MASSIVE Shop Update! New Brown & Sharpe Milling Machine!
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2023
- New milling machine!
Finally, after 2 years of searching I've found it!
For today's project we will be retrieving and moving my new Brown & Sharpe No. 2 milling machine.
I couldn't be more excited to have a milling machine of this quality and potential in my little hobby shop.
This machine is an American made mechanical masterpiece.
It is a part of our industrial heritage, and an artifact of a time when things were built with ingenuity, pride, and the utmost attention to detail.
I look forward to putting this beauty into service, as its capabilities far exceed my own!
This is a heavy machine, easily the heaviest machine that I now own.
Moving a machine this heavy is no small task.
But with a little bit of innovation and smart use of the right tools, it's a job that can be done by one or 2 strong and motivated individuals.
To do the heavy lifting I'll be using a standard pallet jack, courtesy of harbor freight... 😂
And for transport, my go to method is the hydraulic lift trailer.
So, sit back and enjoy as my ever patient and amazing wife and myself undertake the monumental task of transporting this beast and getting it set into place in it's new home, my shop!
Who am I?
I'm a hobby machinist, with a passion for old machine tools and manual machining.
I am here to share and learn.
Being self taught, much of my limited knowledge, has come from others sharing their experiences online, just as I am doing now.
My hope, is that by putting my work in front of much more knowledgeable machinists, we can all learn something new together.
My Lathe: MSC / Prince 9517350 - 13x40 Manual Metal Lathe
My Milling Machine: Bridgeport Variable Speed Series 1 "J Head"
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Congrats on your new B&S No 2! You'll be stunned at the amount of material she'll remove. Absolutely fantastic to see your wife there helping out as that is a bit rare in the hobby.
Thank you so much! I am VERY excited! It's a whole different class of machine, that's for sure. And yeah, my wife is the absolute best. I wouldn't even have this channel if it wasn't for her. She supports, encourages, and believes in me when I don't believe in myself. I don't know where I'd be without her, but it wouldn't be anywhere I'd want to be, that's for sure.
@@hersch_toolWhat an inspiring tribute to your wife. This trade can be interesting to anyone, including ladies with a desire to learn. Why not?
@@ellieprice363 According to google, something like 2% of my audience is female. So, it's not zero at least. And Quinn from Blondi Hacks is an amazing machinist and teacher. So yeah, I agree. It's for anyone with the desire to learn, get their hands dirty, and make it happen. 👍
Congrats on the new to you machine.
Thanks very much! I'm pretty pumped. And thank you for watching!
Every single machine in my shop was transported in the rain….
Never fails. Purchase it, make the necessary arrangements, check the weather… and yes “chance of rain” equals rainfall the minute it is loaded onto the trailer…. Lol 😂
But that’s life I guess.
Every. Single. Time… 😭
B&S one of the best names in Machining, Congratulations
Couldn't agree more! A cut above, IMHO. And thanks very much, I'm pumped! Thank you for watching as well!
That’s a monster!
Lol yep, a bit of a beast!
Hmmmm, old school milling machine. Has some one come under the spell of Adam Booth ? You just have to love old machines. Can't wait to hear how rigid it is.
haha, yeah i love the old machines. and guilty as charged, abom has been a huge influence on me. i have learned SO MUCH from him. thank you for watching!
"I can't use special effects because..." Heh - that one got a chuckle. Have enjoyed your channel since I discovered it a few months ago. Keep up the good work.
Lol, glad you caught that. Knew the regular crew would get the joke lol. 😉 Thanks very much for watching and supporting the channel!
This “joke” caught my attention too..
Is that a “jab” at someone. Can a name be dropped by any chance ?!? 😏
@@replicant357 read through the comments on some of my vids, it'll make sense 😉
I don't mind different. I like different. I love watching the machine acquisition process. Kudos on the tie down and transport job. I can't wait to watch you bring Mr. B&S back to life! Good luck with each restoration project.
Thank you so much! Those hydraulic trailers are a secret weapon for moving machines! I was excited to share this and hoping that it wouldn't disappoint too much. It's quite a job restoring the old girl to her proper glory. I've been scrubbing for days... haha.
Bummer... I mean that's awesome! I have just been enjoying a lot of coincidences between our shops. I was hoping it was a Brown and Sharpe No2 surface grinder. Reminds me of the ol K&T mills. She's a beaut regardless! Gotta admit I'm a little jealous. (But glad it's yours not mine, cause if have to move it into my basement...)
Oof, yeah I can't imagine trying to get this beast into a basement. 😬 Just shy of 4K lb as far as I can tell. These are very similar to the K&Ts. B&S and K&T are IMHO the best quality milling machine manufacturers America has ever seen. Thanks very much for watching btw! Oh and I would love to have a B&S surface grinder! Really, anything made by B&S lol
Look good! dee dee here under my real name. Your machine has the same modern knee and table as my #2 plain standard that is a 1930s machine resurected as a war mongrel with the modern motor powered knee on the heavy earlier 1930s machine base 5000lbs, do not expect much out of the few manuals as the company had unmatched field service in the day. B&S made way too many changes compared to K&T but you will find the same knee on other models such as the Rangemaster sliding head mill. My experience so far is the B&S a little more precision, have fun with it, i am really getting a kick out my version.
Hey Dee Dee, thanks for stopping by and checking out my machine! I've been going back and rewatching all your vids about your B&S, they're really helpful. I'm very excited to get it up and running, but I'm gonna take my time and get it right, hopefully get it looking half as good as yours and I'll be happy. Cheers!
A good acquisition! It's massive in comparison to what I have. Love the trailer.
Yep, she's definitely a bit of a beast. And yeah, hydraulics for the win when it comes to moving machines. It's amazing what a single person can do with the help of hydraulics. Thanks for watching!
You can do it! You can do it!
Lol, my lovely wife, ever the encouragement. 😉
Looking forward to seeing your new toy all cleaned up and making chips!
Thanks very much! Me too! 😉
Man in jealous, I been wanting a Kerney and trecker for alot of years. One day, one day.....
Haha, yeah I'm pretty pumped. I feel very fortunate. You'll get one, just keep looking! Thanks for watching!
Nice new mill. It does look quite like a K&T 1H, which is a very capable machine for the size of machine.
Thanks very much! I'm pretty pumped about having a machine of this caliber in my little hobby shop. I'm sure it's far more capable then I am... 😅 And thank you for watching!
Forklifts are a really unfair cheat code I noticed since I got one
Yeah, I would like to get one but just don't have the room right now. Sure would help out a lot though! Thanks for watching!
Very Exciting acquisition. The most important first steps in moving and setting up a new machine..... no one was hurt and it fits 🎉🎉. That beast is going to be a blast to use. 👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks very much! I'm very excited and the move went relatively smooth. I can't wait to get it working!
Congrats on this mill. It’s one of the best of the old mills. B&S, Trecker, Cinci. You are lucky you got the vertical head. Your in for lots of work but I love my mills.
I have a vertical only version of this mill. But I also have the insane Omniversal #O. Look this one up!
I am having to move so my channel will have lots of moving and timber framing a new shop in Vermont. So these side projects are part of the experience.
Thanks very much, I'm very excited that I found the machine. I've wanted one of these for a while. I'm jealous btw lol, we want to get some land in maybe West Virginia at some point in the future. I'll have to check out your channel, sounds like there's gonna be a lot of interesting stuff happening there!
I have a 1939? B&S #2 light universal mill. Nice find!
Thanks! They are very nice machines. Mechanical work of art is what I say. Very pumped to have it! Thanks for watching btw!
Congratulations! Love seeing your channel grow.
I'd be very interested 1, or more, videos on the assessment and restoration if you're going down that road.
Also, a short one on getting it off the wood base, if you haven't already. No small feat with any machine, but that's a beast!
Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks very much! I am in disbelief, and filled with gratitude about the growth of the channel. I never would have imagined that so many people would be interested in what I'm doing, it has been and continues to be, AMAZING. I'm still unsure as to if/how to film the restoration. It's a LOT of work, I've already spent a few hours/days cleaning the machine but I will try to get something interesting on video during the process. And I'm not sure if I'm gonna take it off the wood base just yet. I'm 6' 1" and it's actually a rather short machine. So if I do take it off the wood base, then it'll likely be to put it on something similar but made of steel. I would use toe jacks to do the heavy lifting for that, and if/when I do get around to it I'll definitely get it on video and share it! Thank you very much for watching!
Cool video, new machine day is always exciting. You're gonna love having a horizontal mill. That's a real deal mill- not too big for a garage either. You probably know this already, but don't try to climb mill with arbor mounted milling cutters. I look forward to the restoration vid!
Thanks very much! And yeah I'm pretty darn stoked. Have a lot to learn, very different from my BP so it should be an adventure learning to use it lol
New subscriber here, looking forward to this machine series, my buddy is picking up one of these Tuesday 12/12. You have a great channel here!
Thank you! Can't tell you how much I appreciate the positive feedback! It really is what makes it all worth it. And thank you for the sub, see you on the next one!
My congratulations! 😃A very nice one! 👍
Thank you!
Thanks very much! I'm pretty excited about it!
One more toy to play with! Grats!
Thank you very much! Can't wait to get it up and running!
used one at work mostly did large clevises and aluminum specimens....hundreds of specimens. I would fill at least two 4x4 tub-skids a nite with chips!
Holy smokes that's moving some metal!
Did you rent that trailer from Sunbelt rental? If so I rented that exact same trailer to move my mill and lathe to my new garage shop 😊 I love how the bed squats to the ground to make loading sooooo much easier.
Haha, yep sure did. These trailers are the bees knees when it comes to moving equipment. Ever since I discovered them, they are my go to any time I have to move a machine. This trailer, a pallet jack, and a motivated person can get some serious equipment moved. Cheers, and thank you for watching!
Nice big machine. Looks heavier than my Kearney & Trecker horizontal. Interesting setup with the two motors. My K&T has power in all axis as well. But I haven't put a DRO on it. Not sure if I will, there are no flat surfaces to mount any of the scaled! LOL!
Haha yeah the lack of flat surfaces seems to be a common theme with these old machines. I guess they weren't thinking about DROs back when they designed them... 😅 I am big fan of the K&Ts as well, definitely similar. Thank you for watching!
The music 🎶 🫶🏼
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I've got two milling machines, I won't me one of those trailers that alsome, got plans??
Yeah, hydraulics are the way to go! What do you mean by plans? Thanks for watching!
@@hersch_tool plans for the build of that trailer.
@@kentuckytrapper780 oh it's a rental lol
How did you lift the B&S horizontal miller off the pallet truck and wooden blocks ?
I left it on the wood for now. I'm 6'-1" so taking it off would put it very low to the ground for me. I might take it off the wood, but if I do it'll just be to put it on a similar platform made of metal. I would use toe jacks to do that likely. Thanks very much for watching btw!
Toe-Jacks, yes of course. Thanks for the response.
Love the move and machine. Looks similar to the one that Josh Topper raised six inches and changed the oil. Raising and tilting the machine helped the oil change plus he found some plugged passages. I figure PA. Ohio, Indiana or Illinois. Which is it?
Yep, good call it's very similar. His is a Cincinnati though I think? But this one, the Cincinnati and the K&T model H are all very similar. I was basically looking for either one, but hoping to find the B&S because, well because it's B&S lol. And that's friggin brilliant, I am currently struggling with getting the 80 year old toxic sludge out of the coolant sump that's cast into the base of the machine, maybe tilting will help get some of it out. Thanks! Oh, and PA :)
great video
Thank you :)
nice machine are you from Delaware by chance
Thanks very much! I'm pretty stoked about it. And yes I'm from DE. Thank you for watching btw!
Do you still have the Bridgeport mill?
Yep, sitting right next to the B&S.
Can we vote on color? I think fuchsia would make your garage pop :)
AAAHAHAHAHA! This is either a brilliant idea, or a terrifying one... I can't decide which 🤣 I have to admit though, I don't hate the idea. Could be fun, or more likely I end up with a fuchsia machine, cause I know that's certainly what I'd vote for... 😅
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Flat black looks Sharpe on a machine of that age.
@@therestorationshop I see what you did there 😉
@@therestorationshopGloss black or RustOlem dark grey looks even Sharper.
You beat the invisible joke right outta me... I was all ready to type in something along the lines of occult forces unwrapping the machine, but you smacked that one outta my hands... Damn...
Quite interesting... My disease is stacking lathes it would seem, but you sir, you are a mill guy from what i can see... Inheritance Machining had a great little formula in his last video regarding the ideal number of lathes(or any machines really), where the ideal number is your current count plus one...
Also, nice job getting her indoors... I don`t know how heavy she is, but she looks around 1.7 tonnes to me, if she isn`t mostly hollow maybe around 2 tonnes, which is likely the state, as oldies werent hollow like bells, they were quite beefy and thickly cast... It can be a bitch getting them to move... I still remember the 3 tonne surface grinder that i had to move when that one arrived... Once moving, you can maintain the pace, but if she grinds to a halt(no pun intended), it`s 1m long crowbar or nothing, at least as long as you aren`t on smooth ceramic tiles or flat concrete... Tho, i see that you managed to resist wearing flip flops... I usually fail at that test, changing to proper shoes like halfway into the process when i get pissed of slipping away from, instead of pushing against a machine...
She sure looks like a nice machine... Can`t say much on the apparent state, but she doesn`t even seem loose in the hips, and the grime and scunge are a good rust inhibitor if it`s the result of caked up oil, rather than coolant... I`ve seen a few machines that looked terrible with all the grime all over them, only to realize that the grime was just decades of dust falling into a thick layer of slowly polymerizing oil, which acted like cosmoline or similar thick grease or wax compounds, leaving the machine in perfect order...
The only issue with her, like with most machines is that she is quite short... Without that wooden blocking, she would be quite badly positioned for you, from what i can see... Almost like most of the old machines were made for 5ft tall people exclusively, of course, other than moore jig grinders which are made for 7ft tall people...
Also, i found it funny how the wife has much more relaxed approach towards high precision machines and the enemy(the water)... Oh, it didnt rain... It neednt have rained... Just the sheer amount of moisture in the air is good enough to rust over a defenseless machine... Quite funny, as i often have people tell me stuff from that same perspective, not realizing that a machine that is supposed to be able to produce 1 micron runout parts does not tolerate any dust, rust or water whatsoever...
As said, nice work and a lovely machine... Most glad for you, and for the machine too, she gets to have a loving operator from now onwards... But seriously man, you have got to start hoarding lathes now, you gotta offset that count :P Maybe a monarch and a baby heavy south bend just for kicks... (im joking, dont overwhelm the shop... i just did it, and it feels like shit having to build a new shop because you refused to refrain form madness)
And, never excuse yourself for the type of video... For fucks sakes, people who love machines will enjoy it, those who dont, wont appreciate it anyway... If you get a jig grinder, it will be interesting, if its a lathe, its interesting, its like cooking... It doesnt matter if its regular bday cake or a majestic croquembouche or a boletus sauce and home made pasta... Sure, those who need instructions will seek out specific recipe, but us general fanatics are like pigs, we chow on anything that smells nice and looks good...
All the best and kindest regards!
Steuss
Lol, yeah it just came to me like a stroke of divine inspiration... 🤣 And maaaaan, I'll have to do a shop tour at some point in the future. It's worse than it looks lol. The little import bench mill is gonna get "CNC'd" at some point in the future. I would have done it already but honestly I really struggle with the electronics part. I just don't even know where to start with steppers, and servos, and controllers, and power supplies, etc. I get overwhelmed and just forget about it for a while. I dunno, hopefully one day I'll be able to wrap my head around it and make it happen. And yeah that wood skid sets the machine up a good 8". I had considered taking it off the skid so I could level it right on the concrete slab, but honestly that extra 8" of height is really putting the machine where it's much more useable for me so I'm keeping it on the wood. I'll figure out a way to level the whole platform. I think people must have just been shorter on average 80 some years ago when these were designed. But at 6' 1", this thing would be a back breaker without that wood skid.
Oh, and yeah just shy of 4000lb far as I can tell, so right around 1.7 ton. def got some weight to it.
@@hersch_tool
Oh yeah, so she is a plump lady as i thought... Well, truth be told, the heavier the better, that`s kind of a rule with machines, so one can`t bemoan the mass when it`s essentially that which allows all the best attributes of the machine to exist...
I get the moment, as said with my latest acquisition, they just sometimes appear to be sent unto you and you can`t help but take them in...
Speaking of height, there is a video by the topper machines i think, im really not sure, but it could be him, where the guy welds up and machines down a very nice machine riser platform outta say 5/8 inch steel plate... try to find something like that just as an inspiration... That, or just go to scrapyards and get some large tractor weights or similar... There are a lot of machines with quite chunky blocks of cast iron in nice shapes that were used as counterweights... Just snag 4 or however many you can and machine them into feet, or go the abom route and snag a monstrous hydraulic cylinder, slice some risers from that, machine them and use that as leveling feet...
Speaking of cnc, i get you... I left my pc studies back in high school, and i turned to manual stuff and analog systems, so i get the certain level of mental barrier when you just consider thinking about it... I will go the regular route of overkill, as while i may not know a whole lot about cnc, i know that if the system is strong enough to do all that i will need, i can easily learn how stuff works once i assemble it and fiddle with it a bit... Just put in all the stops and safety cut outs to prevent any damage while learning and getting used to the system... Just watch a video of a successful project in line with yours and appropriate the drives and component types... Once you start, it will keep you going until you finish it, even if there are delays in figuring shit out or searching for the right parts...
I`m looking forward to the shop tour... I can`t really make a shop tour of my own, nor really use the shop to any extent, as seen in the last vid, the shop is a god damn mess... I barely get to squeeze around and oil the surfaces... So enjoying a sight of another shop where you can actually take a full breath without squeezing against a machine is a nice thing while i wait for my shit to get sorted...
I`ll also be in business of making some machine risers, as my main lathe is so damn short that i would go mad with back pain if i had to use her as she is now... The only normal machine really is the small deckel s1 tool grinder as the whole working apparatus along with its controls is atop the machine, not somewhere around the waist line...
But as i`ll be making the shop, i may cast risers in the concrete for each machine, which is much easier and stable/rigid with regular machine feet than huge riser blocks... Tho, it makes it very fucky to get the machines into position, as you have to somehow lift the whole machine from above to settle them down upon the platforms... Hmmm...
Anyway, as said, glad that she found you, and that you got a nice machine... She will likely outmatch Bridget in removal capacities quite rudely, but that`s hardly the point anyway... I`ll stop this essay here, as its getting rather long...
All the best!
How many lathes is the right number of lathes? Simple Lathe_cnt = old_cnt + 1
@@devmeistersuperprecision4155 lol, facts
Thx, did you build that trailer?
Thanks for watching :) And no, it's a rental trailer.
@@hersch_tool i like the method for lift and drop.. was it hydraulics? Or some kind of winch hooked up?
@@KarpucMotoring It's hydraulics, the entire system is fully self contained in the trailer. They are fantastic for moving machines or other heavy things. With one of these trailers and a pallet jack, a single person, can get a LOT done. I moved a bridgeport using one of these completely by myself. I highly recommend them.
Nice machine. Did you say the head is 30 taper?
Thanks! I'm pretty pumped to have it. And yeah, the vertical head is a 30 taper cam lock "quick change". It's a 30 taper, but uses a cam lock instead of a draw bar. Normal 30 taper tooling will work but only after modification.
I may have some of this tooling that I got in a trade. How can I send a picture if you are interested.
@@jasonrogers6359 Really! That would be AWESOME! You can send me an email directly though this RUclips channel. (just click the channel description on the main page and it's there in the "about" section. I would be very much interested, thanks!
@@hersch_tool how we connect with this tooling. I don’t have anything with 30 taper
@@jasonrogers6359 No worries! Thanks for checking :)
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Thank you very much!
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👍 thank you for watching!
Those Crocs are not OSHA compliant.
That's what I said! Crocs are not for the shop!
@@hersch_tool Don’t tell Stefan Gotteswinter, Crocs are his shop footware 😂