As a former 787 driver, I can tell it is 100% normal by design. It's called "Early Door Function". As soon as the aircraft sensed the wheel had left the ground, it open the gear door automatically even before pilots move the gear lever. Then when the pilot select gear up, you save several seconds waiting time for the door to open before swing the gear into the wheel well. This function reduce the gear retracting time and improve climbing performance. 787s have other small interesting tricks like this one to save fuel and improve performance.
If the controller had just said, "China Eastern 2035, go around, go around," rather than adding in "runway 14" there probably would have been zero miscommunication.
"Discontiniue" was also probably not the best word to use. If you don't hear the "Dis-" it also get's complicated. Rather use something like "abort" maybe.
@@user-microburst Untrue - On the 787-9 and -10 there is a 'pre door' function where the doors open automatically when the aircraft senses it's airborne. The gear won't retract until the lever goes up.
@jemwoo2001 Isn't that counterintuitive though? The landing gear doors significantly increase the drag and if any malfuntions happen during takeoff, the doors would be better close than shut to get the aircraft into the air..
@@webegroot3322 with the same arguments one could say it's better to reduce drag as fast as possible by retracting the gear completely. I think there is a very good reason behind that, but I'm neither an engineer nor a pilot. But I know that once airborn you can't stop, so why not retract the gear very fast.
Thanks for pointing that out. To me it, looked like the wheels were still out as the plane took off. Seems like it would add a lot of drag during takeoff though.
It's a feature of the 787-9 and -10. Not on the -8. It's called early door retraction, to reduce the time it takes to retract the gear and improve performance.
Two people whose native language isn't English, communicating in English over VHF radio in a high pressure situation - I'm just amazed there aren't more misunderstandings and crashes.
According to my wife, when having a hard time communicating in English, you talk LOUDER and slower. There are a quite a few French and Italians wondering why my wife was slowly screaming at them.
@@KAPAFlyer Not as miserable as someone who has to catastrophize a simple comment of "getting weary" into "miserable" and "upset" instead of scrolling on like a grown up.
As per correct phraseology: controller should just said " go around" - not speak about rwy and add unnecessary stuff to confuse pilots with minimal English skills. Controllers should be really good at this, giving short and correct instructions can save lives (and in this case, luckily there was plenty of time)
V1, V2 rotate. Positive rate -- gear up! I was a tower controller before moving to the radar room, and I have seen thousands of take-offs; I did not see an early retraction of the gear at all.
@@soccerguy2433no you don’t need the indication on the altimeter. You need to confirm in 2 ways. One can be visually, looking outside and seeing your are climbing. You can use the altimeter, as you said. Also the radar altimeter. And the vertical speed indicator. (VSI). And in newer airplanes, you can use the flight path vector as well.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183The pilot monitoring look at VSI to confirm that the plane is climbing and will verbally say “positive rate” to the pilot flying. Then the pilot flying will then command “gear up” The pilot not flying will then select the gear lever up. Pilot usually only use radar altimeter on landing. It’s the voice callout “50 30 20 10” that you hear on landing. Not even sure if you can get it to show up on the PFD but pilot don’t really need to see it at all.
If there are multiple runways in use why not? It eliminates confusion. Sometimes a pilot might hear the go around call but wonder was that for me? Shit i didnt hear the call sign, oh he said runway 14 sp it was not for me. It is perfect and exact information. The pilot needs to LISTEN!
@@gerardwalker2159It doesn't eliminate any confusion. The callsign already provides 100% of the relevant information. Saying the runway creates confusion by sounding too similar to a landing clearance.
You dont seem to understand my comment AT ALL. i explained the thought process that may happen to another pilot ENTIRELY DURING the FIRST transmission. They CANNOT ask in the middle of the transmission. By the end of the transmission "......runway 14" the call would be clear to an unsure pilot and would need not ask a thing as the ATC controller was PERFECTLY clear. It is blowing my mind the insane amount of people blaming the ATC for a perfectly clear transmission. The pilot is to blame and needs to focus and LISTEN. It is 100% the pilots fault and the controller need not have to do or say a single word differently.
It was not a wrong transmission it had perfectly exact information related exactly to the desired command. Sure perhaps it might have helped but that STILL does not mean the controller "should have said......" it was fine and clear. As i said before. The pilot was not listening and the only person that should have done anything differently was the pilot and that was to LISTEN. If that ATC transmission is considered confusing then you nor anyone else should never have anything at all to do with aviation. It is so incredibly basic and accurate that i am stunned that anyone has a problem with it.
Sorry 3MoA, the title is incorrect, but I bet it got the clicks! :) Not that anyone will see this, but the doors on the 787-9 and -10 drop upon conditions where the airplane is climbing. This is NOT to speed up the gear retraction. It's to improve performance as has been said, but the 'performance' in question is the cancellation of a porpoising event made possible by the gear doors opening and causing an aerodynamic effect where the nose must be dropped then raised again as the doors open. By 'early dropping' the gear doors upon the wings taking the weight of the aircraft on climb out, this porpoising is eliminated. So there you go. I had to find out the story when I heard about the early drop (aka 'predrop' as some call it) and could not believe it myself. Doors dropping is a feature, not a bug! :) Even so... this 787 dropped the nose then lifted it back up anyway. Weird. :|
From the Fcom. To improve performance, an early doors function automatically pre-opens the main landing gear doors one second after lift-off and prior to the pilot moving the gear lever to the UP position. If the pilot does not move the gear lever to UP within 30 seconds, the main gear doors return to the closed position. During a touch-and-go, the early doors function does not activate until the airplane has been on the ground for more than 30 seconds.
Believe it or not, due accent, clear to land and go around can be very similar. Saying the runway in a go around is also non standard and utterly confusing for a pilot.
At military airfields in Japan, they will say “check gear down” and it sounds an awful lot like “take it around” so it’s weird the first time you hear “check gear down, cleared to land runway xx”
@@chrisridebike8all US military aircraft do the “check gear down”. Nothing new. And nobody says: “take it around”. It’s called “go-around”. And it doesn’t sound the same.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 yeah. I have 2,000 hours in the F-18. I’m well aware of how the military flies and what is said on the radio. But Japanese ATC is among the hardest to understand. And it literally sounds like “take it around.” And as this video demonstrates, sometimes there is nonstandard comm on the radio so hearing what sounds like “take it around” is disconcerting
"China Eastern 2035 Go-Around, I repeat, China Eastern 2035 Go-Around, acknowledge?" is the standard call in the UK where English is the main language. This eliminates the MOST risks of confirmation bias when they're expecting landing clearances and the request for acknowledgment ensures the recipient understood what is likely a time critical command.
That 380 is such an incredible creation. It was hovering in the air for a moment 😅 then the massive engines makes such a roar on the go around. It's like a dinosaur 😂 (I want 1 😜)
Look at the wheels on the A380, I think they are aligned with the runway not the plane in this shot. I am wondering if the go around was because it exceeded the maximum offset possible.
@@blairhoughton7918 A couple hundred kts is quite fast. I'd guesstimate the A380 is only going 120-180kts here, typical for aircraft in the 737-747 size range.
runway 14 doesn’t make any sense, a go around is a go around. the fact that she added the runway was probably the cause of the confusion because she commanded a go around the same way you would command a landing clearence.
no it wasn't. pilots should not retract the gear before fully lifting off. they should wait until they are fully airborne before retracting. as seen in the clip the gear lever was pushed up while the plane was still on the ground.
@@keane-pronope. The 787-9 and -10, the doors open after lift off. It doesn’t retract the gear. As you can see, just prior to the doors opening, the airplane had a bit of a wobble, so the doors opened, probably because the airplane thought it was airborne. So you are wrong, the lever was not moved up.
Planes coming in to London City actually approach nose down. Having got used to descent basically being "not nose up" it is a weird feeling but the approach from the west is spectacular. The flight goes right over the London Eye then loops around to head back over Canary Wharf. Its worth the ticket price fir that alone.
Yeah I got really nervous. I don't have a ton of experience with pilot POV on landing though so all the while I was thinking "this is normal, right ....... RIGHT?" Then it slowed down and I literally unclenched lol
If the controller didn't keep saying "go around runway 14", and instead just said "go around, go around," there probably wouldn't have been any miscommunication.
@wwt17 The co-pilot clearly understood the instructions. There was no miscommunication from the controller, there was a misunderstanding on the part of the pilot, genius.🤦♂️
I'm sorry, she said 'go around' with the first call, if I pilot isn't picking up on that it's a BIG problem, what else is this 'pilot' not understanding?
The first one, The Qantas B787 gear retraction is a software thing, not pilot, and it isn't exactly dangerous. Boeing engineered the B787 gear door to automatically open for gear retraction once the weight on wheels switch is deactivated/immediately after liftoff. At the stage, the B787 was, it's possible that the wheels were barely touching the ground when the doors started opening. Though according to Boeing, the gear doors aren't expected to open automatically till the plane is at least 50ft. It can also automatically close after 10-15sec if the pilot don't call for gear-up. It doesn't not automatically command the gears to go up or down, it just opens and closes the gear doors.
I remember this is a feature to save fuel. The landing gear door open during takeoff, so landing gear could be retracted quicker when pilot initiated gear up. This saves lots of fuel.
At 0:55, BS 155 voice clarifies the instructions: "She says 'go around', sir." Is interjection with instructions from another pilot allowed, either in unwritten practice or in written procedure?
Bad title. The gear doors on the 87-9 (not sure about the -10) open when the weight comes off the wheels. Notice how the landing gear doesn’t begin retracting until many seconds later (once the gear has been selected up in the cockpit). Video title needs to be fixed.
The 787-9 and 787-10 include an automatic Early Doors feature that pre-opens the main landing gear doors on takeoff in anticipation of the pilot commanding the gear to retract. The actual gear don’t retract until selected by the pilot. And that’s what we are seeing here.
@@hEXordo It’s spelled Brazil and also yeah. But first of all that’s pilot error for sure, it’s generally a safe aircraft and I commented on this video before that incident even happened.
F4 pilot at Moody AB Georgia 45 50 years ago did this. Gear popped up, engine stalled, plane bellyflopped on the runway and slid off into the swamp. He was reduced to SSGT and spent his remaining years handing out pool cues and balls at the rec center.
This is because of headwind pushing the Boeing 787 to lift the left landing gears,making the computer think they had lift off and automatically retracted the landing gear!
The Qantas is fine, -9 and -10 auto open 1 second after rotate, its designed to do that to eliminate the effect the opening doors have during the climb out. The yaw movement just before the nose raises may have triggered it a little earlier. The goaround, removing the runway info may of helped including repeating the works goaround twice.
I actually have flown the A380 into London Heathrow in winds similar to this plane. It’s actually simple I imputed left rudder and right up aileron and crab the plane looking down the runway. Just don’t get yourself fixated on the 1000 ft marker. I did it in 35 knot winds with fog and light rain. I got to tell you I had to changed my underwear when it was over. I taxied to the gate. I told my co-pilot to get me a cup of coffee and she yelled at me to get off that dam computer and go to bed.
Why the go around in Paro in the last clip? It looked perfect aligned, perfect flare, wings level, and they were about to touch down exactly in the touchdown zone. They were practicing / training, maybe?
For any aeroplane with retractable landing gear the pilots retract the landing gear ‘shortly after take-off’ once a positive rate of climb is achieved unless an MEL restriction requires it leaving down.
The gear lever cannot be selected up on the ground without operating the lever LOCK OVERRIDE switch on the 787. On the -9 and -10 the aeroplane is designed to open the main gear doors 1 sec after lift-off even if the gear is still selected down.
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About the 1st Qantas 787, I don’t believe pilots retract ldg gear too early, but it’s normal the main ldg gear doors open as soon as the aircraft lift off in order to save time for retraction.Doors open but ldg gear is still down!…. and set to retract when altimeter increases.
1) Communication failures seem to be a factor in many accidents and close calls 2) Language barrier + (1) seems to be a *disproportionate* factor in many accidents and close calls. It seems to be a plane survival advantage if English is your native language, and that needs to be rectified somehow
Let's put it this way - in the vid, I can't see landing gear retracting when the Qantas plane is still on the ground. Even when it has taken off - the landing gears haven't been retracted at all - as far as we can see in the vid.
Landing Gear Retraction To improve performance, an early doors function automatically pre-opens the main landing gear doors one second after lift-off and prior to the pilot moving the gear lever to the UP position. If the pilot does not move the gear lever to UP within 30 seconds, the main gear doors return to the closed position.
"Discontinue approach" sound a LOT like "Please continue approach", mainly with the accent... In fact, "Go around" can be mistaken for "Clear to land" because they have the same length, the beginning doesn't sound the same, but you have the "O" and "and" that can be misleading.
The ICAO standard phraseology for go-around say: "Any transmissions to aircraft going around shall be brief and kept to a minimum." And the standard go-around call if controller initiated should be: "JET 123, go around" That's it, no runway number, no wind, no nothing, just simple callsign + go around. That's why standard phraseology is important, runway number often associated with takeoff and landing clearance, if transmission is not clear or got cut out in the middle, pilot might heard: "2035 --- runway 14", in this case, it would be normal for the pilot to guess the intention of the controller is "clear to land runway 14" instead "go around runway 14" . Also, that "discontinue approach" was also redundant, what controller should say is: "China Eastern 2035, go around".
Thats a normal feature to reduce the retraction time (reducing exposure to uneccessary drag). Only way to know if the gear was retracted is to watch the nose gear doors
Call sign go around , never add runway number , the other pilots did an amazing job , that crosswind was freaky , steep approach at London was scary , coming in a little hot . Being a Helo pilot I don’t have those issues .
They should put AT controllers through a rigorous language training course. Three times did the pilot say the same thing he understood to have been told yet the AT controller keeps repeating the confusing directive.
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As a former 787 driver, I can tell it is 100% normal by design. It's called "Early Door Function". As soon as the aircraft sensed the wheel had left the ground, it open the gear door automatically even before pilots move the gear lever. Then when the pilot select gear up, you save several seconds waiting time for the door to open before swing the gear into the wheel well. This function reduce the gear retracting time and improve climbing performance. 787s have other small interesting tricks like this one to save fuel and improve performance.
True by design.
That’s correct, but only for 787-9 & 787-10.
787-8 doesn’t has this feature.
Sensors for safety on flight mode. Override retract operation during maintenance only
@@LancerWang I stand corrected, thanks for the info. A350 driver here where no such system exists.
@@johnmorris7815because airbus is better😂
If the controller had just said, "China Eastern 2035, go around, go around," rather than adding in "runway 14" there probably would have been zero miscommunication.
yeah, east asian accent is sometime really hard to understand
@wwt17 Why did you post this ridiculous, bordering on racist comment twice?🤡🤷♂️
@@nalsalp There are thousands- which one?🙄🤡🤷♂️🤦♂️
Sit down.
@@spanqueluv9erwhich one does this air traffic controller have?
"Discontiniue" was also probably not the best word to use. If you don't hear the "Dis-" it also get's complicated. Rather use something like "abort" maybe.
I do not see the gears retracting
Someone else said the doors on that plane open when the gear leaves the ground.
No Boeing pilot, but during take off gear doors won’t open if gear lever is not selected up
@@user-microburst Untrue - On the 787-9 and -10 there is a 'pre door' function where the doors open automatically when the aircraft senses it's airborne. The gear won't retract until the lever goes up.
@jemwoo2001 Isn't that counterintuitive though?
The landing gear doors significantly increase the drag and if any malfuntions happen during takeoff, the doors would be better close than shut to get the aircraft into the air..
@@webegroot3322 with the same arguments one could say it's better to reduce drag as fast as possible by retracting the gear completely. I think there is a very good reason behind that, but I'm neither an engineer nor a pilot. But I know that once airborn you can't stop, so why not retract the gear very fast.
787 gear door open automatically as soon as weight comes off wheel. This, apparently was a design to reduce retraction time.
Thanks for pointing that out. To me it, looked like the wheels were still out as the plane took off. Seems like it would add a lot of drag during takeoff though.
@@AnimalisMD *gear not wheels.
It's a feature of the 787-9 and -10. Not on the -8. It's called early door retraction, to reduce the time it takes to retract the gear and improve performance.
on some Boeing planes the passenger door comes off mid flight to save time after landing
@@thomcowley7332 Yeah sad but it happened.
If the pilot didn't understand the first time, saying it faster and adding words to the command doesn't help.
word economy
Two people whose native language isn't English, communicating in English over VHF radio in a high pressure situation - I'm just amazed there aren't more misunderstandings and crashes.
According to my wife, when having a hard time communicating in English, you talk LOUDER and slower. There are a quite a few French and Italians wondering why my wife was slowly screaming at them.
You have to first consider that he didn't understand just because of noise.
I'm getting a bit weary of the unnecessarily misleading captions on these videos, to be honest.
Wow. Your life must be miserable if that's something that upsets you.
@@KAPAFlyer Not as miserable as someone who has to catastrophize a simple comment of "getting weary" into "miserable" and "upset" instead of scrolling on like a grown up.
@@andymanaus1077 Feel the burn!
@@KAPAFlyerGrow up beta boy. The title is inaccurate and should be called out!
@@KAPAFlyer, you thought you did something there 👎
As per correct phraseology: controller should just said " go around" - not speak about rwy and add unnecessary stuff to confuse pilots with minimal English skills.
Controllers should be really good at this, giving short and correct instructions can save lives (and in this case, luckily there was plenty of time)
@@NatNay-cu3uv what are you on about?
@@sammyhill69 @NatNay-cu3uv is evidently a misogynist who thinks women shouldn't be doing this job. Just ignore him.
@@sammyhill69def a bot
Well, to be honest, it sounded like the controller had minimal English skills as well
Without the subtitles i dont understand what she says at all
I personally like to retract the gear while still taxiing.
Agreed. Such a time saver and one less thing to do on climb out. 😅
American 445...heavy.
I only extend mine after landing. I'm not a woman, I can't do 2 things at once.
You leave it that late? I like to retract mine at the gate.
Especially with a Cessna 150 - you need all the engine power you got. 😊
the A380 looks insane
A380: “yeah nah” 😓
Er...what's insane about it? Not the pilot, I hope?
Big objects show the forces of physics much easier :)
Ya I have seen this with bush planes but that was next level. Looked like a prop in a movie.
The tail looks so big - like huge feet and ears on a puppy. Wait til it grows up!
That Emirates plane looked like it was just hovering!😳
Hanging in the sky the way a brick doesn't. 😉
V1, V2 rotate. Positive rate -- gear up! I was a tower controller before moving to the radar room, and I have seen thousands of take-offs; I did not see an early retraction of the gear at all.
do you know what positive rate means? That' means an indication of climb on the altimeter (a lag instrument).
@@soccerguy2433no you don’t need the indication on the altimeter. You need to confirm in 2 ways. One can be visually, looking outside and seeing your are climbing. You can use the altimeter, as you said. Also the radar altimeter. And the vertical speed indicator. (VSI).
And in newer airplanes, you can use the flight path vector as well.
It’s V1, Vr (or rotate) then V2 after being airborne
You didn't see the gear doors open before rotation?
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183The pilot monitoring look at VSI to confirm that the plane is climbing and will verbally say “positive rate” to the pilot flying.
Then the pilot flying will then command “gear up” The pilot not flying will then select the gear lever up.
Pilot usually only use radar altimeter on landing. It’s the voice callout “50 30 20 10” that you hear on landing. Not even sure if you can get it to show up on the PFD but pilot don’t really need to see it at all.
Don't give runway number with go around command. Duh.
If there are multiple runways in use why not? It eliminates confusion. Sometimes a pilot might hear the go around call but wonder was that for me? Shit i didnt hear the call sign, oh he said runway 14 sp it was not for me. It is perfect and exact information. The pilot needs to LISTEN!
@@gerardwalker2159 if they dont hear it then they can just ask the controller.
@@gerardwalker2159It doesn't eliminate any confusion. The callsign already provides 100% of the relevant information. Saying the runway creates confusion by sounding too similar to a landing clearance.
You dont seem to understand my comment AT ALL. i explained the thought process that may happen to another pilot ENTIRELY DURING the FIRST transmission. They CANNOT ask in the middle of the transmission. By the end of the transmission "......runway 14" the call would be clear to an unsure pilot and would need not ask a thing as the ATC controller was PERFECTLY clear. It is blowing my mind the insane amount of people blaming the ATC for a perfectly clear transmission. The pilot is to blame and needs to focus and LISTEN. It is 100% the pilots fault and the controller need not have to do or say a single word differently.
It was not a wrong transmission it had perfectly exact information related exactly to the desired command. Sure perhaps it might have helped but that STILL does not mean the controller "should have said......" it was fine and clear. As i said before. The pilot was not listening and the only person that should have done anything differently was the pilot and that was to LISTEN. If that ATC transmission is considered confusing then you nor anyone else should never have anything at all to do with aviation. It is so incredibly basic and accurate that i am stunned that anyone has a problem with it.
Sorry 3MoA, the title is incorrect, but I bet it got the clicks! :)
Not that anyone will see this, but the doors on the 787-9 and -10 drop upon conditions where the airplane is climbing. This is NOT to speed up the gear retraction. It's to improve performance as has been said, but the 'performance' in question is the cancellation of a porpoising event made possible by the gear doors opening and causing an aerodynamic effect where the nose must be dropped then raised again as the doors open.
By 'early dropping' the gear doors upon the wings taking the weight of the aircraft on climb out, this porpoising is eliminated.
So there you go. I had to find out the story when I heard about the early drop (aka 'predrop' as some call it) and could not believe it myself. Doors dropping is a feature, not a bug! :)
Even so... this 787 dropped the nose then lifted it back up anyway. Weird. :|
probably due to the LOAD it's carrying, then? Load not balanced inside the plane.
@@DwightStJohn-t7y what?
They wont retract until the weight is off the gear.
Unless it's Aerosucre and they are struggling to get airborne!
That's one thing Boeing has done right in engineering
@@AnonMedic ?
@@WOTArtyNoobslol true
fun fact sometimes i misread aerosucre as aerosecure… although they defenetly arent
@@AnonMedicso far..
1:08 Go around means go around. Why TH she keeps adding Runway 14 to that simple command rendering it confusing?!
From the Fcom.
To improve performance, an early doors function automatically pre-opens the main landing gear doors one second after lift-off and prior to the pilot moving the gear lever to the UP position. If the pilot does not move the gear lever to UP within 30 seconds, the main gear doors return to the closed position. During a touch-and-go, the early doors function does not activate until the airplane has been on the ground for more than 30 seconds.
Believe it or not, due accent, clear to land and go around can be very similar. Saying the runway in a go around is also non standard and utterly confusing for a pilot.
At military airfields in Japan, they will say “check gear down” and it sounds an awful lot like “take it around” so it’s weird the first time you hear “check gear down, cleared to land runway xx”
@@user-microburst Right, because many languages don't distinguish between L and R sounds.
@@chrisridebike8all US military aircraft do the “check gear down”. Nothing new. And nobody says: “take it around”. It’s called “go-around”. And it doesn’t sound the same.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 yeah. I have 2,000 hours in the F-18. I’m well aware of how the military flies and what is said on the radio. But Japanese ATC is among the hardest to understand. And it literally sounds like “take it around.” And as this video demonstrates, sometimes there is nonstandard comm on the radio so hearing what sounds like “take it around” is disconcerting
When the other pilot said what she said, he used a heavier accent and the other pilot finally understood and asked for the confirmation.
"China Eastern 2035 Go-Around, I repeat, China Eastern 2035 Go-Around, acknowledge?" is the standard call in the UK where English is the main language.
This eliminates the MOST risks of confirmation bias when they're expecting landing clearances and the request for acknowledgment ensures the recipient understood what is likely a time critical command.
That 380 is such an incredible creation. It was hovering in the air for a moment 😅 then the massive engines makes such a roar on the go around. It's like a dinosaur 😂 (I want 1 😜)
Look at the wheels on the A380, I think they are aligned with the runway not the plane in this shot. I am wondering if the go around was because it exceeded the maximum offset possible.
Purely forced perspective. It was still moving a couple of hundred kts.
@@TiptronicSS Give it a few years and you'll be able to choose one 2nd hand when they get retired🤣🤣
@@blairhoughton7918 A couple hundred kts is quite fast. I'd guesstimate the A380 is only going 120-180kts here, typical for aircraft in the 737-747 size range.
runway 14 doesn’t make any sense, a go around is a go around. the fact that she added the runway was probably the cause of the confusion because she commanded a go around the same way you would command a landing clearence.
Added to that might be language confusion- although pilot sounded fluent.
Finally a Dhaka, Bangladesh Airport aviation video added in your channel. Thx a lot
Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩❤
Great POV showing London City Airport approach!👍👍
@@TheTallRaver thanks!
As others have noted, that QF was a pretty normal departure…
no it wasn't. pilots should not retract the gear before fully lifting off. they should wait until they are fully airborne before retracting. as seen in the clip the gear lever was pushed up while the plane was still on the ground.
@@keane-pronope. The 787-9 and -10, the doors open after lift off. It doesn’t retract the gear. As you can see, just prior to the doors opening, the airplane had a bit of a wobble, so the doors opened, probably because the airplane thought it was airborne.
So you are wrong, the lever was not moved up.
Yeah.
@@keane-proYea mate be sure to check your facts before classifying someone’s statement as completely wrong or false. Back to the books for you hey
At fist I thought that flight into London was in real time and I was like, SHIT! They're coming in HOT!
Is it real footage or game?
@@Bedrock1966 ...Real.
Planes coming in to London City actually approach nose down. Having got used to descent basically being "not nose up" it is a weird feeling but the approach from the west is spectacular. The flight goes right over the London Eye then loops around to head back over Canary Wharf. Its worth the ticket price fir that alone.
Yeah I got really nervous.
I don't have a ton of experience with pilot POV on landing though so all the while I was thinking "this is normal, right ....... RIGHT?" Then it slowed down and I literally unclenched lol
Millennium Falcon coming out of hyperspace
The 787 didn't retract the gear early, it's just a special mechanism to open to doors as soon as the plane lifts off
If the controller didn't keep saying "go around runway 14", and instead just said "go around, go around," there probably wouldn't have been any miscommunication.
Maybe the airport has multiple runways in operation & controlled by the one tower controller ?
*GO AROUND* was very clear in all the transmissions.
@wwt17 The co-pilot clearly understood the instructions. There was no miscommunication from the controller, there was a misunderstanding on the part of the pilot, genius.🤦♂️
Dont get complicated they are trying to include everyone
Inclusivity
Is the key.
@@spanqueluv9er Was that not the pilot of the ATR-72 (or whatever the turboprop thing is) interjecting, rather than the co-pilot of the Dreamliner?
I'm sorry, she said 'go around' with the first call, if I pilot isn't picking up on that it's a BIG problem, what else is this 'pilot' not understanding?
PLEASE GET RID OF THE VERY LOUD MUSIC AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END!
That was a normal approach into London City. It's a 5.5 to 6deg approach, to avoid obstacles - namely a bridge. I've done it a few times - good fun.
The first one,
The Qantas B787 gear retraction is a software thing, not pilot, and it isn't exactly dangerous.
Boeing engineered the B787 gear door to automatically open for gear retraction once the weight on wheels switch is deactivated/immediately after liftoff.
At the stage, the B787 was, it's possible that the wheels were barely touching the ground when the doors started opening.
Though according to Boeing, the gear doors aren't expected to open automatically till the plane is at least 50ft.
It can also automatically close after 10-15sec if the pilot don't call for gear-up. It doesn't not automatically command the gears to go up or down, it just opens and closes the gear doors.
I remember this is a feature to save fuel. The landing gear door open during takeoff, so landing gear could be retracted quicker when pilot initiated gear up. This saves lots of fuel.
0:35 feeling those Air China 981 vibes there
in his defense, without the subtitles, I found it quite hard to understand her instructions
At 0:55, BS 155 voice clarifies the instructions: "She says 'go around', sir." Is interjection with instructions from another pilot allowed, either in unwritten practice or in written procedure?
Yes, safety is everyone's concern.
It is not proper, but as stated before safety is everyone's concern.
Tha woman's voice was so lispy it was very hard to understand.
Swiss was a butter landing after that steep approach 👌
Bad title. The gear doors on the 87-9 (not sure about the -10) open when the weight comes off the wheels. Notice how the landing gear doesn’t begin retracting until many seconds later (once the gear has been selected up in the cockpit). Video title needs to be fixed.
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I find it funny how a pilot had to say go around for the other pilot to understand.
The 787-9 and 787-10 include an automatic Early Doors feature that pre-opens the main landing gear doors on takeoff in anticipation of the pilot commanding the gear to retract. The actual gear don’t retract until selected by the pilot. And that’s what we are seeing here.
0:57 That ATR 72 looks so good.
Like the one in brasil?
@@hEXordo It’s spelled Brazil and also yeah. But first of all that’s pilot error for sure, it’s generally a safe aircraft and I commented on this video before that incident even happened.
@@ArnavWarnav its spelled Brasil in Brazil
@@maspunchnath7487 Are you being dumb on purpose? You have got to be kidding me. You’re THAT stupid?! WTH IS BRASIL
That A380 approach is insane. Passengers must have had several "brown trouser" moments.
F4 pilot at Moody AB Georgia 45 50 years ago did this. Gear popped up, engine stalled, plane bellyflopped on the runway and slid off into the swamp. He was reduced to SSGT and spent his remaining years handing out pool cues and balls at the rec center.
0:53 Sir re-enter avi-world as ATC after retirement LOL
The London landing is quite beautiful.
Yeah, and a beautiful fightsim rendering too.
Please don't tell me your thought this was actual footage?
@@sailorman8668 It is. ive recorded it.
@@johngraves6878 thank you! Glad you liked!
The 787 is me playing tfs, takes off and retract gear early
This is because of headwind pushing the Boeing 787 to lift the left landing gears,making the computer think they had lift off and automatically retracted the landing gear!
The Qantas is fine, -9 and -10 auto open 1 second after rotate, its designed to do that to eliminate the effect the opening doors have during the climb out.
The yaw movement just before the nose raises may have triggered it a little earlier.
The goaround, removing the runway info may of helped including repeating the works goaround twice.
The SWISS air fast approach into London was terrifying until I realised it was sped up. And a sim lol
Bhutan airlines is doing the kai tak approach
I actually have flown the A380 into London Heathrow in winds similar to this plane. It’s actually simple I imputed left rudder and right up aileron and crab the plane looking down the runway. Just don’t get yourself fixated on the 1000 ft marker. I did it in 35 knot winds with fog and light rain. I got to tell you I had to changed my underwear when it was over. I taxied to the gate. I told my co-pilot to get me a cup of coffee and she yelled at me to get off that dam computer and go to bed.
Why the go around in Paro in the last clip? It looked perfect aligned, perfect flare, wings level, and they were about to touch down exactly in the touchdown zone. They were practicing / training, maybe?
2:28 is this training I wonder ? The approach seemed perfect with no obvious need to go around.
Except for the fact that there was a plane on that runway.
@@susanwahl6322 Wrong clip, the poster is referring to the Paro landing.
Too fast would be my guess
@@charlest9440Rich passenger in the other seat going 'Woooooo! Do that again!'
If the Swiss clip hadn't been sped up you would have given us extra seconds of aviation.
I love the wing flex on that A380.
For the first one, usually for the 787-9/10, the pilots retract the gear shortly after takeoff
For any aeroplane with retractable landing gear the pilots retract the landing gear ‘shortly after take-off’ once a positive rate of climb is achieved unless an MEL restriction requires it leaving down.
I thought that London approach was the real speed and was watching in pure terror until the video slowed down.
So what part of this video shows the plane with the wheels retracted?
I'm pretty sure there are safety switches in the landing gear circuits that prohibit gear operation until the weight is off the carriage.
The gear lever cannot be selected up on the ground without operating the lever LOCK OVERRIDE switch on the 787. On the -9 and -10 the aeroplane is designed to open the main gear doors 1 sec after lift-off even if the gear is still selected down.
If this Channel's video clips are a little short and don't quite last for the full 180 seconds, someone in the Comments ALWAYS says, "You owe me (however many)-seconds of Aviation".
This video was 181 seconds long, so... will you take an I.O.U.? 😁
3 minutes with a +/- 1% tolerance 😂
About the 1st Qantas 787, I don’t believe pilots retract ldg gear too early, but it’s normal the main ldg gear doors open as soon as the aircraft lift off in order to save time for retraction.Doors open but ldg gear is still down!…. and set to retract when altimeter increases.
On the Qantas 787 . The inner doors open automatically as soon as the wheels leave the ground . The gear wasn't retracted to early
1) Communication failures seem to be a factor in many accidents and close calls
2) Language barrier + (1) seems to be a *disproportionate* factor in many accidents and close calls. It seems to be a plane survival advantage if English is your native language, and that needs to be rectified somehow
The gear was odd but a go-around at Paro is pretty intense
The first one is cool and crazy
1:37 it look like it’s not moving
Let's put it this way - in the vid, I can't see landing gear retracting when the Qantas plane is still on the ground. Even when it has taken off - the landing gears haven't been retracted at all - as far as we can see in the vid.
A design where the whole tail moves (like the stabilizer) would help in managing cross winds
In the last video, if it was a B737, the pilots would've just slammed it into the ground while recording it on their phones 😂
every video you post is filled with nuggets of wisdom!
There should be a sensor to control when to switch the gear, right?
2:02 it s amazing how effective are the speedbrakes on an A220
I know right¿! he was going too fast but then he hit the airbrakes and slowed down to the correct airspeed.
Oh man if you guys are being serious I’ve lost all hope😂
Landing Gear Retraction
To improve performance, an early doors function automatically pre-opens the main landing gear doors one second after lift-off and prior to the pilot moving the gear lever to the UP position. If the pilot does not move the gear lever to UP within 30 seconds, the main gear doors return to the closed position.
0:41 Prime example of miscommunication through bad English from both parties with bad sound quality, a perfect recipe for an aviation disaster 🤦🏻♂️
1:19 WHAT is that crab angle?!? I wonder if they'll ever try to land an A380 backwards :x
Did you know that south of the equator the propellers do have to spin backwards? Glad I'm not a pilot and have to deal with that!
@@garyb6219they can pay u $1M a year lmao
I'm just wondering, why would retract the gear on the ground
"Can you raise the gear while still on the ground?"
"No, but you can lower the fuselage!"
The audio (presumably of ATC) passed the wind as 290/25. That is NOWHERE NEAR the crosswind limit for an A380 landing on runway 23R (or L) at MAN.
Well that’s 3 mins I’m never getting back
Why is there a Flight Sim clip included? And when did Airbus introduce an A220?
Why did the A319 go around at the end? Too fast or maybe intended? Looked like a nice turn, descent, and approach to me (non-pilot).
He might have thought he floated for too long and said screw it.
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"Discontinue approach" sound a LOT like "Please continue approach", mainly with the accent...
In fact, "Go around" can be mistaken for "Clear to land" because they have the same length, the beginning doesn't sound the same, but you have the "O" and "and" that can be misleading.
The ICAO standard phraseology for go-around say: "Any transmissions to aircraft going around shall be brief and kept to a minimum."
And the standard go-around call if controller initiated should be: "JET 123, go around"
That's it, no runway number, no wind, no nothing, just simple callsign + go around.
That's why standard phraseology is important, runway number often associated with takeoff and landing clearance, if transmission is not clear or got cut out in the middle, pilot might heard: "2035 --- runway 14", in this case, it would be normal for the pilot to guess the intention of the controller is "clear to land runway 14" instead "go around runway 14" .
Also, that "discontinue approach" was also redundant, what controller should say is: "China Eastern 2035, go around".
To be fair, that Dhaka ATC issued a non-standard go around command.
Thats a normal feature to reduce the retraction time (reducing exposure to uneccessary drag). Only way to know if the gear was retracted is to watch the nose gear doors
Standard phraseo for go-around is : "China ... Go-around, I say again Go-around". This reduce miscommunication
It’s a simple call “China Eastern 2035, Go Around” she confused the pilot with the runway number after the go around
I didn't see anything on the gear retraction?
Inaccurate title will retract my finger from clicking on future videos......Oh look a new video click 😊 Creature of habit
Call sign go around , never add runway number , the other pilots did an amazing job , that crosswind was freaky , steep approach at London was scary , coming in a little hot . Being a Helo pilot I don’t have those issues .
787 main gear doors do open early automatically on the - 9 and - 10, but not that early.
I thought the approach to London City airport had a higher degree of entry, due to all the buildings a plane needs to pass first.
:17 something definitely happening close to rollout but how can you tell its landing gear retraction?
OK, this is the last time I click on any of these.
That's crazy and impressive at the same time
Sorry but that 1st clip starts off with real footage (i think) but then cuts to maybe a tower shot from MSFS2020????? Any thoughts? 🤔🤔🤔
Definitely not the case
1:52 a flight simulation?
I was scratching my head on this one too.
It’s not. It’s a Timelapse.
@@aviatordiego4769 It's a timelapse of a simulation - Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.
Please try harder to post factual comments in future.
@@sailorman8668 looks like the one without a brain is you my friend. That’s real life.
They should put AT controllers through a rigorous language training course. Three times did the pilot say the same thing he understood to have been told yet the AT controller keeps repeating the confusing directive.
Since when does Qantas fly to Las Vegas?
"Callsign GO AROUND" would have negated that entire problem...
The old A-26 Maraudes could sit with the gear-up set because the gear wouldn't come up until the weight of the aircraft indicated lift off.