any argument that is affiliated to the same thinking level of hasan and poki is like talking to a brick wall. They'll either change narratives or use illogical claims to back their ultra biased statements 💀
@@smeersmcdunkurmom Yeah. Also it is sad to see hasan's editor having such empty and simply retarded takes (if you can even call them takes). It is no wonder tho because my brain would be rotten too after having to watch hasan's streams...
@@smeersmcdunkurmomasan has a view closer to Charlie’s though and Poki’s view was basically if ain’t broke don’t fix it and that chasing money or selling out when you already have enough money isn’t worth it. Given she wouldn’t rely on viewers as much but also viewers don’t need to sub to watch and she has a contract with twitch already that pays her more than enough that she probably doesn’t need revenue from subs anyway. Kinda cringe take on your part
Charlie is right on this one. But saying that his issue is dealing with hypocrites is hilarious considering he was outed as a hypocrite and instead of admitting it and trying to change he played the victim and manipulate his audience onto believing so.
@@arandom18yearold77wdym? He said that Idubbbz shouldn't have apologized, he had nothing to apologize about. He's a content creator and can change whatever content he wants to upload and not care about viewer sentiments on his old self
Ita what they all do and it frustrates me to no end to watch people be so openly disingenuous, at worst numb skulled because they completely miss the point.
I say her days are numbered if she doesn't do somthing new. I can't survive with just your old customers they will die off. Once she hits the wall it's gonna be hard.
And dude, you're watching someone RIGHT NOW who works for Google? Alphabet (the parent company) owns RUclips. So is this channel compromised too? A shill for big tech? This take is so fucking dumb. People just don't understand how the world works. Like it's up to an individual to pick which of the 3 multi-billion dollar corporations to be a member of.
He possesses the rare ability to see both sides of whatever the drama is and provide his own thoughts which usually come from logic rather than emotion.
"You are instead fighting the ghost of words you put in my mouth." Charlie just summed up what arguing with twitter people is like in the most concise and accurate way possible, and only did it with one sentence. I know "strawman" is the usual term for this behavior, but I feel like, even it doesn't describe the mental gymnastics these people are capable of.
I made the mistake of telling a genshin player that its not homophobic to ship a character thats only implied to be gay with a character that has no implied sexuality as a straight ship, they continued to say we are being "lesbophobic" (not a word?) and you cant ship characters they think are gay with characters that are straight, but you can ship straight characters as gay, the mind games are REAL. I didnt think the genshin community is that bad, but when you get to the shippers its just a cess pit, stay away from those people especially.
@@fluidwolf Shippers have always been the bane of any community, but for some reason they're obsessed with identity politics now and use that to excuse their insanely toxic behaviour.
this shit Is what triggers me so much. it's the main reason why I don't argue at all with people anymore. you will come at them with facts and logic. and they will ignore all of it and respond with like only one sentence from something they've cherrypicked. it's infuriating and just lets me know their brain capacity is microscopic lol
Poki was just being real with folks. She knows how the world actually works. You do have to nae nae your soul to bank roll millions. She wasn't insulting anyone for trying to make enough money to settle comfortably. She was clearly targetting those who burn through cash living up an unreasonable lifestyle, selling their soul to any entity that pays with little remorse for what the contracts entail. Any reasonable person WOULD sell their soul for 10M at Stake. Poki already had did the cringe ass nae ane dance for her millions. She doesn't need to dance it any more. I think you'll find that many famous and rich people had SOMEONE dirty their hands, if not themselves, to get them where they are. We are all cringe to someone. It's hard being cool enough for everyone. It's unreasonable goal. I would love to see you try.
@@TheOnlyBiodudeThat’s not what she said at all though. She said that moving to Kick would be compromising to her ethics. But she still has her Twitch partnership and has no need to give it up. Effectively, this is the same as saying that her ethics align with those of Amazon and Jeff Bezos. Frankly, I would respect her more if she would just openly say “yeah the system is fucked up and I took advantage of it; it doesn’t feel right, but I don’t regret it” but that’s not what she’s saying. She’s trying to place herself on a moral high ground, which is just a silly stance when she’s already “nae nae’d her soul” as you put it.
This is really simple to explain: Twitch goes down in popularity, Hasan loses money for reduced audiences of drive-bys. The whole "understanding is hard when someone's bag is dependant on him not understanding" is 100% projection by Hasanpleb.
@@illuminahdeHe probably just has Homer Simpson syndrome: not much space for a typical human brain due to an abnormally thick skull that functions like a durable helmet in its own right. He could probably be hit square in the forehead with a rock and not even notice due to the extra layers of bone protecting a brain smaller than a walnut (and somehow possessing less nervous functions than one).
Im sorry to whoever chooses to battle Charlie in an argument. Its literally the worst thing you can do to yourself. Charlie wull sometimes even come to your house, float through your wall, tickle you and hand you the L himself. And i love the fact hes so composed while he is arguinf eith morons like the Hasan Editor.
Careful, watching too much hasan like that editor prolly makes him believe he gain unfounded knowledge. Just kidding just a cringe guy who is one-sided, tunnel visioning and a schizo arguer.
Pokimane has always had terrible takes and horrible control over her ego. I'm honestly getting sick of people giving her passes when she does some wild shit, though this was just a case of a bad take.
One of my biggest internet pet peeves is when people go “Haha your messages are long therefore your argument is less valid by default” and then only address like 1 or 2 of the points they made. It’s such a mindless and childish point for how often I see it, and for whatever reason it only really happens in comments and tweets and not videos. I guess people are just too lazy to read so they expect everyone to make everything they say short and easily digestible?
that's so true bro, i see this stupid stuff so often on twitter, especially from conservatives interestingly enough, the way they aproach debates most of the time on twitter is genuinely childish.
I completely agree. When I first started this video, my thoughts were like "damn, so you gotta be a big influencer like Charlie to have your words mean something, " but then I realized it doesn't matter if you're famous, idiots are always going to be idiots no matter how much common sense you throw at them.
I honestly can’t wait for Charlie presumably coming video on this “So as usual I was taking a fat dookie when I made the mistake I constantly make on the toilet, I looked at Twitter…”
And when he isn’t, 99 times out of a hundred he responds to it with either running back his statements with reasoning as to why he was wrong or leaving it at “agree to disagree, both opinions are valid”
@hyva7229 Because Charlie is not trying to be put on a pedestal by his viewers. He's a person who can make mistakes or have bad opinions, and he constantly tells his audience not to put him on a pedestal since other youtubers who don't do such will have the Dream situation with his stans
He just knows how to debate. Stay on point. Be logical and stick to the facts. The moment you step off of the path is the moment you lose. Coincidentally, iut is also the moment people get overly emotional and start to scream and yell. Usually comes in the form of being called a "racist" or "Homophobe" even though you said nothing on the subject matter!
Trust me, Hasan, just like his connections through The Young Turks, literally named after a genocide that the group has only just began to acknowledge, aren't Socialists or Communists, they are what one would call a champagne Socialist. He is a grifter Capitalist that takes advantage of his young audience's naivety for profit. He complains about wealth disparity while owning a mansion and dozens of luxury cars that he continuously brags about on his streams and social media. He argues against company exploitation and human rights violations committed by these companies yet shills and directly collaborates with Amazon, one of the worst violators in both categories. He argues about the social class struggle while he is probably one of the most privileged groups on the planet (from a socio-economic and political stance), though he will spout how discriminated he is. There are many more discrepancies between what he claims to fight for and support and what he actually is but it would take an entire doctorate's research paper to go over. For instance, we could discuss how he is part of the political homogeneity which represents the establishment corporations and supported almost ubiquitously by the wealthy elites and global power moguls yet claims that he represents the peasantry. He uses the luxuries of Capitalism to espouse the greatness of Socialism, all of the countries which throughout history decayed into an authoritarian dictatorship, with a crumbling economy constantly bouncing between hyper-inflation and recessions, and some of the worst offenses of human rights violations and wealth gaps between economic classes, far worse than what Capitalism ever had, to turn a profit on dreamers; he literally runs ads and shills for corporations more than any other Twitch streamer in existence.
That’s why mental gymnastics is invented. It allows you to ignore criticism from others while continuing to die on a hill that contains a terrible opinion
Hisan's editor is exactly the type of person you see tweeting things on Twitter and losing an argument. They ignore everything and then try to insert their own opinions into someone elsess mouth or strait up gaslight.
Totally agree with Charlie, his points were pretty dang clear. It amazes me people try to say someone is stupid/doesn't get something because they forgot how to read more than 2 sentences. Anyone who says crap like "paragraph lul" and "you really had to exceed word limit huh" I tend to not take seriously. They only aim to cause discourse, not have legitimate discussions.
I hate those people, they won't read your argument because it's too "long" (often it's not even long in the slightlest), and when you call them out for not addressing your points they go "brevity is the soul of cleverness". That only works when you made a good counter-argument, mockery is not arguing at all even if it's shorter. These people really think that mocking everyone they disagree with without actually addressing their points makes them "clever", as if it isn't the easiest (and most childish) thing in the world.
@@inendlesspain4724thats a sign of them being a dumbass. Idiot even has the balls to send screenshots when that shit isnt even doing anything to counter the opposing side. Its always those dumbass that seeing a lengthy arguement feels like they are back against the and only thing they could response is by nitpicking senseless shit in the arguement such as spellings, word count, and grammars. Like "Wow, is this all you could come up for?" Every points you made flew pass their heads.
Dude literally said "Hey, don't call that company evil when our company is just as evil." Like... Okay? I guess that's a good point but... C'mon man. Change your priorities.
I fucking love Charlie. He can always go from "He's pulling his cock out!!!!" To usually making some really great points, being wise, and calls out on other people's bs.
This is why i love Charlie. Hes composed, well spoken and actually makes good points while the other usually ends up just doing exactly what hasans editor is doing here.
Oh he gets it, he is just being willfully ignorant. He would rather argue a wrong point, knowing he is wrong, than admit to being wrong. Typical comment section argument.
As someone who worked at an amazon warehouse and experienced firsthand how terrible they are to workers, at this point id rather support a gambling site than amazon even though they’re both bad. I have permanent health issues from working at amazon, and they overworked us so badly that I actually had TWO MINISTROKES in my time working there due to overheating, overworking, and not having enough time to drink water or use the bathroom without being penalized. Two ministrokes at the age of 20, that’s how much of a sweatshop amazon is. I was hallucinating and slurring my words, my face was sunken and twitching and the on-site safety worker had to personally drive me to the emergency room. They paid 17.25 an hour which is really good, but little did I know that all of the money I made at amazon would end up going towards my medical bills for the next year. Not only did I go into debt and become homeless because of amazon, I still deal with chronic life altering illnesses due to working there. Which pretty much makes it a gambling-tier issue. People are just picking sides because they like to feel like they’re “right” and “moral” over other people. Either that, or they’re just completely ignorant to how bad amazon is. People have died at amazon and nobody even knows that because they try so hard to cover up anything that could make them look bad. They lure you in with good pay even without qualifications (preying on the most financially vulnerable, they don’t even interview you, they just do a mouth swab drug test and you’re hired), diversity, free shoes, fancy breakrooms stocked with food. They don’t tell you that your entire paycheck will end up going to their amazon care doctors because they won’t let you get worker’s compensation unless you meet a very specific nearly impossible list of requirements to prove that amazon was responsible for your injury or illness. At least kick is straight up about what they do, and give people the option to support their favorite streamers without participating in that part of their business.
@@lukerichardson6084 feels important to share when ppl defending amazon don’t seem to be able to grasp the kind of things a company that massive is capable of Idek why its a debate some of these big streamers seem to be so sheltered n out of touch that they don’t realize money has more power than the law when it comes to business, doesn’t help anyone to minimize a type of corruption jus to prove a point ab another type of corruption lol. Goofy
A lot of times when you say a business is immoral, people assume the unethical issues only happen overseas in associated sweatshops and automatically decide that they don't care. Not only is that in itself fucked up (refusing to care if the workers whose rights are violated aren't from your country) but it's also naive to think that Amazon isn't actively committing horrific acts in your own home country as well.
@@morganicsmoothie964 You’re absolutely right! And if this is how it is here in the US, imagine how bad it must be in countries that are more unregulated when it comes to labor laws and safety. It’s horrific to think that my experiences at amazon are only the tip of the iceberg. It’s easy to ignore corruption until you see and feel it firsthand. Only thing this debate has revealed is how ignorant ppl are when it comes to things that don’t directly affect them. Lot of workers wont even say anything because they’re so used to being manipulated and mistreated and they tell themselves “it’s just how it is, nobody cares and there’s nothing i can do, I need to work harder. my coworkers seem to be handling this, so why cant i? I need to put my head down, fix my mindset, the harder i work the stronger i am right?” I hate throwing around psych terms like this, but workers really do get gaslit into thinking its okay to be physically and mentally abused because of all these “perks” and “opportunities” that amazon waves in front of your face like a carrot on a stick. There’s propaganda-like posters everywhere, they have these almost comedic corporate meetings to make you focus on “positivity” and “teamwork” etc. The juxtaposition of the experience vs the brainwashing would be almost laughable if it wasn’t so effective. To this day my rational mind tells me that I nearly died in that warehouse, but my emotional mind tells me that I miss working there sometimes, or that I might’ve been overreacting despite ending up in hospital on multiple occasions. If that’s not a result of corporate brainwashing then idk what is. Ofc people will minimize the corruption if even the workers are trained DAILY to minimize their own experience. This shit runs deep and I hope more people start speaking on it
Hassan’s editor a true definition of being a gaslighter. Rather than countering arguments that exposes the truth, he instead tries to blow it off while also trying to make excuses to make the “competitor” look like the “true villain”. That’s like saying the Power Balance bracelets “definitely help make you feel active and lose weight” while also, deflecting and avoiding counter arguments about them being “useless rubber bracelets for decoration”.
@@JasonsWeirdPizz nah, that implies their brains are bigger and full of something. I would say a better description is an acorn. Small and mostly hollow.
Its always so funny when a part of someone's response or point back is "Woah thats a big paragraph you typed" or "you didnt have to go over the word limit" Like how brain dead you gotta be to use the fact that they have so much to say and inform on a topic where as you only spoke like 15 words as a point of interests in an argument.
They immediately jump to personal attacks once they've lost the argument, this is beyond common. Not only that, he did the classic "if i have to explain it, you are the problem" NO MOTHERFUCKER, thats a cop out to say i dont know how to give a better argument so im just going to call everyone who disagrees dumb or paid off. These tactics are so common place and such cop outs, and everybody who results to belittling instead of reasoning and logical arguments are scum bags who you shouldn't be trust with your life as they'd backstab you the moment it benefits them, fucking pigs the lot of them and this may come off heated but its so common place and one of the most destructive parts of dialogue, ruining conversations and turning it into incoherent screaming matches and tribalism. Stop appealing to a side and come up with your own opinion for gods sake.
"They are arguing a version of me they made in my mind" I get that sh!t _all_ the time. Most people can't handle their ideas being systematically defeated. Instead of accepting the fact that they were wrong, they turtle and start making stuff up.
I don't really watch Charlie, only seen a few of his videos, but I often hear him getting called out for bullshit he doesn't deserve. He honestly seems like a genuinely wise person, which he shows here, and if he usually is then I can definitely respect that.
he can be kinda hit an miss for me. most of the time i totally agree with him, but theres been a couple times where he's been absolutely wrong on something and just refuses to admit it or address it further. he's more often correct than not, but when its not it seems worse
@@luc410 you got some examples because i cant think of a time where ive genuinely whole sale disagreed with him, which is wierd for me as theres usually atleast something i disagree with with people i watch, but i cant seem to find a bad thing hes said that he hasnt corrected. Just curious to find any is all.
It's funny how Charlie makes well articulated and thoughtful responses while the other dude is just making passive-aggressive posts while basically saying, "You're wrong, I'm right"
The guy immediately lost when he said "People who stream on Kick are bad people" That's like me saying people who eat at sushi restaurants are appropriating Asian culture.
I guarantee some loser neck beard with no life on twitter thinks eating sushi is cultural appropriation. Hell I had a dumb bitch on Facebook try to tell a white dude wearing a bonnet was cultural appropriation. This is when I believe eugenics to be morally just.
Ahh yes, Pokimane. The very definition of moral. Sorry, but I could exactly hear her words over the loud echos of her past actions countering her statement.
@@4cps777 honey, the problem that sparked it was how she insulted everyone on kick. The whole point of charlie's 3 paragraphs were to explain how twitch ain't better than kick in moral high ground. So no, she is not, as a matter of fact, right. Twitch isn't the undeniable moral choice.
It was pretty uncomfortable trying to watch her validate her moral superiority and berate those going to Kick. I'm not aware of all her prior shenanigans, but she just came across very passive-aggressive and snide. Hope that she can get off the high horse and understand she also works for a company that doesn't allow humane breaks for its staff.
I don't always agree with Charlie 100% of the time, but ngl, you're asking for yourself to be humiliated if you're trying to challenge this guy on subject. He will pick apart and destroy everything you say in spectacular fashion.
Yea, and I can respect that he doesn't expect people to agree with him 100% of the time. He paints the world in the moral grey that it is instead of using straw men to ride a high horse. He isn't condemning Twitch streamers, but asking why Twitch streamers would condemn Kick as if Amazon is a better company?
@@kylesmith7413 And its a good question to ask. Streamers complain about all the crap Twitch has been trying to do to screw them over, especially recently with the stuff with sponsors/ads and then they mysteriously forget and act like Twitch is a good pure platform whenever alternatives (whether just as bad or better) like Kick come up. Twitch will continue to do whatever they want to you as long as you let them continue to have a vice grip on your balls. They need competition and if RUclips streaming doesn't step it up somewhere else is going to have to.
@@kylesmith7413Nuance is dead nowadays, Both by people saying it is all the while watching the world in black and white and by people who say not supporting one side (which is their own) is allowing the bad guys to win, Nuance wasn't just dead, it was raped, sodomized and beaten to death until it was stuffed inside a drum to be thrown off a cliff.
I mean, when you openly call the company you work "evil" and "human rights violators," and proceed to keep working for them for going on a decade, it's pretty cringe. It'd be like Russian commandos calling out their country's totalitarian policies before immediately deploying to assault the Ukraine. Lol. All these streamers and RUclipsrs are trying to maintain the high ground when they're all guilty of the same shit.
@@jtdarelli2362 I mean if you live in America then you do realise that its a nation built on slavery right? Why so you continue to live there? It's a dumb take from you he wasn't defending himself about being on twitch he realises what I kind of company that's backing it is but as it stands twitch is still the platform with arguably the best streaming tools than anywhere else, sure it may change but where else do you think he's supposed to go? Not to mention you are using youtube backed by google which itself is not a morally sound company so yeah figure the irony.
Not exactly a high bar; just disagree with them on anything (which is easy because twitter users are insane) and that's enough for them to wish death upon you.
I never really understood the mentality present in Warhammer 40k when characters say "purge (them, it, that place, etc) in holy fire." .... and then I started paying more attention to Twitter. Brother, we need a flamer. A heavy flamer.
The man had the balls to quote "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his bags depends on his not understanding it" but somehow not realize the irony of him doing exactly that? Was that a self-report?
Complete evisceration is the only way these type of people understand that they might be wrong. Being delusional about yourself and the world is being promoted and excepted more and more nowadays.
That's a massive L for Hasan's editor for this exchange. Ignoring some of Charlie's points and making straw man arguments for something Charlie never said or even condones isn't even debating, but that's probably the norm for Twitter 'debates' though, and just disregarding a lot of what Charlie has to say by a 'tweet too long' joke just shows that Hasan's editor was never even willing to debate or be open for opposing views from his own.
If Pokimane's "morals" compels her to shill for Amazon, that doesn't speak highly of her moral code. I would prefer if she was honest and stopped virtue signaling
As someone raised with three sisters, Pokimaine is absolutely jealous. And also insecure. That’s why she mentioned “And it’s not because I have ten million dollars” That woman is seething.
Simping I guess Maybe its just the angle (and her voice) but honestly she’s not as attractive as people make her out to be. She definitely cute but I don’t get the hype.
I don’t get it 😭 I’m gay so I’m not really attracted to women but I can atleast see how others find women attractive. Her I just don’t understand she seems like a jerk
Charlie has way more patience engaging in this discussion than most, and he definitely was doing his best in those responses to be straightforward with his reasoning. He was merely pointing out that standing on a taller pile of shit than others around you doesn't give you the moral high ground. It just gives you shittier shoes when someone notices.
Gotta agree with Charlie on this one, Amazon and Stake are unfortunately both bad and people seem to forget that about Amazon and give Twitch a free pass. I wouldn't fault someone for jumping between the two.
Also Amazon is 1000x worse than a gambling company. The gambling company takes advantage of people who knowingly sign up despite knowing the risks of gambling. Amazon takes advantage of thousands of workers and distributes the products of goods exploited from millions in underprivileged countries just so they can squeeze out as much profit as possible (which is used to invest in side projects such as twitch)
amazing video ngl, but what got me is that you're the first guy that I've seen to use HoI4 footage as the background of one of these types of videos. amazing work bro!
You know, if she just said "Nah i'm comfortable with this, it's cool" Instead of talking about morals and being herself, etc etc At least her ego is more realistic than her personality
One of the most insufferable things to do in a discussion is to gloss over crucial points being made. They're actively just trying to have a bad faith discussion at that point.
Unfortunately this is always the case, especially in gaming circles. How many people keep criticizing one company for garbage practice, but when the company linked to their favorite, or in some content creators case: job, does the same thing they bend over backwards to defend it. It's because this is so common in the gaming community I never expect any meaningful change to happen from them.
No, both sides are not the same level as bad.. Amazon abusing employees while being the number 1 online shopping site in the world is not anywhere near comparable to stake which their number 1 goal is to get people addicted to casino gambling and to bankrupt them..
Nope fitting her and hissan are both good pals as they both don't. But both love to act like they're better than everyone, the pinnacles of human garbage.
@@Foxtrox7616 she went after ItsGundams sponsors because he made fun of one of her donors. She's very insecure. It's also cute how you think someone saying the n word who isn't black is okay
There’s actually a specific word for what this editor is doing. I learned it in ethics. It’s called a “strawman fallacy” and is one of many logical fallacies people use in arguments to deflect or manipulate. It’s like telling a parent something they did that upset you and them going “oh so I’m a bad mom?”
Dude, I followed Charlie back when he was just Cr1TiKaL and didn't show his face. To see how big he's become since the days of playing Winnie the Pooh Homerun Derby is absolutely crazy. I'm so glad he's remained level-headed after seeing success.
Yeah hasan's editor didn't really explain his point well. What he's trying to say is that Adin Ross was literally paid off by Stake to advertise gambling to minors, and he's been very open to admitting this in the past and present. At the same time, Charlie makes a good point about both companies being at equal evil. Both sites do shitty things, although in my opinion, the dealbreaker was Kick completely allowing Adin Ross to roam free and spew hate speech on the platform. He's broken TOS so many times on basis of hate speech and Kick just turns their heads the other way while he incites violence against trans people.
@@Frickno-fl9ulI thought Twitch has had a very similar issue with TOS violations, people like Adin Ross inciting violence against trans + queer + etc folks many times over in the recent past. Back when CSGO Gambling sites and kickbacks from those gambling sites were a big thing, streamers funneled a ton of minors into 3rd party gambling sites, gacha games, etc. and also IP2 streamers like IcePoseidon, Bladee, (or others associated with the ip2 RV gang) I believe came back multiple times from being banned for their irl stunts involving text to speech and b*mb threats. Twitch is no different. Same monster, different color. They just have more $ to moderate and censor nowadays.
@@Tayl0r_ While it is true that Twitch has had these people in their past, a good lot of them are now permanently banned from the platform. Twitch is usually nowadays good at actually enforcing their guidelines on things like hate speech. I do know this happened in the past, however it doesn't match what is happening in the modern day. However, Adin Ross is still inciting violence against various minorities on Kick, and has been "threatened". he was signed on the platform a month before so obviously nothing will come from it. In my opinion a company that used to do these things is better than a company that endorses, signs on creators, encourages and is too spineless to even think about banning creators who promote hate speech. In other words, Twitch just has better moderation and morals coming to minority hate speech.
@@Frickno-fl9ul Just wait. This company is a few years behind due to the fact they are new to a well established market, and do not have the budget twitch/amazon does rn. It’s not fair to equate them in a 1:1 comparison. However Twitch is no different, do not disillusion yourself. The difference between the two platforms is only money/income, and time. The only reason Twitch has better moderation is due to the pressure they’re under since they have a monopoly on the market, therefore more advertizers and stockholders to please. If Kick had the same resources (and scrutiny), it would be no different. All these streaming services are a cancer and you should not be as comfortable as you are rn.
7:24 it is truly insufferable but contagiously inevitable how maddening that is online at times. I mean it's not so far from just on twitter anymore as you can encounter that too right here on YT sometimes.
She could of just said that she’s fine where she is and just wants to stay loyal to twitch but no, gotta take every opportunity to virtue signal and show how much of a great person she is. God i hate these people do much. Twitch was a mistake.
@@dominickwest7558 Its like stating the obvious to make yourself look better, Like a dude hopping on twitter and going “RaPe iS bAD ReSpeCt WomEn” LIKE YEAH NO SHIT LOL😭
She had it till she started going on about morals and ethics. I don’t mind people streaming on the platforms they want to, but trying to appear holier than thou is not the way to say no.
What I understand from pokimane and the editor is "we're already on top with all the money we want and we don't want to try and climb back up" and "that's our competitors so of course we gotta fight for our team" the internet's 1%
“you’re fighting a ghost of words you put in my mouth” perfectly encapsulates the most frustrating part of any sort of debate-be it online or in person
Can we just appreciate Hei here, it’s genuinely like watching the news when I was little but it’s actually relevant to my 18yr old brain, I don’t use twitter at all so its nice hearing about these updates ON TIME as they’re happening, anyways more crazy stuff and I look forward to the next segment
It is hilarious that hasans editor does not once acknowledge Amazon being an evil ass corporate business. Then he throws out a stupid ass quote and then complains that someone "went over the word limit." Addresses none of his points, and the only one he did address in the screenshot just confirms what he is saying. A literal walking L, if I've ever seen one before. The worst thing, is that he probably knows that, but he won't learn anything from this or even concede on any point Charlie makes. It's oh so important he is morally superior and in his mind right.
Leftists are intelligent considering they acknowledge science and basic human rights, so no. This is just one person. People who like Hasan have nothing to do with this.
Not to mention that clip was from when Hassn and Poki; two “intellectuals” argue morality with xQc who often advertises himself as partially brain dead. It was amazing how well Felix handled himself against all the strawmen they threw his way.
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Charlie’s first mistake was expecting to have a normal discussion on Twitter
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any argument that is affiliated to the same thinking level of hasan and poki is like talking to a brick wall. They'll either change narratives or use illogical claims to back their ultra biased statements 💀
@@smeersmcdunkurmom Yeah. Also it is sad to see hasan's editor having such empty and simply retarded takes (if you can even call them takes). It is no wonder tho because my brain would be rotten too after having to watch hasan's streams...
@@smeersmcdunkurmomasan has a view closer to Charlie’s though and Poki’s view was basically if ain’t broke don’t fix it and that chasing money or selling out when you already have enough money isn’t worth it. Given she wouldn’t rely on viewers as much but also viewers don’t need to sub to watch and she has a contract with twitch already that pays her more than enough that she probably doesn’t need revenue from subs anyway. Kinda cringe take on your part
Twitter is for memes, vids of people popping in condoms to ragebait people, trolling.
Charlies issue is he's making logical arguments to open hypocrites who couldn't function logically if forced.
Charlies's issue is being on twitter in the first place. It's full of people who are very aggressive and think they're more right than everyone is.
Charlie is right on this one. But saying that his issue is dealing with hypocrites is hilarious considering he was outed as a hypocrite and instead of admitting it and trying to change he played the victim and manipulate his audience onto believing so.
He's not making the comments for the smooth brains. It definitely wakes people up
@@captainvanisher988 Explain?
A brief summary to that situation would be nice
@captainvanisher988 can you elaborate or point me to something where he was outed as a hypocrate. I'm interested about what you're talking about?
Charlie is smart and the others are idiots. It seems that rationality has died for the majority of the human population.
that's what happens when you constantly consume liberal main stream media.
It do be like dat sometimes
He was not that smart in iddubz situation tho 🤣
@@arandom18yearold77wdym? He said that Idubbbz shouldn't have apologized, he had nothing to apologize about.
He's a content creator and can change whatever content he wants to upload and not care about viewer sentiments on his old self
@@arandom18yearold77 his take was great, i just wish he didnt take it back after getting flamed
"You aren't actually even engaging with anything im saying and instead fighting a ghost of words you put in my mouth" was so spot on
Strawman arguments.
Ita what they all do and it frustrates me to no end to watch people be so openly disingenuous, at worst numb skulled because they completely miss the point.
@@gobalbucs hasan editor is like only read the news title and done didnt read the full article
@@gobalbucshow is it a strawman argument? Do you even know what a strawman is?
He got him good with that one lol
I can't get over people who work for amazon condemning the lack of morality of others. Like bro, what?
Rich people try have high moral while doesn't have to work
They think gambling is highly illegal and a lot more worse than Amazon's corporate slavery practice
@@gamercow4297Rich people try to have high morals while not having to work ..." Is
probably true not gonna lie
Socialists and morality?....
Tbh almost no company in the world cares abour morals.
This is why I love the Moist Man, he never fails to be honest and direct. He is a real one.
He turned a Moby huge dildo into a go-cart, he not only has the right opinion but his other ideas are usually entertaining
man never had invalid opinions, he is always right. love the guy
@scented_meat even if he isn't right, he will gladly admit he is wrong if he finds himself to be wrong.
@bread9923 not only that but when he is wrong he actually has arguments for it. He just doesn't hide like poki is in this situation
He is a certified chad
Compromise her morals? She works for Amazon
Don't forget the whole situation with Gundam
@@VincoVenator she's a brat who can't take criticism
I say her days are numbered if she doesn't do somthing new. I can't survive with just your old customers they will die off. Once she hits the wall it's gonna be hard.
@@VincoVenatorEnlight me brother, I'm ignorant about internet dramas.
And dude, you're watching someone RIGHT NOW who works for Google? Alphabet (the parent company) owns RUclips. So is this channel compromised too? A shill for big tech? This take is so fucking dumb. People just don't understand how the world works. Like it's up to an individual to pick which of the 3 multi-billion dollar corporations to be a member of.
Charlie's only mistake is making a logical argument to Hasan Simp. Those guys are clowns. 😂
Him being a "Hasan simp" has nothing to do with this.
And Hasan is the whole Circus!
One guy is all the Hasan fans right?
@@rileysjonger4192It does
@@Demonmack0 One guy is a good _representation_ of all the Hasan fans: Easily triggered
Charlie always seems to be the most logical dude in the room when it comes to any sort of drama lol
He possesses the rare ability to see both sides of whatever the drama is and provide his own thoughts which usually come from logic rather than emotion.
Nah. D angelo wallace destroyed him
yeah except his take on idubbz
Most of the time
florida man uses facts and logic
"You are instead fighting the ghost of words you put in my mouth."
Charlie just summed up what arguing with twitter people is like in the most concise and accurate way possible, and only did it with one sentence. I know "strawman" is the usual term for this behavior, but I feel like, even it doesn't describe the mental gymnastics these people are capable of.
I made the mistake of telling a genshin player that its not homophobic to ship a character thats only implied to be gay with a character that has no implied sexuality as a straight ship, they continued to say we are being "lesbophobic" (not a word?) and you cant ship characters they think are gay with characters that are straight, but you can ship straight characters as gay, the mind games are REAL.
I didnt think the genshin community is that bad, but when you get to the shippers its just a cess pit, stay away from those people especially.
@@EyesDontCry Shippers are their own special level of hell
@@fluidwolf Shippers have always been the bane of any community, but for some reason they're obsessed with identity politics now and use that to excuse their insanely toxic behaviour.
this shit Is what triggers me so much. it's the main reason why I don't argue at all with people anymore. you will come at them with facts and logic. and they will ignore all of it and respond with like only one sentence from something they've cherrypicked. it's infuriating and just lets me know their brain capacity is microscopic lol
@@EyesDontCryShippers in any community are always a basket case. Though Genshin's is definetly quite up there.
Pokimane calling other things cringe is irony at its finest.
Felt like she was reading a script
Your pfp pic is a classic 😄
I love that some still rock that PFP.
Poki was just being real with folks. She knows how the world actually works. You do have to nae nae your soul to bank roll millions. She wasn't insulting anyone for trying to make enough money to settle comfortably. She was clearly targetting those who burn through cash living up an unreasonable lifestyle, selling their soul to any entity that pays with little remorse for what the contracts entail. Any reasonable person WOULD sell their soul for 10M at Stake. Poki already had did the cringe ass nae ane dance for her millions. She doesn't need to dance it any more. I think you'll find that many famous and rich people had SOMEONE dirty their hands, if not themselves, to get them where they are. We are all cringe to someone. It's hard being cool enough for everyone. It's unreasonable goal. I would love to see you try.
@@TheOnlyBiodudeThat’s not what she said at all though. She said that moving to Kick would be compromising to her ethics. But she still has her Twitch partnership and has no need to give it up. Effectively, this is the same as saying that her ethics align with those of Amazon and Jeff Bezos. Frankly, I would respect her more if she would just openly say “yeah the system is fucked up and I took advantage of it; it doesn’t feel right, but I don’t regret it” but that’s not what she’s saying. She’s trying to place herself on a moral high ground, which is just a silly stance when she’s already “nae nae’d her soul” as you put it.
The problem with people getting into arguments with Charlie is that they are SO desperate to engage in a battle of wits they come unarmed every time.
It's like getting into a fight with John Wick unarmed, and he's also unarmed.
@@darkstarmediano weapons or no arms?
Nuance has died.
@@SomeoneNooneTomatoes stfu unfunny
@@GeometricPidgeonYep! That's pretty much the issue. Charlie here is showing nuance and people don't like that.
In his defense, it doesn't take much to make Twitter very upset
Twitter being aware of your existance is already enough most of the time anyway...
*it doesn't take anything
You only need 4 words to make twitter mad for example "theres only 2 genders"
Twitter is always upset, you can only influence who's targeted next by the hate mob
@@Decade332Very dull and unoriginal, but somehow works.
This is really simple to explain:
Twitch goes down in popularity, Hasan loses money for reduced audiences of drive-bys.
The whole "understanding is hard when someone's bag is dependant on him not understanding" is 100% projection by Hasanpleb.
So does it explain why Hasan keeps doing collabs and interviews (riding on) with other streamers/content creators
@@waterking74 Grifters always look for opportunities.
I love how poki suddenly has morals and ethics but has no problem streaming on twitch and has a literal trail of sketchy shit she's done.
Poki is just a giant hypocrite who loves being the victim.
@@polus3626☕
Average female with a following on twitch moment
@@noirua 😐 fr? in 2023?
What did she do tho? List everything in that trail instead of making empty statements
I expect nothing less from someone willing to work for Hasan
What is that guy's appeal anyways? I've only seen a few clips from him but he seems pretty douchey
Why is is head so small though? Did his brain stop growing very young?
@@illuminahdeHasan just WIDE bro, like wider than Kylo Ren
@@illuminahdeHe probably just has Homer Simpson syndrome: not much space for a typical human brain due to an abnormally thick skull that functions like a durable helmet in its own right.
He could probably be hit square in the forehead with a rock and not even notice due to the extra layers of bone protecting a brain smaller than a walnut (and somehow possessing less nervous functions than one).
his editor is vegan
Anything that triggers Twitter is certainly a Huge W
Yeah I agree
Andrew Tate is innocent
@@Ywthg5w6gwvyw Facts
@@Ywthg5w6gwvywyuck
@@techo5152 he would first need to prove that he actually is innocent
Im sorry to whoever chooses to battle Charlie in an argument. Its literally the worst thing you can do to yourself. Charlie wull sometimes even come to your house, float through your wall, tickle you and hand you the L himself. And i love the fact hes so composed while he is arguinf eith morons like the Hasan Editor.
Careful, watching too much hasan like that editor prolly makes him believe he gain unfounded knowledge. Just kidding just a cringe guy who is one-sided, tunnel visioning and a schizo arguer.
Why do I feel like you've had him do this to you? o.o
@@partyriolu ... haha of course not. never.
Fat thumbs moment
And people who fight resort to strawman arguments or “I’ll be you in a fight”. 😂😂😂
She’s the very definition of cringe and I don’t even use that term often.
Agreed with ya.
@@Just_a_guy_who_likes_stuff thanks
Yup, Either Hasan's Editor or Pokimane ( or both ), is very cringe on their takes
Fr tho
Pokimane has always had terrible takes and horrible control over her ego. I'm honestly getting sick of people giving her passes when she does some wild shit, though this was just a case of a bad take.
One of my biggest internet pet peeves is when people go “Haha your messages are long therefore your argument is less valid by default” and then only address like 1 or 2 of the points they made. It’s such a mindless and childish point for how often I see it, and for whatever reason it only really happens in comments and tweets and not videos. I guess people are just too lazy to read so they expect everyone to make everything they say short and easily digestible?
Cause they are brain dead activist Zoomers who can’t handle an actual argument
that's so true bro, i see this stupid stuff so often on twitter, especially from conservatives interestingly enough, the way they aproach debates most of the time on twitter is genuinely childish.
@@usernamelegend345 just dont be on Twitter like me thats it. Makes ur brain smaller from reading comments from those people
I completely agree. When I first started this video, my thoughts were like "damn, so you gotta be a big influencer like Charlie to have your words mean something, " but then I realized it doesn't matter if you're famous, idiots are always going to be idiots no matter how much common sense you throw at them.
It's not as bad as the "lmao so many people triggered" when you're called out for a shit take.
I honestly can’t wait for Charlie presumably coming video on this “So as usual I was taking a fat dookie when I made the mistake I constantly make on the toilet, I looked at Twitter…”
I love how charlie completely dismantles peoples arguments and makes them look foolish. Hes not always right but he usually always is
And when he isn’t, 99 times out of a hundred he responds to it with either running back his statements with reasoning as to why he was wrong or leaving it at “agree to disagree, both opinions are valid”
@@_hyva_ the idubbz one was the most baffling to me. Charlie was completely in the right there and he got shit thrown at him. It's sad.
"usually always"
@hyva7229 Because Charlie is not trying to be put on a pedestal by his viewers. He's a person who can make mistakes or have bad opinions, and he constantly tells his audience not to put him on a pedestal since other youtubers who don't do such will have the Dream situation with his stans
He just knows how to debate. Stay on point. Be logical and stick to the facts. The moment you step off of the path is the moment you lose. Coincidentally, iut is also the moment people get overly emotional and start to scream and yell. Usually comes in the form of being called a "racist" or "Homophobe" even though you said nothing on the subject matter!
I am amazed Charlie can remain so composed when talking to people who are only interested in attacking others.
nerves of steel
It's called having a rational mind. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are also calm in the face of aggresive people in a argument.
@@ohmielevisope4237ain't no way you compared charlie to Ben Shapiro. That's like comparing Morgan Freeman to Andrew tate
@@ultradeathboyTo have nerves of steel you shouldn't necessarily be a good person
@@ultradeathboy Ben Shapiro is good at debates lol. Doesn't mean he always makes sense tho.
the fact that bro is working for Hasan and simultaneously defending AMAZON is hilarious
Trust me, Hasan, just like his connections through The Young Turks, literally named after a genocide that the group has only just began to acknowledge, aren't Socialists or Communists, they are what one would call a champagne Socialist. He is a grifter Capitalist that takes advantage of his young audience's naivety for profit. He complains about wealth disparity while owning a mansion and dozens of luxury cars that he continuously brags about on his streams and social media. He argues against company exploitation and human rights violations committed by these companies yet shills and directly collaborates with Amazon, one of the worst violators in both categories. He argues about the social class struggle while he is probably one of the most privileged groups on the planet (from a socio-economic and political stance), though he will spout how discriminated he is. There are many more discrepancies between what he claims to fight for and support and what he actually is but it would take an entire doctorate's research paper to go over. For instance, we could discuss how he is part of the political homogeneity which represents the establishment corporations and supported almost ubiquitously by the wealthy elites and global power moguls yet claims that he represents the peasantry.
He uses the luxuries of Capitalism to espouse the greatness of Socialism, all of the countries which throughout history decayed into an authoritarian dictatorship, with a crumbling economy constantly bouncing between hyper-inflation and recessions, and some of the worst offenses of human rights violations and wealth gaps between economic classes, far worse than what Capitalism ever had, to turn a profit on dreamers; he literally runs ads and shills for corporations more than any other Twitch streamer in existence.
That’s why mental gymnastics is invented. It allows you to ignore criticism from others while continuing to die on a hill that contains a terrible opinion
1984 doublethink
She's made her entire career off of being cringe already. And morality? Ma'am, you work for Jeff "No, you can't use the bathroom" Bezos.
Jeff "No, you can't use the bathroom" Bezos lmao
Hisan's editor is exactly the type of person you see tweeting things on Twitter and losing an argument. They ignore everything and then try to insert their own opinions into someone elsess mouth or strait up gaslight.
I hope this editor takes this situation to improve at debating. It usually doesnt happen but I can only hope for the best.
@@hymol_1316hes not some random editor, its a HASAN editor, this man will never improve
Yeah, and if their opponent has some solid defence nd evidence, they block them
I like how Charlie is trying to logically argue with people who fight with their emotions.
Totally agree with Charlie, his points were pretty dang clear. It amazes me people try to say someone is stupid/doesn't get something because they forgot how to read more than 2 sentences. Anyone who says crap like "paragraph lul" and "you really had to exceed word limit huh" I tend to not take seriously. They only aim to cause discourse, not have legitimate discussions.
The internet in a nutshell tbh, I can't get into any internet discussion without people like ostonox just turning it into insults and jabs.
I hate those people, they won't read your argument because it's too "long" (often it's not even long in the slightlest), and when you call them out for not addressing your points they go "brevity is the soul of cleverness". That only works when you made a good counter-argument, mockery is not arguing at all even if it's shorter.
These people really think that mocking everyone they disagree with without actually addressing their points makes them "clever", as if it isn't the easiest (and most childish) thing in the world.
@@inendlesspain4724thats a sign of them being a dumbass. Idiot even has the balls to send screenshots when that shit isnt even doing anything to counter the opposing side.
Its always those dumbass that seeing a lengthy arguement feels like they are back against the and only thing they could response is by nitpicking senseless shit in the arguement such as spellings, word count, and grammars. Like "Wow, is this all you could come up for?" Every points you made flew pass their heads.
Dude literally said "Hey, don't call that company evil when our company is just as evil." Like... Okay? I guess that's a good point but... C'mon man. Change your priorities.
@@jtdarelli2362 damn that's crazy
I fucking love Charlie.
He can always go from "He's pulling his cock out!!!!"
To usually making some really great points, being wise, and calls out on other people's bs.
Dude is a goofy guy but he is not dumb by any means
@@fluidwolf he's a comedy genius.....not goofy at all.
@@fluidwolf "Reincarnation of Diogenes in the modern world"
This is why i love Charlie. Hes composed, well spoken and actually makes good points while the other usually ends up just doing exactly what hasans editor is doing here.
It’s sad that these people can’t even grasp what Charlie is saying when he’s literally just saying such basic logical things.
logic generally doesnt exist for communists
That’s the problem…. They don’t know what logic is
Oh he gets it, he is just being willfully ignorant. He would rather argue a wrong point, knowing he is wrong, than admit to being wrong. Typical comment section argument.
Charlie: Two things can be true. They can both be doing bad things.
Hassan's editor: nuh uhh
That's your mind on "if you aren't with us you're against us."
And it's also ironic he says this 6:42 considering he is Hasan's editor.
"It's ok when WE do it, but if YOU do it's evil and wrong."
Anyone that supports Hasan might actually just be braindead
@@achmedycreedoleast delusional hasan fan
As someone who worked at an amazon warehouse and experienced firsthand how terrible they are to workers, at this point id rather support a gambling site than amazon even though they’re both bad.
I have permanent health issues from working at amazon, and they overworked us so badly that I actually had TWO MINISTROKES in my time working there due to overheating, overworking, and not having enough time to drink water or use the bathroom without being penalized. Two ministrokes at the age of 20, that’s how much of a sweatshop amazon is. I was hallucinating and slurring my words, my face was sunken and twitching and the on-site safety worker had to personally drive me to the emergency room.
They paid 17.25 an hour which is really good, but little did I know that all of the money I made at amazon would end up going towards my medical bills for the next year.
Not only did I go into debt and become homeless because of amazon, I still deal with chronic life altering illnesses due to working there. Which pretty much makes it a gambling-tier issue.
People are just picking sides because they like to feel like they’re “right” and “moral” over other people. Either that, or they’re just completely ignorant to how bad amazon is.
People have died at amazon and nobody even knows that because they try so hard to cover up anything that could make them look bad. They lure you in with good pay even without qualifications (preying on the most financially vulnerable, they don’t even interview you, they just do a mouth swab drug test and you’re hired), diversity, free shoes, fancy breakrooms stocked with food. They don’t tell you that your entire paycheck will end up going to their amazon care doctors because they won’t let you get worker’s compensation unless you meet a very specific nearly impossible list of requirements to prove that amazon was responsible for your injury or illness.
At least kick is straight up about what they do, and give people the option to support their favorite streamers without participating in that part of their business.
It's good to get a first hand response on how corrupt Amazon actually is
@@lukerichardson6084 feels important to share when ppl defending amazon don’t seem to be able to grasp the kind of things a company that massive is capable of
Idek why its a debate some of these big streamers seem to be so sheltered n out of touch that they don’t realize money has more power than the law when it comes to business, doesn’t help anyone to minimize a type of corruption jus to prove a point ab another type of corruption lol. Goofy
A lot of times when you say a business is immoral, people assume the unethical issues only happen overseas in associated sweatshops and automatically decide that they don't care. Not only is that in itself fucked up (refusing to care if the workers whose rights are violated aren't from your country) but it's also naive to think that Amazon isn't actively committing horrific acts in your own home country as well.
@@morganicsmoothie964 You’re absolutely right! And if this is how it is here in the US, imagine how bad it must be in countries that are more unregulated when it comes to labor laws and safety. It’s horrific to think that my experiences at amazon are only the tip of the iceberg.
It’s easy to ignore corruption until you see and feel it firsthand. Only thing this debate has revealed is how ignorant ppl are when it comes to things that don’t directly affect them.
Lot of workers wont even say anything because they’re so used to being manipulated and mistreated and they tell themselves “it’s just how it is, nobody cares and there’s nothing i can do, I need to work harder. my coworkers seem to be handling this, so why cant i? I need to put my head down, fix my mindset, the harder i work the stronger i am right?”
I hate throwing around psych terms like this, but workers really do get gaslit into thinking its okay to be physically and mentally abused because of all these “perks” and “opportunities” that amazon waves in front of your face like a carrot on a stick. There’s propaganda-like posters everywhere, they have these almost comedic corporate meetings to make you focus on “positivity” and “teamwork” etc. The juxtaposition of the experience vs the brainwashing would be almost laughable if it wasn’t so effective.
To this day my rational mind tells me that I nearly died in that warehouse, but my emotional mind tells me that I miss working there sometimes, or that I might’ve been overreacting despite ending up in hospital on multiple occasions. If that’s not a result of corporate brainwashing then idk what is.
Ofc people will minimize the corruption if even the workers are trained DAILY to minimize their own experience. This shit runs deep and I hope more people start speaking on it
Hassan’s editor a true definition of being a gaslighter. Rather than countering arguments that exposes the truth, he instead tries to blow it off while also trying to make excuses to make the “competitor” look like the “true villain”. That’s like saying the Power Balance bracelets “definitely help make you feel active and lose weight” while also, deflecting and avoiding counter arguments about them being “useless rubber bracelets for decoration”.
If gaslighters gaslight, they shouldn't be surprised when it blows up in their face.
Common commie tactic.
Never argue on Twitter. They're strawmen.
if they only had a brain...
@@DarthZ01 Twitter's collective brain capacity is that of a walnut.
@@troybaxter a brick
@@JasonsWeirdPizz nah, that implies their brains are bigger and full of something. I would say a better description is an acorn. Small and mostly hollow.
@@troybaxter true
Throwing hands with Charlie on Twitter is like pulling up to a bazooka fight with a knife
I mean, just don't miss & your golden lol
Its always so funny when a part of someone's response or point back is "Woah thats a big paragraph you typed" or "you didnt have to go over the word limit" Like how brain dead you gotta be to use the fact that they have so much to say and inform on a topic where as you only spoke like 15 words as a point of interests in an argument.
Low IQ people love using the "ok nerd" debate tactic.
They immediately jump to personal attacks once they've lost the argument, this is beyond common.
Not only that, he did the classic "if i have to explain it, you are the problem" NO MOTHERFUCKER, thats a cop out to say i dont know how to give a better argument so im just going to call everyone who disagrees dumb or paid off.
These tactics are so common place and such cop outs, and everybody who results to belittling instead of reasoning and logical arguments are scum bags who you shouldn't be trust with your life as they'd backstab you the moment it benefits them, fucking pigs the lot of them and this may come off heated but its so common place and one of the most destructive parts of dialogue, ruining conversations and turning it into incoherent screaming matches and tribalism. Stop appealing to a side and come up with your own opinion for gods sake.
"I'm not reading that"
@@enthiegavoir5955 Exactly 😂
They can't function when they don't get a "no u" response and are confronted with actual engagement.
"They are arguing a version of me they made in my mind"
I get that sh!t _all_ the time.
Most people can't handle their ideas being systematically defeated.
Instead of accepting the fact that they were wrong, they turtle and start making stuff up.
“You aren’t actually engaging with anything I’m saying, instead you are fighting the ghost of words you put in my mouth”
Well said Charlie 👏
I don't really watch Charlie, only seen a few of his videos, but I often hear him getting called out for bullshit he doesn't deserve. He honestly seems like a genuinely wise person, which he shows here, and if he usually is then I can definitely respect that.
he can be kinda hit an miss for me. most of the time i totally agree with him, but theres been a couple times where he's been absolutely wrong on something and just refuses to admit it or address it further. he's more often correct than not, but when its not it seems worse
Andrew Tate is innocent
I find myself agreeing with him 80-90% of the time.
@@luc410 you got some examples because i cant think of a time where ive genuinely whole sale disagreed with him, which is wierd for me as theres usually atleast something i disagree with with people i watch, but i cant seem to find a bad thing hes said that he hasnt corrected.
Just curious to find any is all.
@@EyesDontCryI'll always disagree with his Alien takes like Alien can make mistakes too, they're not some kind omnipotent being lol
This is a W in Charlie's book.
Usually is honestly
@@jackmehoff9517True, Charlie always gets W's nomatter the context lmao
Has Charlie ever had an L moment?
He is begging for that Kick offer .
@@haru2966 He literally isnt? he even said so in the video and even called them out when it first launched 😂
It's funny how Charlie makes well articulated and thoughtful responses while the other dude is just making passive-aggressive posts while basically saying, "You're wrong, I'm right"
The guy immediately lost when he said "People who stream on Kick are bad people"
That's like me saying people who eat at sushi restaurants are appropriating Asian culture.
Oy! Don't come for my California Rolls!
Don't you put that curse on me Ricky Bobby
I guarantee some loser neck beard with no life on twitter thinks eating sushi is cultural appropriation. Hell I had a dumb bitch on Facebook try to tell a white dude wearing a bonnet was cultural appropriation. This is when I believe eugenics to be morally just.
Attention: Streamers.
When chat is questioning your motivations...just say "This is not a philosophy stream." And put them in time out for a week.
Hasan and Vaush learned that tactic from Destiny lol
@@MK_ULTRA420 I find Vaush and Destiny to be tolerable, but Hasan is just abhorrent. Dude literally said America deserved 9/11
Making Twitter angry is a badge of honor anyone should wear with pride (no pun intended)
Its too easy to do though
@@isaachadley2798 Thats reddit not twitter
@@weaponisedautism07theSecondwrong, its both
@@jesuchristo94 What about 4chan
@@weaponisedautism07theSecondliterally who
Ahh yes, Pokimane. The very definition of moral. Sorry, but I could exactly hear her words over the loud echos of her past actions countering her statement.
the false flagging and threats of lawsuits over criticism 💀🤌
@@4cps777coming from someone who watch pokimane every single stream. Ofcourse mfs gonna be on her side
@@4cps777 honey, the problem that sparked it was how she insulted everyone on kick. The whole point of charlie's 3 paragraphs were to explain how twitch ain't better than kick in moral high ground. So no, she is not, as a matter of fact, right. Twitch isn't the undeniable moral choice.
@@jeanremi8384 they deleted their comment lmao
It was pretty uncomfortable trying to watch her validate her moral superiority and berate those going to Kick. I'm not aware of all her prior shenanigans, but she just came across very passive-aggressive and snide. Hope that she can get off the high horse and understand she also works for a company that doesn't allow humane breaks for its staff.
I don't always agree with Charlie 100% of the time, but ngl, you're asking for yourself to be humiliated if you're trying to challenge this guy on subject. He will pick apart and destroy everything you say in spectacular fashion.
Yea, and I can respect that he doesn't expect people to agree with him 100% of the time. He paints the world in the moral grey that it is instead of using straw men to ride a high horse. He isn't condemning Twitch streamers, but asking why Twitch streamers would condemn Kick as if Amazon is a better company?
@@kylesmith7413 And its a good question to ask. Streamers complain about all the crap Twitch has been trying to do to screw them over, especially recently with the stuff with sponsors/ads and then they mysteriously forget and act like Twitch is a good pure platform whenever alternatives (whether just as bad or better) like Kick come up. Twitch will continue to do whatever they want to you as long as you let them continue to have a vice grip on your balls. They need competition and if RUclips streaming doesn't step it up somewhere else is going to have to.
@@kylesmith7413Nuance is dead nowadays, Both by people saying it is all the while watching the world in black and white and by people who say not supporting one side (which is their own) is allowing the bad guys to win, Nuance wasn't just dead, it was raped, sodomized and beaten to death until it was stuffed inside a drum to be thrown off a cliff.
I mean, when you openly call the company you work "evil" and "human rights violators," and proceed to keep working for them for going on a decade, it's pretty cringe. It'd be like Russian commandos calling out their country's totalitarian policies before immediately deploying to assault the Ukraine. Lol. All these streamers and RUclipsrs are trying to maintain the high ground when they're all guilty of the same shit.
@@jtdarelli2362 I mean if you live in America then you do realise that its a nation built on slavery right? Why so you continue to live there? It's a dumb take from you he wasn't defending himself about being on twitch he realises what I kind of company that's backing it is but as it stands twitch is still the platform with arguably the best streaming tools than anywhere else, sure it may change but where else do you think he's supposed to go? Not to mention you are using youtube backed by google which itself is not a morally sound company so yeah figure the irony.
I love Charlie's sound arguments and logic. I would love it more if he used more commas.
He did use lots of commas hero was just rushing
Dawg😭 you want him to use MLA format as well?
@@BuddhaDoesStuff Nope, just more commas. Would make it easier to read.
This is like people who work for Nestle, calling Hershey's "evil."
Anything that offends Twitter is an automatic win.
hey another fellow owl house fan!
Not exactly a high bar; just disagree with them on anything (which is easy because twitter users are insane) and that's enough for them to wish death upon you.
NFT's, CP and AI generated "art:" Hello there
I never really understood the mentality present in Warhammer 40k when characters say "purge (them, it, that place, etc) in holy fire." .... and then I started paying more attention to Twitter.
Brother, we need a flamer. A heavy flamer.
1:14 ya gotta protect your supply lines in western poland my guy
I see a fellow HOI4 player, greetings :]
The man had the balls to quote "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his bags depends on his not understanding it" but somehow not realize the irony of him doing exactly that? Was that a self-report?
I mean... It would be pretty in-character for his voting block.
Charlie bodied that clown more than he needed to. Good work Charlie.
Complete evisceration is the only way these type of people understand that they might be wrong. Being delusional about yourself and the world is being promoted and excepted more and more nowadays.
I died inside from Hero Hei's lack of field marshal use.
That's a massive L for Hasan's editor for this exchange. Ignoring some of Charlie's points and making straw man arguments for something Charlie never said or even condones isn't even debating, but that's probably the norm for Twitter 'debates' though, and just disregarding a lot of what Charlie has to say by a 'tweet too long' joke just shows that Hasan's editor was never even willing to debate or be open for opposing views from his own.
Its the hasan style 🫡
“Hasan’s editor was never even willing to debate or be open for opposing views from his own.” So he’s exactly like Hasan lmao.
Makes sense that Hassan's editor gives off the same "I'm better than all of you" champagne socialist vibes he does
Hassan is a disgrace for socialist lol
Love the hoi4 background gameplay Romania 9:24 British Turkiye is cursed
If Pokimane's "morals" compels her to shill for Amazon, that doesn't speak highly of her moral code. I would prefer if she was honest and stopped virtue signaling
Pokimane and virtue signaling are as inseparable as socialism and famine.
Charlie gets more and more based.
How can Twitter be mad at Florida Jesus.
Because he makes good points and solid arguments.
Because he also looks like Jesus
"They hate him because he speaks the truth"
"Florida man" . Correction, charlie is also part of twitter.
Because twitter hates both Florida AND Jesus
I'm glad that Charlie protected his arguments 'till the end and didn't hesitate writing paragraphs of text.
As someone raised with three sisters, Pokimaine is absolutely jealous. And also insecure. That’s why she mentioned “And it’s not because I have ten million dollars”
That woman is seething.
I can't watch Pokimane for a minute, how can anyone watch her for hours though?
Simping I guess Maybe its just the angle (and her voice) but honestly she’s not as attractive as people make her out to be. She definitely cute but I don’t get the hype.
They are very lonely and mentally ill.
I don’t get it 😭 I’m gay so I’m not really attracted to women but I can atleast see how others find women attractive. Her I just don’t understand she seems like a jerk
Simps
outside of giving reasonable opinions, she probably makes good gaming content.
Charlie has way more patience engaging in this discussion than most, and he definitely was doing his best in those responses to be straightforward with his reasoning. He was merely pointing out that standing on a taller pile of shit than others around you doesn't give you the moral high ground. It just gives you shittier shoes when someone notices.
Literally got a laundry detergent ad in the middle of this lol
Gotta agree with Charlie on this one, Amazon and Stake are unfortunately both bad and people seem to forget that about Amazon and give Twitch a free pass. I wouldn't fault someone for jumping between the two.
Dude 1 is a gambling company and the other is literally the most exploitive first world business in the world
Stake doesn't have suicide net's and also lock you in your own smart home if they misheard a racial slur(yes this actually happened)
@@Unapologeticweeb What's a suicide net?
@@GreatFox42net that stops people from commiting suicide by jumping of the building
@@GreatFox42 warehouses and office building have nets to catch workers jumping from the oppressive work conditions.
I really hope one day twitch just completely dies so all these streamers eat their words and "Compromise their morals and ethics" to stay relevant
Also Amazon is 1000x worse than a gambling company.
The gambling company takes advantage of people who knowingly sign up despite knowing the risks of gambling.
Amazon takes advantage of thousands of workers and distributes the products of goods exploited from millions in underprivileged countries just so they can squeeze out as much profit as possible (which is used to invest in side projects such as twitch)
One can only hope that’d be the case sooner than later.
That would be funny has hell
That would be _The Funny™_
They already have and do 🤦♂️
Critikal: (Reasonable arguements, counter arguements, evidence)
Editor guy: No, youre wrong!
Nobody: "How much do you want to bootlick a corporation that drives people to suicide and exploits child labor"?
Ostonox: "YEEEEEES QUEEN SLAY!"
This is why I've been supporting Charlie for years. Feels like hes the only famous streamer who lives in the real world.
amazing video ngl, but what got me is that you're the first guy that I've seen to use HoI4 footage as the background of one of these types of videos. amazing work bro!
You know, if she just said "Nah i'm comfortable with this, it's cool"
Instead of talking about morals and being herself, etc etc
At least her ego is more realistic than her personality
One of the most insufferable things to do in a discussion is to gloss over crucial points being made. They're actively just trying to have a bad faith discussion at that point.
They can't argue they go from throwing their points to going ad hominem
7:14 : Called the Straw man fallacy, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone do this on the cesspool that is Twitter.
I completely agree with Charlie on this one, both sides are bad, don't give one a pass because you're on it.
Unfortunately this is always the case, especially in gaming circles.
How many people keep criticizing one company for garbage practice, but when the company linked to their favorite, or in some content creators case: job, does the same thing they bend over backwards to defend it.
It's because this is so common in the gaming community I never expect any meaningful change to happen from them.
No, both sides are not the same level as bad.. Amazon abusing employees while being the number 1 online shopping site in the world is not anywhere near comparable to stake which their number 1 goal is to get people addicted to casino gambling and to bankrupt them..
Does she have morals and ethics?
She casually says the n-word in the past, and she probably said it frequently off camera.
@@xenoemblem7if that's the worst thing you could come up with for her then she seems like a fairly ok person lol
Nope fitting her and hissan are both good pals as they both don't. But both love to act like they're better than everyone, the pinnacles of human garbage.
@@Foxtrox7616 she went after ItsGundams sponsors because he made fun of one of her donors.
She's very insecure. It's also cute how you think someone saying the n word who isn't black is okay
@@Foxtrox7616saying the n word is normal must be white then huh?
There’s actually a specific word for what this editor is doing. I learned it in ethics. It’s called a “strawman fallacy” and is one of many logical fallacies people use in arguments to deflect or manipulate. It’s like telling a parent something they did that upset you and them going “oh so I’m a bad mom?”
Dude, I followed Charlie back when he was just Cr1TiKaL and didn't show his face. To see how big he's become since the days of playing Winnie the Pooh Homerun Derby is absolutely crazy.
I'm so glad he's remained level-headed after seeing success.
Hasan editor is so filled with rage the tears coming out his eyes are blinding him from reading.
Yeah hasan's editor didn't really explain his point well. What he's trying to say is that Adin Ross was literally paid off by Stake to advertise gambling to minors, and he's been very open to admitting this in the past and present. At the same time, Charlie makes a good point about both companies being at equal evil. Both sites do shitty things, although in my opinion, the dealbreaker was Kick completely allowing Adin Ross to roam free and spew hate speech on the platform. He's broken TOS so many times on basis of hate speech and Kick just turns their heads the other way while he incites violence against trans people.
@@Frickno-fl9ulI thought Twitch has had a very similar issue with TOS violations, people like Adin Ross inciting violence against trans + queer + etc folks many times over in the recent past.
Back when CSGO Gambling sites and kickbacks from those gambling sites were a big thing, streamers funneled a ton of minors into 3rd party gambling sites, gacha games, etc.
and also IP2 streamers like IcePoseidon, Bladee, (or others associated with the ip2 RV gang) I believe came back multiple times from being banned for their irl stunts involving text to speech and b*mb threats. Twitch is no different. Same monster, different color.
They just have more $ to moderate and censor nowadays.
@@Tayl0r_ While it is true that Twitch has had these people in their past, a good lot of them are now permanently banned from the platform. Twitch is usually nowadays good at actually enforcing their guidelines on things like hate speech. I do know this happened in the past, however it doesn't match what is happening in the modern day. However, Adin Ross is still inciting violence against various minorities on Kick, and has been "threatened". he was signed on the platform a month before so obviously nothing will come from it. In my opinion a company that used to do these things is better than a company that endorses, signs on creators, encourages and is too spineless to even think about banning creators who promote hate speech. In other words, Twitch just has better moderation and morals coming to minority hate speech.
Just like hasan
@@Frickno-fl9ul Just wait. This company is a few years behind due to the fact they are new to a well established market, and do not have the budget twitch/amazon does rn.
It’s not fair to equate them in a 1:1 comparison.
However Twitch is no different, do not disillusion yourself.
The difference between the two platforms is only money/income, and time. The only reason Twitch has better moderation is due to the pressure they’re under since they have a monopoly on the market, therefore more advertizers and stockholders to please.
If Kick had the same resources (and scrutiny), it would be no different. All these streaming services are a cancer and you should not be as comfortable as you are rn.
7:24 it is truly insufferable but contagiously inevitable how maddening that is online at times.
I mean it's not so far from just on twitter anymore as you can encounter that too right here on YT sometimes.
I feel like all it takes to win a twitter argument is common sense
She could of just said that she’s fine where she is and just wants to stay loyal to twitch but no, gotta take every opportunity to virtue signal and show how much of a great person she is. God i hate these people do much. Twitch was a mistake.
For real dude like agree with her base point, but she said it in such an arrogant way like omg the ego😭
Twitch is full of redditors and Twitter users. They are cancer to the internet
Can someone explain to me what virtue signaling is? I’ve looked it up but I can’t grasp it
@@dominickwest7558 Its like stating the obvious to make yourself look better, Like a dude hopping on twitter and going “RaPe iS bAD ReSpeCt WomEn” LIKE YEAH NO SHIT LOL😭
God forbid she says why without people losing their shit about it
Mans was UPSET
She had it till she started going on about morals and ethics. I don’t mind people streaming on the platforms they want to, but trying to appear holier than thou is not the way to say no.
True. She should have stopped with “I’m good as I am”
What I understand from pokimane and the editor is "we're already on top with all the money we want and we don't want to try and climb back up" and "that's our competitors so of course we gotta fight for our team" the internet's 1%
“you’re fighting a ghost of words you put in my mouth” perfectly encapsulates the most frustrating part of any sort of debate-be it online or in person
He had such a way with words
This is the best example of the "I like waffles" joke of Twitter.
Charlie can’t stop taking Ws (sure he takes Ls sometimes but I think everyone does in some shape or form)
His Last of Us 2 Moist Meter is a Big L
He has never taken a L
@maylabrown4584 he liked it?
@@mattmark94 No. He excoriated it for its many, many flaws.
@@StupidAnon-gn8ih as he should. Not sure why that's an L when he's telling the truth
"so, what you're saying is..."
Can we just appreciate Hei here, it’s genuinely like watching the news when I was little but it’s actually relevant to my 18yr old brain, I don’t use twitter at all so its nice hearing about these updates ON TIME as they’re happening, anyways more crazy stuff and I look forward to the next segment
Amazon made their employees literally piss in bottles.
This is the 1st time I have seen a HOI4 gameplay in a commentary video, and I'm all in for it. Are you excited about the new Scandinavia DLC?
Talking "from a soap box" isnt a metaphor for talking from a position of moral authority. That would be "talking from your high horse"
If you say that someone is on their soapbox, you mean that they are speaking or writing about something they have strong feelings about.
It is hilarious that hasans editor does not once acknowledge Amazon being an evil ass corporate business. Then he throws out a stupid ass quote and then complains that someone "went over the word limit." Addresses none of his points, and the only one he did address in the screenshot just confirms what he is saying. A literal walking L, if I've ever seen one before. The worst thing, is that he probably knows that, but he won't learn anything from this or even concede on any point Charlie makes. It's oh so important he is morally superior and in his mind right.
its hard to win an argument against a smart man, impossible to win an argument against an idiot
Charlie trying to argue with a hasan simp? That's not gonna work. People who like hasan are not known for their brain power.
Leftists are intelligent considering they acknowledge science and basic human rights, so no. This is just one person. People who like Hasan have nothing to do with this.
Not to mention that clip was from when Hassn and Poki; two “intellectuals” argue morality with xQc who often advertises himself as partially brain dead.
It was amazing how well Felix handled himself against all the strawmen they threw his way.
Local news: man invents argument and gets angry about it.
You know shit gets real when Charlie joins in the dance floor