How Shipping Ruined Uraraka
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024
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What other MHA ships should I talk?
Kirishima and Bakugou please!!!!
Bakugou and Kirishima 💯
Tsuyu x Deku
uraraka x bakugou
I find it way more interesting than urakaka x deku
Shirakumo and aizawa erasercloud you need to read mha vigilantees
I still can't believe people disliked her for wanting money for her family. Her motivation is literally for the sake of her family, but somehow people can't see past the first half of her explanation.
I think it’s a really great motivation. It’s distinct, realistic, gives her more depth and (should be) understandable.
Agreed
Even if her family wasn't involved it's not wrong. That's just, like, the normal reason that most people get jobs.
Its also a really good counter to the villains problem with heroes. Like yeah they want to get paid but there isnt anything necessarily wrong with that.
Wait people did?
"Questionable motivation" She was relatable as hell with her motivation.
I liked Uraraka more when I found out she's just in it for the money. Like, being a hero is nice and all but you gotta eat, and have a family to feed if you have any. Uraraka had so much potential.....
But if you're only in it for the money, you're not a hero, you're a super-powered cop or even mercenary.
@@jagnestormskull3178 Lmao cops being in it for the money. Their salary is on average ~$60,000 a year.
Besides the whole moral argument about superheroism being about altruism and self sacrifice, being a hero is not a game and unless you have a healing factor like Deadpool or is invulnerable like Luke Kage you may die at any moment, pretty sure she could have find a way to gain money whitout having to risk her life, like how many people the League of Villains killed?
PS:Stain was right! Many of the "heroes" of My Hero aren't real heroes.
@@Gabe600 Dabi alone killed thirty people off-screen, and so many heroes (since he takes Stain's ideology one step further and believes that true heroes _don't_ exist at all anymore) and petty criminals who should have gone to trial and gotten minor sentences. And then you get to Shigaraki; guy's a psycho!
P.S. It's no coincidence that we're introduced to the idea that "the word hero has lost all meaning" and the character of the Snake Hero, who basically treats herself as a living commodity and doesn't even bother to try fighting crime.
@@jagnestormskull3178 but that was something she acknowledged, even going as far as to feel ashamed to mention why- and was this point used to delve deeper into her character and make some interesting developments over the course of the story ? NO, that's why she had a decent potential bro just didn't really use her set up for much. she got sidelined but hey at least she isn't irritable and annoying as well as sidelined like another pink coded shonen heroine we all know.
I love how the only reason Bakugo won against Uraraka in the tournament arc is because he didn't underestimate her, unlike most of the characters who were watching. He was fully aware of how strong she is and was prepared to fight back. It is a crying shame that Uraraka was diminished to be exactly what people mistakenly thought of her as the series went on.
He literally underestimated her. Imagine fighting someone who can float stuff and somehow never actually thinking about looking up to make sure she not floating something. Bakugo didn't even think of ways to beat her or to pay attention to her movement. The story made Bakugo look stupid as hell (and everybody in the show. I mean why isn't Deku looking up, he analyzes quirks. Dind't he thought about the possibility of Ochako floating something) in order to make Ochako look "smart".
She's still very strong, the problem is not the character but the story which refuses to give her time to shine on her own and even when it does the story focuses on other characters
He fucking hates anyone and fights anyone so I don't think he cares
@@supershow9575 Gotta agree. Honestly her plan was bad too. Her plan makes him MORE aerodynamic! Plan was predictable, with NO exit nor defensive strategy, took Deku confronting Baku to make him understand Ura is capable, the plan still made her feel like a pink Deku due to its flaws, and Baku wound up wasting energy to save their lives from the rocks. :/
Nah the only reason he won was because dumb ass uraraka did that classic anime thing where characters announce their move before doing it. He had no idea what her plan was until she said "thanks for keeping your eyes on me bakugo". That ish pissed me off.
Everyone who isn't Deku, Todoroki or Bakugo are completely sidelined which is wild because at the beginning it looked like everyone in the class was gonna get a fair share of story due to their various backstories, designs and personalities. Iida, Deku and Ochako being our wholesome trio is completely tossed aside because they aren't tragic enough characters and are 'too nice' when more could have been done with Iida trying to live up his family's expectations and protecting their legacy at an extreme degree and Ochako being at such a disadvantage as a poorer member of society making her have to do as they need so she can get even a drop of cash for her family. Once the manga shifted to becoming Keeping up with the Todorokis I completely dropped it.
So just like Naruto and Sasuke and the side characters.
Right, whatever happened to Iida's older brother and his vendetta against Stain? That would be an interesting plot point, if Iida had been sent to find All Might while he was having a conversation with Stain. F--k, that's one of my favorite episodes of season six, and I think I might have ruined it by pointing out that it could have been more interesting if Iida was involved.
@@jagnestormskull3178 Iida's vendetta against Stain honestly wouldn't do much now. Iida tried getting revenge in s2 and ended up getting humbled then beat him with midoriya and todoroki. Then he used the lesson stain taught him in season 5.
If Iida saw stain with almight, most he'd get is hope your bro's doing well
@@DuffyDevil It would still have been an interesting reunion, and a way to complete the circle, as Vader would phrase it.
@@jagnestormskull3178 maybe. I honestly wouldn't mind uraraka herself meeting stain in the main series.
The whole class met him in the smash spinoff series
It's not just Ochako that got screwed over. For example The Big 3. We know about Mirio and Tamaki backstory goals and why they have their Hero name. We don't know anything about Neijre other than she's apart of the big 3, her hero name "Neijre-chan" , and she works with the dragon hero.
But the Big Three weren't advertised as one of the main characters like Ochako was in S1
yeah and the moment in which nejire "shines" (quite literally actually) is a fucking beauty pageant that doesn't really serve anything to the story
In the Overhaul arc they put all the female characters on one team and then skipped the entire fight, we get maybe 3 minutes max. of what was going on on that side of the battle.
@@artangel16 what's worse is "oh I didn't have friends cuz I looked mean,"
Like really that's what we are going with? A literal "you would be prettier if you smiled more" type backstory. It was really terrible and the fact it came so late.
@@jamalhartley5863 Honestly that line and Nejire's shining moment being a contest on her looks feels like a perfect representation of the sexism in shonen.
I've said it years ago and continue to say it again. I'll forever miss Sports Festival Uraraka. Peak of her character, truly earned mine and Bakugou's respect that day.
The manga does her better
@@nashbickford9894 Baku constantly almost dies, the manga gets bad too
Like, did he even really respect her? Sure, he say she’s not frail, but she also believed that her plan was another thing cooked up by Izuku, not Ochaco herself, so can you really say he respects her as another person and not view her as one of Izuku’s worthless friends
I'm sorry, but, how in the hell did you miss the fact that she started out as one of the "false" heroes who only really got into this because of the money? Yeah, she wanted the money to support her family, but she still only cared about the fact that being a hero was a JOB. Something she could do to earn a good living. It's only because of Deku and the events of the first half of season 4 which resulted in the death of Nighteye that she finally realized that being a HERO was not about earning a good living. That's it's not about a paycheck. That it's about fighting for what is right and saving those who need help. Uraraka's admiration for Deku is what inspired her to completely change her understanding of what it means to be a HERO.
@@bernieburton6520 bruh, whyd you just regurgitate the video but made it sound as if it was negative
Honestly, this doesn't bother me that much for one reason: EVERYONE who is not Deku, Bakugou, or Todoroki gets the same treatment. Regardless if they are male or female, they will get their episode to shine and then never be useful again. It's kinda like how in Sonic everyone who isn't the blue hedgehog is completely useless.
Pretty much. I love the characters in MHA, but one of Horikoshi's weaknesses as a writer is that no supporting character has had more time to shine.
Oh that's ridiculous!
Sonic does way more with its side characters than MHA!
@Michael Strong yet every time something bad happens, the biggest powerhouses (Shadow, Silver, Blaze, and Knuckles) are useless. Only Sonic can save the day and I am honestly sick of this!
Dude.....shadow
@Tonys Pizza and Team Dark as s whole (God, I hate you, SEGA mandates!)
her aspirations went from: "i want to help my family" to "deku is doing it so i will do it"
Edit: LOL YES MY PLAN WORKED
Read anything past Season 3?
Ikr 🤕
No it didn't
@@supershow9575Dose the show get better after season 4?
@@infiniteoctopaw In what sense? in general or for Ochako?
I'll admit, as much as I like IzuOcha, I much prefer the fanon interpretations of it over canon. Fanfic writers really go above and beyond when exploring Ochako's character and giving her lots of development, while still HAVING a crush on Deku that doesn't interfere.
Edit: A few of you have asked me to include some of my favorite Ochako-centric IzuOcha fanfics so I'll put them here:
"Drops of Jupiter" by SingingCookie
"Missing" by Encyclopika
"The Emerald Ghost" by MHA Fics by LK (LK713)
There are of course plenty more but these are my top three. Hope you all like them. I certainly did.
It's true. I realised a long time ago that fanfiction restores the load of wasted potential in MHA. Sometimes it feels as if canon was a fanfiction and not the actual story
@@motoristacaduco I wouldnt call it delusions, but explorations of potential. Fanfic writers see parts of a show or story that needed work or couldve been improved and *do* that, which can inturn inspire other writers and artists to not make similar mistakes and improve their stories.
@@motoristacaduco Technically, everything fictional is the delusions and what not of frustrated people.
@@motoristacaduco in this case, more like the fans doing the author's work better than the fucking author
Lord knows how many fanfics I've seen where she's a total badass.
FINALLY. She was one of the few female charecters in anime that I genuinely liked and enjoyed even respected. But then the moment with Ayoma happened and I felt that sense of dread. That everything about her and every important moment to her charecter will most likely be deku related and it crushed me. She still had few moments to her but she doesn't feel near as wholesome and independent as the beginning of show. Her journey became at least 90% deku related and it breaks my heart.
She should have won against bakugo.
@@holy2685 that kinda degrades Bakugou and rushes her character. Afterall, she wanted to be a support hero and lacked combat skills. I think Horikoshi's biggest mistake to her character is making Toga her rival when it should have been a character similar to Bakugou
@@punipalsayshi2644 I don't think so. Toga and her have this self-expression vs self-repression thing going on. What would a character like Bakugou be doing? Wouldn't that boil down their rivalry into a basic power struggle? "Who deserves to be saved by heroes?" is the basic thematic question their trying to answer.
@@Feed-Me-Lore Toga and Ochako would have worked if it wasn't obvious it's about Deku. In regards to similar to Bakugou, it shows that she's definitely learnt something from their battle + even in the harshest battles, she can still fight
I know emotional connections with characters is better but I'd rather a power battle than watching the 'love interest' fights another girl who also shares the same love interest. It doesn't help when female characters barely get to shine anyway so having the lead female character getting action pack too would be nice (I'd prefer her contributing to the emotional aspect more but for now, she's just there)
@@punipalsayshi2644 I can see where you're coming from, I also wouldn't mind if Uraraka was a bit of a more prominent action girl trope, but I can tell that's not what she was meant to explore. She explored it a bit, her loss to Bakugou gave her that fighting spirit and had her practice martial arts, but getting stronger in combat isn't number one focus because she's a rescue hero. She's very much a "save to win" kind of hero, and most aspects of her character revolve around her desire to save people. She wanted to save her family from hardship and poverty, she wanted to save heroes when they need saving, and now with Toga it's a question about whether or not villains can be saved.
As much as the Toga thing does have a connection to their mutual crush in Midoriya, it doesn't bother me because a) that's not the only connection they have, and b) Uraraka is actively telling Toga they are not just a couple of girls talking about their crushes and that they are heroes and villains respectively. That went into a conversation of who heroes should be saving, self-expression vs self-repression, and so on and so forth. Her life doesn't revolve around Deku, it includes him to some extent (which is the case for almost all the characters).
Her confrontation was initially about Midoriya, sure (well I mean, it wasn't the actual initial reason, because Toga feels the same about Asui and that has nothing to do with Midoriya. Toga wanted to be their friends, she wanted to be seen as normal while also not suppressing her desires anymore, and that's the whole reason she sought out Uraraka as a friend, by highlighting what they have in common), but Uraraka refused to play along with that. And then Twice died, and Toga couldn't fathom why a hero would chose to kill him, and she went to her two "friends" who she "loves" who are heroes to ask "what do you want to do to me", and that is all outside her crush on Midoriya. So I don't think it's entirely about Deku, I think it's partially about Deku.
The worst part is there was literally so much potential for urarakas character, it could've delved into her motives of becoming a hero for the money and explore the concepts of privatization/heroes for profit, how heroes can serves as a business being exploited/and or manipulated by their employers. We could see maybe uraraka be swayed to do something morally questionable in order to get money, and even involve stain and other characters ect and allow her to have self reflection on hero society and the hero system, decide what her protiorites really are, and give her a really awesome character arc with great development. There were really so many ways hori could've gone with her character.
Ngl I feel like overall the world the author has built has been crushed by his writing over and over again, the potential of Mha is incredible, A society where everyone has powers is an insane idea and at the first 3 seasons the world building was smooth enough, but sadly everything is based around deku, because his the one narrating it, ngl if we were seeing this from someone else's perspective deku would have zero screen time in the vigilante arc.
Another thing that sucks is the fact that all might and endeavour are the world's 1st and 2nd, how abt the other countries......., like come on man , are the liberation army people going to forgot about tje rest of the world, like a complete destruction of a country would definitely not effect other countries right right, lastly I would like to say why tf are all the top 10 hero's japanese like, legit all of them are in Japan and live there. Plus in season 4.5.6 endeavour keeps saying his the number 1 hero in Japan not the world, which ruins All mighty massive impact, this ruins the world building, this makes the situation in season 6 easier to deal with, just simply bring foreign hero's and the Japanese army.
@@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406 They literally mention why they couldnt bring foreign heroes in one of the episodes. And they still literally do bring them anyways
For point A to B, you did have a point of giving Ochako her own ideals within thw perception of money and society, but there is a problem...
The simple problem for it, is to how it will be truly connected to Uraraka's character as merely a student, since she can be clumsy sometimes, and can be very clueless...
Remember, her quirk makes everyone float right? And that is her character, mainly to how quirks represents a persons idealism. For example, vast and volcanic as Bakugo personalities are as same as his quirk, and Iida is so straightforward that he always jumps into conclusions, making him a machine that always go straight line...
Quirks are the basis of MHA, and gravity can also give an ideal of romance in place, since it shift attraction in a gravitational state, according to General Relativity, that is why Ochako is a candidate of having a love affair, alongside Himiko Toga, who loves to copy someone she simps for, as well as copying their quirks...
But there is a twist, some of the manga panels act differently from the adapted anime, like for example, having Bakugo "full faced" seeing Uraraka fall in the manga, became "half faced" when it comes to anime...
Uraraka where supposed to be the gravity between Deku and Bakugo's relationship, since Bakugo and Deku respected and admires Uraraka strenght, but the anime shifted the ideal into a lifeless Uraraka being only a simp for Deku.
If you have read the manga, you will notice many, many differences of why Ochako were getting backlined by the anime, but not in the manga...
Adding a basis of my argument, Ochako was supposed to be the Big 3, as well as Bakugo and Deku (it was honestly the case, since even in the MHA: Team Up Mission, this trio were the first team to be introduced, naming thw chapter "Chapter 0", but the popularity of Todoroki influenced Horikoshi to skip Uraraka, since Todoroki has the most popularity poll on him than Uraraka, which is somehow a reason of why she became backlined/support/main character. It is not the shipping that destroys Uraraka, it is how low her popularity was against people who ship BakuDeku, TodoDeku, or even TodoBakuDeku. I mean I even barely see KacChako or IidaChako in the context, or any ship that involves other characters except Deku, became her downfall due to popularity. Heck even KiriBaku has more followers than IzuOcha and KacChako combined 😐
Shipping is not really the ones who destroyed Uraraka since her ideals is to how "grounded" she was, as to be said, how willing she would sacrifice in order to grow, and it is one thing that really admires about it, because when shonen manga have romance, it is always the girl or the female character that will fall in love to the main protagonist, but atleast Uraraka is trying, but the one thing that destroys her is to how unpopular her ships is rather than those Yaoi MHA Characters...
Kirishima got more recognition because of the ship, KiriBaku, yet Mina didn't even make out to the line when she was introduced alongside Kirishima, because the ship, KiriMina, is underrated than the KiriBaku...
To be as simple as it should be..
It can be said by only one word...
✨Marketing✨
I mean what can I say towards the anime adaptation, they usually do change the projection of the adaptation, according to what is the trend...
Horikoshi's work hits different, when he drew Uraraka, but the adaptation...
Meh... The adaptation is fine, but they always change the topic or even the entry of Uraraka, and always acted more effort, when it is all about Deku, but not Uraraka with other people...
I mean, they did more animation about KiriBaku, but when it is about Uraraka... Man... I was kinda disappointed as well...
@@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406 dude its a shonen manga. shit aint ever gonna be that deep and also the author is literally getting fucked under the weight of deadlines. it got to be so bad that there were times where his artwork was so poorly drawn it was like a big deal a while back how much the quality dropped
She turned from caring about her family, goals and education
To only thinking about Midoria.
And Toga
Thats why IzuOcha is dumb
She's thinks about her parents, heros, civilians, and toga as well
That’s why I stopped liking her. She got so annoying with that crap.
@@isisaphrodite3585 thats cause youre only looking at one side of her which is her crush on deku 😑😑 people like you are blinded by what she can actually do and what she actually cares about
I think the main problem with love interests in battle shounen, is that that the MC gets the safest and most boring love intrest, so even if the mangaka can write female characters, the love intrest themselves will be sidelined for more intresting characters as the story goes on. As overdone as tsundere trope is in other anime, that trope lends itself for tragic backstories and easy character development.
@Gracjan Lekston
though i LOATHE tsundere trope because how sometimes they are just assholes who get away with it if they show a softer side every once in while, its not like they are unconfident and thats why act like that, no its because they like being an asshole, and rarely they get called out for it or face any consequences.
for once i would love to a tsundere's actions or words actually push the person they love away because of what they said or did...
@@chongwillson972 when the trope is done good they are typically great characters. Just look at Vegeta for a good example of the archetype
Vanilla love interests can be entertaining if the mangaka puts effort into developing said character but Uraka is not a fully fleshed out character, she is just a stereotype to fill the role.
A rather alarming issue with most shonen is that the stories are about boys who single-mindedly pursue one goal their whole lives, spending their youth training. They then choose whatever character is the most house-wifey with the least amount of stage presence as their partner, so they have some support in pursuing their “work” in future.
This! And it can be very noticeable in Bleach between Orihime and Rukia. Majority of fanbase wanted IchiRuki endgame BECAUSE she wasn't written like love interests usually are. If Rukia was meant to be Ichigo's love interest I bet her character would get a downgrade. But she was written more like rivals/friends of MCs are so people loved the equal dynamic. Shonen authors needs to stop making characters specifically and obviously as love interests and just make characters who will eventually just happen to fall in love later on. Without having their whole purpose to be in love with MC since episode 1.
a lot of characters get sidelined in my hero, but it stands out so much with ochako because of her crush on deku like you said. momo, mina, tsuyu, hagakure, jiro aren't canonically shipped with any of their classmates so they still feel a lot more fleshed out because they're focused on their goals rather than blushing over a boy. and that being said, it feels totally weird that she's so shy and blushy around him, i feel like it should be the other way around. ochako is outgoing and nice and friendly while deku is the more timid one so i feel like deku should be the one more aware of her?? if that makes sense
and side note WHY does deku have to have a harem in the first place?? like so many random women are attracted to him that it suspends my disbelief, considering deku is supposed to be the awkward, geek with a heart of gold underdog and is not a canon pretty boy like todoroki
@@ivyward1393 uh... he doesn't have a harem? canonically the only girls that are interested in him that way are Ochako and Toga, and I guess you could count Pixie Bob, but that was mostly a joke, as she also acted like that towards Todoroki, Bakugo and Iida. If you are talking about why fans often like to write fanfics with Deku as chick magnet, well, that's just how fandom works.
Also, Jiro does get ship tease with Kaminari and Tooru is so useless that I don't think she is a good example about being a fleshed out character or one that stands up, the whole joke is that she doesn't stand up at all.
@@ivyward1393 like fabian said it’s only uraraka and toga
Isn’t Denki and Jirou maybe canon? Idk
You mean like it was a the beginning? Deku was crushing on Ochako and Ochako was being extroverted and loud. It all changed when she began crushing and Deku stopped crushing on her.
She’s one piece in an entire puzzle that points out the main issue of MHA: anyone who isn’t Deku, Bakugo or Todoroki are thrown into a box labeled “cheerleaders”. No one can do anything unless they give one of the big 3 a pep talk about how they’re the coolest and strongest and smarterest gigachad alive
the world heroes movie where the only relevant characters are deku,bakugou and todoroki is a great example of that.
@@denzeldubois4978 I still have yet to watch the third movie, but yeah the plot of them just seems to degrade after the first movie. The first movie in my opinion served a better role as fan service than the second movie and what I presume the third movie is. Guess i can just watch it for animation-gasm.
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
They have multiple Speedwagons to commentate over the fights, except they don't have cool hat and *****n* world changing organization.
I feel like uraraka actually had a good motivation, she wanted to support her family with the money she earns but later on in the series, her motivation just became about supporting deku achieve his dreams and 'make deku notice her'
I know she started off as such an interesting character…
That is not true. It went to her remembering her origin (wanting to lift the burden off of others and making them smile, not doing blind imitation, asking who saves the heros when they need saving, and realizing that villians should be saved as well.
@@lilithismybabydaddy452 yeah but the flashbacks during her earlier fights consisted of her remembering her parents and now its just "look at deku he works so hard i need to be like him" snd this gets so much worse in the manga its like she completely forgot about her parents especially when toga came in the scene
this just isnt true at all. ffs these comments REALLY don't understand ochako at all and see her as something she clearly isnt.
Uraraka really feels like she has basically disappeared from the story. She's here to remind us about the ship; but I've honestly gone whole story arcs of this series forgetting they were even an eventual author's planned ship.
Like; I almost feel like Toga is in the story at this point to remind us that Uraraka is into Deku lol
The war arc is such a depressing example of this deku,bakugou,todoroki even lida help the pro heroes fight the big bad shigaraki and his league of villains and ochako talks to toga and then is gone the rest of the arc. She felt like a side character after season 2 and it sucks just because horikoshi wanted his golden trio to be 3 of the most op heros in the show. Instead of one op hero, one strategic hero and one powerful hero. Deku,Ochako and Lida were far more interesting than bakugou and lida since they actually felt like deku's friends.
*bakugou and todoroki
Even Toga has a more impactful character arc than Uraraka.
@@xrrgr To be fair her backstory is no CPS in this world allowed her family to abuse her until she acted out and hurt people. Her quirk doomed her. There's no quirk rehabilitation, no CPS, and really no rehabilitation at all.
Hurting a child because they have ugly quirks is so shite. Toga is a person who never had a chance to get better. And everyone knows it but still will kill her instead of offering therapy (something else that doesn't exist in this world).
@@Topdoggie7 you can’t help someone that doesn’t wanna be helped my friend. we saw this with twice - hawks knew he wasn’t actually a bad person and tried to get him out but he refused. unfortunately because of the nature of his quirk, hawks did what he had to do.
The problem with her wasn't shipping but rather both her AND Iida Tenya (seriously dudes even more irrelevant to the story after the Stain arc than Uraraka) being shoved aside and replaced as Midoriyas 2 main classmates and companions by Bakugo and Todoroki. Honestly it felt like the author decided to just swap the 2 of them out for the already established to be stupidly strong classmates rather than bother to try and build them up to the big leagues of power scaling.
It also didn't help that the sheer popularity amongst the fans Tsuyu had kept getting her bigger and bigger roles in the story that would have otherwise gone to Uraraka
horikoshi planned on having mha be a short series and only planned for that, so i think he didnt know what else to do for iida and ochako since they already went through their entire character arc and just replaced them with the two other most popular characters
I don’t think Tsu stole her spot light. Uraraka wasn’t used properly when on screen and barely did anything that truely helped unlike Tsu who could hold her own. (Saying that Uraraka saved Deku like when he was falling in the entrance exam is irrelevant because he later learned to solve his own problems and said from episode ONE he would be the greatest hero) Uraraka isn’t as capable (physically) as people say she is but her rescuing abilities are not utilized either. She would not have been good for the situations Tsu was in and Ura could have been replaced or forgotten in her scenes but there was no effort to give Ura more to work with. :/
@@turqussy That's not true in the slightest, his original estimate for the series length was roughly 30 volumes which would still be a 6-7 year serialization cycle.
FACTS FOR IIDA. After the Rescue Bakugo/All for One vs All Might incident, there's been like no development for him. As of today (3/8/23) I've only read till the current anime arc and stopped like a year ago, so I really hope I'm wrong.
My Hero is quite sad in how it wastes a lot of it's characters, while showcasing how good it can be when it focuses on human plots. I can't blame the Author for putting a lot of focus on Todoroki, because the family story of the Todoroki household is leaps and bounds better then any other plot-line in the manga. Their is a reason Twitter exploded with the Dabi reveal and the portray of Endevar as both a abusive Asshole and somebody trying to move past it is something rarly seen in fiction. Like, you usally get "Oh he was bad before and is good now!" or "he was bad and therefor will stay bad!" and here we have a case of "Can he undo what he has done? No. Do the people he hurt need to accept his change and love him? No. But at the very least, he is putting in work to actully better himself."
It is a shame that none of the Female characters get anything remotly as compelling as that.
unfortunately this doesnt only apply to uraraka, but pretty much all the characters who arent deku, shoto & bakugo will have their "star moment" and will later just be left to rot in the sidelines (ex: mirio, iida)
and dont even get me started on the girls .. they're lucky to even get a standout moment .. nejire is one of the biggest examples of this (and honestly one of the biggest missed opportunities in the show). while the boys have melodramatic & intense arcs about self-sacrifice, nejire's "arc" is about winning a beauty pageant. it starts to become funny at a certain point
I will also add Yaoyorozu. She is as smart (even smarter than Deku breaking his bones tactic) and she has an awesome quirk. But she was useless during the Bakugo rescue.
@@somik-i3xbro, finding bakugo was only possible because of her
Meh, shonen is for boys. That's why most of the cast is male. Reverse goes to shojo as well
@@grinko1222 You know that Shonen is actually read by girl a lot. One Piece audience is 50 % both gender. While Naruto was heavly male, because of the lack of interessing female character.
Shonen and Shojo are label that only work in marketing head and doesn't reflet reality.
@@grinko1222 I totally forgot that. I will give you that point, but she was still not use during the rescue.
She could have just given the radar to the guy and disseappear right after it and didn't change a thing.
one of the most frustrating moments in the show for me personally is yaororozu’s liscene test. she falls into a leadership role, that’s great! it makes sense! and then when she’s backed in a corner, she thinks “what would these three male characters i’ve barely talked to do?” and she realizes, she has to save everyone instead of prioritizing getting her liscense. WHAT? you mean to tell me YAOYOROZU wasn’t already trying to stop tsuyu from FREEZING TO DEATH? we already went through her lack of self confidence and believing in herself but the solution to her big moment is thinking what would deku do. and it WORKS.
I mean, the episode is filler so it's not shocking that it isn't the best writing, but Momo's issue in that episode is that she wants a solution where they all win and instead had to come up with a solution that's heroic. One where she's willing to sacrifice herself to save others rather than how she was putting a priority on herself. Her classmates than show the same heroic spirit by not being willing to sacrifice her and come back for her. Also, a huge thing that episode was how Deku inspired all of the characters to be more heroic (it's noticeable that you overlook that Shoji ALSO used Deku for inspiration that same episode).
Finally, this topic needs way more discussion
Agreed
As someone who likes shipping, I also agree because when this happens, it sucks.
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Yes, but is this going to be solved if we bring this up? Cause if not, it would be more a cautionary tale for people writing characters than making the show better
@@AintNoWaye L troll
This is what they call "Demoted to Satellite Love Interest." At one point, Japanese readers considered Ochako a worse shonen heroine than even Sakura. Why would she be some nervous admirer from afar (another Hinata basically) when it makes more sense for Deku to be that way (like he was in the beginning)? And this author had more interesting main heroines in his previous works so what happened? It feels like he made more "stock" characters like the nice love interest because that's what editors would say their readers like.
It’s get more crazier when originally she was going to be the main character when he actually scrap the idea.
I wouldn't call her a "nervous admirer from afar" because she's not staying afar because she's nervous, she's staying afar because a relationship is not on her priority list. She's specifically ignoring her feelings so she can focus on being a hero who can save everyone she possibly can, the self-repression to Toga's self-expression. Her character has gone onto ask the thematic question of "who's gonna save the heroes?" and later "who's gonna save villains?" so I don't really think everything about her character is about her crush on Deku now.
I knew there was a trope name for this. But for the life of me I couldn't remember it.
@@Feed-Me-Loredid you not watch the video?
@@AshDemonYoung I did. What's your point?
As an OG Izuocha fan, their relationship instantly grabbed me BECAUSE it was so refreshingly simple (I was already invested in other “Rivals/Enemies to Lovers” ships, queer and straight-passing, in other fandoms, so a little vanilla was exactly what I needed).
There was no harassment at first sight, no history, no excessive nervousness around each other to the point of killing the chemistry… For a Shounen, it looked like a stupidly easy set-up for a great friendship and, even though it didn’t have to be, a sweet romantic relationship that mutually benefited both characters. At least there’s fanfiction to cope with the disappointment!
I do appreciate that this pairing avoids a lot of the typical annoying clichés of Shounen couples. So the main male character isn't an idiot with the girl constantly exasperated by him or the love interest being an angry girl who always hits/beat up the main protagonist for being dumb. The latter I feel is especially annoying, mainly if the series is setting them up as a couple.
What would we do without fanfics?!
@@valentinkambushev4968 suffer.
you've put it into words! i usually don't go that vanilla either but i'll also ship anything that seems remotely funny and/or charming. i really liked all of their early interactions but i couldn't quite pinpoint why prior to reading your comment
Isn't the the love interest being exasperated or angry the same thing? aka the "tsundere" type or the "Sakura" archetype? and isn't uraraka the shy, pining-from-afar type of character, aka the "hinata"? so her character isn't even that new or revolutionary.
I feel like people may mistake her from something she's not.
But yes, fanfics are better than canon
I remember being so frustrated during that time where the meme "every girl is Best Girl" was going around talking about MHA. Because yeah, every female character had a lot of potential, and I could see how each and every one of them could shine. Yet somehow the story kept finding ways to sideline them constantly. And no-one got hit harder by that syndrome than Uraraka.
One thing I have thought after I watched this video was that how Three Musketeers and Three Amigos combined could've gave us a great Five Man Band trope:
Deku - Leader
Bakugou - Lancer
Uraraka - Heart
Todoroki - Big Guy
Iida - Smart Guy
Like THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SIDELINE IIDA AND URARAKA, this hurts me so much ngl.
My God I wish this is what happened. Why didn't this happen?
Yeah it's weird, think it would've been so easily to just cycle in Shoto with the current cast and have those five be our main POV. But instead they got replaced which I just don't understand...
True, but Bakugo rely doesn't need to be in this. He has little to offer the narrative, as his current presence adds nothing to the characters or story. He has no main villains, and only has development based on Izuku. Not even Izuku needs this guy now, he already fufilled his purpose as the school bully. Use someone else, like Aoyama as part of this band, because Bakugo's potential is empty.
@@egbertmilton4003 bakugo's potential was nowhere near empty. His development from spoiled bully to actual friend (not to mention mirroring deku's initial near sacrificial attempt to save him) was a cornerstone of the series.
Not enough focus was given to him and others, but we've seen elsewhere that there was plenty to work with
@@juliantapia1407 Really? It’s not that special to him, literally any hero could have saved Izuku, like he was the only one who could even fight Shiggy. Tenya could have, it’s not like it needed to be Bakugo for this. His journey failed to be interesting, as he just backtracks anytime they try to develop him to the angry mess. Like it was so close in that Kindergarten arc, but he just goes back to being the same, with little reflection of said growth elsewhere in his character. He doesn’t even apologise properly to Izuku, he did it while Izuku was getting ganged up by the toxic bomb and his classmates, completely drained from giving a proper response to said apology, barely acknowledging his own part into making Izuku a self sacrificial machine of despair, and didn’t even acknowledge any feelings Izuku had during said apology, it was about Bakugo alone.
Also, last time I checked, actual friends don’t throw spikes into the other’s head to the point of showing brain as part of comedy. Like, what does he offer? That whole prioritising saving than winning, and winning to saving thing doesn’t work because it’s not like Izuku has trouble with winning against villains. Izuku knows full well that he has to win to save, even if saving is his main priority. Bakugo is the only one who needs this comparison, considering how he cannot comprehend saving others. What does Bakugo have on his own?
The cornerstone of the series is Izuku learning to be a hero. It was an expression of old superhero comics in a Shonen setting. It was an alternative look on celebrity culture. It was also once to highlight the flaws of a corrupt society built around Superheroes, but AFO fucked that all up. You could even argue Endeavor trying and failing to make up for his actions was a cornerstone. It certainly wasn’t Bakugo’s circling journey, that’s for sure, and to pretend that was it is disingenuous to the story. Bakugo offers nothing in his time at UA, he’s just needs Izuku for any relevance, compared to Izuku finding his own way through multiple different interactions and views, with a level of character independence you can’t even say Bakugo compares to. Is a worthless sacrifice that did nothing for his character that notable? Is dying again for some nonsense revival by sacrificing a Pro Hero we barely know in the series part of him being a notable cornerstone? Because, it more suggests his presence takes away from MHA as a narrative.
One thing regarding Toga that I find strange is the fact that she was paired up with Uraraka as a "dark reflection" or whatever, when I have always seen Toga as a dark reflection of Deku funnily enough.
She is someone who had to surpress her true self and be cast out by society because of who she was. Because she never received any aid, her fascination with blood which stemmed from her quirk, became a psychotic obsession. She became a villain due to circumstance because of how she was born and a society that wouldn't help her.
Deku is similar in that sense where he got cast out because of the circumstances of his birth. The difference is that he ended up getting help and set towards a path of becoming a hero instead. If we would remove the part of him meeting All Might, Dekus backstory is for all intents and purposes a villains backstory if anything, and I could see him ending up similar to Toga because of that.
But that's just my read on it at least. At least it makes more sense to me than Toga being a reflection of Uraraka tbh
BNHA always has this problem where they are presented real opportunities to challenge the status quo and expand on the nuances of the world but just end up reinforcing the status quo and feeding into an ableist message.
you see, when you can't write female characters, you can relate them easily: romance, cuz women love romance 100%
@@loonzoldick honestly touga is the best written female for two reasons when it's not focused on izuka bakuga tordtiku endacer all for one it's touga she's duoantagostist she's absolutely the saske to deku naruto
I know there is a lot of people who "ship" toga with deku but the possibility for story development between the two has far more potential than anyone else so long as no one placates the fans with "service"... Let them be foils and not potential lovers and there's so much there
She is the best written female character and isn't being used to her potential because I don't think the writers know what to do with her....
Popularity can be a major detriment
Tbh I thought Toga was being set up for a redemption arc and to be main girl, it would be interesting for once to have the villain be a girl who is then saved and changed (usually it’s the other way around)
The worst part of her getting reduced to a love interest is that she doesn't even get to have cute rom-com moments with Deku because they're not actually in a relationship she's just the boring as crushing trope.
I can't wait to see them together in one panel in the final chapter.
Yeah cause writing an actual relationship is boring, cause girls with crushes ONLY respond in blushes
**GREETINGS FROM THE FUTURE, GUESS WHAT HAPPENED** (or not😆😆😆)
I don't think romantic love is real or special, and I think romantic relationships are a bad thing. I think humans should just stop being in romantic relationships. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it. Romance seems like an ugly thing.
Many fathers are hoping that their daughters never date or get married and remain single for their whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships.
The overprotective father thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a much better place without them. If someday that the human race ditches the concept of romance and romantic relationships, and got rid of stuff like dating and marriage, fathers would be happy about it since they wouldn't ever have to worry about their daughters ever dating if that ever happened.
People (especially women) should avoid being in a romantic relationship and be single for life since romantic relationships are dangerous.
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
Rather than shipping love interests, uraraka should have gone into literal shipping. She'd make WAY more money for her family working in logistics moving things than as a hero. I understand people willing to get paid terribly and suffer to help innocent people and protect the public but if her motivation is just to earn money for her family she didn't think through her quirks utility.
That's a good point. And it's not like people can't use their quirks at all in their work, Jiro even mentions that electric quirk users have an advantage in their society because of how many jobs they can do in Season 1.
She'd need to train to up her tolerance so she could lift more than 3 tons at a time, but there's no reason she couldn't do something like that. I definitely want her to be an effective hero, don't get me wrong, but if Horikoshi isn't going to do anything of note with her at this point, he might as well have made an adult Uraraka working at the docks or something.
It's these kind of comments that make me think people are idiots that don't remember shit. Uraraka's dream was to be a hero BEFORE she wanted to help her family. Helping her family became a motivation. She was going to initially give up being a hero to use her quirk to help their company but her parents told to her to follow her dream so she decided she'd become a hero that can earn enough to let parents live a good life.
she cant use her quirk without a hero license, thats explained multiple times, yall literally dont read, her motivation comes from wanting to see her family and people smile and the reasons for her to do so change after Nighteye's death, ending with her being one of the leading people when it comes to improving society
It irritates me that supposedly 20% of the population is Quirkless. And yet, through the entire show... we see two Quirkless characters. Both of whom end up acquiring the world's most powerful Quirk. By the show's own 20% rule, of the at LEAST 100+ characters we've seen... 18 more of them should have been Quirkless. And yet... No. Deku has to be Special.
To be fair, this is battle shonen anime. 99.9% of the cast have to be able to fight and keep up with all the crazy powers.
Deku has no friends outside of superhero schools. The villains aren't going to bother with powerless thugs. And the police, who are canonally made up of mostly quirkless people, are the just the police.
I heard it's because the 20% is total population not out of each generation and quirks keep getting more common, so most of the 20% is amount the elderly but even then it's kinda stupid that Deku had seemingly never met another quirkless person
I actually have a disability that only 20% of the US population has, and you’d be surprised at how rare it is to meet others who have it too, it’s not even like it’s a invisible disability, it’s very visible. But most of the time, unless you go to a convention that’s focused on your type of disabilty (not even your disability exactly, just the disability type) then it’s near impossible to meet or make friends who have the same disability as you. I have a lot of problems with how quirklessness as a disability is shown in the show and manga (especially with how practically every quirkless character ended up getting a quirk) but it’s really not that weird to see only one or two quirkless character In BNHA if there’s no real attempts from the characters to go and meet up with other quirkless people. Which is honestly a shame, I would have loved to see Izuku not only embrace his quirklessness but go and meet other quirkless people.
Idk if I made much sense but I just wanted to share some of my thoughts on that :)
@@ligtningdog6399 sky high made it work
@@thestoryteller512 Sky High a wasn't action series about how nearly everyone in the planet has superpowers.
No offense to the Ochako lovers who love her character even now, this is just my opinion
But I've always felt like that for years. I loved Ochako at the beginning of the series, and still found her small crush on Deku cute in season 2 and was rooting for them, because she wasn't only defined by _that._ But imo, it just got worse ever since season 3...
Apparently this changes in s6 so get ready 🫣
Didn't he said that this shonen series is for a young male audience. why are women watching and reading this?
That reminds me of hinata in naruto. I like her at the start of the series. A shy girl who was demoted from the heir of her clan bcs her father thought she was weak. She admired naruto's willpower and aspire to be like him. But as the story progress, her character just revolved around her crush for naruto
@@happymate8943 yes that's true... but females can watch it if they want lol
@@happymate8943 its a genre, its not a law.
It's really sad to me because I actually love how Izuocha was set up as a ship. It was super cute, and you can never go wrong with friends to lovers. At that point they were both rounded characters with decent screentime who were also friends who liked each other quite a lot, and that's wholesome and good.
But the longer the series goes on, the less screentime Ochaco gets, and the less of a person she becomes.
It's tragic to me.
@Lu Noin Uraraka was still the one who gave his hero name new meaning
@Lu Noin this sadly often happens in shonen anime/manga that the two male characters end up having better chemistry than with the love interest
@Lu Noin exactly
@Lu Noin yup. But don’t say that too loud, cause then the shonen fans are going to rage at you and accuse you of fetishizing male friends and saying that guys can’t just be friends and blah blah blah.
Ain't no way that's the ship name. What the flip
I was hyped when even Bakugo said calling her weak is a mistake.
That character assassination hurt me even more😢😢
I also like how you also dismantled the ''rivalry/nemesis" with toga
Same shit happened with Mirio being used as a foil to propel Deku's growth. He's established as the top student and already on the level of pro heroes. He looks goofy but is capable of taking out class 1-A with ease using his quirk. His super strong quirk was also extremely difficult to use but he learned to master it. Then it's revealed that he would have been the one to receive One For All because of Sir Nighteyes recommendation. He wants to save a million people he's jacked, he's like a mini All Might. And then he gets shot with a quirk erasing bullet saving Eri. After he's shot he goes on to prove that you don't need a quirk to be a hero.
Deku's whole initial character revolved around the question of whether you need a quirk to be a hero. And Mirio's sacrifice meant fucking nothing. Deku gives as much as fuck as the writer because this doesn't matter to him.
Mirio gets put in the background until the final arc roles up and he got his fucking quirk back off screen. Then it gets revealed in a flashback that Eri learned to control her powers and gave him back his quirk. His sacrifice still mattered because he didn't know that he would ever get his quirk back but it was such wasted potential.
Imagine a scenario in which Deku questions if needed One For All to become a hero. Or he just decided that Mirio truly deserved it and tried to convince him to take it. Both of these are far more interesting than Deku beating Overhaul and just moving on to the next arc. If you're going to dedicate other characters to develop your main one at least use the opportunities your given.
That last part actually did happen. In the hospital Deku hints that he's considering giving Mirio OFA, but he shuts the idea down explaining that he has no regrets and wouldn't want it. Still agree with you on the way they handled his character though.
As much as I used to love my hero, there's a lot of set up but virtually no pay off for a lot of the character arcs that would have done wonders for the world building and themes. Even though Deku gets some of the most focus, being the MC and all, I'm most disappointed of his character. He's very stagnant despite having so much to him that should make him complex.
@@nextgennolan Yeah I recall he did offer Mirio his quirk but the latter turned it down.
Yeah that whole arc was just not handled well at all. It was like, oh, he lost his quirk. MOVING ON.
My guy, fans have proposed and written whole stories with that premise. Togata's everything Deku wants to be, he's charming, approachable, someone with saves people with a smile on his face. He's a beacon of light and super humble about it hence why he gave Tamaki the nickname and then hero name of Suneater as to him, Tamaki has more potential if he could get over his issues.
I've seen people argue that their first encounter with Eri proves why Deku has the power but I would argue it proves Togata is the better candidate as while Deku would always so the heroic thing, that doesn't always mean it's the smart thing and he knows it. Togata in that moment acted with restraint and caution, two things that Deku's lack of is SUPPOSED to be a detriment, potentially lethal to him even.
i absolutely loved uraraka at the beginning. sadly, as i kept watching the show, her fierce determination and her values watered down to “i want to save people, anyways, where’s deku?”. it breaks my heart because she was so great, and now i see her and just see wasted potential.
Honestly I found her more annoying at the start lmao
Way to tell the class you have shit media literacy
I honestly wish Ochaco and Tenya were involved more. I loved that friend group dynamic and it's so sad to see it isn't being used when they had such good chemistry. The characters bounced off each other more and had interesting stories, but nah, we need a girl to be useless and blushy for a the main character and we gotta stuff the fan favorites in more.
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
Addressing how bad Shonen writers are at creating good female characters made me feel like I wasn't insane anymore. Like I've always felt like something was off, but as a beginning writer, I couldn't really explain it. So my faith in anime has been brought even lower again, thank you so much!!
Edit: where did all these likes and comments come from?? 👁👁
Yeah, people in the anime community do not like to talk about that.
you do know that shonen isnt the only type of anime that exists right?
@@asura7915 its not even just shonen its just anime in general
@@somefatkid2080 now you are just exagerating
@@asura7915 His not wrong
There's this essay on AO3 called "why do non-canon ships become so popular" that, among other ships, touch upon UraDeku and the general problem of women in Anime and shonens.
Also people like to harp on the MHA shipping fandom and how it's "toxic" but it's all bollocks.
But also , canon has now devolved to the usual tasty flaming garbage that is the standard shonen anime and it's annoying tropes.
So the moral is to read western fanfics of the show that have way better writing
@@Dan-zc3ou I used to wonder why yaoi's so popular but now I'm an adult I see why. The weakest male friendships are often better developed than entire female casts in shonen.
@@blueizumi Yeah, that's pretty much it.
And it's not like the Japanese are oblivious about it (they did invent the whole yaoi industry after all) so they know exactly what they are doing in shonen and sports anime.
They know that fujoshis (or shippers in general, both eastern and western) eat that stuff up like there's no Tomorrow
@@blueizumi Yeah basically. Manga authors write the most amazing and nuanced male characters, while simultaneously writing the most generic females, and then wonder why the fans don't like the female characters as much.
@@WebbedManiac yeah I still don’t understand the whole “I don’t know how to write female characters“ excuse that manga writers have… Like dude, all you gotta do is write an interesting character and then make them a girl. It’s really not hard especially seeing how well they write their male characters.
OK K.O did the "making sure every character felt like the hero in their story" approach way better...IN LESS EPISODES THAN THIS.
that show was amazing. Enid, Rad, Gar and definitely KO (along with boxman) got SUCH GOOD stories.
But OK KO has much Less characters too... Some of they will be forgot, is sad but happens
Absolutely goated show
I loved that show, and I really need to finish it someday. To my knowledge it got cut short and had to rush through its ending, which is a damn shame.
@@lucassun9369 That's why you don't introduce a lot of characters.
I legitimately lament that we never got an arc that had Izuku, Ochako, and Tenya doing hero work together. Would’ve been fun to see them work together against a villain. Closest thing I’ve got to that fix was Heroes Never Die Its Hero Time when it adapted the Stain arc.
Now some context, Heroes Never Die It’s Hero Time is an au where Izuku got the Omnitrix while Ochako gets One for All. When it got to the Stain arc, Izuku decided to go with Gang Orca while Ochako went to Gran Torino. It later leads to Ochako getting involved with the battle. against Stain
Other than that I do wonder how Izuku’s classmates from Middle School feel about seeing him actually get to U.A.
Also imagine what kind of friend dynamic there’d be in a friend group consisting of Izuku and Ochako, Zenitsu from Demon Slayer, Karma from Assassination Classroom, Megumi from Food Wars, and Kirby
I read that fanfic ayee
The old trio was so gold man, I missed them the moment they got replaced and I always do even though I left the series
"I legitimately lament that we never got an arc that had Izuku, Ochako, and Tenya doing hero work together. "
Oh my God, we really didn't, what the heck...
@@BrenoRanyere but the fanfic had you should see it
Tf? How in the fuck does Kirby come into all this?
Imo, Dekaraka is a really sweet couple, of two characters that can really complement each other - but the writer just handles this relationship horribly. They should have time to develop slowly, as Deku builds up his confidence, and have Uraraka slowly make advances on him, taking the lead by being the more outgoing person of the two, and thus building their crush on each other, maybe giving them sweet moments together. Instead, they just make Ochako be a fangirl and blush everytime Deku's even mentioned, while Deku is just being like "ooooh cute girl is cute that girl sure is cute she is nice to me and really cute". It's a horrible representation of what teenage romance actually is like, and a terrible waste of potential for the characters and their setting.
Like I said another thread, the characters are left in a perpetual state of "will they, won't they?" because no dating allowed at superhero high school, I guess... they have all this development and it just never goes anywhere.
It IS all those good things you're saying and none of the bad things. You just contradicted yourself with this whole tangent.
THANK YOU
for so long I've hated ochako for just being another "girl" character or "crush" because she dose actually have goals and aspirations *and* is actually really strong. But then she just has all her good traits have been put on the sidelines for a crush that is destined to go *nowhere*
Edit: AND ANOTHER THING! her and toga being foile characters is amazing representation!....IF they didn't both not only have a crush on deku but also (canonically!) Toga has a crush on ochako....so ochako is ruined on both ends by?... CRUSHES!
She was shaping up to be so great during her fight with bakugo but then deku strikes and now the goals and aspirations were put aside for the shipping. Lost potential always feels the worst tbh..
I highly doubt it's gonna go "nowhere", she's probably gonna end up being married to Deku and useless.
@@Peasham I really don't like the term "useless" being used here. Or in general, because that's what female characters always get boiled down to by the audience. She's most likely going to be a rescue hero and that's the opposite of useless. Wish she got the arc she deserves though.
Technically, Toga has a crush on Deku which led to her crushing on Ochako. So technically, the issue isn't even crushes themselves, it's crushes SPECIFICALLY ON DEKU. 🤣
Poor guy. Poor girl.
@@joyc.e.7511 You think I like that I have to call her future self probably useless? I hate that she'll probably be useless, but that's no reason not to point it out.
As for her being a rescue hero, the fact that the author will probably choose to insert her into a role where she could affect the main story the least is the problem in and of itself.
So nice to hear someone else articulate how I've been feeling about Ochako for a while now. And like, I'm sorry, when Deku is having mutually respectful, impactful and meaningful interactions with the likes of Shoto, or is going on a whole ass character arc with Bakugo, then bro, just having Ocha blush and gush over how cool Deku is doesn't cut it.
She doesn't blush around Izuku every single time they interact, Ochako is actually one of the only female characters who keeps their cool around their crush, only when people (cough cough Mina. No disrespect towards her though) comment on her crush on Izuku that's when she starts blushing. At the last episode of season 5 when Izuku and Ochako gave each other a fist bump did she start blushing and run away like any other female character who has a crush would, no, she was calm. And she doesn't gush over him, she respects him
FOR REAL LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE H E R THE LOVE INTEREST AT LEAST PUT HER ON THE SAME LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE or chemistry, maybe not even of deku but of the other characters he interacts (significantly) with
@@d6421-e9c The problem is that Uraraka's whole character revolves around Deku. She only interacts with Deku, Asui, Toga and sometimes Iida. She talks to the other girls only to talk about Deku.
While the other female characters, even if they are not the best written characters in the show, got to team up with different friends and fight different opponents, Uraraka mostly follows Deku. The only reason Hori could come up with to justify pairing Uraraka and Toga as nemesis was because they both liked Deku. But Toga is actually a much more interesting character and no wonder she is a fan favorite.
What's even the point of Uraraka's romance with Deku if her relationship with him is not explored? It will even be revolved like last minute, so it's not even a romance, it's just her crushing on him for more than 6 seasons while Deku thinks about more important stuff. If they end up together at the end of the series and their romance is not explored, why even put it in the series? Why give her this crush instead of letting her stand on her own? Even if we say "but Deku also likes her" (which I believe btw), why is that that he can just focus on the important stuff and fighting villains and training not having time to think about his romantic feelings, while she only thinks about that? It's a clear bias against female characters.
Deku has more interesting dynamics with both Bakugou and Shouto, so his relationship with Uraraka should be at LEAST just as deep to justify the jump from friendship to romance. Like, Deku will have the best most amazing open-hearted converation with Shouto or Bakugou and we should go like "what a great friendship", but then he and Uraraka will talk 3 seconds about nonsense and we should go "they love each other so much, such a beautiful romance". What makes his empty relationship with Uraraka a romance while his much more interesting relationships with the dudes are just friendships?
Hori just sucks at writing relationships between men and women, especially if he intends to make them a couple.
@@lavistelle6031 I think you're talking about the wrong person because that sounds a lot like Hinata ana Naruto, Ochako doesn't go to the girls only to talk about Izuku, you're only bringing up that one time in season three when the girls figure out that she has a crush on someone, other than that she barely talks about him to them, and the other girls are well written you just can't see it because you're to busy complaining about an anime's romance yet it's supposed to be a Shounen, why do you think it's not showing that much of their romance, and they both had their times when they seemed so close, plus there is one scene in the manga where they were actually talking about the war and how it affected them and how they both wanna save Shigaraki or Toga, but maybe reason why you think Horikoshi's bad at writing romance (which I think is not true, my opinion so don't judge me) it's because he's trying to write a Shounen anime, not a freaking romance anime, how IS he supposed to squeeze in both their romance AND the entire story while we all know how insane things are going, not everything is about romance you know
@@d6421-e9c If Hori isn't good at writing romance, and he isn't imo, then he should not put romance in his story. It's as simple as that. You don't write things you don't know how to write. And if there is not enough time to put romance into it, then even more reasons not to put romance. At all.
It's a shounen, focus on the action for ALL characters, not just the boys, and let the fandoms do the shipping, because the fandom will do the shipping anyway and they won't pick the canon ship you as an author want because it sucks.
Imagine how MANY things Uraraka could have done if only she spent her time not only obsessing over Deku and helping him. Her role in the war arc was useless, she talked to Toga a bit, clean up the place after the important characters were done fighting and that's it. Obviously the main trio and Iida got to go against the big baddies, but, apart from Uraraka, Asui and I think Koda, the rest of class A at least influenced the plot by taking down Machia. Even Mushroom Girl had more impact than Uraraka on the war arc. And there are people in class A that have worse quirks than Uraraka.
She is Deku's emotional support, she is being given less and less hero work to do. She was fierce in S2 and then never again even if villains continued arriving. You can't show so much fighting potential in a tournament and then never use it in a real fight. This video explains everything so well.
Momo had much better moments, interacted with more characters and had an overall better character arc. Yes sure she may or may not have a crush on Todoroki (another boring af ship, but I hope this one doesn't become canon), but it's not the centre of her character and she can act on her own. Even Asui and Jiro are more indipendent as characters than Uraraka. Uraraka WAS a great character, but she was wasted. I had to skip many of her scenes starting from S3 during rewatch because it was so boring and cringe (except the end of S6 where she was great, but still only because it was about Deku).
Iida too got basically ignored by the story, but he doesn't revolve around Deku all the time, I would say he was pushed more towards Todoroki. Uraraka doesn't even interact with Iida that much anymore and it's sad. Wouldn't have been interesting to show how her and Iida cope with Deku basically ditching them to go with Bakugou and Todoroki? That would have been awesome to see.
And overall the ship is boring. Their scenes are boring. The vibe is boring. It's just fluff that never takes off because they won't get together before the end of the show because it is indeed a shounen. But by then not having realized his crush on her will have let Deku focus on the ACTUAL important stuff, while her entire story will have been wasted on the crush. You see the problem? If you can't develop a romance and theirs is NOT developed, why put it in? Why can't the female lead just not fall in love with the MC? Whyyyyyy
Just to have a boring ship the majority of the fandom will hate anyway because there are more interesting relationships. And forcing the ship down everyone's throat is making fans hate Uraraka even more.
It's very telling how there are MHA ships in the fandom that are WAY more popular than Deku/Uraraka. Because those relationships actually got developed in the series and became interesting, while Deku and Uraraka's relationship was never developed pass the "they are cute together and laugh and have similar ideas". Deku and Bakugou got so much attention and developed their relationship, but it was never done for Uraraka and Deku even if the romance is theirs.
When your canon ship, the one that includes the protagonist and the main girl of the series, isn't even Top3 in the most popular ships in the fandom, you have failed at writing romance and that's a fact. And if you have failed at writing it, you shouldn't have put it in the story.
I had a realisation about Hinata from Naruto a few weeks back. I always loved Hinata as a kid because I was also a shy girl. But the other day, I realise she was not witten for little shy girls like me to feel seen, she was writen for guys who want a shy little waifu simping on them in the background. And that makes me very sad.
This is more true for the Anime than the manga
@@naveenjacob2440 I am very glad to know that ! Thanks !
@@cinnamonpumpkin7655 The anime sexualized her much more than the Manga, and her shyness is overplayed in scenes. The Manga is generally better. She just doesn't have much focus in the manga
What makes me sad is that Hinata DOES has an interesting, tragic background. She was supposed to be the leader of the strongest ninja clan. But her timid and shy personality made her father deemed she's weak and gave the title to her little sister instead. Hinata used to have a GREAT potential until she suffered from main character's love interest syndrome
@@whatismyadjectiveiconfused So true...
If two characters are going to get together, that should be more reason to give BOTH of them better development. It'd be one thing if Ochako fell out of the limelight altogether, but it quickly gets old if she keeps getting pulled into the story just for shipping and nothing else.
Then it's a good thing that's not the case and Uraraka is as good as she's even been, if not steadily improved.
@@goldenheart9503straight lies, Uraraka fucking sucks. Story would be 100× better if her fights were given to another character and she was cut out so I didn't have to read page after page of annoying repetitive slop.
I don't think the romantic type of love is special, and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic relationships end in a breakup/divorce I think humans should just ditch concepts like dating, marriage, and pair bonding. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it.
In my opinion, romantic love should not be on the highest pedestal. In my opinion, parents and siblings' family love is the strongest. Family knows who you are. Romance is fake for lots of people, put on a false persona and romance on most parts gets ugly real fast. For the reality of romance is no Disney love story.
Parents and siblings' family love is one of the strongest types of love there is. If romantic love is actually real, it would be one of the weakest types of love there is.
I feel like Lila from Hey Arnold! was a character who had the depth in her first episode, but then had it all wasted by becoming Arnold's crush (and thus a target for Helga's ire) for most of her remaining appearances of any relevance. It says something that the remaining episodes and the two movies after Arnold gets over his crush on her she doesn't even speak.
See also Panini from Chowder ,as mentioned in a previous Sarcstic Chorus video. Yes, it's a comedy series, but Greenblatt and team could have done SO MUCH MORE creatively with her. It was a series that was inventive with it's visual gags and even had a bit of meta...but with Panini, they were oddly lazy with her.
Lila deserved better.
I'm pretty sure Lila was literally JUST made to be Arnold's crush...
@@zigzoinks5493 Olga's another character that deserved better. Her first episode set her up as hating the fact that she's her parents little wind-up doll, yet she shows no hint of that in later episodes, where she basically is what she was only pretending to be in her debut.
@@southparkfirefly Maybe? She did debut in season 2, but it wasn't until season 3 that they set up the love triangle.
Shipping wasn't really the problem with Uraraka, in fact it's one of the only ships on the show that actually makes sense and has canonical material. I think what really hurt characters like Uraraka and Iida was the rise of Todoroki. His entire family conflict becomes part of the main plot, and thus giving him a large amount of screentime in most arcs became obligatory to advance his storyline. The original "Power Trio" of sorts was Deku/Uraraka/Iida, with Bakugou as the rival. But when Todoroki gained the focus he did and Horikoshi established him/Deku/Bakugou as the new Big Three, Uraraka and Iida got completely pushed by the wayside. The abundance of shipping moments feel more like the product than the cause, as they're easy to squeeze into the story without dedicating too much time to it.
don't forget Bakugou's plot armor and never dealing with the rules of his quirk, cause honestly there was no way without his gear he should of had enough sweat left to blow away Uraraka's last attack. that was the start of her getting pushed aside
@@TheEarthDragoon He did have a spasm of his quirk. If you may have noticed, Bakugo have used his quirk on many times as Uraraka gives many quick attacks that it gives Bakugo hard time.
He said it was a "close one" as he blew her secret techniques.
@@TheEarthDragoon and nah, it was the start of her getting known, because of her potential. The only problem that starts it is when Aoyama connotes that she had a crush on Deku, and she was thinking about what she can do...
With Bakugo, we witnessed her strength as a competitor and a hero, that in fact when Uraraka falls, Bakugo were shocked and confused...
While Uraraka's downfall, is when she noticed she had feelings for Midorya, and was gradually portrayed as love interest, lurking in the shadows of Deku...
There is a big difference between light and darkness tho...
Todoroki had more family screen time because ⚠️spoiler ⚠️
Dabi is his brother, and if they have to talk about his origin, it needs to go back to the Todoroki house. Also with Endeavor being the new No.1 hero with a training agency that Deku is going to it kinda makes it like that. I could go on
@@byildingcheeks4396 What difference does it make in this case? This issue had nothing to do with Dabi.
Straight up, I start to forget she's even in the show. I used to love Uraraka at the start. That battle with Bakugo made her look so cool and interesting, despite losing. I was invested in her as a character, and then she got her crush on Deku and the plot ran away from her screaming. She does nothing now, and it's so sad. I want early seasons Uraraka back.
I so agree with you about that scene during the provisional license exam. Would've been so much better if after that retrospection of herself, she actually put that crush of hers behind her and focused on her school studies and her hero work, until maybe Deku started feeling the same and then she could come back to it, now that they were on the same page, but no.
here's your daily reminder, that Uraraka's motivations aren't just about money. sure it's part of it, but her main motivation is actually to see people smile. as she explained she never really looked at heroes, but at the smiles on the people around them ,and that's what made her choose to be a hero.
Well later on it is but in the beginning money was the main motivation, which honestly could have been interesting if it weren’t brought up once and then sort of just forgotten about. Like how does the motivation to make money could align with making people smile and it could also go into conflict with it.
@@islasullivan3463 pretty sure the whole wanting to make money thing was to help her parents (so they could smile) but that's just how i see it tbh
honeslty I feel like Horikoshi saw people started to love Todoroki and Bakugou, so he stared putting them in way more often. Like of course Bakugou would appear a lot he is Deku's rival. But it's really sad we don't get to see Iida and Ururaka more often. Like she get brought up for ship purposes, and Iida barely gets anything thing.
He must have REALLY loved Bakugo, because Bakugo & Deku’s prototypes were originally supposed to be together, but that was scrapped and he changed it to Ochako, now I’m thinking he’s changing his mind again.
@@Pastellita That's not true, the only things were know about Bakugo's prototype are from the extra pages in volumes 1 and 2, and that tells us nothing other than his personality being a kind person who's unintentionally rude (which was later changed of course). I don't know who told you that they were meant to end up together, but it's most certainly false.
@@Tubular_dude_20y_ago They were- do you have any proof of that? I mean it pretty obvious that they were supposed to be together.
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Not being biased, but I think you just like to mention of BakuDeku but not Ochako. I know you love the ship, but it is kinda awkward to connote that you know Horikoshi, because even us, we don't know who he is, and you just assume things that Horikoshi should put Izuku and Katsuki together, because you think he would do it...
There is no reason to add more about evidence because the argument is almost non-existant. Like you assume that he made Bakugo and Deku, when he actually made All Might first, then the trio which is Bakugo Katsuki, Midorya Jack, and Yu as their beta...
If you're telling me that he wanted to have romance between Deku and Bakugo, then I would say it is not argumentative enough to assume he would do it, because this is a SHONEN, and shonen are mostly not into romance...
So why pointing romance, when the genre is not?
The actual main reason of why Horikoshi put Todoroki and Bakugo, is the popularity they have, in a difference that he scrapped his idea, of having Iida, Midorya and Uraraka as the main trio, to Midorya, Bakugo, and Todoroki.
The true trio that was been scrapped entirely is the trio between Bakugo, Deku, and Uraraka, which gives the Idea of OFA...
Bakugo gives the idea of "Winning", Midorya gives the idea of "Saving", while the most important part of being a hero is by Uraraka which is "To Win and Save"
"Helping those who need help even if your a person is considered as an act of hero" gives the idea in All Might that "Meddling with others is an essence of a hero" and Uraraka's qoutes as "If heroes are in need of saving, who will be there to save those heroes?"
In which, this is the reason Uraraka is important to the storyline, as she is also a keystone to the story, alongside Bakugo, Deku, Todoroki, All Might and the Class 1 A, and even Aizawa and the heroes...
As to what Deku said
"This is the story of how I become the greatest hero" to "This is the story of how WE all become the greatest heroes".
I saw the Deku/Uraraka shipping coming a mile away (veteran reader of shounen manga). But yes, she (and majority of the other female characters) had their potential wasted simply for shipping. I don’t mind romance and shipping in general-I’m a romantic at heart-just want the love interests to have their own character arcs and development beyond being a love interest.
I feel the same way. I can be a bit of a shipper myself sometimes, but it seems way too many anime characters are defined mostly by their ships and not their true potential; it's not just the ones in MHA. Sure, Uraraka did have a good bit at the beginning of Season 2 with the UA Sports Festival, but all of that got overshadowed and everything in her life seemingly became centered around Midoriya. Just about anytime she's about to do something meaningful now, she tells herself stuff like: "I'll be just like Deku and not give up!" or "What would Deku do in this situation?" It's fine to admire the personality traits of your crush, but seriously, girl, make your decisions based on what you want or need to do, not because of what you think THEIR perspective would be!
I cannot recommend "Welcome to Demon Shool! Iruma-kun" to you enough then. It was a breath of fresh air to watch an anime that had fun ships and characters that actually progressed without comprising any of the characters involved.
Honestly, as much as I love MHA, Horikoshi cannot write women. And it sucks cause all of the male characters are so interesting and have great depth... Like Suneater and lamillion! Awesome characters, great backgrounds. And then you have nejire. And she's... There. Cause they talked to her, or something. I just want interesting women who are more than just "her name is ____, and then this guy came in and...". And ururaka was a major casualty of that.
He wrote Lady Nagant and Toga perfectly, he's capable of writing female characters, but for some reason just chooses not to.
@@frapiichino fully agree, and now that I think about it, stars and stripe was... Mostly okay. Lol, maybe he's saving the female characters development for the sequel!! /s
@@frapiichino I guess that's just part of being a shounen writer. I would assume that the higher-ups at Jump would prefer he focus on the male characters because of their target demographic.
Even some male characters are shitty, mineta is reduced to a joke, kaminari and kirishima have lots of character potential, lida had a single episode and is ultimately just the funny hands glasses guy, and chisaki was pretty underwhelming for how quickly they wrote him out after his defeat
@@jayceallen6530 There's something I always keep in mind when discussing MHA's characters: what's the usual fleshed-out cast size for other shounen? I'd say around ten. So, considering Deku, Todoroki, Bakugo, All Might, Eraserhead, Shigaraki, Endeavour, Dabi, Toga, Mirio (the goat) and the other notable characters, it comes at around that number.
I've never considered it reasonable to expect every single character to be super well-developed. I would argue most characters in 1A have just enough to get you invested in their characters anyway, and HOO BOY is Kirishima good.
Really glad people can actually talk about this problem with writing in shonen. It's so tiresome and it's one of the most obvious problems...
Yup Bakugo's writing is terrible
@@quietopinion9637ur funny
Imagine having the majority of one’s character being a love interest for the main character and nobody even wants you in a relationship with them
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...nobody? Dawg have you seen the fandom
@@dip.918 Especially in Japan-
@@dip.918 It's not even top 10 most popular ships on pixiv lol (biggest japanese fanwork site)
@@willfanofmanyii3751 *clap* *clap* *clap*
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What's worse with the Yakuza arc... the Villain the girls took down was TECHNICALLY the second most dangerous person in the Yakuza organization... and it could have been an amazing fight with huge stakes.
... instead it's a nothing fight with them dog piling and making the whole fight seem trivial.
Ironically, Mikasa is a character that on the surface level seems to avoid this, but when you actually see beyond her kicking ass, Isayama makes the same mistake and in some ways to a worst degree even. Mikasa is the proof that even if you make you female character the strongest, that still not enough if at the end of the day it's still 99% in service of the main character, her crush. At least other female characters are given more interaction with their other friends and livelier personalities. But Mikasa's care for her other friends is so rarely emphasized. It's there, but it's made so damn subtle and miniscule, it gets buried in all the "Ereh", which doesn't help at all.
Mikasa isn't even the strongest, Levi is everything Mikasa is but a better fighter and who Isayama actually bothers to give character focus and story stuff towards. It's all a shame.
i was so happy she kills him
@@jacobwilliams1223 Exactly. I had my hopes that cosnidering most veterans tended to die, that Yams would eventually have Mikasa surpass Levi or take on his duty but not even that! And yes, Levi is the actual proof you need to see how Mikasa doesn't really get it much better than other female characters in reality. Even in terms of the main trio, I'd argue Armin gets better treatment. And sure, Armin doesn't fight like Mika, for sure, but that's partly cause he made him the brains instead.
This.
@Mute SpeakerJack that happens in the literally last chapter. Season 1-2-3 mikasa was obssesed with Eren even tho Eren didn't really cared about her feelings/didn't see her that way. Season 4 and onward Mikasa has 2 lines ''Eren stop this!'' and ''If we can talk with Eren maybe he'll understand.'' thats not really a character arc.
Even at the last chapters she was having conflicts about killing him she decides to kill him in 3 panels at max.
I remember how pissed I was when (Season 6 spoilers) Ashido got screwed over from giving the 'final' blow to Gigantomachia and instead her big character moment was taken by Red Riot. Who already had a big character moment. I can't believe that Alien Queen was so badly done that episode.
It's just to typical female character shit in Shonen.
Fr Alien Queen was about to shine
actually giving a 16 year old a reaction to trauma??? cant have that she must be perfect in every way!!!
Also anyone remember when Ura took up martial arts? It really killed me inside to see that plot line get straight up abandoned.
What do you mean. She literally used this plot line every time she fights Toga.
@@mangamandrew which makes it look like she got that training specifically to fight Toga, when she didn't even know Toga existed. It seems stupid.
It feels kinda useless that she got a skill but she can only counter one character with it.
@@WebbedManiac Yeah… except she used it on 13 and overhaul as well. She does not solely use it on Toga.
@Abhinav she uses it on more characters goofy
Its kinda wasted though because she’s not physically capable like other students. But the fandom doesn’t think that’s okay because we think she HAS to fight to be a strong female character like Mikasa and Nezuko. Combat should be mostly left to other characters while she trains in first aid and basic life support, survival training, psychology, tactics and equipment, diverting damage, negotiation, etc. Instead everyone wants those short moments where she fights someone who is weak, doesn’t take her serious, or doesn’t even know she’s there just to hype her up and claim anyone who objects is trying to be a hater. (Focusing her on being a RESCUE hero would make her self-defense look even better and more realistic especially if it came out of no where.) If she has martial arts as a hobby that’s one thing but to act as if she can keep up with Tsu, Baku, Tokoyami, Ojiro, etc would get her killed.😰
People are saying that every character gets this treatment. They absolutely do not. She basically has her personality taken away from her
Fans will try to "well actually" sexism away till the day they die
Every side/support character does get this treatment, but none of it is worse than hers.
"Leaving Deku to get jumped by eczema"
Best line in the whole video 💀
I think there are three main issues with Uraraka:
1) Shounen as a genre doesn’t care for female characters at all. Like, legitimately, female characters are either played off as strong b*tches or as side characters serving romantic plots. There usually isn’t any in-between and I think it’s because male writers from the genre typically don’t know how women think and so just write them in for realism and to have romance arcs. They try too hard to make a “woman” character and fail at making a real character because of it. Women are a lot like men, and all it really takes to write one realistically is to write them like any other character.
2) Horikoshi doesn’t care about any character that isn’t All Might, Aizawa, Deku, Bakugo, Todoroki, Endeavor, Shigaraki, and Dabi. He legitimately has given almost no REAL screen time to anyone else, unless it’s some generic backstory without much detail or a side-fight that isn’t interesting at all. Like, we barely know anything beyond surface details about most of Class 1-A, and even Deku’s main love interest, Uraraka, has gotten basically no real screen time since the first few episodes. And by that I mean screen time that furthers the character and adds depth to her. You can’t just rush through the story in less than one canonical school year and then TELL me that the characters have developed; you needed to SHOW me. And that’s why Uraraka’s bs development arc that we see when Deku returns to UA is just too little, too late. It’s just a pity that Horikoshi created so many interesting characters and a school system that last three whole years, only to rush us through with minimal character interactions within one school year.
3) I’ve seen it time and time again and it just makes me angry here with IzuOcha. Horikoshi tried so hard to make them look like a preordained couple to ward off any other ships that he made it feel forced and unnatural. Instead of developing the ship naturally and just writing them as a dynamic, he instead injected cringy awkward romance into basically every interaction they ever had, which made the ship just feel cringy and awkward as hell. I actually began kinda hating Uraraka around the Summer Training Camp Arc because I got tired of seeing her obsess over Deku and act so idiotically. There’s a reason why Bakudeku and Tododeku (as cringe and toxic as the first one is) both outrank IzuOcha in terms of popularity, and there’s also a reason why Deku is regularly shipped with characters like Jiro and Momo and even Toga in such large droves. It’s because Uraraka is a largely static and unnatural romantic interest. When every meaningful interaction of theirs is so full of awkward crush energy, it takes away from any natural chemistry or feeling that the audience might have felt between them.
I’ve never heard of the Deku ships with Jiro and Momo. Ever. I hear Kaminari and Jiro, and I hear Deku with Toga, Bakugo, Toderoki, and even Rody, but never Jiro or Momo
Stop pushing your disgusting gay fanfic relationships 💀
@@isisaphrodite3585I've seen the Momo x Deku ship before. It's due to people thinking that Momo is hot/'best girl', so they ship her with Deku because he's easier for someone to project into. It's kind of a self insert fantasy using a pre-established character (Deku).
I don't think IzuOcha is less popular than the other two ships, at least not by a lot, is just that much of the people interested in Deku and Uraraka being together don't really give a damn about ships and just focuses on other things in the series, the Bakudeku and Tododeku part on the other hand just focuses on the romance of the series lol
I don't think its only male view like demon slayer which is written by a 'woman' is the same like male written. I think that depends on how they view it as. eg- JJK which is written by a 'man' where women are actually great and doesn't feel accessories to the main character.
It's very interesting how 3-4 years ago people that were calling out the flanderization of Uraraka's character were all labeled as jealous yaoi shippers but now the general conversation these days is more critical of Uraraka's diehard fans.
It's kinda ironic that when Ochako actually got feelings for Deku my interest in them together went down. Should've waited longer smh
Welcome to Shonen anime, where fleshed out female characters go to die.
Ever heard of Inuyasha?
@@jacqueshardin4601 That’s an interesting case because although it was shounen, it heavily focused on the romance between an ordinary girl and her beautiful magical boyfriend, and was written by a woman and is most popular with female fans. So it feels a lot like a Shoujo that somehow got marketed as a shounen.
@@aikikaname6508 My thoughts exactly. Even I find it strange that it feels more like shoujo fantasy romance with some action thrown into the mix and not what the shonen it is marketed as. Maybe it's the fact Inuyasha is the title character. But Kagome gets as much focus as he does. I really cannot tell who is the primary or secondary main character, that is very strange.
urarakas love really does feel one-sided, her entire personality, motivation and story started to just revolve around Deku, even when he isn't there, there's not a single scene in mha after the sports festival where she's alone and not thinking about Deku while in dekus mind uraraka is nothing but a cute girl who he blushes from when she's close, never in a major fight scene will you see Deku thinking about uraraka
He does think of her at one point during the UA camp ambush arc, but alongside Bakugo, Todoroki, and Iida. It's likely definite all four are Midoriya's best friends ever. Yet I agree that Midoriya doesn't really think of Uraraka in the exclusive romantic stance.
Seeing that video makes me think that's probably why the Ochako and Bakugo ship (as a romance or as a friendship or partnership) came to be in the fandom as it was mostly based on their dynamic in their fight against each other. Bakugo was almost the only one who took her seriously, Ochako was her absolute best at that moment of the story, searching independence and trying to push her limits, and Ochako being Ochako she didn't have any preconceived perception of Bakugo either (not just angry dude 24/7). So people saw in that ship an opportunity to combine this with mutual character development. Ochako to continue to find new ways to use her ability, not downplay what she is capable of, push her limits, become stronger and stand up for herself. And Bakugo learning more about cooperation and rescue and showing a side of Bakugo that is more tactful or empathic or sensible (in his own way, kinda like his mother I think). Now it makes a bit more sense to me.
Not that I don't think it can't be done by their own will and individual experience alone but this relationship (no matter the status) could have made it even more interesting (because unexpected).
Except Bakugo didn't take her seriously since he told her to give up before the fight even started.
The reason why the ship spawned within the community is because people liked that type of character dynamic.
@@HandlesSuck123 and remember, "Forget what happened in the past, and stick to the brighter future" This phrase very much summarize Bakugo's growth as a hero, that it also affects "He who does not know how to look back at where he came from will never get to his destination" phrased by My Hero: Dr. Jose Rizal from the Philippines and the Period of Enlightenment, which Uraraka did to Bakugo in the Omake, where she reminds Bakugo about him and Deku's childhood.
@E . A He is my hero after all, and the phrase does have meaning towards Bakugo and Uraraka omake, because Bakugo must see his past, in order to proceed towards the future. This makes me say "Mabuhay!!!"
I actually like a lot to think about Ochako and Katsuki's relationship, even if just friends, and you pretty much summarized how I got interested on these two
You know this doesn't sound like a good idea I. The show itself but this relationship dynamic sounds cool and I'm prob gon write something similar now
I recall you mentioned your issues with Bakugo in your season 2 recap and I love to see a video on him. On that note but love this video because it highlights the issue Ururaka characters.
Totally agree. You know whose relationship development I like more? Kaminari and Kyouka. Its not their own defining feature and their bond feels genuine.
Plus it's not getting shoved into your face constantly.
In the end her resolution was pretty original for a shonen and her final fight with Toga is one of the highlights of the last arc. Her crush had an actual purpose that wasn't just making her the love interest.
Deku couldn't understand Toga, he thought her way of loving was wrong, which made her angry. But Ochako managed to reach her and understand her thanks to both of them liking Deku. Ochako admits to herself and to Toga that she fell in love with Deku and she empathizes with Toga and sees her hurt and humanity, all the abuse she suffered because people considered her love as "wrong". Without the crush on Deku, Ochako wouldn't have been able to relate to Toga. Yes, in the end Toga still died, but she died happy the way she wanted thanks to Ochako finally understanding her.
So the crush's purpose wasn't to put Ochako and Deku together, it was to make Ochako reach her own villain and become a better person. In fact she doesn't even get together with Deku in the end and it doesn't matter because we see her dream come true: she became a hero, has her own team and she is working to save kids with difficult quirks like she couldn't save Toga. Out of the main cast she is probably the one who is changing society the most. Whether she will get with Deku or not, even whether she still loves him or moved on, is totally irrelevant. That is not a "regular shonen" ending and it surprised me in a positive way.
I also really liked how she tried to bottle up her pain after the fight, all her guilt, and this time it was Deku who supported her. Ochako was always there emotionally for him, she was the hero being there when heroes suffer, but when she needed help Deku came. It wasn't a romantic scene and it shouldn't have been, but it did make their relationship more mutual and I appreciate that. In the end she was a well written character and the payoff is worth the whole crush subplot
The dark deku arc had the most potential to really change the series for the better. You actually see the rushing start especially the part with toga disappearing from the villains only to randomly just pop up again. Wasted some great development there. Same with the students, didn't even have a funeral for midnight and how life was after the war.
It also happened to Haru from Beastars.
Even if she was set up from the getgo to get with Legoshi, that became her entire character and all her agency and plot relevance was stripped away.
It also happened to Retsuko.
@@eatatjoes6751 Sad but true. I'd say Retsuko fairs slightly better, but not by alot.
@@PlanetZoidstar Like, immediately when I heard about the Haida thing I was already checked out by the end of season 3.
Fr, Louis has way better romantic chemistry with Legoshi than Haru ever did, and the series didn’t even need to focus that much on the undertones between them for that to happen.
@@cito7288 Which is frustrating because Haru remains Legoshi's primary motivation throughout 99% of the manga. But after Vol. 6 she and Legoshi BARELY interact at all.
But even then both relationships are extremely toxic and mostly revolve around Legoshi being stupid, Haru being angry, and Louis being a dick.
"Deku is disabled"
Dude, there are many characters with terrible quirks is this show and Deku's only problem is that "becoming a doctor" is not as cool as becoming a hero to him.
BRUHH you didn't have to drag him like that lmao
then again, I've never forgiven the story for having Deku "discover" the art of kicking, as if it was some galaxy brain move.
@@spiderbits2923 It's so weird. Deku discovering he can kick just like any other human being in existence is treated like some big achievement, and I'm like what?!
Like, I get that he was trying to emulate his idol and mentor, who only uses punches. But I honestly can't believe that a person would be so much into emulating their teacher that they forget the existence of a body part.
@@WebbedManiac that wasn't the point.
It was stated multiple times throughout the series that Deku hyperpedastalizes quirks, heroism, and All-Might in particular. In fact, it should have been brought up again in the most recent episode to date ( Deku's 'rematch').
He literally thought of the dude like a God, to the point to where kicking wasn't even on his mind because he thought that One For All should be used for punching since All-Might used it in that way.
It's literally ONLY when he thinks on innovating on the power given to hirematch due to the injuries he suffered prior to his discovery that he thinks that he can kick.
It's not " I forgot my limbs because I just forgot they exist."
It's " I never thought about it that way because I always pedastalized everything All-Might did."
It's a form of growth and independence that's different from All-Might's path ( what All-Might tried to tell him during that episode where he decided to change up his fighting style).
He didn't forget his legs. He used them for leaping, like All Might
@@spiderbits2923 Yeah I found it hilarious dumb.
when 12 year old me watched the first two seasons of mha, i was HYPED. ochaco was my favorite by far, and i was so excited as a young girl who loved shounen anime to see a female character who actually HAD character beyond being the main character’s little gf. i could see myself in her, i’ve always wanted to get a good job to support my mom just as she’s supported me. i’m the same as you, i could take or leave ochaco and deku, but it didn’t matter to me. ochaco was a character beyond her romances, so whether she got with him or not was irrelevant.
until it wasn’t. season three came out, and ochaco was pushed aside. it’s okay, i thought. i liked todoroki as a character as well so i was fine w him getting more spotlight. i thought it would just be for that arc, that deku would return to his origin friend group with iida and ochaco. season 3 kind of put me off the series, and at that point i was kind of growing out of my MHA phase anyway.
season 4 was the final nail in the coffin. i couldn’t even finish it. any character that wasn’t shoto, bakugou, or deku got little further development regardless of the groundwork that was laid down previously for it. ochaco disappointed me greatly. i was SO excited to see a female hero that was actually badass, could do things, even had a morally questionable motive. someone i could imagine to be a real person. a woman i could see myself in. it was all ripped away as she was watered down to what most female shounen characters are from the jump. a love interest that doesn’t do jack shit for the plot except give the MC a motive to fight. so saddening.
unfortunately she’s not even close to the only wasted potential in this series. yk, as notorious as the fandom was, the beginning of the show was actually good. too bad it didn’t live up to the expectations it established previously.
Never watched this show but hearing how great she was in the beginning makes me so much sadder about what happened after 😭
I watch it and she is my least favorite character. Her having any kind of screen time is what’s very sad to me
Anyone else think it would have been better if Uraraka (during the Blackwhip incident) put Deku in a chokehold and made him pass out (using her combat training from her internship)? That way, her role in the incident would be her actually solving the problem instead of telling someone else what to do and then keeping him from falling...
Also, that hairstyle she has during the Float training flashback... how come we never see it outside that flashback? It looks great!
That won’t work because that could literally kill Deku.
@@mangamandrew meanwhile, Bakugo setting off explosions in people's faces...
@@insertclevernamehere1186 yes, because he has control on how destructive his explosives are and has shown to have control on how destructive his explosions are.
It's weird how different the manga and anime are in this aspect. The manga has Ochako's feelings more subdued (she laments but feels that she needs to hold it in until it's the right time- cause there's a freakin war goin on). The anime slightly has that BUT they strip her agency, and keep PUSHING for this ship. Lingering shots, the swelling music and the shoujo sparkles. Really takes away from the character's intentions.
I’m glad you mentioned this. What he was saying about the licensing exam arc being a moot point is less of a problem in the manga because there isn’t all this extra romantic emphasis tacked on. Rather the emphasis in the manga feels more on her struggling to shake the crush and focus.
exactly. especially with the new opening.
@@darkcircles4lyfe475 glad someone said it, she definitely has her own pov going on in manga
@grapes1799 don't you mean Sakura ayane (who did uraraka voice in the anime) or someone else in the different voice acting studio?
To be fair, I don't think Ochako's presence would have changed Stain's mind as he is totally radicalized. Ida's family by all accounts seem to be pretty stand-up despite the fact that they get rich off it, and Stain still targeted them. If anything, he probably would have been MORE pissed at her for her outwardly monetary motivation for heroing.
Nah what hurts is the fact that Deku has a more developed relationship with bakugo the his “love interest” ochako 💀
And that hurts Bakugou’s character because he’s a constant damsel instead of a competent hero
Bakugou best heroine fr
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That weird shonen syndrome, two same sex characters having a deep, passionate and always developing relationship, meanwhile, their interactions with their future lover is just, awkward crush (sometimes just from the girl) or a last minute hook up to make babies for the sequel.
@@Jay-uj2er Have you ever watched Gintama? The main character and his rival even had POEMS dedicated to each other and a bunch of scenes with cherry blossoms xd.
Shonen homoerotic rivalry is something else...
On the Shinso fight, Uraraka giving Deku a "hug" was actually to save him from falling several stories when Shinso's Quirk knocked him out cold. Sure, Deku probably would have been fine if she hadn't done that but hitting the ground would have snapped him out of from under Shinso's control. Given they had no idea what the hell was going on with Deku's Quirk, trying to give Deku enough time to get his Quirk under control before he woke back up wasn't a bad idea.
Still doesn't change the issue that Uraraka mainly just played a token support role in Shinso's big hero moment rather than having one to call her own. It's the literal definition of the "I'm helping!" meme.
From a Deku POV think the issue with IzuOcha is twofold. One is that his iffy relationship with Bakugo gets waay more focus and introspection than all the others so his influence is just felt a lot more. And two, Deku just has more interesting relationships with other characters cause they aren't constricted to just being "cute"(Todoroki,Iida,Tsuyu,hell even Tomura). I don't like using movie characters cause naturally one-offs but Melissa was someone in regards to him that could've been taken in a fun direction regarding their quirkless viewpoints or Mei and her weird eccentrics whenever she pops up from time to time beyond just like the run of the mill boob joke. Don't think Uraraka is bad for being a simple fluffy romance as there is a place for that but the story just doesn't do enough with that from his side to make it really feel worth it. Bakugo is more of a heroine from a traditional standpoint than she is.
EDIT: Well now that the dust has truly settled and things are locked in my opinion is a bit more posistive. Still undercooked a bit but Act 3 of MHA as a whole does do a lot of good for Deku and Ochako's relationship,even if it neglects a few others for it. I'd give it a B-. Could've been better but its solid enough
The main reason for that is arguably because Bakugou and Deku's complex and fucked up relationship is so rooted deep into both their hero journeys and personalities: Deku's perseverance is a result of his idolization for AM and Bakugou and having been pushed around to give up his dream; and Bakugou's personality is a result of his lifelong inferiority complex because he always feared the heroic nature of Deku and his journey to become a better person and hero. It's almost insane for a writer to leave such a fertile terrain unexplored. It's the same as Shoto and his dad, Shigaraki and hero society. The main problem with Deku and Uraraka's bond is that their relationship has been surface-level at best since the start of the series: They eat together, laugh together, etc... Iida and Shoto have shared trauma and ideology with Deku, Kirishima and Deku had shared perspective of protection. Uraraka had nothing in common with Deku until the narration forced her too.
Bruh, first time I've heard of Bakugo being called a heroine
@@PichuElric
Daiki and Nobuhiko (Deku and Bakugo's VAs) did call him a heroine.
@@PichuElric lol the fandom have been jokingly calling the Heroine since like season 3 when he got kidnapped by Shigaraki in the forest camping trip
@@Lou-dj7ce dude you hit the nail on the head
I don't understand how anyone could look at a person with the ability to manipulate gravity and say "Yeah, she looks weak"
To be fair, her initial powerset IS really weak for a gravity user. Limited in initial range, effect, deactivation, number of concurrent targets, and causing her nausea.
I've always wondered why tournament arcs never used a Double Elimination system. It allows certain characters to much easier prove themselves as worthy fighters while still allowing the main character to be the one to take down the BBEG. It's a simple adjustment that fixes so many issues I have with shounen anime.
Im not sure, but didnt Hunter x Hunter do this with the tournament arc for the hunters exam? Winners get taken out of the equation while those who lose keep fighting and the last one standing is eliminated from the hunters exam.
It's probably so the brackets can remain even. Aside from certain exceptions, there'll be an even number of people in the finals of a tournament, so if for example both players got eliminated in the semi-finals, the person who won the other semi-final matchup wouldn't win automatically. It makes logistical sense.
Of course, there are certain cases where they do a kind of dual elimination, it just depends on circumstance and how incapacitated the fighters are.
I feel like Ochako is in a unique position where she actually gets the same done to her as most of the cast, being completely sidelined with only small moments here and there, but because she is the love interest as well this makes her lack of focus worse because it’s seem as writing her off as the token love interest. In all honesty I don’t think her being the love interest is the problem (some of the ideas the series put forth prove that that aspect could work), her problem is that the series just never gives her the time to make those ideas work just like every other side character in MHA which is unfortunate.
I’m hoping with the manga ending soon and her fighting Toga there will be some satisfying character moments for her, clearly Horikoshi knows how to write good characters when he gives them the time so I don’t think it’s too much a stretch to expect a good conclusion from her arc but who knows, we’ll have to wait and see. Great video!
Imagine how different the experience of watching/reading MHA would have been if, that first moment when Uraraka blushed while talking to Deku, instead of going into the mall so Deku could get jumped by Scratchy Scritches Itchy Too Handsy, she just straight up said "Hey, I think I might have romantic feelings for you, wanna' go on a date?" and they were just in a relationship from that point on instead of all this beating around the bush crap?
...I mean, it wouldn't change the sidelining issue at all, but at least her interactions with other characters wouldn't revolve entirely around her crush if their romantic relationship was cemented already. Probably.
...Maybe.
...I would hope.
That would’ve been an interesting development.🤔
And even if they wanted to focus on their careers more and not be distracted by their relationship, they could’ve had a casual relationship where they weren’t all lovey-dovey romantics, but friends/coworkers who didn’t mind holding hands and kissing during off hours/free time.
They know they like each other, their friends know they like each other; everyone acknowledges it and are comfortable about it, so there’s nothing to be shy or blushy about.
Sometimes sexual tension is unnecessary. Cutting out the BS pining/will they won’t they, and just having the main couple dating, openly flirting, and being casually supportive of one another is just as cute and investing.
Yeah, at this point her not admitting her feelings feels kinda pointless. If your gonna sideline her at least do it without the constant "will they, wont they" shtick.
I think Uraraka's problem is an extension of the bigger problem within MHA of the girls being set up for failure.
MHA is a battle shonen. the focus will be on the action, and that is non-negotiable. so the spotlight roles in the cast will _always_ belong to the people with the coolest looking quirks to fight with. Iida gets shafted by this a bit as well actually... all he does is run fast. all it looks like is Iida... but fast. that's nothing compared to fire, ice, explosions, Mega Super Punching... you name it, it'll look cooler than Uraraka hovering.
and not only do the spotlight roles go to quirks that are visually interesting, but also quirks with a clear linear progression for growth. if you're training your fire/ice quirk, it's pretty intuitive to imagine what growth would look like... to increase your power output while decreasing drawbacks like overheating or freezing. and you can get inventive with how it's used, too... you can build barriers with ice, destroy things with fire, use either one to aid in mobility or change terrain, and you can use either one of them at close, mid, or long range. you literally cannot say half that stuff about basic anti-gravity... what meaningful thing could Uraraka hope to improve about the way her body produces the effects of her quirk??
my point is that broadly, the boy characters snap up all the flashy, interesting, versatile quirks with whole character arcs built right in, which practically write themselves... and as a bonus, they also get implied durability. you know how Bakugo should be exploding his own limbs off with half the shit he does? well... we routinely watch as he doesn't. so you can assume that Bakugo himself has the durability to withstand using his highly destructive quirk, at what is essentially point blank range for him. so if someone else's attack hits him, you can expect him to tank a certain amount of damage. compare that to people with weaker quirks, who intuitively feel like they'd be more fragile on the battlefield because their quirk doesn't _require_ durability from them as a baseline.
and to be fair, yes, they do attempt to show how someone might be damaged by the power of their own quirk with Deku... but it's all played for drama with him, because it is unusual for someone to grow up with a quirk and not be able to withstand what it does. and the _whole point_ of his progression when training to be able to receive One for All, is that he's becoming more and more durable in record time. it's literally acknowledged! the idea that durability against one's own quirk is thrown in as a freebie for a lot of the more destructive abilities that we see people have in MHA, is literally in the text! that's right... we watch as the narrative textually grants Deku his implied durability factor. past a certain point, you would never expect Deku to, say, sprain his ankle, or pull a random muscle in his shoulder, or break a leg from hitting the ground too hard after a jump, and have to actually think about the consequences of sustaining mundane injuries... we're suspending our disbelief for him to some degree. the video even points out that, when Uraraka gets incapacitated at one point, that would not have stopped Deku if he'd been in the same situation. Deku gets main character recovery privileges because he's special and has to be the solution to all the conflicts that are important to his character. but none of the girls get to have this same benefit.
but I mean... is this the cause of their irrelevance, or a symptom? are they irrelevant because they don't have good abilities, or do they not have good abilities because the author never meant their characters to be used for anything important? look at what the girls can do... creating objects, sound manipulation, invisibility, levitation... frog? it's all powers that you either can't see, or that isn't very visually transformative... at least not on a large enough scale to be interesting. Tohru's power is literally being invisible, how much more spot on could it get?! Uraraka's ability has no visual element of its own, and therefore can't produce visually iconic moments for her character... Jiro's whole quirk is literally auditory and not visual... Tsuyu's power is basically just her body and whatever it can naturally do... actually, Sero's quirk is comparable to what Tsuyu can do with her tongue dexterity, but his quirk is actually way more versatile for doing the same thing, and she's not as strong, fast, or durable as the people with quirks that specialize in those areas specifically.
Momo could have the most impressive quirk of the bunch, but she inexplicably has zero weapons training. somehow she got into UA by recommendation, because she supposedly always wanted to become a hero, plus her family has the financial resources to get her all the extra tutoring or training she could ever want... and yet she doesn't even make things that often during battle, nor does she know how to use a variety of stuff that she could be creating on short notice. if she had a repertoire of different weapons that she was trained in using, she'd at least have a solid baseline of ideas for what to equip herself with, and that'd give her enough time to think and get creative. a lot of her greatest combat potential gets left on the cutting room floor. but like... _all_ of their powers are soft, defensively squishy magic type abilities. Tohru is stealth based, Tsuyu is dexterity, Jiro's a glass canon... you get the idea. none of them are the kind of damage sponge that, like, _ALL_ of the boys get to be as a rule, based on what their abilities do.
so if anyone was wondering why people might be disappointed in the girls in MHA, despite there being more of them than most shonen titles will include, and despite them seeming like a huge step up from the likes of Naruto, or similar titles from that era... it's this. MHA still leans into a general idea of gender roles, where men are strong and robust, while the primary job of women is to be cute or pretty, and then they can also be sorta strong as a secondary trait when the plot allows for it. the literal canonical biology of the characters supports this concept. or, if we're looking at it from a meta angle... people will often call out Deku's rare quirklessness, and his subsequently being chosen by All Might himself, as a slightly contrived setup for a zero-to-hero underdog narrative. so... if we're willing to examine the meta of why certain people do or don't have power in the story, because we understand that as an author decision... then what about this trend amongst the girls?
even in the case of the series' many monster girls, like the snake girl, or the dragon lady, or Froppy herself... their entire quirk centers around having an unusual physical appearance. their character design is their quirk. compare this to the boys with unusual appearances... Tokoyami has his bird appearance, but he _also_ has dark shadow. he gets a strange appearance, but _also_ an ability. or look at Shoji... his multiple appendages can manifest different body parts like eyes, ears, or mouths, and he can use his appendages all together in order to glide. once again, his appearance is weird, but he also has, like, a limited shapeshifting ability on top of that.
and then on top of the girls having less fun abilities... Uraraka's isn't even capitalized upon the way it could've been. if she had some form of propulsion built into her suit, she could basically have a limited type of flight, sort of like Shoji. Uraraka already has the lift part covered, and we see her repeatedly struggling when she's floating and hasn't given herself enough momentum to move. she literally could've requested this when she saw Deku request upgrades to his own costume! it even could've been inspired by her seeing Deku think about how to improve in this way! instead, we see her agonize over Mei giving Deku attention. the narrative doesn't even do her any favors.
That's why I'm so pissed at this show.
Thank you.
@@eatatjoes6751 you're very welcome... I wish the show could've given me less to say about this. ^^;
I ain’t reading allat 🙏😂
@@Lil_Ducky43 that's fine!
All of this is why I had to take a break from shonen. The obvious sidelining of the female characters just got too irritating
Alternative title: How Shipping Ruined my hero academia
Not really
@@TheShockVox ok, what did?
I think the dumbest part of hero academia is when popularity polls apparently seemed to influence who the main character friend group was, and also made basically only 3 characters from Deku’s class matter
Because that's how the story is written. Only 3 characters matter.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I don’t get why you make a story with so many people in that main cast, and even characters you initially though were going to matter just started to become glorified background characters. 1-A had some real loser superheroes (sugar rush man, tape boy, and of course Mineta), But most of them had at least some arcs setup, an interesting design, or a cool power, some had all three. I’m kinda glad I didn’t get that far into reading as honestly, the students I was most interested in reading about were not the three who got all the focus apparently.
@@gameb9oy for me are koda and shoji. Incredible quirks, great background nice personalities that make me want to be Friends with them.
And than you have bakugou's... bakugouishness. For me HE is the worst written character for my hero academia, the excuse as to why he bullied izuku for years instead of compelling makes him petty and disgustingly spitefull to the ONLY person that genuinely wanted to be his friend. Every defeat victory he had actually doesn't benefit his growth, only feeds his annoying ego.
Bakugou stans need to understand this (bakugou fans, keep going, your fanon bakugous in fanfictions are better than canon, i won't read any bakudeku for my hatred of it, but you can keep writing him however you want).
@@valentinkambushev4968 Shigaraki, All For One, All Might, Deku, Garaki, Hawks, Aizawa, Nezu, Uraraka, Toga, Spinner, Dabi, Best Jeanist, Momo, Jiro, Mina, Tokoyami, Mt. Lady, Shoto, Endeavor, Kurogiri, Re-destro, Skeptic, Gentle, La brava, Mirio, Tamaki, Nejire, Mirko, Eri and dozens more but sure only 3 matter in 10 years of story
I am no longer in the mha fandom, but I am and always with be a huge Ochaco and Izuocha fan, and I agree with a lot of this, the later arcs in the manga do her so dirty😭 Give my girl the spotlight she deserves
At least we got the fanfics😔
Yeah I was on tiktok and I watched a video that was about izuocha and I said I hope they will end up together but I would be happy if they ended up as friends too but some dude said they're okay but I ship bakudeku and I was like wtf but he said Don't judge me you should let me ship who I want and I was like alright man damn
You got any good mha fanfics recommendations?
@@reemraghad4267"Thank you" and " An insecure violet" are great ones. But they do ship IzuMomo and IzuJirou. There are a few other ones like " The emperor's dragon: Nestling" and "The Ninth: Izuku" so I definitely recommend those
@@thegreatestoctopus9739 so what if they ship izumomo and izujirou? I do like the former
@@reemraghad4267 oh no I really like the ship too, I just though you were looking for Izuocha fics specifically
Uraraka became exactly what I thought she would from minute one. Everything from her design to the way the story treated her like an afterthought, even in scenes that were supposed to be focused on her (with a few exceptions, admittedly), never gave me any reason to believe she would end up as anything better.
Admittedly, nothing prepared me for just how quickly the writing overall dropped in quality, I was just less surprised about her.
Ouch, but fair. She is easily the most generic in the whole class, especially her appearance. Even the actual invisible girl somehow is more fun to look at.
This video is like a balm to my soul. THANK YOU for mentioning the weird bait and switch it did with regards to who the main characters were going to be. Uraraka and Iida go from seemingly being some of the most important characters to... sometimes getting moments. But at least Iida gets an arc or two, Uraraka's entire everything gets wrapped up in Midoryia and it's so damn frustrating!
They _really_ dropped the ball on her, it’s insane.
I really hope they stop making her depend on Deku AGAIN. Like make her a foil to him or something.
I just started the video, so this comment may change after I finish it, but Uraraka at this point in the manga is a great character who gets her own standout moments without Deku being the crutch for her charcter. Time to see if chorus proves me wrong.
*Edit:* Valid points were made. I can honestly agree with most of what he said.
Nah, I can't agree with this video.
It's ignoring huge chunks of the plot and makes shit up to push a point that doesn't exist.
@Lu Noin I'm not saying she couldn't have had more screentime or having her goals develop more naturally.
I'm saying the point of this video is wrong.
Her goals NEVER center around Deku, some of them involve him, but he is never the center of them.
She is a perfectly fine character in the story.
She is the most inoffensive character I've ever seen and everyone rants about her for not being amazing for some reason,even tho we have never seen a character in her position being more than her in most shonen.
There is a difference between wishing a character could be used more and straight up undermining almost all the scenes she has to then say she doesn't have good moments.
@@silveratlas2706 Exactly! I feel like most people don't truly pay attention to her unless her interactions are about her crush on Deku, and then they proceed to complain that her character only revolves around him.
I don't think this is a popular take, but I'd personally be a little annoyed if her crush on Deku didn't matter to her to some extent. If she was established to have a crush on Deku, and she ignored it, and it never came up again for the rest of the story, I'd be left wondering why it was introduced to begin with. I'd prefer if her crush was relevant in some ways, but certainly not all the ways, kinda like how it is now.
@@silveratlas2706 I agree with you, also it seems like people complain about this when a female character has a crush on the main character. I don't see anybody complaining about bakugo spending the entirety of season 1 and 2 pushing deku down and being violently insecure and jealous of him. Bakugo doesn't even have his own villain rival, his story is related to dekus as they both wanted to be like all might but in different ways. Of course he got development and everyone knows that, ochako has had hers too, but simply because she's in LOVE is why people look at her and scoff. Chorus made some good points that she could have been utilized better, but with such a large cast the focus can't always be kept on her. But he also missed a massive point in regarding her bout with toga. On the surface, it looks indeed the way he presented it, two girls in love with the same boy but one is a psychopathic version of the other, as the rivalry grows with twice gone, it becomes more about seeing the perspective of the villains, chorus talked about it but because deku is getting into a similar situation he undermines it. She's a solid character and the only reason she's forgotten despite having done some heavy lifting in the manga, is because the Fandom likes their hot dudes (despite most being teenagers but it seems that most fangirls are teens themselves) Those guys are developed a lot sure, but you can't deny that someone like kirishima,who practically dipped out of the story since the war arc, is still popular among fans.
@@skyruins trust me there are a lot of people who still don't understand Bakugo.
I hope you never end up meeting them, they have such a hate boner for him because he is generally the most popular.
I still don't understand how so many fans put the first three seasons at such a high pedistal, even tho they had their faults too, especially with the way they portray female characters compared to the rest of the series.
Like, legit, there are so many deamining moments in season 2 especially (mostly involving Mineta of course).
While Uraraka and Momo get at least character arcs and Mt Lady does it intentionally in the first episode the others get treated really badly a lot of the time.
I'm so glad the series mostly shifted away from that from season 4 onwards : giving us such a well realized character like Eri, giving Jiro an awesome arc,showing off a lot of them in JT and the war arc, giving Uraraka more interesting goals,fleshing out Toga, introducing badass characters like Mirko, Nagant and Star and Stripes and generally toning down Mineta a lot.
Like, Idk what Mina made Mineta watch after JT but since then he has been much more tolerable.
Could the series have done more?
Sure!
But right now is it so problematic as a lot of people say?
Not even close.
I have a pretty much the same idea as yours on Uraraka's character. I really, really loved her in the early MHA. When she started to develop a feeling for Deku, I still tolerated it. But damn, what a downhill her character development has became. In my perspective, Uraraka changed her goal being a hero from getting money to help her parents to a hero who wants to save other heroes is just her coping mechanism to mask her true feelings and love for Deku. She doesn't want that feeling to interfere her career as a hero by turning that feeling into a "heroic" way. Yet she doesn't realize that her new goal is exclusively for Deku, as you said in this video. I hoped she just confess to Deku during the School Cultural Festival arc but Horikoshi decided to not do it.
Aoyama always breaking the 4th wall is my favorite thing and literally being horikoshi for 5 seconds to implant the uraraka ship mindset was hilariously depressing.
Edit: Pierre Laval??? This took me out ☠☠☠
Was waiting for someone to catch that.
Didn't care much for her at first but the more I saw people hating on her for dumb reasons the more I started to appreciate her. Yes, she's far from being great and Yes, everything well written about her was erased but she is still a genuinely sweet person I enjoy her dedication in saving others.Hell I don't mind if it becomes canon but it's still a shame that it ended up taking most of her story. I'm also glad that despite this, a lot of fans cosplay her, draw her, and even rewrite her story.
"Mirodiya has the strongest super power, connection"
God that line is cold
At this point what character wasn’t ruined by shipping?!
*what show wasn't ruined by shipping?!
The less important Class 1A characters like Koda, since no one ships them lmao.
@General Synnacle and Sato.
shoji, tokoyami (kinda), koda, sato, ojiro, hagakure, aoyama, tsuyu. they’re lesser characters in class 1-a so less fans
@@nattyism I really don't think Tsu is in the same boat as them-
I know this is supposed to be a serious video but I lost it when he called Shoto "diet Zuko"💀
In my opinion, the Bnha fandom has kinda split off into three groups. The shippers. The casual fan. And those that have gone off with the settings and characters and have made new stories that do good on the premise of a superhero society after realising that the original series started to fall off during the 3rd season.
I feel like some of the opinions made in this video would be different after seeing the recent manga chapters since MHA just finished and she had a HUGE role. (not saying this in a negative way)