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Комментарии • 274

  • @user-tv5dt3nm9y
    @user-tv5dt3nm9y 23 часа назад +32

    How many gold and diamond earrings, rings, and bracelets are on the bottom of Monaco harbor? Maybe the odd Rolex or wallet stuffed with bills?

    • @slartybarfastb3648
      @slartybarfastb3648 21 час назад +7

      Only one way to find out.

    • @jacobyrassilon
      @jacobyrassilon 19 часов назад +6

      Forget that...how many bodies are down there?!

    • @MrPimpmygun
      @MrPimpmygun 3 часа назад

      thats a really good question, i womder if divers go there for salvage, could be very lucrative

    • @kevinretief3752
      @kevinretief3752 3 часа назад +2

      Probably nothing because the divers for the marina are down there most of the day replacing and fixing mooring lines and so on.

  • @fivenine2
    @fivenine2 День назад +26

    Gorgeous as these yachts are, the Bayesian has put me off forever 😂

    • @WillN2Go1
      @WillN2Go1 23 часа назад +11

      Unless you've got at least $100 million I don't think you have to worry. I've been on cruise ships (reluctantly) and I own a sailboat and I've crossed the Pacific in a 12m catamaran, four of us. I like this channel, but when I see these super yachts... they just look like cruise ships to me. Cruise ships are like malls 'near the ocean, but not actually in it', and all the stores are closed. So if you don't like drinking, overeating or stage shows.... incredibly boring. Time on land is 8 hours, but actually about 5 because you have to get off the boat, and then get back on with enough time if the taxi breaks down the ship doesn't leave without you.
      The Bayesian is looking like, people who don't do safety drills, a design with some problems - the sliding door and problem multipliers, that incredible tall mast and retracted keel. My 46' (14m) sailboat would've just leaned over and popped right back up. (The catamaran we crossed the Pacific in... that would've flipped like a pancake. But storm? I'd have been up watching it. Even flipped it wouldn't have sunk. I've seen a storm on the Mediterranean, pretty intense.
      Some of the key reasons I became a sailor when I did is safety. There is now excellent weather reports. No one ever has to be in the middle of a typhoon, hurricane or major storm. You can get information in enough time that you can get out to the edge. A little rough, no risk. Communications: Starlink. I brought mine and we had full internet 400 miles from land and any other humans. The astronauts on the Space Station were the closest other people.
      These super yachts? It's like going to a car show and it's all buses.

    • @fivenine2
      @fivenine2 19 часов назад

      @@WillN2Go1 Yes, I too think I'm safe without the super Dosh. Really enjoying the knowledge on this channel I found through reading about the Bayesian.

  • @anthonycostello8854
    @anthonycostello8854 День назад +18

    Love this channel it cheers me up 😅

    • @annmcdonald6180
      @annmcdonald6180 День назад +3

      yes, really enjoyable and interesting for someone who knows nothing about yachts.

  • @jamesanderson6882
    @jamesanderson6882 23 часа назад +16

    On entrance to the event: "If you mention Bayesian, you will be keelhauled!"

    • @dcallan812
      @dcallan812 9 часов назад +1

      I was wondering if TISG had a stand this year or if they were keeping thier heads down.

  • @Skillzvideos
    @Skillzvideos День назад +18

    I would be awesome to see you do a tour of (special one) the royal huisman. I am one of the builders of that yacht

    • @StefsEngineering
      @StefsEngineering День назад +3

      Same, what department? In my case "Engineering Deck"

    • @slartybarfastb3648
      @slartybarfastb3648 21 час назад +3

      What size are the tender boats? I was disappointed to see a very average boat aboard one of these yachts. I build 52' powerboats capable of 75 knots in luxury with offshore stability.
      Ours would look so much better aboard a yacht than what I saw in this video.

  • @robertenglebright8257
    @robertenglebright8257 День назад +14

    You seem very happy and excited to be there! I've come to really appreciate your channel over the last couple of years, and it's great to see your development.

    • @johngibson3837
      @johngibson3837 14 часов назад

      Hey mate it's a sysman in it's natural environment that's why it's happy

  • @sailorlac
    @sailorlac День назад +13

    That lifeboat rule about both sides came about after the Andrea Doria sinking. She began to severely list almost immediately rendering her lifeboats on one side inoperable.

  • @alhamilton7261
    @alhamilton7261 День назад +11

    love your passion mate, thanks

  • @vanderhovenhaven
    @vanderhovenhaven 23 часа назад +10

    Was really hoping you were going to cover or at least mention the beautiful tug boat @ 23:10. 😄

  • @koolblue6927
    @koolblue6927 День назад +9

    I like seeing the different furnishings that are offered. Love that bed. Thanks!

  • @alanwilliams4835
    @alanwilliams4835 17 часов назад +9

    I absolutely love this channel. I do not know anything about boats but I love looking at them and I also love the commentary and the knowledge that this has chap has thank you so much.

  • @j.l9670
    @j.l9670 День назад +8

    Can you make a video only about the Tenders? This channel is fantastic! Thanks for sharing it.

  • @timbo50
    @timbo50 День назад +6

    Sure enjoy your tour of this years show. Love Lurssen can't wait to see Kismet. Thank you for all the hard work and trouble we put you thru to see these yatch. Kidding.keep up the good fight

  • @DXCommanderHQ
    @DXCommanderHQ День назад +6

    You're gonna be busy!

  • @DCA001TUBE
    @DCA001TUBE 12 часов назад +5

    I worked at the Sydney International Boat Show for a few years in the early eighties, selling electronics, well before the Monaco show started, but I had no idea anything could grow to be this big. This is unbelievable, I'm not sure I could afford a coffee at this joint. Thanks for taking us along, it has been a real eye opener. But I think I'm going to have to stick with my 5M Mustang for now, maybe I could tow my guests behind me in an inflatable dingy and call it my support vessel.🤣

  • @sailorlac
    @sailorlac День назад +5

    Kismet is gorgeous, and I love a navy hull, but oi, I always pity the crew keeping it clean.

  • @Steven-np5me
    @Steven-np5me День назад +5

    Well, you saved me a trip over, whilst I savor my home-made coffee too 😂

  • @lesnicholas2433
    @lesnicholas2433 14 часов назад +4

    Absolutely stunning Vlog and boats are gorgeous,but I would rather captain my own canal boat any day.

  • @BroniBorikova
    @BroniBorikova 23 часа назад +4

    I am so happy I have discovered your channel. I like watching it. It was my mini dream to go and attend the Yacht trade show in Monaco. And thank you for bringing us to the show. Amazing yachts and such beautiful interiors! Ahoj!

  • @mshappy4413
    @mshappy4413 День назад +4

    Cockpit drain is a scupper

  • @clausmarquez
    @clausmarquez 22 часа назад +4

    Nasty and expensive coffee 😂😂

  • @cliffansley1842
    @cliffansley1842 День назад +6

    Sigh... There's never enough time at a boat show. The 'Sport Fishing' Yacht is a joke. Money will never buy sensibility nevertheless, if the $$$ are on the table, the builders really don't care.

    • @byteme9718
      @byteme9718 23 часа назад

      Sports fishing yachts make a statement because they're not sensible.

    • @The-Droll-and-LazyJoker
      @The-Droll-and-LazyJoker 22 часа назад +1

      It's the very, very rich, eating the opulent... rich

    • @ah244895
      @ah244895 2 часа назад

      It's just a theme. Sport fishing is as good as any other.

  • @StefsEngineering
    @StefsEngineering День назад +5

    Thanks for sharing! I really hope to get some video/pictures from the flybridge deck... I had a lot of fun working for Royal Huisman on Special One, specifically in 2 main area's outdoor helm/control stations (flybridge deck and observation deck, the upper two levels) and a lot of the equipment/systems of the fishcockpit. The last one is quite easy to see in video's but those helms/control stations I have not seen finished yet.
    I'll keep my fingers crossed that someone gets a better view on these decks and is able to share it!

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 часа назад

      I was expecting a massive deity of a fighting armchair but it looks like the same size as a normal sportfisher's

    • @StefsEngineering
      @StefsEngineering 30 минут назад

      @@visionist7 Yep, person sitting in it doesn't grow with the size of the yacht after all. :) all features and gadgets are hidden from sight but are easily reachable/usable while fishing.

  • @CrystalAbrahams
    @CrystalAbrahams День назад +3

    Sailing just means you're repairing the boat in exotic places. 🇨🇦

  • @Aeroswine1776
    @Aeroswine1776 18 часов назад +3

    This was a great first impression of your channel!
    Chalk one sub up for the algorithm

  • @delgadomd1
    @delgadomd1 День назад +3

    Great job. Thanks for continuing to bring us great content. Looks like a great filming day, hope you enjoyed it
    Thanks for sharing.

  • @julierusak5353
    @julierusak5353 23 часа назад +3

    Thank you very much. That was fascinating. I can’t wait to see the next video 🇦🇺🦘

  • @PelicanIslandLabs
    @PelicanIslandLabs 20 часов назад +4

    The lobsters are not happy today. 🍽
    That 52 meter sport fisher was ordered by someone who has a shark phobia from the movie Jaws.
    Quint: "you're gonna need a bigger boat"

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 часа назад

      Farewell Spanish ladies

  • @jakecastillo1778
    @jakecastillo1778 День назад +3

    Hoping for a tour of kismet and renaissance

  • @Thitithen_of_Wome
    @Thitithen_of_Wome 23 часа назад +4

    Galene (55m / 180 ft) looks like a toy next to Golden Odyssey.

  • @bigjermboktown6976
    @bigjermboktown6976 23 часа назад +10

    They should sponsor you for all the advertising you're doing! Well done! Monaco is def a dream destination!

  • @mashkengrute
    @mashkengrute День назад +5

    As always, great information, interesting, and great sense of humor, if i ever attend the show i would like you as my guide, cofee and lobster on me!

  • @kenknight4560
    @kenknight4560 22 часа назад +10

    Love it, you can afford a $360 million Yacht + the upkeep and yet bitch about paying the same % tax rate as a school teacher. Got to love the rich and famous.

  • @Mandurath
    @Mandurath 11 часов назад +2

    Was wondering if safety features and equipment would be shown more obviously out there at the shows. After the Bayesian's accident I would hope so.

  • @tugweltp
    @tugweltp 16 часов назад +2

    I was really looking forward to your videos at the yacht show. Thanks, amigo!

  • @katharinatrub1338
    @katharinatrub1338 23 часа назад +2

    So incredibly fantastic to walk with you through this Monaco Boatshow! Also loved to hear you talk about the 'Fidelis' ...

  • @helenvojtko9673
    @helenvojtko9673 23 часа назад +2

    Thank you for providing interesting information on the world of super yachts.

  • @jacobyrassilon
    @jacobyrassilon 19 часов назад +2

    I guess they listened to Brody when he said they needed a bigger boat....RIP Quint!

  • @MrRandallWhipple
    @MrRandallWhipple 22 часа назад +2

    I really enjoy the yacht shows. I'm super impressed with the wealth the owners have amassed. I was lucky enough to buy a small yacht at the Miami show and had loads of fun with it. Keep the details coming, I really enjoy your show and knowledge.

  • @dirkdouglass6593
    @dirkdouglass6593 23 часа назад +2

    Hopefully the rich furnish there super yacht better then the goddess of their mansions 😂

  • @luapkirner5331
    @luapkirner5331 23 часа назад +2

    Home coffee roaster here as well. I live 45 seconds away from the largest green coffee bean importer in the US for the home roaster.

  • @calumshaw
    @calumshaw День назад +3

    Drool Fuel! Love it!!! A walk to the top of the hill (as per your Monaco GP shots) with an overhead of all the yachts would be nice. Are drone shots from the hill banned for the boat show?

  • @stuartatkins5425
    @stuartatkins5425 День назад +2

    Gonna have to save a lot more money before I will be able to afford a dingy. But really enjoyed this tour of how the not so famous but rich spend money.

  • @nicolasvarone2477
    @nicolasvarone2477 15 часов назад +2

    The much waited vidéo, tank you

  • @grondhero
    @grondhero 22 часа назад +3

    eSysman just casually filming Peter Lürssen at 13:03 and 13:18.

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 часа назад

      So that explains the trousers matched to the assistant's dresses lol

  • @yellads
    @yellads День назад +2

    Already enjoying this more than the F1 in Moneyco

  • @Syndr1
    @Syndr1 День назад +2

    Hi Esys. Let's try to not play favorites here. 🧐

  • @kiwi6444
    @kiwi6444 15 часов назад +2

    Some serious wealth in the world.

  • @JayWeldy
    @JayWeldy День назад +2

    Great video, thanks! Always very enjoyable content on all your channels.

  • @rcboatlife4907
    @rcboatlife4907 23 часа назад +2

    Can't believe its that time of the year already .. some great boats this year ..

  • @hebertcentrone6804
    @hebertcentrone6804 День назад +2

    thank you for sharing

  • @nbrettoner
    @nbrettoner 23 часа назад +2

    Thankyou thankyou !! 🥰

  • @hendriksprikdesign
    @hendriksprikdesign 13 часов назад +2

    Great video! Nice to meet you yesterday when you where finished filming Kismet. Enjoy the rest of the show!

  • @steveyountz9184
    @steveyountz9184 18 часов назад +2

    Are there ever any multi-hulls at shows like the one you are at? I have vertigo so I have never been on a boat of any sort but think they look good. Also, why the trend of the front of the
    boat (bow?) being vertical as opposed to angled?

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 часа назад

      The straight stem increases the waterline length relative to the overall length, allowing a higher hull speed.
      To calculate the hull (cruising) speed of a full displacement yacht, simply work out the square root of the waterline length, and then multiply that by 1.34 to get the maximum speed. So a 100 foot waterline length gives you a 10 knot efficient cruise and a 13.4 knot maximum speed.
      Planing hulls can ride their own bow wave and go much much faster, but need a lot, lot more power to do so, and they aren't as comfortable when moored (which is where most yachts spend 90% of their lives) as the same hull shape designed to ride its own bow wave catches any other wave, too. Semi displacement yachts are a mix of the two types, and very popular but need even more energy than a planing yacht to go anywhere near as fast.
      Edit: planing hulls with a "deep vee" shaped hull can be relatively comfortable at high speed as the hull can bite down into the water with less resistance after hitting each wave.

  • @laboursoflove
    @laboursoflove 18 часов назад +2

    Your approach is wonderful. And then there’s the little aside “I roast my own coffee”. More please: at sea??? what kit do you use to roast? Are you not selling Yacht Report Roast???? Where ?

  • @rx7dude2006
    @rx7dude2006 День назад +1

    And Just think Azzam is almost 200ft longer than Golden Odyssey!

  • @paullandreville5394
    @paullandreville5394 22 часа назад +1

    All eSysman videos are good, but the Monaco show videos are amazing. I love his excitement. Looking forward to the next video.

  • @martinlanders6135
    @martinlanders6135 15 часов назад +1

    That’s what Chief Brody was talking about when he said “You’re going to need a bigger boat”! 😂

  • @esj4373
    @esj4373 17 часов назад +1

    thanks for the Great video ! that Motoryacht Platinum is stunning ! have fun !

  • @almaknack9543
    @almaknack9543 14 часов назад +1

    Bet there are a few interesting questions being raised about the sea-worthiness of these luxury yachts !!!

  • @alexmarshall4331
    @alexmarshall4331 День назад +1

    Talking about the quality of the "catches and handles"...didn't these even come into question on the Bayseyan?

  • @FLGurl
    @FLGurl 23 часа назад +6

    Easy $Billion worth of vessels there. Yikes. Many thanks! 🤗

  • @thomasperina2990
    @thomasperina2990 21 час назад +1

    Hello Fellow Yachting Enthusiasts And Friends: Many thanks to the yacht report channel for a splendid video + crystal clear audio. You & your crew always bring a superior style & class to all of your videos. I never get that rushed feeling while watching your videos as many other u tubers like to cram in more content than is actually required. Great job again guys, God Bless, & please stay safe. TMP from N.J 🙏.

  • @grondhero
    @grondhero 22 часа назад +1

    Love the Monaco Yacht Show! I used not to, but now I look forward to the "accessories" building. It's just amazing all the custom stuff anyone can purchase. I mean, we could purchase them if we wanted to spend that kind of money, but usually it's for the yachts. 😉 Of course, *I like big boats and I cannot lie,* so I'm looking forward to those as well. 😁

  • @clydem56
    @clydem56 21 час назад +1

    You were really on a roll with your comments this time. Obviously much more comfortable….great job 😂😊

  • @mdp_lady
    @mdp_lady 22 часа назад +1

    This was a great video! Very interesting and informative. It was eerie looking at the Perini Navi...can't help but think the Bayesian tragedy being the gargantuan elephant in the room. Anyway that hydration station was funny! I'd be filling up too, lol! Plus, the coffee bit is spot on! We coffee snobs gotta maintain our standards! 😉

  •  21 час назад +1

    Great vid, 27 min. isn't long enough, then again all your vids seem to fly by.

  • @bsteadfast
    @bsteadfast День назад +8

    It would be interesting to know who the owners are of these massive yachts, and where their money comes from. Thanks for sharing 😊

    • @Mazeboxx
      @Mazeboxx 19 часов назад +5

      Google the name of the vessel plus the word "owner" and you'll find out 🤷‍♂

    • @bsteadfast
      @bsteadfast 11 часов назад +2

      @@Mazeboxx good idea..thanks 😊

  • @upmupm3561
    @upmupm3561 23 часа назад +1

    Always love the Monaco videos. One day I’ll let you do a tour of my 130 meter yatch, 😅

  • @The-Droll-and-LazyJoker
    @The-Droll-and-LazyJoker 21 час назад +1

    There isn't enough time in a day to spend all that money, given a chance I'm willing to... try

  • @HillSide-k7f
    @HillSide-k7f 14 часов назад +1

    Wasn't there a line in Jaws saying 'we're going to need a bigger boat?' Well done you found it!

  • @donalddepew9605
    @donalddepew9605 День назад +1

    When the one of those yachts show up on the Yellowstone river here in Montana, my ship has definitely come in. Great Video!

  • @MikeKisil
    @MikeKisil День назад +1

    Yes nice to see the booths even the smallest craftiness something to gush over.

  • @lgriestra
    @lgriestra День назад +1

    Very interesting. Thanks!

  • @skiingfast1
    @skiingfast1 17 часов назад +1

    Catching fish or schools of fish,

  • @ChloeGonzalez-b4z4z
    @ChloeGonzalez-b4z4z День назад +5

    A very good resource for obtaining useful information. Thanks for your hard work!🍒🍒🍒 ! 🍹!

  • @cruise35able
    @cruise35able 22 часа назад +1

    Where is Interior tour of kismet ?

  • @MrDavfit
    @MrDavfit 21 час назад +1

    Bayesian twin is spooky

  • @bobskiale
    @bobskiale День назад +1

    wonderful as always !

  • @CarolStJohn-ev9ry
    @CarolStJohn-ev9ry День назад +2

    I'm curious as to why the vents on the Bayesian are situated so low. Considering that it heels on it's side when it sails it seems that water could pour in during a normal sailing day.

    • @wurlyone4685
      @wurlyone4685 16 часов назад +1

      Because style over substance

    • @johngibson3837
      @johngibson3837 14 часов назад

      I guess it only needs one vent open at a time so if it's heeling the one on that side would be closed, remember automatic

  • @boogeymanlockandkey362
    @boogeymanlockandkey362 22 часа назад +1

    Great job as always!!

  • @coachandi2292
    @coachandi2292 День назад +1

    Do you need an assistant? LOL

  • @batchint
    @batchint 17 часов назад +1

    ….that intro 🎵

  • @wurlyone4685
    @wurlyone4685 16 часов назад +5

    Would be interesting to hear how Italian Sea Group stands there seem to be being received - they should have a hard time selling this year, thanks to the shocking behaviour of their CEO 😐

  • @robertfrost1683
    @robertfrost1683 День назад +1

    First

  • @Syndr1
    @Syndr1 День назад +6

    I blame The Rustkie's for raising the Super Yacht prices. They should have saved some money for the rest of the country.

    • @grondhero
      @grondhero 22 часа назад

      Russians aren't even a plurality of superyacht owners.

    • @regig.9493
      @regig.9493 13 часов назад

      That's not how communism works...

  • @jjisella
    @jjisella День назад +1

    Fun video thank you :)

  • @wurlyone4685
    @wurlyone4685 16 часов назад +1

    Im curious, these days do you get a ticket/entry to the show because of your work on super yachts, or as a press pass because of the channel? Wondering which takes precedence - I guess press pass, so it allows you to film and report more extensively/freely?

  • @zapcos80
    @zapcos80 День назад +2

    Existing at the top of car audio... I am surprised non of these ultra rich have a killer sound system. Everyone in Monaco and several kms. beyond would know me, if I turned it on.

    • @StefsEngineering
      @StefsEngineering День назад

      Well I have some good news, "Special One" (20:45) is very well outfitted. high quality speakers and amps everywhere on the ship (if you look closely you can see speakers everywhere in the ceilings, walls etc.). And the cherry on top can be found up front.

    • @Mazeboxx
      @Mazeboxx 10 часов назад +1

      @@zapcos80 Not sure what you’re on, there is a whole industry that caters to yacht audio systems 🤷 and in regard to your second point, you’d immediately be put in jail and your car would be impounded. Police here don’t dance around and neither do the courts, though they are a little softer on residents. Every summer people come here to try - and fail.

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 часа назад

      @@Mazeboxx at the same time you can get away with parking in the marina car park and amazingly it's completely free. Just gotta luck-out finding a space like we did. A LaFerrari on one side, a Kahn Range Rover on the other (whose driver assured us parking was free) and our entry level old A class in the middle 😅

    • @Mazeboxx
      @Mazeboxx 4 часа назад

      @@visionist7 There are two in Port Hercule, one along Kennedy and another one on Jules Soccal, not sure which one you were on, but good on you for finding it. Once the yacht show finishes on Sunday and they clean up, you can also park along the swimming pool all the way up to Rascasse. There are a lot of normal people here, who drive completely normal cars. So the pairing you describe you do see in a number of parking garages. Though, most people here actually walk. As you saw, parking is painful.

  • @maryodonnell5760
    @maryodonnell5760 18 часов назад +1

    I just see them all in terms of how many seconds or minutes to sink compared to the Bayesian's 90 seconds...and how millionaires are lost and trapped to spend spend spend and get sucked into a funnel for expensive trivia...

    • @YachtReport
      @YachtReport  17 часов назад +1

      Bayesian was a freak, extreme weather event which seems to have been lost on many. Like a sink hole, or an earth quake in Italy or volcano in Pompeii.

  • @mencken8
    @mencken8 5 часов назад +1

    The contest to determine Biggus Dickus Award, Seagoing Division.

  • @AnnaJones-l4j
    @AnnaJones-l4j День назад +4

    You are amazing ! ….. thank you for all your posts

  • @christianwestling2019
    @christianwestling2019 15 часов назад

    26:35 Riva ❤
    Are they displaying the 76 Bahamas Super?

  • @louispaparella5766
    @louispaparella5766 24 минуты назад

    Like the smell of coffee, don't like coffee, unless it has enough whisky in it. Guess my standards mean i'll be searching for the Under 3M Self-propelled Yacht channel. I hear they are doing wonderful designs with oars these days!

  • @lanceanz
    @lanceanz 6 минут назад

    One thing that I've been trying to find is the type and layout of anemometers on the Bayesian. No luck, so it'd be interesting to know what the Fidelis has. The same builder, so perhaps it has a similar configuration? Unfortunately, modern anemometers don't advertise themselves in the same way that "cup and vane" instruments do, so it may not be obvious from just looking at the masts. Assuming Bayesian had multiple anemometers from deck level to the tip of the mast, if the data has been stored, it should be very helpful to the enquiry in determining the forces on the mast. In a microburst scenario (with abrupt changes in wind velocity, i.e. both direction and speed with height) it may have encouraged a tilt.🤔

  • @wendykenny5527
    @wendykenny5527 3 часа назад

    Did you meet the popular videographer and photographer Jed Kenny? 🎉👌

  • @Richard-fw3um
    @Richard-fw3um 5 часов назад

    Theres a storm coming... 😮 and nothing can stop what is coming....

  • @lastvmax1258
    @lastvmax1258 46 минут назад

    Superb tour, as usual. Thanks!

  • @markrobinson1458
    @markrobinson1458 4 часа назад

    I knew it was costly, but I've had my eyes opened there, extravagant doesn't cover it 😮

  • @patrickhackett3878
    @patrickhackett3878 21 час назад +4

    With all the poverty, starvation and turmoil in the world, this is obscene.