Great video, I think you nailed every point. Perhaps we need better terminology to describe the range of shots available since as you said you can play a various shots that have elements of both (in their traditional sense)
Thanks! I think the terminology we have is good. We just need to be aware of the different resources we have rather than focusing on the debate of “this is a vibora and not a bandeja”. 🙌
when I play on the right side I like to play a vibora to the corner with a lot of sidespin. if it hits the back wall first my ball stays very close to the sidewall. if it hits the sidewall first it it is going very far to the middle. This way it is very difficult for my opponent to decide where they need to stand.
Nice video! I can't really play both distinctly but think I understand the basics of both shots, and when we play each. I certainly agree that there seems to be a bit too much debate, and like the concept of far aggressive bandeja OR slow defensive vibora. Do we agree generally that a bandeja is a safer shot? Meaning les probable to make an unforced error
One thing that could have been explained here is WHY traditionally the bandeja (i.e. shot with backspin) is usually used as a defensive shot, and why the vibora (i.e. shot with sidespin) is usually used as a offensive shot.
We have a couple of videos on this topic where we cover those aspects 😜 That’s an interesting point but… can’t you also play an offensive backspin shot? 🤔
Yes, we can. In fact that how I attack because I can't give sidespin to the ball while being consistent with the shot :) So I would like to understand the main reasons why pros prefer to attack with sidespin than backspin ... from my experience it's hard to acelerate the ball a lot with backspin but I don't know if that's the main reason. Also, the arc the ball makes in the air with sidespen makes it harder to give 2 steps foward and block the vibora ...
@@joaovieira6943I think the side spin makes it a slightly trickier shot to manage, as it adds a lateral movement to the ball and depending on the speed and impact, it will be more unpredictable and tough to use to attack back. Backspin will not be so unpredictable and the pros are just so good at picking up any ball down to a few cm height, they could use to attack. Lastly, I think the lateral movement also means less bounce back into the court, which would keep the defense closer to the back wall.
Even some of the pro’s have a mix between Vibora and Bandeja. As long as the shot selection is good, its not very important in my opinion. The oldschool bandeja seems less and less present in the pro class.
Great video! I don't think it's worth over analysing the shot as the most import shot to master in padel is the kick smash. Joking of course! Truth is I think a good well placed badeja or hybrid badeja/vibora can do so much damage if played at the right pace to the right part of the court.
Hi, on question on positioning. From where do you play each of the shots. My opinion, is that you play bandeja from further back in the court (eg third post) and vibora from closer to the front (eg second post). Obviously depending on your skills, the higher the skills, rhe further back you can play vibora.
That’s an interesting point! Technically is the same as we are covering here (a few meters further back) buuuut tactically it is different since your opponents are going to be usually at the net
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great vido Gonzalo, such a great explanation on this debate!
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Great video, I think you nailed every point. Perhaps we need better terminology to describe the range of shots available since as you said you can play a various shots that have elements of both (in their traditional sense)
Thanks! I think the terminology we have is good. We just need to be aware of the different resources we have rather than focusing on the debate of “this is a vibora and not a bandeja”. 🙌
when I play on the right side I like to play a vibora to the corner with a lot of sidespin. if it hits the back wall first my ball stays very close to the sidewall. if it hits the sidewall first it it is going very far to the middle. This way it is very difficult for my opponent to decide where they need to stand.
Bandeja aviborada! Mix between both looks like a good option for me, with more or less effect/strength.
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Please explain for a left handed player- for both sides (left/right)
Nice video! I can't really play both distinctly but think I understand the basics of both shots, and when we play each.
I certainly agree that there seems to be a bit too much debate, and like the concept of far aggressive bandeja OR slow defensive vibora.
Do we agree generally that a bandeja is a safer shot? Meaning les probable to make an unforced error
It is a safer shot yes, since your main idea is just to recover the net!
One thing that could have been explained here is WHY traditionally the bandeja (i.e. shot with backspin) is usually used as a defensive shot, and why the vibora (i.e. shot with sidespin) is usually used as a offensive shot.
We have a couple of videos on this topic where we cover those aspects 😜 That’s an interesting point but… can’t you also play an offensive backspin shot? 🤔
Yes, we can. In fact that how I attack because I can't give sidespin to the ball while being consistent with the shot :)
So I would like to understand the main reasons why pros prefer to attack with sidespin than backspin ... from my experience it's hard to acelerate the ball a lot with backspin but I don't know if that's the main reason. Also, the arc the ball makes in the air with sidespen makes it harder to give 2 steps foward and block the vibora ...
We answer those questions in our video on the vibora 😉
@@joaovieira6943I think the side spin makes it a slightly trickier shot to manage, as it adds a lateral movement to the ball and depending on the speed and impact, it will be more unpredictable and tough to use to attack back. Backspin will not be so unpredictable and the pros are just so good at picking up any ball down to a few cm height, they could use to attack.
Lastly, I think the lateral movement also means less bounce back into the court, which would keep the defense closer to the back wall.
Even some of the pro’s have a mix between Vibora and Bandeja. As long as the shot selection is good, its not very important in my opinion. The oldschool bandeja seems less and less present in the pro class.
I completely agree 🙌
Great video! I don't think it's worth over analysing the shot as the most import shot to master in padel is the kick smash. Joking of course! Truth is I think a good well placed badeja or hybrid badeja/vibora can do so much damage if played at the right pace to the right part of the court.
Agree, playing a lot of kick smashes is a great way to make the difference 😂
Hi, on question on positioning. From where do you play each of the shots.
My opinion, is that you play bandeja from further back in the court (eg third post) and vibora from closer to the front (eg second post). Obviously depending on your skills, the higher the skills, rhe further back you can play vibora.
That’s a good general rule yes! But it is also important to be aware of what other possibilities you may have 🙌
@padeldriver and what are those possibilities you refer to? Always open to learn ...
The ones we mention on this video! For example, if you get a bit late and the ball is already behind you a vibora might be more convenient 💪
Does the Vibora require any wrist movement as you move the follow through around? Versus Bandeja having a locked wrist? Happy for corrections here...
I do use it quite a lot yes, it does help
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Bandeja should be a defensive shot but can be attacking shot as much as possible with the ambition to recover the net. Correct ? Cheers
I like that answer! 😉
@@padeldriver thanks and looking forward watching the next videos ! Keep it up!
When I hit at 5pm ;-) , it's a vibora when I make the point and a bandeja if the ball come back 😛.
😂 what if the ball goes to the net?
You can also play a flat bandejawith No spin
Yes! Although it would be less challenging for your opponent
@@padeldriver depends, short in the around the T with slow tempo, then not so easy
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Thanks a lot for your words 🥰 we still have a lot of room for improvement! 💪
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It would be interesting to hear where a bahada fits into this conversation ...?
That’s an interesting point! Technically is the same as we are covering here (a few meters further back) buuuut tactically it is different since your opponents are going to be usually at the net
Is a Bajada technically a vibora or bandeja after the ball bounces off the back wall? I love that shot :)
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Viboleja = back glass 😂
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Haha, then it must be a vieja ..
That spanish word already exists 😂 and it is not a nice one 🤪