NYC is Building Crime-Proof Subways…
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2024
- New York has embarked upon a quest to crime proof its subway system which loses $690 million a year to fare evasion. Will these new futuristic gates do the trick, or should the city go with a different design?
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Most automated fare gates in Japan are actually open and doors only close when it detects that someone is trying to pass thru without paying. This gets at the very core of the problem: YOU CAN'T SOLVE FARE EVASION WITH TECHNOLOGY. It begins with cultural expectations.
DAMN STRAIGHT!
Coming back from a beach vacation is relaxing and rejuvenating, coming back from a Tokyo vacation is eye opening and even enlightening.
Can’t wait to exercise my Suica card again.
Exactly
That’s getting to the core issues of crime people always think the solution is throwing police at something vs why are people doing it in the first place. Let’s figure out that why.
Education, moral education.
@@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 Imo it's because of a hyper individualist culture that glorifies outlaw and anti social behavior. Playing by the rules is seen as stupid, because those who don't seem to succeed especialy in a place like NYC.
I've used subway systems in Korea, and some entrances didn't have doors. Anyone could just walk right through, but everyone followed the law and scanned their cards. I didn't even see anyone monitoring the entrances. It was an amazing sight to see. People just respected the laws and rules.
Um that is not new
@assassin8636 Yeah, you're right. Having morals and value is not new 😄
The subways here in L.A. had no gates/turnstiles for many years!
@myoldvhstapes If people there respect the law, then that's all that matters. That's my point.
Same with the subways in Alberta (Calgary and Edmonton). Technology doesn't stop this, culture does.
This Cash guy is better than ABC 7 when it comes to reporting everyday problems here in NYC...you rock, Cash.
In London, we have similar gates, but they are so narrow and the gates close quickly so only one person can go in, and they’re tall so no jumpers
They're so tall that you can slide through under 😂😂
Sooo, avg american wouldn't fit in them lmao
@@jonlari8273 no you still can’t slide (they’re perfect height)
They need to pay ex criminals to test these things. Testing them with honest people is stupid.
The MTA officials' comment about wanting to see how effectively they work in a real-life situation is ridiculous. If you want to see the new turnstiles in action travel to a city that already has them deployed and observe them BEFORE signing a contract and installing them. The municipality currently using them should also have data on how effective they are over time, how prone they are to repair, and to what extent the investment recouped the financial loss from evasion. Then (and only then) should NYC based tests be conducted, including (as you suggest) including paid consultants with expertise in evading fares.
The Office of the New York City Comptroller as well as the press should be all over this story. It reeks of possible corruption, which is exactly why it will get swept under the rug (or on the tracks).
@@thomasdangelo1018They are SO A$$-BACKWARDS that it’s LAUGHABLE! And I LIKE your idea of observation & documentation, too. It’s the true saying, “You can learn from others” that applies.
The government is stupid.
NY State is just broken, as a whole. They have all these plans and ideas and forget that New Yorkers take pride in figuring out how to screw the system or exploit a weakness.
Man had the nerve to say ex-criminals
Biggest difference with Japan has to do with their attitude which is very group-conscious. They respect their fellow citizens.
Also very homogenous population. 😊
At this point New York should take away the subway system since they are losing so much money and have people beg for it to come back
Exactly 💯 They consider the way the people around them feel about the things they do! That's the problem here in the USA! We are divided bot united. TOGETHER WE STAND...DIVIDED WE FALL ❤️🇺🇲 God bless 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
@@MaxAndersonn Unfeasible. You sound as delusional as a communist.
@@MaxAndersonn Delusional. Unfeasible.
I'm surprised New York isn't looking at other metro systems in other cities and other countries and finding out what works best across all of them.
And part of the design process really should be having someone suitable try and circumvent the gates. Too many products seem to be designed by people who haven't watched how things are used (or abused) in real life.
"Too many products seem to be designed by people who haven't watched how things are used (or abused) in real life."
Yup. Just read that the newest model A trains can't even run on the express track because there wasn't proper research done about how the trains are actually used under extenuating circumstances. So those fancy new trains can only run on the local track, and if the local needs to run express for some reason all the passengers have to get off. Why did no one realize or think of this before?
Most politicians care more about being able to claim they solved a problem, than they do about actually solving it. By the time everyone knows the solution failed, it is often past the next election.
In The UK, one must also use a card to exit the station. This of course is based upon paying for the distance traveled. In this manner, there will be no sensor to open the gate.
Americans are cocky. They think they know more than everyone
"Too many products seem to be designed by people who haven't watched how things are used (or abused) in real life." Also, hiring engineers on merit rather than DEI will produce better results.
As someone who has lived in NYC for over 10 years, I've noticed a significant uptick in turnstile hopping starting about a year and a half ago. I used to see it sometimes, but now I always see it.
It's not who you think, but well-dressed people in nice neighborhoods. It seems to be much more normalized and less shameful. I've watched MTA employees and cops watch people do this without batting an eye. It makes me think there is a change in policy or enforcement and feel like a sucker for still paying as fees continue to increase.
You are a sucker for still paying MTA is corrupt and a scam
Founding fathers started a revolution over tea, MTA increases every year but service gets sorse
Lying and cheating is now part of American culture. Americans see their government do it all the time in foreign policy. So why not bring those values into every day life? Reap what you sow.
So im one of the people that hop everyday to and from work. I work in a nice office building in the city, and i used to never hop. I started about a year and a half ago. And i kinda never went back. When you realize so many people aren't paying, you do start to look stupid. At my station, no one really pays, they wait for someone to open the door. The busses may be worse in the boroughs, as people just walk on and the bus drivers dont say anything. I used to be afraid to get on busses because i thought i had to pay like 6 months ago. But its crazy what you can get away with. I currently no not pay mta a dime, and do it consistently almost everyday without getting caught, or the cops are there, but dont care. They really dont care when a door opens. Everyone just walks in, they not gonna stop everyone so they let it rock. Its crazy in nyc lol
@@NOVSinSingayour money is going to migrants anyways, so not like you are getting any support
The level of incompetence from our decision makers on stuff like this is appalling. Why weren’t these vulnerabilities tested for before they were installed? What a complete waste of money, something the every NYC city agency seems to be very good at.
Why people in USA are stealing from shops or just jump gates etc? You don't see problem in that? Look how in many other places societies don't have this problem (sadly in Europe it's also changing in big cities:/)
@@Saeglopur89 USA is a big country... And filled with diverse people who do the same crime over and over. You can't just cite some other country and compare why US can't accomplish this, because there are a lot of factors
@@Saeglopur89Europe has a rich history of countless wars on the continent to blame.
The problem is people in NYC even like Jordan, don't believe punishing people for crime. Look at how he blurred the faces of the fair jumpers. He calls the hijackers "fellow passengers" it's that mentality is why NYC is falling apart.
It doesn't even need to be tested. The result is Obvious just Looking at the thing.
These gates won't stop shite they are a Slight upgrade over a turnstyle. Only the larger spinning gates for normal people and a Guard to allow people through a bypass (like the disabled and people too obese to fit through) would actually make anyone think twice. In the mechanical sense.
The other issue is that NY actively Doesn't give a shite at all about the law in the first place. It's becoming more lawless by the day and those who follow the law do so at the active detriment to themselves.
You say anything against criminals and you get black knights jumping down your through "who cares about the million dollar company? If you see someone steal, no you didn't. They are stealing cars because they need to get groceries. Do you value your House over a burglar's life?" Etc etc.
Perhaps the City should look at the economics of paying a couple of people to monitor the worst fare evasion stations, against the amount of money they are losing to fare evasion.
nope that makes too much sense.
democrats have no sense.
I've seen security guards at stations but they are really there for theatre just as with security guards in stores. They end up avoiding physical altercations so criminals get warnings but end up getting away. The cops show up an hour later when called because its not an emergency. Hiring more NYPD to watch turnstiles means another 80k Salary and with a little overtime is more like100k + pensions.
@@718ogand half the time they not doing shiiiii 😂
and what are those people going to do? unless they are police officers, and NYC cant afford to pay police to monitor fare jumpers.
SF tried this approach. It ended up being a waste of time and money. Criminals do not pay fines and do not show up to court dates. Anything short of arrests is useless.
Living in Istanbul for 21 years, I have never seen anyone trying to get a free ride. People in here has a motto like “ If I pay to ride, then everybody have to pay to ride.”
hahahaha i lived in istanbul for 12 years people try to get free rides any time
Cash, great reporting. New Yorkers need yo know this stuff👍🏼‼️
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The real crime at the MTA is being top heavy and wasting money . The MTA has the budget of a small country’s gdp. Fare evasion is a drop in the bucket compared to the perks managers have
Don't forget that half of their budget goes to paying off multi decade old loans
If more people paid their fares, there would be more funds to improve bus and rail operations. Better railcars could have been put on the rapid transit system long ago; ancient stations could have been renovated, even the extension of the Second Avenue subway could have been accomplished long ago. If the funds were managed by New York City Transit as the agent, and Metropolitan Transportation Authority, as the authority, the planned projects could fall into proper perspective. Otherwise, fare evasion happens because of bad budgeting is like trying to correct a wrong with another wrong.
@@captainkeyboard1007the mta is the states responsibility to take care of, with so many people using public transport there’s no reason why it should be a for profit company.
@@jokerpilled2535 Thank you for typing to me.
@@jokerpilled2535Not being for profit is not the same as being free. They still need fares to keep it going, and more fare skipping will make the problem worse. That being said, this is not the solution.
I was stuck on an R train for over an hour and a half yesterday. The MTA is putting money into the worst places, most of us just want to be sure to get from A to B quickly and safely. We don't need the screens with recipe segments or new gates. We just want it to run and be reasonably clean and safe.
But how else are they going to show us how to eat vegan?
7 stopped running AT ALL in the city for 2 or 3 days straight! In both directions! Yet they raise the fare....
@@sleepnomore6065fuck the 7 train bs is always packed and never on time
@@sleepnomore6065living in Queens, when the 7 is down, you are literally stranded. And they shut it down for the entire weekend
I agree that reliable service and safety should always be the top priority, but at the same time, the MTA's (insufficient) attempt to combat fare evasion IS part of an overall effort to obtain the means to achieve and maintain a good state of repair on the subway; $690 million in lost revenue every year is not insignificant. BTW those digital advertising screens actually provide a stream of revenue for the MTA.
Again, I really enjoy your content. You’re very mesmerizing in your delivery.
We have similar gates in Moscow, but i've never seen a person who is not paying. Also there are separate gates for entering and exiting.
Who cares about cameras and motion sensors when there usually aren't enough law enforcement officers to enforce these laws?
Even if the police arrest them, the criminals will be out by that same afternoon while the officer is left with a days worth of paperwork
Or any prosecutors willing to prosecute criminals. NYC is collapsing
They will just charge your bank account using your facial image, physique, and the way you walk as your identification.
Like there is a task force watching all the hours of video surveillance looking for fare jumpers. lol The ONLY time any surveillance video is viewed is when they are working on a murder.
Vote blue get screwed
In Vienna/Austria, there are no turnstiles or other barriers blocking people from taking the subway without a ticket. It's a system that works on mutual trust. You're expected to pay and so is everyone else. There are ticket inspectors in plain clothes from time to time, but you can drive around for days and not meet an inspector at all.
the yearly tickets is only 1 euro per day and the system is actually worth it
Look how things are changing in Europe - for newcomers from outside continent all that is a joke and they are just laughing how naive we are. In mixed societies like USA it's impossible to make things work like that
Different culture and demographics.
@@Saeglopur89 cool low key racist comment
@@sterlingmarshel6299 It's not about racism, look at Asian countries like Japan or South-Korea with a strong unified culture. Diversity is a weakness and causes division and chaos it's possible to acknowledge that and still love all people.
Very informative video, I appreciate the in depth explanations of the pros and cons of each turnstiles.
Btw I’m curious where your from because here in nyc we pronounce them turn-styles
Many trains in the EU actually have a system to prevent passing a signal at danger (SPAD) called an AWS system (Automatic Warning System) which will stop the trains and activate the emergency brake to prevent a collision. This system also warns the driver when approaching a preliminary caution (double yellow) and caution (yellow) signals. If being updated, it might be a good idea for NYC to include in newer trains if possible...?
NYT has brake trips on the side of the track near the aspect signal. If the signal is all red, the brake trip (which looks like a handle) rises up so if the train tries to move past it, it trips the brake system on the train. It may be some trackage that don't have them but it seems most of the tracks in the Manhattan and Brooklyn parts do.
@@TonyP9279 I actually had no idea about this, so maybe the system is old and breaking down or like you said older tracks don't have it... genuinely got me interested in this now.
When I was growing up in Brooklyn in the 90’s undercover Detectives would hide out near turnstiles and if you were caught hopping they would ticket you and run your information for prior offenses.
If your name came up for not paying a prior ticket you’d get locked up. Definitely made me not want to hop the train. 🤷🏽♂️
some people would call it racism today. That's why you could jump as much as you like now. Enjoy.
Not anymore 😂
@@trueretyper Funny that at least 4 of the 5 fare jumper at the beginning of the video seem to be black 😞
@@trueretyperfast forward “nobody said that, they’re being attacked and have no other choice”
“Voter ID is racist, they’re unable to get them”
but its free
Cash, have you noticed the new fancy trains on the A line have reduced the number of seats down to 30 from approximately 60-66 on the old trains. So for people traveling from up town, whose commute is 40+ minutes daily, the likely hood of sitting has dropped dramatically. And for my evening commute I travel with a 6 year old who is exhausted and has to stand. I really don't think the people making these decisions actually commute everyday and take all these things into consideration.
They made the seats wider to accommodate fat people?
@@lisabrightlyno, they took seats out completely. They were bench style seats anyway.
Nyc transportation is run by the C grade students. It won't get better btw. You are better off leaving
@@PEZ1514Unfortunately the MTA is the best source of transportation since now I’m gonna get charged $15 everyday just to drive my car (which is such bs in itself).
The goal is to increase ridership, not ensure more people can have a seat. If the majority of people on the train don’t get seats anyway, then it makes sense to take out seats to make room for more riders. With the way people squeeze in, really don’t think people care as much about seats as they do simply getting on. If it weren’t the case, you’d see loads of people letting trains pass just to get a less crowded one with seats.
You basically outlined my commute to/from work from Nassau County to Forest Hill. LIRR to Jamaica/Parsons/Archer, through those new gates, downstairs to the E to 71 Av. I see the fare evaders every day. My whole commute consists of keeping my head down and trying to not catch anyone’s attention.
Thanks!
It doesn’t matter how secure the gate is, or how many security guards the MTA hires to stand by the turnstiles, or how many NYPD cops are in the station, or how many people are ticketed or arrested for theft of services; IF the District Attorney elects not to prosecute.
I’ve spoken to NYPD officers detailed to watch subway platforms and have asked them why in many cases, they do not stand in a location on the platform where they can even see the turnstile. While there is a logistical reason they do this (standing on the platform near where the mid-train conductor will likely stop, versus where NYPD can see the turnstile), in all cases they have said that they would likely NOT ticket or arrest someone for fare evasion because the DA will likely not prosecute.
I am sure the ticketing you observed was only for P.R. purposes.
Where do you live? At my subway station there are *always* cops for years and years now. NOBODY evades the fares there, there is no foolishness. Everybody is on their best behavior all day, every day.
@@lisabrightly You must live in the one good neighborhood.
@@lisabrightlywhich subway station is that? I'll visit it today and see if you're right.
@@uncountedvoter9449 no! It's not good. It's an intersection of good and bad, with tons of people both low income and upper middle class. It's a historic neighborhood with a notorious history in NYC, there has been some issues. For whatever reason the cops are always there. I've been using it for ten+ years and this entire time there hasn't been a day without the police presence. Some people who live in the neighborhood have money, and influence. Maybe *they* demand the police presence. I don't know.
@@lisabrightly The experiences I commented about are mostly from the 8th Avenue A-C-E line, 23rd Street station and 42nd Street station. I see fare evasion (and other subway crimes) daily.
How do you make basically news about NYC so interesting?
I'm not even from NYC and this is still something I enjoy watching
(Not enjoy because of what's happen but enjoy because it's interesting)
New York has way bigger issues. They should be paying attention to right now.
Born in Jersey City and grew up in the South Bronx. I now live in Texas and im so glad you report on my hometown
It seems to me the city should sue the company who sold these. If the city told them what they needed and this is what they supplied then they are a bunch of snake oil salesmen.
Your joking right. The city pick out that stuff and look over it before. So the city should sue them self for picking this item
The city paid for a spec got a spec they should do better research. If they would have gone with the iron maidens (which they knew worked) and wanted newer and fancier. Maybe made them larger to accommodate luggage
But then someone's buddy would not have gotten the contract and there would be no kickback.
They aren't going to sue their friends
Actually no, it is up for the MTA engineers to write the testing specs to prove the technology not the other way around. You have clearly never been inside a construction site before
The reason Oyster works in London is because you have to touch out at the other end. That's the problem with a flat fare to anywhere on the MTA
Given that the poorest people live further out, it would transfer the costs to the folks coming in for minimum wage jobs. It would create a negative for taking a job further away from your home if you earn minimum wage. Given the income disparity, rich neighborhoods would be poorly staffed.
Not necessarily. What you can implement is a "default" or "Non Compliance" fare, so if you don't tap on/off you will be charged say $25. If you tap at both ends you might pay just $5 instead, thus incentivizing people to tap both ends and use the barriers correctly. Tapping both ends actually gives management really important data on how many people are using each station and what are the most desired connections, this is critical to planning and resourcing allowing for timetable or infrastructure changes that benefit passengers. You can still have a flat fare no matter where someone is traveling, it just means you have to tap both ends or get punished with the "default" fare. You can structure the fare itself any way you like, you can charge people more for certain stations or less. We have that system here in Sydney Australia admittedly the government here charges more for long distance, but it also charges more just for the Airport stations. There is however, no reason you can't charge less, you absolutely can charge less for long distance to incentivize this type of passenger. We had really quiet trains on Sundays, then they decided to give everyone a maximum $2.50 Sunday fare and ridership dramatically increased on the weekend.
Same in Washington DC.
in melbourne some stations are "validated ticket zones" where there are myki terminals but no gates, many people still tap on and off at these stations because most inner city stations need you to have previously tapped on in order to leave these stations. having myki officers actually on trains (even if they are discriminatory) definitely helps with ensuring that people pay for their trip
8:51 "emergency entrance gate" LOL
There’s no way a politician isn’t financially gaining from this deal.
The companies hired to solve this problem are surprise surprise related to politicans who are in charge of oversight.
@@NameIsDoc More likely is that the companies are heavy donors to the politicians who are in charge, and the voters just don't care (those that do moved away).
Ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner folks!!
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@@NameIsDocWhat are the company names?
@@ste2158 City Safe Partners has a direct relationship with Deputy Mayor for Public Safety Philip Banks. Infact he was it's founding ceo
London have such low fare evasion compared to New York because the gates do not open automatically when exiting as you have to "Tap" to Start and End your journey. In New York for fare evaders all they have to do is plan their entrance into the subway as their exit is pretty much automatic. London forces you to go through two of these checkpoints as so its less desirable to skip a fare. Tailgating is less common when your exit is not guaranteed
theres a reason it stopped it targeted urban kids over white kids that had a transit benefit card from there little private school
How can crowds rush out in an emergency? That sounds very dangerous.
@@myoldvhstapes
Manned shutter gates. 👍🏴
@@myoldvhstapes Emergency exits.
@@myoldvhstapes Well gateline is manned by an employee who can release them needs be. I assume the gates open automatically at any trigger of a fire alarm. Obviously fare evaders wouldn’t pull the alarm as it’s a criminal offence and stops trains running through the station.
"emergency entrance gate..." hahaha, you crack me up with that one....
Sydney nsw solved that issue back in the late 90s to early 2000s with double door ticket gates but since 2015 they switched to tap an go gates as you tap on an tap off, without gates but they have a high volume of transit police and $1000 fines
Fare evasion is a sport in NYC. Like a honeybadger finding its way out of a cage.
There is one thing you missed about the stations in Japan. You cannot leave the station unless you use your ticket. If you paid less than what you needed to get to your destination, you have to use a machine to add the missing money to your ticket to leave the station. So even if people got lucky to follow a stranger in, they may not get so lucky to follow a stranger out so they will still have to pay a fee to leave the station. Also, the culture in Japan is much different and people are less likely to break the law. There is something about NYC where people feel like they can do whatever they want....riding free in the metro, shoplifting so much that the stores have to lock items to prevent them from being stolen, jay-walking left and right....try doing that in another city and see how it goes. It is like in NYC people have a free pass to do all that.
Because MTA is garbage and a scam is the reason
It's so bad they aren't even locking up the stuff, they are locking the doors and closing down. It is a mayorial issue.
Los Angeles is pretty much what NYC sounds like from your description, except people drive faster here. More likely to become roadkill even if you don’t jaywalk.
It's not just because people feel like they can do whatever. It's also because people just can't afford to get anything done in NYC.
@littlemoth4956 That may be the case, but if life is so difficult financially in NYC, why are people torturing themselves and staying there. They could live more comfortable lives in other areas of the US.
Fair evasion is perfectly justified when the MTA wastes all of their resources on things like “crime-proof gates” that don’t change anything. Not to mention the high chance of the train being late or not coming at all.
I liked that "MAY HAVE = MAY NOT HAVE" tip Jordan mentioned there. I know it's obvious, but I just never thought about it that way when listening to a newscast.
The best gates were in Soviet Union... - those were closing in case you didn't have a ticket (instead of opening) and were hitting you so hard you didn't want to mess with them to start with
Those things are still being used by the Yekaterinburg metro, and i'm still kinda anxious when i walk throug them
That's pretty funny, have one that hits you in the nuts on a random timer just in case people try to evade it.
Но есть у них один минус: через них можно прыгать
Nu Pogodi, episode 5
Fare evasion is a social issue, not a technological one.
I've been on public transit all around the world and I have never seen people turnstile jumping or evading fares anywhere but in NYC, Chicago and LA
Nahh its all over just less common in smaller cities
Never been to Paris, have you ?
/\TL/\NT/\ as well
Fantastic reporting...!! Wooooooow....!!!!
You-know-who-these-people-are: "hold my watermelon"
Never going to solve the problem as long as large numbers of people have the mindset that its ok to break the law. Sounds like someone with the city got themselves a big kickback when it came to installing gates that are far from being evasion proof.
In Germany we don't have any gates to the subway... instead we have a €49 per month ticket for all local transport 👍
So a tourist that only needs to use it a couple times as they visit has to pay 50 bucks.
There is still some benefit for a per use charge. You only pay for what you use.
That's cheap
Yeah, where I live in Seattle it is much cheaper to just get a monthly pass applied to your IC card. There are zero gates of any kind here... but stuff needs money to function and wish people would just pay to use a service.
Heard that Germany's transit is awesome, can't wait to visit one day and check it all out. I loved it in Japan!
@@Dansker_fra_Midtjylland ahh ok cool. That's a good way then. A monthly subscription would be great for the regulars.
Same here in Prague, Czech Republic - no fancy gates and no need to pay security guards to watch them.
While fare evasion is certainly a problem for the MTA, the claim that it is the source of the Subway's problems like people recklessly driving trains and the dirty/deteriorating stations is ludicrous and not backed with any evidence whatsoever.
$690 Million is roughly 3% of the MTA's annual operating budget. Fare evasion is a problem, but its more of a symptom of poor management and lack of resources than a cause. Decades of poor funding for the MTA are why the infrastructure is crumbling, not people hopping fare gates.
"...Gate array..."
Haha, sounds like something we'd find digital equipment!
"These people must have only PARTIALLY turned to the dark side because a TRUE maniac would have crashed that train into something"
I almost choked on my morning tea 😂😭
Been watching your videos for awhile now.. think you've found another calling! I'm here for it.
What calling? He's doing videos and getting paid for it
@@wileecoyote5749They had better pay him!
@@wileecoyote5749 I think the OP meant Cash Jordan found his calling by doing general-information videos instead of ONLY apartment-viewing videos.
Thanks for clarifying,, that's what I meant. I've enjoyed these as well so far.
@@kristopherblyth2200 Thank you for your reply. I agree with you - I have enjoyed Cash's new style of videos also. I already have a NYC apartment, but would sometimes watch Cash's apartment-hunting videos anyway just to enjoy his oddball personality - but these information videos I like even better!
We have this style of gate in boston - if you have a bag or backpack you can swing it to the other side of the gate and it opens almost immediately
Thank you
We have similar gates in a lot of UK train stations. They tend to close very quickly with a snap and, combined with our tendency to politeness, tail-gating is not usually a problem. We also have ‘in’ and ‘out’ separately. Oh, and having railway police to hand doesn’t hurt, either.
UK Trains are great. I found the London tube very good compared to NYC subway, cleaner and well kept. This was 2008-10 tho
Yeah, they are very easy to bypass if you happen to have a copy of the "Metro" or any other newspaper and know how to use it ;)
There’s cops on the subway that just watch the people jumping the turnstiles 💀 they dont care 97% of the time, not sure what their purpose is lol
"Tendency to politeness" is the key issue here. American has fostered a culture of "tendency of indifference" or outright sociopathic selfish behavior.
Its the exact same company who created these gates that did the LU gates, Cubic
This is literally where I come now to get accurate and objective news about NYC 🗽
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Its not that accurate or objective. He keeps talking about "the city" paying for these things when the MTA is a state agency. That's literally the most basic thing about NYC Subway policy and yet he apparently doesn't know it. Also he keeps quoting the statistic that NYC lost nearly $700 million from fare evasion in 2022, yet he doesn't mention that according to the MTA's own statistics more than 75% of that was from bus fares, not Subways, and most of those were people who were waved on by bus drivers during rush hour so the bus wouldn't be delayed.
Incredible video about an even more incredibly sad situation. Hope the roll out of enhanced security goes better in Philadelphia.
One thing that I noticed in this video is the subway etiquette in NY is so sick, I have been to Japan, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore and I haven’t seen any case of a person pushing another person through the ticket gate like in 0:15. If you want to ride the subway, you have to pay the fee or else don’t disturb other people.
Everything is expensive in nyc no one stole money
I'm part of a Boston public transit subway group, if you dare bring up how people should pay their fare, or use a special card to ride for free ( I do with my disability) you get harassed and bombarded with " everything should be free pay with taxes get cars off the roads cars are evil!" Just simply have a free per person system, and continue to collect fares to continue paying for repairs. Boston has this issue with fare evasion and people using emergency gates to exit. But not stealing trains, we've had people break in to booths and hijack the microphone and speakers. But this is horrible, MTA should be ashamed of themselves, MBTA has issues but not stealing a subway train.
I still sneak in and out through the exits at Downtown Crossing and Park street. I WILL NEVER STOP!
@@jimmyboy1582 why would you admit to a crime? Are you stupid, how dumb exactly are you?
@@jimmyboy1582lol
YET! There probably already is a copycat offender making plans. 🙄
@@jimmyboy1582hope they add jail time for people caught doing it
Instead of fines or jail time for fare evasion, maybe requiring a day of community service for the first conviction doubling with each subsequent citation might get people to think twice.
Back in the late 1980s, a friend of mine got trapped in one of the old straight bar iron maiden gates at the Franklin St station. It took the fire department nearly 3 hours to dismantle it to get him out.
This city releases people who are accused of felonies. You think people accused of fare evasion care? Go ahead, write me a ticket. 8:57
That won't work. Remove a finger or a toe and people will think twice.
You wanna supervise someone like that for the day? You think they'd follow through on that anyway? Get realistic.
These people arent working enough to pay cheap af train fare, they certainly will not be useful working for the community.
I learned the hard way that some people are so useless when put to a task, that its more efficient to send them home then include them in the job.
You can put a man to task, but if he is not willing to contribute the appropriate amount of effort, mentally, emotionally and physically, then you will lose more than you gain. Yes, that even includes simple community tasks like cleaning up trash along the highway.
"Which bag do I put the trash in? My trash picker forks are bent what do I do? I dont see any of the trash you are talking about..." Try dealing with that all day on top of laziness and bad attitudes. Our best and most productive people in society work quickly, efficiently, with little complaint and at the expense of their own present moment within the realm of free will. Forced workers are not those people.
@@Dragonologist 👍
Here in belgium for our train systems we dont have terminals at all. Sure you can buy tickets but they're only validated on the train itself by personel. You could risk not paying for it. But the routines are frequent enough you'll end up paying more overal in fines than to skip on paying.
Those gates do need work, but they do need live people monitoring them as well. As you pointed out people fare evading through all three types of gate, so it doesn't matter what they use, some one has found a way around the process. Raise the fines for fare evasion, with late fees added and mandatory community service also added for the first time your caught. Jail or something similar if your caught again or if your caught lining to police about who you are to avoid being prosecuted for even the first offense.
Heck make the community service having to scrub the bathrooms in the subway for a month, if someone has to put in work to clean up after those who well trash it. It might give them incentive to be part of the solution even if a small part. (And yes for those reading, I am trying to be optimistic. )
Won’t work… I live in NYC, cops don’t care if you evade the fare, I have done it in front of cops but they don’t notice because they are on their phones… so if a cop isn’t going to care what is a gatekeeper going to do?
Bus operator here, if you think fare evasion is bad on the trains, it's worse on the bus, the MTA pays more for the bus operator and mechanic than an average route makes in Queens a day, I ask myself everyday how long can the system sustain itself
I mean public transit is not expected to pay for itself. Busses and trains provide a huge boost to the local economy so it make economic sense to subsidise them from other taxes. In the same way road and vehicle tax doesn't cover the cost of maintaining roads and we use other taxes to pay for them.
Who cares without people on the buses no one gets to work no economy bus driver don’t get paid.
The MTA agency is a criminal organization. I'd love to see those books and what they really spend money on.
@issacmcgann9918 but if people don't pay how do you expect the busses to run
@krazyfan2000 if we saw what you spend your money on what would it say about you
I am reminded of a vlog that I watched about a guy taking train trips across the US. In southern Florida there is a privately owned train company that offered fairs for under $20. The trains were very well maintained and snacks were included. The same trip with Amtrak was way more expensive. The trains were run down and no snacks included. The difference was Amtrak is federal so the money keeps coming no matter what. The private owned has to work for your business to keep the company operational. With no tax dollars they are forced to be responsible.
Imagine taking a commuter train 10 times a week for 20 dollars a ride
Sit down
They make money from real estate, not ridership. Not to mention like someone else said $20 a fair is crazy and the train is slow af still
That's BS logic.
3:47 in Stockholm we have had that problem sinse the Stockholm metro changed its turn styles
I miss being in a crowded Times Square subway during winter 😅
1:48 "Even with half the police force in attendance" what a golden roast
They say they couldn’t know what would happen till they tried it, but stations in France have already had this design with the same problem of people forcing their way through behind paying riders
France has significantly less fare evasion. If the gates saw the same level of fare evasion as they do in France or the UK it would have been considered a huge win.
1. You buy a badge that opens a door. Credit them a ride or dollar amount to incentivize it.
2. You step into a small cage and close the door behind you.
3. Once the door is closed behind you the payment process takes place. You won’t be able to pay unless the door behind you is locked shut.
There won’t be enough room for multiple people to follow behind the paying customer. They can’t hold the door open or else payment will be denied.
As a bigger and taller person, the turnstile and bar gates were extremely difficult to use. I often had to go in sideways and hope I didn’t get stuck.
I was about criticise the city's claim that they can't upkeep the train system because of ticket evasion, but seeing how many many people you caught while just standing there for your video, I'm reevaluating.
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They make the problem.
It is an excuse for them not being able to balance their budget.
They lose millions but they make billions.
It is not worth their money to stop it.
They just need to make it enough of a hassle to deter most people.
Tell me what happens when those fair evaders just don’t take the train at all? Does the MTA some magic more revenue ?
@@vonmitchell264 that was exactly my thought. They still make enough to upkeep the system without those cheating passengers. The extra passengers don't wear and tear the trains enough to be a problem.
The real issue is how little they care about passenger safety, by letting ill intentioned people in to cause havoc. A certain issue a couple years ago would never have happened if those who don't pay couldn't get on the train due to guards.
@@unturned6066If people follow the law and pay. At least they can use those money to repair the station. And don’t give me the shit of people can’t pay. If you are low income, nyc will give you a metro card for free so you don’t have to pay. People just simply don’t like to follow the law in NYC
On my way to work I often see people waiting for the emergency gate to be opened. A lot of times people will turn around and open it. I absolutely refuse to do so. I pay for my rides you should too.
I agree with you. I am a responsible person and I pay for all my subway rides too, even if others are going through the emergency gates.
I'm not gonna lie I open the gate for others to be nice but after this video I'm just going to stop.
@@sonderexpeditions If you open the gate to help people avoid paying the fare, you are stealing money from our subway system which is needed to pay subway drivers and make train repairs. We all lose.
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@@sonderexpeditions I understand that these are hard times for everyone but this is driving up the fares and we the people that pay are feeling the consequences.
Have a look at Melbourne, Australia's gates, only operate one way, direction can be changed depending on time of day etc, you must use your ticket to enter AND leave (if you try to leave with a ticket that hasn't been tapped in it will not allow you). Some stations don't even have gates and just operate on an honesty perspective where you can tap your ticket on a reader on a pole if you want to (keep in mind you'll be fined if you are found with a non valid ticket).
Ahh here I sit in Perth - our train system was made free for just this summer x-mas holiday period. Fares will start again next week.
Maybe the engineers that shipped them had to cut corners due to delivery times, and didn't manage to include the requested gun turrets.
In Japan, we have train gates that scream at you and shut immediately when you try to evade fares. Those have existed in every station since at least 20 years ago
We used to have similar gates in Russia, but they are made of metal and hit your legs. And play creepy music when you try to evade fares
Shaming 😅... put up pictures for one's that get fine also
@@dolfdogeler2890The Americas aren’t “dying”. Every country has its serious issues. You don’t have to put a country (or continents) down just to compliment another.
Saying that the “real problem” is the fact that the station is chaotic and unmonitored is crazy to me because fair evasion amounts to 3.7% of the MTA’s annual budget.
Monitoring the subway to prevent faire evasion would constitute a massive increase in surveillance, which would probably cost far more than the faire evasion, while making most people less comfortable using the subway.
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If only the world was like Japan..
A young, fit man can easily jump/ climb over those new style gates and people even crawl under them. After opening they close quite slowly because the transport companies have to put safety first and don't want to get sued by anyone who might get trapped and injured in a fast moving mechanism. London has had those almost exact same gates for years and they are very easy to breach. I see it every day on my commute.
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My cooky conspiracy theory is that they are going to end up doing something dystopian like linking your id to a photo and having cameras at every gate that automatically charge you.
Don’t automatic pay tolls do something like that already?
@@playlistss4953 yeah. many turnpikes, toll roads, & toll bridges have phased out manned toll booths in favor of transponders like EZ Pass linked to prepaid account/credit card or license plate tolls.
To Matt Mattson 7152: Crime conspiracies will be how the "cooky" crumbles.
They want me to scan my palm print at the clinic. No.
@@playlistss4953they will do it by taking a photo of your plate, or by the magnetic sensor you can mount on your windshield.
Far less dystopian than facial recognition imho
These gates are about the same as in London, ie still too low, and you sometimes get idiots jumping over them. There are dedicated wheelchair/luggage gates as well. Paris has much higher gates as it tends to be a bit more rough there. For NY one would need the same setup as at E-passport gates in the airport.
Let's be honest: it is designed to be an endless money pit. I remember how shocked I was when I moved to NYC and saw MTA workers painting the crumbling walls of a train station. When I asked someone, "Why don't they fix it first?" The answer was that they would paint it over again next year. If they fix it for good, it won't need to be repainted for another 10 years.
Cash, I appreciate how you investigate and share your findings
in a very neutral way, fair to all sides, and without bias.
I am going to be biased.
The problem is not the gates or anything else that can be implemented.
The problem is we are no longer teaching children right and wrong,
or morals, or values.
This is the core issue that creates all the other issues.
You said there is a very low problem of theft in Japan and their transportation.
The Japanese culture is one of respect - family, values, traditions, etc.
That mentality is now sorely lacking in this country, and we are seeing the results.
I would argue that saying morals is the core issue is ignoring the many factors that go into people doing immoral or illegal actions.
The subway is not an insignificant fee, and the cost of living in NY is extremely high, the subway fee can end up being a significant expense.
Many people already do it and haven't been punished for it, so you feel like a sucker if you pay.
And you really need to use the subway in NY if you're commuting any longer distance.
Mix em all together and you get a situation where you need to use a system that puts a real dent in your wallet that is trivially easy to avoid and unlikely to be punished.
@@Saltiencethere are a lot of people with low funds who would never steal or commit crime.
You're 100% right 👍 this country is lacking morals.. respect and most kids are growing up with no fathers..
I've seen videos and RUclipsrs from Japan they have a city too just like New York City they have millions of people too but it's very very clean subways are clean the Japanese have pride in their Cities.. I don't want to sound racist but it's the truth they have no blacks or Hispanics living there..
@@Saltienceit's not just morals or the subways it's everything in New York City it's the garbage ..the homelessness the drugs the illegals the crime ..carjackings and looting New York City is a DUMP..
Lets not turn Japan into some ideal moral society. They also have major social problems too. They just don't talk openly about them. The Japanese police will also keep you in prison until they force a confession out of you. That's how they get a high conviction rate.
Its need upgrading again. 😂😂
thats the point, typical scam by the gov wasting/stealing our taxes
Many public transit systems are still honor system / proof-of-payment. Fare evasion is deterred by random ticket checks both in the station and on the trains. Violaters face fines that usually have to be paid on the spot in cash or personal effects are held as collateral until fine is paid at a transit office.
I just appreciate how many times you said “Iron Maiden” \m/
The subway should build a prison cell where the people using the subway can see those who didn't pay for the ticket.
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How 1930’s Germany of you.
@@hamfox9714fr wtf is the us coming to
Yo New York is WILD someone stole a train for a joyride
I just wanted to say that in Germany fare gates are nowhere to be found and it somehow works, they just expect you to pay
So interesting.. in the Copenhagen Metro they have gone another way. There are no gates. Only check-in/check-out points where you swipe your card, when entering or leaving the public transit system. Instead there are frequent in board fare checks and it’s a $100USD fine if you don’t have a valid ticket.
I never use the iron maiden gates unless they're the only thing available. They're much slower to get through than a turnstile, and they take up about as much space as two turnstiles, so they're not a practical solution for any station with a decent amount of traffic (which is most of them).
Can't believe I'm witnessing America fall apart in front of my very own eyes! Here in Europe the subway system works on the honor system. You buy a yearly, monthly or weekly pass (usually online) and you just hop on the nearest bus, subway, tram or train without any checks whatsoever. There are no turnstyles and no police in the subway stations, because there's no need to check anyone's tickets - everyone has one. I can't see this system working in NYC though.
No one cares about each other here when personal convenience is compromised.
Fr like america is actually ass and is only not colasping from government debt
Where I live there are no barriers to stop people but there are random ticket checks on the trains, trams and busses and in access tunnels to stations. If caught without valid ticket you pay a hefty fine on the spot. Checks are frequent enough to make it worth your time to buy a ticket. It'll be much cheaper than the accumulated fines throughout the year. There are still people trying to get away with not buying tickets but they make up only 1.7% of all passengers.
I live in NYC we don’t get paper tickets when we pay to get on the train… so nothing to check
One thing they could do is require tap in tap out keep the flat rate but then you can catch evasion on both ends of the ride as it would require a valid tap in within a few hours and stop the sensor thing
I literally laughed out loud when I first read about how super duper easy these gates were to fare evade.
Thank you so much for sharing these issues. I've got friends around the NYC area and some of them haven't heard about these issues.
the one system i know for a fact is hard to fare evade is PATCO. i once went through the gate without paying. the tracked me to the exact car on the train I was in and intercepted the train at the next station and arrested me. in Philly some stations have entrances like an exit. it has a fare reader.
Wow, I'm old. I lived in Manhattan in 1975 when a subway token cost 50 cents, lol.
BART in the Bay Area has add really tall ADA compliant fare gates similar to the MTA’s fare gates at it’s West Oakland Station to prevent similar types of fare evasion along with the police.MTA needs to take note of the size of the gates over at BART. Not saying that are fare evasion proof, because they are suffering with non fare paying runners too.the gates aren’t exactly evasion proof, but the opening of the gates open and close a little faster preventing a large number of people from getting through. One person can slip in after a fare paying person, but the gates have cut down fare evasion,BART is trying. They are working on perfecting these new gates before moving on to other stations. MTA might want talk to them.
YES! The gates being tested on BART are much better designed. I hope LA Metro installs them as well. They are the best I've seen so far to prevent fare evasion.
I love watching your reports. I live in Harlem. You are entertaining and very informative. All the best to you and the crew!!
This is a Major issue here in Cal Bay Area Too! Its a HUGE LOSS OF $$ For Civil income. Which supports Local communities
Education is a word that comes to mind .