Ep. 36: Jim Ward of Sparta Discusses his Departure from At the Drive In
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In episode 36 of The New Scene, Jim Ward discussed his departure from At The Drive In and the personal aftermath. Check out the full discussion in episode 36 of The New Scene - Available now all podcast platforms.
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I love jim and without him there's no atdi.
I love Cedric and Omar but it seems like they can't stop being assholes to this man
it takes me back to when they fired jon theodore and many years later regretted it and realized they were being immature. seeing how jim here is being a class act, maybe one day they might come to the realization that they might have been immature with jim too.
Jim was always the backbone of atdi. Whenever the band did stuff without him it showed
Frances The Mute is a masterpiece.
take it easy bubba
@@eviltwinkkFrances the mute was terrible and they shouldve been sent to prison over it, it was just that bad
@@eviltwinkk those unnecessary 4 minutes of random noise after every song knock it down from masterpiece status. Cut that shit out and yes, it's incredible and on par with Deloused.
Tony and Paul were the backbone. Drum and Bass.
We love you Jim. We seriously love you.
Jim is class. Respect to him. Thank you for being so respectful to the band I once loved.
The decision to "remove" Jim is the reason the newest At the Drive in album didn't pop off with the fans.
Surely didn't help
Man, you can't argue with a single word of what he says at the very end of this.
Very well said Jim..
Cause he’s basically not really saying anything
@@gtube1477 He sounds like there are hard feelings, but he's doing what he can to avoid making it personal, taking responsibility where it's due, and is accepting it.
he seems to always be the bigger man in these situations
seems like he prefers to blame himself, take all the fault up on him, and say that it is just a band anyways so no reason to be mad. Yet he clearly is extremely hurt by this. He seems like he isn't good at defending himself and standing up for himself and then got pushed over by some of the band members repeatedly (I can imagine who)
@@kulman4295yeah for sure, and there's limits and harmful ways of doing this, but i don't seem to think that here. what you mention point to someone being the bigger person. i can't say cause i'm not a witness to it all but i would be curious to hear paul's or tony's perspective even though it's not my business
@@kulman4295he's honestly a better man than me. i would probably talk shit.
In any social situation with a group of people, the sociopath always gets rid of the nice guy in the group first, he's in the way of all the scamming he wants to do.
Jim does a good job of sounding calm and reasonable but I just wonder how so many of Jim's people have chosen Omar and Cedric over Jim. Jim's cousin Jeremy played with TMV. ATDI and Sparta's Paul left Sparta to join TMV. ATDI drummer's Tony didn't stick by Jim's side when he was let go, and his role was replaced by someone else in Sparta.
In the press, Jim definitely seems like the mature one but it just amazes me how all these people didn't stick by him. Makes you wonder what it's like outside of the press.
Yeah. We know Cedric voted to kick Jim out and Omar didn't. That means Paul and Tony did.
@@bradmohr8098 The kneejerk reaction is to assume a majority of people will always do the right thing when someone is getting picked on or singled out and stick up for what is right (in whatever form that may take in life). Painfully, the opposite really seems to be the standard. Most people will standby passively and go with the stronger personality out of fear or maybe even just join in on the fun to score brownie points with the instigator. Thats just being a regular person with regular groups of people you encounter. Ok, then add the temptation of money, fame, drugs, sex etc and people get real nasty. They say you don't know who your friends are until the chips are down, well I am here to tell you that you *REALLY* don't know who your friends are until the chips are up. Times of plenty and excess seem to bring out the truly bad stuff lurking inside a lot of people.
@@palehorse1111 that's a bold assumption to think every single person I named is going for the money or w/e by siding with Omar/Cedric. I guess it's impossible to imagine that Jim could actually be a real difficult person to be around in those situations. Even wilder to assume that in the case of Jeremy who was blood family.
@@RB-nl6qv If Jim had been really sour grapes to everyone and an obvious @sshole I wouldn't be saying this. He's come off rather reasonable and reluctant to throw stones.
i will always love omar and cedric for everything theyve ever done musically but i dont think i could imagine myself being friends with those guys seeing how many people found it difficult to be around them.For me, they dont seem like horrible people, they just seem difficult.
There's some real wisdom here
That was actually really lovely I agree with that ending too
not a big deal, its punk, dude was in most of the bands discography. He already contributed as much as he should have.
Sleepercar is massively underrated. Go listen to them.
Omar and Cedric seem like a massive pain to deal with.
In casino out is their best album, which is the most “Jim” album of their catalog.
Love Jim
If you really cant tell what happened, just look into Cedric and Omar a little bit. They were into a lot of things that Jim didnt want to be a part of. Those things were easier to avoid and less pervasive when they were teens and early 20s, but he didnt want to be a part of it now that he was an adult. Drugs and the drug lifestyle were a large part of it.
Omar and Cedric have been clean since restarting ATDI. Drugs is not an issue with this reunion
@@RB-nl6qv yeah, well sometimes people lie
@@palehorse1111 can’t just go off suspicions without proof tho
@@RB-nl6qv I know, just my anecdotal from friends I knew who became addicts.
@@palehorse1111 did your friends win grammys and start families while traveling the world with their talents? ha
I love Jim Ward. Best ATDI song is hands down HourGlass
Just say it straight man. Confusing.
Sounds like it's as simple as he doesn't get along with Cedric and or omar
They told him couldn't co-write any of the new album, they demoted him to the privilege of being their auxiliary bitch guitar if wanted in on the tour.
@@palehorse1111
That’s awful if that’s the case.
I love you, Jim!!! 1:51
Whatever happened to the preview song they recorded when the reunion was announced? It sounded so good like something off of relationship of command
That was awesome and it didn't appear on the album. I've only ever heard on Twitter and they never released it.
Anyone have a link to that song?
@@ADGOyes please
Whats it called ???
@@blackspring3207 don’t know it was a small clip but it had the Arc Arsenal relationship of command style sound
At the drive in is HIS band he started it.
Yea, but he left for alittle bit there...
I'm pretty sure he didn't play on acrobatic tenement
@@johnnyscifi uh yes he did. He wrote most of the material and you can hear him sing back up especially on Starslight
@@johnnyscifi He didn't play on El Gran Orgo but he did on everything else up until 2016
He may have started it, but Cedric is the only one who was at every show, before the 1st breakup
ATDI was 110% better with Jim in it. They fucked up big time by removing him.
He said a whole bunch of vague word salad. Obviously it was a contract dispute. That's always the case when a key player pulls out at the last minute. He probably made a bluff and got called on it.
Could he have demanded abstinence from drugs and they refused?
@@Metal_Horror No clue.
@@Metal_Horror look at cedric and omar's history. Omar has been clean since mid 00s' and Cedric got sober before Atdi reunion
They have been together since they were kids... I love this band it was our band of the generation but think about this how many people are close now with their friends growing up. Egos and drama will rise no matter what. ATDI shows are a little weak it just seems forced.
what was the reason?
Hedonism is such a participation sport.
Duh
I wonder what he's dancing around. Drugs?
Probably some of it.
Hes never reduced himself to trash talking. He's not about to start either...:)
@@johnnyscifi i mean he already kind of is, just very passive aggressively and then trying to be real polite about it afterward
That's a good guess. He said he was the only one on a different page, that he couldn't do what they were doing physically or mentally. But he says he got dropped. Could they have dropped him because he demanded abstinence?
Cedric and Omar are the reasons why ATDI went to shit
Honestly the very last ep was fire jim just over it either way Its not sleepercar😂
Cedric and Omar are At the Drive-In. Jim, Paul, and Tony were great players in their own right, but they don't have that level of other worldly creativity of Cedric and Omar. Seriously, take those two out of the picture, and what are you left with? Sparta. Even though I would stick up for some of Sparta's cuts, it's obvious people care a lot less about them, in comparison to ATD-I or even Volta.
@@claustrophobe2222 Otherworldly creativity, sure, but to say At the Drive-In was Omar's band is insulting to Jim. At the Drive-In was Cedric and Jim's band, when Cedric and Jim originally couldn't work together anymore they split. Then by the time they re-united history was re-written to say it was Cedric and **Omar's** band (not to mention their egos) so they saw Jim as disposable. Omar wasn't even in the band for the first 2 years of it. He a bass player with minimal creative on my personal favorite ATDI album. Think about it, if they just told the public "we're going for a more post hardcore, throwback sound" Interalia could literally have been a MV album and nobody would have blinked since they really have no genre. It would have been different, yes, but that would have just been MV being MV. I like MV and I like Omar, he's probably objectively the best musician who played in ATDI.. but ATDI was Jim and Cedric's band. Period.
Yeah inter Alia was a very weak lacklustre album and I wish it never was released. I think El gran orgo E.P didn’t have Jim on though and I liked that.
Meh, it was actually really good. Don’t use this as an excuse to hate on it. You’ve never made a record that good. Guarantee it.
I’m taking the middle ground and saying it was good, but not great. It had some good stuff on it but some tracks were undercooked. Tbh though, even if Jim had been in the band they would still have struggled to create anything that stepped out of the shadow of Relationship.
@@mattd1659 It was mediocre at best. A band like Atdi only works in their 20s. The production for inter alia by Omar wasn’t as good as Ross Robinson either. And frustrating enough he hated Robinsons production.
@@mojopin1997 Agree with you about the production. As much as they seemed to hate it at the time, the production really elevates RoC, and yeah, Inter did need some beefing up in places.
@@mattd1659 I do like the lead single governed by contaigons. However the vocals were poor on inter alia. . I don’t like Cedric’s singing voice anymore and it’s sad that everyone thinks the Mars Volta are more superior now and Atdi have been forgotten. Nothing Cedric or Omar ever do will better relationship of command and it’s excellent b sides.
Kind of lionel messi style 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
sounds like some victim mentality with a lot of "buts"
Sin él en la banda NO ES AT THE DRIVE IN
Why not? Saw them in 2016 with Keely and it ruled.
Something tells me Cedric and Jim aren't on the best of terms
@@exactmazta8959 like towards white ppl I heard they were
He's not racist. Cedric himself is partially white. He has blue eyes and his last name is very German. Cedric and Omar just seem to have an attitude problem and are selfish, pretentious hipsters with egos the size of Texas. Difficult personalities.
Cedric seems arrogant
@@mojopin1997 and Omar is a dictator. a lot of creatively driven people are bastards and that's part of the formula
cheers dream brother
@@mojopin1997 I saw the Mars Volta live in 2008 and Cedric stopped the show to make fun of the crowd because our lack of energy and enthusiasm. Everyone except Omar seemed in a terrible mood and Cedric kept giving dirty looks to people in the crowd and the side of the stage. I left feeling unimpressed by Cedric and it was a small "never meet your heros" moment for me. He was a prick. Omar seems cool as fuck though, he was the only one smiling and just having a blast the entire time. Thomas Pridgen too. Paul looked like he was hung over and wanted to kill himself.