After living through the "14nm quad cores are good enough until the end of time" period at Intel while AMD was eating crayons, it still surprises me to see substantial CPU perfomance gains these days.
AFAIK the 8700/k came out the same year as Zen 1 and it still made a joke of Zen 1 and Zen + in performance, especially with all the RAM issues AMD had with early chips.
...especially after the APUs (like 2200G & 2400G) came along. Also that's when the RAM issues were all gone. And that's why I'm still on my Ryzen 5 2400G.
@makaan1932 8700k on fast DDR4 is still able to do 60 FPS, and is not bottlenecking that old GPU too. If you need that RTX 4070 ti now or better, it will, keep the DDR 4, only replace that CPU for some cheap 1700 intel board ! Keep the rest ! Buy the 5060 ti next year only, keep the old RIG 3 more years?
I also have an 8700k and its paired with a 2080 (nonsuper). I game at 1440p and always get above 60fps in most games... which is awesome! But sadly I wouldnt call it "high refresh rate gaming" unless im playing a nondemanding shooter like CS2. I feel like my 8700k does bottleneck my 2080 a bit on certain games. (Especially newer game titles that prefer newer CPU's) Ive had this build since 2018 and man... I cannot wait to upgrade to a newer generation CPU/GPU!!
@BREEZYM6015 Here i did RTX 4070 Ti on old 6900k, and Pentium, Core Duo Extreme. You can still get 60 FPS 1080p on over 20 year old Pentiums on Windows 10, bottleneck the new RTX 4070ti on it ? If you only need 60 FPS, Pentium + RTX 4090 ti will do it perfect too ! Keep the old systems !
I got a killer deal on an old inventory laptop with a 8750k and gtx 1070 for only $300. Doesn't compare to my main rig but it's a nice little laptop for cheap.
I have a 3rd gen i7, 3770k in an old PC and it still pushes on like a champ. Paired with a GTX 1650, it is a solid living room gaming PC, with emulation up till the Xbox 360
Third Gen i7s are awesome. They're dirt cheap because they don't support AVX2 - the only reason I upgraded from mine was to emulate PS3. My nephew has my old rig with a 1050 ti, and he's loving his first PC.
@@bornonthebattlefront4883, I was using an i7 3770k@4.2GHz and DDR3 2000MHz until a few months ago, paired with an RX 590 and I ran a lot of graphics intensive games at high settings at 1080p.
@TechOrigami If it runs Windows 10, you can play any title on it. Keep the GTX 1080 Ti forever too ? GTX 1650 better then GTX 1080 now ? The same ? Keep it please ! NOT getting 60 FPS on it, not needed ! Modern games, only upgrade the GPU to RTX 4060 Ti 64 GB now ?
the biggest lie the gaming tech influencers ever pushed, is that we need to upgrade our CPUs on the regular xD Unless you're gaming on the uber high end with the most expensive GPUs and fancy high refresh rate freesync monitors, any 4 core 8 thread CPU back to ivy bridge is probably still fine. For those building on the thrift, entire PC builds with ivybridge, haswell, skylake etc would still be fine too. just pair it with a midrange GPU and you're fine for 1080p and even 1440p at reasonable settings. edit: if you're getting a used system, getting an old B350 / B450 with a ryzen 1600 or 2600 will probably be cheaper AND overclockable. overclocked that would be equivalent or faster than this i7 8700
These last few updates have been lovely for me. I have paired that same 2080Ti with a 2600k, 8700 (non-K) and now with a ryzen 5700x. For me the bottom lines of these vids is that the 2080Ti is a different kind of special flavour!
I use 12400 in my builds most of the time (I have a good deal on them and Asus MB new from a contact) and people still try to sell 8700k and 9700k for ridiculous price around here anyway...
I’m trying to get a 9700k to replace a 9400f in my son’s PC but the prices for them are insane. You can get a used 11400f (different board) that matches/beats the 9700k for half the price but I need a 9th gen to go in his board.
Anyway can you make a comparison between 12400f and 13400f? I just want to know how much % is the difference on those two processors and pair it with an 2080ti or 3070
Thank you. I’m still running my 8700 with a 1070ti and after this I’m feeling less of the need to start planning for an upgrade at this point in time. Again thank you for making the effort to do these comparisons. I know they take time.
Im still rocking an i7 8700 paired with an rtx 3060 powered by a 750 psu in 2024. She runs strong playing every game I love to name a few, Battlefield 2042, Diablo 4, Iracing sim and Mech Warior online in 3840×2160 over 60 fps. I dont know when I will upgrade but this is the best CPU I ever owned.
Could be worth testing the i7-8700 with Baldur's Gate 3 . You may have already seen Gamers Nexus' video of testing with the game with newer & older GPU's - where they found that the game could be more instructive for CPU benchmarking because turn based gameplay isn't as demanding on GPU's (unlike real time shooters & adventure games) , and (I could be wrong) more of the bottlenecks was on the CPU side than the GPU side. Maybe one way to add a twist to the video is to demonstrate how an Englishman from the land of J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis plays these 'Dungeons & Dragons'.
lmao, baldurs gate 3 is surprisingly demanding on the gpu side, neither of my laptops can run it at anything but 720 fsr garbage mode. And even then im only getting like 20 fps.
I love my i7 8700k. Its showing its age a little bit, but I have it paired with solid DDR4 and an RTX 3090. Still going strong at 3840x1600. The only game that has actually caused me issues recently is Starfield.
since I'm stuck with an old alienware hand me down, I upgraded my i5 8400 to an i7 8700 for $100. also went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti for $240 (DLSS is a legit game changer). net cost would be about $150 for both. works fantastic for any recent games 1440p at ~80-100fps
@@Jjanssoni then I'd be looking at $500+ in upgrades. new CPU, ram, case, cooler. not worth it when the vast majority of games don't need a better CPU than an i7-8700. even the i5-8400 is fine. Plus playing at 1440p helps push more of the workload on the GPU
@@nintendork07 Doesnt matter what game you play when your cpu is holding back your gpu at all games. I would say your fps would be close to same with rtx2080. Btw i have 2080ti aswell and tried that with ryzen 3600,ryzen 5600x and now 12700k.
@@theanimerapper6351 Intel knocked out of the park with Sandy bridge. But once I switched I realized I probably stuck with it a little too long. With that said I still have that old system (just in case)
12400F can be better suited for additional hardware that is new, like PCI e 4.0 storage and GPU and as many of the newer mid range GPUs only has 8 lanes this can have some impact.
@@lurch789 not really, these days many mid range cards(like 4060TI, RX7600) etc uses 4.0 x8 instead of 4.0 x16, cutting the bandwidth in half, so when you put such a card in an old system it is only getting 3.0 x8, that limits the performance in some scenarios. You might want to check modern benchmarks.
I 'believe' this chip will game so close to an r5 3600, (2 or 3% spread) which can be bought new for ~ £87, the 8700 non 'k' is not worth worrying about. Undoubtedly a used box with r5 3600 will be similar money (I can see a new b520 for £38 first search and ddr4 3200 is now cheap) The i9-9900k you want to test is an 8 core 16 thread cpu that cost near £500 back then, I can GUARRANTEE you in gaming a currently sub £180 new in box R7 5700 (not 'X') will p1ss all over it (and also in just about everything else, sipping power with a £20 air cooler). The i9 was the max for those chipsets, intel plans it that way and NEVER drops prices. That i9 is a furnace power gobbler w4nk cpu.
Still rocking my 8600k since it released. delided on Liquid Metal clocked at 5.1ghz quiet as a mouse hovers around the 60s still while heavy gaming. I think I’ll wait another year or 2 before I change her out.
I've been using i7-8700K , at 4.9Ghz, for almost 5 years, paired with a GTX 1080 Ti, before changing to i7-13700K (and the reason for that is I bought an RTX 4080). An incredibly solid CPU, which now serves my server purposes (undervolted, cos it's overkill for my home server).
My new Rig came with a Gold Coolermaster rated 600 PSU branded by OMEN, only the board and the GPU, 4 PCI lanes for the NVMe on i7, why bigger PSU ? My old RIG PSU is 750 Watt, for that X99 Xeon SLi, needing less power now. My next build will be StrongARM by intel again, plus ARC onboard, 100 Watt enough !
Got a i7-8700 + Z390A + 32GB RAM for 180ish EUR/USD around xmas last year, was very nice upgrade for me, could just move over old cooler and put a cheap M2 drive in there, just needed to adjust stock voltages which were way too high (dropped 20-25W power consumption at full load).
@unionofslavstanrepublics2317 Some people get these office machines now, upgrade it to a Gaming system, only buying that new RTX 4070 Ti for it, bottleneck any CPU ? You should be able to play any game on Windows 10, Pentium can run it, only getting a new GPU only, bottleneck that GPU ? or enough frames now !
@@lucasremwhat are you going on about mate you’ve replied to almost every comment in this video not making any coherent sense and going on how a pentium will not bottle neck a 4070ti? Idk what you smoking but yes it will most certainly bottleneck a 4070ti 😂😂
Bro talk about timing a 2 weeks ago I basically did this upgrade went from an i7 8700 to a i5 12400. The 8700 wasnt giving me any problems or anything but basically got a crazy good deal plus the ability to finally use faster DDR4 ram was neat
Very impessive of that 8700, expected a little worse. 8700K at 5ghz/4.7ring with high end ddr4 (4000mhz+) and 35ns memory latency should be on par in gaming and will actually give a snappier pc than 5600x/12400. So it's overall in a way better than these, I certainly wouldn't upgrade to recent locked 6 cores from that.
How are u able to run rivatuner with cs2. I have tried it multiple times it stopped working for csgo and never worked with cs2 for me i want to cap my fps using rivatunner
I have the 12400 in both my HTPC as well as my PLEX server. Very good bang for the buck as well as very good power consumption. I was able to get one of the 12400 for $150 from Amazon as they were on sale very briefly,
Good video. If you upgrade a 12400 to a 13500.. You will be surprised at the performance increase you get. Unlike the 12th gen, the 13500 is in a whole different class of cpu than the 13400. The 13500 is an awesome cpu.
@JamesSmith-sw3nk My OLD systems kept on dying, X299 was very bad, i kept waiting for intels 7 to replace that, unable to upgrade it, too many BIOS errors, VRM and microcode issues. Bought the best CHEAP Pre Build on the market, i7 13700 i7 4070Ti by OMEN, before that i was running the old RTX card on the Core Dual extreme, getting 60 FPS in 1080p too ! Over 20 year old Pentiums can run windows 10 good, able to do 60 FPS in 1080p ! Bottleneck the RTX 4070 ti on old intels ? cheaper RTX card ?
Naam is Silva, You bought that RTX 4070 ti for it, still enough frames ! Or even cheaper GPU, still getting 60 FPS on old intels is all you need ? What is the best GPU for it ? keep the GTX 1080 card that came with it too ? only upgrade the GPU on RTX 40XX levels now ?
Hey dude. My Pc is bound to only have 230w psu, msi trident 3. People do wicked upgrades on it and upgraded their 1660 to a 4060 since both are the same tdp. Ive done that. But im stuck with an i5 8400. Do you think ill see big boosts if i upgrade to i7 8700/9700 worth it? Can do it for about $150 CAD Thanks
Great choice of chips to compare, but it's weird how the numbers are constantly showing a 20-30% improvement meanwhile your VO says they're "very close" etc. It feels like you're trying to sell me your 8700.
I have an i7 7700k with a 3070, has been pretty decent over the years. Had a msi 1080gpu before that just died on me, but I’ve been happy. Considering upgrading within a few years or so, but not sure
@@lharsay well I’m glad to hear I didn’t get the worst one lol. Curious to see what will be on the market within the next 3-5 years or so and if my cpu will start to show its age
And now the i5-13500 adds 8 e-cores on top of the 6 cores/12 threads. Crazy considering Intel did not budge from a 4-core 4-thread i5 for SEVEN generations.
Great video! I wonder how 8 cores on 9900k vs 12700 or 12900 perform, and interesting as well to compare with the 9700k as it doesn’t have hyper threading.
Not the exact setup but I can say having done the upgrade 9600K to 12700KF. I haven't tested the 12900KF I setup yet. The non ks should still be nice also. I think it's an IPC gain, It's been more smooth and less stuttery in recent games.
I've got a i5-12400 in my living room gaming computer, it has a 3070 for some nice solid performance on the TV and the Intel HD 770 runs as the dedicated transcoder for the plex server running on it and it's perfect.
Actually, pretty good results for i7 8700. Comparing price/performance it's good option. I would love to see how Ryzen 5 1600/2600 compare to it. Great video.
A few months back I was wondering if I should buy a second hand i7 8700, upgrading from i5 2500... Skipped that and went right into i5 12400. A 40% increase in price, but did not regret my choice. Edit: By Jan 2023 I was still using G620 (;p). Upgraded to 2500, then to SSD (from HDD)... then got hooked with upgrading. Having 4 cores from 2 cores was awesome, but SSD upgrade was the real MVP.
My frame times are a lot better with CS2 than CSGO, despite having overall less avg FPS. Prob thanks to upgrading to Source 2 since I'm sure the updates were getting taxing on Source 1 for CSGO lol
I've got this CPU and I've bought the 6700 XT as an upgrade for my old 1050Ti. Pretty exciting, there's about to be some serious gaming done. I'm considering an upgrade to the 12700KF tho
Crazy to see the gains/IPC improvements over latest gen, been running a few benchmarks on an older Ryzen and getting handily beat by newer i3 in CPU tasks regardless of cores/threads. Edit: Lol first CS2 gameplay I've seen, did they just smear some Vaseline over the screen and call it a day?
I too have the I7 8700K, running at 4.7Ghz, and I wonder wether my RTX3070 is held back by CPU? when I look at CPU usage during gaming, my CPU is never above 60-70% at the absolute most, but according to test, I think my RTX 3070 can't run it's full potential?
late to this party lol. i got a I7 8700K with a 2080. starting to feel the GPU limit with FF16. this vid and a few others tell me i could rock the 8700k a little longer and upgrade the GPU
If you have an 8700 there's no need to buy a 12400F, but if you're building a new one, the 12400F is the right choice. 8700 is still too expensive for second hand.
Want to upgrade to 12400f but motherboard cost is just a big scam. It is a scam they charge so much for crap entry level at premium price where few gens back was top of the line z series
I JUST WANNA PUT A COMMENT TO SAY THAT A E3 1270V3 IS STILL LIKE A CHAMP AND FULFILL MY NEED, AND A I5 8400 IS MORE THEN ENOUGH FOR ME. The i5 integrated graphics is able to handle Minecraft with medium setting shaders enabled at playable frame rates. This proof how powerful it is for just a intergrated graphics. The performance surpassed all NVIDA GT6xx and GT7xx too
30% uplift, over 4 years later. Nothing to get excited about The i7-8700 (or i5-10400F) are stil pretty decent Gaming CPU's, on the old but still good 14nm low latency "Skylake" ringbus architecture. And still one of the best for e-Sport (i9-10900K is maybe the e-Sport king) I would not recommend Alder Lake for competitive e-Sport, because they have a latency issue, despite the higher IPC.
3:29 Still think your system is too powerful for 1080p lowest, you could get away with my i5-4460 and 2GB GTX 960 (along with 16GB DDR3-1600) and still get respectable results at lowest. The 2080Ti was NOT designed for 1080p lowest gaming.
Core i5 10400 is more relevant. 8th gen motherboards and i7 8700 will cost you more than decent B series motherboard and i5 10400 chip. But jumping from i7 8700 to i7 14700K. The difference is night and day in Battlefield 2042, Battlefield V and Apex legends.
This is a great review of the i7. I found a perfect condition, hp envy model "795-0050" in the dumpster at my apartment. It works great, and looks great. Why would anyone throw it away. Gpu is a 1060 rtx. 1 nvme HD and a 1tb older HD.
I mean im still rocking my old Ryzen 5 1600 AF. All I need is a b550 motherboard with pcie gen 4 and ryzen 5 5800X3D then I can use that for the next 5 years and stay on am4. I do rock Hyper X Fury 4x8GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL16.
I have a 12400 and an 8700k @ 5ghz. They trade blows based on GPU and game. The i5 13400 beats all of them and the i9 9900k @5.2ghz. After almost a year, the i5 12400 kicks my 8700k around. The 8700k is slower than it. Period.
I was quite surprised to find recently that an Intel N95 (low end celeron-esque quad core in my mini-pc that I use for drawing) performs better than the i5-4440 (middle of the road quad core) that I had back in 2014 - 2018! And by quite a lot.
Still have the leggendary combo (8700k limited edition) 8086k + 1080ti, i like to play in 4K, so i'am waiting for 5090 to be bottlenecked by my 8086k XD but only in 4K, i'm gonna save some electricity, just need 4K 60fps
Yep pretty much anything with 6 or 8 cores can last a long time to the point you don't worry about bottleneck CPU but if your CPU or motherboard won't die XD would be interesting to do the same comparison but with 4GBx2 RAM vs 8GBx2 RAM. Plenty of people keep parooting 8GB RAM is outdated but in my experience is still enough for majority of games
1080p you need, 60 FPS enough ? Any intel 6900 and up will do, old 8700. What will bottleneck you GPU the most ! Try to do RTX 4070 Ti test on older intels, why are the old i7 models better than the i5 models ? You can still get 60 FPS on older systems, just get a new GPU only !
I run the 8086k oc with ram 64gb @4000mhz with a 7900xtx lmao. Big cpu bottleneck on the gpu, but Im in between upgrades and can hold off on a new mobo and cpu. I'm actually very impressed with this cpu considering I got it back after HS in 2018, It still runs all the games I play @ 1440p 120fps almost always at max graphics settings with this card, if not definitely @ around 75fps with afterburn. Might wait for the new gen arrow lake and be mind blown by the speed lol. Until then this cpu still goes hard and totally not obsolete yet.
I just recently upgraded my 8700 build to a 12600 build. I had INSANE luck at the E-waste, i found 7 i5-8600 optiplexes, a 10th gen i5 optiplex and an i5 12600 optiplex, so i sold all the 8600s and then bought an lga 1700 board and im using the trash picked 12600 haha. still have the 10505, if anyone is interested lemme know and ill throw it up on ebay and give a good discount.
Since 90% of gamers isn't owning better than RTX 2080/RX 6800, a few years old CPU is just fine BUT only when buying together with motherboard one should find good deal (i.e. 100 bucks for a combo of Coffee Lake or Ryzen 3000)
Hey bro your after burner shows the 12400f top out at 3994mhz and it doesn't seem to boost to advertised 4.4ghz. This is causing the 2080ti to have poor utilization. The 12400f should not be bottlenecking a 2080ti, but in your video the 2080ti rarely reaches 99% utilization.
So rn I have a rtx 3060 gpu and I was going to go with a z690 motherboard and thought about getting the i7 8700k is this a good combo? (Only wanting to play at 1080p and want to play titles like cod, Fortnite and other stuff like that?) please someone respond quick
My school has a butt load of 8700 and 8500 systems that they’re literally going to throw away with 13th gen replacements this year. Crazy to think coffee lake is “outdated” in a sense, but I’m about to dumpster dive and pick up HELLA chips for free
so a guy that had a 8700k for many years, the upgrade to my 13600 was literally night and day, however i dont play singleplayer games, just multiplayer and thats where youll see the biggest difference. even my partners 9500f to 13400f was amazing for a pretty good fps uplift but smoothness and much higher 1% lows
![Intel Core i7-8700 + RTX 3070 - Test in 28 Games! [1080p] in 2024!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RsvZ1QQWg4Q/mqdefault.jpg)
After living through the "14nm quad cores are good enough until the end of time" period at Intel while AMD was eating crayons, it still surprises me to see substantial CPU perfomance gains these days.
Yeah part of me is surprised that we don’t still have quad core i7s haha
AFAIK the 8700/k came out the same year as Zen 1 and it still made a joke of Zen 1 and Zen + in performance, especially with all the RAM issues AMD had with early chips.
@@Spiggle.yeah, they didn’t get competitive until zen 2 but first gen zen was still decent value
@@Spiggle. That's why I bought an 8700k, but the R5 1600x I built my mate at the same time has served him better - he's still not maxed it out.
...especially after the APUs (like 2200G & 2400G) came along. Also that's when the RAM issues were all gone. And that's why I'm still on my Ryzen 5 2400G.
I'm using an i7 8700k since 2018. Still able to game comfortable with an rtx 2070 super and 32gb ram
@makaan1932
8700k on fast DDR4 is still able to do 60 FPS, and is not bottlenecking that old GPU too.
If you need that RTX 4070 ti now or better, it will, keep the DDR 4, only replace that CPU for some cheap 1700 intel board ! Keep the rest !
Buy the 5060 ti next year only, keep the old RIG 3 more years?
@@lucasremlearn how to use periods in you sentences.
What is your resolution?
Like me 😂
Me too with RTX 3080ti
I have an i7 8700k paired with a GTX 1060 6GB. I'm happy with the performance of the combination.
easy gpu upgrade, can keep the 8700k
I also have an 8700k and its paired with a 2080 (nonsuper). I game at 1440p and always get above 60fps in most games... which is awesome! But sadly I wouldnt call it "high refresh rate gaming" unless im playing a nondemanding shooter like CS2. I feel like my 8700k does bottleneck my 2080 a bit on certain games. (Especially newer game titles that prefer newer CPU's) Ive had this build since 2018 and man... I cannot wait to upgrade to a newer generation CPU/GPU!!
@BREEZYM6015
Here i did RTX 4070 Ti on old 6900k, and Pentium, Core Duo Extreme.
You can still get 60 FPS 1080p on over 20 year old Pentiums on Windows 10, bottleneck the new RTX 4070ti on it ?
If you only need 60 FPS, Pentium + RTX 4090 ti will do it perfect too ! Keep the old systems !
Ultra room for upgrade, 8600k and 6800XT here
I got a killer deal on an old inventory laptop with a 8750k and gtx 1070 for only $300. Doesn't compare to my main rig but it's a nice little laptop for cheap.
I have a 3rd gen i7, 3770k in an old PC and it still pushes on like a champ. Paired with a GTX 1650, it is a solid living room gaming PC, with emulation up till the Xbox 360
If you don’t play anything from 2018 or newer, that’s all you need
Third Gen i7s are awesome. They're dirt cheap because they don't support AVX2 - the only reason I upgraded from mine was to emulate PS3. My nephew has my old rig with a 1050 ti, and he's loving his first PC.
@@bornonthebattlefront4883, I was using an i7 3770k@4.2GHz and DDR3 2000MHz until a few months ago, paired with an RX 590 and I ran a lot of graphics intensive games at high settings at 1080p.
@TechOrigami
If it runs Windows 10, you can play any title on it.
Keep the GTX 1080 Ti forever too ? GTX 1650 better then GTX 1080 now ? The same ? Keep it please !
NOT getting 60 FPS on it, not needed ! Modern games, only upgrade the GPU to RTX 4060 Ti 64 GB now ?
the biggest lie the gaming tech influencers ever pushed, is that we need to upgrade our CPUs on the regular xD
Unless you're gaming on the uber high end with the most expensive GPUs and fancy high refresh rate freesync monitors, any 4 core 8 thread CPU back to ivy bridge is probably still fine.
For those building on the thrift, entire PC builds with ivybridge, haswell, skylake etc would still be fine too. just pair it with a midrange GPU and you're fine for 1080p and even 1440p at reasonable settings.
edit: if you're getting a used system, getting an old B350 / B450 with a ryzen 1600 or 2600 will probably be cheaper AND overclockable. overclocked that would be equivalent or faster than this i7 8700
These last few updates have been lovely for me. I have paired that same 2080Ti with a 2600k, 8700 (non-K) and now with a ryzen 5700x. For me the bottom lines of these vids is that the 2080Ti is a different kind of special flavour!
Oh hey. Thanks for reminding me my 5700X is coming in the mail today. I'll check the tracking.
@@Gatorade69hope it got to you safely :)
What was the jump from 2600k to 8700, same settings?
@@NegitoroIsBestShip It did !
I use 12400 in my builds most of the time (I have a good deal on them and Asus MB new from a contact) and people still try to sell 8700k and 9700k for ridiculous price around here anyway...
I’m trying to get a 9700k to replace a 9400f in my son’s PC but the prices for them are insane. You can get a used 11400f (different board) that matches/beats the 9700k for half the price but I need a 9th gen to go in his board.
Anyway can you make a comparison between 12400f and 13400f? I just want to know how much % is the difference on those two processors and pair it with an 2080ti or 3070
Yeah that’s on my to do list :)
In gaming not much. But in productivity yes, the 13400 is like a 12600k.
@@RandomGaminginHDI'm curious to see an i7 8700 vs 9700 video if possible 😊
I still have that CPU still good but I'm selling my build after 4 years 😢
"Starfield doesn't like -those older architecture- GPUs."
Starfield is such an abomination of optimization. 2080ti can't even hit 60fps at 1080p thats actually a pathetic joke lol.
I'm on the i7 8086K paired with a gtx 1080, going strong since 2018 and hoping to continue using it (maybe with a 3070 in the future)
I didn't actually expect the i7-8700 to be that close in performance 😅
Still rocking one, but I never compared it to newer CPU's.
its the same cpu as i5-10400 and 11400 and the 8700k has almost the same clock speed as the 10600k and 11600k. Yeap, Intel did that back in the days.
it's pretty common to underestimate CPUs, but they last much longer than GPUs do
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Thank you. I’m still running my 8700 with a 1070ti and after this I’m feeling less of the need to start planning for an upgrade at this point in time.
Again thank you for making the effort to do these comparisons. I know they take time.
Im still rocking an i7 8700 paired with an rtx 3060 powered by a 750 psu in 2024. She runs strong playing every game I love to name a few, Battlefield 2042, Diablo 4, Iracing sim and Mech Warior online in 3840×2160 over 60 fps. I dont know when I will upgrade but this is the best CPU I ever owned.
How is fortnite? I'm looking at upgrading to i7 8700. I have rtx 3060 12gb
@@speedfreaks-sa man, i play helldivers 2 at 50 fps with a I7 8700 and a RX560 4gb, you surely can play fortnite!
Could be worth testing the i7-8700 with Baldur's Gate 3 . You may have already seen Gamers Nexus' video of testing with the game with newer & older GPU's - where they found that the game could be more instructive for CPU benchmarking because turn based gameplay isn't as demanding on GPU's (unlike real time shooters & adventure games) , and (I could be wrong) more of the bottlenecks was on the CPU side than the GPU side.
Maybe one way to add a twist to the video is to demonstrate how an Englishman from the land of J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis plays these 'Dungeons & Dragons'.
lmao, baldurs gate 3 is surprisingly demanding on the gpu side, neither of my laptops can run it at anything but 720 fsr garbage mode.
And even then im only getting like 20 fps.
I'm feeling if it was better GPU the gain with 12400F would be even bigger.
I love my i7 8700k. Its showing its age a little bit, but I have it paired with solid DDR4 and an RTX 3090. Still going strong at 3840x1600. The only game that has actually caused me issues recently is Starfield.
Even high end gaming PC’s will struggle to get Starfield above 55fps at 4k. Even when they’re built for it. That game is so demanding
yea man you're one of the most original tech youtubers i will gladly give you a like.
I appreciate that!
since I'm stuck with an old alienware hand me down, I upgraded my i5 8400 to an i7 8700 for $100. also went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti for $240 (DLSS is a legit game changer). net cost would be about $150 for both. works fantastic for any recent games 1440p at ~80-100fps
And you would have 30% more fps if 12700k,13600k or ryzen 7600.
@@Jjanssoni then I'd be looking at $500+ in upgrades. new CPU, ram, case, cooler. not worth it when the vast majority of games don't need a better CPU than an i7-8700. even the i5-8400 is fine. Plus playing at 1440p helps push more of the workload on the GPU
@@nintendork07 Doesnt matter what game you play when your cpu is holding back your gpu at all games. I would say your fps would be close to same with rtx2080. Btw i have 2080ti aswell and tried that with ryzen 3600,ryzen 5600x and now 12700k.
Running the I5 12400F, and it's been so good to me. A testament to how well the 8700 has been for other gamers😊
I got a 12500, basically the same thing with slightly faster boost. I love it. I came from an old i5-2400 so it was night and day when I swapped
@@lurch789 i dunno. As far as them being "overpriced", I bought an i3 prebuilt for $100 and got the i5 for $50 on ebay... so I'm not complaining😁
@@colestowing8695 I'm hoping my PC last as long as the 2400 did. What a legendary CPU generation
@@theanimerapper6351 Intel knocked out of the park with Sandy bridge. But once I switched I realized I probably stuck with it a little too long. With that said I still have that old system (just in case)
the i7 still rocking today even after all this time
Yeah still going strong!
@@RandomGaminginHD that means rtx 3060 can easily run games on i7 8700 !
@@reckergamer5247this is what I was planning to pair together would that be a good pair for 1080p gaming?
12400F can be better suited for additional hardware that is new, like PCI e 4.0 storage and GPU and as many of the newer mid range GPUs only has 8 lanes this can have some impact.
@@lurch789 not really, these days many mid range cards(like 4060TI, RX7600) etc uses 4.0 x8 instead of 4.0 x16, cutting the bandwidth in half, so when you put such a card in an old system it is only getting 3.0 x8, that limits the performance in some scenarios. You might want to check modern benchmarks.
I 'believe' this chip will game so close to an r5 3600, (2 or 3% spread) which can be bought new for ~ £87, the 8700 non 'k' is not worth worrying about.
Undoubtedly a used box with r5 3600 will be similar money
(I can see a new b520 for £38 first search and ddr4 3200 is now cheap)
The i9-9900k you want to test is an 8 core 16 thread cpu that cost near £500 back then,
I can GUARRANTEE you in gaming a currently sub £180 new in box
R7 5700 (not 'X') will p1ss all over it (and also in just about everything else, sipping power with a £20 air cooler).
The i9 was the max for those chipsets, intel plans it that way and NEVER drops prices.
That i9 is a furnace power gobbler w4nk cpu.
Ive been watching u from 2018 and your content is literally the same. Never change man
Hi, will i7 8700 be enough for light video editing with premiere pro ? With a 16 gig 2666 mhz ram? Please answer
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Still rocking my 8600k since it released. delided on Liquid Metal clocked at 5.1ghz quiet as a mouse hovers around the 60s still while heavy gaming. I think I’ll wait another year or 2 before I change her out.
Nice brother. You respect your money
Your voice is so similar to zwormz. I suspect are you his brother or something
The 8700 was still sold in stores up until March-April around here for 400€.. The 12400F is 155€... Used 8700s range from ~90€ to 150€.
I've been using i7-8700K , at 4.9Ghz, for almost 5 years, paired with a GTX 1080 Ti, before changing to i7-13700K (and the reason for that is I bought an RTX 4080).
An incredibly solid CPU, which now serves my server purposes (undervolted, cos it's overkill for my home server).
I think it would be interesting to compare power draw when comparing older hardware with newer hardware
My new Rig came with a Gold Coolermaster rated 600 PSU branded by OMEN, only the board and the GPU, 4 PCI lanes for the NVMe on i7, why bigger PSU ?
My old RIG PSU is 750 Watt, for that X99 Xeon SLi, needing less power now.
My next build will be StrongARM by intel again, plus ARC onboard, 100 Watt enough !
There is a huge difference. The 12400 maxes at 185w while the 8700k @5ghz can heat your room at 300+ watts.
The 8700 in this example, has a consistent lower power draw with very little loss in performance.
@@spritbong5285 it's actually a large gulf in performance
It uses less than 150w at 5ghz all core.. Ur confused with 13900k (I have a 8700k)
Going to buy tomorrow the I7 8700k with Asus z370 mobo, it will be upgrade my son PC I5 2500k. Going to pair the 8700k with 1070 ti 8g
Got a i7-8700 + Z390A + 32GB RAM for 180ish EUR/USD around xmas last year, was very nice upgrade for me, could just move over old cooler and put a cheap M2 drive in there, just needed to adjust stock voltages which were way too high (dropped 20-25W power consumption at full load).
using a 3300x paired with a 2060, so far still holding up pretty good, but i am looking to buy a 5800x3d maybe next year
May want to be quick, prices in Germany seem to be increasing again - could be Christmas season but also zen 5 is just around the corner
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Still using this and thank god it supports Windows 11. Specs:
i7-8700K, 32GB DDR4 2666MHz RTX 2070 Super
Great combo there :)
My I7 8700 is still chugging along. Its paired with my RTX 3060Ti with some CPU heavy racing sims its still great at 4K
My work PC has a i7 8700 in it (no dedicated graphics card though) so its nice to see how it stacks up in games etc to newer CPUs. Great video!
@unionofslavstanrepublics2317
Some people get these office machines now, upgrade it to a Gaming system, only buying that new RTX 4070 Ti for it, bottleneck any CPU ?
You should be able to play any game on Windows 10, Pentium can run it, only getting a new GPU only, bottleneck that GPU ? or enough frames now !
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@@lucasremwhat are you going on about mate you’ve replied to almost every comment in this video not making any coherent sense and going on how a pentium will not bottle neck a 4070ti? Idk what you smoking but yes it will most certainly bottleneck a 4070ti 😂😂
Have you ever tried video editing with it ? If so how does it perform with Premiere pro? I wanna buy a i7 8700 for this purpose. And no graphics card
@@harrypotter_petronus buy yourself an ryzen 5 5600g and you will get much better Performance at Video Editing
Bro talk about timing a 2 weeks ago I basically did this upgrade went from an i7 8700 to a i5 12400. The 8700 wasnt giving me any problems or anything but basically got a crazy good deal plus the ability to finally use faster DDR4 ram was neat
Please try to do one video of the i5 12490F The Special Black Edition from China!
Very impessive of that 8700, expected a little worse.
8700K at 5ghz/4.7ring with high end ddr4 (4000mhz+) and 35ns memory latency should be on par in gaming and will actually give a snappier pc than 5600x/12400. So it's overall in a way better than these, I certainly wouldn't upgrade to recent locked 6 cores from that.
How are u able to run rivatuner with cs2. I have tried it multiple times it stopped working for csgo and never worked with cs2 for me i want to cap my fps using rivatunner
I have the 12400 in both my HTPC as well as my PLEX server. Very good bang for the buck as well as very good power consumption. I was able to get one of the 12400 for $150 from Amazon as they were on sale very briefly,
Was looking for this comparison, thanks Steve.
Thanks for watching :)
Good video. If you upgrade a 12400 to a 13500.. You will be surprised at the performance increase you get. Unlike the 12th gen, the 13500 is in a whole different class of cpu than the 13400. The 13500 is an awesome cpu.
@JamesSmith-sw3nk
My OLD systems kept on dying, X299 was very bad, i kept waiting for intels 7 to replace that, unable to upgrade it, too many BIOS errors, VRM and microcode issues.
Bought the best CHEAP Pre Build on the market, i7 13700 i7 4070Ti by OMEN, before that i was running the old RTX card on the Core Dual extreme, getting 60 FPS in 1080p too !
Over 20 year old Pentiums can run windows 10 good, able to do 60 FPS in 1080p ! Bottleneck the RTX 4070 ti on old intels ? cheaper RTX card ?
And what if 8700k delided and clocked 5.3ghz with 4400cl17 ram?
still rocking the 8700 paired with a 2070 super
Im still on my 8700k with a 3080 really good combo tho
The 8700 held up incredbly well.
Naam is Silva,
You bought that RTX 4070 ti for it, still enough frames !
Or even cheaper GPU, still getting 60 FPS on old intels is all you need ?
What is the best GPU for it ? keep the GTX 1080 card that came with it too ? only upgrade the GPU on RTX 40XX levels now ?
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Hey dude. My Pc is bound to only have 230w psu, msi trident 3. People do wicked upgrades on it and upgraded their 1660 to a 4060 since both are the same tdp. Ive done that. But im stuck with an i5 8400. Do you think ill see big boosts if i upgrade to i7 8700/9700 worth it? Can do it for about $150 CAD
Thanks
Got to love ipc improvements.
Great choice of chips to compare, but it's weird how the numbers are constantly showing a 20-30% improvement meanwhile your VO says they're "very close" etc. It feels like you're trying to sell me your 8700.
add background for benchmark scores... becomes easier to spot them
Picked up a sweet deal today on I asuz z390 board with a 8700k 8 gigs ram and a 1 terabyte 970 nvme for 100 us
i got my z390 back in 2020 for $70, they were doing a clearance sale
Hmm... I'd like to see i7 8086k vs i5 12400
Why not an 4k test? I am running 8600 with a 3060ti and most games the gpu is 99% load. Cpu 90%
You dont test cpu in 4k
The i7 8700(K) buyers made a very good choice back then, those CPUs are still capable today. RIP anyone who bought an i5 7600K in 2017.
I have an i7 7700k with a 3070, has been pretty decent over the years. Had a msi 1080gpu before that just died on me, but I’ve been happy. Considering upgrading within a few years or so, but not sure
@@louis1234_ the 7700K was certrainly not terrible but the 7600K with only 4 threads aged like milk.
@@lharsay this is true, 7600k was the worst cpu you could spend money on in 2017
@@lharsay well I’m glad to hear I didn’t get the worst one lol. Curious to see what will be on the market within the next 3-5 years or so and if my cpu will start to show its age
And now the i5-13500 adds 8 e-cores on top of the 6 cores/12 threads. Crazy considering Intel did not budge from a 4-core 4-thread i5 for SEVEN generations.
Yeah things have come along way. I’d really like to test the 13500 actually
Great video! I wonder how 8 cores on 9900k vs 12700 or 12900 perform, and interesting as well to compare with the 9700k as it doesn’t have hyper threading.
Not the exact setup but I can say having done the upgrade 9600K to 12700KF. I haven't tested the 12900KF I setup yet. The non ks should still be nice also. I think it's an IPC gain, It's been more smooth and less stuttery in recent games.
I've got a i5-12400 in my living room gaming computer, it has a 3070 for some nice solid performance on the TV and the Intel HD 770 runs as the dedicated transcoder for the plex server running on it and it's perfect.
Actually, pretty good results for i7 8700. Comparing price/performance it's good option. I would love to see how Ryzen 5 1600/2600 compare to it. Great video.
I7 8700 beats them
No point in testing ryzen 1600, when ryzen 3600 is dirty cheap.
A few months back I was wondering if I should buy a second hand i7 8700, upgrading from i5 2500... Skipped that and went right into i5 12400. A 40% increase in price, but did not regret my choice.
Edit: By Jan 2023 I was still using G620 (;p). Upgraded to 2500, then to SSD (from HDD)... then got hooked with upgrading. Having 4 cores from 2 cores was awesome, but SSD upgrade was the real MVP.
I'm running an 8700k and i've been wondering for the last year or so if it is time to upgrade. I guess the answer is no... If i had a 2080 ti
It's interesting to look at the power draw of the 2 chips too I think! The i5 used less wattage in every test by the looks! Very impressive.
Hows it impressiv? Isnt that what almost every new cpu generation does? Higher clocks with lower wattage?
Power draw is interesting to watch. The i5 is consistently lower than the i7, yet still outperforms it.
I think there are still a significant number of people that dont understand that the generation of CPU is more important than the tier, I7, I5, I3
The 12400F is surprisingly power efficient for the huge increase in 1% and .1% figures it provides in gaming compared to the i7 8700.
My frame times are a lot better with CS2 than CSGO, despite having overall less avg FPS. Prob thanks to upgrading to Source 2 since I'm sure the updates were getting taxing on Source 1 for CSGO lol
Would you consider doing a comparison between an 11400 to a 12400? I'm kind of considering it but I'm not sure it's all that much of a difference
i'll save you get the 12400. the reason being in 10 years you can upgrade that CPU to a used 14th gen as they use the same sockets
I've got this CPU and I've bought the 6700 XT as an upgrade for my old 1050Ti. Pretty exciting, there's about to be some serious gaming done. I'm considering an upgrade to the 12700KF tho
Definitely a great GPU upgrade. The CPU upgrade will be nice too
@@RandomGaminginHD hah it'd be nice if i remembered to get the power cables for the card!
That's gotta be quite the framerate jump even without the CPU upgrade. The CPU certainly would be the icing on the cake, though.
@@fattomandeibu oh, totally. From barely getting 40 frames on lowest on cyberpunk to having stable 60 on really high settings. Pretty excited for that
@@fattomandeibuaight, I finally installed it. It feels ILLEGALLY fast lol
Crazy to see the gains/IPC improvements over latest gen, been running a few benchmarks on an older Ryzen and getting handily beat by newer i3 in CPU tasks regardless of cores/threads.
Edit: Lol first CS2 gameplay I've seen, did they just smear some Vaseline over the screen and call it a day?
I'm still running a stock 8700 paired with a rtx 3060ti and 32gb 3600. Runs most games well at 1440p. Not sure it's worth the upgrade just yet.
I7 is also at 4.2 ghz, instead of 4
And in 70 degrees instead of 60
I am watching this with my ever living desktop i7-8700 paired with GTX 1050 3GB, holds my games perfectly in 1080p medium and normal.
Testing these kinda of chips throw in Ark: Survival Evolved. It looooves new architecture chips
I too have the I7 8700K, running at 4.7Ghz, and I wonder wether my RTX3070 is held back by CPU? when I look at CPU usage during gaming, my CPU is never above 60-70% at the absolute most, but according to test, I think my RTX 3070 can't run it's full potential?
Excelent vídeo, thank you very much.
late to this party lol. i got a I7 8700K with a 2080. starting to feel the GPU limit with FF16. this vid and a few others tell me i could rock the 8700k a little longer and upgrade the GPU
If you have an 8700 there's no need to buy a 12400F, but if you're building a new one, the 12400F is the right choice. 8700 is still too expensive for second hand.
I'm still using i7 8700 I think it's time to upgrade i don't want any bottleneck for my rx6800.
Want to upgrade to 12400f but motherboard cost is just a big scam.
It is a scam they charge so much for crap entry level at premium price where few gens back was top of the line z series
exactly! i bought my (open box) z390 for $80 usd, today for that price you can only get H boards
The i7-8700K and GTX 1080 Ti may be the best CPU GPU combination of all time.
I JUST WANNA PUT A COMMENT TO SAY THAT A E3 1270V3 IS STILL LIKE A CHAMP AND FULFILL MY NEED, AND A I5 8400 IS MORE THEN ENOUGH FOR ME. The i5 integrated graphics is able to handle Minecraft with medium setting shaders enabled at playable frame rates. This proof how powerful it is for just a intergrated graphics. The performance surpassed all NVIDA GT6xx and GT7xx too
30% uplift, over 4 years later. Nothing to get excited about
The i7-8700 (or i5-10400F) are stil pretty decent Gaming CPU's, on the old but still good 14nm low latency "Skylake" ringbus architecture. And still one of the best for e-Sport (i9-10900K is maybe the e-Sport king)
I would not recommend Alder Lake for competitive e-Sport, because they have a latency issue, despite the higher IPC.
3:29 Still think your system is too powerful for 1080p lowest, you could get away with my i5-4460 and 2GB GTX 960 (along with 16GB DDR3-1600) and still get respectable results at lowest.
The 2080Ti was NOT designed for 1080p lowest gaming.
Core i5 10400 is more relevant. 8th gen motherboards and i7 8700 will cost you more than decent B series motherboard and i5 10400 chip. But jumping from i7 8700 to i7 14700K. The difference is night and day in Battlefield 2042, Battlefield V and Apex legends.
This is a great review of the i7. I found a perfect condition, hp envy model "795-0050" in the dumpster at my apartment. It works great, and looks great. Why would anyone throw it away. Gpu is a 1060 rtx. 1 nvme HD and a 1tb older HD.
recently upgraded to this cpu paired with an 8gb 3050, it's great for 1080p gaming
I mean im still rocking my old Ryzen 5 1600 AF. All I need is a b550 motherboard with pcie gen 4 and ryzen 5 5800X3D then I can use that for the next 5 years and stay on am4. I do rock Hyper X Fury 4x8GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL16.
I have a 12400 and an 8700k @ 5ghz. They trade blows based on GPU and game. The i5 13400 beats all of them and the i9 9900k @5.2ghz. After almost a year, the i5 12400 kicks my 8700k around. The 8700k is slower than it. Period.
I was quite surprised to find recently that an Intel N95 (low end celeron-esque quad core in my mini-pc that I use for drawing) performs better than the i5-4440 (middle of the road quad core) that I had back in 2014 - 2018! And by quite a lot.
Still have the leggendary combo (8700k limited edition) 8086k + 1080ti, i like to play in 4K, so i'am waiting for 5090 to be bottlenecked by my 8086k XD but only in 4K, i'm gonna save some electricity, just need 4K 60fps
Yep pretty much anything with 6 or 8 cores can last a long time to the point you don't worry about bottleneck CPU but if your CPU or motherboard won't die XD
would be interesting to do the same comparison but with 4GBx2 RAM vs 8GBx2 RAM. Plenty of people keep parooting 8GB RAM is outdated but in my experience is still enough for majority of games
1080p you need, 60 FPS enough ?
Any intel 6900 and up will do, old 8700. What will bottleneck you GPU the most !
Try to do RTX 4070 Ti test on older intels, why are the old i7 models better than the i5 models ? You can still get 60 FPS on older systems, just get a new GPU only !
I run the 8086k oc with ram 64gb @4000mhz with a 7900xtx lmao. Big cpu bottleneck on the gpu, but Im in between upgrades and can hold off on a new mobo and cpu. I'm actually very impressed with this cpu considering I got it back after HS in 2018, It still runs all the games I play @ 1440p 120fps almost always at max graphics settings with this card, if not definitely @ around 75fps with afterburn. Might wait for the new gen arrow lake and be mind blown by the speed lol. Until then this cpu still goes hard and totally not obsolete yet.
I just recently upgraded my 8700 build to a 12600 build. I had INSANE luck at the E-waste, i found 7 i5-8600 optiplexes, a 10th gen i5 optiplex and an i5 12600 optiplex, so i sold all the 8600s and then bought an lga 1700 board and im using the trash picked 12600 haha. still have the 10505, if anyone is interested lemme know and ill throw it up on ebay and give a good discount.
Since 90% of gamers isn't owning better than RTX 2080/RX 6800, a few years old CPU is just fine BUT only when buying together with motherboard one should find good deal (i.e. 100 bucks for a combo of Coffee Lake or Ryzen 3000)
Hey bro your after burner shows the 12400f top out at 3994mhz and it doesn't seem to boost to advertised 4.4ghz. This is causing the 2080ti to have poor utilization. The 12400f should not be bottlenecking a 2080ti, but in your video the 2080ti rarely reaches 99% utilization.
So rn I have a rtx 3060 gpu and I was going to go with a z690 motherboard and thought about getting the i7 8700k is this a good combo? (Only wanting to play at 1080p and want to play titles like cod, Fortnite and other stuff like that?) please someone respond quick
My school has a butt load of 8700 and 8500 systems that they’re literally going to throw away with 13th gen replacements this year. Crazy to think coffee lake is “outdated” in a sense, but I’m about to dumpster dive and pick up HELLA chips for free
I'm using an i5 - 9400f since 2018. Still able to game comfortable with an RX 590 and 32gb ram
so a guy that had a 8700k for many years, the upgrade to my 13600 was literally night and day, however i dont play singleplayer games, just multiplayer and thats where youll see the biggest difference. even my partners 9500f to 13400f was amazing for a pretty good fps uplift but smoothness and much higher 1% lows