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Yeah. We know Cedric voted to kick Jim out and Omar didn't. That means Paul and Tony did.

@@bradmohr8098 The kneejerk reaction is to assume a majority of people will always do the right thing when someone is getting picked on or singled out and stick up for what is right (in whatever form that may take in life). Painfully, the opposite really seems to be the standard. Most people will standby passively and go with the stronger personality out of fear or maybe even just join in on the fun to score brownie points with the instigator. Thats just being a regular person with regular groups of people you encounter. Ok, then add the temptation of money, fame, drugs, sex etc and people get real nasty. They say you don't know who your friends are until the chips are down, well I am here to tell you that you *REALLY* don't know who your friends are until the chips are up. Times of plenty and excess seem to bring out the truly bad stuff lurking inside a lot of people.

@@palehorse1111 that's a bold assumption to think every single person I named is going for the money or w/e by siding with Omar/Cedric. I guess it's impossible to imagine that Jim could actually be a real difficult person to be around in those situations. Even wilder to assume that in the case of Jeremy who was blood family.

@@RB-nl6qv If Jim had been really sour grapes to everyone and an obvious @sshole I wouldn't be saying this. He's come off rather reasonable and reluctant to throw stones.

Omar and Cedric have been clean since restarting ATDI. Drugs is not an issue with this reunion

@@RB-nl6qv yeah, well sometimes people lie

@@palehorse1111 can’t just go off suspicions without proof tho

@@RB-nl6qv I know, just my anecdotal from friends I knew who became addicts.

@@palehorse1111 did your friends win grammys and start families while traveling the world with their talents? ha

Could he have demanded abstinence from drugs and they refused?

@@Metal_Horror No clue.

@@Metal_Horror look at cedric and omar's history. Omar has been clean since mid 00s' and Cedric got sober before Atdi reunion

Surely didn't help

it takes me back to when they fired jon theodore and many years later regretted it and realized they were being immature. seeing how jim here is being a class act, maybe one day they might come to the realization that they might have been immature with jim too.

I loved reading this. Thanks for sharing.

Sounds like it's as simple as he doesn't get along with Cedric and or omar

They told him couldn't co-write any of the new album, they demoted him to the privilege of being their auxiliary bitch guitar if wanted in on the tour.

@@palehorse1111 That’s awful if that’s the case.

Honestly the very last ep was fire jim just over it either way Its not sleepercar😂

Cedric and Omar are At the Drive-In. Jim, Paul, and Tony were great players in their own right, but they don't have that level of other worldly creativity of Cedric and Omar. Seriously, take those two out of the picture, and what are you left with? Sparta. Even though I would stick up for some of Sparta's cuts, it's obvious people care a lot less about them, in comparison to ATD-I or even Volta.

@@claustrophobe2222 Otherworldly creativity, sure, but to say At the Drive-In was Omar's band is insulting to Jim. At the Drive-In was Cedric and Jim's band, when Cedric and Jim originally couldn't work together anymore they split. Then by the time they re-united history was re-written to say it was Cedric and **Omar's** band (not to mention their egos) so they saw Jim as disposable. Omar wasn't even in the band for the first 2 years of it. He a bass player with minimal creative on my personal favorite ATDI album. Think about it, if they just told the public "we're going for a more post hardcore, throwback sound" Interalia could literally have been a MV album and nobody would have blinked since they really have no genre. It would have been different, yes, but that would have just been MV being MV. I like MV and I like Omar, he's probably objectively the best musician who played in ATDI.. but ATDI was Jim and Cedric's band. Period.

Yea, but he left for alittle bit there... I'm pretty sure he didn't play on acrobatic tenement

@@johnnyscifi uh yes he did. He wrote most of the material and you can hear him sing back up especially on Starslight

@@johnnyscifi He didn't play on El Gran Orgo but he did on everything else up until 2016

He may have started it, but Cedric is the only one who was at every show, before the 1st breakup

That was awesome and it didn't appear on the album. I've only ever heard on Twitter and they never released it.

Anyone have a link to that song?

​@@ADGOyes please

Whats it called ???

@@blackspring3207 don’t know it was a small clip but it had the Arc Arsenal relationship of command style sound

Probably some of it.

Hes never reduced himself to trash talking. He's not about to start either...:)

@@johnnyscifi i mean he already kind of is, just very passive aggressively and then trying to be real polite about it afterward

That's a good guess. He said he was the only one on a different page, that he couldn't do what they were doing physically or mentally. But he says he got dropped. Could they have dropped him because he demanded abstinence?

Duh

An absolute monster of an album. Depressing, nihilistic, hateful, angry, disturbing etc. I'm still waiting for this to be released on vinyl. Last I heard was it was getting a triple vinyl release.

Cause he’s basically not really saying anything

@@gtube1477 He sounds like there are hard feelings, but he's doing what he can to avoid making it personal, taking responsibility where it's due, and is accepting it.

Matt writes the lyrics

Lord of the rings🤣💀

​@xdarkdaysx oh god, let me have my fun , i beg you

​@@RUclipsissokewlI actually did sneak LOTR inspired lyrics into TWBIT ;) It's true that Matt Fox has always been the main lyricist. But, on TWBIT we very much took a collective approach to lyrics writing. Everyone in the band contributed ideas and lyrics with MF functioning as main lyricist, editor. But, I contributed a decent amount of lyrics as well as a lot of music to that album.

@@michaelvieregge2257 LOTR inspired lyrics FTW

Why not? Saw them in 2016 with Keely and it ruled.

Meh, it was actually really good. Don’t use this as an excuse to hate on it. You’ve never made a record that good. Guarantee it.

I’m taking the middle ground and saying it was good, but not great. It had some good stuff on it but some tracks were undercooked. Tbh though, even if Jim had been in the band they would still have struggled to create anything that stepped out of the shadow of Relationship.

@@mattd1659 It was mediocre at best. A band like Atdi only works in their 20s. The production for inter alia by Omar wasn’t as good as Ross Robinson either. And frustrating enough he hated Robinsons production.

@@mojopin1997 Agree with you about the production. As much as they seemed to hate it at the time, the production really elevates RoC, and yeah, Inter did need some beefing up in places.

@@mattd1659 I do like the lead single governed by contaigons. However the vocals were poor on inter alia. . I don’t like Cedric’s singing voice anymore and it’s sad that everyone thinks the Mars Volta are more superior now and Atdi have been forgotten. Nothing Cedric or Omar ever do will better relationship of command and it’s excellent b sides.