The Unfair Treatment of Ochako Uraraka
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2023
- Ochako Uraraka is often regarded as wasted potential, or a ruined character after he moments in Season 2 and beyond. What specifically led to this? Let's briefly talk about the history of shonen, My Hero Academia, and the two characters she is deeply connected to, Midoriya and Toga.
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At the beginning of the series I actually thought Deku, Ochako and Tenya would be a golden trio and explore this world of adventures. Boy was I wrong. The way she was sidelined doesn't even allow toxic shipping. She should have faced Stain and All for one also. She was only good for toga's side plot
They would of been perfected
I’m fine with shoto
But bakugou? For real?
Bakugou literally forced himself in
@@staydetermined6717Exactly. Idc about bakugo in the slightest
Atom Eve from Invincible has some similarities to Uraraka but she's actually a good character that gets screentime
This was my exact thought too, especially since Deku, Iida, and her had the three staple superpowers: super strength, super speed, and flight. I know her power "flight" but it's honestly way cooler and the implications of it aren't even explored very well.
@@notimportant0000to be fair i dont see that happening, iida is a better reason to face stain because stain does not only goes after heroes that want money but also after heroes that do things for fame or in iida's case revenge and i dont think that stain would have a problem with uraraka because the reason for uraraka to want money to make her parents life easier and have a happy life is something that a hero would do and she also wants to save and make people smile like Deku its not just for the first thing, so i literally dont see uraraka with Stain happening
Could you imagine if during the final arc her fight with Toga was better written than every other fight besides Shoto’s? That would be crazy
Could you imagine if Horikoshi just didn't rush act 3 towards the war? It's crazy to think that Nagant was first meant to have an entire volume for her.
@@MarianaBello-fq3hxhe wouldn't have needed to rush his story if he didn't focus on immense amounts of exposition throughout his story
I'm not suprised people missed the point of her character. I think the biggest detriment to her was Hori's lack of time management with his cast. Early on, nearly everytime she was on screen she was crushing on Deku so people likely thought her original goal was getting sidelined for the same old trope. Then the Overhaul arc greatly misused her time and her development became relegated to moments instead of being a constant. That's why people had trouble making that link between her making money for her family and supressing her feelings for Deku. Whenever your character is on screen, your audience is waiting for reasons to get invested in them. So you you have to make use of that time and develop them in some noticeable way or else they may fall off for most people. Shigaraki is an example of this done right as you can point to any scene he is in (or sometimes NOT in) as development for his character, Hori made that time matter. That's just what I think tho.
It’s not so much y that but more so like you said, lack of time and buildup for her. And considering how her fight ended from what I heard, it’s just even more jarring
There are people on twitter actually defending characters like Sakura Haruno so I'm not surprised that bad anime criticism is on the rise.
@@kap1618 you do know she and fans even back when Naruto was on going right?
The first war didn't help her either, Meanwhile the 1A class tried to stop the most dangerous villians at that moment, Uraraka only fought against Toga for a Keychain
@@fernandoguillen5996Your comment is just another example of intentionally missing the point. They weren't fighting for a keychain.
Deku was able to get into UA due to Ochako, and return to UA due to Ochako.
4:05 I think the major difference between Bakugo and Shoto's development being largely centered or contributed by Deku vs how Ochaco is done has to do with one word: Consistency. Though the two guys developments are flawed in many many MANY ways, they nonetheless get utilized in more consistently interesting ways that adds to the characters and fundamental themes of the story. Whereas with Ochaco, it happens only a fraction of that time (which paired with her considerably smaller screen time and story relevance can make things much more aggravating). This is on top of the fact that some very important aspects of her character don't get fleshed out very much or are given opportunities to be affected by the main plot until near the end of the story currently. A good example is her whole "Who helps the heroes?" stuff she went on about that only became relevant in like... season 6. Over 2 seasons after making her proclamations. I do agree that there is a double standard and that the conflict between Toga and Ochaco are much more far reaching then simply wanting to ride the Deku Tree. But on Ochaco's end, I can imagine it feeling far less earned in the eyes of many who watch the series.
"they are nonetheless get utilized in more consistently interesting ways that adds to the characters and fundamental themes of the story."
No they fucking don't hell Bakugou generally contributes way less in comparison unlike Ochako his character revolves solely around Deku because he has nothing to do otherwise and people have stated that Shoto's plotline got completely mogged by Endeavor.
@@ChocolateBar999 I don't completely agree with peoples statements about Endeavor and Shoto. I see where they are coming from but I don't agree with that.
But Bakugo's development isn't just about Deku, its been consistently about being a much more mindful hero and person. He makes mistakes, interacts with other characters in ways that add to his development and contributes to the main story consistently. And even IF we argue that Bakugou's whole character does completely revolve around Deku, I think most would agree that Bakugou's development in that area was told and done in a much more narratively compelling fashion. Which is a little unfair given his status as a rival but thems the breaks lol
Let’s just hope whatever comes after my hero academia
Does things differently with their female characters and NOT let history repeat
One of the misopportunities of the series was questiontioning Stain Ideology.
Something that didn't help Ochaco was that we got used to the signs a female character will be set to the side.
Todoroki mentions deku in his Development: ✅
Bakugo mentions deku in his development: ✅
Endeavor mentions deku in his development: ✅
Uraraka thinks about deku for one panel: ❌
*All Might, Gentle, and Nagant have entered that chat*
Did someone say "Deku"?
@@brandonadrien3476 fr, this list goes on for how many people he's influenced like Iida and Aoyama rn but everyone here probably understands the hypocrisy
kirishima, iida, mineta, tokoyami, aoyama, mirio and eri, deku's shoes and mask and shigaraki:
*DEKU??? WHERE HE AT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Except it's way more than one panel and after a certain point it statistically becomes a bigger percent of her overall appearances. I like Ochako but she was done dirty.
This take is dumb, first off the other characters mention Deku as a foot note in their development. Ochako made Deku her entire bein and not just one panel to the point that she can't exist now without the presence of Deku being in the picture.
Domain expansion
Da honey bun man
Its unfortunate that, unless you really paid attention early on specifically to Ochako, a lot of her character moments only become clear after MVA. That recontextualization with Toga's suppression is crucial for understanding moment's like FT and PLE, but people have either written her off already and dont care anymore or are still just unable to get it.
Great video 🤠
The sad thing ia whenever she did get spotlight she was always a interesting character but always was stuck in the shadows.
What gets to me is her final fight she gets a awesome new quirk evolution and proceeds to still lose the fight
She got through to toga so I think that’s a win
I mean, it's a bit of a tradition that MHA characters lose the fight but win the psychological aspect of it
Like Deku losing against Shoto on the sports festival but managing to make him use his fire or Shigaraki being constantly foiled but still winning because the public opinion on heroes wavers slowly, like in season 3 on the camp attack where Shigaraki explicitly says that it doesnt matter if they lose because the fact that it happened is still a loss for the heroes
A lot of it comes from how MHA kinda makes it's characters out to be WAY more important than they actually are. This applies to many characters, but gets more noticeable for people with Ochako because the series sorta tried to have her be the female lead of the story, much like Sakura in Naruto (although not quite to the same extent). Ida was also set up as a more important character like her, but was important for longer, so that lead people to have an even more unfavorable opinion of her in comparison. Of course part of it is just the fact that, unfortunately, like most shonen, MHA treats it's female cast with less respect, and much of the criticism toward the general female cast treatment will inevitably fall on Ochaco, whether warranted or not, as she is the most prominent female character in the series.
The issue seems to come from a lack of planning on hori’s part. Nothing about him points to him believing mha was gonna go as long as it did.
I feel like generally it makes sense to structure the main cast based around the world and ideas for them to represent that speak to the series core themes
Rwby while not good, does this in possibly the best way possible. All 4 heroines represent the 4 pillars of their societies entire world and act as a guide to introduce us to them
Ruby- the huntsmen that hunt the monsters of their world
weiss, the dust industry that makes magic
Blake- the race of fauna’s (animal people) in their world
And Yang and her background in the darker crime ridden underbelly of the world they live in
Avatar did this with its main team etc
Ideally hori with hindsight would’ve just kept the focus ping ponging solely between deku, shiggy, uraraka and todoroki.
They pretty much cover all the main aspects of hero society that bleed into each other well.
I only leave out bakugo because he just ties into deku and doesn’t really do much on his own to contribute to representing some big pillar of mha’s world or themes.
But the series moreso goes through weird inconsister cycles where someone can be the main character for an arc or even quite a few in a row and then disappear unceremoniously like deku and shigaraki do
@@theradionicrevival8068 eh, rwby isn't really the best example considering how it handles those respective topics. Also I doubt uraraka and Ida were ever intended to be main characters to horokoshi.
@@theradionicrevival8068 Bakugo contributes to the theme of how society treats people with or without power. While Deku is laughed at for his dream of being a hero with no quirk, Bakugo is lauded for his amazing quirk which leads to him getting the wrong idea, feeling entitled to become a hero because of his power. "All men are not created equal" is what starts the series and Bakugo puts this on full display.
I just think the gunhead martial arts shoulda been used to give her more hand to hand I know she uses it for takedowns but woulda been cool to see her do more strikes and stuff
So I guess nobody remembers Ochaco easily being the MVP of match 5 of the Joint Training in which she helped Deku when his new quirk manifested, beat 3 of the 5 opponents by herself and developed further her ideology of wanting to save heroes that started with Nighteye.
No one remembers her few feats no matter how impressive they are because they're rare moments compared to the dozens of times her character does nothing but fangirl over Deku. Defeating enemies means nothing if you lack depth outside of having a crush.
@@sapphicwriterOchako is much more than just the mc’s romantic interest tho. She has her own backstory, her own motivations, her own ideology, her own narrative foil, her own internal conflict, her own power progression, and her crush on Izuku speak to her themes and her ideology as a whole. I agree that she was underutilized but the same can be said for like 80% of the cast. MHA just has way too many interest characters and you can’t develop them all. Ochako is still on the top half of class 1A in terms of development, despite still not being perfect (imo the only side character who was perfectly handled by the story is Kirishima, this guy actually got a whole arc that goes full circle. Other than him almost all side characters were underutilized in some sense.)
I’ve found it a bit odd how recently people with shit on Ochako for her crush and distributing stereotypically feminine traits as if that inherently makes her a bad or not well written character but will gas say Nobara from jjk.
I love nobara but I think from a objective standpoint she is far less interesting and is given FAR less to do in the plot. Even compared to Ochako (which you already stated Ochako can get shafted HARD).
I feel nobara is held to this different standard of “of course she’s better written” just bc her arc (it’s hard to really think of much of a overarching arc she has had so for) doesn’t include a dude. Which is fine and I’d like more female characters to be able to do that but I feels like that’s the only thing carrying her for people in their minds.
I just feel it’s a weird double standard. But I must admit I can understand where this idea comes from animanga but especially shounen women are given next to NOTHING for development and characterisation especially in comparison to the male leads
While the bar has been low for years I feel like Hori did a good job overall with Ochako, having an actual impact on the plot and her own villain is much better than the treatment most have received.
She wasn't killed, kidnapped, or injured for the MC's "development" or rage moment and I appreciate that.
Yeah not to mention, that some will say that Ochaco didn't get character growth, to me she really felt like she's matured in the last season.
I feel like that's a really low bar to have.
Ironically the person who was killed, kidnapped and injured for the MC's development was Bakugou... Uraraka has her own personal villain and she wasn't constantly propped to be MC's love interest all the time, so good for her.
@@wombat4583 I suggest you read a Tumblr that I found based on Ochaco's character arc so she is well written, but still underutilized.
@@Moda-pf8wt Yeah, honestly Ochaco is alot better written than Kanao, she improved on herself more and matured. Her new hero costume proves that :) while we only got to see Kanao fight until the final arc and she's just underdeveloped and was just written to be Tanjiro's love interest 🙄
The problem of ochaco not being relevant is a problem with MHA as a whole. There are too many characters to be able to develop them all at the same time. The sports festival was ochaco and todoroki’s time to shine, in the same way that overhaul was kirishima and mirio’s time to shine. Ochaco hasn’t gotten another chance to shine, but neither has kirishima. Arguing that ochaco’s character is ruined because she doesn’t do anything means that kirishima’s character is also ruined, yet he gets a pass because he’s not the girl with a crush on deku.
Solid point
I absolutely love Ochako. She's one of my favorite characters and I think she's great. She has so much potential and could do so many amazing things. My issue with her, or rather the way Horikoshi writes her, is that Horikoshi does not know how to utilize her character when it matters to selling his main ship. He writes the friendships between the boys, for example between Izuku and Shouto, in a way that gives them both interaction and intimate moments where their lives are CHANGED. Shouto thinks about Izuku changing his world view constantly. He lives in his brain rent free. And we get to see the development and interaction between them and it is so organic. If Horikoshi wants for his audience to root for Ochako as the love interest, I think he should have written her in a similar way to how he wrote the friendships the boys have to Izuku. Instead, in my opinion, it felt like she kind of stayed away from him, she was sidelined, she was placed in situations that didn't allow her to shine. She could have done a lot during the Overhaul fight to save Eri, but Horikoshi had her, Tsu, and Nejire get their vitality drained by one of the Hasaikai members. She helped towards the end, which was good, but imagine if she could have had the chance to go fight alongside Izuku? Or even more simply, give the moment between Shouto and Izuku where he tells Izuku it's okay for heroes to cry sometimes, when Izuku is so stressed out about the raid that he can't contain himself and cries during lunch. He couldn't talk about it because it was top secret, but you can't tell me he couldn't at least rely on his teammates (Tsu, Ochako, Kirishima, the big 3) to lend him a shoulder to cry on. This could have been a very intimate and sweet moment for Izuku and Ochako if he had shown vulnerability in front of her, rather than crying with Iida and Shouto. And he isn't afraid to cry in front of her, he's done it before. Horikoshi could have had Ochako think about Izuku saving her during their entrance exam. That's OKAY. Shouto thinks about Izuku telling him it's his quirk, not his dad's, ALL THE TIME, literally there are like 3 or 4 times during the manga where he thinks about it. Shouto THINKS about Izuku making an IMPACT on him. That's so POWERFUL. Izuku is Shouto's HERO. That's HUGE. Izuku could have been Ochako's hero, too!!!! I am begging Horikoshi to connect the dots. I am asking for good writing of a main couple we as an audience are supposed to want. I love Izuku and Ochako, I love their friendship, they work amazing as best friends and have awesome teammwork. Horikoshi needed to keep that going with her to make the love interest aspect more convincing and enjoyable. Instead, after giving this incredibly moving speech to the people staying at UA and begging them to allow Izuku to stay because it was his hero academia, she went to sleep. LITERALLY WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? EVERYONE was tired!!! Not just her!!! Instead of her wrapping a blanket around Izuku, who did it? Shouto Todoroki. Another small, intimate moment that could have been Izuku's and Ochako's was not given to them. It was given to Shouto. It was like a little detail. Wrap a blanket around the tired boy who just came home and bathed and he is falling asleep. Shouto is out here concerned for him, too. He's tired, he's hanging on. He got a blanket just for Izuku and placed it on him to keep him warm. Why can't Ochako have these scenes? They make such a BIG difference. I just want a well written main couple that convinces me that they are good end game. Instead, we get half baked ship where they haven't interacted much, Ochako gets sidelined all the time, she has called Toga the cutest girl in the world, and she doesn't get the opportunities to have quiet sweet moments with her love interest. It SUCKS. I wish the ship was better written. I truly want for Ochako to have good moments, which she does have, but she doesn't have them when it comes to the love interest department. I still SMH at her going to sleep instead of being with Izuku like the rest of the class. What was Horikoshi thinking? I just want good writing, it's not much to ask but it is a lot to ask for. I think Ochako deserves better, she deserves her own origin storyline the way Shouto, Bakugou, and Shigaraki got theirs. She just deserves so so much better.
Well said
Bro WTF, no I’m not reading that. Resume that in less than 20 words man 😭
@@jaydengraham4107 Basically, Horokoshi needs to work on writing romance. Deku get more intimate moments with Shota than Ochako. Ohcako gets sidelined a lot as well.
@@armorbearer9702 oh kk. True
@@armorbearer9702 btw thx for rephrasing that I usually won’t like reading things that are too long unless it’s school
Honestly im so annoyed that it seems like you can't make a female character fall in love with the MC anymore without someone saying it ruined her character
That wasn’t the issue so much as the execution of it that felt really off
@@jeffali5157 I disagree, Ochako's crush was really interesting to me because of the fact it came from the fact she admired Izuku but didn't want to distract him so she tried to push down those feelings. It was actually a good reason for her not to confess unlike 90% of anime.
@@TieberiusVoidWalker I get that and all but I disagree cause even then she still fights those feelings for a while and still blushes at times as well. And Considering how there are some couples in heroes that made it work, I doubt it would’ve distracted the both of them. If anything if done properly, they would strive to push themselves even further, THAT would be interesting to see their relationship development done so much better.
@@jeffali5157 oh I agree, I would have preferred it like that too. Honestly I just took it as her being a dumb teen but it was still annoying. I just don't think that it's as bad as so many people say
@@TieberiusVoidWalker yeah, she had a lot of issues, but she’s definitely not THAT bad.
Very much needed video. There are definitely issues with how Horikoshi has written his women characters (including Ochako), but unless a certain character goes through with a certain thing in the manga she will be one of the few characters that has NOT been ruined by Act 3. Her character arc, though pretty sporadic in the first two acts, is remarkably consistent and she reaches arguably a better conclusion than Izuku reaches (both heroes and villains, herself included, are people). I would have loved a raw af fight from her, tho.
I personally don’t see what’s wrong with the female characters of MHA, as they’re shown to be their own characters while showing them interact and collaborate together with the male characters in positive synergy without one trying to outshine the other just out of toxic sexism, something that has become way too prevalent in mainstream media, especially kids media, in the U.S. within the past several years in which practically everything seems to feminist driven nowadays.
@@johnnyd3158 I mean there are several videos covering the issues with female characters in MHA, and even this videos briefly touches on some of those points.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yet this person doesn't make any valid points, since he must be blind if he thinks that the female characters of MHA are putrid, such as the Class 1A girls.
@@johnnyd3158 if you mean the creator for his video, he actually had overall positive opinion of the girls in the series.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Well, I’m not saying they’re flawless of course, but it’s just really telling when a majority of the MHA fandom constantly state in claiming that Toga and Eri are apparently the only good female characters in MHA.
Uraraka’s development was shown from her initial well intended but kinda selfish goal as a hero, to being inspired by Deku in changing her perspective on what it means to be a true hero, while naturally developing feelings for him, just as he was kinda nervous around her as well at first, as there’s nothing inhuman about naturally developing feelings for the opposite sex as it’s human nature. It came to a point where she decided that she would put her feelings for Deku aside to focus on her goals during the provisional licensing exam arc, as we then saw her resolve as a hero being put to the test in rescuing people during the shie hassaikai and liberation war arc, to then becoming Deku’s hero when convincing the citizens to allow for Deku to recover at U.A., and now to where the manga is currently at with her saving Toga and finally coming to terms with her feelings for Deku by confessing her love for him to herself. If that’s not stunning character development, then I don’t know what is.
I agree with you, that's definitely character development right there.
That is not character development, that is development as a love interest lmao notice how even when the character puts aside her feelings it still has be shown her doing it instead of her doing what needs to be done as a hero and once and a while remembering her crush, while Deku only remembers his liking of Uraraka once or twice every couple arcs.
@@sapphicwriter So what you’re saying is that it’s inhuman for humans, especially females, to actually be human, in having crushes and experiencing love, as though that’s such a bad thing. Since that’s a very toxic way of thinking. As for all I know, you’re probably a yaoi/yuri shipper.
If you actually watch the series, Uraraka said that she would put aside her feelings for Deku, not that she would get rid of them entirely. So of course she’s still going to react blushing and flustered when someone like Mina brings up Deku in relation to Uraraka’s feelings for him, as that’s how any girl in real life would react in Uraraka’s position. As between the shie hassaikai and liberation war arcs, Uraraka was fully driven in her role as a hero, as well as being Deku’s hero in the final war arc in saving him from the hatred of the people.
As for Deku, he was initially depicted as to being nervous around all girls, not just Uraraka, since he was pretty much a social friendless outcast since he was five years old in which he likely had never been around a girl until he attended UA. As the more time he spent with Uraraka, the other girls in his class, and Hatsume’s breasts, the less nervous he was around them, especially Uraraka. But with everything that he has been through in the series, I’m pretty sure that girls are the last thing that were on his mind as he was fighting Shigaraki in the liberation war arc aside from being driven to protecting them along with other friends and loved ones.
@@johnnyd3158 what you're describing is more basic character development rather than anything particularly stunning. It would be notable if she wasn't an overtly kind hearted person from the start.
@@fightingmedialounge519 So being nice and kind is considered a human flaw?
Thanks for making a great video about Ochaco!
In my opinion I've always thought that MHA's Ochaco Uraraka is better written than KNY's Kanao Tsuyuri.
Ochaco gets better treatment from Hori and we at least get to see her improve and gets more focus in last seasons and while Kanao gets none of that, she just gets shafted so hard until the end of the story.
Also, Ochaco's development doesn't feel like it's rushed, it felt like she's matured unlike Kanao's development, which could've been handled much more better, tbh
absolutely lost my shit at censoring Tsuyu's name, 10/10 video
Never thought about the suppression of ochokos feelings angle as a connection to toga I always thought that there really wasnt a connection that ochako had to her villain like deku or toderoki. I relegated her to just being the classic female lead that gets left behind with her only having her 2 big moments of sports festival and speech during villain hunt even if this argument does still kinda stand because as far the the anime goes those have only really been her to moments for a character who was initially part of the main trio its cool that this was another part of her character that exists
Well it also the love conflict that connect both toga got use to her own ideology of love and ochako has her ideology of love and they clash in the manga
Hey how about a quick mha theory: back in the stain arc stain might have had a quirk awakening. We know that to awen a quirk you need intense emotion and/or a life threatening battle. He just had a great battle with shoto, iida and deku (his rib was pearcing his lung) and then he did something new to his code (save a hero he found worthy, namely deku) and came face to face with the hero he possibly hates most - endeavor. He also tasted blood from a nomu which has a ton of different quirks inside it. He then yelled and induced parlisis in a buch of people (just like urarakas awakening, extending the quirk). The series says its him being scary, but endeavor should not be scared and deku iida todoroki just beat his ass. I find this a nice explanation.
Sorry for the shitty grammar. I wrote this while in a hurry.
That's... actually good.
ohhhhb excellent video!!!!!!!!!!! tbh she's one of my favorites and it hurts my heart every time a video uses her as a symbol for badly written female characters in manga. I do accept their points, since ever since the sports festival every single big character moment she had was related to Midoriya in one way or another but as you states, it's true for 90% of the other characters too. Her crush is adorable and healthy and she deserves to be explored and appreciated more by the fandom. I guess that the problem is that it she pays so much of her time and energy to someone who...doesn't seem to return the favor. Sure, he's the protagonist so obviously he would have a lot more going on than a supporting character but you see him so invested in someone like Bakugou who spent most of his life tormenting him. You see him 'moving on' from his initial trio of himself. Uraraka and Iida to Todoroki and Bakugou. I know that he still appreciates and loves them but compare the time he spends with each. When a character only gets explorred through their relationship with the protagonist, even if it's utilized so creatively like with the case of Uraraka, it makes their development also dependent on them, and since Midoriya prioritizes other characters, the story prioritizes other characters too.
Uraraka's small moments are powerful but they're only meaningful to those who pay attention. To those who are deliberately invested in her as a character and in her arc. A lot of the small relazations you mentioned that led to her bigger moments were like hints of moments that those who don't care would simply forget about.
So I guess that I agree with you a lot, while Horikoshi could have done a better job with giving her more attention, the things that were done about her were actually pretty good if you stop and think about them, but a lot of the fans just don't in a way that can be considered sexist like what they claim to criticize.
But also, a lot of her biggest moments are fairly recent, while some of the videos tearing into her are quite old. It was like, sports festival>crush>small moments here and there that were mostly about said crush for like four seasons>big meaningful moments that are also related to said crush but are a payoff of all the small moments and develop her character really well.
Regardless, I really appreciate your video since as I said, she's one of my favorites and every time something good happens to her or is said about her I'm happy ^^
a lot of the videos who talk about her just go "she could have been great but they reduced her to a love interest after season two" so to hear someone saying something different is great!
Take a note, people, this is how you write a good take!
It's always great to see one of your videos in the recommended
U speak facts and only facts I applaud u 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, my hero academia could of REALLY benefited from filler arcs
Like instead of the timeskip after the usj, it’s izuku bonding with a different classmate out of those 3 days
Well here is the issue with all that. This is a classic case of people getting exactly what they asked for and then complaining about it (Not you but people in general) see the fandom had this bad habit of complaining when Hori would do wind-down arcs, you know those arcs where they'd just do normal kid stuff more or less so Hori stopped doing them after the culture festival and it was said he did this directly in response to the fans constantly complaining whenever he did these arcs now that kind of stuff is relegated to his side mangas like Team Up and School Briefs. There was also the issue that his original editor essentially made him rush through the story as Hori expressed that originally he wanted to go through all three of their years of high school with things only hitting the fan towards the end of their third year, but we see how that turned out and even though he has a much better editor who lets him do what he wants now the damage had already been done, the final arc had started and the best he could do was extend it. Hori also said he wanted to do a Naruto-style time skip to when they were all adults and pro-heroes to tackle the darker side of hero society but we'll see how that goes.
In the end, this is in large part other than his old editor the fault of people who complained, got what they asked for, and are now upset they aren't getting what the author originally intended now that they realize it is what they wanted and they snubbed it but will not acknowledge that what they are getting now is exactly what they asked for.
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Oh damn really, then again I shouldn’t really be that surprised tbh
@@staydetermined6717 I see this a lot in fandom, I mostly see it in the gaming community but still. The fans will complain, ask for something, and then when they realize it's not what they wanted they complain at the creators like they did this all on their own and not because they asked for it. I read team-up and school briefs and think "This could have been in the show" but I know why it's not. All I can hope for is that MHA gets the Demon Slayer or AOT treatment where they get a side show that features School Briefs and Team Up material. Heck I wouldn't mind MHA getting another show FMAB style that follows Hori's original vision but only time will tell.
@@aluralovell6829 Yeah, I remember peoples were saying in Pokemon Gen 7 trailers that Pokemon revealed too much, now look at SV, they did not reveal almost anything and now same peoples are still complaining.
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The thought that showing emotions is somehow a feminine trait would automatically mean Deku & Bakugou are women I guess
That's not how that works unless you are making fun of gender stereotypes then I agree
I think my biggest issue with Uraraka is actually my issue with the trio of her, Ida, and Deku. They completely lost focus on those characters and while they are more important then a lot of 1-A they aren't as important as the main character's friends should be. Her and Ida had so much potential and it is sad to see it wasted.
Characters like Ochaco and Noelle (Black Clover) should be the bare minimum for female characters in Shounen. After Sakura (Naruto) and Orihime (Bleach) set the bar so low.
Sakura I can kinda understand, but I don’t get how Orihime is a bad character just because she isn’t more physically active like Rukia, since that’s most of the complaints that I’ve heard regarding the character, even though they’re two completely different characters, in which one is a swordsmen warrior ghost, while the other is just a normal human being that’s got pulled into the conflict of the protagonist along with a couple of other characters.
As everyone has their own personal strengths, in which Orihime had her own strengths of a character, since she was the perfect foil for Ichigo in reaching out past his hardened exterior through her pure kind soul, as it made it all the more fitting for them to be endgame by the end of the series.
Noelle yes. Uraraka no
Saying shoto and all might are centered around midoriya is a bit disingenuous considering the former has a major storyline that doesn't involve midoriya as a talking point, and the latter sees midoriya having his storyline centered around the whole all for one vs one for all. Not helping matters is that the conclusion she comes to when it comes to the villains is nearly identical to the view midoriya was coming to.
Except that's wrong dumbass her conclusion is different from Deku's infact she winds up inspiring him with her words when they talk about what to do with their respective villians.
I feel like the author purposefully sidelined her to be a character simply crushing on the main guy
The amount of side lining with characters in bnha is actually WILD to me. Uraraka is a victim
Kinda bizarre how true this is.
Not that it’s wrong, but I can sorta understand the sentiment about Ochacco and Midoriya compared to other characters.
It took characters who were jerks (Todo and Bakugo) and made them into better people.
Or served as a starter point for becoming a true hero in the case of Kirishima/Lida.
The story presented for Uraraka was already pretty solid, so having the love interest from her can be seen as possibly out of no where compared to the other characters.
Still a solid vid.
Ochako on the first drafts had a different quirk. But the author said it was too cool of a quirk for a female character.
So sad that her conclusion is a baby factory😢
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nigga WHAT
So the Manga is already finished?
Let's be honest during the Stain fight it should have been Ochaco instead of Shoto to help Izuku and Tenya.
Or at least she should join the fight.
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You were right to bring up the double standard placed on Ochako. The story and everyone revolve around our main protagonist Deku. That being said, they could let Ochako participate a bit more in fight scenes.
One day everybody will realize these points also apply to Sakura but I'll stay silent for now
wonderful vid, when do we get chap reactions again? when deku v shiggy starts or something?
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This is exactly what I’ve been thinking and why i was so confused why people hated her and said she had no personality, although maybe that’s because i kinda related to the her
I see your points and agree that people miss important elements of her character that push her forward but I don't think she was underutilized that much because I could argue that Iida and other characters didn't contribute much in certain arcs but that mostly comes down to what the arcs focus is on such as the Stain arc being about Iida wanting revenge or the Overhaul arc where the focus was mainly on Deku and Lemillion which all comes down to storytelling which leaves certain characters on the sideline to focus on the main characters that drive the story.
I will admit there are times where anime can misuse women for the sake of gratuitous fanservice but I would argue that more often than not female characters are able to stand on their own and contribute much to the story both power wise and story wise such as Dragon Ball, Bleach, My Hero Academia, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter, etc.
Probably should remove DragonBall from that list since there was only one notable female fighter in the initial series run.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Android 18, Caulifla, Kale, Pan and there are characters that contribute a great deal who don't fight like Bulma, Vados, and Cheelai.
@@kage1573 most of those characters were created or did anything after the initial series ended( did you miss the term INITIAL SERIES RUN, or do you not know what that means? Genuine question on my part). Bulmas contributions are pretty much restricted to gadget creation. She doesn't go through much in terms of development, and she doesn't do much outside of being the Q of the group. Her main striking point for fans is her personality
@@fightingmedialounge519 Even in the initial run ChiChi helped Goku to get the bansho fan while also training on her own while being able to temporarily keep up with Goku; Bulma is one of the most important characters in the series due to her being the main reason that the series happened while also doing things like making the dragon radar which is pivotal to the series, understanding how to control a namekian ship, creating time travel to save Goku, and is one one the smartest characters in the show and the z fighters would likely not be alive without her, she has had character development like learning to be more willing to help others, becoming more mature, and in the future she develops the desire to hold on to hope which contrasts how she acted growing up.
@@kage1573 pointing out directions isn't much that deserves praise, also she never actually kept up with goku. The minute he actually tried in any capacity she was undisputably outclassed. Being a catalyst isn't really the same as bein a continuous important presence, by your reasoning old man gohan would also be one of the most important characters in the series, and I already acknowledged her helping with her technology. Most of what you listed could have very well been done by other characters (when it comes to the namekian ship Mr popo was the one who understood it and could have taught nearly anyone else). That's not much in terms of development considering everyone she helps is either someone who could help her or who she already cared about before she helped them. The closet you come to her being selfless is letting vegeta stay with her before the whole trunks situation. Her wanting to hold onto hope in a different timeline would only truly contrast her past self if she was a cynic in early DragonBall; which she really wasn't. As I already mentioned she's basically the Q of the series. Clearly helpful to the main characters, but doesn't quite have the same focus as they do. That's not a bad thing, but it's very different from how the other series you listed handled its female characters.
Momo Yaorozu is also well written
And underused, given how OP he quirk is and how she's supposed to be very inteligent.
@@regiman222 eh its shounen
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Ótima vídeo gostei bastante dos pontos que você falou gosto bastante da uraraka acho ela uma personagem bem subestimada
Caralho, outro brasileiro!
@@guto5285 eu vejo bastante os vídeos do asa são muito interessante mas maneiro tendo outro brasileiro vendo o vídeo dele
I been watching and reading MHA since so long ago and i never understand why people think that uraraka having a crush on Deku is a bad idea and how this make her bad, i can say too much things about this but at the end of the day i feel like im just waisting my time since talking and explaining things in internet have never being my thing.
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I need more MHA content MAN!!!
Deku’s relationship with uraraka vs Deku’s relationships with the other female members of class 1A.
……….Which one is gonna win?
Pretty good video man. Nobody really seems to make MHA videos anymore.
Ya welcome for the vid everyone /j 🤝
I guess it is kinda funny that in the end she wants to take the weight off of other hero's shoulders.
3:05 Could someone please explain to me why people don't like Tsu, I mean Froppy-Chan?
Uh… Wow.
That was good.
That was really good.
I know we haven’t talked in a long time but I just want to say that I’m impressed with your work.
I wish you all the success in the world.
my problem with her is not the fact she has a crush on deku but the fact she is so weak but her ability is so strong she literally has gravity as her ability for fucks sake toga literally used her ability and killed a lot of people they have written her has a weak character when she has so much potential she has potential to be the top powerful character in her class but NO they side lined her so hard to me she is a ruined character she could have been with the main trio considering that she has a strong super hero power
Your missing the point a bit its not about her being centered around the main character
The issue is the overuse of a romantic sub plot /roll.. as a female support... All might is centered around deku..
But all might is a central storytelling reference point.. so that is a relatively fresh protagonist interaction
Todoroki has family issues and is built around deku to deal with said emotional issues again as we can see a more uncommon protagonist character interaction
Lastly Lida has issues with revenge and that is a more common protagonist interaction in the genre
But none of these come close to the copy and paste romance interaction with ocho
@@viyusavery248 THANK YOU. So many people who complain when female characters like Ochako get criticized always seem to not realize that there's a major difference of a character centered around another because of a detailed backstory, motivation and role such as Itachi with Sasuke and a character centered around another as a love interest who has nothing else to their character like Uraraka.
It’s only the toxic yaoi fan girls that are ranting on Uraraka.
Honestly I’ve always been a bit disappointed with Ochako after season 2. I think she’s still a good character the “arc” she’s goin through right now is still good but after how good her season 2 arc was it was just a bit disappointing. Don’t get be wrong I’m a HUGE shipper and I love romance but I’ve always been meh about it. At the moment I claim this to be the best show I’ve ever seen (despite its flaws of course) but I’ll critique it till the day I die. I still like the war arc despite its problems but Ochako is a great heroine in my opinion but even I’m sitting here like ok but can we start something else now? This arc Ochako has had can end now it’s run it’s course it’s done what it’s wanted to do. But they continue to linger on it even though by now we could be on a whole new arc for her. Anyways sorry for the long ass comment I just like discussing the best show I’ve ever seen with other people. It’s always nice to see why some people like an arc why some don’t and why others saw it’s meh. Great Video ✌
Yea but any of what she does isn’t that’s same with the other females in the show don’t have that much impact in the story.
What the fuck was 0:50
Ochako was never the main female character. Momo is. Without her everyone would have died several times over. Not to mention in the latest chapter SHE is there behind Deku aganist AFO in the last battle.
TLDR: swapping Uraraka’s backstory, place in the narrative, and importance with Tsuyu improves the narrative almost instantly.
Uraraka really damaged the story by just existing, first her quirk is inconsistent, weak, and lame so the entire story has to bend so she can do anything, the reason why toga has to use knives and acrobat magic when most of the league (not spinner) can make armies, destroy cities, nuke the countryside, and put you in a pocket dimension forever with a touch is because she has to lose to a girl with 2 months worth of self-defense training (something that probably should be part of the curriculum of a SUPERHERO HIGH-SCHOOL, but was removed to be added to Uraraka as DLC) meanwhile Tsuyu has a quirk closer in power level to the boys (when 1-A girl quirks are concerned) with many novel abilities from the myriad of frogs in the world as opposed to how will Uraraka hit them with a heavy object or drop them from high up this time, maybe toga will be able to use a gear-2esk amp by ingesting her own blood if she is not shackled to street tier.
Secondly You know who would have been way better to be Toga’s foil, Tsuyu, which quirk would be most likely to suffer societal rejection small pads on your fingers that can make objects float or being a girl who is part frog (one of the stereotypical “gross” animals), you could even have had Tsuyu show natural frog instincts or reactions and how she worked to control some of the urges of her quirk that were socially bad (such as doing loud ribbits in class and some that she learned to accept (the unusual way she sits) to show toga a path to rehabilitation later learning that Tsuyu only was able because she had loving parents with the same quirk, reinforcing that how you grow up really molds you.
Third, just give Tsuyu Uraraka’s backstory because if Tsuyu is the poor one then you can link it to the mutant discrimination subplot, and now if she dekus love interest she has an arc not related to Deku.
I completely agree. I do still wish her character and the whole female cast was written better or more likely utilized since when they are characterized it’s almost always good. And it’s also true with the male cast. I think why MHA feels so bad for female characters it’s that the story focuses more on men and the female counter parts like Kendo from the big 3 feel under utilized. If it was more even it would be better I think.
I totally agree with you but let's appreciate one thing mha female cast though I agree they should have better written but they are at least better than Demon Slayer female cast since they have less agency.
Ochaco just stands out so much for me as a character than Kanao.
And I do agree her potential could have been better handled but I'm fine with her overall. The way she had so much focus in the last seasons (s5 and s6 and earlier in the series) I'm glad she started to suppress her feelings to focus on getting more stronger. The way Ochaco started to improve on herself and focus on her hero work was just decent development for me, it shows how mature she's grown too. (I hope she gets good moments in the new movie!)
While Kanao, she's a good side character....I feel that she's still underdeveloped because the problem with her character growth is that its so spaced out in the story and she needed more than just small moments of her breaking out of her shell. Even in her fight against Douma, Kanao's defining moment is her cold venomous condemnation of Dōma but there was not enough exposure to her character leading up to this moment. It's all crammed into just a few chapters and that's just it for her.
I really feel like she was also done dirty during the Muzan fight too.
Ochaco and Toga's parallels of suppressed feelings feel much more better written than Kanao and Douma’s parallels about being emotionless.
Ochaco actually grows as a character and is more mature and independent.
While Kanao's character growth just feels too dependent on Tanjiro, that's what bothers me the most about her. It just feels like she's was just there to be the MC's love interest and that's all for her. I'm just hoping for anime original content for Kanao so we could see more of her or....not.
@@genesismunoz6008 I agree with you. I would recommend watching avatar the last air bender, Chainsaw Man, Digimon Tamers for examples of what I want of modern stories where it comes to female characters as a base line at least when it comes to battle Shonen. Tbf all media not just anime or shonen has done female characters below my preference for a long time. Still I hope my examples are varied enough to be understood.
Some of the criticism against her feels like double standards for anime women in general. A male character isn't perfect and people don't bat an eye, a female character has flaws and it becomes a rant on aNiMe fEmaLes. Same with fanservice, male fanservice is okay, but female fanservice is a problem, at that point (which hot, I could care less about as a complaint), why call it fanservice if the fans don't like it
The going from making money to helping people transition isn't as jarring as people making out to be, considering all she's witnessed first hand and been through, after Nighteye's death and the War. I'd think money would be the last thing on your mind
I don’t wanna sound sexist or a pure negative nihilist but…
*Its inevitable… for the rest of our entire humanity’s existence, until the problems we face LITERALLY explode in front of ALL of our faces… Inequality is invincibly inevitable*
To add to your point:
"Inequality will always exist as long as you compare apples and oranges"
Men and women are made different as to complement each others weaknesses not compete
Thanks for tha video, still think she sucks and basically developed into Deku Dickrider #2 but interesting points nonetheless
Ever since that one bath scene somewhere in the earlier seasons I lost respect for MHA. I knew it would all go downhill from there
Anime analysis videos in nutshell: i don't like this thing imo
But I'll still state it as universal opinion and disregard the series contributed