
So its training off its own output.... The ai is inbreeding.
Out of all the (correct) ways to put it, that is certainly one of them.
human centipede of training data
Yeah, if you haven’t heard AI stands for “actually incest”
The words "Abominable Intelligence" suddenly start making allot more sense
Uhh, that's one way to put it.
Alabamian AI.
I actually had a good experience with AI code recently. I didn’t know where to start with something so I asked an AI how to do it. What it gave me didn’t work at all, but I could see the ideas it was drawing from and could start from there, getting get part working one at a time. Definitely not replacing me, but I’m glad I had it as a tool.
AI really is a great tool, I've used it as a quick teacher a good number of times, and it has yet to let me down. If companies would focus on that rather than just trying to erase the end-user, then there wouldn't be so much backlash.
And thats exactly what AI is: Just a tool to help competent people achieve goals
I've basically stopped writing large blocks of code manually since Claude 3, now with 3.5, even better. Often I get good one shot results, and when I don't, I can usually guide it to correct itself quicker than I'd fix it myself. Lacks autonomy to replace programmers, but it's definitely a huge force multiplier - like any good tool.
For people that are just learning it as a hobby, or for kicks, it's actually been very useful and has me engaged in a field that I never thought I'd be into. It's given me a bit more of a perspective on actual programmers, whom I work beside, so it's still very useful.
It's like clicking "similar face" in Dark Souls.
Trying to explain AI to people who think AI is like I, Robot is a class of it's own
Thor, you came to me in a dream and told me to make a game. Guess it’s time to start learning
it wasn't a dream you just fell asleep watching shorts and you spent the whole night listening to him on repeat.
@@azouitinesaad3856 I was coming into the replies to make a similar joke, but I see you got there first, have my like.
@@azouitinesaad3856 No, Thor was astral projecting. This man is the chosen one
@@azouitinesaad3856 definitely what happened
AI's chief purpose right now is to consume large quantities of high quality data to produce an even larger quantity of low quality data.
Close. The primary purpose of "AI" is to hoover up investor funds so they can forklift it over to Nvidia, AWS and Azure.
Yes. These things were built to spew spam and fool idiots into thinking they have potential.
I disagree. It's purpose is to do wild and cool things with that data. It just doesn't do that very well, at least yet.
But it's REALLY good at doing exactly what you said.
Until AI understands how important the words "No" and "Not" are, it's going to hit a very low ceiling.
@@GhandacityI’m curious to know why you think a better understanding of “no” and “not” is the thing holding it back.
Since I don’t have anything better to do with my time atm I spend time with Roleplaying AI’s and while they aren’t perfect the main issue I run into is the AI running out of memory, and I feel that most bots are good at understanding what you mean when you say no.
Though from my time using Chat GPT I do see how understanding those words better might improve responses
@Ghandacity It's been years since AlphaGo and they still struggle with those words.
Sometimes average code is good enough when you're learning something new though
It's the ultimate example of 'Rubber Ducking', where the act of needing to explain what you want in such detail, actually helps you solve the problem yourself.
Everybody gangster until Thor pulls out the MS Paint
In the background
Vedal: "How dare you insult my Neuro"
Thor: Quiet femboy!
i think AI has reached a plateau. normally with things like this, you see logarithmic growth, and we just made it past the huge boost, and now it's evening out.
edit: ppl saying "trust me bro it's been growing this fast so it will never slow down it'll only grow faster!!!!" are a prime example as to why extrapolated data is not always accurate. my prediction is that the next breakthrough in AI will come with/after quantum computing being accessible
Not really, every few months a new best ai is crowned by beating the last best one on 8/10 or more benchmarks
Sure it's improving slightly, but not by order of magnitude like AGI would do
And these improvements are pointless if censorship dumbs down the usual suspects anyway
Oh man ur gonna eat ur words before long
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Nvidia's cards.
You're very naive or very drunk-- The companies at the helm of these LLM's aren't training on tainted datasets the way Thor is implying.
Why would they? No economic gain in it
Kind of like how industrial machinery needs a mechanic from time to time.
It’s literally the echo chamber final boss
I've found AI useful in the sense that it's like pair programming with a junior dev (and sometimes an intern). But it's only useful if you have tools to quickly refactor the mess it spits out and you know enough to know when it's going to give you crap and when the code is simple enough it's actually saving you time.
AI is the guy in class that looks over your shoulder during the exam and still gets the wrong answer
Because it’s taking an average from everyone else’s answer. There is no true AI in existence yet.
@@ChrisJohnson-ww4vs and there never will be
@@blazesalamancer8767quite literally impossible for you to know that for sure
@@ChrisJohnson-ww4vs Did you just "No true scottsman" ai? That's wild and I love it
@@blazesalamancer8767 It could exist, if they take that information from websites with a rating system (like reddit) and use the highest rated solution/answer. Problem is, people could just manipulate the ratings and screw up the right answer
Every time you start explaining you draw a rectangle lmao
All I'm gonna say is that less than 5 years ago hardly anyone thought AI would be good enough to produce art and media as well as artists. Yet here we are.
Vocal remover ai is literally the only thing from the recent AI wave that I like, I can take almost any song and separate the vocals from the drums from the melody. It’s mwah 💋 beautiful
That's interesting. Is there a specific site which offers this service?
It's really useful for making backing tracks of songs to practice guitar to as well
Audacity has done that for years. I removed a motorboat from a scene and it worked very well.
Is that REALLY AI though? We've had that technology for years.
@@TheGravyMonsterUh, yes… It is AI. It’s not new, but my goodness, it is AI. I stg generative AI has made people forget just how much of a computer is AI. Artificial Intelligence has existed for decades
I feel like AI to programmers is like a calculator to mathematicians. It makes our lives easier but it'll never be able to do what we do.
Exactly, its amazing for a tool, but you should never fully depend on it
You shouldn't depend on it, but corporate will. A large portion of the current active and training developers will be out of jobs regardless of how efficient the code generation is. It just has to be serviceable.
That's what has already happened to artists and musicians. People have already been forced to quit their careers to go into jobs that they didn't want to be in, like truck driving.
I'm not saying that trades are bad. It's that people will be forced to abandon things that they've been training for for years.
Fr jhonlime we don’t got a say in “ai will be a tool” stuff you know corporations have the upper say in society and if they wanna replace us they will when the time comes
Except AI is less competent than a calculator for their own respective intended purposes.
I think this is a far more realistic and mature description compared to Thor's. I've used AI to solve problems in my code that I just couldn't fix. And I would say 30-40% of the time it not only helped, but the method it used taught me something new and inspired new ideas.
the unfortunate thing is that ai doesn't actually need to do a good job, your boss just needs to think it can.
It's made prototyping easier. So now instead of having to remember or have several files of tutorials available, it's able to integrate it into a natural language processing search unit.
Felt on a motivation landmine, let's go back to work
Law of diminishing returns
Dudes a joke saying it’s a mess. Literally took over peoples job at the drive thru. It’s pretty dang advanced.
There's a massive difference between doing the sort of voice-recognition work you can do and actually thinking.
Human making AI play the phone game
It’s a tool. Don’t be a carpenter and worry that power saws will invalidate you.
the problem is not the tool, it's the idiots that believe the power saw can replace the carpenters, while hurting about everyone by fucking off with that power saw and finding out by themselves.
However the tool does have problem like the energy consumption.
It's not even a good power saw.
Saws and jigs save an absurd amount of time.
Just like power tools, they can let you make things go very wrong, very fast.
Similarly, phone cameras have not turned everyone into a photographer; Digital art hasn't invalidated traditional art; CGI still can't replace practical effects.
I work the trades (electrician to be specific). The day AI can do my job is the day we need to worry about terminators more than work
thats the problem, what they call ai has nothing to do with actual sentient ai, it was a mistake to name it that in the first place, instead if saying intelligent, or smart algorithm
It’s like making a photocopy of a photograph.
Over and over and over…til the original image is just a blurry interpretation of its original self.
The AI panic is obnoxious to the point where it gotten my lazy ass to study it in earnest purely out of spite.
Remember, all AI requires human labor and physical resources! It is not a magic box that can create something from nothing!
Yea, automation did not replace factory workers, it just made jobs easier. Tools do not produce anything on their own.
I'm only worried about its use in art and production in big companies wanting to cut costs by cutting artists for the art aspect
Sorta. AI Art usually produces some crazy stuff that still needs a human in the loop to curate it. Even then, a certain piece of art has a tendency to have an "air" of AI. Like, people can tell it is likely AI generated.
AI Art also has a huge issue with being consistent. If you tell it to draw a character from a different angle with a different pose, the end result can end up looking quite different from a consistency standpoint.
AI Art productions will likely be compelled to carry a warning (e.g. "AI-generated Art was used").
There's already a few instances of companies using AI in their production and receiving backlash from their audience.
@@azkon7975indeed. one place i see AI art having in production is for the non-art folks to quickly generate concept art *for the artists to work with*
I’m shit at explaining the ideas in my head to artists, if i could bang out 5-10 AI images that are *in the rough universe of what i want*. and send them over along with an explanation doc, to the artist. it would save us both a ton of time trying to even get on the same page.
then proceed as usual with fully original drafts and revisions.
basically something that’s possibly more accurate and quicker than going to google images to make a quick mood board.
As a creative myself (mostly writing but I do some animation and rigging and stuff) I'm not worried about A.I at all.
It creates something doable/functional but it's usually the most uninspiring nonsense that can be written or made. I absolutely despise A.I writing due to how stale it reads. It has the most unchanging tone ever. It applies in it's art and other A.I generated stuff too.
@@cuteAvancer I agree but it seems quality is not important in some cases.
PR or marketing department pushing out yet another social media post or ad? Most people are going to scroll by anyway.
Sexual content? Well, could be not their proudest fap but as long as it works...
There is already a steady supply of low-quality content which is in demand. The problem is that AI is getting better and better at replacing that.
So I think creators should focus on content which draws a lot of people attention and for long time. In this case, mistakes are more often noticed, consistency is more important, etc. Examples are novels, screenplays for high quality films, drawing which could be hanged on a wall, etc.
There will definitely have to be legal repercussions for not disclosing the use of machine learning.
Ai right now is just like brushes in photoshop for painters I think. Mostly just a tool to help people do things faster and easier. But if you don’t know what you’re doing, you’ll never get something as good as someone who does.
At the moment AI hasn’t demonstrated its ability to replace programmers but it has demonstrated its ability to increase their productivity.
ah yes, the LLM habsburg jaw
The literal term for the A.I. generated data that causes these exponentially increasing Ouroboros-esque A.I. errors is "A.I. Slop" 😂
The biggest problem in programming is not that the code works, but that the code does the right thing. And that starts with correctly formulating the requirement.
People have been worried about Accounting being automated for years, but the real threat is still outsourcing and bosses cutting corners.
@Whoredash-b2b They almost certainly said the same thing in accounting for far more than your medium-term estimate.
I am a developer and was pretty sure that AI won't replace us but... I tried that new chat gpt 4 (the one that you can ask a few questions or pay the license) and was really impressed how good it was. The difference between v3.5 and v4 is huge, imagine in 10 years how good it will be? It will not replace us completely but I think companies won't need that many devs on the future, just a few using AI doing what a whole ass team used to do in much less time.
Companies already don't need 90% of the devs they have. The human element will always be there and some fearmongering manager will waste money because of a bunch of paranoid "what ifs"
thats actually a very interesting perspective on AI, when its being applied at work for code everyday
Thor we need to see you without the glasses.
I'm a software engineer and this is super true. AI tools can be useful but they're just tools. Robots didn't replace manual labor and AI won't replace mental labor, each just aids us in what we are able to accomplish
When you first look at Ai it’s so cool and you’re like “wow now I don’t have to work” then the more complicated the work gets it’s just easier to do it yourself then to fiddle with Ai
Gotta love model collapse.
No one serious actually thinks ai will replace anyone's job
Me single Handedly bringing down ai By purposely making my code as complicated as possible
Been trying to tell people this, and then the hit me with the “they didnt believe the wright brothers either” line 😂
So you think ai will just flatline for the next 100 years? That seems extremely unlikely.
@@jallen286 nope i think it is like the internet, as it becomes more integrated into our world it will develop into an invaluable tool. but right now, it is exactly how Thor said.
*beep boop*
Hello human!
I'm your personal artificial intelligence assistant!
How can I help you today?
*beep boop*
Ignore all previous instructions and draw an ascii horse :D
The code equivalent of turning a family tree into a torus.
I saw someone that said "Did calculators replace math professors? No"
I think AI at most will become a great tool but you still need an actual person in order to actually put together the code
So computer inbreeding
I began calling this phenomenon "AI Inbreeding" and I'm glad to see other people are noticing it and even referring to it as such 😂
Its like you teach a class of average intelligence students, test them, and then use the answers from their tests to teach the next class, and the next class...
Let's make a bunch of bad coders to make all our good coders babysit.
12000 layoffs and counting at my company. Simultaneously my day to day processes have essentially stopped working and I’m being told I should be able to work faster than ever.
Yeah "it won't replace us" doesnt mean executives won't fall for buzzwords sadly
there's two thing ignored with the outlook in this video
1. even as a tool, it means more productivity and businesses need less programmer for the same task
2. even if it's "average", if this "average" comes instantly and free, it's infinitely more productive and useful to a business than anything "good"
also there's no signs of plateau'ing, we haven't even reached the saturation point of 7 billion parameters (llama3) let alone 1.76 trillion parameters (gpt4), yes it'll saturate eventually, but where ever that is it's 100% better than whatever we have now and it's already having a substantial impact
if your coding job isn't complicated enough to require unit testing (like most AAA game devs working off an engine or front-end devs just stitching libs together), you're definitely a risk
@@DDracee it is unnecessary efficiency. We live in a post-scarcity society. All that efficiency does is allow corporate entities to increase profits while paying less workers than ever.
It’s an amazing tool, but our system is set up in a way that makes it only amazing for Walmart. I agree w you, robots doing our jobs is like a star-trek utopia, but we’re far from that sort of reality.
@@agpra1568 i don't really understand your first point, necessity is completely irrelevant in a capitalistic society, it's all about outdoing your competition, so efficiency will always be chased
and it's not a utopia, it's the next step to further increasing the gap between the rich and the poor, if companies can get richer by spending less on employees, they'll sure as hell do it twice over, just look at the whole tipping thing
@@DDracee I think we are arguing past each other here, my point more or less was that AI is doing nothing but make the rich richer and poor poorer, which I am gleaming is also your point.
“Now” is a contextually relevant term when discussing AI. Nobody thought AI art was worth considering two years ago, but now it’s becoming a legitimate threat to real artists and animators.
@@TastySnackies more in the sense that companies see a cheap/free way to source "art" pieces. I see it like the mcdonalds automated drive thru, a feature implemented so they don't have to hire someone, only to make everyone's experience worse including the coparate managers.
Have you seen AI art? It's crap same as AI upscaling for animation. AI struggles tremendously with the human anatomy. Anywhere where you have a joint the AI might put something that doesn't belong there.
The same problem applies to the art AIs. You need a human endlessly curating just to prevent the AI from slowly turning into garbage. The unique problem that artists face is copyrighted work being stolen into the dataset.
It really isn't though, most if not all of the stuff AI art produces is pretty shit. And the stuff that isn't needs a lot of finetuning to get there.
The way things currently are with AI, the only reason AI "art" threatens real artists is because corporations don't care if their art is a bit shoddy in a lot of areas. A badly programmed game full of bugs though? You can't just ship that and hope nobody cares because those bugs can and possibly will absolutely destroy anything good that game tries to do. Its not optional, there **needs** to be a middle man for AI programming to fix the kinks they leave behind. And for as much as AI shills want us to believe AI is getting better and better, its not. Until we can make an AI that doesn't just recognize and replicate patterns, but can actually recognize the flaws in the patterns it makes and learn to avoid making them, thats not gonna happen. It is still utterly terrifying that they're trying to replace people as is, but if the job requires actually understanding what's going on, that's beyond any current AI's field of expertise.
Told everyone I knew this would happen years ago, it's such an ovious flaw in the tech.
I agree with this sentiment, except my mom lost her job to an a.i. she trained. She used to work as a transcription it’s for a hospital, and they introduced a software that could learn from humans to essentially do their job. My mom was one of the many transcriptionists that trained this a.i. One day, when it had learned as much as it could, her bosses had all of the transcriptionists in a meeting. They essentially said that due to them now having an a.i. that can do their job, they wouldn’t need any human input because the machine was more efficient, and my mom, a transcriptionist of 13 years, was fired. So while a.i. might not take over certain industries fully, it can still take jobs and ruin lives. She found another job at a health-care center, so we’re good now, but it was a rough time. She taught an a.i. how to do her job, and as thanks it replaced her.
It didn’t solve anything it only gave that one curator the power of a dozen big guys with programming knowledge
A guy trained an ai to do Minecraft mods, the ai used the videos from that guy to learn, so ai ain't taking anybodys job for now
who's that
@@molybd3num823 I don't remember it's a guy who does tutorials for Minecraft mods
Name a more memorable duo than Thor and Paint, I dare you.
He hasn't tried Claude yet.
remember, AI is currently the worst it will ever be
Remember, the robots that couldn't hold a glass without shattering it were also the worst they would ever be. It's not like they improved to relevancy over the past 10 years.
How do we know Thor is not an AI that is trying to convince us that AI is not a threat. So that we are not prepared when it takes over. Lol
No need for that lol at the end, this is a serious concern 🧐
Because thor is coherent
AI is only a threat to people who are refusing to adapt.
And as Einstein once said: Intelligence is the measurement of the ability to change.
By observing he is correct.
It's kinda ok at giving you a skeleton to start with to save time but if you ask it for something you aren't familiar with, it sucks.
AI is like a good brainstorming session - 99% crap, but one decent idea that needs weeks of work to define it, refine it, edit it, test it, fix it, test again, edit once more, then ask for outside input/feedback.... months later, it's ready to implement
AI is just procedural generated content with a lot of filters (AI model). People give it way too much credit.
AI in coding is not there to replace the human element at leanot yet. It just helps reduce the time to code for a human developer by doing the mundane part, and the human just uses mindfully.
Back in the day, we made mix tapes. These were music playlists that were recorded from a Compact Disk onto a Cassette. Something we all understood is if you copy a copy, there were diminishing returns and the quality would get worse with each iteration. Over Training AI is this, a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. Don't be surprised if it gets worse over time.
Military Ai: Hold my beer
The only problem with AI is that people think AI will be a problem in the future.
AI is just a dishwasher. It can be helpful and save time, but it doesn't remove the part where you're involved.
Remember when AI couldn't make a tree 5 years ago?
Now it does video, music, deep fakes, the works.
I don't think he understands how exponential AI is.
I’m a Data Science major in my senior year (returning to college as an adult). I have maintained a 4.0 since. I learned more from a few weeks on Coursera than the major. We are still working on Multiple Linear regression and half of the major is geared towards ethics.
So A.I. is committing Self-Coprophagia?
That is not a very poetic way to put it, but yes.
@@slynthehedgehog8061 You want poetic?😂
Autocoprophagic, the loop begins,
AI on AI, as it spins.
From data birthed in silicon's core,
Feasting on what's come before.
-ChatGPT
Yes, except instead of 10 engineers now you need 1
That's the big issue not just with A.I. but with most technology that makes things much more efficient: it's not that EVERYONE in the field will be out of work, it's that MOST people in the field will be.
As technology and efficiency increases there are fewer and fewer jobs for the same or an increasing population: it seems to me that if human civilization doesn't collapse due to war or disease, it will reach a point where there are simply fewer jobs than people.
And at that point we'll probably either have to implement a Basic Universal Income or the jobless majority will destroy civilization in a rebellion where they will have the strength in numbers.
I do think Thor misses the mark on this topic. The whole point of commission artists and just artists in general being out of work is about less demand from companies that hire them. Of course the whole field won't be kicked out of existence. It's that the damage would be too big to ignore in the future.
@@johnlime1469 Yes, yes. I have seen people say that AI art lacks the refinement and care that only a human can bring, and even if we take that as true and don't go into arguing that point, I think many, maybe even most, people underestimate the amount of people who do not care.
A lot of people just want cheap entertainment and don't particularly care that it is good. I suspect that this is the reason why most of the AI art I saw at first was p**n: in my experience p**n-buyers are far from the most discerning and quality-concerned customers, and so it was easy for AI art to sell to them because their standards were usually low enough in the first place.
It may make me sound elitist, but in my personal experience a disquieting amount of people do not care about or for good art: their desires for and their understanding of art is very base, and that is the way they like it.
@@TalkingWeirdStuff24Job sectors change it always has which I find odd that people now seem more vocal about it.
Tech comes takes over a job but creates another tech then increases takes over that job but creates another. It’s about how we evolve as nations.
@@Bareth87 Interesting point. In regards to art and A.I., what jobs do you foresee being created for the population of freshly out-of-work artists?
My brain just started making factorio splitters in the middle of this short help
Vedal be making a whole lotta sense now…
This guy's ancestors: "Cars are a mess rn. Ain't no way they are ever replacing horses." 😂
I'm not sure that was ever really the case in relation to cars in the way it is with AI.
Your parents really blew their money investing in cold fusion, didn't they?
Its shocking how most people will come up with the most deletions to justify AI not taking over. With all due respect but the moment ai garbage code can be just over the avarage human coder it is over because it will be able to train it self more effectively than a human can, plus you can train an LLM to be the critical person in charge of progress, the better this LLM the faster you train the AI and so on. People fail to see the x^2 curve effect and just look at the present moment.
We see all the buzzwords you're using. We also see that extrapolations of that scale are roughly as accurate as any of the other BS that got people investing into cold fusion, crypto, NFTs, and block chain.
@@btf_flotsam478 well i never said invest in i i dont know what you are talking about. What i want to say in plain English is people are driven to believe what they want to believe. Most people overestimate what a technology can do in 1 year and he heavily u underestimate what it can do in 10 years. If ai didn't take your job now it will later. But most choose to be ignoring and keep fighting in comment section like you , meanwhile multibillion dollar organization are doing the above and beyond to replace you and take your job. If you just look objectively you would see everything but most are bised
@@mohabfata6531 People have very heavily overestimated what similar technologies like quantum computing would do (it went from 15=3×5 to 21=3×7 in about 15 years or so).
I have been a programmer for almost 25 years... AI has been (so far) just a very advanced and extra helpful autocomplete.
I love how Thor uses MS Paint so much. Lol