FYI in the full video I go into further detail about why the visual style is jarring, and also why some of the story issues didn't work as well as they could have. I recommend taking a look, it goes into a much more nuanced discussion than I have time for in a YT Short :)
@@aleenakhan6230their statement makes sense imo, the animation is done well it just doesnt look good. those two things aren't mutually exclusive. i think dude talks abt the lack of motion blur or smth in the same vid coukd be why some ppl dont like how the animation looks. (and i mean the animation not the art style or lighting or anything like that)
i think that while it is impressive on a technical level, character motions still look bad due to the lack of blur frames. most movement has a bit of a blur, but for this movie they didn't add a blur because they wanted to go for a "story book feel." they could've added smear frames, which has been appearing in 3D animation recently, but they didn't do a lot of the movement looks bland.
You’re talking about the final rendered look of the movie, not the “animation.” There’s a reason that the movie being evenly lit looks like cheap animation, which I get into in the full video. But I agree with you, it’s a choice that makes sense on paper but in execution has an unintended effect
@@CarmilaairNothing wrong with a unique visual style, but decreasing contrast (difference in brightness between light and dark) for no reason makes the movie look worse. No other movie with a unique visual style did that - not Nimona, not the Spiderverse films, not the Mitchells Vs the Machines, and not Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish.
Yeah I definitely would have liked to see more of Asha’s character development. There were no scenes of child Asha, and Asha was just randomly a tour guide/friend of the palace servants. He character development is rather lacking and will likely lead to the film being forgotten.
The conclusion I'm coming to is that the film does have artistic merit and ideas worth exploring, even if the delivery did not resonate as well as it should have. Hopefully in 6-10 years they'll revisit and explore these in a series, like they did with the rapunzel tangled adventure series.
the aesthetics of this movie’s art style are just unsettling to me. it looks like they KINDA attempted to cell shade, but gave up. to me, it gives the effect of an instagram filter, being applied over finished footage. the way this movie is stylized, reminds me of how 3D animation looks on children’s shows. The ones that use stylization to make up for having a lower budget.
I do love the visuals of Wish. I know some people don’t like that there's no motion blur and stuff, but i think they definitely succeeded in making it look like a story book
Generally when visuals are very good but people dont like the story, they start claiming the visuals are "bad". They did this with elementals, avatar and the new avatar game. Ive never seen so amazing visuals in a game as in avatar frontiers of pandora. And i say that as a gameartist. Then i saw reviews and some chick said " the stones look like from minecraft 0/10". At this point they are just dishonest and delusional.
Yes!!! People who don’t like a piece of art are completely unwilling to see any good in it. Saying “SAO is mid” is one of the most controversial things you can say these days.
Style is fine (copies "The Magician's Elephant"). But the world is grey while being full of 'magic'. Magicians elephant was grey because the magic was forgotten. Main issue is the writing anyway. Disney is lost...
For me personally: the problem with the animation is overall the look. First the shading is really soft and gets kinda blurry making everything blend into each other since there are no hard edges. One thing you want to do even with soft shading is keep some hard edges here and there because shadows are not only one blurry darker area on something. A lot of times, the shading looked very soft which at least for me made everything blur into each other and looking rather flat since it looks more like a gradient at times rather then shadows. The other thing is that we are lacking texture. Even if you don't notice it, the 3d movies and even the 2d ones have a bunch of textures. Be it fabric fibers, hair strands, roughness of stone and so one. In noticed a huge lack of texture especially in the environment. She is suppose to stand on grass but it looks just like a smooth green floor rather then grass. The horses look like they have no fur so does the goat, the clothes have almost zero texture making them almost look painted on. Puss in boots or into the spider verse or Arcane use a 2d looking 3d style by using flat and smooth 3d models and painting the texture on. They have edges, roughness, soft areas and sharp lines. Especially when using watercolor, since they went for a watercolor ish style here, you need to keep sharp lines because everything just bleeds into each other. The movement and expressions are very well made but the actual look of it all isn't executed that well
I strongly agree the animation for wish is pretty damn good, but when it comes to storyline and plot, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING FILMS LIKE THIS, it lacks in that. But I do like the style, has a nice charm to it. The star makes me a bit hungry too cause the lil guy looks a bit like candy
hot take they made the star simple so it was marketable as just a cute small creature even though shapeshifting wouldve been absolutely awesome and its like what people said with a lot of things mixing up the style with animation and they say the animation is bad and the style is good when really its the other way around
Personally I think the best execution for the imagination idea would be having the star default to the small ball like appearance and then change based on the people around it
i have my own preference for animaiton but i cant put it into coherrent words sooo... idk i feel the animation was too... wiggily? like idk it just felt kinda gross to me, like when Asha was talking about her face drooping the way her motuh bounced up and down and aquished around idk it just felt off. or when her and Valentino saw the fire caused by Star the way their faces just... stretch and dropped? their expressions just looked fross to me. idk it was kinda uncanny in an animation way? i don't hate squash and stretch, im aware of the princple and how it works, but theres something too rubbery and gooey about the movement sometimes. like theres too much squash too much stretch? either way its like fairly standard nothing phenomenal imo not bad from a technical standpoiint, it is functional animation. but it's not good either
I agree. Everyone has the overly emotive movements. Nothing gets held back so it make every character feel the same. I dont like how the animation disney is pushing so hard with the 3D is going to this direction just more and more. Imagine Atlantis, Sleeping Beauty or Notre Dame having this kind of animation? It would fall flat, it would turn into a farce.
@@kuppikahvikeisari9120 honestly it reminds me of the animation disney was doing back in the early 2000s, think House of Mouse era stuff, or the Sleeping Beauty sequel that was really bad. Gargoyles had its moments when it got bouncy like this but idk I like it in Gargoyles (sometimes). granted not all of the early 2000s disney animations were as uncanny as Wish. but even compared to Frozen or Tangled, Wish's animation is just... weird. so it's definitely not a 2D vs 3D thing for me, its mainly the animation. the shot composition for some scenes doesn't help it either. Ie when Asha talks about the Wish orbs being "everything" and she has another awkward girl moment tm, the way the camera angle was positioned as she made her expressions made said expressions look downright creepy. then at the last few frames she squishes her entire mouth into a frown and like... her entire face contorts (not to mention she made liske 3 expressions at once in that shot as if the animators just didn't want her to stop moving. Another is after the chicken dance party scene ans Asha says something like "I think I destroyed my chances of asking Magnifeco for anything" and she once again distorts her entire face for an expression and her mouth goes like way up her face and to the side (once again she makes an unnecessary expression there and idek why they had her contort her face for the expression the scene wasnt even funny but she had to make a funny face i guess...) Or the shot where she goes "my Sabo is good." ect the way she just bounces her face squishes idk its just...ew. Even Magnifeco's scary faces are scary but not cus he's actually legitimately intimidating its just... the animation...? theyre trying too hard to make him intimidating in a squishy style? like its def not Evil Queen or Tremaine levels of intimidating their face doesn't contort for real. The closest I can get is maybe Cruella's deranged expression but that again wasn't squishy. like idk it's kinda just gross. i had to watch this movie more than once just to figure out why the *animation* bothers me (i pirated it tho i wasnt slending money at theatres to expsnsive). and of course theres the visual style and compositioning thats just all over the place. its so bad the trailers actually cropped some scenes (either to hide stuff or just legit cropped a scene for better looking compositioning) And even then theres definitely a difference between animation styles from the 9 Old Men era and those that come later in the 80s and 90s, then 2000s and so forth. But Wish specifically is just weirdly gross
@@stephanos6128 I agree that its not 3D vs 2D, arcane and Spiderverse are good examples of that, even tho I'm not a fan of the frame dropping Spiderverse has going on but anyway- I def need to come back to this comment after I have seen the movie in full. What you are describing sounds like the discomfort we are feeling about the animation could be the lack of structure of the forms. Like, humans have bones etc, you can use squish and stretch but with having sequence of quite normal physical movements with mixed in with rubbery anatomy it could feel very out of place and uncanny. Its not consistent with the style. Disney is capable of doing good 3D animation, I think Zootopia is great example of that, and Im sure the anthropomorphic characters lean greatly into that, since the characters don't look as samey. Good points with the Cruella, exaggerated movements definitely can be done in intimidating way, and I think her stiff bone structure makes it even more effective since she feels so tangible of a character. Thank you for your insightful comment! Ill try to remember this after Ive seen the movie lol
That's not really true. If something In it's entirety has a majority of good features, it's arguably a good piece of media content, then again everything is subjective to the viewer, there is no definitive value on art.
Yeah but the general audience thinks that "animation" = "art style" = "character design" = "background design" = "lighting" = "visual effects". There are differences between these things that people just lump under the term "animation". The video is merely saying that the animation is acceptable and not actually the problem with the film but people say that it is when they actually mean another thing.
I think that general audiences are better at getting a general vibe of the quality of a film than any specific quality issues. For instance here, the animation wasn’t necessarily bad, just jarring, and since it’s an animated film, that’s what a lot of people latched on to. I do agree with op btw. Since most films are made for a popular audience, I think that a film fails if most people don’t like it.
@@Technos_Offical I think you don’t understand what an animation style instead you call it a rip off because you may say the same for every other Disney movie with every other Pixar movie. because one movie did it nobody else is allowed to do the same. It is a beautiful animated choice that has 2d and 3d styles in a different way with the abstract designs in place. It’s unfortunate that everyone wants every movie to look the same and to have the same stories. People are less individuals now and more same.
Ok it's not necessarily a bad style but for a disney project it just looks unfinished. If this was a direct to TV special or produced by a much smaller studio I'm sure people would be singing it's praise but they didn't even do the things we know would improve the quality
I am still sad they scrapped star boy but now I understand why they went with the star. But still could have kept the magical dress transformation and evil couple 😭 evil couple tries to kidnap star or something and then boom magical transformation after day is saved cause asha is the new ruler. Also maybe a fixed message where instead the king actually having a point about Balance, he just straight up lies (maybe the wishes were fake) and Asha actually grants people wishes but also considers the balance that is effected
I honestly feel like they made this as a tax write off and only accidentally made it be there celebratory movie. Like even the parts they did well on aren't to the normal standards and everything else is noticeably unfinished.
Very good is a bit much. It attempted a Spiderverse/Puss in Boots the Last Wish style on the cheap, and, fittingly enough, looks like a knock off of said films. It’s fine, but lacks the flair of the original. Not surprising since Disney does everything it can to crush the soul out of everything.
I love the animation, the story could have been amazing, but the script (and songs) and cash grab attempts taking up 90% of the screen time kills me. I saw it in theaters and every time I *almost* got sucked into the film world, they did some weird uncanny shit and I was reminded that the whole thing was made by ai
Ya the reason most people complain about the animation is because they aren't animators and are using layman's terms. In this case animation is just a way of saying the look of the film. And it looks unfinished
I like the animation, it’s the plot that bothers me, the music feels backwards with a happy song for the villain and a dark, mysterious, playful song for the heroes.
I think the ankmation was a great idea executed poorly. The lack of dynamic effect makes it feel a bit low budget. Not that it’s necessarily bad but a bit misguided. The attempt to keep it watercolor-esque is a sweet idea that could’ve worked with a little more experimentation
Hey there, which DreamWorks characters did you work and animate on while you were an employee, I have watch almost all dreamworks movies so you could tell mw which scenes you animated
the problem isn´t the animation, its the story and concept they choosed to go with and the style that was supposed to look 2D, that made it look unfinished and lazy
The animation is ok but my main problem is the plot like how do i explain this magnifico or whatever had a reason but nope he got pushed over as a bad guy asha is the real villain here.
@@tellg0t090 I don't understand. The flour sack is a section from the famous book of animation "The Illusion of Life: Disney Animation" by Ollie Johnston and Frank Thomas, two greats. I admit it was a deep cut, but hey - that's my style.
The movement is not that different compare to other disney 3D movie. The whole thing Disney sell for this movie is “watercolor style”, and the result does not look like watercolor, like, at all. I get the idea, but the result is simply unwatchable.
I think that's the frustrating part like even I'm able to call out ways they could improve the look. You shouldn't be getting animation tips from a casual viewer with a basic understanding of animation.
Oh shut up. People who use the word "animation id bad" mean the look of the film, the style, the choices, the rendering, textures etc etc. This feels like a strawmanning the whole debate. I personally dont disagree your analysis on the star, but personally I feel like disney animation, and I mean the movement in this case looks so samey, everyone moves the same, squish and stretch, everyone has the same weight and stride. Every single character has the same droopy sassy eye mannerisms. The pacing on the animation is so predictable that tiktok has adopted it all to their reels. I myself am so tired of it. The way the characters are animated has correlation to the directing, the characters and in the end to the story. You would not see this kind of animation in Atlantis or Notre Dame's Frollo for example or Malecifent. Nowdays every characters animation has the approach of the basic over emoting and sass. The animators dont have tack and hold back, more is not more always. Sorry, my anger is not towards you personally, I dont even know you. I'm just tired of seeing the same shit being praised while its just downward spiral to everything looking the same.
ngl i kinda dont agree i think the animators r good at their jobs but it doesnt look good.... and im rererring to the actual movement the scene w the mouth and cheeks looks weird to me
i think its pretty, just going off the previews. probably not going to see the movie because it seems like its for a younger demographic but people saying its ugly are wrong imo
From my personal opinion it looks fine just not for the prestige it should have. It's a modern Disney cinematic anniversary movie it should have been their top priority to spare no expense on it's look and quality but it looks like an above avrage TV movie written for Disney Jr.
its generic and ai , it looks really bad ngl they should go with sharp style like 101 dalmatians or like across the spiderverse , like its an animated movie not a life action one
It’s not AI, whether you like it or not it’s made by people, real people, who worked really hard on it. The reason I made the full video was to dispel that rumor because it does a disservice to an entire team of people that put their heart and souls into this movie.
FYI in the full video I go into further detail about why the visual style is jarring, and also why some of the story issues didn't work as well as they could have. I recommend taking a look, it goes into a much more nuanced discussion than I have time for in a YT Short :)
Don’t have a problem with the animation it’s the storyline that’s the problem. It’s a plot that is to say it is rather lacking.
You know what's crazy is that I talk about that in the full video
@@NoTheRobot I did in fact watch the full video after seeing this clip and agree with many of your points
Also I LOVE your hair! It’s like Sirius Black crossed with Ozzy Osborn.
@@NoTheRobotyou want to know what’s crazy you’re annoying af
"It's technically impressive" and "it looks good" are VERY different things. The first is true of this movie. The second is not.
Op is saying the animation (as in movement) looks good. Not the lighting, textures etc. He has a video covering that.
@@aquabluerose7734 Yeah. I'm saying that OP is wrong.
@@AeonKnigh432 Why do you say the animation doesn't look good?
@@aleenakhan6230their statement makes sense imo, the animation is done well it just doesnt look good. those two things aren't mutually exclusive. i think dude talks abt the lack of motion blur or smth in the same vid coukd be why some ppl dont like how the animation looks. (and i mean the animation not the art style or lighting or anything like that)
I’m pretty sure the Star was designed and animated to sell plushies.
That’s what most cutesy characters are designed for ever since the mid 2000’s
That’s fair, but it’s still a neat homage. Also I doubt they’ll get much return on that.
Nah they were just afraid to give Asha a love interest (if you know you know)
Nah they were just afraid to give Asha a love interest (if you know you know)
@@LilmizK They weren't "afraid" to do it. It was just an early concept they were throwing around, and nothing more.
i think that while it is impressive on a technical level, character motions still look bad due to the lack of blur frames. most movement has a bit of a blur, but for this movie they didn't add a blur because they wanted to go for a "story book feel." they could've added smear frames, which has been appearing in 3D animation recently, but they didn't do a lot of the movement looks bland.
Whenever i see a clip of this movie it reminds me of the "pre-render" phase in behind the scenes animations
I dont think that's a good thing
You’re talking about the final rendered look of the movie, not the “animation.” There’s a reason that the movie being evenly lit looks like cheap animation, which I get into in the full video. But I agree with you, it’s a choice that makes sense on paper but in execution has an unintended effect
@@NoTheRobothe wasn't commenting on the animation he was commenting on the graphics......
@@Technos_Officalthat is literally what he just said
@@NoTheRobot it looks great and not super basic style like every other movie. People dislike craftsmanship and artistic freedom unfortunately nowadays
@@CarmilaairNothing wrong with a unique visual style, but decreasing contrast (difference in brightness between light and dark) for no reason makes the movie look worse. No other movie with a unique visual style did that - not Nimona, not the Spiderverse films, not the Mitchells Vs the Machines, and not Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish.
Yeah I definitely would have liked to see more of Asha’s character development. There were no scenes of child Asha, and Asha was just randomly a tour guide/friend of the palace servants. He character development is rather lacking and will likely lead to the film being forgotten.
The conclusion I'm coming to is that the film does have artistic merit and ideas worth exploring, even if the delivery did not resonate as well as it should have.
Hopefully in 6-10 years they'll revisit and explore these in a series, like they did with the rapunzel tangled adventure series.
Still can't believe they scrapped star boy who could be a potential love interest and evil power couple king and queen
I never realized lumas from Mario were an homage to Walt Disney
the aesthetics of this movie’s art style are just unsettling to me. it looks like they KINDA attempted to cell shade, but gave up.
to me, it gives the effect of an instagram filter, being applied over finished footage.
the way this movie is stylized, reminds me of how 3D animation looks on children’s shows. The ones that use stylization to make up for having a lower budget.
No, I want my star boy 😭 I mean, it’s super cute but it’s no Star Boy.
It was an early concept and nothing more.
I agree 100%! I’m an animator and I loved the animation.
I do love the visuals of Wish. I know some people don’t like that there's no motion blur and stuff, but i think they definitely succeeded in making it look like a story book
I loved Magnifico's facial expressions.
Generally when visuals are very good but people dont like the story, they start claiming the visuals are "bad". They did this with elementals, avatar and the new avatar game. Ive never seen so amazing visuals in a game as in avatar frontiers of pandora. And i say that as a gameartist. Then i saw reviews and some chick said " the stones look like from minecraft 0/10".
At this point they are just dishonest and delusional.
Yes!!! People who don’t like a piece of art are completely unwilling to see any good in it. Saying “SAO is mid” is one of the most controversial things you can say these days.
Have you played recent triple A titles. Just looking at screen shots this looks pretty basic for a modern title
@@tellg0t090 sure it looks basic when you have shit pc. I have a gaming laptop and its beautiful
I Loved the anination and background if this movie. It was so beautiful.
God I wish they went farther with this concept
The animation actually looks really nice in a lot of places. Its pretty. But man it could use a tiny bit of motion blur
Style is fine (copies "The Magician's Elephant"). But the world is grey while being full of 'magic'. Magicians elephant was grey because the magic was forgotten. Main issue is the writing anyway. Disney is lost...
For me personally: the problem with the animation is overall the look. First the shading is really soft and gets kinda blurry making everything blend into each other since there are no hard edges. One thing you want to do even with soft shading is keep some hard edges here and there because shadows are not only one blurry darker area on something. A lot of times, the shading looked very soft which at least for me made everything blur into each other and looking rather flat since it looks more like a gradient at times rather then shadows. The other thing is that we are lacking texture. Even if you don't notice it, the 3d movies and even the 2d ones have a bunch of textures. Be it fabric fibers, hair strands, roughness of stone and so one. In noticed a huge lack of texture especially in the environment. She is suppose to stand on grass but it looks just like a smooth green floor rather then grass. The horses look like they have no fur so does the goat, the clothes have almost zero texture making them almost look painted on. Puss in boots or into the spider verse or Arcane use a 2d looking 3d style by using flat and smooth 3d models and painting the texture on. They have edges, roughness, soft areas and sharp lines. Especially when using watercolor, since they went for a watercolor ish style here, you need to keep sharp lines because everything just bleeds into each other. The movement and expressions are very well made but the actual look of it all isn't executed that well
I just wish the stardust look like a Luma. I expect more from the best artists in the world.
I strongly agree the animation for wish is pretty damn good, but when it comes to storyline and plot, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING FILMS LIKE THIS, it lacks in that. But I do like the style, has a nice charm to it. The star makes me a bit hungry too cause the lil guy looks a bit like candy
hot take they made the star simple so it was marketable as just a cute small creature even though shapeshifting wouldve been absolutely awesome and its like what people said with a lot of things mixing up the style with animation and they say the animation is bad and the style is good when really its the other way around
Personally I think the best execution for the imagination idea would be having the star default to the small ball like appearance and then change based on the people around it
i have my own preference for animaiton but i cant put it into coherrent words sooo... idk i feel the animation was too... wiggily? like idk it just felt kinda gross to me, like when Asha was talking about her face drooping the way her motuh bounced up and down and aquished around idk it just felt off. or when her and Valentino saw the fire caused by Star the way their faces just... stretch and dropped? their expressions just looked fross to me. idk it was kinda uncanny in an animation way? i don't hate squash and stretch, im aware of the princple and how it works, but theres something too rubbery and gooey about the movement sometimes. like theres too much squash too much stretch?
either way its like fairly standard nothing phenomenal imo not bad from a technical standpoiint, it is functional animation. but it's not good either
I agree. Everyone has the overly emotive movements. Nothing gets held back so it make every character feel the same. I dont like how the animation disney is pushing so hard with the 3D is going to this direction just more and more. Imagine Atlantis, Sleeping Beauty or Notre Dame having this kind of animation? It would fall flat, it would turn into a farce.
@@kuppikahvikeisari9120 honestly it reminds me of the animation disney was doing back in the early 2000s, think House of Mouse era stuff, or the Sleeping Beauty sequel that was really bad. Gargoyles had its moments when it got bouncy like this but idk I like it in Gargoyles (sometimes). granted not all of the early 2000s disney animations were as uncanny as Wish. but even compared to Frozen or Tangled, Wish's animation is just... weird. so it's definitely not a 2D vs 3D thing for me, its mainly the animation.
the shot composition for some scenes doesn't help it either. Ie when Asha talks about the Wish orbs being "everything" and she has another awkward girl moment tm, the way the camera angle was positioned as she made her expressions made said expressions look downright creepy. then at the last few frames she squishes her entire mouth into a frown and like... her entire face contorts (not to mention she made liske 3 expressions at once in that shot as if the animators just didn't want her to stop moving. Another is after the chicken dance party scene ans Asha says something like "I think I destroyed my chances of asking Magnifeco for anything" and she once again distorts her entire face for an expression and her mouth goes like way up her face and to the side (once again she makes an unnecessary expression there and idek why they had her contort her face for the expression the scene wasnt even funny but she had to make a funny face i guess...)
Or the shot where she goes "my Sabo is good." ect the way she just bounces her face squishes idk its just...ew. Even Magnifeco's scary faces are scary but not cus he's actually legitimately intimidating its just... the animation...? theyre trying too hard to make him intimidating in a squishy style? like its def not Evil Queen or Tremaine levels of intimidating their face doesn't contort for real. The closest I can get is maybe Cruella's deranged expression but that again wasn't squishy.
like idk it's kinda just gross. i had to watch this movie more than once just to figure out why the *animation* bothers me (i pirated it tho i wasnt slending money at theatres to expsnsive). and of course theres the visual style and compositioning thats just all over the place. its so bad the trailers actually cropped some scenes (either to hide stuff or just legit cropped a scene for better looking compositioning)
And even then theres definitely a difference between animation styles from the 9 Old Men era and those that come later in the 80s and 90s, then 2000s and so forth. But Wish specifically is just weirdly gross
@@stephanos6128 I agree that its not 3D vs 2D, arcane and Spiderverse are good examples of that, even tho I'm not a fan of the frame dropping Spiderverse has going on but anyway- I def need to come back to this comment after I have seen the movie in full. What you are describing sounds like the discomfort we are feeling about the animation could be the lack of structure of the forms. Like, humans have bones etc, you can use squish and stretch but with having sequence of quite normal physical movements with mixed in with rubbery anatomy it could feel very out of place and uncanny. Its not consistent with the style. Disney is capable of doing good 3D animation, I think Zootopia is great example of that, and Im sure the anthropomorphic characters lean greatly into that, since the characters don't look as samey. Good points with the Cruella, exaggerated movements definitely can be done in intimidating way, and I think her stiff bone structure makes it even more effective since she feels so tangible of a character. Thank you for your insightful comment! Ill try to remember this after Ive seen the movie lol
If a majority of the general audience thinks it’s bad then it’s probably bad
Look at the FNAF movie. Critics think it's bad but the actual viewers thinks it's good
That's not really true.
If something In it's entirety has a majority of good features, it's arguably a good piece of media content, then again everything is subjective to the viewer, there is no definitive value on art.
@@spiketheghostI love fnaf but the movie I hated it was made too much for a younger audience
Yeah but the general audience thinks that "animation" = "art style" = "character design" = "background design" = "lighting" = "visual effects". There are differences between these things that people just lump under the term "animation". The video is merely saying that the animation is acceptable and not actually the problem with the film but people say that it is when they actually mean another thing.
I think that general audiences are better at getting a general vibe of the quality of a film than any specific quality issues. For instance here, the animation wasn’t necessarily bad, just jarring, and since it’s an animated film, that’s what a lot of people latched on to.
I do agree with op btw. Since most films are made for a popular audience, I think that a film fails if most people don’t like it.
Am i the only person on this planet that kinda likes the art stylr
Style*
You're not but it's a small portion of the people, frankly it looks like a rip off of the style that the spider verse films did but done as a postal3
@@Technos_Offical I think you don’t understand what an animation style instead you call it a rip off because you may say the same for every other Disney movie with every other Pixar movie. because one movie did it nobody else is allowed to do the same. It is a beautiful animated choice that has 2d and 3d styles in a different way with the abstract designs in place. It’s unfortunate that everyone wants every movie to look the same and to have the same stories. People are less individuals now and more same.
Ok it's not necessarily a bad style but for a disney project it just looks unfinished. If this was a direct to TV special or produced by a much smaller studio I'm sure people would be singing it's praise but they didn't even do the things we know would improve the quality
I am still sad they scrapped star boy but now I understand why they went with the star. But still could have kept the magical dress transformation and evil couple 😭 evil couple tries to kidnap star or something and then boom magical transformation after day is saved cause asha is the new ruler. Also maybe a fixed message where instead the king actually having a point about Balance, he just straight up lies (maybe the wishes were fake) and Asha actually grants people wishes but also considers the balance that is effected
The hate isn't on the animation it's on the art style.
Animation might be okay but too bad everything else fucking blows Ironic considering they made this to celebrate A big ass anniversary
I honestly feel like they made this as a tax write off and only accidentally made it be there celebratory movie. Like even the parts they did well on aren't to the normal standards and everything else is noticeably unfinished.
It might be technically good but the fact the so many people have had this negative reaction probably indicates something.
I didn't think the animation or even rendering style were bad at all. The story was just lackluster at best
I don't think a single complain abour this movie was about the animation, and trust me, they weren't few
They did not change the star for that they changed it for merch.
Bro, I watched in theaters and it looks like hot garbage. It doesn’t even compare to elemental or even Mulan back in the day.
Elemental is Pixar, not Disney Animation. But I know how you feel. I dive into the issues of the actual look of the film in the full video👍
Animation is great, visual style is ass
I agree that the visual style had unintended consequences. What about it bothered you?
@@NoTheRobothe's comparing and contrasting competing studios
And people accuse the animation of being AI rendered…
Very good is a bit much. It attempted a Spiderverse/Puss in Boots the Last Wish style on the cheap, and, fittingly enough, looks like a knock off of said films.
It’s fine, but lacks the flair of the original. Not surprising since Disney does everything it can to crush the soul out of everything.
Tbh I don't think anybody has a problem with the animation itself
I love Wish❤️
I love the animation, the story could have been amazing, but the script (and songs) and cash grab attempts taking up 90% of the screen time kills me. I saw it in theaters and every time I *almost* got sucked into the film world, they did some weird uncanny shit and I was reminded that the whole thing was made by ai
Ya the reason most people complain about the animation is because they aren't animators and are using layman's terms. In this case animation is just a way of saying the look of the film. And it looks unfinished
That’s my point, I’m explaining the difference between the “animation” and the “rendered look” of the film and why they’re doing things different.
I promise they didn’t think that far ahead did copium though
How much did they pay you?
Nothing
When you got to over explain why it’s good…
I like the animation, it’s the plot that bothers me, the music feels backwards with a happy song for the villain and a dark, mysterious, playful song for the heroes.
Just saying how much work they put in doesmt suddenly make it look good.. it looks like tv animation
I think the ankmation was a great idea executed poorly. The lack of dynamic effect makes it feel a bit low budget. Not that it’s necessarily bad but a bit misguided. The attempt to keep it watercolor-esque is a sweet idea that could’ve worked with a little more experimentation
Hey there, which DreamWorks characters did you work and animate on while you were an employee, I have watch almost all dreamworks movies so you could tell mw which scenes you animated
I literally cannot take this guy seriously he’s a huge Disney Stan
I critique Disney a lot in the full video
Awesome! Thanks!
It kinda looks like a Wii cutscene tho
Tf is happening in the scene where the protag is smooshing her face/mouth?
I like what ive seen from the trailer, but I'm not paying to see it on a big screen, just a flat screen 😂
the problem isn´t the animation, its the story and concept they choosed to go with and the style that was supposed to look 2D, that made it look unfinished and lazy
The animation is ok but my main problem is the plot like how do i explain this magnifico or whatever had a reason but nope he got pushed over as a bad guy asha is the real villain here.
So, is the star canonically antisemitic?
Ooooor maybe the Star is akin to a bag of flour?
Completely useless without other ingredients and proper attention
@@tellg0t090 I don't understand. The flour sack is a section from the famous book of animation "The Illusion of Life: Disney Animation" by Ollie Johnston and Frank Thomas, two greats. I admit it was a deep cut, but hey - that's my style.
@@wetterschneider not going to lie. I thought you meant an actual bag of flour
@@tellg0t090 That's what I figured. Look up the book, it's a classic.
how much Disney pay you?
They pay me $10,000 every time I have to answer this question
Its good but looks cheap due to no blur
This would be true a few years before spiderverse, nowadays is just mediocre
The movement is not that different compare to other disney 3D movie. The whole thing Disney sell for this movie is “watercolor style”, and the result does not look like watercolor, like, at all. I get the idea, but the result is simply unwatchable.
I think that's the frustrating part like even I'm able to call out ways they could improve the look. You shouldn't be getting animation tips from a casual viewer with a basic understanding of animation.
Oh shut up. People who use the word "animation id bad" mean the look of the film, the style, the choices, the rendering, textures etc etc. This feels like a strawmanning the whole debate. I personally dont disagree your analysis on the star, but personally I feel like disney animation, and I mean the movement in this case looks so samey, everyone moves the same, squish and stretch, everyone has the same weight and stride. Every single character has the same droopy sassy eye mannerisms. The pacing on the animation is so predictable that tiktok has adopted it all to their reels. I myself am so tired of it. The way the characters are animated has correlation to the directing, the characters and in the end to the story. You would not see this kind of animation in Atlantis or Notre Dame's Frollo for example or Malecifent. Nowdays every characters animation has the approach of the basic over emoting and sass. The animators dont have tack and hold back, more is not more always.
Sorry, my anger is not towards you personally, I dont even know you. I'm just tired of seeing the same shit being praised while its just downward spiral to everything looking the same.
Disney schill💀
I could care less about defending Disney, as I state in the full video. But sure believe what you want.
But the animation is wasted on bad plot and horrible songs
I get into the story issues I have with it in the full video✌️
wish looked pretty good but imo the storyline was too predictable. I watched it with my 7 y/o cousin and she liked it so i just pretended to.
I understand what you mean, I get into the story issues I have with it in my criticisms from the full video
That doesn’t save this movie
The animation isnt bad, but not great either. The story is the bad part 💀
ngl i kinda dont agree i think the animators r good at their jobs but it doesnt look good.... and im rererring to the actual movement the scene w the mouth and cheeks looks weird to me
i think its pretty, just going off the previews. probably not going to see the movie because it seems like its for a younger demographic but people saying its ugly are wrong imo
From my personal opinion it looks fine just not for the prestige it should have. It's a modern Disney cinematic anniversary movie it should have been their top priority to spare no expense on it's look and quality but it looks like an above avrage TV movie written for Disney Jr.
It looks boring and bland
That’s crazy don’t care though
Then scroll and don’t bother? Why would he care you don’t care you are one viewer out of hundreds
My only problem is that the main character look like the one sister from enconto
its generic and ai , it looks really bad ngl they should go with sharp style like 101 dalmatians or like across the spiderverse , like its an animated movie not a life action one
It’s not AI, whether you like it or not it’s made by people, real people, who worked really hard on it. The reason I made the full video was to dispel that rumor because it does a disservice to an entire team of people that put their heart and souls into this movie.
@@NoTheRobot yeah it was made by real people but imho it still LOOKS like it is bland generic and not human, it looks fake sorry dude
And my full video explains why it looks like that. I encourage you to check it out.
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How much was it, hhhmmmmm?
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Nice try fed😎
You can’t gaslight me to thinking that it was good, the lighting was awful and the styles were bad when they collided
I disagree, the animation seems like something off of TV animation rather than a feature film animation
That’s literally the next point I make in the full video lol
False
Cope
Artificial. Intelligence.