@@robbieaussievic I thought that it looked more like hostages being forced to make a video: "...our captors are treating us well. Please pay the ransom. They're caring for us so well we can't stand it and want to go home!"
Nah they’re just a super dorky shy introverted bunch of virgin dorks. Literally anything they could do they would still be looking awkward and under duress
Pro Tip: Get some guinea pigs, name them Lomi and Buster, and they will actually turn your carrot strunks and salad leaves into little "compost" nuggets in less than 24 hours
It's like none of those engineers and designers thought about if the product actually made a different on the carbon footprint at all. Using energy to hasten the same process that happens with all food waste anyways is a waste, not a save lol
Revolutionary new idea, the reverse AC! mount an AC unit the opposite way during summer, and you can cool down your garden when you're outside! I'll call this product the XBreeze 9000 and it'll have a sleek design and look super futuristic
Several equipment vendors claim to be able to create compost in a day. But based on everything we know about microbiology, the microorganisms just don’t work that fast. While Lomi demonstrates that it is possible to create a plastic bin that uses vast amount of heat energy to dehydrate food waste in a short period of time, this is not a composting process and the end product is not "compost". It's merely dehydrated bits of food waste.
As a professional civil and sanitary engineer of just over 30 years, I was involved in a number of composting projects on the east and west coasts of the US back in the 1990s. We tried static piles, windrows, forced air, and even containerized composting techniques. In our case, we tried to use a reasonable mix of yard wastes (grass trimmings, branches, etc.), municipal solid waste (stuff you'd normally throw away in your house), and biosolids (human fecal matter) collected from nearby wastewater treatment plants. The goal was always to try to find the proper carbon-to-nitrogen ratio - typically somewhere between 5 and 10 to 1. Invariably, the reasons these facilities were ultimately shut down were three-fold: (1) The cost of capturing and treating the off-gases was extremely expensive, (2) If uncaptured and untreated, the off-gases from these facilities would create the most god-awful smells for miles and miles downwind, and (3) The leachate (wastewater) produced from these compost facilities was extremely foul, quite acidic, and would simply destroy the biological activity in the downstream wastewater treatment plant receiving this runoff. There is this old saying: The solution to pollution is dilution. And, while that saying may be offensive to some, the concept of composting, which concentrates pollutants rather than diluting them, proves the statement to be true. If you want to read about one of the few facilities on the east coast of the US to actually survive the pilot testing stage by reverting back to composting only yard trimmings, have a look here: www.montgomerycountymd.gov/sws/facilities/cf/#:~:text=Montgomery%20County%20operates%20the%20facility,Maryland%20Environmental%20Service%20(MES).&text=The%20composting%20program%20in%20Montgomery,one%2Dthird%20of%20the%20county. On the west coast of the US, a similar pilot test was conducted near Escondido, California, but that facility failed miserably. Today, Escondido simply offers a homeowner instructions on how to pile up trash in their yard and compost it "naturally." See www.escondido.org/composting.aspx
Great comment and thank you for sharing your expertise. I would like to have your opinion on the concept of this product: I live in Montreal, our energy comes mainly from hydroelectricity, so the emission of this type of machine will be negligible. We already have organic waste collection programs. I have the impression that with a machine, a less restrictive model, we could reduce the frequency of organic matter collectors and thus reduce our GHG emissions (in the hypothetical situation that a majority of the population would have the machine in question). Do you think that dehydrated materials would be detrimental to the system you were referring to?
That's really interesting! I'm working with a compost company locally but we've focused on anaerobic composting of mostly food waste. Our containers for the clients have rubber seals and we provide a germinating mix to sprinkle on top each time food is added. The bins generally don't get too bad, it's more of a fermenting smell rather than a rotting one. At our facility we then mix it with mulch and compostables, stack it in windrows, and cover with tarps. The smell really isn't bad.
Strange because in Poland and whole EU bio waste is processed in every little and big city. They will start building bio gas plant in my city soon which will produce fertilizer and biogas which will be pumped into the network. We already have waste burning plant which produce heat and electricity for the city.
@@philipperodier8414 Good question, sir. The short answer to your question is almost certainly, yes. The various composting techniques I pilot-tested targeted somewhere between 40% and 60% water, by weight. Though the water, expressed as runoff from the process, is rancid, it's necessary provide a medium for the growth of both heterogenous and autogenous bacteria needed to expedite the digestion (carbon-reducing) processes. For all but the forced air systems, which promoted only the growth of aerobic bacteria, the nitrogen was needed to support the growth of anaerobic bacteria deeper in the static and windrowed piles. To summarize, these processes would not succeed in a dehydrated substrate. Hope this helps.
@@matthewluttrell9413 If the food source for your anaerobic biology is mostly kitchen wastes, then I follow your process. The troubles come when those food wastes are mixed with other largely inert materials, or greenwood, which contains a carbon source, but also adds a lot of non-carbon fiber. Yard wastes are also very low in free nitrogen, which inhibits anaerobic activity. Have you conducted a survey of the surrounding community near your composting site to see if your neighbors agree with your conclusion that "the smell really isn't that bad?" That's what MCRCF did when they first got started and they learned right quick that their neighbors would have none of it. I ask because we experimented with composting at the Blue Plains WWTP in Wash DC some years ago. Those who were working the windrows didn't seem to mind the odor, but the poor souls across the Potomac River who were in Alexandria were quietly complaining to their elected officials. DC Water was eventually required to shut the whole thing down and, as it turned out, the workers had simply become olfactory desensitized to the ammonia smell (the biosolids being used were lime-stabilized and the anaerobic activity in the windrows was converting the slaked lime to ammonia).
Now, as someone who worked on a farm, I can tell you, making fertilizer not as easy as throwing some kitchen scraps into a magic device and then 24h later you have perfect, nice, ganular fertilizer, it can take months if not years to break down any acids that you might not want. Next issue is: ACID you need to make sure makeup and composition is good so you end up with something with a relatively neutral PH and not something overly acidic or basic which will just kill your plants.
there was a point 16:50 a streamer asked their tech service what to do with the now ground up garbage and I kind you not he said. 1. green bin it 2. home compost bin it 3. throw it in the garbage. ahahahahaha.
@@IloveJellow True, at that point, I'm just going to either compost it or throw it away. But I don't trust their claim with biodegradable plastic since a lot of industrial compostation plants don't even wanna deal with it because its so hard to keep balance in the composters for it.
@@AstralJaeger other funny part is the device cooks the water content drying it out and reducing its oxygen which is whats needed for the bacteria to eat it and ends up producing more methane without it. There is also still the issue with microplastic which contaminates most of our drinking water and still does not degrade as fast as normally created plastic if only marginally different. It only works if exposed to enough oxygen to allow it to break down at quicker pace but even then you are looking to about 20 years of leaving it to nature and it takes longer if not in those conditions.
@@AstralJaeger The problem with most bio-plastics here in the EU: The industry is used to a lets say 3 weeks long cycle for their composting, and those bio-plastics take longer then that. This results in good compost, mixed with lots of small ~half composted bio-plastic snippets. Aka they can sell that compost, but at a way smaller profit. Bio-plastics are best used for stuff that gets littered a lot. A forest or ocean won't mind a 3 month compost time compared to litter made from traditional plastic. But even that has it's problems. Because not every bio-plastic actually composts properly, some just turn into "good" old microplastic within weeks or months.
@@peterpan4038 Wasn't aware the half composted bio plastic snippets was such a big issue, not a subject matter I run into a lot in my daily life. Honestly can't say it surprises me at all though since the composting industry was developed with normal food and gardening waste in mind, to add in plastic that needs at the very least more time and probably a more complex process too is going to be a disaster. If those are actually compostable I wonder if it'd be feasible to either sort remove them automatically either before composting or at the end of the process and then when enough has been collected process it properly as needed or at least remove it from the product. It might work pretty well with a more controlled waste flow, I'm thinking about degradeable cups and such at an office for example. But then you've got the challenge of training the employees to only put the right plastic into that flow and break their "all plastic is plastic" mindset. I worked at a place where my employer had a contract to recycle polystyrene in this way as supposedly sorted waste from the disposable cups. The company they had a contract with ending up rejecting our disposed cups because too many people did things like throwing them away with tea bags and other stuff in the cups as they threw them away. In the biodegradeable plastic scenario at least that extra teabag shouldn't be a problem but other plastic waste certainly would be.
We had something that actually worked way back in the sixties, we called it a “COMPOST BIN” it was at the back of the yard, used no energy, held large amounts of food waste and vegetation trimmings. Worked flawlessly for years and cost virtually nothing.
We had a fancy compost recepticle in my childhood kitchen that locked the door out but kept the nutrients in. It was called a "empty dishwasher powder bucket with lid". It worked great and was actually free.
Ah yes, I made a three bin model out of discarded pallet wood. You would place fresh material into the first " bin" use a broad fork and turn it to introduce air into the pile, then fork it into the second "bin" and after a month or so, fork it into the third bin ready for use! It is all a balance of carbon, things like coffee grounds and dry leaves, and nitrogen, wet green material like grass clippings food and garden waste and earth. INE key to rapid composting is moisture and heat generated by decomposition. A properly maintained compost pile *Does NOT Smell!!*
my middle school teacher introduced this revolutionary idea to us during the school year, add some indigenous fungi, worms and sun and it did wonders (its been a bit, might have missed some steps lol)
The most hilarious part of this is that the Lomi saves exactly zero carbon vs the green bin. The compost collecting truck will be arriving at you house weather you have one or not.
If it's powered by anything except elbow grease... It's leaving a carbon footprint. How do ppl not know this by now? Batteries, electricity, gas, diesel, propane... ANY FUEL... It all leaves a footprint ppl. It IS hilarious.
@@--RSL-- Even elbow grease leaves a carbon footprint, since we essentially burn carbohydrates and hydrocarbons to do work, and output CO2 as a waste product.
@@agnes8679 At the end of the day, the decomposition process of biodegradables in your garbage release the same net carbon regardless of where they decompose. It's no more harmful to the planet to throw biodegradable waste in the trash than it is to throw it in a compost pile. The compost pile simply gives the user a way to benefit from the decomposition, using the leftover organic matter to grow plants. But that same organic matter would enrich the soil used to cover it in the landfill as well, so it's not as if it's being "wasted". TL;DR - just throw the stuff away. As long as you're not tossing plastic and recyclables, it'll all become dirt eventually.
Hello. As an actual engineer for material science I always cringe when those scam groups say they have material scientists working on the topic. It is like hearing your brother was found in a hotel room with a goat. The shame.
@@TheDiveO Get it right, it's "All hail the whitepaper" - reading is for nerds, these people ain't nerds, they're cool and hip. Cool people just "believe" stuff blindly without thinking.
@@pearz420 you should look at square footage by state. Alabama has the biggest homes. California is ranked. high. But most of the top 20 are red states. Similar to how red states receive the most disproportionate federal assistance relative to what they put in. Texas being the only red state pulling it's weight
The blender I make margaritas with barely cost 1/10 of what this thing does. But this only blends leftover food... Wait! I see the point! Its a money separating machine. Clever Design!
I've been meaning to make one of those... but I like being able to sleep at night and looking in the mirror without hating myself. Guess I need to make a morals suppressing machine first.
No, you'd need a blender, AND a fruit-dryer (or heater/dehumidifyer). A blender by itself would defeat the whole purpose. It's a de-icky-fying machine. Functionally useless, but people find WET ground-up food-sludge (like a blender produces) far more icky, than DRY ground-up food-sludge. Properly marketed, it may even sell- That kind of gut-level disgust response we all get in reaction to wet garbage, is exactly the kind of reptile-brain emotional response that, if skillfully exploited, is one of the biggest driving forces of the economy.
The fact I got a Lomi ad during this is priceless. Thanks for making this man, I was considering getting one because I have a septic tank and no disposal in my sink, but this was what I needed to see!
Dave, you're in the wrong line of work... Think of how much you could make by using your technical knowledge, all you'd have to do is make some catchy-sounding Star Trekkian phrases (using our patented Quantum Monostable Multivibrator technology...), slap together a slickly-edited video with stock images, run a flexible-funding Kickscammer campaign from a fake Email account, PROFIT. It would be SO EASY if people like you and I lacked scruples... I mean, if Elizabeth Holmes can do it, anyone can do it... lol
@@dashcamandy2242 - kick-starter campaign number one; raise money to purchase computing gear and CGI software, replace the wardrobe with high-necked, black tops, purchase bucket loads of blonde hair dye and truck loads of cigarettes to enhance that 'natural sounding' deep voice.
The scam causes peoples money to jump out of their pockets. Man, sometimes I wish I didn't have this level of self respect. It'd be so easy to scam these stupid fucks.
I imagine there was some carbon savings if this heavy food waste isn't being transported to a landfill. My composter cost $10, is the size of a trashcan and is outside using zero input energy. (and also, you know, makes real compost).
My composter cost nothing, is made from an old plastic barrel with a filling door cut into its side. This is mounted in a stand made of scrap wood planks lying around in the workshop and a old water pipe to make the barrel rotating. Its a home made drum composter.
I went to an engineering school (that I won't name), for which there was a required course "Technical Communications" which consisted of a research project that you had to research, document, find solutions for, and pitch the best solution in a presentation as your final grade. The idea was to pick a topic that would make the campus "greener", and if the project resulted in something viable, the campus would actually consider implementing your project. Essentially what happened was our grade was literally based on how viable we could make this research project sound to the campus directors, so of course that resulted in a lot of bias, a lot of bullshit. Ever after that course, I now understand how products like this come to exist... Oh, I bring this up because the group that I was in picked composting cafeteria food scraps in large vats. Our "plan" involved paying students to get in and shovel the shit back out of the vat, etc. We carefully glossed over the smell, death of students, any sort of practicality, etc. Too bad we couldn't just pick something reasonable, like replacing all the lighting with LED. (That was forbidden as a topic because it was too easy to research and show the benefits thereof with back of the envelope calculations). I wonder just how many scam projects out there were born of something like that course I experienced -- taken too far and actually put in front of investors...
@@praisethesun3089 working with wastes its often seen as a biohazard related jobs with all the shit (figuratively and literally) u have to deal with everyday, downside u might smell like shit, die sooner with all those small particles u sniff every day, upside? U got a bonus for such jobs
an electric composter just really sums up why we're at the place that we are. i can make a pile of banana skins in a bin/yard and make compost naturally, or i can heat up a pile of banana skins in a bin and use a finite supply of dinosaur juice to do it in a day, AND i get to feel smug about doing something AND do it with minimal effort.
@@jonathantan2469 solar panels are pretty usefull and the uprfont cost is high but it is cheaper and dose actually reduce co2 however nuclear imo is just better overall.
Except you are not composting it in a day. Just dehydrating and blending the waste so that it needs to be hydrated later so that it can then compost naturally in roughly the same time span anyway. The smug factor is the real deal though.
If you have a place to make a pile. On the other hand, if you don't, I don't see a point of making compost anyway - your plants' pots would be overflowing within few months.
Perhaps they could make it squeeze the juice out of the food, speeding the drying process while providing a delicious healthy drink for the smart investor. Call it Juicero II.
I'm not gonna check this but my gut feeling says that squeezing the water out with a hydrolic press may actually be more energy efficient than boiling it off, lol.
I actually managed to cut down on nearly all food waste around the house. It's called Cleo and my kids actually love it. On top of that, it also works as a burglar alarm. As a bonus feature, it helps me lead an active lifestyle. It's a medium sized dog.
It's hilarious that RUclips is choosing to show Lomi advertisements during this BUSTED video. So Lomi is helping to pay Thunderfoot to bust their scam. There is some justice in the universe.
Ugh that whole spiel about "Lomi approved" stuff just brings back painful memories of my inkjet printer refusing to work becuase "you don't have original HP" or "genuine Brother cartidges" Having grown up on the complete scam that is disposable products that require "approved" consumables, it doesn't take me much effort to recognize this product as the devious money grubbing scam it is.
Printer cartridge scams are hilarious. They include a box to ship the cartridge back postage paid! How nice of them. Im pretty sure they just refill the cartridge and "refurbish" it (press a reset button? 😅) amd back to tonthe store it goes for $60. And of.course they have to guilt trip you into doing this for them by saying you'll destroy the planet if you don't send your cartridge back. People are so stupid and gullible, I almost can't be mad at the people who made up and profit from these scams.
@@der94alex yes I heard about that 😅 I bought an older brother printed discontinued back in 2005, with an earlier version of the scam. Back then the shined a light through the cartridge to indicate if it was empty. I just used some paint to cover that hole, and got a significant amount of printing done after the cartridge was 'empty" and the printer had refused to work.
Yeah, I kept thinking, what are these people eating, that they have so much to toss out? Is this going to feed their houseplants? It's still not plant food when it's "done". It's just ground and dried material that you could make soup out of.
Minor correction at around 3:00 This dessicated waste would produce less methane than going to landfill. Landfill's methane intensity is caused by anaerobic processes which are due to the lack of O2 available to the bulk of the buried waste material. However, if you're placing your waste in a garden bed, then it will have much higher access to O2 and decompose into CO2 instead of CH4. |This is not an endorsement of Lomi.
I guess it depends how thinly you spread it - chopping it up so that it packs more densely would increase the proportion of the pile that is anaerobic.
@@SorenCicchini probably not the case. Soil can actually transport a fair amount of air through it. That's why the ground doesn't expand and contract much when it rains: air is displaced for water. And this dessicated waste seems to come out looking a lot like a coarse grained soil.
@@JohnSmith-te5oo cadaver dogs are detecting the products of anaerobic decomposition. Gases make their way to the surface through the soil pores but that doesn't mean air is flowing through the soil.
I built a "traditional" composter in my garden using a few old pallets. It works like a charm and set me back maybe 10 Dollars, plus my time. When I lived in an apartment, I had one of those worm-composting bins, which also worked remarkably well. People try to reinvent wheel.....
Yes, i was thinking the same, the worm composting actually produces compost not dry pieces of food. If one is really thinking about the environment then the worm bin is the best option available for city dwellers.
Correction: People try to sell the nu-wheel. Can't sell the old wheel because it's too simple. Also, your startup company NEEDS to develop a "tech" product regardless which problem you are supposedly trying to solve. Because "tech" companies automatically get much higher valuations. Just make sure that your nu-wheel connects to a phone app for some reason. Also ensure that your nu-wheel is styled like an apple product. Because that's what "tech" looks like. And while you're at it, make the nu-wheel square. Wouldn't want anyone to think you've just trying to sell a regular old wheel with some bells and whistles attached. The nu-wheel needs to be "innovative", and roll in a completely different way than any previous wheel. Now all you need is an expensive marketing campaign and you should be swimming in investor cash. Be sure to pay yourself handsomely for your own hard work. Wouldn't want to be left empty handed when the company inevitably goes belly up a few years later.
Wait, didn't they invent the effective version of this decades ago? It's called a garbage disposal. Solid municipal waste is often turned into fertilizer, or used to generate electricity, though some is just dumped in landfills.
Because people are fucking idiots… you would not believe how many people think garbage disposals are bad for the environment, and that they are designed for minuscule amounts of food scraps only. It doesn’t help that garbage disposal manufactures are making the units worse and worse. I’m a weirdo and collect disposals, after 1980 the only innovation was cost cutting.
"just dumped in landfills" sums up the "green energy" propaganda they've sold you. landfills use the methane to power homes. every day landfills are get this... filled in. they look like pristine parks producing free energy. one in Cali produces enough methane to power 50,000+ homes.
I live in an apartment. We have a common garbage room. There are paper bags that are available for free in the garbage room. Thease paper bags are for compost and are meant to be dropped in a special garbage can when filled. Problem solved.
What do you think a landfill is? I know of a couple of former landfills that have become overgrown with forest and bush. One in my municipality was turned in to a ski slope
@@grejsancoprative A problem with modern landfills are toxic materials polluting the groundwater. In ancient times this was more rarely a problem but there was dangerous compounds even then.
This is the highest quality scientific based comedy show on RUclips. As a 9th grade educated person, I really appreciate how you simply destroy these charlatans using usually grade school level science. I've followed you for years. Please continue the wonderful content. Kudos to your editing/ production team.
Here in Australia, we also have a green bin which you throw all of your food & garden waste in which is collected weekly and sent to a specialised composting facility. Works pretty damn well.
I mean, sure you do, but just imagine how much better you'd feel after you spend a bunch of money and electricity to take that compostable stuff and turn it into other compostable stuff that's a bit less smelly.
in italy is collected twice a week, during spring summer and fall, onece a week they collect the result of gardenig work (leafs, cutted brach trees, dead plants, etc etc)
Just composting food waste is no environmental benefit, it still decomposes and emits CO2, except for now when it is put in an oxygen restricted digester also emits Methane.
Most of it goes straight to the landfill anyhow btw. Where garden/food waste goes isn't as important as other types of waste though so it doesn't matter. Mostly it depends on if they can make a profit off your waste still as it's cheaper to just landfill it, projected pricing and current fill status matters to the companies doing it.
This reminds me of an expo thing I was at where someone was showing off a water purification system for 3rd world and disaster zones that relied on a generator. Right next door to that booth was a filtration system that passed the water through various grades of sand and grit that only needed boiling or something like iodine to kill off bugs. The bloke promoting the generator option couldn't grasp that fuelling a machine would be incredibly expensive. Best home composter is that pile of slowly rotting plant matter in the corner of the garden that also kicks out enough heat to keep the hedgehogs happy in winter. Worm farms are another good option for the veg in compost out powerless hands free operation. It's not a glorified pedal bin that saves you leaving the kitchen. Why in the world does someone need an app to run something like this either.
the generator guy doesn't comprehend that most people in the world still live in places where they have to burn candles at night in order to see if there are tigers or snakes on the way to the latrine.
Yeah, I'm sure the generator guy also doesn't understand what it's like to get fuel when you're in the middle of sub-Saharan Africa where you're about 600 MILES out of cell phone range. "Getting a new cable is easy, just run on down to your neighborhood 7-Eleven!"
Some people have such a privileged life they they can't even comprehend basic tools without electricity. And yes, everything needs an app these days. It's insane
Yeah if you run water through gravel then sand and finnal charcoal dust you basically got fresh water. It get out most mico organisms. This is one thing i was taught endlessly by every survival class and survival group i ve joined
2 years ago i talked my boss into letting me process the 100's of yards of lawn and landscape waste we bring in per year into screened topsoil instead of paying to have it removed and dumped in a hole somewhere. I had to do quite a bit of research on composting and soil composition to be sure i wasn't just wasting time and money. Having first hand experience with the process made the idea of the lomi or anything similar especially absurd and hilarious.
@@ollietizzard5180 Yes, absolutely. It was costing about 6$ per yard to remove. It takes 1-2 years to compost. The process of blending and screening is very simple. The screener was 10k and processes around 15 yards per hour depending on moisture. we already have loaders to move and turn it. the final product is worth 20$ per yard. I only put in a few hours a week working on it. Overall it turned a 2-3k yearly expense into a 7-10k profit. The thing that makes the lomi so laughable is that giving the compost the proper time to break down is necessary or it'll just kill plants. it also requires lots of air and water for it to break down so the idea of intentionally drying it is silly. Lastly, it obviously smells terrible. the area down wind of our piles is all farm field. if we were near any residential areas i would fully expect to be shut down.
Since 2005 it is illegal in Sweden to throw organic material on a garbage dump and since 1994 the amount of garbage sent to garbage dumps has been reduced by 94% thanks to incineration and recycling. The little paper bags we are throwing our food waste in are kept dry simply by the fact that the "bin" they sit in is very open so that all sides can breathe and because we are not throwing away huge amounts at a time. Dry food waste doesn't smell. It is very easy to be environmentally friendly when the infrastructure for it is set up.
Sweden incinerates about 50% of their trash to fuel gas and coal plants, which unleashes huge amounts of CO2 . It's not as environmentally sound as the OP suggests.
@@R3WIRED Power from incineration is carbon negative though, since it produces a lot less emissions than ordinary landfilling. So it is quite a good system in that respect.
Yup. We even import garbage to burn. We turn this into electricity and yet we get scammed with enormous electricity bills. Politicians in Sweden have zero shame and should all be in jail. Every single one of them.
"Hmm, I wonder how we can reduce waste", the fat man says, his AC on the maximum setting. As he leaves the room pondering the question, he leaves the TV and lights on, as he doesn't want to have to turn them back on when he re-enters. He enters the laundry, his daily washing successful after a full extended rinse cycle. As he places his now clean clothes into the drier (his clothes line having not been used in months because it's too hot outside), he decides that maybe he should buy a Lomi, as he feels there's no other way he can possibly lessen his footprint.
world leaders and hollywood actors be like: >attends climate change conference >"the planet is dying, this is why you need to eat bugs and live in a pod" >flies back on a private jet
I LOVE how thunderfoot goes after anything unscientific, that is claming to be scientific, regardless of the politics of it. We need more Thunderfoots in the world.
Eh, sometimes. But I do hope the focus stays on the science. People like thunder foot are unscientific outside the lab. I don’t need to hear their abhorrent ethics and political theories. They’re abysmall
Also, I asked myself for WHAT these city-environmental-woke-people (no offense) do need all that compost for??? (Ball park number: around 200-400 kg per person and year !!!) Obviously not to grow something, because then they would have seen a real passive compost-bin, or how growing plants work, basic agriculture knowledge, etc. ... Maybe this "compost"-pre-product ends in the garbage bin anyway? :/ And like Jonathan says: You can't just bury that fresh plant material into the ground. Nitrogen is an artificial problem against the mold, fungi, pests and other diseases that you invite into your garden with such behavior(1). Put that raw mulch into a composting bin, RTFM and be happy with that passive, non energy costing thingy:) (1) "Dehydrated Material" ... is a waste of energy and part of the scam. What do people think happens, when you put dehydrated stuff in your hopefully well hydrated garden soil?! :))) At 12:27 the real working solution, black composting-bin plus child-work and daddy (which they present as bad), instead of the Sci-Fi-BS.
One thing to point out regarding "bioplastics": In many places it's illegal to throw the stuff out with compostables. As the "biodegradability" is only theoretical, and doesn't hold up in reality. Edit: the above is misleading. Please allow me to correct this. A "bioplastic", or rather "biobased polymer", is made from biomass. But is not necessarily bio degradable. And a biodegradable plastic can be bio based, but can just as well be made from petroleum. As this distinction is important when debating this subject. And the terminology can be confusing. It's strongly encouraged to not use the term "bioplastic", but rather "biobased polymer".
Biodegradability is not only theoretical. The plastic is made of compounts like (poly)lactic acid that most bacteria or fungi break down easily using native enzyms that are part of their heterofermentative pathway.
@@azkiin601 Yeah, it is biodegradeble indeed, but it's not that fast as normal compost. It's prohibited to place these bag into compostable waste in my country by the way.
@@remetremet They were never allowed here either, but thanks to a stupid "all bags must be recyclable" law a few years ago they killed those bags here as they are not recyclable... Also plastic bags while recyclable are not accepted in our bins either. I would gladly have accepted biodegradable bags that take 2 years vs ones that could take a few hundred.
As you correctly point out, this whole scam routine for “new world-changing” products is completely formulaic and you can tell that whoever is behind it all has studied the pitch down to the finest detail. Once you know the template you can spot them a mile away.
@@michaelwhitaker4372 You forgot to mention "fast"... I agree that the goal is quick money, get a hook into the wallet, and address concerns as they come up. Look green, but people won't verify. Hire the best lawyers and marketing available. Did I mention lawyers and marketing? Maybe double that ;-)
Funny how they cut up perfectly edible food and put it in that glorified trash can. Definitely reducing the carbon footprint! They never think that just buying and preparing what you will fully consume. Would help much more than anything else.
probably because they want to advertise this to gullible people who think they're saving the planet by using a high energy consumption "composter" when in reality they could've done better by just finishing the plate, like most parents used to say it still infuriates me watching clips of people either so privileged or stupid (possibly both) just throw away *barely touched food* and use the composter defense when argued
It is kinda sad how those scammers rip off people with their "inventions" while actual engineers who work on solutions to actual problems don't get a fraction of that because they are spending their time improving real things instead of making fairytale scammer videos.
Took me only 5 min looking this thing over in my kitchen to know thunderfoot was going to have a field day with this. The very next day you post this video. Called it!
its everywhere not just on kick starter like sites. I have seen the same 100 or so memes from the 2000s make their cycles on 4chan to reddit to youtube to tiktok back to youtube. People for whatever reason always think they are the first to something.
Get a dog, they will compost just about anything you leave on the floor. It will deposit fertilizer in convenient pre-measured pellets, depending on the model.
I've run a commercial compost worm farm for a decade and have seen tons of stuff like this over the years. It can honestly be pretty frustrating trying to explain basic composting to people. What I've seen talking to customers over the years is that environmentalism is a religion to a lot of people. Not saying we shouldn't take better care of the environment but we should look at solutions rationally and not make decisions based upon feels. There is lots of money to be made in products which help the environment but this draws scammers. Worm farmers solved the problem of what to do with household organic waste but it has never really taken hold as it involves a small amount of work and most people are divorced from the grime of our natural environment.
Environmentalism is absolutely a religion. If it weren't, if people honestly cared about the environment rather than just being seen to care, they would research the actual effect of the tech they buy. Instead, we have to 'debunk' everything after the fact, after millions or billions have already been made. Hell, the entire "green" industry wouldn't exist if people were not credulous idiots about wanting to be one of the "good guys" all the fucking time. Give people an easy solution to a hard problem and tell them they're a good person for buying it, richest man in history no problem!
@@Squidbush8563 I'm convinced that most of my business is either selling things for people to virtue signal with or things for them to play the look at me game. I HAD intended to provide environmentally helpful products with value at a good price. But in the end the market determines a lot of what you do.
I was under the impression this thingy was meant for apartment dwellers who don’t have room for compost piles but your comment has the answer to this lomi thing built right in- Worm farms are probably the better solution for indoor compost since worms can be kept indoors, but they require maintenance like a pet so it’s a bit harder. But yeah the “green” world is awash with scammers, and more products you can buy aren’t necessarily the solution
19:57 I can't stop laughing: it's like a cooking show for kitchen waste gourmets. She even prepared the half of the waste beforehand. So, he can slice brand new packaging and perfectly place the pieces in the device. 🤣
I've done a lot of composting over the years, and one of the first things that jumps out at me about this process is that you do *not* want to dehydrate the waste. The water content is crucial for getting the decomposition going. Why not just take it to the next step, and incinerate all this waste? At least then, you'd have a very small volume of ash to dispose. I do have to admit though, we generally kept the compost piles *outside*, in a corner of the yard.
no no no. thats not how things should be done. it makes to much sense. and doing what makes sense is not what you should be doing at all you should be just throwing your money at these companys since that doesn't make sense and if it doesn't make sense your doing it right.
Right? That was the first thing that made me go "say what?!" as well. Why would you dehydrate... you need the moisture and fungus and all the fun stuff for the composting process :s
They’re not actually doing anything remotely similar to composting…they are blatantly lying…it’s just chopped dried food waste that was very energy intensive to produce 😯
My mom had a compost basket in the kitchen and every night she'd empty it in the compost bin out back. Then she'd use it in the garden after a process of transferring the stuff from the bottom and middle into a separate bin.. The eventually decompose into a packed bunch of rotten food. My parents were vegetarian so we only used plant based scraps, egg shells, biodegradable coffee filters, tea bags, etc... I don't understand how hard this is.
We have something like that at the end of the garden. A large pile of compost and just throw on the green waste and leftover food (if the hens don’t eat it). Best of all, it runs on free solar energy and gets the water it needs from free rainwater. Then every two or three years you spread the whole mud on the farmland with a spade. And meanwhile, the compost is also very nature-friendly insect hotel and worms like it too! Oh... Wait... You mean Lomi can't compost the grass and green waste cut in the garden? Are you serious? Wait, I'll laugh even harder. Composting is smelly, muddy, and there will always be liquids with unpleasant odors and textures in it. The end result will never be a handful of crumbly, dry powder.
We just get the pigs and hens and feed them the food we don’t eat or has gone bad, and if they don’t eat that, it just goes back into the soil. Nature has already solved this problem with their cycles.
" The end result will never be a handful of crumbly, dry powder." Sift it when you're done and let it dry in the sun, and you'll have a crumbly dry powder. Not that you need a crumbly dry powder--it's going to be damp in the garden, and plants don't mind a few chunks.
@@Cheepchipsable Composting worms can do the job for apartment dwellers. No, they don't smell if you do it right. Yes, they will fit into the tiniest kitchen.
@@emrebennett2857 I am not sure you are serious, but if so I suppose your confusion comes from the fact that they will eat insects they find on the ground and they eat grass, but they pretty much eat everything including fruit, vegetables, bread, noodles, potatoes and even meat. It is a plot point in "The Social Network" that the co-founder feeds chicken to a chicken.
As a trained Soil and Composting Technician, with my own micro-bio assay lab, I whole heartedly agree. The heat of desiccation will eradicate all of the, very desirable, biome of the food waste. This thing is a ridiculous joke, conceived to extract wealth from fools.
как тренированный специалист по ремонту бытовой техники, я тоже частично согласен. Проблема в том, что люди склонные к сверхпотреблению хотят покупать всякие дорогостоящие отбросы под ЛОЖНЫМ ПРЕДЛОГОМ. Это выгодно производителям дорогостоящего мусора. И чтобы ложные предлоги не вызывали у сверхпотребителей излишней рефлексии, производителю мусора выгодно чтобы потребитель был глуп, тщеславен, необразован и не развит всесторонне. Что? анус подгорает? Если да, то у меня плохие новости. Потому что это текст-детектор. ахах
Would that make a difference once added to garden soil? It still contains nutrients that can act as a fertilizer. It basically looks like the potting soil or coco coir.
@Fluffy Maximus you are pretty rude. Also if the end product is eco friendly, it doesn’t really matter if it’s not nutritious for house plants, I think that’s an after thought
Hey Thunderf00t, do you have any way of maybe scientifically reviewing and debunking Lomi? AnimalLogic (a science channel) just picked them up as a partner, and I am absolutely ticked off. I bought a Lomi a year ago and within 3 months threw it into the storage shed and finally gifted it to someone else who said they could use it. The thing didn't work at all as advertised, and I feel the energy consumption they listed on their website is a BOLD faced lie. 0.6-1.0 kWh? Especially since I had to run the thing on 2-3 cycles before seeing results I'd use in a planter or my yard.
I absolutely love these BUSTED! videos. They have so many awesome movie clips to tie the whole feeling together perfectly - Thank you so much for making these. I agree 100% with the narrative.
Also desiccating food waste will pretty certainly slow the composting process. The waste needs to be broken down by microorganisms, grinding it to smaller parts will help, but dehydrating just makes everything take longer, organisms need water to thrive, and that includes micro-flora.
the issue is people don't understand these things they only follow what they are told by people who seem smart but are only smart enough to take their money and thats it. Its a sad world that people think they are doing a good thing and still don't realize that everything they are still doing is no better than the latter.
Dehydrating makes it look like plant food to fool gullible customers, while in reality, it makes it animal food. As you pointed out, plants won't be able to get any minerals out of this "compost" until it is rehydrated and broken down by bacteria/fungi.
First they heat everything to kill any microbacteria in it. Then they dry it making it harder for the microbacteria to spread and access the nutrients and also it will take time until the moisture gets everywhere. It's just bad idea from start to finish. Better idea if you really want to grind leftovers up: just put everything into a large blender with little bit of water and churn it up a little and THEN put it into a regular outdoor compost. That's it.
Also, since they seem to market it as something you can put ALL your food waste in, people probably end up with lots of salt or other potentially harmful substances in the powder which might kill houseplants if "fertilized" with that stuff like shown in the video.
idk if you mentioned it in the video but biodegradable plastic (polylactic acid) requires an enzyme to break down normally. I just felt the need to chime in because I saw them throwing biodegradable utensils in the 'composter.'
Wouldn't the regular worms in your soil do the job, too? I know I can't put a pot down on the ground without swarms of earthworms descending on it in a week, especially in the fall when there's plenty of leaf litter about.
What people pay to not have to walk to the green bin is insane, but the fact it consumes so much electricity is an atrocity products like these should be banned, the scammer put into jail, and the people that paid money re-funded (and obviously, their product destroyed)
@@95TurboSol well yes. but I guess they have to do it less frequently? Ideally, not at all, if they can use it for their plants and garden, but I guess they dont!
Complicated problem, those people are "adults" where would you draw the line? Can apple still exist? Reminder: They sell 4 rolls for your computer for over 800$. I propose an "adult" card. You get one for free when you turn 18. You can return it to get your debts wiped but then you have to live with foster parents until you earn it back. If you don't have an adult card you re legally a toddler. You can't make big purchases, drive a car etc.
I am SO old that I remember when they banned recycled paper bags for the latest and greatest invention..... the plastic bag! I have also watched them eliminate refundable glass bottles for the "better for the environment" plastic alternative. I study history - 50 years before that, they destroyed a forest for Rockefeller train tracks and oil tanks. I don't think people are as much of a problem as the companies that produce USELESS crap for them to purchase. Bustin makes you fell good :)
I mean plastic bags and bottles would be really awesome if people actually reused them. They can easily be more durable than paper bags or cups, but people just use them and throw them away. So I think that paper is probably realistically better for how much people like to throw things away.
@@Plorpoise The problem is that most plastic products are made purposefully so they can't really be reused. Plastic grocery bags rip quickly, plastic soda bottles can't be properly cleaned out and so on. There is also a lack of infrastructure to support re-use. If you go into a store to buy a drink you have to buy it in a new bottle, you can't just bring your own and fill it up at a fountain. All of this comes back to the plastic companies that the first poster talked about: When plastic became very big during WW2 for military purposes the manufacturers had the issues of making way more plastic after the war than they could sell, since a lot of it was reusable. So they invested heavily into marketing the idea of plastic as disposable. A good example of this are the red solo cups.
@@Plorpoise what was wrong with recycled paper bags and glass bottles? the very same people who were out to save trees caused the biggest environmental hazard in all of history, why? cause they couldnt leave well enough alone
@M W It was also it the 80 and 90 too, i remember educational commercials saying you should ask for plastic bags instead of paper in stores for the sake of the enviroment. Of course the adds did not mention that they were paid by the plastic companies.
“What do I do with the SOIL it produces?” Its not soil. You have paid a lot of money to dehydrate and grind the waste, only to, at best, throw it into your garden to be rehydrated again.
And on top of it. a t 3:44 they show kid putting plastic utensils and other junk in it. to be blended up before put in flower pot as compost. LMAO YES lets introduce more microplastics in soil. the wery thing thats poisoning earth thanks to green idiots who wanted to save trees and pushed governments to approve plastic as alternative to paper some decades ago when every shopping bag was paper
Got the ad for this product during this video. Love the people complaining about smell. There is a reason that composting is generally done outside and not in your kitchen. The nice thing of course is that when it pumps all the humidity into your air, you can run one of the magic water from air devices too :-)
Here's a tip. EAT the food, don't throw it away. They describe "normal" outside composting as tedious.. In what way is it tedious? You don't have to supervise it.
It's been a while since i studied horticulture but wouldn't the desiccated "compost" also require a shit tonne of water to re-hydrate it and make the nutrients contained available to the plant? I remember that potting medium can dry out to the point that it becomes hydrophobic and takes a lot of time and effort and/or applying soil wetting agent products to get it back to the point where it holds actually retains water again.
Good composting takes weeks of heat and moisture. During that time, off-gassing during rot occurs. Naturally. These people are using cultural hot buzzwords on gullible consumers to take their money.
With these LOMI type devices, don't need a toilet too much anymore. I can just fire off a deuce and take a leak in the LOMI. There you go, hydration added.
Yep, i just knew immediately from composting and gardening for years, that this was bull. I don’t even have great technical/ academic knowledge on the subject of the water/ heat processes but I’m fairly well versed in biology. You also want that sludge, and you want to give all those beneficial microorganisms time to colonize! Composting can never be an overnight process no matter how you look at it.
In Germany, we have a word for what this basically is: Symbolpolitik. An act that tries to look like it's solving problems when it actually isn't doing anything, maybe even causing harm.
was just watching Coffeehouse Crime, one of my favorite true crime youtube channels, and to my horror they had Lomi as a sponsor for this latest episode :( I told him how much of a scam it was and referred him back to this video and Im really hoping he sees the comment and actually takes the time to watch this, as small as that chance might be
oh no! I'm here because good mythical morning got sponsored by Lomi too ): sounds pretty on paper but thankfully there's channels like these to clear up scams.
I study microbio and have worked in a few soil ecoloy labs, dry unprocessed plant matter is about the singular worst thing you can use in a soil medium form of soil enrichment. As it, like you said, takes a very very long time to break down into form that is bioavaliable to microbes, symbiotic insects and plants. What these machines create is essentially no different from the fresh topsoil organic matter that functions as a physical barrier and as a habitat for organisms, it would be as useful as dried leaves.
Like what is even the need to have this compost soil in 24 hrs? Building a garden or planting is usually a planned activity. I thought that compost took a long time to generate, so good to know that's the case.
Both larger and microscopic organisms require water to break it down anyway, the idea of essentially boiling off the water first is the definition of insanity.
@@CharlesNauck I mean you usually only salt the ingredients you actually use, not scraps, in other words if there's a large amount of salt in your bio waste you are throwing away too much stuff you shouldn't. But you are of course generally right.
This is so fun : “Lomi is so much more than the food dehydrators out there. It uses completely new patent-pending smart sensors to preserve microorganisms through the biodegradation process to create a microbial rich, nutrient dense dirt. It is also the only home kitchen appliance on the market that can break down Lomi Approved bioplastics!”
Have you contacted Lomi to discuss the Lomi words you're using in that comment about Lomi? Lomi staff are always interested in the public's understanding of Lomi and are happy to provide Lomi approval once Lomi engineers, Lomi materials scienticians, and other Lomi technical and administrative staff who make up the Lomi family have had a chance to perform the Lomi-approved Lomi review process.
I thought you were joking but they did actually put this paragraph out. They're either too stupid to know their product is worse than useless or they realise it is but are just in it for the money. It's just awful.
Thanks you Thunderf00t for teaching me the way of thermodynamics, you made me a great engineer who understands thermodynamics. Thank you for being a real scientist doing real science.
I have what are commonly referred to as chickens, ten hens, and they will eat just about any kitchen waste, pigs with feathers, and they compost it all quickly and continuously.
What an amazing idea! I'm going on Kickstarter to sell a green energy efficient water sterilizer that boils water for a few hours and dehumidifies it, it'll be so much more efficient than a filter!
Just fyi- keep veggies scraps in a silicone or ziplock gallon bag. When it is full, add it to water. Spices, lots of salt and cook down. You have broth. Keep bones from meats in the freezer, and you can make chicken, turkey, etc broth.
The ending was hilarious where they admit themselves that you can just throw it in the trash. How close can you get to admit being a scam without actually saying it?
Reminds me of some comedian, can't remember who, who did a bit about the marketing of baking soda which includes the idea of pouring it the trashcan to reduce smell -- essentially "Buy our product and then take it home and throw it directly into the trash, then come back and buy some more!"
@@JMartJr think it may have been tom ryan, and might have been pouring it down the drain instead of into the trash. you can find a clip by just looking up comedian baking soda, i thinj
if we wanted to make food more carbon friendly, invest in more efficient agriculture and supply chain technology/techniques. throwing responsibility to consumers is the opposite of problem solving. otherwise we wouldve solved the plastic issue 30 years ago from recycling.
If you want to reduce the impact of your food consumption (and you're ignoring all the collective/societal/political changes that would be more effective), the number one thing you can do as an individual is to STOP THROWING SO MUCH AWAY. Want less waste? Stop wasting stuff.
Do you know that the USA does not recycle plastic? We just store the bales in a warehouse for up to 10 years, then we bury in a desert. I say we, but that isn't my job.
@@hugehappygrin you think that's bad, but in my country we buy plastic trash from other countries and just dump them in random rainforest clearings and rivers. Shit gets multiple stories high and stretches far and wide At least yours tries to make sure it's locked out of the environment.
@@hugehappygrin I feel like food waste isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, thrown to a compost pile it's feeding bugs and other animals. the amount of carbon emissions from food waste is negligible especially considering plants consume carbon emissions. plastic on the other hand is a major problem because the stuff that is recyclable really ought to be recycled, but I always see the trash guy throw my recycle bin in the same pile as the other trash.
I should look into Lomi, because my high tech composting device currently malfunctions: It used to produce an egg about every day, now it's more like every other day. I call it a Hen®. As a bonus, it also produces a kind of compost, an incredibly rich and condensed fertilizer! More seriously, for the first time last week, my compost pile has produced several hundreds of black soldier flies. This happened after I recreated the compost pile switching the bottom and top layers and adding donkey manure in the middle. A week later, I poured a basin of gray water on top, and I was amazed to see a good hundred of black flies crawl up from inside the compost pile before going back inside to feed or more likely lay eggs, since the adult flies don't have a mouth, only the voracious fat- and protein-rich larvae do. BTW, the product of these glorified kitchen dehydrators is in no way compost, because you need to add the water that you removed for it to properly compost. The heating process also killed all the bacteria that would have helped compost it faster, although this dry matter will quickly get inseminated both from the air and from the compost pile where you drop it. Still, it is a pretty wasteful and pointless process. It would be much better to ask your city for better waste management. I personally use 6 recycling containers, 3 in the house (food scraps + paper/cardboard, regular garbage, and a mixed bag of batteries + small electronics + expired drugs), 3 outside (glass, metal, other recycling such as plastic bottles). I plan on melting the little aluminum I use or can retrieve for later use, and I am toying with the idea of grinding my glass waste into sand, using only renewable energy, of course.
What about the plastic knife and fork or that plastic iPhone case that they put in. That’s gonna help those plants taste good with the toxins from the plastic in the fertiliser.
Many American & Canadian homes already have a device in the sink that blends up food waste & other organic garbage. The sewage system transports the blended waste to the treatment plants, where it can be recovered & turned into fertiliser or fuel for waste-to-electricity generation.
@@PARTUM_QUANTICLE they put plastic forks in there too. plastic made out of bamboo and some eco friendly materials you could compost but not a lot of plastic is that sort of stuff.
Nice job. I started a small compost bin ( large plastic garbage can ) which I've been adding to for 11yrs and counting and I've never taken anything out of it, not even turned it over, just keep throwing veg/fruit scraps in it and in the summer I throw in what I scrape off the lawn mower bottom. It's like a bottom less pit. Maybe I can sell that idea, the bottom less pit compost bin.
Recommendations: Keep it as oxygenated as possible by either spreading it out or using mesh (I'm sure there are more ways). Also, have a connection to the ground soil so organisms from the ground soil can easily enter.
Thanks Thunderf00t for another bust. I just bury my food waste in the backyard garden, using a hoe to break it up a bit first. It's great for the soil, no electricity required. And it's free!
You find it more useful if you gutted the thing so it was just a shell, take it outside and added your food waste to the top, and use the draw at the bottom is were you could collect your compost from the bottom! 100% energy Free!!! Oh wait, gardeners already have that, it's called a composter!
Thunderf00t: You might want to scope YT channel "Wall Street Millennial" for the video "Whatever Happened to The Boring Company?" --- He's an okay chap - treating the issue from a business perspective ... but you might have some comments for him to help him along ... Just a thought ... (and glad you busted Lomi) ... Cheers ...
Thanks for your video, I was just about to buy the lomi on their 2 week trial scheme, I thought something wasn’t right about it when I show that there’s a huge waiting list, so I decided to see what information I could find about it and I came across your video. Saved me on losing almost half £1k, much appreciated.
What I'm curious about is how the Lomi's output decomposes. The big issue with landfills ofc is that bc there's so much waste piled up, it creates an oxygen depleted environment, where the waste is broken down by anaerobic bacteria that output more methane than aerobic bacteria. From the marketing material, it sounds like part of the whole Lomi system includes populating the waste with *some* kind of bacterial culture to help it break down and blah blah marketing speak. So say you use it to break down some waste that would otherwise go in your regular trash bin, and then dump it out in some unused corner of your yard, where it decomposes the rest of the way through aerobic bacteria, including those that were added by the Lomi. How does that math balance out, potential climate impact of non-renewable energy going into the machine vs climate impact in methane generated from that same amount of waste in a landfill? I wish this video had gone into *that* calculus. I also wish we could get the Lomi's output into the hand of some kind of soil expert who could analyze it. I want to know what strains those bacteria are, what they do in an aerobic vs anaerobic environment, what it does with compostable plastics (which usually cannot be composted at home), etc etc. P.S. I also wish this video had made it more clear when it was talking about criticisms of Lomi specifically vs criticisms of other crowdfunded kitchen composting systems. I usually listen to videos as I work, and I found that most of the time the cues for this were mainly visual, which makes the video much harder to watch.
I did the math in another comment if you can find it. This video gets it very wrong. Seen as an entryway to composting / alternative to landfills, Lomi reduces per capita carbon footprint by about 89%. Thunderfoot badly fucked this up with hot takes and zero data. Based on his comments at 3:00, he has no understanding of food waste emissions or the importance of composting
As someone who has been worm farming since 2011, and doing other composting methods for years, this kind of stuff really bugs me. Not only does it show that they don't know what compost is but also they may put people off from the idea of composting altogether.
I just started worm farming last year. My plants love the fresh compost, and the worms love my leftover vegetables. Its been great so far. Simple solutions for the win!
That's the thing with food composting; whatever new system you make has to now compete with all of the natural world, where entire vast ecological niches exist specifically to break down every type of organic matter that exists into usable energy. You have to be very effective to outdo worms, who have been doing this for 200 million years and have gotten pretty damned good at it.
they know what composting is. they know that what their devices do ist NOT that, still they use this in their shady marketing scemes.. these people are not dumb.. these people are simply dishonest scum.
I love the contrast in production values between "We want your money" and "we have your money and we sort of want you to stop complaining"
They all look like they want to go home.
@@Action2me ..... I thought they were drugged !
@@robbieaussievic I thought that it looked more like hostages being forced to make a video:
"...our captors are treating us well. Please pay the ransom. They're caring for us so well we can't stand it and want to go home!"
@@kevreeduk222 ..... Excellent, INTERPOL have determined that each hostage is under duress. (not to be confused with the Klingon sisters).
Nah they’re just a super dorky shy introverted bunch of virgin dorks. Literally anything they could do they would still be looking awkward and under duress
Pro Tip: Get some guinea pigs, name them Lomi and Buster, and they will actually turn your carrot strunks and salad leaves into little "compost" nuggets in less than 24 hours
Or rabbits, or chickens. Tasty too...
haha, with guinea pigs its more like 20 mins. I have guinea pigs, great fertiliser pellets from a cute potato!
Genius! How do I invest????
Chickens were our best composter! Plus they pay us in eggs.
Get them now for only 1 099$ !!!
This product is like a buying a "green" outdoor space heater instead of wearing a jacket.
Needs work. The jacket wasn't so environmentally friendly to make. I think you need to be naked, hugging a tree for warmth instead. Lol.
It's like none of those engineers and designers thought about if the product actually made a different on the carbon footprint at all. Using energy to hasten the same process that happens with all food waste anyways is a waste, not a save lol
@@rajgill7576 It's because they likely didn't. Because they're scammers.
Revolutionary new idea, the reverse AC! mount an AC unit the opposite way during summer, and you can cool down your garden when you're outside!
I'll call this product the XBreeze 9000 and it'll have a sleek design and look super futuristic
It's like buying a outdoor space heater that burns jackets to keep you warm.
Several equipment vendors claim to be able to create compost in a day. But based on everything we know about microbiology, the microorganisms just don’t work that fast. While Lomi demonstrates that it is possible to create a plastic bin that uses vast amount of heat energy to dehydrate food waste in a short period of time, this is not a composting process and the end product is not "compost". It's merely dehydrated bits of food waste.
well said
So we can do the same with a cheap dehydrator and a food processor....
@@Deadxman616 skip the dehydrator. The composting process needs moisture.
Just learn how to manage a compost pile
It uses 1 kwh or less, per load. So the energy expenditure isnt vast, its actually tiny compared to other kitchen appliances....
@@src3360 I don't know about you, but something tells me that 1 kWh energy figure is an outright lie.
As a professional civil and sanitary engineer of just over 30 years, I was involved in a number of composting projects on the east and west coasts of the US back in the 1990s. We tried static piles, windrows, forced air, and even containerized composting techniques. In our case, we tried to use a reasonable mix of yard wastes (grass trimmings, branches, etc.), municipal solid waste (stuff you'd normally throw away in your house), and biosolids (human fecal matter) collected from nearby wastewater treatment plants. The goal was always to try to find the proper carbon-to-nitrogen ratio - typically somewhere between 5 and 10 to 1. Invariably, the reasons these facilities were ultimately shut down were three-fold: (1) The cost of capturing and treating the off-gases was extremely expensive, (2) If uncaptured and untreated, the off-gases from these facilities would create the most god-awful smells for miles and miles downwind, and (3) The leachate (wastewater) produced from these compost facilities was extremely foul, quite acidic, and would simply destroy the biological activity in the downstream wastewater treatment plant receiving this runoff.
There is this old saying: The solution to pollution is dilution. And, while that saying may be offensive to some, the concept of composting, which concentrates pollutants rather than diluting them, proves the statement to be true.
If you want to read about one of the few facilities on the east coast of the US to actually survive the pilot testing stage by reverting back to composting only yard trimmings, have a look here:
www.montgomerycountymd.gov/sws/facilities/cf/#:~:text=Montgomery%20County%20operates%20the%20facility,Maryland%20Environmental%20Service%20(MES).&text=The%20composting%20program%20in%20Montgomery,one%2Dthird%20of%20the%20county.
On the west coast of the US, a similar pilot test was conducted near Escondido, California, but that facility failed miserably. Today, Escondido simply offers a homeowner instructions on how to pile up trash in their yard and compost it "naturally." See www.escondido.org/composting.aspx
Great comment and thank you for sharing your expertise. I would like to have your opinion on the concept of this product:
I live in Montreal, our energy comes mainly from hydroelectricity, so the emission of this type of machine will be negligible.
We already have organic waste collection programs. I have the impression that with a machine, a less restrictive model, we could reduce the frequency of organic matter collectors and thus reduce our GHG emissions (in the hypothetical situation that a majority of the population would have the machine in question).
Do you think that dehydrated materials would be detrimental to the system you were referring to?
That's really interesting! I'm working with a compost company locally but we've focused on anaerobic composting of mostly food waste. Our containers for the clients have rubber seals and we provide a germinating mix to sprinkle on top each time food is added. The bins generally don't get too bad, it's more of a fermenting smell rather than a rotting one. At our facility we then mix it with mulch and compostables, stack it in windrows, and cover with tarps. The smell really isn't bad.
Strange because in Poland and whole EU bio waste is processed in every little and big city. They will start building bio gas plant in my city soon which will produce fertilizer and biogas which will be pumped into the network. We already have waste burning plant which produce heat and electricity for the city.
@@philipperodier8414 Good question, sir. The short answer to your question is almost certainly, yes. The various composting techniques I pilot-tested targeted somewhere between 40% and 60% water, by weight. Though the water, expressed as runoff from the process, is rancid, it's necessary provide a medium for the growth of both heterogenous and autogenous bacteria needed to expedite the digestion (carbon-reducing) processes. For all but the forced air systems, which promoted only the growth of aerobic bacteria, the nitrogen was needed to support the growth of anaerobic bacteria deeper in the static and windrowed piles. To summarize, these processes would not succeed in a dehydrated substrate. Hope this helps.
@@matthewluttrell9413 If the food source for your anaerobic biology is mostly kitchen wastes, then I follow your process. The troubles come when those food wastes are mixed with other largely inert materials, or greenwood, which contains a carbon source, but also adds a lot of non-carbon fiber. Yard wastes are also very low in free nitrogen, which inhibits anaerobic activity.
Have you conducted a survey of the surrounding community near your composting site to see if your neighbors agree with your conclusion that "the smell really isn't that bad?" That's what MCRCF did when they first got started and they learned right quick that their neighbors would have none of it.
I ask because we experimented with composting at the Blue Plains WWTP in Wash DC some years ago. Those who were working the windrows didn't seem to mind the odor, but the poor souls across the Potomac River who were in Alexandria were quietly complaining to their elected officials. DC Water was eventually required to shut the whole thing down and, as it turned out, the workers had simply become olfactory desensitized to the ammonia smell (the biosolids being used were lime-stabilized and the anaerobic activity in the windrows was converting the slaked lime to ammonia).
Now, as someone who worked on a farm, I can tell you, making fertilizer not as easy as throwing some kitchen scraps into a magic device and then 24h later you have perfect, nice, ganular fertilizer, it can take months if not years to break down any acids that you might not want. Next issue is: ACID you need to make sure makeup and composition is good so you end up with something with a relatively neutral PH and not something overly acidic or basic which will just kill your plants.
there was a point 16:50 a streamer asked their tech service what to do with the now ground up garbage and I kind you not he said.
1. green bin it
2. home compost bin it
3. throw it in the garbage.
ahahahahaha.
@@IloveJellow True, at that point, I'm just going to either compost it or throw it away. But I don't trust their claim with biodegradable plastic since a lot of industrial compostation plants don't even wanna deal with it because its so hard to keep balance in the composters for it.
@@AstralJaeger other funny part is the device cooks the water content drying it out and reducing its oxygen which is whats needed for the bacteria to eat it and ends up producing more methane without it. There is also still the issue with microplastic which contaminates most of our drinking water and still does not degrade as fast as normally created plastic if only marginally different. It only works if exposed to enough oxygen to allow it to break down at quicker pace but even then you are looking to about 20 years of leaving it to nature and it takes longer if not in those conditions.
@@AstralJaeger The problem with most bio-plastics here in the EU:
The industry is used to a lets say 3 weeks long cycle for their composting, and those bio-plastics take longer then that.
This results in good compost, mixed with lots of small ~half composted bio-plastic snippets.
Aka they can sell that compost, but at a way smaller profit.
Bio-plastics are best used for stuff that gets littered a lot. A forest or ocean won't mind a 3 month compost time compared to litter made from traditional plastic. But even that has it's problems. Because not every bio-plastic actually composts properly, some just turn into "good" old microplastic within weeks or months.
@@peterpan4038 Wasn't aware the half composted bio plastic snippets was such a big issue, not a subject matter I run into a lot in my daily life. Honestly can't say it surprises me at all though since the composting industry was developed with normal food and gardening waste in mind, to add in plastic that needs at the very least more time and probably a more complex process too is going to be a disaster. If those are actually compostable I wonder if it'd be feasible to either sort remove them automatically either before composting or at the end of the process and then when enough has been collected process it properly as needed or at least remove it from the product.
It might work pretty well with a more controlled waste flow, I'm thinking about degradeable cups and such at an office for example. But then you've got the challenge of training the employees to only put the right plastic into that flow and break their "all plastic is plastic" mindset. I worked at a place where my employer had a contract to recycle polystyrene in this way as supposedly sorted waste from the disposable cups. The company they had a contract with ending up rejecting our disposed cups because too many people did things like throwing them away with tea bags and other stuff in the cups as they threw them away. In the biodegradeable plastic scenario at least that extra teabag shouldn't be a problem but other plastic waste certainly would be.
We had something that actually worked way back in the sixties, we called it a “COMPOST BIN” it was at the back of the yard, used no energy, held large amounts of food waste and vegetation trimmings. Worked flawlessly for years and cost virtually nothing.
We had a fancy compost recepticle in my childhood kitchen that locked the door out but kept the nutrients in. It was called a "empty dishwasher powder bucket with lid". It worked great and was actually free.
Ah yes, I made a three bin model out of discarded pallet wood. You would place fresh material into the first " bin" use a broad fork and turn it to introduce air into the pile, then fork it into the second "bin" and after a month or so, fork it into the third bin ready for use!
It is all a balance of carbon, things like coffee grounds and dry leaves, and nitrogen, wet green material like grass clippings food and garden waste and earth. INE key to rapid composting is moisture and heat generated by decomposition.
A properly maintained compost pile *Does NOT Smell!!*
my middle school teacher introduced this revolutionary idea to us during the school year, add some indigenous fungi, worms and sun and it did wonders (its been a bit, might have missed some steps lol)
@@rickcoona it does if you do it in your kitchen.
Still hot one. It stinks. But at peast its outside rather than my kitchen
The most hilarious part of this is that the Lomi saves exactly zero carbon vs the green bin. The compost collecting truck will be arriving at you house weather you have one or not.
If it's powered by anything except elbow grease... It's leaving a carbon footprint.
How do ppl not know this by now? Batteries, electricity, gas, diesel, propane... ANY FUEL... It all leaves a footprint ppl. It IS hilarious.
@@--RSL-- Even elbow grease leaves a carbon footprint, since we essentially burn carbohydrates and hydrocarbons to do work, and output CO2 as a waste product.
@@agnes8679 At the end of the day, the decomposition process of biodegradables in your garbage release the same net carbon regardless of where they decompose. It's no more harmful to the planet to throw biodegradable waste in the trash than it is to throw it in a compost pile. The compost pile simply gives the user a way to benefit from the decomposition, using the leftover organic matter to grow plants. But that same organic matter would enrich the soil used to cover it in the landfill as well, so it's not as if it's being "wasted".
TL;DR - just throw the stuff away. As long as you're not tossing plastic and recyclables, it'll all become dirt eventually.
@@--RSL-- You can have composters without the "elbow grease"
It's how humans have done it for a very long time ie: getting worms to do it instead
Hello. As an actual engineer for material science I always cringe when those scam groups say they have material scientists working on the topic. It is like hearing your brother was found in a hotel room with a goat. The shame.
This is plastics. This is metal, dunno which one. Now, I'm an indigogone expert, read my white paper!
@@TheDiveO Get it right, it's "All hail the whitepaper" - reading is for nerds, these people ain't nerds, they're cool and hip. Cool people just "believe" stuff blindly without thinking.
Depends on the quality of the goat, to be honest.
If you get a good'n, son, you've got it good.
I'd rather be found in a hotel room with a goat than having some of the products thunderf00t have busted
Everything seems like a great idea when you have 1000 square foot kitchen.
Got 500 sq ft. too much kitchen space? Introducing, the all new space occupying kitchen bridge!
Apparently composting always involves cutting colorful vegetables on a small cutting board.
LMAO best and most directionally accurate comment I have seen today. Brilliant good sir.
It all starts with West Coast Americans, the most credulous people since the fucking Gold Rush.
@@pearz420 you should look at square footage by state. Alabama has the biggest homes. California is ranked. high. But most of the top 20 are red states. Similar to how red states receive the most disproportionate federal assistance relative to what they put in. Texas being the only red state pulling it's weight
The blender I make margaritas with barely cost 1/10 of what this thing does. But this only blends leftover food... Wait! I see the point! Its a money separating machine. Clever Design!
love your pfp and name
Obviously you never tried a compost margarita. Get a buzz and save the planet at the same time!
You people drink margaritas?
I've been meaning to make one of those... but I like being able to sleep at night and looking in the mirror without hating myself. Guess I need to make a morals suppressing machine first.
No, you'd need a blender, AND a fruit-dryer (or heater/dehumidifyer). A blender by itself would defeat the whole purpose.
It's a de-icky-fying machine. Functionally useless, but people find WET ground-up food-sludge (like a blender produces) far more icky, than DRY ground-up food-sludge. Properly marketed, it may even sell- That kind of gut-level disgust response we all get in reaction to wet garbage, is exactly the kind of reptile-brain emotional response that, if skillfully exploited, is one of the biggest driving forces of the economy.
The fact I got a Lomi ad during this is priceless. Thanks for making this man, I was considering getting one because I have a septic tank and no disposal in my sink, but this was what I needed to see!
These products are worse than useless. $7M raised, fark.
Dave, you're in the wrong line of work...
Think of how much you could make by using your technical knowledge, all you'd have to do is make some catchy-sounding Star Trekkian phrases (using our patented Quantum Monostable Multivibrator technology...), slap together a slickly-edited video with stock images, run a flexible-funding Kickscammer campaign from a fake Email account, PROFIT.
It would be SO EASY if people like you and I lacked scruples... I mean, if Elizabeth Holmes can do it, anyone can do it... lol
@@dashcamandy2242 - kick-starter campaign number one; raise money to purchase computing gear and CGI software, replace the wardrobe with high-necked, black tops, purchase bucket loads of blonde hair dye and truck loads of cigarettes to enhance that 'natural sounding' deep voice.
Jealous?
@@Okurka. - jealous of a group of e-begging scammers? Not in the slightest. All quite distasteful.
we're in the wrong business
14:26 That passion just jumps out of the screen! LOL
Best scene still is the carrot at 12:57. Just look at it... Priceless awardwinning mega carrot.
The embarrassed reluctance to acknowledge the product encapsulated within the fleeting sideways glance.
Yeah that part screamed "we need to do an update, the natives are getting restless!"
......Well, not literally, because that would be terrifying.
The scam causes peoples money to jump out of their pockets. Man, sometimes I wish I didn't have this level of self respect. It'd be so easy to scam these stupid fucks.
Beta products
I imagine there was some carbon savings if this heavy food waste isn't being transported to a landfill. My composter cost $10, is the size of a trashcan and is outside using zero input energy. (and also, you know, makes real compost).
You bastard! It's not using "zero input energy"... you're using a damned FUSION REACTOR to compost your stuff !!
I just have a pile or pot I fill, then layer. If you put sunflowers on top of the pile you can chop and drop.
Ironically an actual composter is exothermic. This thing is the complete opposite.
Try adding worms into the compost. They are as happy as a pig in shit and speed up the process.
My composter cost nothing, is made from an old plastic barrel with a filling door cut into its side. This is mounted in a stand made of scrap wood planks lying around in the workshop and a old water pipe to make the barrel rotating. Its a home made drum composter.
"So what do you do for a living?"
"I convert trash into the same trash for only 500$"
The fact they threatened legal action a mere ~24 hours later shows how effective this busted video really was.
Well done Phil
Was it a Lomi approved law suit in a Lomi envelope with a Lomi lawyer?
Nothing screams "We have confidence in the quality of our product" like immediately sueing the moment someone criticises it.
Can't win against the truth and science!
Threatening legal action can be done by anyone for any reason and costs nothing. Which is what they did. Actual legal action has consequences.
@@KenjaTimu which is why they won’t pull the trigger. They don’t want to pay the court costs when they lose miserably LOL
I went to an engineering school (that I won't name), for which there was a required course "Technical Communications" which consisted of a research project that you had to research, document, find solutions for, and pitch the best solution in a presentation as your final grade. The idea was to pick a topic that would make the campus "greener", and if the project resulted in something viable, the campus would actually consider implementing your project. Essentially what happened was our grade was literally based on how viable we could make this research project sound to the campus directors, so of course that resulted in a lot of bias, a lot of bullshit. Ever after that course, I now understand how products like this come to exist... Oh, I bring this up because the group that I was in picked composting cafeteria food scraps in large vats. Our "plan" involved paying students to get in and shovel the shit back out of the vat, etc. We carefully glossed over the smell, death of students, any sort of practicality, etc. Too bad we couldn't just pick something reasonable, like replacing all the lighting with LED. (That was forbidden as a topic because it was too easy to research and show the benefits thereof with back of the envelope calculations). I wonder just how many scam projects out there were born of something like that course I experienced -- taken too far and actually put in front of investors...
Deaths???
@@praisethesun3089 working with wastes its often seen as a biohazard related jobs with all the shit (figuratively and literally) u have to deal with everyday, downside u might smell like shit, die sooner with all those small particles u sniff every day, upside? U got a bonus for such jobs
@@Discoveryman29 I see, damn
@@praisethesun3089 don’t worry too much, they just glossed over them....😒🤪
GREEN DUMPSTER DIVING
an electric composter just really sums up why we're at the place that we are. i can make a pile of banana skins in a bin/yard and make compost naturally, or i can heat up a pile of banana skins in a bin and use a finite supply of dinosaur juice to do it in a day, AND i get to feel smug about doing something AND do it with minimal effort.
But if the power comes from slave-built solar panels made from silicon, coking coal, and a variety of rare elements, it should be OK. ;)
@@jonathantan2469 solar panels are pretty usefull and the uprfont cost is high but it is cheaper and dose actually reduce co2 however nuclear imo is just better overall.
Except you are not composting it in a day. Just dehydrating and blending the waste so that it needs to be hydrated later so that it can then compost naturally in roughly the same time span anyway. The smug factor is the real deal though.
If you have a place to make a pile. On the other hand, if you don't, I don't see a point of making compost anyway - your plants' pots would be overflowing within few months.
People like to make fun of feminists for being hypocrites (and for good reason), but nobody is more hypocritical than fake environmentalists
I was actually thinking about getting a Lomi but decided to do my research first and I’m glad I did.
You have turned shithole scammers into a hidden gem of entertainment that brings joy to my day.
Alchemy! I love it.
Perhaps they could make it squeeze the juice out of the food, speeding the drying process while providing a delicious healthy drink for the smart investor. Call it Juicero II.
This grosses me out so much
We agreed never to speak of the Juicero ever again...
I'm not gonna check this but my gut feeling says that squeezing the water out with a hydrolic press may actually be more energy efficient than boiling it off, lol.
That is called the juice weasel. Jim Carry invented it. :)
Hell, they could even *eat* some the food instead of throwing it away.
I actually managed to cut down on nearly all food waste around the house.
It's called Cleo and my kids actually love it. On top of that, it also works as a burglar alarm. As a bonus feature, it helps me lead an active lifestyle.
It's a medium sized dog.
lmao! too funny
Right!!! What I can't put in the worm bin, the dogs and chickens get. It works great and cuts down my feed bill
I hAve 2 lol
Mines is also fully functional A.I, although it listens to only about 3 commands.
Where does the dog shit go?
Compost needs to be damp. Lomi's dehydrator makes organic matter less ready for composting.
It's hilarious that RUclips is choosing to show Lomi advertisements during this BUSTED video. So Lomi is helping to pay Thunderfoot to bust their scam. There is some justice in the universe.
4 months later and im still seeing those ads, "and it keeps getting funnier, every, time, i see it!"
I wish some big media outlet would hire Thunderf00t to do a weekly segment busting these scam products.
That could cause some awkward moments when he busts something the billionaire media mogul had invested in.
@@MushookieMan or when the channel runs their ads on the product
He would bust the media propaganda scam first
@@MushookieMan Said billionaire could always use Thunderf00t as his "Is this a waste of my money?" advisor.
Rob Wolchek might want a good partner for his "hall of shame".
Ugh that whole spiel about "Lomi approved" stuff just brings back painful memories of my inkjet printer refusing to work becuase "you don't have original HP" or "genuine Brother cartidges"
Having grown up on the complete scam that is disposable products that require "approved" consumables, it doesn't take me much effort to recognize this product as the devious money grubbing scam it is.
Printer cartridge scams are hilarious. They include a box to ship the cartridge back postage paid! How nice of them. Im pretty sure they just refill the cartridge and "refurbish" it (press a reset button? 😅) amd back to tonthe store it goes for $60. And of.course they have to guilt trip you into doing this for them by saying you'll destroy the planet if you don't send your cartridge back. People are so stupid and gullible, I almost can't be mad at the people who made up and profit from these scams.
Most funny thing about the cartridge scam is the chip shortage where original canon cartridges are not recognised as original
@@der94alex yes I heard about that 😅
I bought an older brother printed discontinued back in 2005, with an earlier version of the scam. Back then the shined a light through the cartridge to indicate if it was empty. I just used some paint to cover that hole, and got a significant amount of printing done after the cartridge was 'empty" and the printer had refused to work.
i dont regret buying an Epson Ecotank, the black ink that came with it will probably outlast the entire canon printer i had before,
@@onradioactivewaves Ahhh..... The old 'lightbulb on a stick' design as seen in VHS.
Simpler times. ☺
Why is nobody mentioning that every play the emptying into the trashcan is full perfectly edible food
Yeah, I kept thinking, what are these people eating, that they have so much to toss out? Is this going to feed their houseplants? It's still not plant food when it's "done". It's just ground and dried material that you could make soup out of.
Minor correction at around 3:00
This dessicated waste would produce less methane than going to landfill. Landfill's methane intensity is caused by anaerobic processes which are due to the lack of O2 available to the bulk of the buried waste material. However, if you're placing your waste in a garden bed, then it will have much higher access to O2 and decompose into CO2 instead of CH4.
|This is not an endorsement of Lomi.
I guess it depends how thinly you spread it - chopping it up so that it packs more densely would increase the proportion of the pile that is anaerobic.
@@SorenCicchini probably not the case. Soil can actually transport a fair amount of air through it. That's why the ground doesn't expand and contract much when it rains: air is displaced for water. And this dessicated waste seems to come out looking a lot like a coarse grained soil.
Correct. I've seen cadaver dogs in action - they couldn't detect cadavers up.to 5 yards deep unless there was air moving through soil
@@samueljanda3903 how is landfill different?
@@JohnSmith-te5oo cadaver dogs are detecting the products of anaerobic decomposition. Gases make their way to the surface through the soil pores but that doesn't mean air is flowing through the soil.
I built a "traditional" composter in my garden using a few old pallets. It works like a charm and set me back maybe 10 Dollars, plus my time. When I lived in an apartment, I had one of those worm-composting bins, which also worked remarkably well. People try to reinvent wheel.....
They aren’t trying to reinvent anything. They are using tech buzzwords to make bank and for virtue signaling
Yes, i was thinking the same, the worm composting actually produces compost not dry pieces of food. If one is really thinking about the environment then the worm bin is the best option available for city dwellers.
Correction: People try to sell the nu-wheel.
Can't sell the old wheel because it's too simple. Also, your startup company NEEDS to develop a "tech" product regardless which problem you are supposedly trying to solve. Because "tech" companies automatically get much higher valuations. Just make sure that your nu-wheel connects to a phone app for some reason. Also ensure that your nu-wheel is styled like an apple product. Because that's what "tech" looks like. And while you're at it, make the nu-wheel square. Wouldn't want anyone to think you've just trying to sell a regular old wheel with some bells and whistles attached. The nu-wheel needs to be "innovative", and roll in a completely different way than any previous wheel.
Now all you need is an expensive marketing campaign and you should be swimming in investor cash. Be sure to pay yourself handsomely for your own hard work. Wouldn't want to be left empty handed when the company inevitably goes belly up a few years later.
@@fnorgen Excellent. Just excellent.
Same here. We just used some leftover slabs of concrete to build our compost heap. It works very well.
Wait, didn't they invent the effective version of this decades ago? It's called a garbage disposal. Solid municipal waste is often turned into fertilizer, or used to generate electricity, though some is just dumped in landfills.
Because people are fucking idiots… you would not believe how many people think garbage disposals are bad for the environment, and that they are designed for minuscule amounts of food scraps only. It doesn’t help that garbage disposal manufactures are making the units worse and worse. I’m a weirdo and collect disposals, after 1980 the only innovation was cost cutting.
"just dumped in landfills" sums up the "green energy" propaganda they've sold you. landfills use the methane to power homes. every day landfills are get this... filled in. they look like pristine parks producing free energy. one in Cali produces enough methane to power 50,000+ homes.
I live in an apartment. We have a common garbage room. There are paper bags that are available for free in the garbage room. Thease paper bags are for compost and are meant to be dropped in a special garbage can when filled. Problem solved.
What do you think a landfill is? I know of a couple of former landfills that have become overgrown with forest and bush. One in my municipality was turned in to a ski slope
@@grejsancoprative A problem with modern landfills are toxic materials polluting the groundwater. In ancient times this was more rarely a problem but there was dangerous compounds even then.
This is the highest quality scientific based comedy show on RUclips. As a 9th grade educated person, I really appreciate how you simply destroy these charlatans using usually grade school level science. I've followed you for years. Please continue the wonderful content. Kudos to your editing/ production team.
Here in Australia, we also have a green bin which you throw all of your food & garden waste in which is collected weekly and sent to a specialised composting facility. Works pretty damn well.
I mean, sure you do, but just imagine how much better you'd feel after you spend a bunch of money and electricity to take that compostable stuff and turn it into other compostable stuff that's a bit less smelly.
in italy is collected twice a week, during spring summer and fall, onece a week they collect the result of gardenig work (leafs, cutted brach trees, dead plants, etc etc)
Just composting food waste is no environmental benefit, it still decomposes and emits CO2, except for now when it is put in an oxygen restricted digester also emits Methane.
@@DeusExAstra ...only to throw it into the green bin afterwards, anyway!
Most of it goes straight to the landfill anyhow btw. Where garden/food waste goes isn't as important as other types of waste though so it doesn't matter. Mostly it depends on if they can make a profit off your waste still as it's cheaper to just landfill it, projected pricing and current fill status matters to the companies doing it.
This reminds me of an expo thing I was at where someone was showing off a water purification system for 3rd world and disaster zones that relied on a generator. Right next door to that booth was a filtration system that passed the water through various grades of sand and grit that only needed boiling or something like iodine to kill off bugs. The bloke promoting the generator option couldn't grasp that fuelling a machine would be incredibly expensive.
Best home composter is that pile of slowly rotting plant matter in the corner of the garden that also kicks out enough heat to keep the hedgehogs happy in winter. Worm farms are another good option for the veg in compost out powerless hands free operation.
It's not a glorified pedal bin that saves you leaving the kitchen. Why in the world does someone need an app to run something like this either.
the generator guy doesn't comprehend that most people in the world still live in places where they have to burn candles at night in order to see if there are tigers or snakes on the way to the latrine.
@@toomanyaccounts
You can build a large filter with natural materials and coal. Or literally wear the high tech version in your pocket.
Yeah, I'm sure the generator guy also doesn't understand what it's like to get fuel when you're in the middle of sub-Saharan Africa where you're about 600 MILES out of cell phone range. "Getting a new cable is easy, just run on down to your neighborhood 7-Eleven!"
Some people have such a privileged life they they can't even comprehend basic tools without electricity.
And yes, everything needs an app these days. It's insane
Yeah if you run water through gravel then sand and finnal charcoal dust you basically got fresh water. It get out most mico organisms. This is one thing i was taught endlessly by every survival class and survival group i ve joined
2 years ago i talked my boss into letting me process the 100's of yards of lawn and landscape waste we bring in per year into screened topsoil instead of paying to have it removed and dumped in a hole somewhere. I had to do quite a bit of research on composting and soil composition to be sure i wasn't just wasting time and money. Having first hand experience with the process made the idea of the lomi or anything similar especially absurd and hilarious.
And the thing is tiny as a bonus!
Did it work in the end? All scams aside, actually composting waste material the OG way is a good thing to do. Was your boss convinced?
@@ollietizzard5180 Yes, absolutely. It was costing about 6$ per yard to remove. It takes 1-2 years to compost. The process of blending and screening is very simple. The screener was 10k and processes around 15 yards per hour depending on moisture. we already have loaders to move and turn it. the final product is worth 20$ per yard. I only put in a few hours a week working on it. Overall it turned a 2-3k yearly expense into a 7-10k profit. The thing that makes the lomi so laughable is that giving the compost the proper time to break down is necessary or it'll just kill plants. it also requires lots of air and water for it to break down so the idea of intentionally drying it is silly. Lastly, it obviously smells terrible. the area down wind of our piles is all farm field. if we were near any residential areas i would fully expect to be shut down.
Thunderf00t has a spidy tingling sense when he hears a tech scam; it's one of his superpowers.
Since 2005 it is illegal in Sweden to throw organic material on a garbage dump and since 1994 the amount of garbage sent to garbage dumps has been reduced by 94% thanks to incineration and recycling.
The little paper bags we are throwing our food waste in are kept dry simply by the fact that the "bin" they sit in is very open so that all sides can breathe and because we are not throwing away huge amounts at a time. Dry food waste doesn't smell. It is very easy to be environmentally friendly when the infrastructure for it is set up.
Why do the Nordic countries always manage to find a sensible solution to something? haha :)
Sweden incinerates about 50% of their trash to fuel gas and coal plants, which unleashes huge amounts of CO2 . It's not as environmentally sound as the OP suggests.
@@R3WIRED Power from incineration is carbon negative though, since it produces a lot less emissions than ordinary landfilling. So it is quite a good system in that respect.
Yup. We even import garbage to burn. We turn this into electricity and yet we get scammed with enormous electricity bills. Politicians in Sweden have zero shame and should all be in jail. Every single one of them.
Meanwhile, here in Australia the environmentalists are trying to block waste-to-electricity generation plants.
"Hmm, I wonder how we can reduce waste", the fat man says, his AC on the maximum setting. As he leaves the room pondering the question, he leaves the TV and lights on, as he doesn't want to have to turn them back on when he re-enters. He enters the laundry, his daily washing successful after a full extended rinse cycle. As he places his now clean clothes into the drier (his clothes line having not been used in months because it's too hot outside), he decides that maybe he should buy a Lomi, as he feels there's no other way he can possibly lessen his footprint.
the absolute state of modern life
"no no, IM an environmentalist" :)
gg
Sounds accurate
*attends a climate change march*
*goes to mcdonalds straight afterwards to stuff their face full of meat*
IM aN enViroNmenTalIst!!!11
world leaders and hollywood actors be like:
>attends climate change conference
>"the planet is dying, this is why you need to eat bugs and live in a pod"
>flies back on a private jet
I LOVE how thunderfoot goes after anything unscientific, that is claming to be scientific, regardless of the politics of it. We need more Thunderfoots in the world.
Adding politics to science is the problem every time.
Yea you think, lol 😆
But she was wearing a lab coat improperly!
Eh, sometimes. But I do hope the focus stays on the science. People like thunder foot are unscientific outside the lab. I don’t need to hear their abhorrent ethics and political theories. They’re abysmall
The world is desperate for more rational thinking.
A corner of the garden seems to work pretty good.
I remember seeing an ad for Lomi and thinking to myself that theres no way it converts organics to compost so quickly. Glad to see you cover this!
Thing is food is already composed when you grow a garden you can stick rotten food in it and it becomes composed for your garden
I actually got an add for Lomi _durring_ this video!
@@scottthewaterwarrior Why do I feel like they do that on purpose lol
@@scottthewaterwarrior same lol
Also, I asked myself for WHAT these city-environmental-woke-people (no offense) do need all that compost for??? (Ball park number: around 200-400 kg per person and year !!!)
Obviously not to grow something, because then they would have seen a real passive compost-bin, or how growing plants work, basic agriculture knowledge, etc. ...
Maybe this "compost"-pre-product ends in the garbage bin anyway? :/
And like Jonathan says: You can't just bury that fresh plant material into the ground. Nitrogen is an artificial problem against the mold, fungi, pests and other diseases that you invite into your garden with such behavior(1). Put that raw mulch into a composting bin, RTFM and be happy with that passive, non energy costing thingy:)
(1) "Dehydrated Material" ... is a waste of energy and part of the scam. What do people think happens, when you put dehydrated stuff in your hopefully well hydrated garden soil?! :)))
At 12:27 the real working solution, black composting-bin plus child-work and daddy (which they present as bad), instead of the Sci-Fi-BS.
One thing to point out regarding "bioplastics":
In many places it's illegal to throw the stuff out with compostables. As the "biodegradability" is only theoretical, and doesn't hold up in reality.
Edit: the above is misleading. Please allow me to correct this.
A "bioplastic", or rather "biobased polymer", is made from biomass. But is not necessarily bio degradable.
And a biodegradable plastic can be bio based, but can just as well be made from petroleum.
As this distinction is important when debating this subject. And the terminology can be confusing. It's strongly encouraged to not use the term "bioplastic", but rather "biobased polymer".
Oh, compared to "normal plastic" it degrades quite quick... then again, compared to "never" any rational number is quick.
C'mon governments, what's wrong with you? You wouldn't trust a corporation? Then again you expect people to trust you, so why am I even asking.
Biodegradability is not only theoretical. The plastic is made of compounts like (poly)lactic acid that most bacteria or fungi break down easily using native enzyms that are part of their heterofermentative pathway.
@@azkiin601 Yeah, it is biodegradeble indeed, but it's not that fast as normal compost. It's prohibited to place these bag into compostable waste in my country by the way.
@@remetremet They were never allowed here either, but thanks to a stupid "all bags must be recyclable" law a few years ago they killed those bags here as they are not recyclable... Also plastic bags while recyclable are not accepted in our bins either. I would gladly have accepted biodegradable bags that take 2 years vs ones that could take a few hundred.
As you correctly point out, this whole scam routine for “new world-changing” products is completely formulaic and you can tell that whoever is behind it all has studied the pitch down to the finest detail. Once you know the template you can spot them a mile away.
Exactly
And of course, there's a full line of consumables attached to keep the money flowing...
Capitalism baby. Where success is measured not by the usefulness of the product you create, but by how much money you make.
@@michaelwhitaker4372 You forgot to mention "fast"... I agree that the goal is quick money, get a hook into the wallet, and address concerns as they come up. Look green, but people won't verify. Hire the best lawyers and marketing available. Did I mention lawyers and marketing? Maybe double that ;-)
@@michaelwhitaker4372 not even by how much money you make... How much money you rise
As an active composter and worm daddy lomi really grinds my gears.
Funny how they cut up perfectly edible food and put it in that glorified trash can. Definitely reducing the carbon footprint! They never think that just buying and preparing what you will fully consume. Would help much more than anything else.
I mean, kicking in the teeth of the shipping industry would do more but I feel you
probably because they want to advertise this to gullible people who think they're saving the planet by using a high energy consumption "composter" when in reality they could've done better by just finishing the plate, like most parents used to say
it still infuriates me watching clips of people either so privileged or stupid (possibly both) just throw away *barely touched food* and use the composter defense when argued
I have rats and chickens as pets. I get eggs from my chickens, then use the rats and chickens to recycle food. What they can't eat become compost.
@@exxelsetijadi5348 this is why I don't listen to environmental activists, the majority don't know anything about what they talk about
how funy they bought an expensive blender
This was your best use of comedy clips so far. Each one added to your point without being repetitive.
.... I waited too long for Capt. Pilchard & Commander 8-bit.
The biggest surprise was not one clip of Elon Musk. 😂
@@my3dviews I'm a con man or maybe i'mma God, zoomin' round' the planet in my hyper loopin' pod
@@pseudomemes5267 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I hate that clip. 😂
@@pseudomemes5267 I think he actually says "car man", but yeah, "con man" is more fitting. And I'm pretty sure it's "I'm a god".
It is kinda sad how those scammers rip off people with their "inventions" while actual engineers who work on solutions to actual problems don't get a fraction of that because they are spending their time improving real things instead of making fairytale scammer videos.
Those actual engineers should quit what they’re doing and find a cure for stupidity.
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@@MyDuckSaysFucc and old saying goes...
You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
There will always be scammers...the sad part is that so many people's brains are so switched off that they can't even apply high school level science
People love to be sold a dream.
Took me only 5 min looking this thing over in my kitchen to know thunderfoot was going to have a field day with this. The very next day you post this video. Called it!
Never mind I'm behind a year, CRAP!
Seeing all these projects being repeated really makes me question the critical thinking skills of people
Kinda explains a lot of things going on in the world.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize that half of them are stupider than that."
@@johnr797 that's the terrifying bit. I love the old adage "they have more money than sense".
its everywhere not just on kick starter like sites. I have seen the same 100 or so memes from the 2000s make their cycles on 4chan to reddit to youtube to tiktok back to youtube.
People for whatever reason always think they are the first to something.
First time, eh?
You, sir, are doing hero work.
He's doing god's work.
Since he doesn't believe in god, that's a good thing, as otherwise it wouldn't get done at all... ^^
I like that, may borrow the phrase for some of my own convos, haha.
Saving our money and lowering our carbon footprint.
if only humans werent so dumb in the first place to fall for this type of shit.
i'm so glad he's back to normal, from his political hot takes. he sounds so much happier again
Ironically, there already exists a device that achieves (almost) everything they promise. It's called a worm composting bin.
Came to comments to say this. Does everything they claim, but better, smaller, cheaper.
exactly
You could sell worms at a profit if you package them in a sleek, white plastic shell
@@scrimmybingus4871 No, no, no... it has to be something *hyper* and *pod* related. You know, *hyper pod worms* or so...
@@RustyDust101 iWorms?
Get a dog, they will compost just about anything you leave on the floor. It will deposit fertilizer in convenient pre-measured pellets, depending on the model.
We have chickens
they deposit two types of pellets
One is fertiliser and the other you can eat
My dog used to deliver logs.
@@sepez He got potty trained or....oh no.
I eat my food
Dog turds aren't exactly safe to use as compost directly. Definitely wouldn't use with food
I've run a commercial compost worm farm for a decade and have seen tons of stuff like this over the years. It can honestly be pretty frustrating trying to explain basic composting to people. What I've seen talking to customers over the years is that environmentalism is a religion to a lot of people. Not saying we shouldn't take better care of the environment but we should look at solutions rationally and not make decisions based upon feels. There is lots of money to be made in products which help the environment but this draws scammers. Worm farmers solved the problem of what to do with household organic waste but it has never really taken hold as it involves a small amount of work and most people are divorced from the grime of our natural environment.
Environmentalism is absolutely a religion. If it weren't, if people honestly cared about the environment rather than just being seen to care, they would research the actual effect of the tech they buy. Instead, we have to 'debunk' everything after the fact, after millions or billions have already been made. Hell, the entire "green" industry wouldn't exist if people were not credulous idiots about wanting to be one of the "good guys" all the fucking time. Give people an easy solution to a hard problem and tell them they're a good person for buying it, richest man in history no problem!
@@xabhax I see you haven't yet realized we live in a society. Good luck =)
There's even more money to be made from the kind of people that would buy this product. The ignorant rich that virtue signal with their wallet.
@@Squidbush8563 I'm convinced that most of my business is either selling things for people to virtue signal with or things for them to play the look at me game. I HAD intended to provide environmentally helpful products with value at a good price. But in the end the market determines a lot of what you do.
I was under the impression this thingy was meant for apartment dwellers who don’t have room for compost piles but your comment has the answer to this lomi thing built right in- Worm farms are probably the better solution for indoor compost since worms can be kept indoors, but they require maintenance like a pet so it’s a bit harder. But yeah the “green” world is awash with scammers, and more products you can buy aren’t necessarily the solution
19:57 I can't stop laughing: it's like a cooking show for kitchen waste gourmets. She even prepared the half of the waste beforehand. So, he can slice brand new packaging and perfectly place the pieces in the device. 🤣
That is exactly what this is like.
I've done a lot of composting over the years, and one of the first things that jumps out at me about this process is that you do *not* want to dehydrate the waste. The water content is crucial for getting the decomposition going. Why not just take it to the next step, and incinerate all this waste? At least then, you'd have a very small volume of ash to dispose. I do have to admit though, we generally kept the compost piles *outside*, in a corner of the yard.
Or just use it as animal food , instead of incinerating..
no no no. thats not how things should be done. it makes to much sense. and doing what makes sense is not what you should be doing at all you should be just throwing your money at these companys since that doesn't make sense and if it doesn't make sense your doing it right.
Right? That was the first thing that made me go "say what?!" as well. Why would you dehydrate... you need the moisture and fungus and all the fun stuff for the composting process :s
They’re not actually doing anything remotely similar to composting…they are blatantly lying…it’s just chopped dried food waste that was very energy intensive to produce 😯
That's easily fixed. Once you have Lomid your food and have dry scraps, just drop it in a bucket of water before you compost it. Voila!
My mom had a compost basket in the kitchen and every night she'd empty it in the compost bin out back. Then she'd use it in the garden after a process of transferring the stuff from the bottom and middle into a separate bin.. The eventually decompose into a packed bunch of rotten food. My parents were vegetarian so we only used plant based scraps, egg shells, biodegradable coffee filters, tea bags, etc... I don't understand how hard this is.
And if you add earthworms it's even better!
We have something like that at the end of the garden. A large pile of compost and just throw on the green waste and leftover food (if the hens don’t eat it). Best of all, it runs on free solar energy and gets the water it needs from free rainwater. Then every two or three years you spread the whole mud on the farmland with a spade. And meanwhile, the compost is also very nature-friendly insect hotel and worms like it too!
Oh... Wait... You mean Lomi can't compost the grass and green waste cut in the garden? Are you serious? Wait, I'll laugh even harder.
Composting is smelly, muddy, and there will always be liquids with unpleasant odors and textures in it. The end result will never be a handful of crumbly, dry powder.
We just get the pigs and hens and feed them the food we don’t eat or has gone bad, and if they don’t eat that, it just goes back into the soil.
Nature has already solved this problem with their cycles.
Right because everyone has a yard and pigs and hens to take care of things.
@@Cheepchipsable First word
*w e, as in my family and I*
" The end result will never be a handful of crumbly, dry powder."
Sift it when you're done and let it dry in the sun, and you'll have a crumbly dry powder. Not that you need a crumbly dry powder--it's going to be damp in the garden, and plants don't mind a few chunks.
@@Cheepchipsable Composting worms can do the job for apartment dwellers. No, they don't smell if you do it right. Yes, they will fit into the tiniest kitchen.
Hm. Yeah, my parents' method of feeding food scraps to the chickens continues to make complete sense. (And the chickens appreciate it.)
Thats what we do as well.👍👍👍
Yep, and they make eggs!
Chickens eat human food? I thought they eat the dirt :0
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Im surprised as well
@@emrebennett2857 I am not sure you are serious, but if so I suppose your confusion comes from the fact that they will eat insects they find on the ground and they eat grass, but they pretty much eat everything including fruit, vegetables, bread, noodles, potatoes and even meat. It is a plot point in "The Social Network" that the co-founder feeds chicken to a chicken.
As a trained Soil and Composting Technician, with my own micro-bio assay lab, I whole heartedly agree. The heat of desiccation will eradicate all of the, very desirable, biome of the food waste. This thing is a ridiculous joke, conceived to extract wealth from fools.
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как тренированный специалист по ремонту бытовой техники, я тоже частично согласен. Проблема в том, что люди склонные к сверхпотреблению хотят покупать всякие дорогостоящие отбросы под ЛОЖНЫМ ПРЕДЛОГОМ. Это выгодно производителям дорогостоящего мусора. И чтобы ложные предлоги не вызывали у сверхпотребителей излишней рефлексии, производителю мусора выгодно чтобы потребитель был глуп, тщеславен, необразован и не развит всесторонне.
Что? анус подгорает? Если да, то у меня плохие новости. Потому что это текст-детектор. ахах
Yes ,thats true , the thing is that there are a LOT of fools outside , so this SCamers will continue
Would that make a difference once added to garden soil? It still contains nutrients that can act as a fertilizer. It basically looks like the potting soil or coco coir.
@Fluffy Maximus you are pretty rude. Also if the end product is eco friendly, it doesn’t really matter if it’s not nutritious for house plants, I think that’s an after thought
Hey Thunderf00t, do you have any way of maybe scientifically reviewing and debunking Lomi? AnimalLogic (a science channel) just picked them up as a partner, and I am absolutely ticked off. I bought a Lomi a year ago and within 3 months threw it into the storage shed and finally gifted it to someone else who said they could use it. The thing didn't work at all as advertised, and I feel the energy consumption they listed on their website is a BOLD faced lie. 0.6-1.0 kWh? Especially since I had to run the thing on 2-3 cycles before seeing results I'd use in a planter or my yard.
That comrade is why I never take corporations seriously when they try being progressive.
I absolutely love these BUSTED! videos. They have so many awesome movie clips to tie the whole feeling together perfectly - Thank you so much for making these. I agree 100% with the narrative.
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Normal person: We will email you shortly.
Lomi: Someone from the team is sending an email to the address we have on the file for you.
It's not a regular response, it's a Lomi-response.
Someone from the Lomi-team is sending a Lomi-mail to the Lomi-address we have on the Lomi-file for you
Also desiccating food waste will pretty certainly slow the composting process. The waste needs to be broken down by microorganisms, grinding it to smaller parts will help, but dehydrating just makes everything take longer, organisms need water to thrive, and that includes micro-flora.
the issue is people don't understand these things they only follow what they are told by people who seem smart but are only smart enough to take their money and thats it. Its a sad world that people think they are doing a good thing and still don't realize that everything they are still doing is no better than the latter.
Dehydrating makes it look like plant food to fool gullible customers, while in reality, it makes it animal food. As you pointed out, plants won't be able to get any minerals out of this "compost" until it is rehydrated and broken down by bacteria/fungi.
First they heat everything to kill any microbacteria in it. Then they dry it making it harder for the microbacteria to spread and access the nutrients and also it will take time until the moisture gets everywhere. It's just bad idea from start to finish.
Better idea if you really want to grind leftovers up: just put everything into a large blender with little bit of water and churn it up a little and THEN put it into a regular outdoor compost. That's it.
Also, since they seem to market it as something you can put ALL your food waste in, people probably end up with lots of salt or other potentially harmful substances in the powder which might kill houseplants if "fertilized" with that stuff like shown in the video.
@@alaric_ hows microbacteria different from regular bacteria? ive never heard that term before
idk if you mentioned it in the video but biodegradable plastic (polylactic acid) requires an enzyme to break down normally. I just felt the need to chime in because I saw them throwing biodegradable utensils in the 'composter.'
Vermicomposting is cheap and the smell is actually pleasant, plus if it "breaks down" you can just spend $10 on more worms.
That’s a great idea!
Wow it’s like biology does something and not a small electric crushing bowl.
Wouldn't the regular worms in your soil do the job, too? I know I can't put a pot down on the ground without swarms of earthworms descending on it in a week, especially in the fall when there's plenty of leaf litter about.
@@stormisuedonym4599 No.
@@Humboldtcounty707 Why?
What people pay to not have to walk to the green bin is insane, but the fact it consumes so much electricity is an atrocity
products like these should be banned, the scammer put into jail, and the people that paid money re-funded (and obviously, their product destroyed)
But they still have to walk to the green bin, that's where she said to put it lol
@@95TurboSol well yes. but I guess they have to do it less frequently? Ideally, not at all, if they can use it for their plants and garden, but I guess they dont!
Not having to walk to the bin as often would easily be countered by all the work involved in preparing the waste and emptying the containers etc.
Complicated problem, those people are "adults" where would you draw the line? Can apple still exist? Reminder: They sell 4 rolls for your computer for over 800$. I propose an "adult" card. You get one for free when you turn 18. You can return it to get your debts wiped but then you have to live with foster parents until you earn it back. If you don't have an adult card you re legally a toddler. You can't make big purchases, drive a car etc.
I am SO old that I remember when they banned recycled paper bags for the latest and greatest invention..... the plastic bag!
I have also watched them eliminate refundable glass bottles for the "better for the environment" plastic alternative.
I study history - 50 years before that, they destroyed a forest for Rockefeller train tracks and oil tanks. I don't think people are as much of a problem as the companies that produce USELESS crap for them to purchase.
Bustin makes you fell good :)
I mean plastic bags and bottles would be really awesome if people actually reused them. They can easily be more durable than paper bags or cups, but people just use them and throw them away. So I think that paper is probably realistically better for how much people like to throw things away.
@@Plorpoise The problem is that most plastic products are made purposefully so they can't really be reused. Plastic grocery bags rip quickly, plastic soda bottles can't be properly cleaned out and so on. There is also a lack of infrastructure to support re-use. If you go into a store to buy a drink you have to buy it in a new bottle, you can't just bring your own and fill it up at a fountain.
All of this comes back to the plastic companies that the first poster talked about: When plastic became very big during WW2 for military purposes the manufacturers had the issues of making way more plastic after the war than they could sell, since a lot of it was reusable. So they invested heavily into marketing the idea of plastic as disposable. A good example of this are the red solo cups.
Plastic bottles were sold as better for the environment?! When, how?
@@Plorpoise what was wrong with recycled paper bags and glass bottles? the very same people who were out to save trees caused the biggest environmental hazard in all of history, why? cause they couldnt leave well enough alone
@M W It was also it the 80 and 90 too, i remember educational commercials saying you should ask for plastic bags instead of paper in stores for the sake of the enviroment. Of course the adds did not mention that they were paid by the plastic companies.
Thank you for this. I keep seeing the Lomi ads hoping I’m wrong about the “too good to be true” voice screaming in my head about it.
“What do I do with the SOIL it produces?” Its not soil. You have paid a lot of money to dehydrate and grind the waste, only to, at best, throw it into your garden to be rehydrated again.
And on top of it. a t 3:44 they show kid putting plastic utensils and other junk in it. to be blended up before put in flower pot as compost. LMAO YES lets introduce more microplastics in soil. the wery thing thats poisoning earth thanks to green idiots who wanted to save trees and pushed governments to approve plastic as alternative to paper some decades ago when every shopping bag was paper
@@CC-vv2ne The utensils and junk are made of corn starch.
Got the ad for this product during this video. Love the people complaining about smell. There is a reason that composting is generally done outside and not in your kitchen. The nice thing of course is that when it pumps all the humidity into your air, you can run one of the magic water from air devices too :-)
Yes, the smell comes from the literally steaming pile of garbage in your kitchen.
They keep trying to reinvent the wheel but somehow keep making it worse than what already works.
And people are still going for it…
Here's a tip. EAT the food, don't throw it away. They describe "normal" outside composting as tedious.. In what way is it tedious? You don't have to supervise it.
It’s marketing team speak for “don’t think! Buy now! It will r e v o l u t i o n i z e your life!”
i genuinely thought this was just a shitty stew pot at first, but no that would make too much sense
Exactly. Most of the stuff they show as "waste" could have been made into stock
Yeah just eat the banana skins.
@@theoneandonly6969 well, you could. Jordan Peele did in his "continental breakfast" skit. He bit into it sideways. 😂😂
Perfect review. When I started seeing these, my bs meter topped out as well.
It's been a while since i studied horticulture but wouldn't the desiccated "compost" also require a shit tonne of water to re-hydrate it and make the nutrients contained available to the plant?
I remember that potting medium can dry out to the point that it becomes hydrophobic and takes a lot of time and effort and/or applying soil wetting agent products to get it back to the point where it holds actually retains water again.
_"to the point that it becomes hydrophobic"_
Ooooooh.....
That's why all my plants die!?
Good composting takes weeks of heat and moisture. During that time, off-gassing during rot occurs. Naturally. These people are using cultural hot buzzwords on gullible consumers to take their money.
With these LOMI type devices, don't need a toilet too much anymore.
I can just fire off a deuce and take a leak in the LOMI. There you go, hydration added.
Yep, i just knew immediately from composting and gardening for years, that this was bull. I don’t even have great technical/ academic knowledge on the subject of the water/ heat processes but I’m fairly well versed in biology. You also want that sludge, and you want to give all those beneficial microorganisms time to colonize! Composting can never be an overnight process no matter how you look at it.
Well, presumably it will be in outside gardens and can be re-hydrated by the rain.
Wow i hadnt realized I was doing something so revolutionary by composting my food scraps outside and putting them in my garden each spring.
In Germany, we have a word for what this basically is: Symbolpolitik.
An act that tries to look like it's solving problems when it actually isn't doing anything, maybe even causing harm.
Isn't that pretty much all politics?
that is sooooooo funny. political sybolism, with a con artist sort of meaning. hmmmmm sounds like the US right now ;)
Like the Atomausstieg
was just watching Coffeehouse Crime, one of my favorite true crime youtube channels, and to my horror they had Lomi as a sponsor for this latest episode :( I told him how much of a scam it was and referred him back to this video and Im really hoping he sees the comment and actually takes the time to watch this, as small as that chance might be
Yup that's why I am here as well. The whole thing is a scam.
@@NotTheAverageGamerz haha oh wow you too? Damn I really hope Adrian sees this >.
I was just watching that too! I had to stop and check back to this to make sure i wasn't mistaken but sure enough they got him
same
oh no! I'm here because good mythical morning got sponsored by Lomi too ): sounds pretty on paper but thankfully there's channels like these to clear up scams.
I study microbio and have worked in a few soil ecoloy labs, dry unprocessed plant matter is about the singular worst thing you can use in a soil medium form of soil enrichment. As it, like you said, takes a very very long time to break down into form that is bioavaliable to microbes, symbiotic insects and plants. What these machines create is essentially no different from the fresh topsoil organic matter that functions as a physical barrier and as a habitat for organisms, it would be as useful as dried leaves.
Well yah, it has to rehydrate and THEN break down. You'd have been better off just chucking it in before dehydrating it.
Like what is even the need to have this compost soil in 24 hrs? Building a garden or planting is usually a planned activity. I thought that compost took a long time to generate, so good to know that's the case.
Both larger and microscopic organisms require water to break it down anyway, the idea of essentially boiling off the water first is the definition of insanity.
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I mean you usually only salt the ingredients you actually use, not scraps, in other words if there's a large amount of salt in your bio waste you are throwing away too much stuff you shouldn't. But you are of course generally right.
This is so fun : “Lomi is so much more than the food dehydrators out there. It uses completely new patent-pending smart sensors to preserve microorganisms through the biodegradation process to create a microbial rich, nutrient dense dirt. It is also the only home kitchen appliance on the market that can break down Lomi Approved bioplastics!”
Have you contacted Lomi to discuss the Lomi words you're using in that comment about Lomi? Lomi staff are always interested in the public's understanding of Lomi and are happy to provide Lomi approval once Lomi engineers, Lomi materials scienticians, and other Lomi technical and administrative staff who make up the Lomi family have had a chance to perform the Lomi-approved Lomi review process.
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I thought you were joking but they did actually put this paragraph out. They're either too stupid to know their product is worse than useless or they realise it is but are just in it for the money. It's just awful.
Thanks you Thunderf00t for teaching me the way of thermodynamics, you made me a great engineer who understands thermodynamics. Thank you for being a real scientist doing real science.
I have what are commonly referred to as chickens, ten hens, and they will eat just about any kitchen waste, pigs with feathers, and they compost it all quickly and continuously.
"Damn hippies, just tell them it's healhty and nautral and they would buy it"
-Thunderf00t
Can you please make a kettle that feeds a dehumidifier that feeds back to the kettle? Thanks
What an amazing idea! I'm going on Kickstarter to sell a green energy efficient water sterilizer that boils water for a few hours and dehumidifies it, it'll be so much more efficient than a filter!
Three years to put a food processor and a slow cooker together - geniuses...
Just fyi- keep veggies scraps in a silicone or ziplock gallon bag. When it is full, add it to water. Spices, lots of salt and cook down. You have broth. Keep bones from meats in the freezer, and you can make chicken, turkey, etc broth.
Sorry Thunderf00t, but I taped one of these to the back of my DeLorean to use instead of Plutonium so definitely better for the environment
I'm on board for CNG from food waste.
The ending was hilarious where they admit themselves that you can just throw it in the trash. How close can you get to admit being a scam without actually saying it?
16:48 “Sweet! OK!" 🤣🤣🤣
HELP HELP !!!
My Unit Smells!
ROTFL;)
Reminds me of some comedian, can't remember who, who did a bit about the marketing of baking soda which includes the idea of pouring it the trashcan to reduce smell -- essentially "Buy our product and then take it home and throw it directly into the trash, then come back and buy some more!"
@@JMartJr think it may have been tom ryan, and might have been pouring it down the drain instead of into the trash. you can find a clip by just looking up comedian baking soda, i thinj
if we wanted to make food more carbon friendly, invest in more efficient agriculture and supply chain technology/techniques. throwing responsibility to consumers is the opposite of problem solving. otherwise we wouldve solved the plastic issue 30 years ago from recycling.
If you want to reduce the impact of your food consumption (and you're ignoring all the collective/societal/political changes that would be more effective), the number one thing you can do as an individual is to STOP THROWING SO MUCH AWAY. Want less waste? Stop wasting stuff.
And invest more in labratory-grown meat.
Do you know that the USA does not recycle plastic? We just store the bales in a warehouse for up to 10 years, then we bury in a desert. I say we, but that isn't my job.
@@hugehappygrin you think that's bad, but in my country we buy plastic trash from other countries and just dump them in random rainforest clearings and rivers. Shit gets multiple stories high and stretches far and wide
At least yours tries to make sure it's locked out of the environment.
@@hugehappygrin I feel like food waste isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, thrown to a compost pile it's feeding bugs and other animals. the amount of carbon emissions from food waste is negligible especially considering plants consume carbon emissions. plastic on the other hand is a major problem because the stuff that is recyclable really ought to be recycled, but I always see the trash guy throw my recycle bin in the same pile as the other trash.
I should look into Lomi, because my high tech composting device currently malfunctions: It used to produce an egg about every day, now it's more like every other day. I call it a Hen®. As a bonus, it also produces a kind of compost, an incredibly rich and condensed fertilizer!
More seriously, for the first time last week, my compost pile has produced several hundreds of black soldier flies. This happened after I recreated the compost pile switching the bottom and top layers and adding donkey manure in the middle. A week later, I poured a basin of gray water on top, and I was amazed to see a good hundred of black flies crawl up from inside the compost pile before going back inside to feed or more likely lay eggs, since the adult flies don't have a mouth, only the voracious fat- and protein-rich larvae do.
BTW, the product of these glorified kitchen dehydrators is in no way compost, because you need to add the water that you removed for it to properly compost. The heating process also killed all the bacteria that would have helped compost it faster, although this dry matter will quickly get inseminated both from the air and from the compost pile where you drop it. Still, it is a pretty wasteful and pointless process. It would be much better to ask your city for better waste management. I personally use 6 recycling containers, 3 in the house (food scraps + paper/cardboard, regular garbage, and a mixed bag of batteries + small electronics + expired drugs), 3 outside (glass, metal, other recycling such as plastic bottles).
I plan on melting the little aluminum I use or can retrieve for later use, and I am toying with the idea of grinding my glass waste into sand, using only renewable energy, of course.
I'm not sure but if you put cooked food in this machine and put the result in the garden, you will grow a huge family of rats.
What about the plastic knife and fork or that plastic iPhone case that they put in. That’s gonna help those plants taste good with the toxins from the plastic in the fertiliser.
I love how they spent *3 years* designing a glorified blender
that they didn't take the sticker out of that says to remove before using.
Many American & Canadian homes already have a device in the sink that blends up food waste & other organic garbage. The sewage system transports the blended waste to the treatment plants, where it can be recovered & turned into fertiliser or fuel for waste-to-electricity generation.
@@PARTUM_QUANTICLE they put plastic forks in there too. plastic made out of bamboo and some eco friendly materials you could compost but not a lot of plastic is that sort of stuff.
Um, excuse me, it's a blender _and_ a dehydrator.
Made out of plastic. Just to add a cherry to the top of saving the world
Nice job. I started a small compost bin ( large plastic garbage can ) which I've been adding to for 11yrs and counting and I've never taken anything out of it, not even turned it over, just keep throwing veg/fruit scraps in it and in the summer I throw in what I scrape off the lawn mower bottom. It's like a bottom less pit. Maybe I can sell that idea, the bottom less pit compost bin.
Same here! It was half full when I bought the house in 2010 and just keeps eating.
Recommendations: Keep it as oxygenated as possible by either spreading it out or using mesh (I'm sure there are more ways). Also, have a connection to the ground soil so organisms from the ground soil can easily enter.
1000 years in future. We found a weird Peet bog. Lol.
Where I have seen this, oh wait my backyard has one too :-)
Posted this link to another RUclips channel using lomi as an add. Great work. Your back checks are appreciated. thanks
Thanks Thunderf00t for another bust. I just bury my food waste in the backyard garden, using a hoe to break it up a bit first. It's great for the soil, no electricity required. And it's free!
You find it more useful if you gutted the thing so it was just a shell, take it outside and added your food waste to the top, and use the draw at the bottom is were you could collect your compost from the bottom! 100% energy Free!!! Oh wait, gardeners already have that, it's called a composter!
Thunderf00t: You might want to scope YT channel "Wall Street Millennial" for the video "Whatever Happened to The Boring Company?" --- He's an okay chap - treating the issue from a business perspective ... but you might have some comments for him to help him along ... Just a thought ... (and glad you busted Lomi) ... Cheers ...
Thanks for your video, I was just about to buy the lomi on their 2 week trial scheme, I thought something wasn’t right about it when I show that there’s a huge waiting list, so I decided to see what information I could find about it and I came across your video. Saved me on losing almost half £1k, much appreciated.
What I'm curious about is how the Lomi's output decomposes. The big issue with landfills ofc is that bc there's so much waste piled up, it creates an oxygen depleted environment, where the waste is broken down by anaerobic bacteria that output more methane than aerobic bacteria. From the marketing material, it sounds like part of the whole Lomi system includes populating the waste with *some* kind of bacterial culture to help it break down and blah blah marketing speak. So say you use it to break down some waste that would otherwise go in your regular trash bin, and then dump it out in some unused corner of your yard, where it decomposes the rest of the way through aerobic bacteria, including those that were added by the Lomi. How does that math balance out, potential climate impact of non-renewable energy going into the machine vs climate impact in methane generated from that same amount of waste in a landfill? I wish this video had gone into *that* calculus. I also wish we could get the Lomi's output into the hand of some kind of soil expert who could analyze it. I want to know what strains those bacteria are, what they do in an aerobic vs anaerobic environment, what it does with compostable plastics (which usually cannot be composted at home), etc etc.
P.S. I also wish this video had made it more clear when it was talking about criticisms of Lomi specifically vs criticisms of other crowdfunded kitchen composting systems. I usually listen to videos as I work, and I found that most of the time the cues for this were mainly visual, which makes the video much harder to watch.
Also, how is the math affected if you're on 100% renewable energy?
@@williambergmann641 So true...
I did the math in another comment if you can find it. This video gets it very wrong. Seen as an entryway to composting / alternative to landfills, Lomi reduces per capita carbon footprint by about 89%. Thunderfoot badly fucked this up with hot takes and zero data. Based on his comments at 3:00, he has no understanding of food waste emissions or the importance of composting
Thank you! I’ve been so confused how he’s ignoring the entire point of composting at home.
@@Sami522 This. Is. Not. Composting.
As someone who has been worm farming since 2011, and doing other composting methods for years, this kind of stuff really bugs me. Not only does it show that they don't know what compost is but also they may put people off from the idea of composting altogether.
Worms FTW
I just started worm farming last year. My plants love the fresh compost, and the worms love my leftover vegetables. Its been great so far. Simple solutions for the win!
That's the thing with food composting; whatever new system you make has to now compete with all of the natural world, where entire vast ecological niches exist specifically to break down every type of organic matter that exists into usable energy. You have to be very effective to outdo worms, who have been doing this for 200 million years and have gotten pretty damned good at it.
I can't deal with worms (I get the heebie-jeebies), but I'm lucky enough for black soldier flies to lay eggs in my composters. Those suckers are pigs.
they know what composting is. they know that what their devices do ist NOT that, still they use this in their shady marketing scemes.. these people are not dumb.. these people are simply dishonest scum.
21:39 At my house, we have a worm bin. Put your food scraps etc in it, and worms do the composting for you.
dont give them ideas, they might start selling...
Lomi Worms hahahaha
Considered it, researched it, saw your review of it, left it.
Thank you, saved me £500.