Why Throne and Liberty Is DESTINED To FAIL
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2024
- After 90 hours since early access launch I have thoroughly enjoyed every minute playing Throne and Liberty! But there is something developmentally wrong with this game that will lead to it's failure, and it has very little to do with swiping.
I'll play this until they turn the lights off. Very fun game.
Agreed, let's enjoy the fun while it lasts.
Look at that guy gameplay after 100h like he say 😂 The struggle 👌
Right. Making all kinds of different builds and the possibilies are endless. I just wish the cash shop wasn’t stuff for real money. At least let us trade with our guild members.
I love it how nowadays when games drop from 300k players to 100k players the game is labeled as ''dead'' immediately... whatever
I was pleasantly living in T&L bliss through leveling and into my purple gear grind then defended a boonstone with the guild and got steamrolled for 20 minutes. A good chunk of my guild has full time players but it wasn’t even close. I can totally see top guilds becoming a monopoly on the game experience unless some changes are made. Dungeon rewards need to be more rewarding for ALL classes so people want to run them more often as well.
The dungeons are already like that. You just done see that.
@@NerdySan I’m talking about having a hard time finding a healer in a PUG for a dungeon that doesn’t give loot beneficial for the class. Loot table should be larger IMO. Unless it’s a guild only run that has been a bottleneck in the dungeon queue.
yesterday at night one of the top guilds was just camping the entrance to ants preventing anyone else from coming in.... I got a glimpse into the exact problem you are talking about. The best thing to do was just not go do pvp. How is that fun for anyone?
They are doing it at nighttime tho When pvp is activated. wanna avoid it fully while going to ants you can. Its called grinding during the day time. Only pve only andys see the issues this guys talking about.
Skill Issue
Its a PvP focused MMO. Thats all you need to know. Its all the same: server with alot of guilds die off due to inactivity or losses, people migrate to 1 or 2 guilds with maxed out numbers, content gets overrun with little to no rewards for other people, toxicity of the tryhards and console players ensue. Then the casuals come to say that there is no point even trying and tryhards come to say that people just whine/you want to dumb down the game/etc. Its happened multiple times before, but people on RUclips will defend it until the day they die.
Console players arent toxic whatever do you mean dear sir
pve got to be on par at least, games who put PVP over PVE almost always fail, see the downfall of Destiny.
@@nestroit5010 why are you just blatantly lying? Destiny failed because of the exact opposite. They literally cut off support for pvp for like 2-3 years and released abysmal pve content for years. The pve players ruined that game non-stop complaining about the wrong things sending death threats to devs over a little titan thrust. Destiny players are embarrassing and that's why their game is dead
In this game most players are leveling to be plankton for the few whales. You can already see the OP Guilds from KC server leading Global servers by a huge margin.
😂🎉real life IS the same and you cant complain 😅
@@onlywrongaexthetics6181but games don't need to be real life especially not an mmo bc they're the most unrealistic experience.
I play for fun then move on . That's it.
same having a blast rn espically with all the players rn
@@xzeraCSsame
weird people playing 3 diff games per week reg
The one thing that I can see making a lot of players quit is the new level 50s wanting to switch weapons later and finding out how much extra work it will be
Can you switch classes in other MMOs ? No. I don’t see why this is a problem here. You pick a class in the beginning and commit to it. Simple as
@@paronator6550 i guess he means "switching to a better weapon" that has me preocupied too, as leveling the traits seems rather expensive.
you can make a new character and make it better with the things that you've learned, you are allowed to make three in every account and because leveling up doesn't really take that long I don't really see that as a problem that would make people quit
@@paronator6550 Sort of. In other MMOs you can simply switch by making an alt class and sharing gear/resources to quickly get it up to par with your main. In T&L you are heavily locked into one character role since the only thing you can share between your account is Lucent. This really impacts one of the main features being experimenting with the weapon combination system.
Switching is daunting with so many layers of progression. 13 pieces of equipment to change, traits, skill books, and weapon masteries. So if someone ends up not liking the weapon class they invest into, they may just end up quitting instead.
@@paronator6550Final Fantasy XIV you can play every class and crafting job on 1 character.
So New World all over again with the guild system lol
Its more an updated lineage 2
Few hours before of this video's release I had deleted the game because of realizing that is gonna be the issue. I was in the rank 2 guild and I saw the rank 1 guild had already tripled the score of our guild in 2 days (f2p server). So after checking the rankings and knowing how the guild system is I immediately deleted the game.
Give them time as soon as people start complaining, they will take notes and do something about it
Right now is stability of the servers the game just came out
wise choice
@@javierpadilla9672 no they won't, it's be like this for a year in Kr
@@javierpadilla9672 I don't think they changed anything on Korean servers so odds are that nothing will change here
I agree, we're currently on Amos and Idk if its happening for other servers, but theres one guild...one with 5 different branches. Each of them are maxed out with players. While that is probably fun being apart of it completely RUINS the idea of competing. And the way the people operate as a whole....no ones gonna rise to fight them, at most 3 groups would form max number guilds and join with the 5 as an alliance. And for other servers, Im almost willing to bet that if this isnt happening, then the top DIFFERENT guides are playing under the same banner. This type of system just doesnt work anymore. Ppl arent competitive anymore.
In NAE, the servers whisperion, las lan and magna, are dominated by a handful of guilds with 5+ branches. On Magna it's a guild name focus. They have like 7-10 guilds. On Whisperion it's a guild called Sigma. They have 7. On las lan I haven't been to but I heard they have the same problem. And Ironically, the early access servers that had streamers in it, are good to play. The streamers pushed out these mega guilds out because they did the same thing and pushed them out.
Dude i just started playing a day ago and im on the whisperion server........tell me youre kidding ??? Cause i HATE guilds @deustauries
This game is what Guild Wars 2 should have been. It doesn't coddle it's players, a breath of fresh air imo
Wdym gw2 is the best out of here chill, if you want to tryhard you do legendary strike quit the game and you can comeback
Quite enjoying the game so far, let's see how this goes. Time will tell.
So am I! It’s wonderful
Most the people I play with just do dungeons and don't really care about any of this. PVE casuals don't even know half the systems around guild v guild endgame and chasing 5 percent better gear to do...what?
We already know more pve dungeon stuff is coming, that's the draw, not pvp for some BIS weapon to do more pvp
Pve will eventually get stale, no fun in doing the same dungeon or kill same mobs in open world again and again. Until new patch in like 2 every months. PvP and fighting is what keeps mmo alive longer.
@ElvieNight Well, most of us pve players only play for about a month try out other games come back for a month repeat.
@@neoconker2k8I'm a destiny player and this is my new go to game when I run out of things to do in my main game every week or month
@k5hi59 Nice, I used to play Destiny a bunch. I kinda gave up after The Final Shape, though it was great .
But yeah people act like it's the end of the world when they run out of content , as if there aren't millions of other games to play and enjoy haha
@@neoconker2k8 yeah everyone always no life's the shit out of the new games until they burn out. A good game of this genre is one that you can play often for years. If you play it like a Halo 2 speed run then of course you will get upset. They aren't built the same.
The game is fun when you're leveling, doing some co-op dungeons for the first few times, and completing exploration quests and events. It's that general "I'm experiencing this for the first time" phase.
Then, you realize you can't really participate in the main content without being part of a large, competitive guild (like guild siege or world boss conflicts).
Next, you notice that you're getting trashed by players with well-geared groups, making it hard to enjoy open-world PvP or the arena.
You can't even get drops from the peaceful world bosses because you don't have enough gear to make a significant contribution.
I think the main problem right now is the daily routine-it becomes boring and repetitive too quickly.
I would love to see an enemy faction in the game that would randomly attack castles and appear out of nowhere attacking players .
That would be awesome! I’d like to see limits like a guild can only hold a position for a week or so then is ineligible to hold it again until a monthly reset or something. Give more people a chance.
@@gizmo6606 On that point, one way would be to allow several attacks happen like the same day, and balance it around the fact that attacking is harder than defending. Just the right way, so controlling 50% of the map would be a crazy feat. If you make it so global domination doesn't let you farm as much as others, it would be a great way.
Sounds like balaur in Aion
@@arifbykr4552 Yes sir right on the money and Aion was a great game . I’m surprised NC soft hasn’t taking ideas from Lineage 2 and Aion and implement them to throne and Liberty being that it was suppose to be Lineage 3 .
Guilds are going to kill it. Once the no life mega guilds get the monopolies on the event bosses you wont be able to keep up as a casual.
Fear not my friend, Bartz Liberation is there to tell you that no dictator guild can hold a server xD
its a mmo in its infant stages. i fell like these games take awhile to reach there potential. loving the graphics
Game does not really have enough content to do and everything is gated which is meh.
Wtf are you.talking about? Straight up you have never played this game. Has more content than most MMOs currently out lol. Fuck off
It's an on growing mmo lol tf you think they gonna jus stop creating content ? There's already a large expansion otw
You sounds like u haven't played much cuz it's just not true
I cant do anything they restrict everyhting with time, dungeons, guild application, events, items, even character deletion. Pleass respect your own time and dont rely to this company
I totally agree with you, once the honey moon phase end for the people who just look for new MMOs and play them for 1 or 2 months then go back to their main games, that alone will nuke the player base and we're already seeing servers getting fully dominated by alliances so that's not 70 people but 140 or more and just today so many guilds moved servers.
I've never seen a game where being Hardcore and active is mandatory, many players joining chill guilds they are getting the worst experience of their life during Conflict events, and adding to that the fact that the only PvE content is mindless grind or 3 dungeon runs per day where the bosses are literally target dummies.
In my opinion they really should invest in a solid and engaging PvE content to the level of WoW or FFXIV or Lost Ark to maintain those players who doesn't care about PvP otherwise it will turn to a small niche game with a very small community not being able to do any sieges or anything just like New World
"The p2w guy will lose if he is outnumbered" Wow incredible, guess there is no problem afterall if you just have to dedicate way more time and outnumber them to win.
That won't happen though. A fully kitted guild of 70 will dominate a bunch of undergeared players even if they reach the hundreds 😂 Unless you have an equally competitive guild that isn't an ally to the first guild, you're not going to beat them regardless of numbers. While numbers are important, it's useless if you aren't in a competent guild and equally geared.
Literally the only thing that'll save this game is if they give players the ability to cash out Lucent for real world money. I bought the 20 dollar pack. Unlikely to spend more real world cash on it, since I'm really just here killing time before DUNE: Awakening releases. And even then, I'll just be killing time until the Horizon MMO is finished and ready to release.
That's the problem with PvP focused MMOs, they'll always get the sweats that will dominate the open world and the casual players (which will always be the majority) will just get tired and start leaving. WvW in Gw2 is imo the best large scale PvP in any MMO because of how it is designed (it could be better, but no other MMO has come close to make a large scale PvP that can thrive for years like Gw2). For now just enjoying TL until the end-game burn out begins xD
Throne and Liberty literally has zero forced world pvp. What are you smoking??
This is what you experience exactly in game Tibia. MMORPG with 27 years online.
Throne and Liberty feels like Guild Wars 3 in a LOT of ways. That said, GW2 this was the case in World Versus World, with guilds dominating and servers dominating. Much has changed in the way they formed the pool of servers and such, but still. I don't think it will be the downfall, and certainly not the end of the whole game. I think they really have a shot. It is a great game. It did ALOT right that I still don't hear anyone talking about.
Right now you see guilds allying left and right, but your gonna see it's gonna be the number one guild in the server against the next nine runner ups.
New world PVP war had the same problem where the best company owns the server literally they can set stupidly high taxes and own every territory. In the case of new world Bonzai company went on to dominate every popular server as they allow server transfer which means the strongest company can spread to multiple servers
i saw shroud kill 5 people alone ,because he has bis gear p2w so this vid did not age well in just 8 days .
Game peaked at 150k players and suddenly spiked to 300k when all of a sudden the chat is infested with gold trading bots
Interesting
it peaked at 330k on oct 1st tho? legit the first day it launched
Lost ark and New world peaked 1 million 💀
@@joroc yep LA peaked 1.33 million, 1 mil more than TL lol
"suddenly spiked to 300k players"
Totally like the actual none early access version of the game came out, surely it must be the bots and not the games real launch, surely
these clowns with these narratives need to be stopped lol
I hope you see this Gizmo! Basically I’m on a server Magna Na east, and there is a guild called focus prime, they own 9 top guilds in the server, the top 3 “prime” farm kills and guild wars on there other lower lvl guilds and basically have the monopoly. Anyone that gets involved with pvp loses to one of the 9 or so other guilds that they have. We actually don’t know what to do. And I love pvp but not, it feels impossible to fight.
The game has so many flashbacks to old mmorpgs. Especially ncsoft old lineage 2 but to many toxic pvp systems.
Just got to endgame and I cannot for the life of me figure out shit, it's like I need to commit my entire being to this game to be able to accomplish anything. Rather just play something else which is more understandable.
I like the game. It’s very fun to play because of the events and team dynamic. However, the combat to me is a little janky. I never really know what the hell is going on on my screen. I just spam healing and hotkey through my guild mates names. But, I just never really know what’s going on and the big guild fights seem like these big clunky clusters of animations and then I’m thrown in the air and CC’d for 10 seconds lol. It just feels bad honestly. I tried arena thinking smaller scale would be better, and it is but it still feels slightly off.. idk what it is. I just don’t really like it. PVE for me is great, I can get along fine with the controls and the feel as a range character. But yeah, the pvp system and combat to me just feels bad to play
I've said this in the past myself. The game is janky even with more AS and CD it still feels janky, probably because it was a borderline mobile game. The TL fan boys come in to defend the game like it's their profession when you poke at the combat.
I played NCSofts Aion for years and most people didnt care too much for the Legions that were dominating the server, like capturing the keeps and getting their own dungeon for more PvP items ect
I completely forgot about Aion! I played that a ton as well
The early stages of Aion was so good, when it launched it was such a great game.
I’ve been playing for a week. I enjoyed it a lot. Just hit 50. Feel completely over whelmed. Can’t beat any level 50 dungeons, can’t get gear I feel like the only thing I can do is contracts and stare at pay wells. I’m not even close to the content you’re talking about and all I want to do is quit…..
I'm not trying to come at you as hostile. I think that you created the narrative that only one guild will always dominate the server but never explained why.
Why can't several guilds fight for the top spot?
I have played many MMOs and it's always at the very least a handful of groups fighting for the top spot.
So I don't understand this worry that only one guild will dominate forever and all other guilds have no chance.
It doesn't have a prescedent.
Again, not trying to be annoying, just wanted to give you my view on the topic and your video.
Exactly if 3 guilds create an alliance that top guild will lose lol
@@Onechanzetoliveyea but the top guild has alliances too
@@glockiR a whole server vs 3 guilds either way I think it will be hard to stay at the top
It’s the whole rich get richer my guy. If the smaller guilds can’t win they get no rewards ie they can’t compete
The trade shop literally uses premium currency you can't trade anything else and you can only trade certain stuff it's trash.
Ive already made enough to get the battle pass from selling stuff on the Auction House. There is no need to swipe your card at all unless you are impatient.
MMORPG's are always best when hot. Enjoy it while it lasts
I never pvp in MMOs so this all sounds like an issue I’ll never see. I just play solo and level. Once I hit lvl cap I’ll probably stop until an expansion or something comes out.
Lol you can get lvl cap in 3h
@@TheRetristno u cant? maybe if u have people helping u sure
@@xzeraCS i dont know 3h bu i have seen ppl hitting max within 5-6 hours no problem. It dorsnt matter if it is 3 or 6 hours for mmo it is still really quick and game just starts at 50 lvl.
@@xzeraCS btw if you plan quit after lvl cap i dont know why u playing, for story? 😂 dont waste your time, play something else
wrog game for u then bruh go to genshin impact
True I enjoyed game I and my friend were in active guild , but as soon as we had to go back to work at workdays and only could play at weekends and 1.5 hour - 2 hour per day they starting kicking us out. Also after hitting 50 it become really grind and kinda feel easy to burn out from. All u do look at gear u need for u build and grind for it non stop it feels like there is chill side missing from this game like in other games, like in deapth relaxing life skilling, or house building or some other sort of casual content there is non of that here. There is fishing and cooking that instead of being relaxing is somehow even more painful that grinding mobs .
I think you are right. I'm enjoying the game so far, but I'll probably move on after a couple weeks once I've done all the pve content and progression slows down. I'll come back after big updates though.
same ill probably put like 150 hrs into it then chill until a big update aswell
Heres my Opinion on the game so far, reached 42 as Tank so far, so no i didnt get to 50 just yet.
Although what i noticed so far, i would not describe the game as a MMORPG in the early leveling phase, i cant say much about after 50
What i can say tho, is that the grind to 50 is mainly questing. Which is ugh-okay. But for somebody who hates questing with a passion it its torture.
From my personal opinion and from other game expierence a Tank is not supposed to do mentionable Damage, his job is to hold Aggro, take incoming Damage, active blocking and Buff the group, so the concept of tanks dealing decent- to massive amonts of Damage is contrary to me personally.
I would prefer a Alternative system that pays off exp/hour wise. However i am aware of the fact that every game is different with their playstyle.
What i would like if game sends you as level 30 to a level 40 zone, you dont see any light there whatsoever- so solution is you group up with ppl aka dps healer tank setup and slaugher your way towards the quest objective and back. That is my definition of a MMORPG in regards to pve. Which does not seem to be effective at all, again in a exp/hour cut.
What i noticed in my tank gameplay so far, is that taunts/provokes count as debuffs- as they should, yet they count as debuffs also for dps classes. So it is very likly that some random dps which is not in coms or does not pay attention takes the aggro off from a Tank which should not be the case.
Aggro should work as a kind of Excel list
Taunt = xx Aggro created
Heal = xx Aggro created
Dps = xx Aggro created
Using a active taunting/provoking Debuff for Dps seems just wierd to me.
Where i also disagree is that the game forces you to join a guild, that should be a personal choice and should not throw you into a selection of random people that you dont even know / never played with before.
If anybody wants to know where my MMO knowledge comes from mainly, a game called Dark age of Camelot
Unfortunately, people believe WoW is the standard for MMOs which in fact they aren't. WoW will always be the Playstation version of an MMO. They have completely stolen from EQ1 since it's inception. As over the years they stole things from EQ2 as well(including a dragon race, wow token, class fantasy, & the number of skills for each class). The way you described how this game with guilds reminds me of how EQ1 used to be in a way. I'm just glad there is something different for once besides WoW to pass time.
So if shroud who is a p2w needs like 2-3+ guys who play this religiously to take him down, on average, that will mean you will need at least 200 guys to take on a full active guild of 70 players ? I wont see that happen.
Thanks for the video! I was on the fence about this game but didn't know much about it. I can tell now it's definitely not for me.
I for sure think you're right. I play it cause I have fun with it. I'm never gonna have top gear or be in a top guild. I'll likely never spend a single dollar on the game. But I'm having fun and it's more enjoyable to play than anything else right now. When it does die, I'll move on and find something else to play
Absolutely 1000% agree on all points, exactly what I said on stream and everyone agreed.
First of all, P2W in this game, SO FAR, barely gives you a 5% advantage that people can catch up to in a week or two.
The massive guild focus might kill the game since the majority of the casual playerbase that keeps the game alive is not going to care about hardcore-ing guilds for PvP, and the game doesn't really have much more content than that, I do hope they spam more PvE uncontested content so the casuals stay and maaaaaaybe try out PvP.
This is exactly how and why amazing games like ArcheAge died, a handfull of people take over the content, your average casual player gives up and quits. It was fun freefarming servers till they emptied out and transferring to the next one, but horrible for the game's health.
Only solutions I can think of is to remove allies, limit guilds to 40 members and if you wanna recruit more you become a separate faction hostile to everyone else, and add a raid invite mechanic. Pugs rising up to contest the top guilds and giving everyone the chance to do content without having to sweat a guild. Having 500 people sitting outside of the conflict zone while a 50man guild is freefarming a boss is dumb, kinda need to hold their hands and make em group up and contest.
What is the math behind 5% advantage and how do you quantify that?
@@KAJYT6969 everyone heard that number from Shroud so its now the number everyone uses for their point. But as a player myself, I do not see any Pay2Win issue or it being unbalanced.
@@KAJYT6969 it's based on very scientific math equations called "feels about that amount"😂 thing is, the cash shop itself offers almost 0 advantages, in a week since launch I passively made more than enough lucent to buy both premium battlepasses, and I almost regret purchasing them instead of cosmetics. I'm not in a big guild or anything, random social guild for the xp and always running solo or with 1 mate.
Buying lucent itself to use in the AH is the *big issue* with P2W, which atm won't give you much of an advantage over someone that knows how and what to grind for. Farming for the right drops and traits is annoying but not impossible as a f2p. Buying em off the AH is obviously easierand faster, but you can still just grind lucent if you're f2p, by swiping you're just getting a quick advantage and just capping your progress faster.
Lastly, if you P2W lucent to buy stuff off the AH, you still need someone to sell them. If anything, big guilds keeping end game content on lockdown are a bigger problem than p2w since they'll be the ones making the big bucks especially early on
@@IcyZinHD again, how do you quantify 5% advantage? You so far have not provided anything to back that claim. Keep in mind that traits are the most important thing at endgame which we arent at yet. Once guild vs guild content happens, you will understand why it is a much bigger deal. Yes, lucent can be earned, but it is extremely timegated and like you said, painful. I don't see how you can possibly throw a number on something you yourself haven't even done.
@@WickedDKS the problem with this is that shroud thinks just because some things are timegated pay to win is automatically not a thing. Its a complete oxymoron because in KR you can completely skip the timegates which a lot of KR players have complained about and there are much bigger progression issues that we will have later down the line if they dont dripfeed the content as promised
I use to be the leader of several TOP guilds from other MMO's and believe me when i say this ...I HATE GUILDS . Its just like having a JOB. You have to be so committed...i use to be THAT guy that gate keeped casual players from dungeons , trust me its no fun on that side of the fence either. Its not fun anymore when it feels like a job. I got kicked out of MY OWN GUILD cause i didn't log in for 4 days......yes its that serious 😅
Yeah, getting zerged at an open world boss as a solo player is ass. Or pvp in pub dungeon. I don't have the free time to make guild activities. Also I do not like that guild controls drops from bosses.
I totally agree, i love this game ive been playing it nonstop but its so guild dependent, alot of the end game content is locked unless you do the guild achievements, not even guild wars with guild in the name of the game was this guild dependant.
A declining player base it totally normal for every game, so your conclusion is correct, but i think you overestimate the amount of time people are really willing to put in a game to compete with the top 1%, which also is probably only correct for PvP.
I think if people are going to quit this game, it's going to be for the very reason why they quit Lost Ark, because it's a chore fiesta in which you do your daily tasks, your daily dungeons and then leave. I am curious if TL will move in a different direction. I see potential in the PvP department, but New World had that too and we all know where it ended.
I personally don't care if TL fails, we have so many games to play, it would be just another one on the "whatever" list, although i personally wish for it to be and stay successful, because i enjoy playing it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙂
There’s not enough skills and customization on build gets way to repetitive
Capture and holding points in a Guild Vs Guild battleground would be dope. Idk if that exists already though.
I agree with you.
One aspect about this matter is, how are going to be the next dungeons.
They need to involve skill more than gear, they also need to be a way to acces some of the best gear without having to fight pvp or suffer from taxes and stuff like that.
They need to developpe side jobs, which is also a way to suck up ressources from those top guilds, like cooking right now.
They also have to work around how a guild dominate a server, limiting it's overall domination by making it extremely hard to just monopolize everything, like, you can only chew so much right, and I actually thing that having small rosters of 70 people is great for that. If a guild of 70 people has to defend 3 territtories at the same time, then they are done for. Right ?
I played a french game "Dofus", guilds could gather extremely high wealth but there are so many ways to be rich that it doesn't matter, really. But the game has an incredible amount of content too..
Right now, the map is kinda small, there aren't that many ressources, lifeskill ways, or even ways to play the game in general, and that's a problem. But hey, he is young.
Issue is guilds aren't limited to 70 players. One guild can own 7 guilds as branch guilds, now they own 7 riftstones. This is a flawed game. However, I would suggest that if the defense was limited to a number of players you could bring, then it's more fair. A competent guild could win a 5v5 matchup, even a 25v25 etc. I'll give you an example from today's match. Our guild was attacking to take a riftstone from the rank 5 guild as rank 23...we lost miserably, due to numbers and gear, was about 50 of them vs 20 of us. Imagine now, if the number 1 guild had the next 9 ranked guilds as branch guilds with better gear and more people. This is how flawed the game is unfortunately.
TL is juste ELYON with a new name
A Much Needed Refresher. I Stand With You, My Wise Friend. Be Well!
I just want a PVE mmo. No pvp. Archeage 2 supposedly will be pve focused 😅 hopefully, i really liked that game until the whales started blocking trade cart routes 😢 The pve in that game was phenomenal, owning homes and paying taxes, farming, trade caravans, the high seas...and illegal farming in secret places hoping no one would find your banana trees 😂😂😂
Sounds like healthy competition to me 😂
There the only issues i hate, lack of healer 😂, if you solo player this was quite a hassle beside random player doesnt understand boss mechanic, buff food and skill issue, small combat power, etc. The only solution is just Go join a guild and ask your guild member to run frequently together 😂
Yeah what you say makes sense but if you look at kanons interview with Amazon they talk about server merging if 1 server gets unhealthy. If you ever played last war (mobile game) its 100% pay to win and 1 guild controls the whole server. The server i was in was at war all the time with top guilds and alliances but in the weekend when cross server battles came up everyone usually tried to work together. Or work with other other server to take down the top guild. Made for very fun and interesting gameplay. So i think itll be fine as long ad they monitor and make changes as they said.
There's already a top griefer guild in my server. They actively take over world bosses and have a party of top pvp player who's job is to just kill anyone who get into the world boss area
sound like sumone used all their abyssal token and don’t have anything to do hm hm hm hm hm hm hm yeaaa he def used all his tokens
Got 12k just chilling :)
@@gizmo6606 ohhh you lucky
I think this issue will be a problem, but only for a minority of players - specifically for people interested in high end content and more specifically for those interested in PvP content.
Truth is that all of this will not matter to people who play the game casually or just enjoy dungeons. I honestly kind of think that if the game handles it well, it could even be a draw for people - there will be phases of dominance, but if I've learned anything from the mobile games I play all big clans/guilds/whatever are doomed to fail at some point and mostly this happens because there is an alliance or another group working to bring them down. It's fun high end pvp content, something this specific type of player has craved to see executed well in MMOs for a long time. I for one have been on the popcorn side of things in these conflicts for a few years now, and it's always great fun to see the big guilds fight each other. Those few hundred players will change, maybe a few times a year. Thats enough for the high end PvP people and some content for those who aren't interested in that.
It'll have it's incredibly stifling phases for the people participating, but thats part of PvP. It's not really possible to create a system that doesn't include this, that is why content like that will attract relatively few people in general/for the long term. If large scale PvP exists, there will always be phases of dominance.
I think Throne and Liberty's survival will depend on two factors: Keep the PvP hardcore people happy by providing enough opportunity to topple big clusters and keep the casual / PvE people happy by not making the gap between high end PvP gear and high end PvE gear too big. A 5-10% difference will frustrate some people, but to most people it'll honestly not matter at all. It's a lot more important to keep the content fresh and I think if handled well, PvP really is the right thing to have to do so. It's always somewhat exiting because it's player driven content.
I dont like the combat in this game and the antialising is also bad
lets hope they can combat it, you have a great point, never tought of it and never was aware of it.
As far as I know alliances crushed in Korea constantly the best guild on each server.
The drop rates should be increased for gear by at least double.
The pvp guild bosses should be pve with restrictions to other characters visuals, just copy FF world bosses or like the portal systems with other bosses they already use in the game.
The events should offer better rewards, maybe purples gear lithographs to craft the gear.
Restrictive time gated dungeon runs.
PVP night cycle is a good touch.
Open world dungeons should have timed themes with more rewards and level scaled.
Currencies or materials should be condensed way to many.
Easier to switch weapons and level different skills or more character slots.
I doubt they do much and for anyone saying it's fine just look in the gaming graveyard of the past few years, keep your eye on The First Descendant.
For me it's amazon managing these games and having all the money in the world but refusing to give certain elements of the community playable servers
i agree, i love this game but in SA there is a streamer that has a tons of guilds and he is ruining the game experience for a lot of people. i hope they figure out how to improve that, i really dont want this game to die :/
Interesting point. I think if they can keep a balance of pvp/pve it would help with the longevity of the game. While pvp is a big picture item plenty of people are enjoying doing the pve side of things. As long as you're not a min max kind of player I think you'll be just fine not getting things that are controlled by guilds, like Arc weapons.
I have seen competitiveness thrive the most in these scenario of guild dominations, guilds with 10 branches all filled with players in other mmos losing their dominance to alliances created in server.
Black desert online lasted with one guild controlling them all for 7+ years.
BDO is a better game across all metrics tho
Two things #1 i agree with you #2 the pvp alot of ppl lately are getting tired of pvp every game does not need to have pvp
As I like a casual PVP I find the combat clunky. Skills not well connected the melee is cringe not so smooth And only xbow can consider it a viable weapon . Already has 60k loss and steam charts did not make the great boom but we shall see what will happen .
This is actually pretty profound. I never even thought about this. I think you are spot on. kind of like if a professional team had to play against a minor league team everyday.
How does this affect players that dont care about PvP? I feel like this is a PvP problem which is about 5% of the MMORPG population or less.
Because the entire end game here is PvP sadly. The main point being castle sieges and arcbosses. Someone who isn’t doing PvP will never participate in end game. They will only be in the loop of the same 5 dungeons.
@@gizmo6606 I see, that's a shame. Hopefully they release more PvE content. Most PvP focused MMOs tend to die out, because they are impossible to balance.
So why didn’t this happen in KR for a year? The game was in a way worse state as well. I’ll wait.
Talking about this subject and not mentioning that you can have alliances (4 guilds per alliance) is a little a weird. It's partly on the player's shoulders to create a healthy competitive environment on their server. It's also a very politics driven game, at least in the first couple weeks/months. If a guild is trying to run things alone they are gonna get run over by 200 people when the other guilds get tired and ally up. The concern is valid, but I think you're missing some pretty key information. This game tends to be at least a 2 to 4 way fight between the big alliances (8-16 guilds)...
I haven’t done any PvP yet and I’m having a lot of fun as of now 😂
The worst part is, these top tier guilds that are at the top 5, the leaders and guild members are literally from the KC servers, which means they DO NOT want any "new" players even near themselfes.. new people to this game are screwed and that is not even dramatically written here.. Guilds should have other mechanics in my opinion and more options for new players aswell..
I am currently seeing this in my guild. As a f2p player I’m barely keeping up with the swipers. They require at least 2 hours of activity each day and minimum contributions. They have zero tolerance for participation and want nothing to do with “new” players to the game.
@gizmo6606 Exactly, a game is there to be enjoyed with the community, it shouldn't feel like a 9 to 5 job. These people are toxic as hell
I've read that this game is not solo friendly so it will definitely die not sure why games try to force you to play with others (or get your friends to play a game they dont care about) I don't care if it takes me twice as long let me do content solo
Im curious as to how you came to this conclusion. I don't really have an opinion I guess cause I don't have the information to come to a valid conclusion. So I guess what examples or past info are you using to conclude on this? I kinda hope the game tanks sooner then later if its going to, in hopes they take the community input and make the changes. Overall its a good game. Lots of room for growth, like BDO was and now is. The world is by far the best MMO world iv been in. Dynamic events are a cool twist, night time pvp and all etc... Some complaints are valid but overall this game is solid. With the life skilling was more fleshed out. Maybe one day. Or we just hope Ashes can deliver.
The game is cool, but there isn't much to do in it.
The downfall will be pvp. I understand, its a pvp game with pve content...but, archeage failed, and its in the same vein of games, focused on guild pvp. Zergs suck, no balance, and the most geared will always win 😂 Dont get me wrong, ill play til im bored, but this guy is right.
i was thinking the same today but this logic will only apply to a small percentage of the player base imo
So, New World ?
I literally had no idea about all of this. Was having a good time but just instantly uninstalled and not touching this crap again. Thanks for saving my time
This is 100% the biggest problem
He says servers dominated by 70 people. As if that was true. it's 280 people.
You’re kinda slow huh
Thanks for this, reminds me of Diablo Immortal
The fact this game has tons of small group and solo content kinda fixes this issue though. World bosses will get dominated by a guild but that’s only the conflict ones. There’s peaceful ones too, there peaceful events and arranged small group PvP events. Dungeons, guild raids. There’s plenty here that doesn’t involve GvG large scale combat. I believe NCsoft did a great job adding more than guild PvP
Sounds like the same as every other MMO
I think who say TNL IS A PAY TO WIN GAME, HE HAVE SKILL ISSUE 🤣
This is just "New World" all over again. All the details on why the game will fail that you have mentioned has happened in New World. Game design is exactly the same.
So TL is basically L2 politics but in a newer version. Whoever played L2 knows it.
But missing all the good parts of L2.
Before watching the video. Is it because it offers nothing new and unique?
You failed to describe what "control" or "domination" is in terms of guilds.
Als as a mediocre guild, why would I want to compete with way better players?
There needs to be a platform where equals can compete with each other and also a platform where the inferior guilds learn from the better guilds.
i'll say to these people controlling the server : get a godamn joooooob!
xd
You got a point.