@@mattiapresti7295 OG Assetto Corsa feels significantly better than Automobilista 2 imo. That being said, I haven't tried the newest update. But every time I've tried it, the front end always felt super vague and I could never get a good feel for how I was loading up the tires when cornering. While in Assetto Corsa, I can judge grip levels and load up the tires with so much more precision, detail, and control. It's such a big difference that I've never been able to get into AM2R despite trying many times, pretty much whatever they claim to have improved the tire model and FFB.
@@mattiapresti7295 Please stop citing rf2 as having a good tyre model. The full tyre model is only available to those with the pro version, and even that requires customisation by the development team. rf2 is now ancient technology and feels like it. There are clearly a multitude of Rose Tinted windscreens on those sim-rigs.
I'm stunned that AMS2 Devs had acted that way towards "Mr Punterino" for pointing out what surely the coders must already have known. I wonder how this bug was found. You don't find bugs by looking at code; you find bugs by running the program (testing and playing). Reading between the lines i think what they mean is "that bug you found: we identified the cause".
@@ItaloCassini i hope so! I loved OG AC but i don't want to mess with Mods. I like gaming in AMS2 with the AI drivers but it would be great to have as good a physics experience as you get in AC. (Can't wait for AC 2 but also really wanting AMS2 to excel)
And THIS video, the closing statement in particular, proves, why YOU, fine Sir, are loved by you community so much. Fair, open minded, honest. Thank you Jimmer
Glad you're giving AMS2 another chance and getting to like it. I've said it before, I'm going to say it again - you should give the Brazilian Stock Cars a go, they look absolutely mental.
Thanks, Jimmy, for taking a fresh look at AMS2 and delivering another fair assessment of the sim. In the three years since its initial release, AMS2 certainly has generated more than its fair share of frustration--for simracers, developers, and content creators alike. Fortunately, Reiza appear to have identified the remaining hive of physics gremlins and are in the process of rooting them out. The upcoming V1.5 physics and tire model updates have the potential to elevate the driving experience in AMS2 out of the "Simulator-ish" tier and into the upper echelon of racing sims. Undoubtedly, other areas remain that can benefit from further development, but class-leading VR, a wide range of content, and (finally) a realistic, predictable, and entertaining driving experience is more than enough to merit a second chance.
I'm much more of a casual driver, but when I started trying out AMS2, I immediately went back to Assetto Corsa, as it felt much better. However with every major update I checked back into AMS2 and it's now at the point for me, where I consider it to be as good as AC. And since they're not stopping with development anytime soon, it will probably be my favorite race sim farely soon.
Happy to see you're enjoying it! I've been beta testing and I can confidently say that the new physics are a huge improvement over the whole sim. I hope more people pick it up once 1.5 hits.
@@dimsoneill Based on what I've seen in the beta process, they do seem to have learned a bit about what people want out of the sim, and have been taking a lot of feedback as of late to make it happen. Hoping they keep a good attitude and continue to improve.
I have to admit that I've never experienced the issues I've heard that AMS2 had with handling, the most common being that it felt 'floaty'. But I've almost spent no time in open wheelers, mostly using GT3, Group A, and Super V8. I actually felt like out of the box, AC was the sim with the worst feeling and took a lot of tweaking of FFB to get it to feel right. But, I have driven a few of the Formula cars since the updates just for fun (I can only get competitive times in F3) and they feel pretty great to me. So whatever the updates did, the cars feel fantastic now and the McLaren MP4-4 and 6 are great fun to drive, and the hardest H-pattern cars I've driven to date
Driving in AMS2, although I enjoy it, still isn’t quite there for me. That said if I had a personal wishlist for DLC content in any driving game, AMS2 has checked almost every box. Cleveland, classic Hockenheim and Nurburgring…plus Le Mans and SpaRX to come. No other game can touch that. Just incredible DLCs
it's music I know Jimmy and his editor use royalty free, it's not new to me anymore lol, having heard my version of Deja Vu for years now on the stream intro
As someone who’s played lots of Project Cars 2 and driven Indycars around Long Beach you can see how close these two games look. For obvious reasons. (Madness engine)
I think part of the reason your video from two years ago caused such a frenzy was because of how close to collapse this game was at the time, which **may** have caused the dev's to be rather over defensive.
Eh, Jimmy added a lot of words into the mouths of the devs. Devs: There was a glitch that affected the values input to our models Jimmy: What this suggests to me is that .... [conjecture] .... something I was criticised for saying. The devs only described the issue with their model, not how it could've affected the driving experience of the player. Jim made all that part up. Goes without saying that the "messages" the devs sent were poor from their end
Since you are famous for your Nordschleife content it would be cool if you'd showcase the historic Nordschleife (and Südschleife maybe) at some point :]
it could entirely be the case that what is being referenced in their dev blog is something that happened much later and after Jim ever tried it last time. If you look at the latest dev blog today, a shitload of changes were there
Glad to see you having fun in the sim! I agree, whatever they've done has brought the whole thing alive Id love to see you try out the 1974 F1 cars at some point. If you like that 'edge of grip' thing, they're exactly what you're looking for :)
Surely AMS2 has some challenges doing those 'slip of grid' things autentically, just compared with their own AMS1 ISIMotor2 sim engine, but F1 1974 and Classic Porsche 911 RSR '74 seems to be working trustworthy here with excellent outcome!
I was literally at the 1975 US Grand Prix at Watkins Glen (older guy). I found the 1975 F1 car set on Race Dept. Sitting on that grid in the sim along side those many names that would become F1 legends got me a little choked up. And the cars now drive outstanding. Thank you Rieza, and thank you ianez for the wonderful liveries and AI!
With what happened between you and Reiza a couple years ago, I'm honestly impressed you gave it a second chance. No matter who was in the right back then, this was a very commendable step on your part that many people wouldn't have had the character to make after having such a "falling out". I also think it's justified. Being a regular forum user, there has always been a tendency of "one step forward, half a step back" with the physics of this game, resulting in some good and some horrible cars (like the Caterhams). Being a beta member now, I can honestly say that every car that receives these updates is either subtly or massively better off for it. Not to say it's perfect, because nothing will ever be, but it's much, much closer.
So it wasn't just me then (the Caterhams), they felt good in every game I played *except* AMS2, and was wondering why so many were raving about it in this game. I tried to tune them up and they drove like absolute dogshit no matter what. It made no sense because I watched numerous IRL track videos and the physics in the game did NOT match up or even get anywhere close to what they're like IRL. I haven't played the game in some months now but if the physics update is really this good I might have to hop on again.
@@gabrielmalta1962Jimmy mentioned it briefly, but as far as i know he got quite much hate by someone actually working on ams2, which was just really childish and not something a company should do. As far as i know it was because he said he didnt like the feel of the game as much, but even said that it was just his own opinion and preference.
The biggest step up for me is the formula ultimate gen 2. Before the update it just felt aweful to drive, but after the update it's one of my favourite current gen F1 experiences
@@EZCCW Yes it is. That was also my issue, but that got fixed some time ago (you may need to delete car settings if you feel that is still happening). It has now transformed into my goto sim. It used to be a sim that I wanted to drive until I started a race then remembered how bad it could bite for no reason. All that is a thing of the past. You can recover almost all oversteer situations (other than self imposed). Bear in mind the 1.5 patch isn't even out yet (very soon) but the tyre model has been applied to some cars as mentioned.
@@Karlywoo_Plays Yup they are pretty easy to control now. Especially in launch. I tried to launch an F1 ultimate gen 2 nearly flat out and there wasn't that much wheel spin and the car remained straight. It pretty much behaved as I would expect to based on what I've seen irl
I know nothing about sim racing, don't even have a wheel with pedals. Playing with a PS4 controller but I love AMS2. Driving feels to me more organic than ACC. GT3 cars are the most fun to drive in AMS2.
The guys who built this gave you crap!! that really isn't cool.. but they have fixed it. They are lucky you revisited this. given how they behaved, I've had people review my products and say bad things, we went back to the drawing board and improved. Feedback is all we have sometimes! it's always a blessing unless you have ego issues.
Just in case owners of AMS2 are on the RC stream on Steam are confused, the BETA stream is entirely separate and requires permission from Reiza to access. Those of us lucky enough to try it out are not permitted to post images or video of what we see. The reason is some of the content is WIP whilst other parts are close to release, and the builds add and remove parts constantly to allow testing to be focused on specific areas of development. The upcoming DLC is awesome but not polished, yet. I have never had as much laugh-out-loud fun as when driving on the beta multiplayer servers. It is very freeing when SR is not on the line.
Once you find the good cars, AMS2 is awesome. For the past few days I've been driving the 1994 F1 car around the 1980's Jerez and Estoril, what a blast.
The reason I come back to AMS 2 is because its super easy to set up a private online server, invite your friends, fill the lobby with AI, and go race with a bunch of options. There is a lot of fun to be had there. I am really excited to see the rest of the update as more and more cars get the physics patch since racing the GT3s, the mini JCWs, and some of the lower class cars still feels super disconnected. Ive really enjoyed my time with this game so far, always happy to see games move in a positive direction.
Thats why we still play PC2 sometimes. Setting up a game with friends is just nice. All the serious sims lack at that. To bad that there wont be a PC4...
Game is still full of bugs, some of the worst are Multiplayer Green lights not showing at the same time for everyone, dry line after rain also appearing at different times for different players, cutting corners and saving 5 seconds and all you get is warning lol, cars driving straight with wheels turned to full lock, or cars hovering over the tracks... This game is absolute rubbish, graphics are really nice, but thats about it.
For me, I couldn't stand the physics of AMS2 either for a long time. I think it was late 2021 where they finally released a big FFB and tire model overhaul that finally made the driving mostly enjoyable. Still wasn't perfect as that simultaneous oversteer/understeer/floaty feeling never fully went away, but at least with the new FFB and tire model, you could tune most of it out. That update finally got me comfortable with the driving, but it was the AI that honestly kept me playing it. Every other sim, the AI just drive around single file and are very predictable to race against. The AI in AMS2 still struggle and can be predictable through certain corners, but they're so much more aggressive when battling other cars that it just creates for some really fun and brilliant racing. Coming from AC where the AI just give you the corner even though they still have two car lengths on you, AMS2's AI will pin you on the outside of the track, try to out break you, and actually try to come back on you before you get away. When you get near them, they'll push themselves further and sometimes make mistakes because so like missing the apex or hitting track limits. So I'm really excited for the Le Mans update coming later this year. Only thing I feel AMS2 is missing are modern prototypes and GTs. Also Reiza's historic tracks have just been absolutely amazing. You have to give a 70s F1 car ago on the 1971 Nordschliefe.
Awesome to see you try the game again! For me 1.5 is so substantial it's hard to drive any other content that doesn't have it, cannot wait for the full patch next week. The amount of tracks and racing series this game has out of the box, combined with the dynamic weather system and their AI improvements is some of the best sim racing experiences I've ever had. It really helps that the online community can be really chill to play with since it's so small and dedicated, and setting up a server and inviting your friends is a breeze (compared to RF2/AC/ACC anyways lol). I strongly recommend you give the historic Norsdchleife a go! Easily the best version of that historical track ever made in a sim, so detailed and the Sudschleife is absolutely incredible. Spa historical is up there too, I just did that last night with a couple friends in Group C cars and the experience was so intense and scary fast. Lots of content to be enjoyed in this sim even with this amount of cars with the new physics, but next week when they all get it it should be so fun, can't wait to discover what new cars are gonna be my favorite :D
If it's any consolation in regards to the devs' previous comments, there have been a few times recently where they've worded things... poorly, we'll say, and they promptly realized it and apologized for lashing out. Sometimes peoples' social skills receive updates just like their games. Unrelated, but the F-USA 2023s are absolutely mental in how good they feel. I absolutely urge everyone to drive them.
AMS2 has been my racing sim of choice for the single player racing, especially with the racinglife mod. I have always thought there was just some weird things going on especially in the lower speed corners where grip just didn't feel right but I just chalked it up to me being bad. All the things you described in the video as issues are exactly what I was experiencing so I am very excited to get my rig setup again and get more time behind the wheel in AMS2.
The thing that had always been a winner for me with AMS2 is the awesome selection of tracks (loads of South American ones I’ve never raced before) and the huge selection of cars. If the new updates are as good as they sound, this game could really take off. Fingers crossed!
If you drive in VR, the Madness graphics engine is too good to be ignored. I doubt Reiza had any idea how much would be involved in turning around the PC2 handling and FFB, but kudos to them for putting in massive work to tear it all down and rebuild it into something much improved. I've been on the beta branch and they are working through the car classes updating to the 1.5 model and tuning the AI. They've really pushed the engine quite far from the point where the PC2 developers gave up and walked away.
I see people with even 4090's struggling to get max fps with higher-end hmd's. For me AC fully modded and Iracing run much, much smoother in VR, despite optimizing the hell out of AMS2. AMS2 also looks very blurry in distance for me and I just can't figure out what is causing this, only can find posts from others experiencing the same.
Not sure what happened with the devs but I found reiza to be one of the best, most open and keen to listen to fans teams out there…the updates they give fans and the quality / price of DLC has been class leading. As with ANY sim some cars feel great and others not so much. This is not unique to AMS2 - it’s still not rf2 levels of FFB but it’s damn good fun, and sometimes that’s all that matters!!
I love AMS2, it is my sim of choice and the current cars with the updated physics feel great. I cannot wait for 1.5. I didn't know that Reiza left bad comments in the past, that is pretty shit but I'm glad you gave it another shot and I hope you do more coverage of it in the future.
@@jstro-hobbytech It's their lovechild, and they are a small studio. I don't approve this kind of attacks, but I can kind of understand why they would throw a tantrum. It's like someone telling your child is ugly. AMS2 already didn't have great player numbers on Steam, it's a niche thing, and JImmy has lot of influence as the largest simracing RUclipsr. But honestly, I never liked how it feels compared to AMS1. VR performance, graphics, car/track selection, all great, but I didn't feel as connected to the car as with AMS1. Then again AMS1 beats every other sim for me, in terms of feel. Haven't tried AMS2 in ages though, now it's probably better
Why do this before the full v1.5 release? Reading the release notes reveals would know the entirety of the tyre model release is NOT in the partial update tested here. Important point as this will all change again in August. FYI: The devs were not happy with Jimmy because he went all "funny influencer" and "funny content creator" rather than "researcher" and "reviewer". The failure to communicate was definitely not all one sided as JB suggests in this video. It was certainly annoying to hear a *list of incorrect information amongst legitimate criticism.* The forum posts were actually very respectful even when giving Jimmy a ticking off for not evidently not spending enough time doing his research before his video as SimRacing604 would have done. The forum posts recognised JB does not do in-depth reviews, just videos he finds entertaining and hopes we will, too. Being genuine is why JB is rightly and justifiably successful. FWIW, I have never believed Jimmy has ever gone out of his way to attack the sim; it is just he suffers from being passionate. Like all of us with a driving passion for what we do, sometimes we come off as being a bit of a dick.
Renato and his Reiza team are doing a monster effort against any madness, i.e. the Madness Engine. Since I acquired AMS2 just pre Cov19 I think maybe 35-40% of my total sim time has been dedicated to AMS2. For a jack of all trades sims new, old and ancient and mostly into huge databases of mods it tells me that they've been on the right track especially since the intro of the FFB+ controller option.
I'm really excited for the new tire model to get distributed to all cars. I understand if you're still soured on the game due to the developer feedback, but I'd love to see more AMS2 content from you, since there's so much wierd and historically significant content in the game. Wierd and historically significant Assetto Corsa content have been my favorite Jimmy videos for years.
I honesty don't get how Jimmer could be seen as malicious or intentionally critical. He's always struck me as honest and straight talking (and funny). I think the modern world seems less able to cope with constructive feedback. Carry on Mr Broadbent but also wishing a bright future for Automobilista 2. P.S. They fixed a catastrophic bug. Frankly the developer should be grovelling and apologising to loyal users who now have to adjust their driving skills away from something that was actually broken, lol. Kinda proves Mr Broadbent's point as well. Sorry, long day, too much wine, a jazz cigarette and feeling feisty.
Explaining the gear shifting issue, you can damage gears with repeated bad shifts. It shouldn't be that easy to mess up upshifts with that car as I believe it should have auto-cut (maybe a bug that slipped through), but it absolutely will happen with some of the F-Classics that had sequentials and no auto-cut if you don't rev match.
Glad to see your enjoying this sim. Its reiza studios what i really believe in, they haven't given in with the madness engine. They just want ams 2 to be the best they can make it.
It really seems like they are in it for the long haul. They really haven't found any limitations to the engine itself. Just bugs to cure. A lot of people speculated that Reiza would be looking to make an AMS3 by 2025, but I don't think that's the case. I can see AMS2 being their sole content platform for the remainder of this decade (maybe a few years less, but it would be great to see a console port in that time!)
@flyingphoenix113 yeah and that is why reiza deserve more credit for sticking around with the sim. It really goes to show that if a studio keeps working on their titles whats possible. A console port would be great to get more people into simulation.
I have been playing AMS2 nearly every Saturday for the last year and a half. I have always felt the cars were on the brink of uncontrollable. Eventually you get use to it and drive them within the limits of the game. However, with this new update, the cars behave more predictably. Spinning around is less likely and when you do start to spin there is a chance to save it. Previously, if you spun it was pretty much game over.
One of the issues AMS2 had (or have related to not updated cars), was that the default/default+ FFB felt really strange, which I think contributed cars feeling strange for many. I was pretty happy with few of the custom FFB options, but naturally those custom FFB files doesn't come with the game and you would need to go that extra effort to find and install one. Fortunately this isn't the case anymore with the cars with updated tire model and I hope it still holds true with rest of the cars when full 1.5 is released. Not sure what has happened with the devs in the past, but for the past year I have followed the AMS2 forums, I haven't noticed any stupid or offensive behavior from the developers. As for fanboys, nah, I don't think it's any more toxic than with any other sim out there. It's quite natural reaction to get defensive when somebody starts claim something you like a lot as crap, even though it might be true. I have had a lot of fun AMS2 in the past year, it's improving all the time and there is a lot of great content. I honestly think these latest improvements to the handling make a huge difference to previous. Even from the updated cars, some feel better than others (Formula Junior feels really good and fun to try). Even though I'm currently focusing on rFactor 2, I don't have problems going back to AMS2 (for updated cars).
The game still feels very arcadey, when I hit the brake what I dont feel much weight transfer and car rotation but just the rear starting to slip in a very controllable way. I find myself countersteering like in a rally game. I dont regret buying the game but I would never play it for long time as it would get me bad habits when going back to iRacing or ACC.
To clarify these cars are updated to the new "1.5 physics standards" but the game is not version 1.5 yet (that should come later this month, or early August). But yes huge steps in the right direction month after month from Reiza.
There are so many glitches in this sim that have not been adressed first before trying to implement other things. Sooo many i cant start or it will end up a book on here.
Please more ams2, old Nordschleife with a Porsche would be dope. The ffb and feel of the cars seems to be exactly what I am looking for and one of the main reasons to finally buy a pc.
Having never heard about the AMS2 devs and community coming after you, my first thought upon hearing about it was "Well, it's not like he wants to not like it." and I glad you echoed my thoughts during the video. Sometimes you just don't enjoy an experience, and that's fine, and it's fine when others disagree. No one jumps into a game (or anything for that matter) wanting to not like it, and people get so worked up over differing opinions. You enjoy it, cool. If you don't enjoy it, also cool. Well done though for actually coming back after the bad experience, despite everything you've given it another go and enjoyed it. As you said, hopefully the AMS2 community can be a bit kinder about it all in the future.
FINALLY! Installing it again then, i love AMS2's immersion but the physics were just not there. Definitely giving it a go, thank you for this vid, i would have never known otherwise.
One thing that drives me crazy about AMS2 is how the tires will break loose while upshifting under full throttle on a lot of the sequential manual cars.
You're definitely in for a big surprise when the actual v1.5 drops. Every car has changed in the beta, even the ones there were already with the new tires.
I've been pulling my hair out trying to get my csl dd and mclaren gt3 wheel to work in this game for the last 2 days. So hit and miss, such a shame as FFB feels good.
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In this video, Jimmy managed to establish 2 things:
- AMS2's biggest enemy is the tire model(s)
- Jimmy's biggest enemy is 5th gear
@@mattiapresti7295 OG Assetto Corsa feels significantly better than Automobilista 2 imo. That being said, I haven't tried the newest update. But every time I've tried it, the front end always felt super vague and I could never get a good feel for how I was loading up the tires when cornering. While in Assetto Corsa, I can judge grip levels and load up the tires with so much more precision, detail, and control. It's such a big difference that I've never been able to get into AM2R despite trying many times, pretty much whatever they claim to have improved the tire model and FFB.
@@mattiapresti7295 Please stop citing rf2 as having a good tyre model. The full tyre model is only available to those with the pro version, and even that requires customisation by the development team. rf2 is now ancient technology and feels like it. There are clearly a multitude of Rose Tinted windscreens on those sim-rigs.
I'm stunned that AMS2 Devs had acted that way towards "Mr Punterino" for pointing out what surely the coders must already have known. I wonder how this bug was found. You don't find bugs by looking at code; you find bugs by running the program (testing and playing). Reading between the lines i think what they mean is "that bug you found: we identified the cause".
The tire model will be revamped in the upcoming 1.5 update.
So it would be a good time to jump in and play it again.
@@ItaloCassini i hope so! I loved OG AC but i don't want to mess with Mods. I like gaming in AMS2 with the AI drivers but it would be great to have as good a physics experience as you get in AC. (Can't wait for AC 2 but also really wanting AMS2 to excel)
And THIS video, the closing statement in particular, proves, why YOU, fine Sir, are loved by you community so much. Fair, open minded, honest. Thank you Jimmer
Hopefully AMS2 and the devs' attitude keep improving. I love AMS2 despite it's issues since it's the only sim I've found that works really well in VR.
This combination looks like so much fun, those old CARTs / Indycars and their race tracks are so rare to find on console sadly
Glad you're giving AMS2 another chance and getting to like it. I've said it before, I'm going to say it again - you should give the Brazilian Stock Cars a go, they look absolutely mental.
Thanks, Jimmy, for taking a fresh look at AMS2 and delivering another fair assessment of the sim. In the three years since its initial release, AMS2 certainly has generated more than its fair share of frustration--for simracers, developers, and content creators alike. Fortunately, Reiza appear to have identified the remaining hive of physics gremlins and are in the process of rooting them out. The upcoming V1.5 physics and tire model updates have the potential to elevate the driving experience in AMS2 out of the "Simulator-ish" tier and into the upper echelon of racing sims. Undoubtedly, other areas remain that can benefit from further development, but class-leading VR, a wide range of content, and (finally) a realistic, predictable, and entertaining driving experience is more than enough to merit a second chance.
you HAVE to do some videos on historic nords
I'm much more of a casual driver, but when I started trying out AMS2, I immediately went back to Assetto Corsa, as it felt much better.
However with every major update I checked back into AMS2 and it's now at the point for me, where I consider it to be as good as AC.
And since they're not stopping with development anytime soon, it will probably be my favorite race sim farely soon.
Interesting what you said about AMS2 ai, I've found the AMS2 ai to be some of the best in any sim I've played
>Standing start
>H-shifting a '98 CART car
:P
Excited to give this update a try with Indy oval course. Seems like the best sim out there as far as realism for that track that isn't iRacing.
Quick correction the F-vintages have not got the new tyre model yet
Btw any chance of seeing’s you play around with the fantastic classic Nurburgring?
Happy to see you're enjoying it! I've been beta testing and I can confidently say that the new physics are a huge improvement over the whole sim. I hope more people pick it up once 1.5 hits.
I hope the devs eat humble pie and learn that accurate feedback is a blessing and those giving it should be respected, not abused.
@@dimsoneill Based on what I've seen in the beta process, they do seem to have learned a bit about what people want out of the sim, and have been taking a lot of feedback as of late to make it happen. Hoping they keep a good attitude and continue to improve.
Only issue is the car sound for the 1995 cars. They don't have that high pitched noise that they had IRL.
For sure we’ve been waiting for them to figure it all out. Glad you gave that a go again. 😊
Funny I spent all the video remembering what driver was he racing against if it was reaal life, brought back memories of that time :D
I have to admit that I've never experienced the issues I've heard that AMS2 had with handling, the most common being that it felt 'floaty'. But I've almost spent no time in open wheelers, mostly using GT3, Group A, and Super V8. I actually felt like out of the box, AC was the sim with the worst feeling and took a lot of tweaking of FFB to get it to feel right.
But, I have driven a few of the Formula cars since the updates just for fun (I can only get competitive times in F3) and they feel pretty great to me. So whatever the updates did, the cars feel fantastic now and the McLaren MP4-4 and 6 are great fun to drive, and the hardest H-pattern cars I've driven to date
I love AMS2 whenever I wanna just mess around and drive it's the go to for me
I enjoy a car sponsored by LAGER. I hope there's another sponsored by CIGARETTES and maybe OIL.
Try art of rally 😂
Next to CRYPTOSCAM, ENERGY DRINK, and SHADY DATA MINING COMPANY
You can feel the car eve watching the video, looks a lot more connected!
I;'ve tried this combo with my R9 base and wow, SO fun to drive. It's trying to kill me every corner.
5 min in and I am like WHAT THE HELL IS ON JIMMY's FEET ?? Great when you are glued to the sights to not notice :P
you know he really liked driving it when he did the cooldown lap
Glad I watched this. Revisited ams2 after and it's much much better than it used to be.
Driving in AMS2, although I enjoy it, still isn’t quite there for me. That said if I had a personal wishlist for DLC content in any driving game, AMS2 has checked almost every box. Cleveland, classic Hockenheim and Nurburgring…plus Le Mans and SpaRX to come. No other game can touch that. Just incredible DLCs
Amphobius music would be smiling after hearing "Indy" in the intro.
it's music I know Jimmy and his editor use royalty free, it's not new to me anymore lol, having heard my version of Deja Vu for years now on the stream intro
@@amphobius Nailed it 👏
don’t worry jim we can’t all be rapid on ams2 👀🏁😂❤️
2:33 did I hear what I think I heard over “confused”
As someone who’s played lots of Project Cars 2 and driven Indycars around Long Beach you can see how close these two games look. For obvious reasons. (Madness engine)
I think part of the reason your video from two years ago caused such a frenzy was because of how close to collapse this game was at the time, which **may** have caused the dev's to be rather over defensive.
do u prefer a r9 wheel base now
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(oversteer X understeer) + slide = wall
Jimmy: here's what I think is wrong with your game.
Devs: Fuck you, but also we agree
Eh, Jimmy added a lot of words into the mouths of the devs.
Devs: There was a glitch that affected the values input to our models
Jimmy: What this suggests to me is that .... [conjecture] .... something I was criticised for saying.
The devs only described the issue with their model, not how it could've affected the driving experience of the player. Jim made all that part up.
Goes without saying that the "messages" the devs sent were poor from their end
@@danielo7985 bro he literally read what was on screen
@@danielo7985there is a bit of a language barrier as well I've noticed it on the forums when reiza devs sound harsher than I think they intend
@@danielo7985 Me: makes a joke
You: Achkuallauly
@@danielo7985 are you one of those people Jimmy mentioned at this beginning? The ones that were defending AMS2 as if their lives depended on it?
Since you are famous for your Nordschleife content it would be cool if you'd showcase the historic Nordschleife (and Südschleife maybe) at some point :]
Südschleife on the formula junior is a great experience.
He actually has a video from a few years ago of a 1960s version of the Nordschleife with a Porsche 908 in AC. It's a great video!
@@mikecroshaw9233 Formula Vintage Gen 1 also. 😍Just WOW.
He’s done this multiple times just google search it mate
@@Volkain10not on ams2
Jimmy : The cars feel weird something seems off with the physics model
AMS2 : Fuck off
AMS2 : Hey so a funny thing happened
"The rubber-friction coefficient mixed with the composition differences between concrete and asphalt led us to believe..."
it could entirely be the case that what is being referenced in their dev blog is something that happened much later and after Jim ever tried it last time. If you look at the latest dev blog today, a shitload of changes were there
Jimmer, if you keep saying nice things about AMS2 maybe Rieza will give us a Praga.
Glad to see you having fun in the sim! I agree, whatever they've done has brought the whole thing alive
Id love to see you try out the 1974 F1 cars at some point. If you like that 'edge of grip' thing, they're exactly what you're looking for :)
Surely AMS2 has some challenges doing those 'slip of grid' things autentically, just compared with their own AMS1 ISIMotor2 sim engine, but F1 1974 and Classic Porsche 911 RSR '74 seems to be working trustworthy here with excellent outcome!
I was literally at the 1975 US Grand Prix at Watkins Glen (older guy). I found the 1975 F1 car set on Race Dept. Sitting on that grid in the sim along side those many names that would become F1 legends got me a little choked up. And the cars now drive outstanding. Thank you Rieza, and thank you ianez for the wonderful liveries and AI!
To see a legend watching another legend’s videos, makes me happy. You’re a treasure, Jake.
With what happened between you and Reiza a couple years ago, I'm honestly impressed you gave it a second chance. No matter who was in the right back then, this was a very commendable step on your part that many people wouldn't have had the character to make after having such a "falling out".
I also think it's justified. Being a regular forum user, there has always been a tendency of "one step forward, half a step back" with the physics of this game, resulting in some good and some horrible cars (like the Caterhams).
Being a beta member now, I can honestly say that every car that receives these updates is either subtly or massively better off for it. Not to say it's perfect, because nothing will ever be, but it's much, much closer.
May I ask, what was the issue with Reiza? Honest question, I am out the loop
So it wasn't just me then (the Caterhams), they felt good in every game I played *except* AMS2, and was wondering why so many were raving about it in this game. I tried to tune them up and they drove like absolute dogshit no matter what. It made no sense because I watched numerous IRL track videos and the physics in the game did NOT match up or even get anywhere close to what they're like IRL. I haven't played the game in some months now but if the physics update is really this good I might have to hop on again.
@@gabrielmalta1962Jimmy mentioned it briefly, but as far as i know he got quite much hate by someone actually working on ams2, which was just really childish and not something a company should do. As far as i know it was because he said he didnt like the feel of the game as much, but even said that it was just his own opinion and preference.
@@nearlyalmostdead I see. Kind of dick move from them. I'm proud of AMS2 as it is an indie project from my country, but thats no way to behave
@@Housesider Only do it after 1.5, it's currently still horrible in the public release build.
The biggest step up for me is the formula ultimate gen 2. Before the update it just felt aweful to drive, but after the update it's one of my favourite current gen F1 experiences
Is it actually drivable without spinning out at the exit of every turn? That was my biggest difficulty with that car last time I drove it lol
@@EZCCW Yes it is. That was also my issue, but that got fixed some time ago (you may need to delete car settings if you feel that is still happening).
It has now transformed into my goto sim. It used to be a sim that I wanted to drive until I started a race then remembered how bad it could bite for no reason.
All that is a thing of the past. You can recover almost all oversteer situations (other than self imposed).
Bear in mind the 1.5 patch isn't even out yet (very soon) but the tyre model has been applied to some cars as mentioned.
do the cars that have have the new tyre models not spin as soon as 1% too much throttle is applied?
Wait for the 1.5 update since the release of the current version it has been improved even more...
@@Karlywoo_Plays Yup they are pretty easy to control now. Especially in launch. I tried to launch an F1 ultimate gen 2 nearly flat out and there wasn't that much wheel spin and the car remained straight. It pretty much behaved as I would expect to based on what I've seen irl
I know nothing about sim racing, don't even have a wheel with pedals. Playing with a PS4 controller but I love AMS2. Driving feels to me more organic than ACC. GT3 cars are the most fun to drive in AMS2.
I hope you do a newer video after they release the full 1.5 version for all cars.
Now you've got to try the old Nordschliefe.
The guys who built this gave you crap!! that really isn't cool.. but they have fixed it. They are lucky you revisited this. given how they behaved, I've had people review my products and say bad things, we went back to the drawing board and improved. Feedback is all we have sometimes! it's always a blessing unless you have ego issues.
most sim devs are like this, very proud of their work, but also very proud of their work.
i'm in the beta and can confirm the new tyres are a game changer on pretty much all cars
Just in case owners of AMS2 are on the RC stream on Steam are confused, the BETA stream is entirely separate and requires permission from Reiza to access. Those of us lucky enough to try it out are not permitted to post images or video of what we see. The reason is some of the content is WIP whilst other parts are close to release, and the builds add and remove parts constantly to allow testing to be focused on specific areas of development.
The upcoming DLC is awesome but not polished, yet. I have never had as much laugh-out-loud fun as when driving on the beta multiplayer servers. It is very freeing when SR is not on the line.
Once you find the good cars, AMS2 is awesome. For the past few days I've been driving the 1994 F1 car around the 1980's Jerez and Estoril, what a blast.
To be pedantic, there is no 1994 f1 cars, f-classic gen4 is 1991 and f-v12 is 1995
@@Rmagid the definitely not a Williams gen 4 has a lot of 1994 bodywork iirc
The reason I come back to AMS 2 is because its super easy to set up a private online server, invite your friends, fill the lobby with AI, and go race with a bunch of options. There is a lot of fun to be had there. I am really excited to see the rest of the update as more and more cars get the physics patch since racing the GT3s, the mini JCWs, and some of the lower class cars still feels super disconnected. Ive really enjoyed my time with this game so far, always happy to see games move in a positive direction.
Thats why we still play PC2 sometimes. Setting up a game with friends is just nice. All the serious sims lack at that. To bad that there wont be a PC4...
Game is still full of bugs, some of the worst are Multiplayer Green lights not showing at the same time for everyone, dry line after rain also appearing at different times for different players, cutting corners and saving 5 seconds and all you get is warning lol, cars driving straight with wheels turned to full lock, or cars hovering over the tracks... This game is absolute rubbish, graphics are really nice, but thats about it.
For me, I couldn't stand the physics of AMS2 either for a long time. I think it was late 2021 where they finally released a big FFB and tire model overhaul that finally made the driving mostly enjoyable. Still wasn't perfect as that simultaneous oversteer/understeer/floaty feeling never fully went away, but at least with the new FFB and tire model, you could tune most of it out. That update finally got me comfortable with the driving, but it was the AI that honestly kept me playing it. Every other sim, the AI just drive around single file and are very predictable to race against. The AI in AMS2 still struggle and can be predictable through certain corners, but they're so much more aggressive when battling other cars that it just creates for some really fun and brilliant racing. Coming from AC where the AI just give you the corner even though they still have two car lengths on you, AMS2's AI will pin you on the outside of the track, try to out break you, and actually try to come back on you before you get away. When you get near them, they'll push themselves further and sometimes make mistakes because so like missing the apex or hitting track limits. So I'm really excited for the Le Mans update coming later this year. Only thing I feel AMS2 is missing are modern prototypes and GTs. Also Reiza's historic tracks have just been absolutely amazing. You have to give a 70s F1 car ago on the 1971 Nordschliefe.
Awesome to see you try the game again! For me 1.5 is so substantial it's hard to drive any other content that doesn't have it, cannot wait for the full patch next week. The amount of tracks and racing series this game has out of the box, combined with the dynamic weather system and their AI improvements is some of the best sim racing experiences I've ever had. It really helps that the online community can be really chill to play with since it's so small and dedicated, and setting up a server and inviting your friends is a breeze (compared to RF2/AC/ACC anyways lol).
I strongly recommend you give the historic Norsdchleife a go! Easily the best version of that historical track ever made in a sim, so detailed and the Sudschleife is absolutely incredible. Spa historical is up there too, I just did that last night with a couple friends in Group C cars and the experience was so intense and scary fast. Lots of content to be enjoyed in this sim even with this amount of cars with the new physics, but next week when they all get it it should be so fun, can't wait to discover what new cars are gonna be my favorite :D
I am loving smug Jimmy at the start of this vid. You let em know, king
If it's any consolation in regards to the devs' previous comments, there have been a few times recently where they've worded things... poorly, we'll say, and they promptly realized it and apologized for lashing out. Sometimes peoples' social skills receive updates just like their games.
Unrelated, but the F-USA 2023s are absolutely mental in how good they feel. I absolutely urge everyone to drive them.
Correct, One of the best formula experiences in any sim, period. If only *any* car in iRacing felt so fun and good.
AMS2 has been my racing sim of choice for the single player racing, especially with the racinglife mod. I have always thought there was just some weird things going on especially in the lower speed corners where grip just didn't feel right but I just chalked it up to me being bad. All the things you described in the video as issues are exactly what I was experiencing so I am very excited to get my rig setup again and get more time behind the wheel in AMS2.
The thing that had always been a winner for me with AMS2 is the awesome selection of tracks (loads of South American ones I’ve never raced before) and the huge selection of cars. If the new updates are as good as they sound, this game could really take off.
Fingers crossed!
You are actually 2 weeks to early, ams2 1.5 is basically a new game.
If you drive in VR, the Madness graphics engine is too good to be ignored. I doubt Reiza had any idea how much would be involved in turning around the PC2 handling and FFB, but kudos to them for putting in massive work to tear it all down and rebuild it into something much improved. I've been on the beta branch and they are working through the car classes updating to the 1.5 model and tuning the AI. They've really pushed the engine quite far from the point where the PC2 developers gave up and walked away.
I would argue the PC2 devs gave up for a reason 😂
I see people with even 4090's struggling to get max fps with higher-end hmd's. For me AC fully modded and Iracing run much, much smoother in VR, despite optimizing the hell out of AMS2. AMS2 also looks very blurry in distance for me and I just can't figure out what is causing this, only can find posts from others experiencing the same.
Cool to see you give a sim another try.
Not sure what happened with the devs but I found reiza to be one of the best, most open and keen to listen to fans teams out there…the updates they give fans and the quality / price of DLC has been class leading. As with ANY sim some cars feel great and others not so much. This is not unique to AMS2 - it’s still not rf2 levels of FFB but it’s damn good fun, and sometimes that’s all that matters!!
Some youtubers are extremely sensitive that is what happened.
@@andreic5822 no it's proof that Reiza are immature and eating the dust of rFactor 2, iRacing
Finally he does it again
I love AMS2, it is my sim of choice and the current cars with the updated physics feel great. I cannot wait for 1.5. I didn't know that Reiza left bad comments in the past, that is pretty shit but I'm glad you gave it another shot and I hope you do more coverage of it in the future.
Jimmy once again proves he’s a better person then us, if I had the platform and devs talked to me like that I would be making a whole video about it
I agree. Imagine being trolled by devs. That alone has blacklisted this game or any game they ever make.
@@jstro-hobbytechmeh...dont think do.
It might do if you only race sims based on what other ppl think instead of trying it for yourself...
@@jstro-hobbytech It's their lovechild, and they are a small studio. I don't approve this kind of attacks, but I can kind of understand why they would throw a tantrum. It's like someone telling your child is ugly. AMS2 already didn't have great player numbers on Steam, it's a niche thing, and JImmy has lot of influence as the largest simracing RUclipsr.
But honestly, I never liked how it feels compared to AMS1. VR performance, graphics, car/track selection, all great, but I didn't feel as connected to the car as with AMS1. Then again AMS1 beats every other sim for me, in terms of feel. Haven't tried AMS2 in ages though, now it's probably better
Why do this before the full v1.5 release? Reading the release notes reveals would know the entirety of the tyre model release is NOT in the partial update tested here. Important point as this will all change again in August.
FYI: The devs were not happy with Jimmy because he went all "funny influencer" and "funny content creator" rather than "researcher" and "reviewer". The failure to communicate was definitely not all one sided as JB suggests in this video. It was certainly annoying to hear a *list of incorrect information amongst legitimate criticism.* The forum posts were actually very respectful even when giving Jimmy a ticking off for not evidently not spending enough time doing his research before his video as SimRacing604 would have done. The forum posts recognised JB does not do in-depth reviews, just videos he finds entertaining and hopes we will, too. Being genuine is why JB is rightly and justifiably successful.
FWIW, I have never believed Jimmy has ever gone out of his way to attack the sim; it is just he suffers from being passionate. Like all of us with a driving passion for what we do, sometimes we come off as being a bit of a dick.
Renato and his Reiza team are doing a monster effort against any madness, i.e. the Madness Engine.
Since I acquired AMS2 just pre Cov19 I think maybe 35-40% of my total sim time has been dedicated to AMS2. For a jack of all trades sims new, old and ancient and mostly into huge databases of mods it tells me that they've been on the right track especially since the intro of the FFB+ controller option.
Must do VR with AMS2
Yes, why the heck not Jimmer?
@@Deploracle its really hot and muggy in the UK right now
@@Rmagid Understandable ... there isn't a worse condition for wearing a headset.
I'm really excited for the new tire model to get distributed to all cars. I understand if you're still soured on the game due to the developer feedback, but I'd love to see more AMS2 content from you, since there's so much wierd and historically significant content in the game. Wierd and historically significant Assetto Corsa content have been my favorite Jimmy videos for years.
I honesty don't get how Jimmer could be seen as malicious or intentionally critical. He's always struck me as honest and straight talking (and funny). I think the modern world seems less able to cope with constructive feedback. Carry on Mr Broadbent but also wishing a bright future for Automobilista 2.
P.S. They fixed a catastrophic bug. Frankly the developer should be grovelling and apologising to loyal users who now have to adjust their driving skills away from something that was actually broken, lol. Kinda proves Mr Broadbent's point as well. Sorry, long day, too much wine, a jazz cigarette and feeling feisty.
Jimmer has a run-in with the nicest Brazilians on the internet.
Explaining the gear shifting issue, you can damage gears with repeated bad shifts. It shouldn't be that easy to mess up upshifts with that car as I believe it should have auto-cut (maybe a bug that slipped through), but it absolutely will happen with some of the F-Classics that had sequentials and no auto-cut if you don't rev match.
Glad to see your enjoying this sim. Its reiza studios what i really believe in, they haven't given in with the madness engine. They just want ams 2 to be the best they can make it.
It really seems like they are in it for the long haul. They really haven't found any limitations to the engine itself. Just bugs to cure. A lot of people speculated that Reiza would be looking to make an AMS3 by 2025, but I don't think that's the case. I can see AMS2 being their sole content platform for the remainder of this decade (maybe a few years less, but it would be great to see a console port in that time!)
@flyingphoenix113 yeah and that is why reiza deserve more credit for sticking around with the sim. It really goes to show that if a studio keeps working on their titles whats possible. A console port would be great to get more people into simulation.
It’s good the madness engine is still used somewhere, absolutely huge potential with it still.
Jimmy is a physics-engine-testing genius
I have been playing AMS2 nearly every Saturday for the last year and a half. I have always felt the cars were on the brink of uncontrollable. Eventually you get use to it and drive them within the limits of the game. However, with this new update, the cars behave more predictably. Spinning around is less likely and when you do start to spin there is a chance to save it. Previously, if you spun it was pretty much game over.
The brazilian stock cars are incredibly fun to drive in this sim, deffo worth checking out.
take the BMW Group A or the BMW M1, or one of the P3 cars around the Nord. Just suggestions if you want to have some nice, ass out slidey fun.
You should definitely give it a go on the Brazilian Stock Car
AMS 2 Redemption Arc??
It feels really good now, the transformation is enormous!
One of the issues AMS2 had (or have related to not updated cars), was that the default/default+ FFB felt really strange, which I think contributed cars feeling strange for many. I was pretty happy with few of the custom FFB options, but naturally those custom FFB files doesn't come with the game and you would need to go that extra effort to find and install one. Fortunately this isn't the case anymore with the cars with updated tire model and I hope it still holds true with rest of the cars when full 1.5 is released.
Not sure what has happened with the devs in the past, but for the past year I have followed the AMS2 forums, I haven't noticed any stupid or offensive behavior from the developers. As for fanboys, nah, I don't think it's any more toxic than with any other sim out there. It's quite natural reaction to get defensive when somebody starts claim something you like a lot as crap, even though it might be true.
I have had a lot of fun AMS2 in the past year, it's improving all the time and there is a lot of great content. I honestly think these latest improvements to the handling make a huge difference to previous. Even from the updated cars, some feel better than others (Formula Junior feels really good and fun to try). Even though I'm currently focusing on rFactor 2, I don't have problems going back to AMS2 (for updated cars).
The game still feels very arcadey, when I hit the brake what I dont feel much weight transfer and car rotation but just the rear starting to slip in a very controllable way. I find myself countersteering like in a rally game.
I dont regret buying the game but I would never play it for long time as it would get me bad habits when going back to iRacing or ACC.
To clarify these cars are updated to the new "1.5 physics standards" but the game is not version 1.5 yet (that should come later this month, or early August). But yes huge steps in the right direction month after month from Reiza.
Actually dev mention that it come in teh next 2 Weeks 🥳
Long Beach. Nice. I swear I never see this track in games. I think the last game I played with it was one of the Forza Motorsport games.
it's in almost everything, iRacing has it on schedules all the time.
RFactor 2 has the best version, recently released
Damn this has came on leaps and bounds since the last video 😮
I'd highly recommend playing ams2 in vr, it looks really good
This man is so brave driving in real life for a video
Automobilista 1 is waaay better. They should not change the physics engine.
There are so many glitches in this sim that have not been adressed first before trying to implement other things. Sooo many i cant start or it will end up a book on here.
Also for ams2 a good starting point for beginners, is to download car setups, from the ghost of the fastest lap time for your car on a certain track.
Please more ams2, old Nordschleife with a Porsche would be dope. The ffb and feel of the cars seems to be exactly what I am looking for and one of the main reasons to finally buy a pc.
Having never heard about the AMS2 devs and community coming after you, my first thought upon hearing about it was "Well, it's not like he wants to not like it." and I glad you echoed my thoughts during the video. Sometimes you just don't enjoy an experience, and that's fine, and it's fine when others disagree. No one jumps into a game (or anything for that matter) wanting to not like it, and people get so worked up over differing opinions. You enjoy it, cool. If you don't enjoy it, also cool.
Well done though for actually coming back after the bad experience, despite everything you've given it another go and enjoyed it. As you said, hopefully the AMS2 community can be a bit kinder about it all in the future.
MY only issue Jimmer is that you didn't try the new Formula USA 2023 cars. Holy mother are they good.
youre a better man than i. i would hold a grudge and be way more smug about being right all this time.
FINALLY! Installing it again then, i love AMS2's immersion but the physics were just not there. Definitely giving it a go, thank you for this vid, i would have never known otherwise.
Still the best single player sim on the market. Nothing comes close to feel and immersion.
Acc is far superior
@@bratosin1With only GT3/4. Right...
@@bratosin1 Nope. ACC is boring with barely any cars. AMS2 beats it without even trying. You're blind.
Great to see that the game is improved since release. You should definitely try the 1970 nordshleife.
One thing that drives me crazy about AMS2 is how the tires will break loose while upshifting under full throttle on a lot of the sequential manual cars.
You're definitely in for a big surprise when the actual v1.5 drops. Every car has changed in the beta, even the ones there were already with the new tires.
Next try the new LMDH or Formula hitech ones :)
sorry what version were yo urunning with here? 1.4.8 ? or 1.5 ?
1.4.8, 1.5 comes in a couple of weeks & all the cars will be getting the new physics atm its only the F1's & Indy
I'm Paul Page. From Papyrus THIS is IndyCar Racing!
LETS GOOOO I’ve been waiting for this for so long AMS2 is my favorite
I've been pulling my hair out trying to get my csl dd and mclaren gt3 wheel to work in this game for the last 2 days. So hit and miss, such a shame as FFB feels good.
use custom wheel, not fanatec
Tried mate, works for a bit then stops again...what colour should I be on ? Red ?
@@Rmagid Hamster wheel good enough?
Is it not worth it with the csl DD or DD pro?
@@tonyf9076 its weird, i have csl dd set to fanatec seperate pedals, and have never had an issue, maybe ask on the reiza forums