This is why I'm so thankful for Cyberspace, a land that knows no bounds. There are no borders or bias - or at least none need exist. The code doesn't care either way. People of Earth, free to be themselves and to share their thoughts without fear of prosecution from their neighbors or rulers. I made a friend in Ireland that does wicked cool WiFi stuff. I told him he should meet up with the Seattle WiFi folks. He said he can't. Why? Because his passport says "South Africa" on it.
My mortal being was brought into an imperfect nation, given a name, a social security number, an education of history written by the victors - all the while being brought up told that I was free, not like those poor saps in that "other country". And you could argue that's the case - that we have it good over here in the "civilized western world" - but I don't see it as a utopia. Hell if Captain Picard taught me anything it doesn't exist, not even in the 24th century.
Interestingly Article 12 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was signed almost 65 years ago, states "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."
I've been one of those long-standing "I don't have anything to hide, what do I care?" types. And I'm still not too scared of what's out there, but I think Darren helped put it in a little more perspective. I appreciate it. Thanks Darren.
Without privacy we can't have freedom of expression. Without anonymity we're far from free of prejudice. If this tribe of humans on Earth is going to last another century we're going to need to live without fear of oppression.
that was heart felt. sir, i salute you. the words that came out of your mouth sum up my thoughts. i'm 28, so we're around the same age, i think. i never felt i belong, anywhere, but online. brethren, we are.
That said I don't believe in perfect anymore than I believe in flaws - we are the way we are and the Internet is simply a reflection of that--RUclips comments and all. So it's not about having Nothing To Hide anymore than it's about protecting the 4th amendment, of a constitution written by imperfect men--it's about staying free as a human tribe on Earth in cyberspace, a land that transcends these mortal vessels which must remain subject to the bounds of governance and society in physical space
Consider this. I was born into a nation of war. War in the Middle East, the War on Terror - when there wasn't a war one was made up - the War on Drugs. Trademark all the Wars, it'll be good for the economy. Meanwhile let's give up some liberties for the false sense of security. And while a nation of war and slavery, financial debt or otherwise, may be good for "the bottom line" - as if the nation were a faction in a real-time strategy game that could be won - it's not good for me.
Nice Mentor quote, I think I'm going to refer to this vid whenever someone brings up the argument about privacy or the openness of the internet. Thanks for sharing it openly and in a couple of minutes (people have short attention spans nowadays)
You know where he is free to go? Online. To quote The Mentor, we exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias. To me everyone on IRC is green text on a black screen. Now I'm not under the impression that the Internet is a utopia. Hell I spent a week at the United Nations finding out first hand - Nations see the Internet as a resource - THEIR resource - just as YOU are a human resource to the place from which you happened to have been born; Terran, Zerg or otherwise.
The debate about privacy online is not just about what you say in blogs, in e-mail, on your social network(s), on message boards, or even as comments on online news articles. Privacy online also matters when some creep wants to download pictures or video of your wife, or your daughter, or your son.... or YOU! With that whole set of concerns about Google Glass and its EVENTUAL misuse/abuse (for example), the need to defend privacy has become so much more important... unless you're the predator.
For those who have "nothing to hide"; how about we have the police come search your home unannounced periodically? Would you object to a couple of cops searching your home and going through all your stuff? If you have nothing to hide, then it shouldn't be a problem right? Ok then, time for your monthly home inspection! What do you mean you don't want the cops to come into your home once a month?!?! I thought you had nothing to hide. Privacy is important even if you have nothing to hide.
The internet is causing the liberty movement to grow faster every day. Free association leads to innovation and prosperity. The internet is anarchy at it's best and people are seeing this blossom into one of the greatest man-made creations. One day we will all be free individuals who interact voluntarily without the need for coercion or aggression. The internet is just the first step to Peace and Prosperity.
While we're referring to Cpn. Picard, I always liked his "Vigilance is the price we must continually pay." I set up Mailvelope with PGP, and I like it. The problem is that it depends on everyone you correspond with being willing to participate. I don't know anyone else using it. It would be nice if that had something that does an automated check for a public key, as soon as you put in a recipient's email address.
Could you imagine voting for your leader without privacy? And while Privacy, like security, isn't always convenient - nothing worth having seems to come easy. Moreover in a society without rich or poor, without power or status - ultimately it's your reputation and honor that matter. This has been the case on IRC since 1988. Are you a Good Guy Greg or a Scumbag Steve?
Wow, I can't believe I'm being compared to Cereal. You know speaking of honor I take that as one. "You can sit at home, and do like absolutely nothing and and your name goes through like seventeen computers a day. 1984, yeah right man, that's a typo. Orwell's here and now, he's living large. We have no names, man, no names. We are nameless."
The Internet was the last great hope at a true democracy. And it is such a shame that we're a republic (in the eyes of the government). It's not so much why we need to be anonymous as it is why should we make it "easy" for those who wish us ill will.
Cyberspace has allowed us to be enslaved. Although during our enslavement we still communicate though these intertubes. We're free on here. What happens when they try and take our cyberspace (PIPA SOPA TTP)? It wont happen. Keep strong humanity.
take my love take my land take me where I cannot stand I don't care I'm still free you can't take the sky from me take me out to the black tell 'em I ain't coming back burn the land and boil the sea you can't take the sky from me have no place I can be since I found Serenity but you can't take the sky from me
Nice rant, yet you still barely grazed the tip. You were heading in a direction that far surpasses the issue of privacy. Regarding people who care not about privacy out of the perspective they have nothing to "hide", no amount of logic nor words could persuade them to analyze their viewpoint, let alone act as a catalyst to changing it. As for that charter, dig deeper, it's not all fluffy, happy clouds......some incredibly horrorifying content!
This is why I'm so thankful for Cyberspace, a land that knows no bounds. There are no borders or bias - or at least none need exist. The code doesn't care either way. People of Earth, free to be themselves and to share their thoughts without fear of prosecution from their neighbors or rulers.
I made a friend in Ireland that does wicked cool WiFi stuff. I told him he should meet up with the Seattle WiFi folks. He said he can't. Why? Because his passport says "South Africa" on it.
My mortal being was brought into an imperfect nation, given a name, a social security number, an education of history written by the victors - all the while being brought up told that I was free, not like those poor saps in that "other country".
And you could argue that's the case - that we have it good over here in the "civilized western world" - but I don't see it as a utopia. Hell if Captain Picard taught me anything it doesn't exist, not even in the 24th century.
Interestingly Article 12 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was signed almost 65 years ago, states "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."
I've been one of those long-standing "I don't have anything to hide, what do I care?" types. And I'm still not too scared of what's out there, but I think Darren helped put it in a little more perspective. I appreciate it. Thanks Darren.
Without privacy we can't have freedom of expression. Without anonymity we're far from free of prejudice. If this tribe of humans on Earth is going to last another century we're going to need to live without fear of oppression.
Watching this again.... this was so long coming and is one of Darrens greatest moments, IMHO.
I tend not to get too ideological on Hak5 but if you're picking up what I'm throwing down check out the vlog.
that was heart felt. sir, i salute you.
the words that came out of your mouth sum up my thoughts. i'm 28, so we're around the same age, i think.
i never felt i belong, anywhere, but online. brethren, we are.
That said I don't believe in perfect anymore than I believe in flaws - we are the way we are and the Internet is simply a reflection of that--RUclips comments and all.
So it's not about having Nothing To Hide anymore than it's about protecting the 4th amendment, of a constitution written by imperfect men--it's about staying free as a human tribe on Earth in cyberspace, a land that transcends these mortal vessels which must remain subject to the bounds of governance and society in physical space
Excellent rant Darren.... Really great, natural and shows who you are and I loved it.
This video needs to go Viral! NOW!
Well said - I'd love to hear more discussions like this!
Darren, that was good!
Consider this. I was born into a nation of war. War in the Middle East, the War on Terror - when there wasn't a war one was made up - the War on Drugs. Trademark all the Wars, it'll be good for the economy. Meanwhile let's give up some liberties for the false sense of security.
And while a nation of war and slavery, financial debt or otherwise, may be good for "the bottom line" - as if the nation were a faction in a real-time strategy game that could be won - it's not good for me.
Nice Mentor quote, I think I'm going to refer to this vid whenever someone brings up the argument about privacy or the openness of the internet.
Thanks for sharing it openly and in a couple of minutes (people have short attention spans nowadays)
You know where he is free to go? Online.
To quote The Mentor, we exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias.
To me everyone on IRC is green text on a black screen.
Now I'm not under the impression that the Internet is a utopia. Hell I spent a week at the United Nations finding out first hand - Nations see the Internet as a resource - THEIR resource - just as YOU are a human resource to the place from which you happened to have been born; Terran, Zerg or otherwise.
The debate about privacy online is not just about what you say in blogs, in e-mail, on your social network(s), on message boards, or even as comments on online news articles. Privacy online also matters when some creep wants to download pictures or video of your wife, or your daughter, or your son.... or YOU! With that whole set of concerns about Google Glass and its EVENTUAL misuse/abuse (for example), the need to defend privacy has become so much more important... unless you're the predator.
Darren your speech is amazing.
"May have been the losing side; still not convinced it was the wrong one"
Man, that was phillisophical - good job Daren!
Way to go, Darren!! That is so true.
For those who have "nothing to hide"; how about we have the police come search your home unannounced periodically? Would you object to a couple of cops searching your home and going through all your stuff? If you have nothing to hide, then it shouldn't be a problem right? Ok then, time for your monthly home inspection! What do you mean you don't want the cops to come into your home once a month?!?! I thought you had nothing to hide.
Privacy is important even if you have nothing to hide.
The internet is causing the liberty movement to grow faster every day. Free association leads to innovation and prosperity. The internet is anarchy at it's best and people are seeing this blossom into one of the greatest man-made creations. One day we will all be free individuals who interact voluntarily without the need for coercion or aggression. The internet is just the first step to Peace and Prosperity.
The person who says privacy isn't important, should have no curtains on his windows, and no bathroom door.
While we're referring to Cpn. Picard, I always liked his "Vigilance is the price we must continually pay." I set up Mailvelope with PGP, and I like it. The problem is that it depends on everyone you correspond with being willing to participate. I don't know anyone else using it. It would be nice if that had something that does an automated check for a public key, as soon as you put in a recipient's email address.
Deep, political and AWESOME!!!
Could you imagine voting for your leader without privacy? And while Privacy, like security, isn't always convenient - nothing worth having seems to come easy.
Moreover in a society without rich or poor, without power or status - ultimately it's your reputation and honor that matter. This has been the case on IRC since 1988. Are you a Good Guy Greg or a Scumbag Steve?
LOL you both are Awesome :D def my first Tech show and still Majestic ;P
im Irish and still live in Ireland ,i cant understand why the guy could not go to the usa ?
Wow, I can't believe I'm being compared to Cereal. You know speaking of honor I take that as one.
"You can sit at home, and do like absolutely nothing and and your name goes through like seventeen computers a day. 1984, yeah right man, that's a typo. Orwell's here and now, he's living large. We have no names, man, no names. We are nameless."
the lights on the wall behind look like the chrome icon
Portland!! Damn,Wonder if I'll be working that day. :-/
Well said Darren. You could be president... of earth.
The Internet was the last great hope at a true democracy. And it is such a shame that we're a republic (in the eyes of the government). It's not so much why we need to be anonymous as it is why should we make it "easy" for those who wish us ill will.
Well spoken!
Cyberspace has allowed us to be enslaved. Although during our enslavement we still communicate though these intertubes. We're free on here. What happens when they try and take our cyberspace (PIPA SOPA TTP)? It wont happen. Keep strong humanity.
take my love
take my land
take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
you can't take the sky from me
take me out
to the black tell 'em I ain't coming back
burn the land
and boil the sea
you can't take the sky from me
have no place
I can be
since I found Serenity
but you can't take the sky from me
Amen to that speech
The guy he was talking about wasn't Irish, he was South African...
i know he not Irish but if he life here would he not be able to go to usa and come back
If you listened, you'd hear that his origins were not Irish.
Nice one, quoting the mentor/the manifesto ;).
LOVE IT!
If the police could scan my house from their car in my street without being disruptive, I wouldn't give 2 shits. Is this mindset an outlier?
Apparently not. I guess it's easier for a South African to move to and live in Ireland than it is for him to do the same in the States.
Great!
Does anyone think that Darren sounds like Cereal from Hackers. You know that!
Legendary
4. ???
5. PROFIT
Amen Brother... +1 internets for quoting the manifesto bro. ;-)
damn, Darren got slim
Citizens of Earth Unite!!!!
Am I the only one thats getting nothing but a green screen?
Check out the PRISM project...
@4:20 'that other country is Canada' :p
The emperor isn't ;-)
speech starts at 3:33
If you don't think privacy is important try pooping with he door open.
1:07 Darren's rapeface xD
Someone just watched a few seasons of tng eh? ;P
I have nothing to hide but im still wearing pants :P
firefly T^T
Nice rant, yet you still barely grazed the tip. You were heading in a direction that far surpasses the issue of privacy. Regarding people who care not about privacy out of the perspective they have nothing to "hide", no amount of logic nor words could persuade them to analyze their viewpoint, let alone act as a catalyst to changing it. As for that charter, dig deeper, it's not all fluffy, happy clouds......some incredibly horrorifying content!