I can tell you for sure. All you need is the E&B filter. I used E&B filter on my Bialetti and on my cheap no brand moka pot. The filter definitely produce a significantly better coffee from your moka pot. I can never use the normal standard filter anymore. E&B filter is THE ONLY UPGRADE YOU NEED. Just get your moka pot SOP/routine/recipe/technique down to produce a result you like. Then just change the filter. I can assure you that you will be pleasantly surprised by the result.
Does anyone know about a Mokapresso? There is this guy I think from Thailand who has been putting videos on RUclips on his modification of the Moka pot and fitted a portafilter espresso basket in it. In his video, it seems like he is making espresso from his modified moka pot. Just try and search for Mokapresso on RUclips, and you should be able to watch his videos. I think he is also selling his modified moka pot, but I am not sure about the pricing. Maybe you should try and order one and test his Mokapresso. If it truly does produce espresso or very, very close to espresso, it would be revolutionary. That modification of his might just kill the espresso machine business. People won't need to buy expensive machines to make espresso anymore.
Thank you. To save money, I purchased the original Bialetti Moka pot with the E&B replacement filter at the same time instead of buying the E&B Moka pot setup. This approach cut the total cost for me in half. Great advice.
There has been a sad truth that although bialetti is the one which created the moka pot, e&b lab makes it even better. In comparison, the superfine e&b lab filter outweighted that of bialetti, but personally i think by using 2 aeropress filter( one at the bottom of the coffee bed, wet, one on the filter, dry) will definitely work as if there were e&b lab filter or a puck screen for espresso machine. Overall thanks again Matteo for such a great video about how everyone can upgrade that very coffee maker into something delicate. Wish you all the best.
i'm curious, why use a filter at the bottom of the coffee bed? won't the water evenly distribute throughout the coffee as long as the grind size is optimal?
@@kiyoponnn the theory is that it serves the same purpose as an espresso machine group head shower filter to give a more even and controlled flow of the water as it travels up into the coffee.
As an experiment I got a filter paper and cut out a circle out, by drawing around the silicon gasket. I held this down by pressing down on the gasket with the up turned basket. I wetted the paper before placing it over the metal filter to keep it in place. This gave a smooth tasting coffee and cleaning the machine was a breeze. I have now brought a box of aero press filters which fit.
I just received my E&B Lab 6 cup Moka pot. Made a few trial runs and mistakes as well. Firstly I used the same grind setting as with Bialetti which resulted in channeling. Obviously Comandante C40 (Red Clix) with 34 clicks was too fine for IMS competition filter. The coffee puck showed evidence of cracking. Then fine (coarse) tuned my grinding to 40 clicks and seemed to work fine. I also think that temperature wise this heats up more quickly. The first shot ended up sputtering as I let my guard down. In the end I managed to pull a decent moka out of it that was probably stongest coffee I've had with a moka pot. It wasn't bitter or sour just super strong. I think this is a good product and produces excellent coffee once you master it. ☕️
Happy that at the end you got a good coffee. Yes the product is good and as everything, you need to get used and know the pot. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Your moka pot videos are the best. Now I consider getting such filter. But even more interesting would be comparison of Bialetti filter + Aeropress filter vs E&B filter + Aeropress filter
Hello Mateo, I have a 6 cups bonVIVO Intenca Moka Pot for a few years now and have been looking for improvements ever since. After relatively disappointing attempts with a Bialetti Brikka Induction, I came across your channel. Based on this video, I bought an E&B Competition filter for my bonVIVO pot for 21.20 € + 2.95 € shipping inner Germany. I have to say that it was the best decision and the best way to improve my coffee. By using the original more thicker sealing of my pot it's working perfectly. The extraction is already good with paper filters, but in my opinion the taste is even better with the Competition Filter. The filter is also more sustainable and protects the environment. Thank you for your great videos. I join you here and can recommend the E&B Competition Filter without reservation, not only for Bialetti Moka Pots. Greetings Roland
Hi Matteo, thanks for another excellent video. I've been using a Bialetti moka pot with E&B filter for over a year and I agree that the results are really worth the upgrade in terms of the cleaness and taste profile of the coffee in the cup. I'd had my Bialetti moka pots for several years and have recently purchased the E&B Lab 1-cup ands 3-cup moka pot. The one immediate difference I note is that the E&B filter and silicone gasket is a better fit in the E&B Lab moka pot and is slightly easier to remove for cleaning. Thanks again
Totally agree with what you said. The silicon gasket is very good and has you said easy to remove. I remove it even under water with my fingers. Thanks for the comment
The comparison I’ve personally been waiting for. I’ve been thinking about getting an E&B filter for my Bialetti 6-cupper but always wondered if they were worth it: here in Canada, they cost more than the Moka pot! For reference, my Moka Express cost $36CAD 18 months ago ($52 now!!) and the filter is available here for $38CAD. But, for the last 6 months or so, I’ve been using an Aeropress filter per your, James Hoffmann’s and a few others advice. So I guess the next question is: does the E&B filter make a difference when using an Aeropress filter? Does the Aeropress filter on a stock Bialetti make coffee just as good as an Aeropress filter on an E&B filter? I’d love the results of that test too. To go even further is it just as good to use an E&B filter, no Aeropress filter, vs Bialetti filter with an Aeropress filter? If a “naked” E&B is as good, then I could dispense with using an Aeropress filter all together. I just re-read the above. Pretty convoluted. More simply, I’d love a test that compares all four possible combinations: Bialetti, naked; Bialetti/Aeropress; E&B, naked; E&B/Aeropress. Obviously, the Bialetti, naked is going to “lose” in such a test, but it would be nice to see what the differences, if any, exist between the other 3 combos, using the naked Bialetti as a reference point.
You raise a good point. Anyway AP filter works very well. Thanks for the input for new contents. One think I can tell you is that even if E&B lab filter has smaller holes, it will let pass through more fines compare the AP filter. One positive thing about E&B Lab filter is that regulates better the flow and reduce the change of channelling. But the tests you suggested are to be made! Thanks again for the ideas
@@matteofromtheswamps I think that a metal filter comparison video and how the interact with paper filters could be a great idea. Not just E&B competition moka filter vs aeropress fine but maybe also the IMS ultrafine steel aeropress filters. At 35 microns maybe these could get closer to the clarity of paper, but then again maybe it's too much pressure for a mokapot! Thanks for the great work :)
I was looking for these online about two weeks ago and couldn't find them because I didn't know the brand name! I stocked up on Bialetti screens so won't be upgrading this time around. Great video as always. Will stick with the AP filters, I like that they also protect the gasket from oils which seems to increase their life substantially.
The David Chipperfield Alessi is my go to. It's just wonderful. The E&B gives clarity at the expense of depth and mouth feel. We're making moka not espresso.
Hullo Matteo - just a quick thanks for making this video. If nothing else it shows that the moka system is more sophisticated and adaptable than people think. I’ve got a few questions though if you don’t mind; Firstly, When comparing the E&B with the Aeropress, don’t you need to take account of the fact that paper filters also absorb the coffee oils? Second, The amount of reservoir water that gets passed thru the coffee basket is also dependent on the position of the basket’s tube in the water. (One way to test this is to weigh the water that reaches the top-section). Essentially you really should have carried out this test using two identical Bialetti setups where one had the different filter. Thirdly, the E&B has its own gasket which may or may not be apt for the Bialetti body. In my (very limited) experience, the ‘fit’ of the gasket can be decisive. This is especially true with s/s-inox pots which are pressed rather than cast&machined because you don’t always get a ‘step’ that accepts the metal filter. Ultimately the gasket has to ensure a pressure-tight seal between four surfaces. I’m sure there was something else, but for the moment I’m tempted to get the E&B-6 for my Brikka-2 4-cup.
The Bialetti larger holes will allow the finer ground particles to pass through hence the grittiness. You need to grind according to hole size to get a better comparison. Thanks
any kind of grinding will produce fine particles, smaller than these holes, so you will just get a watery under extracted coffee with grittiness in your mouth
I make my moka using a standard filter plus a paper filter (aeropress filter). Seen that these E&B lab competition filters cost the same as my moka pot I do not see the reason for trying it out. I recently got a 3 cup alessi moka pot. I am stunned by the fact that the Bialetti 6 cup moka pot produces a coffee thát strong that your teeth almost fall out, where the 3 cup produces the perfect strength moka. Talking about filter holes we should instead be talking about coffee to water ratio in the moka pot cup variants?
I wonder how the e&b filter will stand up with time … meaning cleaning and oil clogging of the filter. Yes, I should do I full clean each time, but usually only on weekends 😂 A presto!
That is a great point. The positive thing of the filter is that is made of stainless steel so it can go in the dishwasher and dishwasher can unblock holes in case of clogging. Also, honestly I never had problem with clogging.
Hi Matteo. Thanks for your review, I decided to buy one for my 3-cup Bialetti and I've like it so far! Also, I was wondering if you know if the 3-cup E&B filter fits the 2-cup Brikka? If so, do you know if it improves the performance of the Brikka in any way?
Hi Matteo, this was an interesting experiment. Using different filters for your moka pots. I'm always looking for new or alternative ways to improve my morning coffee. You have show me a few techniques on your other videos. This was one too. I will be purchasing an E&B LAB filter. I expect they also sell silicon gaskets. I did though want to know the brand of diffuser you used in this video. I could not make it out from the video. You give all the equipment used save the diffuser. I travel quiet a bit and sometimes where I stay there will be an induction oven. This looks like a solution. Thank you.
Thanks so much for the support. They should sell the filter with the gasket included. When you say diffuser you mean the WDT tool with the needles? You can't find it because it's a 3D printed tool that a friend of mine made. Bit if you search on amazon WDT Tool you find plenty on the internet
@@matteofromtheswamps Hi, I mean the metal heat plate (diffuser) you use on your gas stove. I need it to use on an induction stove. As the Moka pot is aluminium it needs ferrous metal between to it heat up. I just like the one you use. It is the brand name I'm after. Thank you as always.
I have a 2 cup stainless steel bailetti moka and the diameter of the filter plus gasket is 55mm, so aeropress filters seem to be too big. Just ordered a 53mm diameter stainless steel mesh filter with 0.15mm holes off eBay for £5,80. I hope that it will emulate the E&B one and will also be reusable!
Hi Matteo, thanks for the video! Do you know if the 3cup E&B filter will fit a 4cup Moka express? I’m planning to get my first moka pot and am unsure between the 3 and 4 cup
Hi. Thanks for the comment. I'm sorry but I cannot help with this. I don't have a 4 cups at home so I never try to see if it can fit. Regarding the moka to buy, do you drink coffee on you own or you make coffee for 2 or people?
Awesome to find this channel, Matteo! Would you say that the Bialetti with the E&B Lab filter makes a coffee which is just as good as the E&B Lab moka pot (of course with the E&B Lab filter) ? I regularly use a La Pavoni and a 9barista. I pulled out the moka pot for travelling and discovered that in fact it is capable of a really good coffee when paired with specialty beans. I’ve been alternating it with the aeropress which I use for a longer drink. Thanks, and keep it up!
Correct. The filter and the gasket is what makes the difference. I always wanted a 9barista! Moka Pot is a great device, the problem is that only a few people in the coffee industry try to explore it and making a device good for specialty coffee too. That is my goal
@@matteofromtheswamps thanks for the reply! I will get one E&B lab filter ! The 9barista is a fantastic machine, it makes truly delicious espresso! I believe the reason why the moka pot is so often looked down at is the fact that it’s one of, if not the most unforgiving coffee makers. Requires technique and that’s the charm of it! Totally suitable for specialty coffee also in my opinion! Have you ever used the Bialetti Cuor di Moka? It looks so brilliant in that it prevents the machine to overextract ! I wish they still sold it!
@@stemazzo84 I saw cuor di moka. The problem there is that not every coffee in the world is roasted like the Illy one. So take away that flexibility in extraction. If you use a light roast coffee than you cannot get more water to extract enough sweetness to balance the acidity. But I have to say has an interesting concept.
Thank you for the video! I have my Bialetti pot and seeing your videos with the E&B I've been wondering about upgrading/replacing mine. Having the Bialetti, is it worth getting the E&B or is it okay just to get the E&B filter and silicone gasket? Does the "rest" of the E&B pot make that much of a difference/improvement to replace the pot?
Thanks for the comment. I can tell you that filter and silicon makes the difference. I now use bialetti with E&B Lab filter and I love it. I think upgrading the filter is fine enough to improve the moka brewing quality
Ciao Matteo, vedo che usi un diffusore invece che la fiamma diretta, cambia molto? che marca è? anche l'anello dosatore della dimensione del portafiltro della moka hai qualche suggerimento?
I find nothing on their website : I have 3 cups and 6 cups bialetti moka pot. I maybe want a 2 cups moka pot or "1 real cup for classical occidental" aka espresso size. I dont find if for E&B Lab their 1 cup is a 1 ristretto ?? Or 1 espresso ? Seems 1 ristretto with your video. (so the 3 cup give 1 espresso and 1 ristreto, like the bialetti 3 cups.)
They don't sell directly, they have distributors. Ristretto and Espresso are terminology for Espresso drinks made with an espresso machine. This is moka pot, they talk about cups, but not measurement cups. 1 moka pot cup is around 35 to 45 ml of beverage
@matteofromtheswamps ok that's funny! I tought 1 cup is around 1 ristretto! But 1 moka pot is between ristretto and espresso from espresso machine. And it is not clear I think... Sometimes I try 1 espresso (I live in Belgium) and I have 4 cl, sometimes seems 5 cl. I think ristretto is around 2 cl?? I never see it in Belgium. Anyway, by the way I bought the 3 moka pot filter for my 3 cup bialetti! Aaannnddd I did not feel a difference?? I compare classical bialetti with paper filter VS classical bialetti with E&B filter. Maybe I can try my bialetti upgraded with paper filer? But I think it is useless now??
Great video! Can u give me some info about your gears? Is that a 3 cup moka? The filter is 57mm diameter? If yes, what about the black funnel you used with the stirring needles? Is it compatible with both 3 cups moka filter and coffee mchine arm (58 mm)? Because I can only find 51, 53 and 58mm funnels meant to be used with coffee machine arms.
Hi, thanks for the details on the E&B filter. The question is, is it worth getting the E&B filter for my Bialetti, if an Aeropress filter can do the same job?
Hello Matteo, thanks for all your helpful video’s. Can you tell me if there is an aeropress filter this fits the 6 cups bialetti? Can’t find it anywhere.
Have you tried texting them on Instagram? Maybe they can help you to find them. I never tried the stainless steel Grosche. The Bialetti one works good in my opinion.
Hi there. They don't do a 2 cups filter, but I think the 3 cups filter it fits the brikka. I need to try it. Now I'm away from home, When I came back I'll try to remember to see if it works.
@@matteofromtheswamps Thank you for your answer, I am sorry to have asked this period, I assume you are on holidays so enjoy! By the way after a little research on the e & b website I found out that the 2 cups brikka bialetti needs the 3 cups e & b filter (based on their dimensions cited in their website). When I receive it I will come back to write if it really fits
@@spydellas6512 no worries at all. No I'm not on holiday, just working away. I was 90% sure it was working with it, now after you checked I'm sure 100%. Thanks for verifying that with me.
@@matteofromtheswamps Dear Matteo I just received the e & b lab filter, thank you very much for the tip, indeed it's a significant upgrade for the moka pot!! I can now confirm that for the 2 cups moka pot , one should buy the 3 cups e & b competition filter. (Now I have to figure out the dimension of the e & b lab competition filter for my 4 cup brika hahaha, always a problem to solve! btw e & b has 2 cups filter, actually the have 1,2,3 and 6 cups filters..)
@@matteofromtheswamps Ciao Matteo, just to point out that “e&b lab” is now also offering the competition filter for 2 cups’ moka pots. I own the Bialleti Fiammetta Induction of 2 cups and just ordered that specfific filter (2 cups) hoping it’ll fit my Bialleti Fiametta correctly… It’s supposed to be compatible with Bialleti’s devices sizes. Btw, great video, you’ve a new subscriber here!
Ciao Matteo quick question , i have a Bialetti induction moka 3 cups after watching your video i will upgrade my filter but should i also give the paper filterS a try, btw i have never tried using paper filters for my Bialetti. Buon Anno
Ciao! Paper filter will give an extra filtration and also more resistance. You can get higher intensity and also higher extraction. But be careful because if you grind to fine then the coffee struggles to come out
Hi, well, it depends, Aeropress filter absorb oils from the coffee, the E&B lab filter it doesn't. If you are happy with AP filters, you should stick with that. If one day you want to buy a new filter, I recommend it
New viewer. Can you recommend a Moka Pot for a Glass Stovetop? I’d like to play around with making coffee for my husband. I’m not a coffee drinker myself. Though I might try and make tea in one since I saw a video on that too. 😊
Hi there. Because glass stovetop is not induction, you can use all the kind of mokas. I suggest you to get an easy moka, even stainless steel that is easier to wash. I saw about the tea and I should try it myself. Thanks for reminding me.
It depends, for some coffee I still use paper filter. Usually when I have a coffee that needs more extraction and need to be more clean to highlight the flavours. But in general I don't use it if I want a coffee with more mouthfeel
I am moving away from cookware and anything heated up to make consumables made with aluminum Any stainless steel moka pots you would recommend? (I am new to this way of making coffee- the new generic moka pot I have, I can’t figure out how to use it. 🤦♀️) Thank you 😊
Hi. I don't have yet a video about stainless steel. They will come in the future. I always suggest Bialetti products for newbie. They always work good. You can look into Venus or Kitty.
@@matteofromtheswamps I have followed your instructions for beginner- it spits and sputters for 30 minutes and only half the water is brewed… and then it’s bitter I have tried other directions and sometimes I get a teaspoon of coffee syrup after 30 minutes… I have cleaned it and checked all the things and seems to be clear… but just isn’t working 🥺
@@matteofromtheswamps the inner column of the venus is incredibly delicate, mine snapped off after trying to clean the inside of the moka pot. Absolutely furious.
I know, but you know quality doesn’t come cheap most of the times. If you use the normal Bialetti filter I suggest placing a paper filter to get better coffee
Hello so i have Bialetti 6 cup moka pot and so if i buy E&B filter ( 6 cup size ) it will fit and work all good ? Sorry if this is little stupid question but I’m new at this so i want to make sure.
yes you can, small mesh will definitely reduce the fines but careful that the mesh doesn't create too much resistance because otherwise you could damage the coffee puck
I can tell you for sure. All you need is the E&B filter. I used E&B filter on my Bialetti and on my cheap no brand moka pot. The filter definitely produce a significantly better coffee from your moka pot. I can never use the normal standard filter anymore. E&B filter is THE ONLY UPGRADE YOU NEED. Just get your moka pot SOP/routine/recipe/technique down to produce a result you like. Then just change the filter. I can assure you that you will be pleasantly surprised by the result.
Does anyone know about a Mokapresso? There is this guy I think from Thailand who has been putting videos on RUclips on his modification of the Moka pot and fitted a portafilter espresso basket in it. In his video, it seems like he is making espresso from his modified moka pot.
Just try and search for Mokapresso on RUclips, and you should be able to watch his videos. I think he is also selling his modified moka pot, but I am not sure about the pricing.
Maybe you should try and order one and test his Mokapresso. If it truly does produce espresso or very, very close to espresso, it would be revolutionary. That modification of his might just kill the espresso machine business. People won't need to buy expensive machines to make espresso anymore.
Thank you. To save money, I purchased the original Bialetti Moka pot with the E&B replacement filter at the same time instead of buying the E&B Moka pot setup. This approach cut the total cost for me in half. Great advice.
Correct. At the end E&B lab moka apart from the filter is just a regular moka
There has been a sad truth that although bialetti is the one which created the moka pot, e&b lab makes it even better. In comparison, the superfine e&b lab filter outweighted that of bialetti, but personally i think by using 2 aeropress filter( one at the bottom of the coffee bed, wet, one on the filter, dry) will definitely work as if there were e&b lab filter or a puck screen for espresso machine. Overall thanks again Matteo for such a great video about how everyone can upgrade that very coffee maker into something delicate. Wish you all the best.
Aeropress filter will definitely do the job. I always use them. They are magic!
i'm curious, why use a filter at the bottom of the coffee bed? won't the water evenly distribute throughout the coffee as long as the grind size is optimal?
@@kiyoponnn the theory is that it serves the same purpose as an espresso machine group head shower filter to give a more even and controlled flow of the water as it travels up into the coffee.
@@matteofromtheswamps What size aeropress filter should I use for 2 cup Bialetti Venus? Thanks.
@@fattony9227 The normal ones should work.
As an experiment I got a filter paper and cut out a circle out, by drawing around the silicon gasket. I held this down by pressing down on the gasket with the up turned basket. I wetted the paper before placing it over the metal filter to keep it in place.
This gave a smooth tasting coffee and cleaning the machine was a breeze. I have now brought a box of aero press filters which fit.
I just received my E&B Lab 6 cup Moka pot. Made a few trial runs and mistakes as well. Firstly I used the same grind setting as with Bialetti which resulted in channeling. Obviously Comandante C40 (Red Clix) with 34 clicks was too fine for IMS competition filter. The coffee puck showed evidence of cracking. Then fine (coarse) tuned my grinding to 40 clicks and seemed to work fine. I also think that temperature wise this heats up more quickly. The first shot ended up sputtering as I let my guard down. In the end I managed to pull a decent moka out of it that was probably stongest coffee I've had with a moka pot. It wasn't bitter or sour just super strong. I think this is a good product and produces excellent coffee once you master it. ☕️
Happy that at the end you got a good coffee. Yes the product is good and as everything, you need to get used and know the pot. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Your moka pot videos are the best. Now I consider getting such filter. But even more interesting would be comparison of Bialetti filter + Aeropress filter vs E&B filter + Aeropress filter
Thank you for your nice words and for the idea for a new video! :)
Hello Mateo,
I have a 6 cups bonVIVO Intenca Moka Pot for a few years now and have been looking for improvements ever since.
After relatively disappointing attempts with a Bialetti Brikka Induction, I came across your channel.
Based on this video, I bought an E&B Competition filter for my bonVIVO pot for 21.20 € + 2.95 € shipping inner Germany.
I have to say that it was the best decision and the best way to improve my coffee.
By using the original more thicker sealing of my pot it's working perfectly.
The extraction is already good with paper filters, but in my opinion the taste is even better with the Competition Filter. The filter is also more sustainable and protects the
environment.
Thank you for your great videos.
I join you here and can recommend the E&B Competition Filter without reservation, not only for Bialetti Moka Pots.
Greetings Roland
I glad I could help you. It makes my day :)
Hi Matteo, thanks for another excellent video. I've been using a Bialetti moka pot with E&B filter for over a year and I agree that the results are really worth the upgrade in terms of the cleaness and taste profile of the coffee in the cup. I'd had my Bialetti moka pots for several years and have recently purchased the E&B Lab 1-cup ands 3-cup moka pot. The one immediate difference I note is that the E&B filter and silicone gasket is a better fit in the E&B Lab moka pot and is slightly easier to remove for cleaning. Thanks again
Totally agree with what you said. The silicon gasket is very good and has you said easy to remove. I remove it even under water with my fingers. Thanks for the comment
I'm glad you knew the correct answer!
I love the lady in this video , great work
Me too 😆
The comparison I’ve personally been waiting for. I’ve been thinking about getting an E&B filter for my Bialetti 6-cupper but always wondered if they were worth it: here in Canada, they cost more than the Moka pot! For reference, my Moka Express cost $36CAD 18 months ago ($52 now!!) and the filter is available here for $38CAD. But, for the last 6 months or so, I’ve been using an Aeropress filter per your, James Hoffmann’s and a few others advice. So I guess the next question is: does the E&B filter make a difference when using an Aeropress filter? Does the Aeropress filter on a stock Bialetti make coffee just as good as an Aeropress filter on an E&B filter? I’d love the results of that test too. To go even further is it just as good to use an E&B filter, no Aeropress filter, vs Bialetti filter with an Aeropress filter? If a “naked” E&B is as good, then I could dispense with using an Aeropress filter all together.
I just re-read the above. Pretty convoluted. More simply, I’d love a test that compares all four possible combinations: Bialetti, naked; Bialetti/Aeropress; E&B, naked; E&B/Aeropress. Obviously, the Bialetti, naked is going to “lose” in such a test, but it would be nice to see what the differences, if any, exist between the other 3 combos, using the naked Bialetti as a reference point.
You raise a good point. Anyway AP filter works very well. Thanks for the input for new contents. One think I can tell you is that even if E&B lab filter has smaller holes, it will let pass through more fines compare the AP filter. One positive thing about E&B Lab filter is that regulates better the flow and reduce the change of channelling.
But the tests you suggested are to be made! Thanks again for the ideas
@@matteofromtheswamps Excellent! Thank you Matteo.
@@matteofromtheswamps I think that a metal filter comparison video and how the interact with paper filters could be a great idea. Not just E&B competition moka filter vs aeropress fine but maybe also the IMS ultrafine steel aeropress filters. At 35 microns maybe these could get closer to the clarity of paper, but then again maybe it's too much pressure for a mokapot!
Thanks for the great work :)
Thanks for this comparison. It is nice that only the filter can be changed instead of buying a new pot. I am fine with aerppress filter.
Thanks for the comment. AP filter are fine indeed.
I was looking for these online about two weeks ago and couldn't find them because I didn't know the brand name! I stocked up on Bialetti screens so won't be upgrading this time around.
Great video as always.
Will stick with the AP filters, I like that they also protect the gasket from oils which seems to increase their life substantially.
AP filter yes retain more oils, about the increasing the life of the moka it also depends on the maintenance.
The David Chipperfield Alessi is my go to. It's just wonderful. The E&B gives clarity at the expense of depth and mouth feel. We're making moka not espresso.
Hullo Matteo - just a quick thanks for making this video. If nothing else it shows that the moka system is more sophisticated and adaptable than people think.
I’ve got a few questions though if you don’t mind;
Firstly, When comparing the E&B with the Aeropress, don’t you need to take account of the fact that paper filters also absorb the coffee oils?
Second, The amount of reservoir water that gets passed thru the coffee basket is also dependent on the position of the basket’s tube in the water. (One way to test this is to weigh the water that reaches the top-section). Essentially you really should have carried out this test using two identical Bialetti setups where one had the different filter.
Thirdly, the E&B has its own gasket which may or may not be apt for the Bialetti body. In my (very limited) experience, the ‘fit’ of the gasket can be decisive. This is especially true with s/s-inox pots which are pressed rather than cast&machined because you don’t always get a ‘step’ that accepts the metal filter. Ultimately the gasket has to ensure a pressure-tight seal between four surfaces.
I’m sure there was something else, but for the moment I’m tempted to get the E&B-6 for my Brikka-2 4-cup.
The Bialetti larger holes will allow the finer ground particles to pass through hence the grittiness. You need to grind according to hole size to get a better comparison. Thanks
any kind of grinding will produce fine particles, smaller than these holes, so you will just get a watery under extracted coffee with grittiness in your mouth
Thank you for the in depth review.
Great comparison. Thank you.
I make my moka using a standard filter plus a paper filter (aeropress filter). Seen that these E&B lab competition filters cost the same as my moka pot I do not see the reason for trying it out. I recently got a 3 cup alessi moka pot. I am stunned by the fact that the Bialetti 6 cup moka pot produces a coffee thát strong that your teeth almost fall out, where the 3 cup produces the perfect strength moka. Talking about filter holes we should instead be talking about coffee to water ratio in the moka pot cup variants?
I wonder how the e&b filter will stand up with time … meaning cleaning and oil clogging of the filter. Yes, I should do I full clean each time, but usually only on weekends 😂
A presto!
That is a great point. The positive thing of the filter is that is made of stainless steel so it can go in the dishwasher and dishwasher can unblock holes in case of clogging. Also, honestly I never had problem with clogging.
Hi Matteo.
Thanks for your review, I decided to buy one for my 3-cup Bialetti and I've like it so far!
Also, I was wondering if you know if the 3-cup E&B filter fits the 2-cup Brikka? If so, do you know if it improves the performance of the Brikka in any way?
Hi Matteo, this was an interesting experiment. Using different filters for your moka pots. I'm always looking for new or alternative ways to improve my morning coffee. You have show me a few techniques on your other videos. This was one too. I will be purchasing an E&B LAB filter. I expect they also sell silicon gaskets.
I did though want to know the brand of diffuser you used in this video. I could not make it out from the video. You give all the equipment used save the diffuser. I travel quiet a bit and sometimes where I stay there will be an induction oven. This looks like a solution.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for the support. They should sell the filter with the gasket included. When you say diffuser you mean the WDT tool with the needles? You can't find it because it's a 3D printed tool that a friend of mine made. Bit if you search on amazon WDT Tool you find plenty on the internet
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Hi, I mean the metal heat plate (diffuser) you use on your gas stove. I need it to use on an induction stove. As the Moka pot is aluminium it needs ferrous metal between to it heat up. I just like the one you use. It is the brand name I'm after. Thank you as always.
@@chrisbrewer8929 ah ok. Now I understood. The one I have doesn't have a brand name. it's an induction diffuser 12cm
an e&b filter is the same price as a whole 6 cup bialleti moka pot, so i guess I'm just gonna keep using an aeropress filter for the time being 😢
Well yeah, at the end it always depends on your budget. Anyway AP filters work very well.
I have a 2 cup stainless steel bailetti moka and the diameter of the filter plus gasket is 55mm, so aeropress filters seem to be too big. Just ordered a 53mm diameter stainless steel mesh filter with 0.15mm holes off eBay for £5,80. I hope that it will emulate the E&B one and will also be reusable!
how has it been working out
Hi Matteo, thanks for the video! Do you know if the 3cup E&B filter will fit a 4cup Moka express? I’m planning to get my first moka pot and am unsure between the 3 and 4 cup
Hi. Thanks for the comment. I'm sorry but I cannot help with this. I don't have a 4 cups at home so I never try to see if it can fit. Regarding the moka to buy, do you drink coffee on you own or you make coffee for 2 or people?
Awesome to find this channel, Matteo!
Would you say that the Bialetti with the E&B Lab filter makes a coffee which is just as good as the E&B Lab moka pot (of course with the E&B Lab filter) ?
I regularly use a La Pavoni and a 9barista. I pulled out the moka pot for travelling and discovered that in fact it is capable of a really good coffee when paired with specialty beans. I’ve been alternating it with the aeropress which I use for a longer drink.
Thanks, and keep it up!
Correct. The filter and the gasket is what makes the difference. I always wanted a 9barista! Moka Pot is a great device, the problem is that only a few people in the coffee industry try to explore it and making a device good for specialty coffee too. That is my goal
@@matteofromtheswamps thanks for the reply! I will get one E&B lab filter !
The 9barista is a fantastic machine, it makes truly delicious espresso!
I believe the reason why the moka pot is so often looked down at is the fact that it’s one of, if not the most unforgiving coffee makers. Requires technique and that’s the charm of it! Totally suitable for specialty coffee also in my opinion!
Have you ever used the Bialetti Cuor di Moka? It looks so brilliant in that it prevents the machine to overextract ! I wish they still sold it!
@@stemazzo84 I saw cuor di moka. The problem there is that not every coffee in the world is roasted like the Illy one. So take away that flexibility in extraction. If you use a light roast coffee than you cannot get more water to extract enough sweetness to balance the acidity. But I have to say has an interesting concept.
@@matteofromtheswamps i get you, so its a concept that will rather work for dark roasts
Last question: for a 3 cups Bialetti, I should get the 3 cups E&B filter right ? Not the 2 cup
Couldn't help but notice the "Drug Free" tattoo as you sip caffeinated beverages. haha
Thank you for the video! I have my Bialetti pot and seeing your videos with the E&B I've been wondering about upgrading/replacing mine. Having the Bialetti, is it worth getting the E&B or is it okay just to get the E&B filter and silicone gasket? Does the "rest" of the E&B pot make that much of a difference/improvement to replace the pot?
Thanks for the comment. I can tell you that filter and silicon makes the difference. I now use bialetti with E&B Lab filter and I love it. I think upgrading the filter is fine enough to improve the moka brewing quality
Great video. Just got my Comp filter. Where can I get the black ring you use on the moka funnel to prevent coffee to go everywhere. Thanks
Hi! I got in on amazon, it's an espresso dosing funnel. the one I use for 3 cups moka is size 54mm
Hello! Your channel is great! I wanted to ask if you've ever ordered silicone gaskets for the ENB Lab 3? Or can you recommend something similar?
Hi! Thanks so much for the comment 🙏🏻 I have the gasket with the moka pot. If you order the filter, it comes with the silicon gasket
hmm wonder if the competition filter will fit my 6 dollar Imusa moka pot...
Ciao Matteo, vedo che usi un diffusore invece che la fiamma diretta, cambia molto? che marca è? anche l'anello dosatore della dimensione del portafiltro della moka hai qualche suggerimento?
Hi Matteo, thanks for doing a video specifically for the filter. What size dosing funnel do you use while you are doing WDT?
Hi, thanks for your comment. On the 3 cups moka I use a 54mm ring, for the 6 cups 58mm
I prefer the "gritty" coffee
Hi Matteo, thanks for another great video! How do you like your Black Crank handle for Comandante C40? Is it worth it to upgrade?
Black crank can change your life. It makes the grinding very easy.
I find nothing on their website :
I have 3 cups and 6 cups bialetti moka pot. I maybe want a 2 cups moka pot or "1 real cup for classical occidental" aka espresso size.
I dont find if for E&B Lab their 1 cup is a 1 ristretto ?? Or 1 espresso ?
Seems 1 ristretto with your video. (so the 3 cup give 1 espresso and 1 ristreto, like the bialetti 3 cups.)
They don't sell directly, they have distributors.
Ristretto and Espresso are terminology for Espresso drinks made with an espresso machine. This is moka pot, they talk about cups, but not measurement cups. 1 moka pot cup is around 35 to 45 ml of beverage
@matteofromtheswamps ok that's funny! I tought 1 cup is around 1 ristretto! But 1 moka pot is between ristretto and espresso from espresso machine. And it is not clear I think... Sometimes I try 1 espresso (I live in Belgium) and I have 4 cl, sometimes seems 5 cl. I think ristretto is around 2 cl?? I never see it in Belgium.
Anyway, by the way I bought the 3 moka pot filter for my 3 cup bialetti! Aaannnddd I did not feel a difference??
I compare classical bialetti with paper filter VS classical bialetti with E&B filter.
Maybe I can try my bialetti upgraded with paper filer? But I think it is useless now??
Great video! Can u give me some info about your gears? Is that a 3 cup moka? The filter is 57mm diameter? If yes, what about the black funnel you used with the stirring needles? Is it compatible with both 3 cups moka filter and coffee mchine arm (58 mm)? Because I can only find 51, 53 and 58mm funnels meant to be used with coffee machine arms.
Hi, yes of course. That is a 3 cups. I usually use that in my videos. for a 3 cups moka I suggest the 53mm for 6 cups moka 58mm
Hi, thanks for the details on the E&B filter. The question is, is it worth getting the E&B filter for my Bialetti, if an Aeropress filter can do the same job?
it depends on if you prefer the coffee filtered with paper or not. some people don't like it. if you prefer the classic metal I suggest the e&b lab
I have a Bialetti Brikka (4 cups) - what size of the E&B filter do you recommend?
Hello Matteo, thanks for all your helpful video’s. Can you tell me if there is an aeropress filter this fits the 6 cups bialetti? Can’t find it anywhere.
I usually use the classic aeropress filter on 6 cups. Just wet it with water and stick it on the metal filter. It works.
@@matteofromtheswampsThank you!!
e & b lab products don't exist where I live. would you suggest a stainless steel moka pot from bialetti or grosche?
Have you tried texting them on Instagram? Maybe they can help you to find them.
I never tried the stainless steel Grosche. The Bialetti one works good in my opinion.
I cant seem to find this filter readily for the usa. anyone have a good link for a one cup moka pot?
What are those cups you have?
The brand is called Club House and the model is Maniko
I just found out that my Bialetti has 2 filter in top of each other! could be a factory mistake as I think there should be only one!?
Yeah probably a factory mistake. I never saw that before.
Dear Mateo, thx for the video. I assume for the 2 cups brikka bialetti, I should buy the 2 cups e & b filter? Right? Thanks again for your answer
Hi there. They don't do a 2 cups filter, but I think the 3 cups filter it fits the brikka. I need to try it. Now I'm away from home, When I came back I'll try to remember to see if it works.
@@matteofromtheswamps Thank you for your answer, I am sorry to have asked this period, I assume you are on holidays so enjoy! By the way after a little research on the e & b website I found out that the 2 cups brikka bialetti needs the 3 cups e & b filter (based on their dimensions cited in their website). When I receive it I will come back to write if it really fits
@@spydellas6512 no worries at all. No I'm not on holiday, just working away. I was 90% sure it was working with it, now after you checked I'm sure 100%. Thanks for verifying that with me.
@@matteofromtheswamps Dear Matteo I just received the e & b lab filter, thank you very much for the tip, indeed it's a significant upgrade for the moka pot!! I can now confirm that for the 2 cups moka pot , one should buy the 3 cups e & b competition filter. (Now I have to figure out the dimension of the e & b lab competition filter for my 4 cup brika hahaha, always a problem to solve! btw e & b has 2 cups filter, actually the have 1,2,3 and 6 cups filters..)
@@matteofromtheswamps Ciao Matteo, just to point out that “e&b lab” is now also offering the competition filter for 2 cups’ moka pots. I own the Bialleti Fiammetta Induction of 2 cups and just ordered that specfific filter (2 cups) hoping it’ll fit my Bialleti Fiametta correctly… It’s supposed to be compatible with Bialleti’s devices sizes.
Btw, great video, you’ve a new subscriber here!
Ciao Matteo quick question , i have a Bialetti induction moka 3 cups after watching your video i will upgrade my filter but should i also give the paper filterS a try, btw i have never tried using paper filters for my Bialetti. Buon Anno
Ciao! Paper filter will give an extra filtration and also more resistance. You can get higher intensity and also higher extraction. But be careful because if you grind to fine then the coffee struggles to come out
@@matteofromtheswamps grazie
Hi Matteo 👋🏻 I have a Bialetti moka pot. Does it make sense to buy the E&B Lab Competition filter if I use Aeropress filters?
Hi, well, it depends, Aeropress filter absorb oils from the coffee, the E&B lab filter it doesn't. If you are happy with AP filters, you should stick with that. If one day you want to buy a new filter, I recommend it
New viewer.
Can you recommend a Moka Pot for a Glass Stovetop?
I’d like to play around with making coffee for my husband.
I’m not a coffee drinker myself.
Though I might try and make tea in one since I saw a video on that too. 😊
Hi there. Because glass stovetop is not induction, you can use all the kind of mokas. I suggest you to get an easy moka, even stainless steel that is easier to wash.
I saw about the tea and I should try it myself. Thanks for reminding me.
Matteo, if I get the E&B Filter, do I still use a paper filter when brewing?
It depends, for some coffee I still use paper filter. Usually when I have a coffee that needs more extraction and need to be more clean to highlight the flavours. But in general I don't use it if I want a coffee with more mouthfeel
Quindi il costo vale la pena? Si sente una netta differenza mi pare di capire
Io lo consiglio a tutti. Da mesi uso bialetti e E&B lab filtro. La differenza é notevole
I am moving away from cookware and anything heated up to make consumables made with aluminum
Any stainless steel moka pots you would recommend?
(I am new to this way of making coffee- the new generic moka pot I have, I can’t figure out how to use it. 🤦♀️)
Thank you 😊
Hi. I don't have yet a video about stainless steel. They will come in the future.
I always suggest Bialetti products for newbie. They always work good. You can look into Venus or Kitty.
@@matteofromtheswamps greatly appreciate your help…
Currently frustrated with the cheap stainless steel moka pot I have… it just doesn’t work right 😢
@@mykindpharm what's the problem with that?
@@matteofromtheswamps I have followed your instructions for beginner- it spits and sputters for 30 minutes and only half the water is brewed… and then it’s bitter
I have tried other directions and sometimes I get a teaspoon of coffee syrup after 30 minutes…
I have cleaned it and checked all the things and seems to be clear… but just isn’t working 🥺
@@matteofromtheswamps the inner column of the venus is incredibly delicate, mine snapped off after trying to clean the inside of the moka pot. Absolutely furious.
im sure the e&b filter is a great product but pricing it at 4-5x the replacement bialetti filters is just trying to gouge people. I’ll wait for now.
I know, but you know quality doesn’t come cheap most of the times. If you use the normal Bialetti filter I suggest placing a paper filter to get better coffee
@@matteofromtheswamps thats the plan for now
where can I buy this one? I'm living in the South Korea
if you text E&B Lab on Instagram I'm sure they can help you to find a supplier there in South Korea
Ciao! Che macina caffè utilizzi? Online se ne trovano una marea, ma è difficilissimo scegliere e certi prezzi sembrano veramente folli!
Ciao. Io ho macinini da prezzi folli 😅
Tu per cosa lo devi usare il macinino?
Hello so i have Bialetti 6 cup moka pot and so if i buy E&B filter ( 6 cup size ) it will fit and work all good ?
Sorry if this is little stupid question but I’m new at this so i want to make sure.
How about using portafilter mesh/ filter instead of aeropress filters? It's reusable!
yes you can, small mesh will definitely reduce the fines but careful that the mesh doesn't create too much resistance because otherwise you could damage the coffee puck
@@matteofromtheswamps thanks for your suggestions! I'll try it and update you the results.
Hi Matteo, how are you?
I have a bialetti mini express...do you know if the 1 cup filter fits it?
To be honest I don't I need to check. I'm sure in the 1 cup it works because I have both mokas.
@@matteofromtheswamps I got the minipress two cups so I should go for the 2 cups filter then😎
That WDT tool is 3D printed?
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
That grinder is 300 bucks lol wtf
I kept staring at the cattle nose ring, had to watch the vid a few times to get the filter message. My bad.
You can get a Chinese espresso machine for 400 all stainless pid, independent water/steam
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