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Lockjaw it wouldn't have been weak. They needed the combined might of the republic and the Empire to beat him. He had like 2 weeks to prepare and bam enough army for an empire
He didn't believe in the empire's racism. That alone made him a beacon. As many species would join the Empire but don't do to the fact the Empire hates aliens
Malgus was a great leader. He even aknowledged the empires weaknesses like racism and began to form a much stronger and efficient empire. And he put Mandalorians in his army. That alone made his empire 3 times better.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through Passion i gain strength. Through strength i gain power. So yeah, turning his passion for his wife, and his hatred of himself for killing her. Into power that feeds the dark side inside him was a smart move.
Well if you think about it they might but they would make him a good guy, he sort of is the ultimate SJW. "Everyone is equal under me. Now join me or die!!!" lol
True enough. Malgus is a BAMF. Great character. Though if any ancient Sith Lord gets a movie it will likely be Bane, the one who created the rule of two and the only one that is canon... I think; I mean he appeared as a force ghost to Yoda in SW: The Clone Wars on CN, sooo maybe? But who knows with Disney, they seem to be butchering the E.U. and creating some twisted SW Frankenstein monster from the pieces.
Like in the new trilogy? That’d be amazing! It would not only bring back a badass character, but would immediately canonize the Old Republic. Imagine, Kylo Ren somehow finds Malgus’ body frozen in carbonite and decides to free him with the foolish goal of trying to make him serve him. Then, the movie would end with Kylo Ren teaming up with the resistance to kill Malgus once and for all.
@@calebshade4991 dude this theory is awesome. I give you credit for thinking of it first because I myself proposed a hypothetical new trilogy bases off Malgus returning and bringing the First Order under his boot and reforming it as the New Sith Empire ! Great minds think alike 😎😎😎
Malgus killed his wife, a twilek, because he loved her so much, that she was his weakness. He killed her because he knew that she could be used against him. This destroyed him emotionally but made him stronger. Such a Sad story :(
Disney never will, they're butthurt that its a way more well-written story than they could ever do and there is not much room to put in ridiculously overpowered Mary-Sues and seeing as how its an already known story they cant add any minorities because "muh representation"
They really should make everything related to KOTOR and KOTOR 2 canon because they are thousands of years in the past of the Star Wars universe. Decanonizing them and replacing them with games that won't be up to par with KOTOR will anger a lot of people. People are already upset about The Last Jedi ruining the new canon.
He couldn't be. First, there is no Star Wars info telling about anyone who have come out from being frozen in carbonite after 3 thousand years. Secondly, Darth Malgus had respratory problems resulting in him wearing a mask. Snok has disfigurment up & down along side half of his head. Thirdly, Darth Malgus was a powerful force welder, never wore jewlery (that we know of) where unlike Snok has wealth and that gaudy looking black stone ring from which he suposedly gets his suposed power from. With all this I am going to have to disagree. I'll wait for the movie to see more about Snok.
The next movies really should cover the stories from KotOR and SWTOR, those universes are so untouched yet, and if they don't place an allmighty Mary Sue like Rey into these movies, they would be fucking awesome
It would be very cool imagine he is so angry because he is frozen and then he explode the carbonite and free himself wooow it would be freaking awesome
for what i now after he assaulted the meridian complex in corellia he left the empire again or he was "lost", it seems the empress tortured him to come back or something like that
They could have made Snoke the reincarnated Malgus. The remnant Empire find Malgus when the escape into the unknown regions and wake him up. It would even fit with the idea of Snoke not being a sith as Malgus rebelled against the sith empire too. And he is also very very old.
Why is it that every time I watch this video I get entangled in the history so much.... Malgus I love your freakin life support suite over vaders to be honest
I like how so many of these with never really died and/or could be brought back like Malgus could be unfrozen, someone could put on darts nihlus mask, it’s just always a cliffhanger that all these with could come back to fight
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Darth Malgus was a fanatical frontline duelist and Sith Lord that lived 5000 years before the events of Anakin and Darth Vader. He was frozen into carbonite when he declared his own Sith Empire and later has been unfrozen and is still alive
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I watched all the cut scenes for the old republic/sith legacy games and was blown away by it. It explained so much from the recent films, it seems so compelling this story line, I hope they do films of them!!
Darth Malgus is just such a badass! He's the Darth Vader of his time and the greatest at that too! The coolest armor, the most badass voice, the most intriguing story, etc. I really wish we had the choice to side with him when he was creating his new Empire. He's not even a racist which is another thing I love about him. Even someone as insane and bloodthirsty as him has standards.
@@de4thstroke32 you're going way too far dude just because they have luke feelings and an unperfect character doesn't mean they will make starkiller gay lol
The Malgus in carbonate idea was scrapped, he appeared in the onslaught and legacy of the sith expansions. This may be his real rate in future media tho.
It's always cool to see how different each leader of Sith look like. Malgus is definitely the Sith Warrior. Darth Vader is the killing machine, and other sith are power hungry in the force itself. Malgus seemed to be more of a fighter than a force user.
Dude I was really enjoying this video on the edge of my seat I love the Lore and learning more about the sith and the old Jedi u have my support thank u for the knowledge.
Astro Blakk For context the war they were in lasted for 40 long years. This war brought about some of the largest fleets, deadliest of weapons, and some of the most powerful Jedi and Sith Lords the galaxy has ever seen ( such as the dread lords). That managed to devastate the entire galaxy itself. So in essence, it’s not that unbelievable for the Empire to try and make peace with the republic.
Imagine a world where Disney didn’t mess up and instead of Rey they gave us the Jedi order under Luke skywalker as grandmaster with Ben solo going bad and unknowingly releasing Malgus from his carbonite sleep
In the Star Wars episode 10 movie, after the great galactic war through The Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War, first order resistance war, this is when he’s going to wake up after Carbonite freezing and create the second Sith empire to avenge his fellow Sith
When disney inevitably makes old republic movies for money here is what they do 1. Revan and Malack 2.Malgus and his story line 3. Thexan, Arcann and their family 4. Darth bane and the rule of two with a bit of all the other characters in each movie so they are all connected
It seems that Malgus was one of the truest followers of the dark side, not letting anything weaken him while at the same time using his weakness as a great well of anger and strength
Not only his armor and cape, there's also the fact he is injured and requires life support with the breathing assist over his mouth! And he uses rage to great effect, just as Vader does!
Malgus is so badass he not only survived the cliff, but being cut down but a lightsaber, and then having the whole space station explode with him on it.
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Who wished that we should've been given an option to join Malgus when he declared his new empire.
PsychosisAsylum YES! Just replayed those missions and wanted that.
Oh that's easy. EVERYBODY
Lockjaw it wouldn't have been weak. They needed the combined might of the republic and the Empire to beat him. He had like 2 weeks to prepare and bam enough army for an empire
He didn't believe in the empire's racism. That alone made him a beacon. As many species would join the Empire but don't do to the fact the Empire hates aliens
Malgus was a great leader. He even aknowledged the empires weaknesses like racism and began to form a much stronger and efficient empire. And he put Mandalorians in his army. That alone made his empire 3 times better.
Bro killed his own wife. Woah. "In life she was my only weakness, in death she is my greatest strength
@Steve Robertson so none of this info is in the game? You gotta read books??
@@greenkidd529 yes
@@kevinesquibel8403 damn that sucks I was only playingy is game to see more of Darth Malgus cause he looked cool in that trailer
@Steve Robertson Deceived (his book) is trash tbh. The only good parts were him attacking Coruscant (just watch the trailer for this) and the ending.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through Passion i gain strength.
Through strength i gain power.
So yeah, turning his passion for his wife, and his hatred of himself for killing her. Into power that feeds the dark side inside him was a smart move.
He was the Darth Vader of the old republic.
Darth Stalker and you are the best Darth for not saying first
Darth Stalker hail Darth magus! *activates red lightsabers*
gold mode Thanks.
No thank you my lord (get the joke)
gold mode I get it.
He lost Twi'Lek ass, any man would be filled with rage.
lightning boi He’s kind of an idiot for killing her for power, he didn’t realise the impact it would have on him.
Marshal Hampson he killed her because she was a weakness’s
true
Wanna see a hot Twi'lek? Check out a chick named Queen Hadiya.
Dam right
He’s frozen in carbonate so he’s still alive cmon Disney
DW Zenix do you mean malgus
DW Zenix Han is just a dude malgus is all powerful
DW Zenix sure but the most of the effects we see is blindness and malgus could either adjust to fighting like that or use the force to heal his eyes
@@kevinescobar370 force heal is a light side power.
Joel Guzman not in the EU
Community: “We want a badass villain like Malgus in battlefront!”
Dice: “BB-9E.”
I personally think that with the demand of Old Repulic era stuff I could see EA go into the era in Battlefront 3
So, a badass villain
Well thanks to mods I'm able to play as Malgus and even have his audio files and lighting ability ;)
He should've been in this Star Wars trilogy as the one behind the scenes.
I like him in the game. But we should have gotten Assajj Aentress and Ahsoka next
Darth malgus rocks. Disney should do a trilogy with this guy.
Mr.Pringle Pringleson I mean, they did put Thrawn back in canon.
Well if you think about it they might but they would make him a good guy, he sort of is the ultimate SJW. "Everyone is equal under me. Now join me or die!!!" lol
Good analogy but please don't say that about Darth Malgus. The guy is too damn fierce and awesome to be compared with some SJW clown. haha
True enough. Malgus is a BAMF. Great character. Though if any ancient Sith Lord gets a movie it will likely be Bane, the one who created the rule of two and the only one that is canon... I think; I mean he appeared as a force ghost to Yoda in SW: The Clone Wars on CN, sooo maybe? But who knows with Disney, they seem to be butchering the E.U. and creating some twisted SW Frankenstein monster from the pieces.
overkillforever1 psh brought thrawn back? more like retardely changed him rather than leave him and his stories as they were.
Malgus has by far the coolest llooking armour of all sith. He looks like the defenition of a sith warrior.
We love Malgus's armor for sure! But my favorite is Darth Revan's.
@@d.dementedengineerc99isurf26 me too
Sith Lord's are your Speciality, great job!
I can certainly see that.
I'm pretty sure he's just reading off the wookiepedia. (fandom)
look at ur head
fucking spastic
They have to make a movie about darth malgus who agrees
Definitely agree with you just not Disney writers.
They need to make a movie about the whole old republic period
I think Revan is more interesting but yea I agree with you
I agree but it wouldn't be called Star Wars because Star Wars is about Anakin Skywalker
Agreed but Disney will ruined it
a comeback of Malgus would be exciting.
Like in the new trilogy? That’d be amazing! It would not only bring back a badass character, but would immediately canonize the Old Republic. Imagine, Kylo Ren somehow finds Malgus’ body frozen in carbonite and decides to free him with the foolish goal of trying to make him serve him. Then, the movie would end with Kylo Ren teaming up with the resistance to kill Malgus once and for all.
C. Lamp there is a super rare 5 seconds clip for Swtor in which we see him in Carbonite.
@@calebshade4991 dude this theory is awesome. I give you credit for thinking of it first because I myself proposed a hypothetical new trilogy bases off Malgus returning and bringing the First Order under his boot and reforming it as the New Sith Empire ! Great minds think alike 😎😎😎
Guess who's back...
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My favorite Sith Lord. He also looks super badass compared to other siths.
Nihilus >
Revan
@@godz_haki6174Revan
Yup but Tenebrae yanked his leash back
Hey who was that Jedi master he killed when he assaulted the temple
Sith acheivment unlocked: *ULTIMATE BADASS*
you look like a weeb get in the bin
Malgus killed his wife, a twilek, because he loved her so much, that she was his weakness. He killed her because he knew that she could be used against him. This destroyed him emotionally but made him stronger. Such a Sad story :(
Malgus is the absolute best character in star wars in my opinion.
For us he surely is one of the best ;) the Vader of the old republic era ;)
Y'all forgettin Revan
@Yung McChicken, Revan turned back though. Plus the only reason he turned in the first place was because the Sith Emperor made him.
idk, i like pikachu the most
Darth Malgus is one of my all time favorites!
Malgus when he wakes up in 6 aby :" Well, nothing changed: huge space station gets destroyed emperor dies and the tech is still the same!"
They need to make this story canon.
Disney never will, they're butthurt that its a way more well-written story than they could ever do and there is not much room to put in ridiculously overpowered Mary-Sues and seeing as how its an already known story they cant add any minorities because "muh representation"
Wilson Harris this is cannon, part of the REAL NON DISNEY SJW TRASH CANNON!
Delta 23 here, here
They really should make everything related to KOTOR and KOTOR 2 canon because they are thousands of years in the past of the Star Wars universe. Decanonizing them and replacing them with games that won't be up to par with KOTOR will anger a lot of people. People are already upset about The Last Jedi ruining the new canon.
Disney ain't about that "Sith Life" 💀 💀 💀 💀
That “God is Awesome” part at the end hit me like a brick because that came out of left field without warning.
It would be interesting if Malgus was free from carbonite stasis to a whole new era.
Unfortunately it won't happen for a Star Wars movie.
He couldn't be. First, there is no Star Wars info telling about anyone who have come out from being frozen in carbonite after 3 thousand years. Secondly, Darth Malgus had respratory problems resulting in him wearing a mask. Snok has disfigurment up & down along side half of his head.
Thirdly, Darth Malgus was a powerful force welder, never wore jewlery (that we know of) where unlike Snok has wealth and that gaudy looking black stone ring from which he suposedly gets his suposed power from.
With all this I am going to have to disagree. I'll wait for the movie to see more about Snok.
@@NoOne-eb2oy I'm a year late and looking through the comments.... You're still the stupidest person I've encountered.
@@privatedonut2914 what did he say dude
BANANAH SPREAD I think he said that malgus might be snoke
He must have died after a while being frozen..
Maulgus is literally just pure rage, which I love about him
Darth Malgus ever a constant thorn in the side of the Jedi and the Republic. Nice Job, The Scoundrel's Cantina.
Thanks The Scoundrel's Cantina the love means a lot.
Broken Bridge Very Well Said.
My favorite Sith Lord. Sad that he isn't canon. His story is sooo cool.
He's canon to me and that's all that matters lol.
they'll make him cannon
He is
The next movies really should cover the stories from KotOR and SWTOR, those universes are so untouched yet, and if they don't place an allmighty Mary Sue like Rey into these movies, they would be fucking awesome
3:24 " local sith lord too angry to die"
Did Malgus ever get unfrozen from Carbonite? That would be pretty cool if we see him make a return to the Star Wars universe
yea hes snoke
lil-Yvanox NO HE IS NOT.
It would be very cool imagine he is so angry because he is frozen and then he explode the carbonite and free himself wooow it would be freaking awesome
lil-Yvanox if hes snoke im going to be so mad, he got killed way too easy
@@ca_tito how the fuck can be angry if he s fucking freezed
Hell yes. Bring him back. Tired of the current sith and dark side user. Hate the light side ones even more. At least malgus was real.
Darth Malgus, the fearless precursor to Lord Vader!
So you’re telling me there’s a chance Malgus is still alive somewhere?
No because in the new swtor dlc hes been unfrozen
for what i now after he assaulted the meridian complex in corellia he left the empire again or he was "lost", it seems the empress tortured him to come back or something like that
They could have made Snoke the reincarnated Malgus. The remnant Empire find Malgus when the escape into the unknown regions and wake him up. It would even fit with the idea of Snoke not being a sith as Malgus rebelled against the sith empire too. And he is also very very old.
That actually would be pretty cool. Not to mention it would make sense with Snoke's facial scarring.
Malgus is way too cool for snoke but i see where youre going
Why is it that every time I watch this video I get entangled in the history so much....
Malgus I love your freakin life support suite over vaders to be honest
So Darth Malgus had a weakness to his wife just like lord Vader only difference was Vader couldn’t stand losing her
I like how so many of these with never really died and/or could be brought back like Malgus could be unfrozen, someone could put on darts nihlus mask, it’s just always a cliffhanger that all these with could come back to fight
1:51 if Darth Maul was a Jedi
When I started watching the old republic trailers I thought that was darth Vader
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Thank you very much, we will never stop ;)
Rohitram Upendram I agree i watch them both but you should check out stupendous wave if you haven't already
Oh yea stupendous is also really wonderful
Rohitram Upendram yea
I greatly pity whoever finds frozen Malgus and wakes him up on accident.
I love that he always says God is awesome, it’s nice to see people online who aren’t afraid to share their love for God with others
Update: Malgus has returned.
Screw the new Starwars movies just make the game intro into full length movies
4:12 i guess you can say the negotiations were short lol
Darth Malgus was a fanatical frontline duelist and Sith Lord that lived 5000 years before the events of Anakin and Darth Vader. He was frozen into carbonite when he declared his own Sith Empire and later has been unfrozen and is still alive
Don't know why but the fight between jedi and sith just reminds me of the fight between Decepticons and the autobots
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The Scoundrel's Cantina if you get frozen in carbonite are trapped in suspended animation?
I love this mini movie. It's better than a couple movies.
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Thank you very much :)
imagine getting crushed by a cliff but not feeling anything because you’re that pissed lmao
BBY - Before Baby Yoda
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Noah Springer it was a joke!
Noah Springer no before baby Yoda
I watched all the cut scenes for the old republic/sith legacy games and was blown away by it. It explained so much from the recent films, it seems so compelling this story line, I hope they do films of them!!
Awesome video, he is one of my favorite Sith and it is interesting that he dose not die
Red brick777 does*
Darth Malgus is just such a badass! He's the Darth Vader of his time and the greatest at that too! The coolest armor, the most badass voice, the most intriguing story, etc. I really wish we had the choice to side with him when he was creating his new Empire. He's not even a racist which is another thing I love about him. Even someone as insane and bloodthirsty as him has standards.
I love how they kept him in Carbonite. Means his introduction into canon will make sense
5:53 I had expected a much more deeper and darker voice
In the trailer you can hear his real voice
Make Malgus canon Again
De4thstroke32 True, Star Wars Rebels massacred my boy grand admiral thrawn
@@de4thstroke32 I wish someone bought Star Wars from Disney and reversed all the legends/canon dynamics, lol
@@de4thstroke32 you're going way too far dude just because they have luke feelings and an unperfect character doesn't mean they will make starkiller gay lol
@@thephoenix4093 Yeah, I’m looking back at my comments from back then and I was really immature back then and shouldn’t have said that lmao
@@de4thstroke32 :D
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A Vader and Malgus team up would be badass
Wow I'm just one year Star Wars fan and I'm already learning so much
Miss the Star Wars eu
Darth Malgus is my favorite sith and it would be cool to see him on the big screen
7:15 does this mean he’s somehow still in the Star Wars universe right now? I don’t know much about all of this so I’m very curious
The Malgus in carbonate idea was scrapped, he appeared in the onslaught and legacy of the sith expansions. This may be his real rate in future media tho.
Darth Malgus is a great warrior & would be a great subject, to base a movie on.
Windu says "this party's over." I say "aww but I brought cake."
Read "Deceived" again for the 3rd time, love the book and how it deals with Darth Malgus. 🤟
It's always cool to see how different each leader of Sith look like. Malgus is definitely the Sith Warrior. Darth Vader is the killing machine, and other sith are power hungry in the force itself. Malgus seemed to be more of a fighter than a force user.
Darth Malgus looks more bane than Darth Bane himself.
Dude I was really enjoying this video on the edge of my seat I love the Lore and learning more about the sith and the old Jedi u have my support thank u for the knowledge.
Disney: We are seriously considering these games Legends
Darth Malgus: *Do you feel in charge?*
The most badass sith imo
Yes he is
Wait so there’s actually a possibility that in future films/projects, Malgus could be released from carbonite and become a Sith Lord again?
"You were deceived, and now, your Republic, shall fall!" -Darth Malgus
I love Malgus and Eleena as a couple! Especially in the book 'Deceived'.
Why would you ever even trust to come to a peace treaty with the sith? They are the sith for a reason lol
Astro Blakk For context the war they were in lasted for 40 long years. This war brought about some of the largest fleets, deadliest of weapons, and some of the most powerful Jedi and Sith Lords the galaxy has ever seen ( such as the dread lords). That managed to devastate the entire galaxy itself. So in essence, it’s not that unbelievable for the Empire to try and make peace with the republic.
Imagine a world where Disney didn’t mess up and instead of Rey they gave us the Jedi order under Luke skywalker as grandmaster with Ben solo going bad and unknowingly releasing Malgus from his carbonite sleep
In the Star Wars episode 10 movie, after the great galactic war through The Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War, first order resistance war, this is when he’s going to wake up after Carbonite freezing and create the second Sith empire to avenge his fellow Sith
episode 10-12 Darth Nihlus (Rey), Darth Malgus and the rest of the Sith Survivors will reorginize into the Neo Sith Empire
Darth Bane, Darth Zannah and Darth Plagueis too
Return of The Sith
Return of The Fallen
"The Fallen Shall Rise Again"
When disney inevitably makes old republic movies for money here is what they do
1. Revan and Malack
2.Malgus and his story line
3. Thexan, Arcann and their family
4. Darth bane and the rule of two
with a bit of all the other characters in each movie so they are all connected
the Disorder trailer
It seems that Malgus was one of the truest followers of the dark side, not letting anything weaken him while at the same time using his weakness as a great well of anger and strength
The most badass lightsaber swinger in the old republic.
Other sith: "Urr durr dark emo stuff"
Darth Malgus: "Saber to the face, shut up"
Ehhh.... There's more sith like malgus.
Theme of the Eternal Empire at 3:58 LOVE IT!!!
I always wondered what happened to him. So Darth Malgus became a decoration for Darth Vitiate! That makes me like Vitiate that much more.
This guy was a great sith but more importantly he was the king of walking towards cameras
They truly can build around these storylines
Wait is it just me or does darth malgus suit looks similar with Vaders?🤔
Not only his armor and cape, there's also the fact he is injured and requires life support with the breathing assist over his mouth! And he uses rage to great effect, just as Vader does!
Malgus is so badass he not only survived the cliff, but being cut down but a lightsaber, and then having the whole space station explode with him on it.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. You put out some kick ass episodes, and I Love and Respect your mentioning God!
1:25 how i feel walking away after getting a strike in bowling
If only Darth Malgus could awaken in the Star Wars cinematic universe in the future and reinstate the Old Republic...
He wouldn't found a Republic, silly! He'd surely initiate an Empire, just as Darth Vitiate and Darth Sidious!
The "dO It" part got me at the beginning
It was awesome for Malgus to return in Onslaught. We thought we was gone forever but everyone knew he'd be bavk
The best syth in the Old Republic. When I played SWTOR I got it from the very first minutes of his appear.
I could see the rock/dwayne johnson being Darth Malgus
I wish he was around in modern times he such an awesome character.
My favorite Sith! I really hope they do The Old Republic as part of canon eventually :)
Old republic soldier-can go hand and hand with a sith
Clone-dies to a droid
Stormtropper- can’t hit a stationary teenager
FYI BBY means before battle of yaven
Aka the destruction of the death star
I just realized Malgus looks very identical to Vader when his helmet off.
Man a movie on this premise would launch Star Wars ahead 100 years
Disney: Not so fast...
My favorite trio from the Old Republic:
1) Malgus
2) Nihilus
3) Valkorian/Revan (tie between these two)
A recent update on the game brought Malgus back into the picture.
He’s finally back like I thought all those years ago