44 Mag vs 45 Colt vs 44 Special: Not Close At All?
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 45 Colt to the 44 Special and the 44 Magnum on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points (winner takes all), for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 10 yards. Thanks for watching!
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In 1982 I was nearly murdered and was shot twice with a 44 special. Nasty Flesh wound in the leg and a paralyzing wound in the neck. It went in through my shirt collar and almost exited under my shoulder blade. It has a heck of a knockdown.. It's a miracle. I'm still alive. God's not done with me
✌️🙏!
Dude, why didn't you get a new sandbox???
That’s awful man, glad you made! One hell of a man!
Glad that you're still with us. You are one tough hombre, and, as you wrote, God's not done with you yet.
Nice.
How’s the other guy?
The helium was well worth the wait. Congrats on the 100k.
His voice is so deep it just makes him sound like a normal guy XD
@@geronimo5537 that's literally what I thought. He does have a radio voice if such a thing still exists.
That sounded like a helium air mix. Some stores partially fill balloons with air and then top with helium. They still float but not near as long. Stretches the helium tank.
# "teh heeelium"
Knowing nothing about gas dynamics nor acoustics, eh?
Really need to run some Ruger Only .45 Colt stuff through not standard pressure stuff. The wonderful world of reloading makes the .45 Colt a star in my Ruger Redhawk.
I'm shopping for one myself, the 45 redhawk has a lot of mark up for being in 45, but some things are worth it. congrats on the nice piece.
Damn right
The one on the gel block was definitely a Ruger only load, but probably should’ve for the rest of the tests
@@bananaballistics You might want to compare hardcast loads in 44 spcl/mag and 45 Colt std/+P
I have 45 Colt Blackhawk's with my loads with 230gr are averages 1,425 they'd be truly comparable to the 44mag which I used to own a couple of those. Good video
The late Skeeter Skelton wrote about how he used the 44 mag for law enforcement, cattle ranching, and hunting but it was more powerful than needed so he tried downloading it to see how light it could go and still all that he wanted. To his surprised he ended up taking it down to factory 45 LC level.
Most folks who have loaded for a Ruger Blackhawk in 45 colt have ended up at this same conclusion. Full power Ruger Only loads are a hoot, but ordinary 255gr at 900 fps is really the most practical loading
@@jacobackley502 I had a Contender .45 / .410 single shot handgun...which means it shot a 45 Colt Long as well as a .410 shotgun shell. If I used the "Cowboy" load .45 Colt Long...which was only 750 fps, the accuracy was crap and very little recoil. But if I put in a legitimate 1300 fps Colt Long into it, it shot just fine with accuracy and was quite a handful.
About 20-25yrs ago, John Taffin did a penetration test using newspapers soakedin water as a ballistic medium. He found that the 44mag expanded more rapidly than 45LC; conversely, 45 LC had greater depth of penetration
No such thing a 45 LC
@@1885win 45lc was the military designation for 45 colt to differentiate from the 45 s&w.
I'd like to see .357 mag, .41 mag and .44 mag compared.
Edit: Congratulations on 100k subs. You deserve it.
Agreed. Maybe the 454 also. 😊
.41 the forgotten strong arm 💪💪
Revolver vs lever action, with the same loads.
454 Casull reaches 2,000 fps with a 300gr load out of a rifle.
@@exothermal.sprocket 454 rifles are hard to get or expensive. I really wanted a 454 revolver and matching lever gun. Going with 44 mag instead
@@adenholmes I just did a search in 20 seconds and found 47 of them for as low as 764 dollars each.
Do people even bother to check before saying things?
In the battle of voice vs. helium in this instance the voice wins. It took him from Barry White to normal human lol.
LOL.
I was also glad to finally see the sandbox get wrecked. Good ep for the 100k
What are you talking about? Could someone explain?
Ohhh, I should have kept watching
Agreed, dude sounded like a sports announcer after hitting the light H
If anyone is curious.. yes there is data for the .45 colt for modern guns that gives it a big performance boost, but there's also special data for Ruger Redhawks only for the .44 magnum. Some +P loads from Handloader magazine. In case anyone wants to get ridiculous.
That would be the Super Redhawk, but the Colt round can be punched up even farther than that, it just has a different name...the 454 Casull.
Don't forget the Thompson contender, it can handle the extra spicy rounds like the super Redhawk can.
@@marktwain2053but that’s not a 45 Colt case. Different round to introduce into the comparison. But yes, it’s amazingly powerful!
454 Casull from a Rossi R92 averages around 2,000 fps with a 300gr load.
I have said SuperRedhawk
The Colt 45 gets the Baldwin performance award.
Now now, don’t tie that iconic cartridge to that criminally negligent clown. He wouldn’t even have needed to cock the hammer on a Glock.
I guess I'm the one that has to point out that the .44 Mag had to pass through 4 extra layers of duct tape on the sand box.
Sounds like someone is a little salty about it not winning
You’re kidding of course.😊
That's a lot of words to spell, fudd. Look! A pistol brace. Get em!
The reason would be is the 44 mag higher velocity expanded the bullet quickly and made a much wider profile to push through so did not go as deep
@@mikeseier4449 mythbusters held a car together with duct tape that survived an off road course. Duct tape is actually a fairly tough medium, especially considering most the energy had already been dumped into the sand. On entry side it wouldnt make much difference at all
In my opinion the 44 special was under-developed by commercial ammunition suppliers. I ran an ammo business that supplied commercial grade and cowboy ammo all across the country. I developed and then offered a "max load" 44 spl. that I used in IHMSA matches, rather than using 44 mag. Starline brass being more malleable was used exclusively and using slow burning powder was essential, yielding velocities of 1150 fps (240gr.) 300 fps behind that of standard 44 mag loads, with less recoil in all bullet weights.
Congratulations on 100k subscribers. A lot of us appreciate the more precise comparisons that are very reminiscent of old Kentucky ballistic videos before he became purely entertainment. He left a void that you are filling nicely, great work.
just bought a S&W 629 in .44 last night and this makes me a little happier lol
You will like that revolver! Now save your pennies and go for the Colt Anaconda in a 6 inch barrel.....the Colt is a bit of a step up. Have fun with the 629!
@@scottgorman7166 i have quite a few colts I don't enjoy working on them.
That’s a beautiful revolver. You’ll love it! I’ve got one in 4”. The M629 and the M66 (.357) are my camping & ‘walking in the woods’ buddies.
@@casualobserver3145 I appreciate all the replies from other 629 owners! I got the 6" classic for a steal with scope rings so figured it's time to play with .44
@@williemickbillie Hell yeah, got myself the exact same a while back and discovered the scope mount taps on it too. I gave it a dry fire before purchase and loved the stock single action trigger pull. I could hit out to 30+ yards on the stock iron sights, but I wound up getting a rail, rings, and a 2-9x burris optic for it.
I wound up having to order adjustable rings to get the crosshair where I need it, but I haven't had the time to get it properly loc-tited+adjusted+sighted in, so right now I take it out sometimes and aim it using sorcery; turns out if you have a rail instead of a rear sight, you just center the front sight on the rail and then dip it down slightly past where you can see it... then you can still peel milk cartons like bananas within 50 feet, or leave neat circular holes in old engine blocks, hahaha.
I legit chuckled at the flinch joke
I shoot a 500 Magnum quite a bit and it always gives me a horrid flinch by the end of the range day. 😄
The .45LC cartridges come in a wide range of velocities, from low-power "cowboy-action" ones to +P rounds with 50% higher speeds like from Underwood. The latter work well in my Henry big boy.
The Henry Big Boy sure changes peoples view of the 45COLT.
I really want a Big Boy in 357
don't put the underwood +p ammo through the single action clones had a buddy not read the box and well his gun shot it but it bulged the cylinders and he had to get a new one.
Perfect amount of humor, smooth voice, a little bit of jazz, and a whole lotta shootin'. This channel is awesome. Thanks for the top tier content Banana man!
Thank you for using .45 Colt +P loads. I have a Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt, and load my own cartridges using the "Ruger/TC Contender Only" load data. Based on my own chrono tests, I get similar muzzle energy with those loads than the load data for .44 Magnum. As you say, in a firearm that allows it, the .45 Colt can be a devastating cartridge.
454 casull brass can be shortened to 45 colt length if need be and use small pistol primers. Easier and cheaper to find and use😊
Very true, 45lc rocks!.
I've always been a fan of the 44 magnum. It's the energy. Sure there are super big bores like the 500 s&w etc, but the value of the 44 mag shines compared to the others. I have a Taurus revolver in 8 5/8" and a Desert Eagle both in 44 Mag. I load all my ammo in TMJ so they can be used in both.
You're a man of your word Congratulations on 100K
Helium brings your voice up to a normal pitch....lmao great video!
Almost. It sounded to me like he was imitating one of those older "Munchkins" bass voices from the movie "The Wizard of Oz". 🤣🤣🤣
Congratulations on your 100,000th subscriber. I love the 44 Magnum!
Been waiting for some 45lc
b/c it takes that long to get there
Awesome video as usual 👍
Super episode as always, and the helium was just epic (you got both of your trademarks in - yes!!). Congrats on 100k. Looking forward to you changing that k to a well deserved m.
I am surprised that the .454 casull was not in the mix. Oh well, maybe next time. Congradulations on 100K subscribers. 👍😁
Heck yeah. My 460V shoots .45 Colt, .454 Casull and .460 S&W Magnum. That .460 gets your attention.
@@gdvan01450 bushmaster definitely got my attention. Little lighter load but not much than the 460. I’ll bet it gets your attention 😂. Would love to have the V
Congratulations on the 100K and thanks for another great video.
YES!!!!!!!
For a while there I didn’t think ‘time to grind’ would win.
Epic!!
Glad you hit 100k. Impressive.
High entertainment value.
Very informative.
I could never personally afford to test all these different cartridges against all the barriers. Your service is much appreciated my good sir.
Man i love this channel. Congrats on 100k
Loved the ending. Thanks.
Congrats on 101K subs!! It’s time to grind!
You need a 7 1/2" barrel on that 45 Colt to capture the lost energy.
And ruger only hand loads
@@juiceboxdan3148 Unless you want a ka-boom. There's supposed to be a ka-boom.
@@Paladin1873 uh what?
@@juiceboxdan3148 I take it you aren't a Marvin the Martian fan.
@Paladin1873 oh not really but I get it now haha
That's a good manly video! ❤ Good, highly scientific tests.
Congrats on 100k subs. 🎈🥳🎈 Just awesome, Double B!!! 😊
I remember Paul Harrel doing a demo of 44 special vs. 44 magnum with similar results. The special is slow enough that it paradoxically penetrates further sometimes. I stopped loading my revolver with 44 special for home defense after that. I always love more demos and data
I think a 180 grain hp is excellent in the 44 special.
I used to think .44 mag was overkill for nearly any defense against humans situation, & .44 spcl was the way to go. Paul Harrell's vid really opened my eyes. One of the .44 mag ammos devastated the meat target and didn't over penetrate.
I think the HP are the way to go, especially with lower powder charge. Even then .44 special is still a manstopper, but thats just me who's only revolver is a 1970s Charter Arms Bulldog .44 special
Congrats on 100K!!
Such a great channel. Your voice on helium 😂😅. Great video I never shot any of these rounds but the 44 mag and 45 special is on my bucket list.
When you hit 200,000 will you sing “You’re a Mean One, Mr Grinch”?
I'll pay to watch that!!! 😂😂😂
While breathing argon
Be cool to see this in a lever gun comparison
If you could scare up a pair of 16” R92 lever actions, 44 mag and 45 Colt, it’d be an interesting comparison against the handguns.
Congrats on the 100K..... Awesome 👍👍
Great comparison vid. Three of my favorite calibers. Love my 44's even more 😁
Bro i finally budged enough of your videos that, when i run a search for ballistic Gel test for any caparative rounds you pop up at the top of the list!!! Really do like your videos!
BB barrier testing videos are Great! My go to. Congratulations on 100k.
For me the .44 special and .45 Colt are similar in power but one is a tad larger projectile (.45), (my go-to for large projectile/lower penetration self-defense) whereas the .44 mag is the Mack daddy. Congrats on 100k+ subs!
Great video! Thank you, brother!
Kinda surprising and entertaining as always, keep it up!
An interesting test I think would be appropriate for this channel would be testing pistols versus rifles. As in a .357 magnum revolver against a .357 magnum lever action rifle. With how stark the differences in velocity are I think it would make for an interesting video. That's if it hasn't already been done of course, I haven't exactly examined Banana Ballistic's back catalog much.
You should sub and watch them. I think they're all good. ❤
The funniest time you ever said "it's time to grrrrrind" was the occasion when you rolled the 'r' gratuitously. I absolutely crapped myself 😂
Congratulations!!! Hope you get a million this year
This series is pretty rad!
This channel is such a sleeper, great content always.
Love the videos! Are all / most the guns you use in the videos your own? Quite the arsenal if that's the case! Enjoyed these big brute cartridges!
Very entertaining and informative! Thanks 😂
I have 45 colt in two wheel guns and one Winchester rifle. Very happy with this caliber and……for the rifle, I bought a box of Buffalo Bore 325 grain ( cannot remember the fps but it was fast). Went back and bought two more boxes. What a combo at least for me.
Congrats on 100,000!
My buddy nicknamed me "45 AARP" because I carry a 45ACP daily, hunt with a 45-70, and carry a 45 Colt as backup when hunting. I told him those 3 cartridges had saved many lives and will be around long after I'm gone. Besides they remind me of myself anyway. Old, fat and slow, but when I do get there it's serious business.
Congrats on the 100K!! Keep the vids coming, if you haven’t done so already how about a couple large bore AR like the .458 Socom vs say a .50 Beowulf, a battle of the big boys you could say.
Those 45 LC handloads from that short Blackhawk gives a whole new meaning to #catchcleanandcook, reducing it to a single step.😮
The sand test is physics defined. Momentum trumps KE in that scenario. Those slow bullets pushed the sand out of the way, whereas the magnum "pounded sand" and the sand pounded back.
If you decide to do Helium again, always remenber to take several normal air breaths between hits.
Im here for the advertised Unbelievable Results.
I'm curious to know if that sand box is full of lead. Great video, as always.
First time I have seen your videos! I am impressed, very well done. I am a fan of all 3 cartridges, that being said, you can't go wrong with any of them. I have been loading my 45 Colt (NOT LONG COLT!) to very much the same level as the 44 mag and found the felt recoil is not as sharp. I pretty sure it is because the Colt load is lower pressure> Thanks!!!
I always laugh at people that will talk crap on the 44 Special or 45 Colt or 38 Special, but then brag about the 45 ACP or 9mm. Not really that much difference in reality. People laugh at me for carrying a 38 and say it is worthless until you ask them if they want to get shot with it. Then ...silence.
I love my .38 too but I've shot a plastic ear pro muff, just the piece that covers the ear, and it bounced off multiple times I even reloaded before realizing they were hitting the dirt bank it was laying in front of. It banged it up but never went through. Also that's with 158 lead round nose, i still carry it though it's accurate.
Young people today think that the 38 Special is a joke. Yet the overwhelming majority of people shot by police throughout the 20th century were killed by the 38 Special. In most cases the police were using standard lead round nose bullets or even semi wadcutter bullets. Hollow Point bullets were used to a much lesser extent by Police and only late in the century. In other words the 38 Special is actually up to the task. Don't forget about +P being available.
As a general rule, no matter what caliber, no one wants to be shot, even by a 22lr...
Just playing around with water jugs the bullet choice makes a difference, but the results with .357 Magnum are much more catastrophic than 9mm Luger or .38 Special.
I just had to come back to this cause I've got some 124 grn lead round nose reloads for my 9mm, I should find something plastic and rounded to try them on to see if they bounce too. The main reason lead round nose worked in .45s was the mass it had but they still bounce off stuff. Once I had an old surplus tinpot helmet (I know I'm stupid for this) that me and my brothers tested, we shot it with 9mm once .40sw once and .45acp each fmj (even using a true colt my brother has our great grandfather's combat commander badass piece of history) but nothing went through they all three bounced off, then we shot it with a .20ga with birdshot once and it might crumple a skull in the helmet but didn't go through either it just slung it. Then I'm pretty sure it got slapped with a .44 an ak and more that it didn't stop. But the three main carry pistol rounds for most Americans stopped on an old Vietnam Era helmet. Dang sorry for the book. 😅 I guess I should add we were only like 10 feet away or maybe less for all shots.
LOL, bro, your voice is deeper than mine even when you are on Helium. That's awesome.
I pulled the 180 gr. JSP projectiles off some Remington rounds rated at 1625 FPS and replaced them with some 185 gr. hard cast led. They splintered a 3" pine tree. Did the same with some 45 ACP rounds rated at 1080 FPS and got some serious penetration also.
Helium is hilarious! Nice work awesome video!
I actually expected the 44mag not to pass through the sand cause of the higher velocity. You should pit all the winning pistol caliber against each other and same with rifle for fun. grats on 100k
I went to a pistol Match in Bermuda in 83 and accidently double tapped the 1911 and sent the second round into the 4x4 beam overhead and hit the silhouette in the brain pan. I would imagine the RNL had something to do with it. Didn't place well. The command gave us a 50 rd box each to practice with. The other guys, Marines, SEALs, and Bewees (Bermuda Police) did much better...
We went back to fixing the P3s as we were in a hot scenario with Honduras, Grenada and such going on...
One additional aspect of ammo consideration that you might want to throw into the mix; cost. Magnum ammo is often significantly more expensive that non-magnum loads. Additionally, I'd like to see a video on reloading, using different powders and the flash/residue for a particular caliber. The effects of minimal charge (squib) to a hot-load. Ever think of doing a recoil graph video? As always, enjoying your videos!!!
A heavy, slow bullet will have high momentum. In fact, a 230 grain 45acp and a 125grain 357 have similar momentum, but the 357 will have twice the ft lbs energy. Momentum causes penetration.
Another aspect of penetration is high sectional density, meaning how much of the weight is behind how much surface area. The more the bullet is like a spear than a ball.
A heavy, slow, long bullet will get extreme penetration. Lighter metals like copper will make the bullet longer. A larger caliber will create a bigger hole. 45 colt at 300 grains in all copper will create a big long hole all the way through a bear.
need to .45 colt vs .454 casull vs 460 magnum out of the same gun. That would be more interesting.
Yes! I just ordered the 460V and would love to see a comparison of these three rounds with maybe the addition of 45 colt +p (Ruger Only) loads too!
SOOOOO glad that I watched this episode. I had forgotten about the helium challenge.😅
I’m still baffled they developed the 44 mag instead of beefing up the 45lc. 😂
Keep up the great work!
100K, congrats!!
You should add .45 Colt +P. Look it up. Does exist. It is on the heels of .44 Mag. Used to hunt large game. Very potent.
Hello Greetings from the UK.....Great Video! back in the 90's before they took away all our pistols in Britain, I had a 45 long colt Ruger Blackhawk which I bought very cheap off an older guy, had masses of fun with it, very accurate with lead semi wadcutter hand loads....then I got a copy of the Hornady reloading book and discovered their 250 grain hollow point and 2400 powder and the massive muzzle flashes! great gun and cartridge.
A great timebacj then, we are all stuck with pistol calibre rifles and 10/22 Rugers etc now...... no more pistols not quite the same fun! beware people...... Trust me every time I visit the USA I'm off to a range somewhere.... Cheers...Trev
I have been a fan of the .44 special for a long time. I was still surprised how well it kept up with the other two.
Great comparisons! I sure would have loved to see how a Casull stands in those tests! .
We love the metal stand you use.❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Congrats on 100k
another great video. Thanks
It looks like you have reinvented my own .45 Colt load, which was itself an XTP modification of Elmer Keith's preferred load. Of course in a Colt SAA it blew up the gun and took off his trigger finger. As you say, in specific guns. Very effective on deer under 50 yards, especially when fired from a carbine,.
Interesting video. I'd like to see a comparison of 45 Colt and 44-40 using the traditional black powder loads, and maybe a modern load too.
Sweet to see the hand gun being tested. Fyi ive been watching you since day dot lol i think you have 52 followers. Love this channel
The ending hahaha 😂 Congrats on crossing 100k!
Congrats on the 100K! I have one suggestion: Be more careful with the wood blocks. Knots will have vastly different densities and composition from the surrounding wood. That does not matter if it is a post but can make major difference to penetration tests.
I think the sand and the sandbox.both need to be replaced to get level playing field. Just what I think.Anyway.I love your show
Tom
how crazy is it that you have to breath helium to sound a regular dude without the bass voice from heck lol :D
Makes sense if you know the property of the medium you fire into. An arrow will poke right through a sandbag because its slow and heavy and doesnt expand. I assume the slow rounds have non expanding bullets and poke more
and weight. weight equals momentum, which is invaluable for depth of penetration.
Exactly, it's like the old saying " horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how Far you take the wall with you"
Absolutely epic!
Clean concise minimal BS 👍 Keep up the excellent content man.
His voice is so deep even with the helium it sounded almost normal haha
I have an old Charter Arms 44 special revolver. After shooting 1000’s of rounds thru this revolver without a failure or breakage I don’t know why the 44 special isn’t more popular.
Thanks for sharing
That's crazy, helium this is. Awesome comparison.
I haven’t even had a chance to watch this. I’m already expecting 44mag to win, about as clearly as 5.56x45 wins vs .22LR, and .25 auto.
Caliber doesn’t guarantee anything unless know weight and velocity, which are usually high for 44mag
Excited to watch your video, they’re always s scientific and high quality production
You can literally load the .45 of to rival .44 mag in certain guns but whatever 😂
Can you get a (full house) 10mm auto, and a .357 magnum?
I want to see a head to head between (IMHO) THE BEST auto pistol cartridge and revolver cartridge for (practical) serious work.
Factory loads are one thing. The 45 Colt and 44 Special are old, so lots of old guns exist for them. SAAMI keeps the pressure very mild. The 44 Mag was designed from the ground up for magnum level pressures. If gun strength isn't a problem, the 45 Colt can do anything the 44 Mag can do, but at lower pressure. At equal pressure, the 45 Colt will always win.
Cliff notes....big heavy bullets penetrate soft tissue with ease. Smaller high speed penetrates hard targets much easier. Your channel continues to serve up useful information and entertainment.
Request #7 for .338 LM barrier testing 😁 love the content as always! Literally laughed out loud at the oh sh!t comment 😂
The .44 Mag. DID have extra, tough material to transit.
Also, on the 5.7 Test, the 5.7 had to deal with a knot. Pressure Treated knots are fun!
A fun TEST would be the .17 Vs the .7 x28 Vs. The.22 Hornet.
Or the old 218 bee
Ok, the helium was kinda funny. Congrats on 100k. I took would like to see a comparison of .357 .41 and .44 mags.
I'm NOT the first one!!
Excellent video
Sandbox is so taped up it basically is a tiny HESCO now
which I guess it was before too, it just looks the part now