Funny part is, there's already something that works far much better than lomi! A rabbit! It eats your fruit and vegetable scraps, and poos out good stuff! And the average rabbit lives at least for 5 years, so it lasts a lot longer than whatever lomi could muster!
And it converts those nasty waste vegetables into tasty and nutritious meat. And if you buy two rabbits they will even make more of themselves... "Relearn the secret of free, sustainable, eco friendly meat known to our ancient ancestors but lost in the modern age!" I could right a great ad campaign based on this.
No negative reviews is always a surefire way to tell it's fake. The best products in the world all have negative reviews from people saying "Shipping took too long", "Package came damaged" or "I didn't like the color" or whatever. Zero negative reviews always menans it's either completely fake or negative reviews are not shown.
I always check for negative reviews because they're normally a good way to determine if there is an issue with the product or if other purchasers have been dumb. There being no negative reviews would be really suspicious, not even one saying it smelt bad, I mean you're literally cooking veg trash and it does not smell bad...
@@zerog2000 Unfortunately the average consumer may not be aware there are "signals"... they just know things that people say. And people saying things to dupe other people may actually be the worlds second, oldest profession.
not to mention there's always some one star reviews that are actually super positive, the person just didn't know how to use stars or didn't bother to check...literally anything
I'm a gardening hobbyist. Dessicating, or even baking, the composted material is absolutely ridiculous. True compost needs the moisture to start up and keep running the biological processes. Composting is very interesting and one must have some knowledge to make a good compost. There are books dedicated only to composting. For example, if there's not enough air intake, the anaerobic processes may prevail, leading to production of smelly nitrous gases and loss of nitrogen, one of the most important substances for the plant growth.
This was my thought. It makes no sense to cook and desiccate the material. The goal is the slow breakdown of the material through aerobic bacteria and invertebrates.
Even the most low effort uninformed attempt at regular composting is already more effective than lomi. I mean you can hardly prevent air and sunlight from drying your pile of compost free of charge. It costs nothing, and doesn't eat up electricity.
Agreed, the dry powder produced by the Lomi, in its short functional period before it breaks down, is I would think, more likely to form a toxic slime when added to soil. As it has just been dried, but not composted it is likely to encourage fungal growth that could be actively harmful to young plants.
Holy hell... I'm intentionally adding layers of soil on my compost piles, to introduce beneficial bacteria and fungi as a composting starter. With baking and drying, whatever comes out of this machine definitely is not a decent-quality compost.
We had a composter when I was a kid. It was in the corner in our backyard. It was a pile. A pile of grass clippings, leaves, some table scraps, left over plants from the vegetable garden. My father would dig through it every year to get at the nice fertile soil in the middle. Didn’t need a fancy container. Didn’t need a special heat source since decaying plant matter generates its own heat. Nothing like that. Just nature doing what it does.
I am living in a city in an apartment with balcony and both I and my gf and all other balcony neighbours do the same: we have three or four step composters for vegetable refuse and plant matter from balcony plants. It takes a long time, but after around three years you can plant new plants with the refuse you had the first year. Just to show that even composting is possible in cities (and it is not stinky as long as you don't overload them within a short time span or put high protein/high fat organic/fruit materials in) But my dad to this day does the same as yours did. He has 4 huge refuse cages at the far end of the property (a lot of grass to mow) and lets each rot for four years before again using it as fertilizer. But may I ask why your dad anually upturned the organic material? My dad just every now and then asks me to help for his newest cage so it does not catch fire once it starts smoldering
@@fatalityin1 once in a while we would go and dig through it to turn it over but not too often. My father always kept a good blanket of leaves over it to prevent erosion.
Grew up with a compost pile in the backyard. Vegetable scraps, grass clippings and coffee grounds. With one slightly psychotic cat and covering new additions with dirt we had no rodent or odor problem. A few years after moving into that house our gardens were flourishing. I wish I had the room today.
Facts. I even bought worms at Wal-Mart for my compost bed for a fraction of the cost of a Lomi. They've been working hard for the last 3 years running, perfect soil.
Not to mention all of the natural bacteria and fungi that nature provided us. Definitely won’t cause problems down the line if we assume we’re smarter than evolution. It’s only been balancing plates for 100s of millions of years.
I’m still amazed that buyers seem to think it’s green processing their waste with fossil-fuel generated electricity instead of just putting it in a compost pile. Note the Lomi ads never show that there’s a power cord.
I have a corner in my garden where I dump green waste. Rots down to nothing really quickly,. If I have fish to throw away I just dig a shallow hole in between my edible plants put the fish in and cover with soil.
It's not only the power it needs to run but making the machine itself and keeping it clean and one day tossing it out. All it does is making composting, not eco friendly.
I'm glad I watched this video and many others. You just saved me a ton of money and heartache. I live in an apartment and we're not allowed to compost so I was super excited about Lomi. Thank you!
I just LOVE when I see “scientists” in lab coats and you can clearly see the lab coat STILL has the folds in it from when it was in the shipping container and has never been laundered once.
Phil cheered on governments that censored people for questioning covid lockdowns. I seem to remember him cheering on the arrest of an Australian protest organizer. Remind me, how did those lockdowns work out once multi-variant studies came in?
It's only a matter of time. Or if they don't go full-out legal, they might file FOUR bogus DMCA's against him (this video, his "compostable phone case" debunk video, the Lomi Busted video, and the "[Pela] threaten legal action for the Busted video" video).
@@electric7487 if not bogus DMCA, I would expect complaints to the BBB and consumer financial protection bureau to initiate federal investigations, similar to the ones that SoClean (CPAP cleaner machine) is experiencing for their false claims and equipment that literally produces a toxic byproduct when operating. The FDA finally cracked down on them
Man, all these trash/scam kickstarters are starting to run together in my mind. I thought lomi was the clothes dryer thing and I couldn't figure out why they were talking about a pile of dirt.
The sad thing is a desktop dryer for an outfit worth of cloths wouldn't even be that bad of a product idea or that hard to make. A tub attached to a spinning bit, a heating element, and a condenser for reign in the humidity. Hell, with a Peltier cooler, you can have *both* a heating element and the condenser in 1 package. That can be done rather cheaply and easily. As for that stupid idea with a vacuum pump dryer, a cheap air compressor from harbor freight could do the vacuum pump role.
Funny. I throw my kitchen scraps (all vegetable only) on a pile at the back of my yard, and then throw some leaves or grass clippings on them. Rain and worms take car of the rest. Keep adding and by spring it's dirt underneath. Thermophilic composting happens without buying anything.
This is just so brutal. I love your videos. As an organic gardener it bugs the hell out of me that they say this is compost it is not compost it is dehydrated garbage!!!!!!!
Composting is free, assuming you have a patch of dirt and some time on your hands. But you can't monetize free and inconvenience isn't a marketable feature, so you ELECTRIFY the process and sell it as a breakthrough technology to gizmo twerps and greeny rubes, middle-class and semiaffluent apartment dwellers who are, apparently, obsessed with producing their own potted plant soil.
Kinda like people who cheered on lockdowns and the censoring of anyone who questioned them. Ahem, wasn't Phil one of the authoritarians in that episode?
@@capslockcapable1719 How much does this thing cost up front? A compost tumbler with a good frame and stable platform will compost a bunch of dirt for only a one time cost. A non-fancy one that you have to tumble by hand was about $100 a decade ago, and this still tumbled pretty easy once you got it going thanks to momentum.
Anyone who cares about being "sustainable" should be able to figure out that Lomi wastes a load of energy to achieve pretty much nothing. If you really want to dry out your food waste, save the $500 and put it in a very low oven for a day. (The food waste, not the money)
my wife had no idea about this stupidity, and needed a new phone and case. She ended up ordering one of these cases, and a few days later your video came out. I showed it to her, and she requested a refund after it was delivered. Then we watched your video and she requested a refund/return -- when asked for a reason she linked your video. It was approved, and we'll look for better ways to offset our carbon footprint/consumerism.
I bought a used otterbox for my phone for real cheap, works and looks great and was way cheaper than a new one :) although I bought it off Amazon unfortunately, I'd prefer if it were a site like Etsy since they 'offset the carbon emissions from their deliveries with credits' (if you know how that system works)
You don't need a phone case! Honestly try it out, phone designers have put a lot of work into making the phone look good, nice to handle and thin as possible. What else would you buy and keep the wrapping on?!
@@not_glad well, one type of phone case that does make sense are tough ones, for clumsy people or those like me who just prefer it over the bareback phone
As someone that had 3 years of Agriculture, hearing the offer of a "lifetime supply of dirt", it sounds bad. Dirt = is an actual term we used to describe worthless material. Soil is bio actively useful and you can grow things, along with compost which is basically soil you make really fast. Soil naturally forms at about an inch every 100 years from everything breaking down overtime naturally. Compost is just speeding up the process while also adding extra nutrients. But 'DIRT', is worthless. It contains nothing useful to sustain life. You know, like those large farm areas where crops are always failing and everything is dead? That's dirt. You need to plow it, and mix in so much material and elements to achieve "Soil". Basically, "Dirt" is the stuff you scrape off your shoes.
When I lived in Bristol I bought a composting bin from the local authority for £22 including delivery. Obviously you need some garden to use it but it was very effictive. The lomi doesn't compost anything, it just grinds and dries food waste. Composting is an aerobic method of decomposing organic solid wastes. It can therefore be used to recycle organic material. The process involves decomposing organic material into a humus-like material, known as compost, which is a good fertilizer for plants.
@@borttorbbq2556 No, just an upright barrel shaped container with a lid but no base. Just put it on the ground and worms come up to eat the vegetable waste. I actually got two of them so when one was full I would start filling the second compost bin. By the time the second bin was full the contents of the first were ready to go on the garden.
@@Karatekidhero Conventional composting is aerobic but there are anaerobic digesters, these produce methane gas which can be used as a fuel. When I was studying microbiology we had tours of a couple of sewage treatment plants. Some of the sewage went into anaerobic digesters, producing methane that went to generators to produce power to run the site.
in my last gardening job, we had accelerated composters. they were made of some type of polystyrene. they didn't require power, just occasionally doses of hot water. in 6 days you'd have compost.
Does that compost have the same quality as, say your run-of-the-mill garden compost heap? Because as far as I understand it, it's not only temperature and moisture but also time, as small insects and bacteria simply need time to decompose organic remains. And 6 days - compared to the few months it normally takes sounds awfully optimistic... Then again - I am also a gardener, but compost isn't really a thing here, so I might be mistaken on this :D
big enough compost heaps heat themselves, and packaging compost in an insulating box like styrofoam reduces the minimum size of the compost pile required to heat up a good amount, and reduces the percentage of compost around the edges ofthe pile that stay too cold to compost quickly. up to a point, hotter temperatures accelerate both biological and chemical breakdown processes, though above that point, the biological organisms that are supposed to do most of the work die. in colder weather, it can certainly help with fast compoating to insulate the pile, though in hot weather it can be dangerous, as I'm pretty sure that compost can actually get hot enough to self-ignite (don't ask me how, it can obviously not be entirely due to biological processes).
But it's not like they're REALLY busted, right? Like it's not like the FBI is going to raid Lomi's headquarter because of this video... lol Lomi probably shouldn't care much about this video because of the nature of their customers, tomorrow, these stupid people will still continue to buy the worst stupid products, no matter what. And to be really honest with you, these people who bought this are just so braindead, I think they really deserved to get scammed. The small fish gets eaten by the bigger fish... It always been like that and it always will.
I mean the Lomi device technically does exactly what it's supposed to so it's not really a acam. Some people use the cheap Chinesium ones to make light chicken feed from scraps without giving wet scraps directly to chickens.
@@infernaldaedra It is claiming that it actually composts vegetable waist, all it do does is to dry and grind it up. That is not composting, Lomi is a scam.
I can see a class-action lawsuit in the works... unfortunately, they will probably just file bankrupcy, change their company name, and continue on. These people are despicable.
@@noneofyourbizness No, the law isn't what made Lomi put out a trash juicer and sucker morons. By that logic you're the root cause of such scams because you don't go out and murder these people. I hate these kinds of bastards too and I'm just as frustrated about the injustices of the justice systems, but reign it in, buddy.
In this case they might actually be made personally responsible since they do not just overstate the function of the device but also adds subscriptions without any agreements. Fraud is a ceime committed by people and not companies, so the police can hunt them down. Just delivering subpar quality is way safer since it's a civil case between customers and company.
@@Relkond I'm a bit curious that people aren't reacting and posting the names of old school mates, neighbours etc they suddenly see scamming around while claiming to be what they aren't. It isn't like it's real doctors of technology/chemistry/... we get to see in the videos. Maybe this world needs a global web site tracking/identifying people behind scams. The quicker people are informed a "researcher" is a low-grade actor, the quicker people can realize they need to stay away from scam products.
I had a breadmaker in which the paddle fused to the axle and couldn't be removed for cleaning. Still worked. As the Lomi runs hot for much longer and the chopped veggies are more likely to work into tight spaces than dough, I'd bet the broken Lomis have welded their cutters or axles to the bowl.
I had a similar issue for months with my bread maker. Turns out that it was still removable but I just couldn't get a proper grip on it and my shoulders were too weak to pull it out. I struggled for a while to get it off only for a friend to get it off almost immediately...
I would probably guess that the cutter got jammed on a carrot and the motor torqued out and then burned up. Friction welding the cutter to the shaft is totally plausible, but welding the cutter to the bowl sounds like it would have to be running at 10k RPM. Most likely in your case the motor/gearbox was strong enough to overcome the connection of the shaft to the cutter, friction welded that weak joint (or just created enough debris to engage the parts better). The broken Lumis probably had a crap motor/gearbox and no fault tolerance in the electronics to recover from a jam without smoking the power supply, motor, or gearbox. For 500$+ a device that agitates and processes waste should be able to handle bone, or whatever incidental kitchen waste is accidentally fed into it.
They're not "young media women", they're legit scientists on a crusade to help the planet by developing a useless non-compostable device that wastes energy.
A cheaper alternative that can be used for more than one thing, BRILLIANT!! Just to put this in a bit of perspective. Lomi cost $429. A 40lb bag of compost costs $3.28 at my local Lowes. That thing would have to generate 5200lb(2.6TONS) of 'compost', just to cover the purchase cost. Add in the operations cost, and it gets worse. Soil(dirt) can be had for 2.28/40Lbs. 7520lbs(3.76tons) Really wondering where this 'free' dirt the sales weasel was talking about comes from.
I have a home composter and it works great, it's a big plastic bin in the garden. After buying it, it uses no power, requires, not maintenance and no intervention apart from emptying it about every 2 years.
Options for cancelling such "subscriptions" include a "security closure" on your credit card that they are charging [assuming you didn't use paypal]. The credit card company will cancel that card number and re-issue you a new number, and a new card, usually at NO COST to you. Yes, you might have to reauthorize your legitimate subscription charges, but with the old card number invalidated, the company can't do anything unless you give them the new card number.
I use a separate card for possibly dodgy one-off purchases. Subscriptions etc to companies I trust are on another. I can cancel the first card at the drop of a hat with no inconvenience. I did that when Amazon started to scam me - good job I classed them as a company not to trust.
I remember donating to Team Trees twice and my bank called me that they blocked a second one!! However to get rid of PayPal, I had to get a new card. I cannot wait for PayPal to banned from everywhere.
@540マンモス FIrst I've heard that you can ask a credit card company to block a specific vendor, at least not without a lot of hoops to jump through. What is your cc company? As for PayPal, you have _everything_ to worry about.
The main difference between a Lomi, and a bread maker (of which I've had a couple, and actually enjoy using)? The bread maker actually does what it's purported to do.
They contacted the Chinese factory and asked them to make the program 15 hrs long. Big whoop. It's only matter if time before they go to jail. I just hope they realise crime does not pay well. (We should force them to make an apology video to deter other idiots from trying the same)
Phil--- good on you for being in Parkrose Permaculture's corner. She is a very nice person and has a great channel and doesn't deserve to be threatened by these two-bit scammer con artists with their $500 bread machine.
Gardening is a long-term process that requires forward planning. If you need compost *quickly* then it's probably the least of your problems. Just get a normal compost bin and embrace the gentle pace of your garden. It's a glorious thing.
Our council asks for us to put all our FOGO (food and organic) material into a bin they collect weekly. We can put grass clippings, twigs, and other garden rubbish in it. Council then sells it to fertilizer manufacturers to reduce our rates. The idea that reducing the size of your food scraps is somehow desirable is a joke, and that "automatic" charcoal subscription is theft, pure and simple. And that's apart from the fact that they have fraudulent reviews, the product is poorly made, and it costs so much... Keep at them Thunderf00t!
As soon as they claim Lomi produces compost, you know they are lying. No way can you get such a small amount of material to compost in the time they claim. The fastest method takes at least a cubic yard of material and eighteen days.
I got a used blender at my local thrift store for 20$. I add a little water to my produce scraps and soluble paper products, hit the button for a quick and thorough chop. The contents get poured and mixed into my lawn, flower beds, lawn, etc.
Here in the Netherlands flax fibre was used to create linen cloth that was durable and a lot stronger than modern cotton. (up to 30% more durable) And it's great for allergies. So essentially chosen by our ancestors to make durable stuff that wouldn't rot easily...
Like the way you stand up for smaller creators. You are a true scientist and follow the facts not the money. I have the utmost respect for you in that regard. We may not always be fully on the same page as it were however you are a true superstar and we need more people like you my friend to police these total and utter scammers!!!! Peace pal.. Keep it real👍🏻😎
"Like the way you stand up for smaller creators" I searched the 'parkrose permaculture' channel and didn't find the referenced video. I'm afraid she buckled to the threats and took the video down, to be on the safe side.
Imagine how much electricity this thing uses just to reduce some veg scraps......during the worst energy price hike in modern history....all i can say is WOW...
@@Krakaet well thanks to people that each burn 50000 gallons of fuel per day in private jets/helicopter/yachts telling us burning fuel is bad this con will probably cost £300 and hr to run now. But hey , billionaire farts don't stink do they?
These people got it completely wrong! When it stops working after 3 months, it a) doesn't need an enormous amount of energy every day, b) saves you a lot of money and c) stops the mold from growing inside your moist kitchen. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
What even is this "lifetime supply of dirt"? Like all the dirt I will need to grow all the food I will need during my whole life? I looked how much "dirt" you need if you want vegetables, grains, eggs, milk and a pig (because who would eat a salad without bacon, right?) and it comes to ~1 hectare per person. That is not that much, 100 by 100 meters is not huge. Well, not tiny too, it is pretty big garden, but still walkable land. How deep we want to go? 20 centimeters? Is that enough? Well, let's say it is. From what I read and heard, you should have about half organic (compost, manure) and half inorganic (dirt, sand, clay) composition for good farming, so that is 10 centimeters of compost. Quick conversion, from meters and centimeters to decimeters. 1000 by 1000 by 1, that is million cube decimeters (or million liters, here is dirt usually sold by 20, 50 or 70 liters bags (or by trucks)). Will Lomi produce million liters of compost? Even if we will be so generous that we will call Lomi produce "compost" I really doubt it.
We have 8 chickens give them ALL of our veggie scraps and most leftovers. In return we get 6-7 fresh eggs a day, fertilizer for the garden and they are super sweet and make great pets! All 8 cost around 25 bucks total as chicks and live for years. Not a bad ROI 😊
blasphemy. it must cost $1000 and have thousands of years of research under it's belt because there's no way it could beat my Lomi which i only need to replace every 3 months.
Actually my friend has a working home composter that she uses for all her leaves and stuff and it's so genius what it is is basically a box with no walls it's just that the framing made with like 2x4s and she just rakes all our leaves into it and leaves it there all year round and it compost itself and it works really well no energy no cost nothing she just rakes all her leaves right in there and then year later she's got a compost
@@gokart6796354 Nothing *. Though it might be noted that one can't say if that comment is sarcastic or serious. * Except you shouldn't compost your home waste in that. Not because it won't work, but because it's a buffet for rodents.
@@jkausti6737 wouldn't it be a midden? And without adding green material and aerating it's going anaerobic and releasing nitrogen in gas form and carbon monoxide, right?
My girlfriend actually bought one of these, against my reservations (mainly because I didn't want yet another appliance taking up kitchen counter space). In fairness, it works exactly as advertised--we haven't had any problems, though it does often stink like a vegetable-inspired fart while it's operating. I'm more questioning the point of owning one, since we never use the compost for gardening; it all goes in the same compost bin that whole food scraps go into.
@@TacoEX1 I suppose it'll make a neat conversation starter if we ever have any guests. I'm bummed to hear that it's not useful for an actual garden because that's pretty much the only reason I could think to use it.
Glad you covered this. My sister has had one for a few months and I go over to her house and the thing is making the most god awful noises grinding and I was thinking this sucker must be using tons of power due to the heat it was generating. It all seemed a bit silly to me. Hope she isn't paying a subscription for it.
I remember seeing their very well done ad on RUclips knowing it will be the next Thunderf00t debunk. It had all the red flags in it. Thanks for helping us improve our critical thinking!
My BS radar is so advanced that I don't need Thunderf00t to see these things. However, an engineering degree does not make me the most popular guy in the pub. What he is doing is making critical thinking more accessible to the public and cutting down on the time to make decisions. I approve of him in that regard.
I don't do much gardening anymore but my composter was an amazing high tech... 4 sqr meter box made of left-over fence boards. I'd just toss raked leaves, tree and bush trimmings, coffee grounds, horse manure, etc., in... and I turned it once in a while. Instead of keeping it in the kitchen and feeding it electricity, I kept it out behind my garage and let the bacteria in the manure heat it to kill the mold, fungus and parasites. It didn't stink up the house, it didn't even stink. It had that rich smell of boreal forest floor and it did marvelous things to my garden. Cost me approximately $0.50 worth of nails and lasted for 3 or 4 years before I had to replace the fence boards... and the old fence boards went in the compost. Lomi appears to be a solution looking for a problem. I can't imagine why anyone would spend money on landfill fodder that will never break down, takes lots of energy to manufacture, takes more energy to operate and turns to rubbish as soon as the shine wears off.
What happens to your compost box/pile in the winter? I live at over 5000 feet in Colorado, long winters, short growing season. I haven't found a way to keep compost hot enough in the winter to keep the process going, then it's just full of frozen garbage. Not great.
bread machines are an underrated godsend. They allow numbskulls like me to be bakers, and thats a great thing. They really need to come back into vogue.
Once you get a recipe dialed in, you get a very decent loaf, fresh and much healthier then shelf life store bread. Only takes minutes to throw together, pro tip, use a scale weigh everything no messing with measuring cups.
Funny thing is that noone had taken these crapturds to court yet. If it was me and I received such bs the first thing I would do is call my lawyer. I'm gonna sue them. They have no problems doing it to others I wonder how a well documented video like this would do in court. Hmmmmmm
I'd love to know how much it costs to run a Lomi for its full recommended cycle after the UK's October price cap on energy goes up. I'm betting it would produce the most expensive not-quite-compost ever made. I'm almost sure it would cost more per gram than some of the lower carats of gold.
There's something very satisfying about seeing the progress of your compost over time. I realize this requires space that not all people have, but for me, it's one of those little things in life.
A composting box is cheaper and more efficient. You just add a small layer of soil to the bottom, followed by kitchen scraps, followed by more soil on top. You keep adding layers of scraps and soil on top over time until it is full, then you close it and flip it upside down. Then dig out the composted bottom layers and start layering it back up with scraps+soil. The resulting composted soil is moist and full of microbes/nutrients that help plants grow.
I love how thunderfoot calls these companies out and tries to hold them accountable after he gets them in his crosshairs. You are one of the few RUclipsrs to do this. And I absolutely love it. I'm a huge fan of your work and your channel.
This could likely be emulated with simple kitchen tools that many people have: just put the vegetable scraps in a pan in a toaster oven (or regular oven) at a low temperature, like slightly below 100°C (or 212F) and bake until completely dry, then scrape up the dried vegetables and grind them in a food processor. It'll probably become the same dry powder-like useless waste that looks the same as Lomi's useless waste (that is not at all real compost). Alternatively, for a more chemistry lab-looking approach, perhaps Thunderf00t could glue some razor blades to a magnetic stir bar and then use a stir-bar hot plate with the vegetable scraps in a beaker, and likely get the same thing after a few hours.
I mean it's not completely useless. It's just the remnants of unprocessed organic matter with less water in it. I bet if you add this stuff to your compost heap back in the garden it will degrade and become compost nicely. ... Which would be also true, if you just toss your veggie scraps directly onto the compost heap...
@@robertnett9793 Will it? Desiccation is a preservation process, micro-organisms need water to break down stuff. To me this seems like it makes your scraps *less* readily compostable, since they need to rehydrate first before they can be broken down further.
@@tylisirn Nah - the fact that the stuff is dry doesn't matter as much. Well if you have a closed composter and not a heap and no moisture can get in, than it will be a problem I think. But if you throw the dry organic matter on your heap it will be re moisturised in no time. The process of drying and grinding it doesn't make it much better, but it doesn't make it worthless either. It's simply an unneccessary waste of energy.
@@robertnett9793 Grinding the waste does make composting faster, but hardly that relevant in the big picture. The dehydrated scraps get moist fast in a good composting environment but the initial dehydration is obviously completely unnecessary.
@@juusoblomqvist363 Yep. Completely agree. Especially considering you can buy a 75ltr (say round about 20kg) of high quality soil for about 13 bucks - then it will take quite a while until the overpriced bread-maker has payed off :D
The Lomi people should just send you their product to test thoroughly and disprove your theories. But no, they threaten legal action immediately. Bit sus, no?
Watching your videos roasting the scammers and charlatans of the world over an open flaming pit of undeniable reality is heartwarmingly satisfying. 👍 As a society we need to focus on enacting tangible laws that afforded real and proportional monetary penalties for scam companies, as well as long periods of incarceration for the throngs of swindling operators.
We used too they was called "false advertising laws" and a long way back we used to enforce them strongly against snake oils salesmen a d any other scammer unfortunately corruption and private money in government IE late stage capitalism eroded good laws like that until they were basically unenforceable.
Don't they have consumer rights in the US? Jeez... That Amazon reviewer was told he/she could only ship it back unopened lol yeah because that's how a product goes faulty... These Lomi people should be in prison.
@@zaco-km3su how the hell can i do that, it takes 6 months to have a court date set and my lawyer is doing his best. What makes it rough is its workmans comp not just a injury lawsuit. Complicated and no money. Ill only get half of my lost income because the rest is going to the lawyer and for workmans comp there is no settlements. Fml
With all the steam coming out of that machine wouldn't it be a perfect combination with one of these glorified dehumidifiers? I guess they would finally produce a decent amount of water, would they not? Edit: Waterseer and Fontus were the names of the 'glorified dehumidifiers'
Holy shit, this video not only busted my confidence in a product I had wish listed, but it also boosted my confidence in Amazon reviews. Wowzers! Great Video👍
I've got a wormery and that cost me about £12 for 2 50L rectangle containers which i drilled a load of small holes in the bottom of the top containers for any excess moisture to drip through, then got a load of lob worms from my garden and it's the best plant food going.
I'm always delighted to see these kind of scams busted. I used to road-test different sorts of composters in my York Rotters days, and many of the devices and systems DID NOT WORK!
I just want to say thank you, scientifically debunking scams, false promises and 3D renderings alike with the almost constant 'threat' of legal action. true dedication!
When I see these snippets you have aptly chosen from the first dozen or so years of Simpsons episodes, my brain is finishing out dialogue before the characters themselves. I especially knew those inside and out in the early aught, since I could listen to the commentary on the episodes in addition to re-watching them on DVD countless times. Not where I used to be, but I still remember quite a bit, they're a nice treat. Thank you for taking me back to better times and places.
My eco friendly cousin got one of these,amid it broke after about a month of regular use she wanted to see if I could fix it in my spare time, this machine is 100 percent built to break the blade coupling is made out of aluminum and is very thin so the tabs bend and break and there is no fixing it unless u have a milling machine to mill a new one
Pigs, chickens, and bunny rabbits do a pretty good job of turning your fruit and veggie waste into "compost" without all the electricity and stinky steam in your kitchen.
Funny how despite there being a blender-like grinding apparatus inside the machine, those "melted" plastic cases showed no signs of being subjected to such. No scratches, no nicks, and they're not mixed in with the rest of the contents, Almost if they had been blowtorched and then carefully set on top, so they'd be the first thing the camera saw when the lid was opened.
I'm happy that this is the first time I heard of this product. It's too bad community gardens aren't more common. If you seriously want to compost but lack the outdoor space to do it then IMHO that's the best way.
I called this right out of the gate when reddit exploded over this POS hinting it to TF. I saved two of my friends from getting this shit and just gifted them some of my compost worms that are doing a better job on the same footprint in a cuboard, the Lomi would take up after its broken, using no power at all...PROPER composting.
Here is how to do compost for cheap: build a 1x1 meter square container from wood and some metal frame in the garden, with the worden boards slanted inwards with air gaps in between. Throw your compost on the pile. Once it's enough and composted after a few years, plant some pumpkins or use as fertilizer in the garden. Notice how no Lomi is required for any of this.
To be fair, there are many tasks you can do without a given tool, but the tool makes it easier. That reason alone isn't enough to dismiss something. I'm not saying this product has any real use for the price though. It doesn't even do what it is supposed to do.
I am one of those odd people who still loves his bread maker in 2022. Some fresh sourdough toasted with a little butter on it is just unbelievable fo about the first 12 hours after making it.
Hahaha this is great. I absolutely love when these companies try to fight back because it just warrants busted part 2 and 3. Always a pleasure. My sister and brother in law have been using a lomi for several months, so I’ll let you know when it kicks the bucket haha
To give some insight in the "bio" phone cases. There are a lot of bio fibre plastics who are called "bio" but in reality they just have filler material in them to reduce the plastic amount. These cases are probably 20-50% fibre and the rest is plain old, non decomposeing PP. You see a lot of wood fibre- PP compounds It would work with something like PLA and the fibre filling could help with the composing of the case but PLA is expensive, has shipping times of 1-6 Month and need special moulds. Also, the claim of the cases to fully compose is absolutely wrong and could be a case for a lawsuit.
Light my Fire has a mess kit made of plastic with plant filler. They do not claim that it is compostable. Some retailers even include notes that it is not compostable in the product description. Some plastic is saved in production. The down side is that plant filler makes the material less suitable for recycling.
@@maxlutz3674 Exactly, the company I work for is also using bio fibre filled material in combination with recycled plastic to even enhance the otherwise weaker plastic. We recycle it in our own little cycle and can reuse more then 11 times to 100% without problems while the recycling PP alone would be a unusable soup in around 5-7. Its all about what is claimed and if they are true. And it makes me kinda angry to see them claiming such BS and not get punished for it.
I’d throw 50$ towards getting you one (Lomi by Pela) you saved me a shit ton of money from not buying one. Great job! Great content! May skepticism and critical thinking be with you always! Cheers
@@angel8fingers I wasn't aware. I used to have a half acre homestead. I will add your channel to my Feedbro. I wish you best of luck. Don't waste your money on automatic chicken coop doors. Just build your own with an ESP32 or Raspberry pi. Code is on the internet. I used sewage pipe feeders that I filled once a week with grain. Also, use a bucket , some lines and nipples to water them. I hated waking up early and letting them out and feeding them, etc. Automate as much as you can and you can leave them alone for days if it's not cold. (you know, visiting family etc) without asking a neighbor to look after them.
18:59 --- A labcoat with crisp, sharp creases that make obvious the fact that it was freshly removed from the wrapper. None of my labcoats look like that and haven't in years; AND I'M A THEORIST!
This device must be one of the most out of touch things I have ever seen. This so much epitomizes people living in cities, who never seen nature first hand in their life.
Isn’t there something that recently got put forward by the FTC, or some similar organization, that made predatory subscription services illegal? Like, you have to be able to cancel your “subscription” with no more steps than how you signed up for it? And that was implemented to go after companies that would let you sign up for something with the click of a button, but then you had to call them directly (sitting on hold for hours or more) to cancel said “service” I had a run in with something like that ages ago when I was younger and got curious about my family history, so I signed up for ancestry, I was able to fill all my information and sign up from their website no problem, and when I went to cancel before the end of the free trial, they made it impossible to sever that subscription without calling their support number.
@@charanth182 lovely /s But unsurprising, I remember one of the other RUclips channels I follow who deal with law talking about it at one point a while back, unfortunate to see nothing legitimate has come of it
My parents throw everything in a blender and dump it in the compost bin. Between the chickens and rabbits I don't have anything to compost but I do have an awful lot of fertilizer for the gardens.
Just use a bokashi. They actually work. Sure, it's not composting, but fermenting. The product can be used in the garden as fertilizer, though, as the bokashi method makes your scraps biodegrade faster. And the "tea" you drain from it is magic fluid for plants! :D A bonus is that it doesn't use electricity, either. You can make one from a pair of buckets.
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Funny part is, there's already something that works far much better than lomi! A rabbit! It eats your fruit and vegetable scraps, and poos out good stuff! And the average rabbit lives at least for 5 years, so it lasts a lot longer than whatever lomi could muster!
It even eats some of that good stuff back!
And it converts those nasty waste vegetables into tasty and nutritious meat. And if you buy two rabbits they will even make more of themselves... "Relearn the secret of free, sustainable, eco friendly meat known to our ancient ancestors but lost in the modern age!" I could right a great ad campaign based on this.
@@Argumemnon will it eat my good stuff as well?
And if you have that inclination you can breed and eat rabbit so those vegitable scraps turn into food. I bet you can’t eat a Lomi
Dude, rabbits produce methane, a green house gas that is directly linked to global warming!
No negative reviews is always a surefire way to tell it's fake. The best products in the world all have negative reviews from people saying "Shipping took too long", "Package came damaged" or "I didn't like the color" or whatever.
Zero negative reviews always menans it's either completely fake or negative reviews are not shown.
Agreed! I still find the idiot low reviews like you cited to be annoying, but you're right... they do serve a purpose as a reality point.
I always check for negative reviews because they're normally a good way to determine if there is an issue with the product or if other purchasers have been dumb. There being no negative reviews would be really suspicious, not even one saying it smelt bad, I mean you're literally cooking veg trash and it does not smell bad...
I like that saying:
The absence of signal is a signal itself
@@zerog2000 Unfortunately the average consumer may not be aware there are "signals"... they just know things that people say.
And people saying things to dupe other people may actually be the worlds second, oldest profession.
not to mention there's always some one star reviews that are actually super positive, the person just didn't know how to use stars or didn't bother to check...literally anything
OK so the challenge now is: has anyone used a Lomi to actually make bread?
No, But i have used Lomi-Lomi to make me feel better.
@@Gunni1972 try indica or sativa
I'm a gardening hobbyist. Dessicating, or even baking, the composted material is absolutely ridiculous. True compost needs the moisture to start up and keep running the biological processes. Composting is very interesting and one must have some knowledge to make a good compost. There are books dedicated only to composting. For example, if there's not enough air intake, the anaerobic processes may prevail, leading to production of smelly nitrous gases and loss of nitrogen, one of the most important substances for the plant growth.
This was my thought. It makes no sense to cook and desiccate the material. The goal is the slow breakdown of the material through aerobic bacteria and invertebrates.
You are wise.
Even the most low effort uninformed attempt at regular composting is already more effective than lomi.
I mean you can hardly prevent air and sunlight from drying your pile of compost free of charge.
It costs nothing, and doesn't eat up electricity.
Agreed, the dry powder produced by the Lomi, in its short functional period before it breaks down, is I would think, more likely to form a toxic slime when added to soil. As it has just been dried, but not composted it is likely to encourage fungal growth that could be actively harmful to young plants.
Holy hell... I'm intentionally adding layers of soil on my compost piles, to introduce beneficial bacteria and fungi as a composting starter. With baking and drying, whatever comes out of this machine definitely is not a decent-quality compost.
We had a composter when I was a kid. It was in the corner in our backyard. It was a pile. A pile of grass clippings, leaves, some table scraps, left over plants from the vegetable garden. My father would dig through it every year to get at the nice fertile soil in the middle. Didn’t need a fancy container. Didn’t need a special heat source since decaying plant matter generates its own heat. Nothing like that. Just nature doing what it does.
We have that exact same one, must have got it from the same place. Haven't had to get it serviced in decades.
same. we've had two piles for years. takes care of all our plant waste no problem, just thow it onto the pile and walk away.
I am living in a city in an apartment with balcony and both I and my gf and all other balcony neighbours do the same: we have three or four step composters for vegetable refuse and plant matter from balcony plants. It takes a long time, but after around three years you can plant new plants with the refuse you had the first year. Just to show that even composting is possible in cities (and it is not stinky as long as you don't overload them within a short time span or put high protein/high fat organic/fruit materials in)
But my dad to this day does the same as yours did. He has 4 huge refuse cages at the far end of the property (a lot of grass to mow) and lets each rot for four years before again using it as fertilizer.
But may I ask why your dad anually upturned the organic material? My dad just every now and then asks me to help for his newest cage so it does not catch fire once it starts smoldering
@@fatalityin1 once in a while we would go and dig through it to turn it over but not too often. My father always kept a good blanket of leaves over it to prevent erosion.
We have on in the garden been there running 24/7 for over 50 years, Never used any electricity either.
Grew up with a compost pile in the backyard. Vegetable scraps, grass clippings and coffee grounds. With one slightly psychotic cat and covering new additions with dirt we had no rodent or odor problem. A few years after moving into that house our gardens were flourishing. I wish I had the room today.
As someone who has a real compost heap in the backyard full of worms. imagining a trendy twitter user heating garbage in their kitchen is hilarious.
you think twitter has more than one braincell?
Facts. I even bought worms at Wal-Mart for my compost bed for a fraction of the cost of a Lomi. They've been working hard for the last 3 years running, perfect soil.
We actually donate our vegetable waste to a friend’s worm farm. She farms the worms for her gardens.
That was my first thought also
Not to mention all of the natural bacteria and fungi that nature provided us.
Definitely won’t cause problems down the line if we assume we’re smarter than evolution. It’s only been balancing plates for 100s of millions of years.
I’m still amazed that buyers seem to think it’s green processing their waste with fossil-fuel generated electricity instead of just putting it in a compost pile. Note the Lomi ads never show that there’s a power cord.
I have a corner in my garden where I dump green waste. Rots down to nothing really quickly,.
If I have fish to throw away I just dig a shallow hole in between my edible plants put the fish in and cover with soil.
... Or publish the energy usage
1 KwH per cycle for the grow mode isn't really too bad, tbh.
@@Krakaet
It's still a hell of a lot more kilowatt hours than flat zero . . .
Why burn up watts that don't need to be burned?
It's not only the power it needs to run but making the machine itself and keeping it clean and one day tossing it out. All it does is making composting, not eco friendly.
I'm glad I watched this video and many others. You just saved me a ton of money and heartache. I live in an apartment and we're not allowed to compost so I was super excited about Lomi.
Thank you!
if you watch epic gardening, they say, its not a compost, its a pre-compost
Lomi stooge.
I just LOVE when I see “scientists” in lab coats and you can clearly see the lab coat STILL has the folds in it from when it was in the shipping container and has never been laundered once.
Every time
and no stains too
Good observation!
Maybe they are new scientists fresh out of science school. Ever think about that, smart guy?
@@MyPhobo every graduating scientist gets their very own lab coat instead of a diploma.
It seems absurd to pump all that electricity into drying out the waste, just to rehydrate it later on when it's being turned into actual compost.
Do they still have electricity in Britain?
Yes, I have several buckets of organic free-range electrons that I've recovered from my compost bin.
@@igotes I hope those electrons are carbon neutral…?
@@josephpeeler5434 Yes, by the skin of our teeth…em, sorry, our wind turbines!
@@igotes Do they call that 'biomass', too?
_"Lomi will be a solution for your garbage and makes you soil!"_
Lomi: Becomes garbage and not good for soil
Censorship lawsuit from Lomi arriving in 3... 2...
You're a legend Thunderf00t, I hope these busted videos never stop coming!
Phil cheered on governments that censored people for questioning covid lockdowns. I seem to remember him cheering on the arrest of an Australian protest organizer. Remind me, how did those lockdowns work out once multi-variant studies came in?
same!!
@@DeconvertedMan pela wants you to use virtual burner credit cards or something
It's only a matter of time.
Or if they don't go full-out legal, they might file FOUR bogus DMCA's against him (this video, his "compostable phone case" debunk video, the Lomi Busted video, and the "[Pela] threaten legal action for the Busted video" video).
@@electric7487 if not bogus DMCA, I would expect complaints to the BBB and consumer financial protection bureau to initiate federal investigations, similar to the ones that SoClean (CPAP cleaner machine) is experiencing for their false claims and equipment that literally produces a toxic byproduct when operating. The FDA finally cracked down on them
Man, all these trash/scam kickstarters are starting to run together in my mind. I thought lomi was the clothes dryer thing and I couldn't figure out why they were talking about a pile of dirt.
Lomi's performance could be improved by the addition of an air conditioning unit. And vacuum!
Wait, so this video WASN'T about the hyperloop? :)
@@wobblyboost But that may explain why shipping takes so long?
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Oh. Do we not meme on Solar Roadways anymore?
The sad thing is a desktop dryer for an outfit worth of cloths wouldn't even be that bad of a product idea or that hard to make.
A tub attached to a spinning bit, a heating element, and a condenser for reign in the humidity. Hell, with a Peltier cooler, you can have *both* a heating element and the condenser in 1 package. That can be done rather cheaply and easily.
As for that stupid idea with a vacuum pump dryer, a cheap air compressor from harbor freight could do the vacuum pump role.
When companies promise “a lifetime” of anything, they really mean the lifetime of the product 🤣
The lifetime of their fly-by-night company. Bankrupt organizations don't have to give refunds or replacements.
Even a good company usually has a shorter lifetime than a human customer.
@@RedSiegfried that's Capitalist society to you. Make trash no one needs but convince them they need it anyway and you got sells.
@@swisstroll3 monopoly
I want to see Thunderf00t make bread with a Lomi. 😂
same
It would be charcoal after 16 hours lol. They could market it as organic bbq fuel.
He said, "it's just a matter of time until I get my hands on one of these", so your wish might be answered.
It probably runs at lower temperature, so instead of bread you'd have an extremely developed dough that you can't use for regular bread.
@@blinkybill2198 You could stop it before 16 hours. When ever it looks done. :-)
Funny. I throw my kitchen scraps (all vegetable only) on a pile at the back of my yard, and then throw some leaves or grass clippings on them. Rain and worms take car of the rest. Keep adding and by spring it's dirt underneath. Thermophilic composting happens without buying anything.
This is just so brutal. I love your videos. As an organic gardener it bugs the hell out of me that they say this is compost it is not compost it is dehydrated garbage!!!!!!!
Ah yes, the comfort of thinking you do something good without actually doing something good. Basically the best sales pitch of the past 10 years.
Composting is free, assuming you have a patch of dirt and some time on your hands. But you can't monetize free and inconvenience isn't a marketable feature, so you ELECTRIFY the process and sell it as a breakthrough technology to gizmo twerps and greeny rubes, middle-class and semiaffluent apartment dwellers who are, apparently, obsessed with producing their own potted plant soil.
Kinda like people who cheered on lockdowns and the censoring of anyone who questioned them. Ahem, wasn't Phil one of the authoritarians in that episode?
@@capslockcapable1719 How much does this thing cost up front? A compost tumbler with a good frame and stable platform will compost a bunch of dirt for only a one time cost. A non-fancy one that you have to tumble by hand was about $100 a decade ago, and this still tumbled pretty easy once you got it going thanks to momentum.
@@SerunaXI there's also the literally free method of tossing it all in a pile in a far corner of your land
Anyone who cares about being "sustainable" should be able to figure out that Lomi wastes a load of energy to achieve pretty much nothing. If you really want to dry out your food waste, save the $500 and put it in a very low oven for a day. (The food waste, not the money)
My grandma used to have a composter in her yard. It was called a pig it also recycled into ham after a time. :))
That's why I'm not a vegan, I only eat recycled energy, not clean energy from the plants.
And bacon!
Your grandma was a science content marketing specialist doing actual scientific stuff ?
Works with chickens too! Food scraps go in, delicious fresh eggs come out.
I mean, technically that's a manur-er, but I guess it's closer to plant food than whatever a Lomi spits out.
my wife had no idea about this stupidity, and needed a new phone and case. She ended up ordering one of these cases, and a few days later your video came out. I showed it to her, and she requested a refund after it was delivered. Then we watched your video and she requested a refund/return -- when asked for a reason she linked your video. It was approved, and we'll look for better ways to offset our carbon footprint/consumerism.
I bought a used otterbox for my phone for real cheap, works and looks great and was way cheaper than a new one :) although I bought it off Amazon unfortunately, I'd prefer if it were a site like Etsy since they 'offset the carbon emissions from their deliveries with credits' (if you know how that system works)
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa haha.. if u knew anything about "carbon credits" u would know its just a scam.
You think *having a phone case delivered to your house* is in ANY way offsetting carbon? My lord.
You don't need a phone case! Honestly try it out, phone designers have put a lot of work into making the phone look good, nice to handle and thin as possible. What else would you buy and keep the wrapping on?!
@@not_glad well, one type of phone case that does make sense are tough ones, for clumsy people or those like me who just prefer it over the bareback phone
As someone that had 3 years of Agriculture, hearing the offer of a "lifetime supply of dirt", it sounds bad. Dirt = is an actual term we used to describe worthless material. Soil is bio actively useful and you can grow things, along with compost which is basically soil you make really fast. Soil naturally forms at about an inch every 100 years from everything breaking down overtime naturally. Compost is just speeding up the process while also adding extra nutrients. But 'DIRT', is worthless. It contains nothing useful to sustain life. You know, like those large farm areas where crops are always failing and everything is dead? That's dirt. You need to plow it, and mix in so much material and elements to achieve "Soil". Basically, "Dirt" is the stuff you scrape off your shoes.
_This_ is the kind of pedantic nit-picky quibbling I appreciate.
For regular people, soil is a type of dirt.
Probably quite accurate of them to say the machine produces dirt and not soil.
Just watched that 'the end is nye' peacock show, episode about the great plains and the next Dust Bowl, and bill nye contrasts dirt vs soil
nice
It's also part of the scam! "We never said it's going to be soil" These people should go to jail with the loose women in the lab coats.
When I lived in Bristol I bought a composting bin from the local authority for £22 including delivery. Obviously you need some garden to use it but it was very effictive. The lomi doesn't compost anything, it just grinds and dries food waste. Composting is an aerobic method of decomposing organic solid wastes. It can therefore be used to recycle organic material. The process involves decomposing organic material into a humus-like material, known as compost, which is a good fertilizer for plants.
Was it one of those horizontal Barrel style bins
@@borttorbbq2556 No, just an upright barrel shaped container with a lid but no base. Just put it on the ground and worms come up to eat the vegetable waste. I actually got two of them so when one was full I would start filling the second compost bin. By the time the second bin was full the contents of the first were ready to go on the garden.
@@Karatekidhero I mean it can be done that way. But that will kill most of the additional decomposers you may want
@@peterjf7723 strange but cool. Never heard of that type
@@Karatekidhero Conventional composting is aerobic but there are anaerobic digesters, these produce methane gas which can be used as a fuel.
When I was studying microbiology we had tours of a couple of sewage treatment plants. Some of the sewage went into anaerobic digesters, producing methane that went to generators to produce power to run the site.
in my last gardening job, we had accelerated composters. they were made of some type of polystyrene. they didn't require power, just occasionally doses of hot water. in 6 days you'd have compost.
Does that compost have the same quality as, say your run-of-the-mill garden compost heap? Because as far as I understand it, it's not only temperature and moisture but also time, as small insects and bacteria simply need time to decompose organic remains. And 6 days - compared to the few months it normally takes sounds awfully optimistic...
Then again - I am also a gardener, but compost isn't really a thing here, so I might be mistaken on this :D
big enough compost heaps heat themselves, and packaging compost in an insulating box like styrofoam reduces the minimum size of the compost pile required to heat up a good amount, and reduces the percentage of compost around the edges ofthe pile that stay too cold to compost quickly. up to a point, hotter temperatures accelerate both biological and chemical breakdown processes, though above that point, the biological organisms that are supposed to do most of the work die. in colder weather, it can certainly help with fast compoating to insulate the pile, though in hot weather it can be dangerous, as I'm pretty sure that compost can actually get hot enough to self-ignite (don't ask me how, it can obviously not be entirely due to biological processes).
@@Ass_of_Amalek exactly. ive seen survivialists use compost backed around water tanks to act as makeshift water heaters.
There's Busted when a scam tries to sell impossible tech. And there's Hyper-busted when a tech-scam is combined with a regular stealing money scam.
But it's not like they're REALLY busted, right? Like it's not like the FBI is going to raid Lomi's headquarter because of this video... lol
Lomi probably shouldn't care much about this video because of the nature of their customers, tomorrow, these stupid people will still continue to buy the worst stupid products, no matter what. And to be really honest with you, these people who bought this are just so braindead, I think they really deserved to get scammed.
The small fish gets eaten by the bigger fish... It always been like that and it always will.
When a neo-tech scam gets paired up with classic snake oils salesmanship, you know it’s truly awful.
Lab coat in the office a give away of a pretend lab worker! What do the need a lab coat for in their lab anyway? test running the bread makers?
I mean the Lomi device technically does exactly what it's supposed to so it's not really a acam. Some people use the cheap Chinesium ones to make light chicken feed from scraps without giving wet scraps directly to chickens.
@@infernaldaedra It is claiming that it actually composts vegetable waist, all it do does is to dry and grind it up. That is not composting, Lomi is a scam.
I can see a class-action lawsuit in the works... unfortunately, they will probably just file bankrupcy, change their company name, and continue on. These people are despicable.
...and the law, which allows such despicable thieving, is at the root of it all.
@@noneofyourbizness No, the law isn't what made Lomi put out a trash juicer and sucker morons. By that logic you're the root cause of such scams because you don't go out and murder these people.
I hate these kinds of bastards too and I'm just as frustrated about the injustices of the justice systems, but reign it in, buddy.
In this case they might actually be made personally responsible since they do not just overstate the function of the device but also adds subscriptions without any agreements.
Fraud is a ceime committed by people and not companies, so the police can hunt them down.
Just delivering subpar quality is way safer since it's a civil case between customers and company.
Tools to Face ID people may make it more difficult for the public face of these companies to move on to new scams.
@@Relkond I'm a bit curious that people aren't reacting and posting the names of old school mates, neighbours etc they suddenly see scamming around while claiming to be what they aren't. It isn't like it's real doctors of technology/chemistry/... we get to see in the videos.
Maybe this world needs a global web site tracking/identifying people behind scams. The quicker people are informed a "researcher" is a low-grade actor, the quicker people can realize they need to stay away from scam products.
Funny, I recently saw an ad for this on RUclips and my first thought was....."this composting machine will complement my Juicero perfectly"
😂
I had a breadmaker in which the paddle fused to the axle and couldn't be removed for cleaning. Still worked. As the Lomi runs hot for much longer and the chopped veggies are more likely to work into tight spaces than dough, I'd bet the broken Lomis have welded their cutters or axles to the bowl.
If they were smart they'd run it cooler, but who knows if they're smart. Bread bakes in the 300+°F range, while water boils at only 212°F
I had a similar issue for months with my bread maker. Turns out that it was still removable but I just couldn't get a proper grip on it and my shoulders were too weak to pull it out. I struggled for a while to get it off only for a friend to get it off almost immediately...
I would probably guess that the cutter got jammed on a carrot and the motor torqued out and then burned up. Friction welding the cutter to the shaft is totally plausible, but welding the cutter to the bowl sounds like it would have to be running at 10k RPM. Most likely in your case the motor/gearbox was strong enough to overcome the connection of the shaft to the cutter, friction welded that weak joint (or just created enough debris to engage the parts better). The broken Lumis probably had a crap motor/gearbox and no fault tolerance in the electronics to recover from a jam without smoking the power supply, motor, or gearbox. For 500$+ a device that agitates and processes waste should be able to handle bone, or whatever incidental kitchen waste is accidentally fed into it.
Way to go thunderfoot, standing up for the smaller youtuber 👏
Lomi = scam.
Those young media women should be ashamed of themselves.
They're not "young media women", they're legit scientists on a crusade to help the planet by developing a useless non-compostable device that wastes energy.
Did you not notice the size of that girl's spectacles? Only the cleverest of nerds can wear those.
@@igotes yeah, she's a level 8 Scientist *at least*
It's all a bit too complicated for my simple engineers' brain.
I picked up 2 each blue plastic 55 gallon drums ... 22 years ago.
Free compost for life.
A cheaper alternative that can be used for more than one thing, BRILLIANT!!
Just to put this in a bit of perspective.
Lomi cost $429.
A 40lb bag of compost costs $3.28 at my local Lowes.
That thing would have to generate 5200lb(2.6TONS) of 'compost', just to cover the purchase cost.
Add in the operations cost, and it gets worse.
Soil(dirt) can be had for 2.28/40Lbs. 7520lbs(3.76tons)
Really wondering where this 'free' dirt the sales weasel was talking about comes from.
I could get rabbits and a huge flock of chickens cheaper than this. Definitely can get a compost box and earth worms for like $10-15
@@ayajade6683 Bingo. Way cheaper, and the rabbits and chickens could be more fun.
@@chrisbaker8533 brilliant, will just start a farm in my 500 sq ft apartment...lol
@@justice_1337 if you have a 500 sqr ft apartment you shouldn't need dirt
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 community garden?
I posted 7 months ago on your Lomi busted video that it was basically a $500 rebranded bread machine LOL
I have a home composter and it works great, it's a big plastic bin in the garden. After buying it, it uses no power, requires, not maintenance and no intervention apart from emptying it about every 2 years.
Options for cancelling such "subscriptions" include a "security closure" on your credit card that they are charging [assuming you didn't use paypal]. The credit card company will cancel that card number and re-issue you a new number, and a new card, usually at NO COST to you. Yes, you might have to reauthorize your legitimate subscription charges, but with the old card number invalidated, the company can't do anything unless you give them the new card number.
I use a separate card for possibly dodgy one-off purchases. Subscriptions etc to companies I trust are on another. I can cancel the first card at the drop of a hat with no inconvenience. I did that when Amazon started to scam me - good job I classed them as a company not to trust.
To prevent such abuses, Revolut's single-use virtual cards are a perfect solution. And free!
@@AntalMadincea Yeah I think there's a few companies that offer that.
I remember donating to Team Trees twice and my bank called me that they blocked a second one!! However to get rid of PayPal, I had to get a new card. I cannot wait for PayPal to banned from everywhere.
@540マンモス FIrst I've heard that you can ask a credit card company to block a specific vendor, at least not without a lot of hoops to jump through. What is your cc company?
As for PayPal, you have _everything_ to worry about.
The main difference between a Lomi, and a bread maker (of which I've had a couple, and actually enjoy using)? The bread maker actually does what it's purported to do.
True.
Probably smells better while operating too..
@@Dr_Wrong it's hard to beat the smell of baking bread, that's for sure.
They contacted the Chinese factory and asked them to make the program 15 hrs long. Big whoop. It's only matter if time before they go to jail. I just hope they realise crime does not pay well. (We should force them to make an apology video to deter other idiots from trying the same)
Phil--- good on you for being in Parkrose Permaculture's corner. She is a very nice person and has a great channel and doesn't deserve to be threatened by these two-bit scammer con artists with their $500 bread machine.
💯💯
Gardening is a long-term process that requires forward planning. If you need compost *quickly* then it's probably the least of your problems.
Just get a normal compost bin and embrace the gentle pace of your garden. It's a glorious thing.
You could also get a worm system which is compact, pretty fast, and doesn't need to use electricity for 12 hours lmao
I'm suss about how you make compost... Given your username.
Our council asks for us to put all our FOGO (food and organic) material into a bin they collect weekly. We can put grass clippings, twigs, and other garden rubbish in it. Council then sells it to fertilizer manufacturers to reduce our rates. The idea that reducing the size of your food scraps is somehow desirable is a joke, and that "automatic" charcoal subscription is theft, pure and simple. And that's apart from the fact that they have fraudulent reviews, the product is poorly made, and it costs so much... Keep at them Thunderf00t!
Here in Sweden we put food scraps in a paper bag and then in the compost bin provided by our council..
As soon as they claim Lomi produces compost, you know they are lying. No way can you get such a small amount of material to compost in the time they claim.
The fastest method takes at least a cubic yard of material and eighteen days.
It's guranteed to have a terrible nitrogen-carbon (green-brown) balance as well.
It makes "Dirt" not Soil or compost.
That sounds suspiciously like the wooden cage thing somewhere near my grandparents house.
The Lomi appears to be a great container to put the Pela case in, you know, to save space when you throw the Lomi into the garbage can.
Should you clean the bullshit out of the Lomi first to recycle it?
I got a used blender at my local thrift store for 20$.
I add a little water to my produce scraps and soluble paper products, hit the button for a quick and thorough chop.
The contents get poured and mixed into my lawn, flower beds, lawn, etc.
Here in the Netherlands flax fibre was used to create linen cloth that was durable and a lot stronger than modern cotton. (up to 30% more durable)
And it's great for allergies.
So essentially chosen by our ancestors to make durable stuff that wouldn't rot easily...
Like the way you stand up for smaller creators. You are a true scientist and follow the facts not the money. I have the utmost respect for you in that regard.
We may not always be fully on the same page as it were however you are a true superstar and we need more people like you my friend to police these total and utter scammers!!!!
Peace pal..
Keep it real👍🏻😎
"Like the way you stand up for smaller creators"
I searched the 'parkrose permaculture' channel and didn't find the referenced video. I'm afraid she buckled to the threats and took the video down, to be on the safe side.
@@Randrew It's still there: ruclips.net/video/tdz9egQKc4k/видео.html - "$500 Bougie Kitchen Composters".
@@Randrew Nope, the video is still up. ruclips.net/video/tdz9egQKc4k/видео.html
They would never sue, then they'd have to go through discovery and hand over all the technical details.
Imagine how much electricity this thing uses just to reduce some veg scraps......during the worst energy price hike in modern history....all i can say is WOW...
1 KwH per use for the grow cycle. Really not a catastrophe. . . .
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@@Krakaet well thanks to people that each burn 50000 gallons of fuel per day in private jets/helicopter/yachts telling us burning fuel is bad this con will probably cost £300 and hr to run now. But hey , billionaire farts don't stink do they?
These people got it completely wrong! When it stops working after 3 months, it a) doesn't need an enormous amount of energy every day, b) saves you a lot of money and c) stops the mold from growing inside your moist kitchen. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Bethesda's Law
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of this! Now, that I think of it, they should give ME $500
you know what always gives you a lifetime supply of dirt ?
getting a composting box for 20 bucks
Chicken wire and 4 sticks ...
The best system to use in an apartment setting is worms. @@harrymills2770
What even is this "lifetime supply of dirt"? Like all the dirt I will need to grow all the food I will need during my whole life? I looked how much "dirt" you need if you want vegetables, grains, eggs, milk and a pig (because who would eat a salad without bacon, right?) and it comes to ~1 hectare per person. That is not that much, 100 by 100 meters is not huge. Well, not tiny too, it is pretty big garden, but still walkable land. How deep we want to go? 20 centimeters? Is that enough? Well, let's say it is. From what I read and heard, you should have about half organic (compost, manure) and half inorganic (dirt, sand, clay) composition for good farming, so that is 10 centimeters of compost. Quick conversion, from meters and centimeters to decimeters. 1000 by 1000 by 1, that is million cube decimeters (or million liters, here is dirt usually sold by 20, 50 or 70 liters bags (or by trucks)).
Will Lomi produce million liters of compost? Even if we will be so generous that we will call Lomi produce "compost" I really doubt it.
We have 8 chickens give them ALL of our veggie scraps and most leftovers. In return we get 6-7 fresh eggs a day, fertilizer for the garden and they are super sweet and make great pets! All 8 cost around 25 bucks total as chicks and live for years. Not a bad ROI 😊
At least there’s no risk of a predator attacking a Lomi…
At the end of their lifespan you also get "free" meat as well.
Plus the bonus of watching excited chickens freak out when you give them scraps.
@@markiangooley Didn't you watch this video?
@@electric7487 Technically, but I am not so sure an old chicken is particularly tasty
I have a "Compost Accelerator". It's called a compost bin and it's full of decaying vegetable matter, dirt and earthworms.
It cost nothing.
blasphemy. it must cost $1000 and have thousands of years of research under it's belt because there's no way it could beat my Lomi which i only need to replace every 3 months.
I have a new product called the Lomi-Lomi. After your Lomi breaks you put it into the Lomi-Lomi and the Lomi-Lomi turns your Lomi into compost.
I have a compost accelerator too, it's called a worm bin. It really does accelerate my compost.
@@iannmiller On/Off switch
Mine also cost nothing. It's a plastic bin I found on the side of the toad
"Plastic is just oil and gas refined in a certain way so it just kinda melted"
*SCIENCE!!*
Actually my friend has a working home composter that she uses for all her leaves and stuff and it's so genius what it is is basically a box with no walls it's just that the framing made with like 2x4s and she just rakes all our leaves into it and leaves it there all year round and it compost itself and it works really well no energy no cost nothing she just rakes all her leaves right in there and then year later she's got a compost
Can't wait for Thunderf00t to make a busted video about it, that just sounds way, way too good to be true, so it can't be, right!?
@@thecakeredux It just sounds like a single pile compost box. Whats wrong with that.
@@gokart6796354 Nothing *. Though it might be noted that one can't say if that comment is sarcastic or serious.
* Except you shouldn't compost your home waste in that. Not because it won't work, but because it's a buffet for rodents.
@@jkausti6737 wouldn't it be a midden? And without adding green material and aerating it's going anaerobic and releasing nitrogen in gas form and carbon monoxide, right?
Good about that is you get worms to use as an bait for fishing
My girlfriend actually bought one of these, against my reservations (mainly because I didn't want yet another appliance taking up kitchen counter space). In fairness, it works exactly as advertised--we haven't had any problems, though it does often stink like a vegetable-inspired fart while it's operating. I'm more questioning the point of owning one, since we never use the compost for gardening; it all goes in the same compost bin that whole food scraps go into.
….So she wasted her money?
@@TacoEX1 I suppose it'll make a neat conversation starter if we ever have any guests.
I'm bummed to hear that it's not useful for an actual garden because that's pretty much the only reason I could think to use it.
@@vargonian Get a compost box - it's just orders of magnitudes cheaper and actually does work.
Woman tend to do things like that.
@@TacoEX1 It takes less space now in the bin... At least...
18:28 popping out from under a table like that in a presentation is something you'd see in elementary school.
Glad you covered this. My sister has had one for a few months and I go over to her house and the thing is making the most god awful noises grinding and I was thinking this sucker must be using tons of power due to the heat it was generating. It all seemed a bit silly to me. Hope she isn't paying a subscription for it.
I remember seeing their very well done ad on RUclips knowing it will be the next Thunderf00t debunk. It had all the red flags in it.
Thanks for helping us improve our critical thinking!
My BS radar is so advanced that I don't need Thunderf00t to see these things. However, an engineering degree does not make me the most popular guy in the pub. What he is doing is making critical thinking more accessible to the public and cutting down on the time to make decisions. I approve of him in that regard.
First time I saw this was in an RUclips ad that played right before Thunderf00t's origonal Lomi busted video, lol!
I don't do much gardening anymore but my composter was an amazing high tech... 4 sqr meter box made of left-over fence boards. I'd just toss raked leaves, tree and bush trimmings, coffee grounds, horse manure, etc., in... and I turned it once in a while.
Instead of keeping it in the kitchen and feeding it electricity, I kept it out behind my garage and let the bacteria in the manure heat it to kill the mold, fungus and parasites.
It didn't stink up the house, it didn't even stink. It had that rich smell of boreal forest floor and it did marvelous things to my garden.
Cost me approximately $0.50 worth of nails and lasted for 3 or 4 years before I had to replace the fence boards... and the old fence boards went in the compost.
Lomi appears to be a solution looking for a problem. I can't imagine why anyone would spend money on landfill fodder that will never break down, takes lots of energy to manufacture, takes more energy to operate and turns to rubbish as soon as the shine wears off.
What happens to your compost box/pile in the winter? I live at over 5000 feet in Colorado, long winters, short growing season. I haven't found a way to keep compost hot enough in the winter to keep the process going, then it's just full of frozen garbage. Not great.
bread machines are an underrated godsend. They allow numbskulls like me to be bakers, and thats a great thing. They really need to come back into vogue.
Once you get a recipe dialed in, you get a very decent loaf, fresh and much healthier then shelf life store bread. Only takes minutes to throw together, pro tip, use a scale weigh everything no messing with measuring cups.
Funny thing is that noone had taken these crapturds to court yet. If it was me and I received such bs the first thing I would do is call my lawyer. I'm gonna sue them. They have no problems doing it to others I wonder how a well documented video like this would do in court. Hmmmmmm
Were they ever in vogue?
I'd love to know how much it costs to run a Lomi for its full recommended cycle after the UK's October price cap on energy goes up. I'm betting it would produce the most expensive not-quite-compost ever made. I'm almost sure it would cost more per gram than some of the lower carats of gold.
IF you can stand the smell of hot food scraps
Might as well buy a pig and when it fails turn it into bacon.
There's something very satisfying about seeing the progress of your compost over time. I realize this requires space that not all people have, but for me, it's one of those little things in life.
A composting box is cheaper and more efficient. You just add a small layer of soil to the bottom, followed by kitchen scraps, followed by more soil on top. You keep adding layers of scraps and soil on top over time until it is full, then you close it and flip it upside down. Then dig out the composted bottom layers and start layering it back up with scraps+soil. The resulting composted soil is moist and full of microbes/nutrients that help plants grow.
Jup. Just be careful to not contaminate your compost with weed (as in unwanted plant growth not drugs) seeds or pests.
B-b-but we need our composting boxes to be connected to the internet!!
Thank you for being the one willing to be courageous to make these videos to protect everyone from useless products and scams.
I love how thunderfoot calls these companies out and tries to hold them accountable after he gets them in his crosshairs. You are one of the few RUclipsrs to do this. And I absolutely love it. I'm a huge fan of your work and your channel.
This could likely be emulated with simple kitchen tools that many people have: just put the vegetable scraps in a pan in a toaster oven (or regular oven) at a low temperature, like slightly below 100°C (or 212F) and bake until completely dry, then scrape up the dried vegetables and grind them in a food processor. It'll probably become the same dry powder-like useless waste that looks the same as Lomi's useless waste (that is not at all real compost). Alternatively, for a more chemistry lab-looking approach, perhaps Thunderf00t could glue some razor blades to a magnetic stir bar and then use a stir-bar hot plate with the vegetable scraps in a beaker, and likely get the same thing after a few hours.
I mean it's not completely useless. It's just the remnants of unprocessed organic matter with less water in it. I bet if you add this stuff to your compost heap back in the garden it will degrade and become compost nicely. ... Which would be also true, if you just toss your veggie scraps directly onto the compost heap...
@@robertnett9793 Will it? Desiccation is a preservation process, micro-organisms need water to break down stuff. To me this seems like it makes your scraps *less* readily compostable, since they need to rehydrate first before they can be broken down further.
@@tylisirn Nah - the fact that the stuff is dry doesn't matter as much. Well if you have a closed composter and not a heap and no moisture can get in, than it will be a problem I think.
But if you throw the dry organic matter on your heap it will be re moisturised in no time.
The process of drying and grinding it doesn't make it much better, but it doesn't make it worthless either.
It's simply an unneccessary waste of energy.
@@robertnett9793 Grinding the waste does make composting faster, but hardly that relevant in the big picture. The dehydrated scraps get moist fast in a good composting environment but the initial dehydration is obviously completely unnecessary.
@@juusoblomqvist363 Yep. Completely agree.
Especially considering you can buy a 75ltr (say round about 20kg) of high quality soil for about 13 bucks - then it will take quite a while until the overpriced bread-maker has payed off :D
The Lomi people should just send you their product to test thoroughly and disprove your theories. But no, they threaten legal action immediately. Bit sus, no?
As Confucius once said, truths don't mind being challenged, lies HATE being challenged.
Watching your videos roasting the scammers and charlatans of the world over an open flaming pit of undeniable reality is heartwarmingly satisfying. 👍 As a society we need to focus on enacting tangible laws that afforded real and proportional monetary penalties for scam companies, as well as long periods of incarceration for the throngs of swindling operators.
We used too they was called "false advertising laws" and a long way back we used to enforce them strongly against snake oils salesmen a d any other scammer unfortunately corruption and private money in government IE late stage capitalism eroded good laws like that until they were basically unenforceable.
Don't they have consumer rights in the US? Jeez... That Amazon reviewer was told he/she could only ship it back unopened lol yeah because that's how a product goes faulty... These Lomi people should be in prison.
Wouldn't work in Europe, the US does not have good consumer protection legislation.
Yes but you have to spend lots on lawsuits. I was an employee and got hurt at work and 9 months later im still trying to get my boss to pay.
@@WillBilly.
Freeze his accounts. That will make him pay.
@@zaco-km3su how the hell can i do that, it takes 6 months to have a court date set and my lawyer is doing his best. What makes it rough is its workmans comp not just a injury lawsuit. Complicated and no money. Ill only get half of my lost income because the rest is going to the lawyer and for workmans comp there is no settlements. Fml
@@WillBilly.
Ask for damages? Talk to your lawyer about it. Your boss has to pay....and suffer.
With all the steam coming out of that machine wouldn't it be a perfect combination with one of these glorified dehumidifiers? I guess they would finally produce a decent amount of water, would they not?
Edit: Waterseer and Fontus were the names of the 'glorified dehumidifiers'
So would sucking water straight out of the air.
Surprised thats not a feature actually, wouldn't be that hard to do
i think there would be a lot of people who would drink the water if water recovery was a feature
By the way, I forgot the names of these 'glorified dehumidifiers'
Yes. I always use my Fontus right next to my Lomi and my Morus.
Holy shit, this video not only busted my confidence in a product I had wish listed, but it also boosted my confidence in Amazon reviews. Wowzers! Great Video👍
I've got a wormery and that cost me about £12 for 2 50L rectangle containers which i drilled a load of small holes in the bottom of the top containers for any excess moisture to drip through, then got a load of lob worms from my garden and it's the best plant food going.
I'm always delighted to see these kind of scams busted. I used to road-test different sorts of composters in my York Rotters days, and many of the devices and systems DID NOT WORK!
What did work the best? I'm brand new to composting. Do you have recommendations for a complete novice?
I just want to say thank you, scientifically debunking scams, false promises and 3D renderings alike with the almost constant 'threat' of legal action. true dedication!
Wouldn't it be a shame if "Lomi's" firmware partially matches Amazon Basic's bread maker?
0:10 Holy smokes 4.68 rating . Bots really do love snake oil tech .
When I see these snippets you have aptly chosen from the first dozen or so years of Simpsons episodes, my brain is finishing out dialogue before the characters themselves. I especially knew those inside and out in the early aught, since I could listen to the commentary on the episodes in addition to re-watching them on DVD countless times. Not where I used to be, but I still remember quite a bit, they're a nice treat. Thank you for taking me back to better times and places.
My eco friendly cousin got one of these,amid it broke after about a month of regular use she wanted to see if I could fix it in my spare time, this machine is 100 percent built to break the blade coupling is made out of aluminum and is very thin so the tabs bend and break and there is no fixing it unless u have a milling machine to mill a new one
And my first bread maker, a breville, lasted 20 years before it stopped working. Outstanding.
i havent seen any thunderfoot for a while, i dont know when it happened but congrats on over a million subs! saved a lot of people headaches
Pigs, chickens, and bunny rabbits do a pretty good job of turning your fruit and veggie waste into "compost" without all the electricity and stinky steam in your kitchen.
Using animals as natural tools isn't vegan enough for the nutjobs who buy inventions like Lumi.
Indeed and you get tasty eggs.
@@dogwalker666 And fertiliser for your plants.
You forgot air ...
I wish more people could get caught on so we can prevent millions of dollars being wasted on predatory companies like Pela
Like it said in the new Matrix movie - most people seem so damned *_eager_* to be lied to.
Yes!
I suspect those who buy such pointless 'gadgets' are not going to be those who don't have much money.
At least I would hope not.
@@stickiedmin6508 Or, as the old saying goes, _"it's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled."_
Grinding up and dehydrating food waste is NOT Composting.
Gives the term Hot Garbage a new meaning.
Literally.
Funny how despite there being a blender-like grinding apparatus inside the machine, those "melted" plastic cases showed no signs of being subjected to such. No scratches, no nicks, and they're not mixed in with the rest of the contents, Almost if they had been blowtorched and then carefully set on top, so they'd be the first thing the camera saw when the lid was opened.
I'm happy that this is the first time I heard of this product.
It's too bad community gardens aren't more common. If you seriously want to compost but lack the outdoor space to do it then IMHO that's the best way.
I called this right out of the gate when reddit exploded over this POS hinting it to TF.
I saved two of my friends from getting this shit and just gifted them some of my compost worms that are doing a better job on the same footprint in a cuboard, the Lomi would take up after its broken, using no power at all...PROPER composting.
Here is how to do compost for cheap: build a 1x1 meter square container from wood and some metal frame in the garden, with the worden boards slanted inwards with air gaps in between. Throw your compost on the pile. Once it's enough and composted after a few years, plant some pumpkins or use as fertilizer in the garden.
Notice how no Lomi is required for any of this.
To be fair, there are many tasks you can do without a given tool, but the tool makes it easier. That reason alone isn't enough to dismiss something. I'm not saying this product has any real use for the price though. It doesn't even do what it is supposed to do.
I am one of those odd people who still loves his bread maker in 2022. Some fresh sourdough toasted with a little butter on it is just unbelievable fo about the first 12 hours after making it.
Hahaha this is great. I absolutely love when these companies try to fight back because it just warrants busted part 2 and 3. Always a pleasure.
My sister and brother in law have been using a lomi for several months, so I’ll let you know when it kicks the bucket haha
Please send it to thunderfoot when the motor burns out in 3 months. :)
@@wobblyboost
Well, my family was a bit annoyed at me when I burst their bubble on this, so we’ll see if they cooperate LOL
It's so important to expose companies that try to get away with stuff like this. Keep fighting the good fight!
The fact that anybody would even think about buying something like this is just ridiculous.
To give some insight in the "bio" phone cases.
There are a lot of bio fibre plastics who are called "bio" but in reality they just have filler material in them to reduce the plastic amount.
These cases are probably 20-50% fibre and the rest is plain old, non decomposeing PP.
You see a lot of wood fibre- PP compounds
It would work with something like PLA and the fibre filling could help with the composing of the case but PLA is expensive, has shipping times of 1-6 Month and need special moulds.
Also, the claim of the cases to fully compose is absolutely wrong and could be a case for a lawsuit.
Light my Fire has a mess kit made of plastic with plant filler. They do not claim that it is compostable. Some retailers even include notes that it is not compostable in the product description. Some plastic is saved in production.
The down side is that plant filler makes the material less suitable for recycling.
@@maxlutz3674
Exactly, the company I work for is also using bio fibre filled material in combination with recycled plastic to even enhance the otherwise weaker plastic.
We recycle it in our own little cycle and can reuse more then 11 times to 100% without problems while the recycling PP alone would be a unusable soup in around 5-7.
Its all about what is claimed and if they are true.
And it makes me kinda angry to see them claiming such BS and not get punished for it.
I’d throw 50$ towards getting you one (Lomi by Pela) you saved me a shit ton of money from not buying one.
Great job! Great content!
May skepticism and critical thinking be with you always!
Cheers
I mean, just get a few chickens. The worst case scenario is that you spend the Lomi bucks on an overpriced coop and end up with eggs and meat.
@@literallyanything9811 have you been watching me??? 😂😂
My son and I built a chicken coop today!!
@@angel8fingers I wasn't aware. I used to have a half acre homestead. I will add your channel to my Feedbro. I wish you best of luck. Don't waste your money on automatic chicken coop doors. Just build your own with an ESP32 or Raspberry pi. Code is on the internet. I used sewage pipe feeders that I filled once a week with grain. Also, use a bucket , some lines and nipples to water them. I hated waking up early and letting them out and feeding them, etc. Automate as much as you can and you can leave them alone for days if it's not cold. (you know, visiting family etc) without asking a neighbor to look after them.
@@literallyanything9811 heck yeah man! Thanks for the advice!
The lomi skips the process of making shit for compost and you just get shit.
18:59 --- A labcoat with crisp, sharp creases that make obvious the fact that it was freshly removed from the wrapper. None of my labcoats look like that and haven't in years; AND I'M A THEORIST!
Some stains and acid burn holes, blue stains from ball pens on pockets... that's a proper lab coat.
They always have pen stains
This device must be one of the most out of touch things I have ever seen. This so much epitomizes people living in cities, who never seen nature first hand in their life.
Gotta love how it has a ring of death.
Isn’t there something that recently got put forward by the FTC, or some similar organization, that made predatory subscription services illegal? Like, you have to be able to cancel your “subscription” with no more steps than how you signed up for it?
And that was implemented to go after companies that would let you sign up for something with the click of a button, but then you had to call them directly (sitting on hold for hours or more) to cancel said “service”
I had a run in with something like that ages ago when I was younger and got curious about my family history, so I signed up for ancestry, I was able to fill all my information and sign up from their website no problem, and when I went to cancel before the end of the free trial, they made it impossible to sever that subscription without calling their support number.
They've talked about such rules for years, and where it's actually implemented it doesn't seem to be enforced.
@@charanth182 lovely /s
But unsurprising, I remember one of the other RUclips channels I follow who deal with law talking about it at one point a while back, unfortunate to see nothing legitimate has come of it
That is a corrupted federal agency that can easily be bribed.
My parents throw everything in a blender and dump it in the compost bin.
Between the chickens and rabbits I don't have anything to compost but I do have an awful lot of fertilizer for the gardens.
Should've called the video "Lomi: $400 breadmaker"
Just use a bokashi. They actually work. Sure, it's not composting, but fermenting. The product can be used in the garden as fertilizer, though, as the bokashi method makes your scraps biodegrade faster. And the "tea" you drain from it is magic fluid for plants! :D A bonus is that it doesn't use electricity, either. You can make one from a pair of buckets.
Agreed. If you really want to get buck-wild, run a small vermicompost bin under the sink.
Just looked that up - thanks for the tip.