Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer Picking A Fight With Brian Last On Twitter
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2021
- From Episode 367 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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I once bumped into the Young Bucks. I wasn't paying attention and just walked into one of them and knocked him down. Dave gave it four stars.
This is a winner
Must've been Balding... Should have done it in the Tokyo Some, he'd of given it seven.
I know this is a lie because The Young Bucks wouldn't sell for you.
@@King4sshole89 had to be Balding. Buck Hogan wouldn't have sold it.
Well played 😂
If you say AEW into a bathroom mirror 3 times, Dave Meltzer magically appears.
Royalty check is in the mail.
just like bloody mary 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can confirm. Have done
@MemphoWrasslin1 Undertaker or CM Punk to AEW confirmed ha ha ha (I'm not even a CM Punk fan but that would do it)
@MemphoWrasslin1 right not a chance!!!
We definitely need an omnibus of the Cornette/Meltzer relationship degeneration.
Maybe for the end of the year special we can get it
Goddamn, that omnibus would be more than 24 hours long!
Fantastic idea.
@Zedrik Allen thats not how you spell Jericovid
Cornette can't stay friends with anyone.
Dave Meltzer is like an expert swimmer who never got in the pool.
Meltzer, like most people these days, presents his opinion as fact. I stopped listening to him a long time ago.
The dude argues his point by quoting his own reviews half the time.
"The Young Bucks are the greatest tag team of all time because I gave them the most 4 star matches"
Then fans take his word as gospel. It's baffling. Why did we let a senile 62 yr old mark become the arbiter for the pro wrestling zeitgeist in the first place?
@@joshbouman1654 Ive known he full of shit for at least 20 years, he used to share spoilers and when those things didnt happen he used to say WWE found out about the leaks and changed the plans
@@joshbouman1654 This is exactly what we’re talking about. Dude will literally use his own reviews as “documentation”. Nothing blurry there...
@@CarlosMedina-vj7ot or he’ll say don’t believe me pay me 11.99 to find out
You sorry for listening to him in the first place😂L
I have to say, Brian really earned my respect here by firing back at Meltzer. Perfect comeback! Well said.
I've always liked Brian, he knows his wrestling history and doesn't need to do it by quoting Meltzer every question like Conrad. That gets on my last nerve.
Dave wants to be Kenny Omegas golden lover.
That is something I wish I thought of! How true it is!
His golden shower.
😂😂. Dave's sea creature in his mouth that he calls a tonuge works wonders
Dave can have a four some him omega and the young bucks
This is the best comment of 2021 so far.
"Digging in your heels every week to convince yourself your right is a bad look" Look into a mirror and take your own advice Dave 😂
My first thought when I saw his tweet... his lack of self-awareness is astounding, assuming he's not just projecting on purpose.
I'm not a perfectionist I 'm a projectionist.😁
Just because the advice can be applied to Dave doesn't mean it can't still be applied to Brian Last, fool.
Where is the other " ?
@@chuckycheesechucky True but in this case it’s not
Funny how Dave doesn't apply the "you shouldn't criticize them because they make a lot of money" standard when covering the WWE, huh?
And they do a far lot more money than AEW ever would
He shouldn't even really argue that they are successful . They haven't become been profitable and they are not growing.
Dave is an anti-WWE tool. He is a massive hypocrite and doesn't care because his sheep follow him no matter what.
Hey, hey, hey!!! You can’t say anything about Dave Meltzer or any AEW happenings unless it’s to kneel at their altar or the internet Warriors will have your hide
Back when nobody watched puroresu uncle dave couldnt stop talking bout misawa and kobashi when wwe was at its phoniest. When the ufc became mainstream dave wouldnt stop pushing it as the best fighting sport when wwe was at its fakest. See the pattern here?
Me and Jim laughed at the same time when Brian said he's not going to sleep until Meltzer replies back lol
I will give you Dave Meltzer in a nutshell. Bret vs Owen, Bret vs Austin, Michaels vs Taker, Angle vs Benoit, Benoit vs HHH vs HBK, HBK vs Angle, Bret vs Shawn, Rock vs Austin all got a lower rating than Gargano vs Cole. That is so stupid.
In fairness, I thought the Gargano vs Cole series was good, but better than something like Michaels vs Taker or Rock vs Austin? Fuck outta here with that.
@@BrolyLSSJ01 good match but the series was all the same and wayyyyy too many kick outs and garbage like that but a awesome spectacul but greatest WWE match ever nooo
@@MrCodystewie Yeah, after a while it got redundant (it basically buried the credibility of ALL of Cole's signature moves by having Gargano kick out of like 5 or 6 of them), but I still think the 2nd match they had at TakeOver XXV was really good. Was it better than the matches you listed in your original post? Hell no.
@@BrolyLSSJ01 you know whats my favorite NXT match, Ciampa Gargano street fight, the emotion in that match and when Johnny was walking down the ring and Candice gave him the the crutch and said kick his ass, just everything in that match was great but still not the greatest match in WWE history.
@@MrCodystewie I agree, the storytelling in that match was fantastic. It's shame they ran that Ciampa/Gargano feud into the ground though.
When Cornette was saying that down deep people don't change, it really hit so close with me. My Grandmother who was the best person I ever knew, used to say "People don't change, and if they do, they become worse."
"People never change, they just show you who they really are"
HOUSE MD
😅😅😅 14:57 15:03 15:23 😅😅😅😅😅😅😮
I seldom pay attention to Meltzer, and am not overly concerned with what kind of wrestling he enjoys and praises. It's strange how willing he is to sacrifice whatever dignity and credibility he has defending AEW on Twitter like a mother bear.
Not just him but aew playwrestlers notice the wwe has never come and try and defend there garbage strange🤔🤣
There is a conspiracy theory that he lost almost all of his money because of some market crash & he can't afford to retire anymore, so he is just trying to get money & part of the conspiracy is that he is paid by AEW. I don't know if I believe that, but it's weird how he praises everything that AEW does.
@@vanderful2397 it's weird. I'm not in on the conspiracy theories. Yet. It seems like AEW is booked to his tastes though, and full of people he likes. He certainly gives AEW the benefit of every doubt and takes any criticism of their product very personally.
@@alokel8710 plus he’s staked his reputation on the bucks and omega so now they have their own promotion and are evps and bookers he NEEDS aew to do he NEEDS aew to look like it’s doing well that’s why he’s such a shill when you say aew isnt doing better then last year or it was a poor show
He NEEDS aew to be a success because if it fails or is seen as a failure Daves reputation takes a hit as he’s publicly backed them for 3/4 years before aew
I couldn't contain my laughter at mother bear. Lmao
Well technically if you wanna go with ratings, TNA was a more successful start up than AEW has ever been.
They also have gone more downhill in ratings over the last decade outside WWE so...
@@ralphlowrey I think alot of the fans are dedicated unlike WWE and TNA a decade ago which was more casual fans
@@wadewilson1312 TNA had points it was lightyears ahead of anything AEW have done which is nothing more than an indie lite - WWE comedy show.
@@-The-Darkside True but most the fans were casuals. Even more so than WWE at times. Especially when WCW and old WWF guys came in.
@@wadewilson1312 casuals are better than nerds
He’s now degraded to the point where he can’t handle someone not liking a show he likes. That’s behavior you grow out of around age 9.
For what it's worth, the reception to AEW threatens to push what he likes into third string indie shows forever, probably scaring off anyone with money from trying it again within his lifetime. It's not like being an FPS fan and meeting someone who thinks that the FPS genre is for idiots; the FPS genre will have 20M+ paying customers with or without that person's approval. You can't blame a guy for being pissed at people who are rallying to kill his favorite genre and will probably get their way, whether they articulate it like that in their heads or not. He needs this echo chamber to continue.
Not that the industry should let Meltzer stop them from making products with mainstream appeal, mind you. In the future that follows Meltzer's vision, the wrestling industry doesn't have the money to support anything more than a handful of third string indie shows with no big leagues to draw in people with potential.
I enjoy watching NXT. Do I feel the need to defend it whenever Jim and Bryan tear it to pieces every week? No. Because I'm an adult.
I don't even like Dave's old favorite New Japan... just a bunch of fat-roid manlets slapping each other in the titties for 40 minutes.
Because Dave is on the spectrum
Exactly as a wrestling reporter he should be encouraging diverse styles and tastes in wrestling and realise not everyone likes the same thing..or it would become boring
The whole thing sounds so childish. Get off Twitter.
Twitter is the worst
This is the right comment.
So many people come accross far worse on Twitter than they do when you meet them again in real life.
30/35 years ago when the wrestling business was closed it took a lot of work and real reporting to run down what was going on behind the scenes Meltzer was one of the few true journalists writing about wrestling.
He hasn't been a true journalist for a very long time. He's turned into a wanna be "influencer". Dave's opinion on wrestling is the word of God and how dare you differ from his opinion of what good wrestling is.
The Kardashians are on TV for F*** sake! God Jim please don’t ever change this podcast is golden 😂
The "Dynamic Dude" Dave Meltzer is back at it again Ladies and Gentlemen.
Dynamic dong
Good thing ole Conrad is around to swing from Meltzers nuts. Every sentence is “ Meltzer went on to give it x stars”.
i think he just does that for additional context. atleast thats how i interpret it when he does that.
@@magnusyarbrough5527 Meltzer is his only point of reference though. Like somehow Meltzer is the one who all others are judged against.
@@stfi7566 Eric too.
He's trolling Eric and Bruce since they hate him.
@@REPVILE Well he's dealing with Bruce, Tony and Eric so usually they dismiss Meltzer but he's Conrad's reference point.
Dave Meltzer has always been a condescending guy. Its just now after years he is being found out now by friends & foe alike. Everyone is finding him out. He has also lost his mind on all things wrestling related.
Odd, bc he's never actually accomplished a single, damn thing.
@@downwithputinsaveukraine1313 Being in business for 40 years isnt an accomplishment yeah sure thing buddy.
@@downwithputinsaveukraine1313 Is being in business 40 years not an accomplishment big brain??
@@nialllappin4159 He is not a wrestler, booker, commentator, booker or even a ring boy. He is a person that wants people to validate his existence because he doesnt have a family and his wife left him. So Dave is a failure and I would much rather listen to people in the business rather than an observer
@@nialllappin4159 He was never "in the business". He was just a smark spreading his opinions through a nuewsletter. He's no different than any smark posting online nowadays. He just had aplatform becore the internet.
Brian has nailed the start up conversation! It's like saying One Direction are the best debut band ever and ignoring the fact they were backed up by X Factor and Simon Cowell
I think I know what’s wrong with Meltzer. He started out writing about badasses who looked down on him and now he’s writing about children who think he’s some kind of genius
"Digging in your heels every week to convince yourself you're right is a bad look."
Meltzer's been doing that for YEARS...
decades.
Its like Dave, there are these things called OPINIONS. Its like he’s got Spidey sense whenever ANYONE out there gives any type of negative criticism to AEW & Brian was being pretty objective
anyone: “the elite aren’t tha-“
*a wild Dave meltzer appears*
Anyone used Logical Criticism
*It's not very effective*
"Wild Pokemon Battle theme"
Down, Right, Click, Run Away!
Dave Meltzer has became a huge self mark.
Dave blocked me on Twitter because I told him the biggest marks in the wrestling fandom are his paid subscribers.
Always has been
@@toddiwod Surprised he didnt tell u that mark & the N word are both on the same level of derogatory. He's done that before.
Lmao and Brian isn't 🤔
Became?
20 min Meltzer rant? Got my popcorn ready this is gonna be good...
The great artwork screams........" I'm not going to be IGNORED Jim"!
Dave and Jericho are in a competition to see who can kill their legacy the most
@michael murillo Chris is no legend, his biggest achievement is beating two top attitude era stars in one night with screwy finishes. Also, he never reinvents himself as his fans like to say. he has always been the same character who interrupts people and then loses.
v b Still a legend and a former top star. Midcarder or not he has great success, got over, and is a recognized wrestling name. He just decided to flush that down the toilet with his recent and current crisis. But he at least achieved super stardom in the biggest stage a wrestler can be offered while Dave is just some pseudo wrestling expert who was never been in the inside and has zero credibility now as a journalist thanks to him being buddies with the “boys”.
Aaron Lassiter He definitely was something special. But isn’t at all now.
Dave has never had a legacy what are you taking about?
Meltzer, a case of the pot calling the kettle black
And it's legal in California.
I gave AEW a shot a couple of months back but I just couldn't watch it anymore. I couldn't tell who the faces or heels were. If it was WWE programming it would be crucified.
The only thing that makes AEW different is that Vince doesn't own it. That all.
I have wrestler friends who want to work there simply to get on TV and concede that they have zero idea what they're booking over there.
I tuned into AEW for an alternative similar to the way TNA was back in 2005. Everyone was everyone, stuff was all over the place, their matches are often just spotfests with no reason. I came to the conclusion that it just wasn't for me.
Don't forget AEW is all about the DIVES lol
idk how theyre running the shows now, but werent face and heel entrances? could have sworn there was
WWE is trash so is AEW its shit.
'His social security number is 3!' Jim Cornette is a national treasure. That's all there is to it!!
He did it to me exact same thing on twitter i was attacked for days lmao except i did dig in my heels
Dave is just acting like any other AEW fan. They take it so personal.
Not just fans but there actual playwrestlers too pathetic
Dave on aew payroll.
Dave/Every AEW Internet Fan: "Yeah well the Dinner Debonair segment is at least more creative than ANYTHING in WWE, sorry you think Raw is so great!!!"
Objective Wrestling Fan: "Uhhh no I think Raw sucks & WWE is in a death spiral until Vince finally steps away, I'm more upset AEW isn't the good WWE alternative we were promised."
Dave/AEW fan: ".........You just don't get AEW, I'm blocking you"
@@CM-jc7gk what these marks don’t get is we think Raw sucks too
@@deanw0rmer they automatically think that because you dare say something negative about aew you MUST like wwe
ahhhh even in modern times, we still have the classic guys who their success went into their heads.
Meltzer has CTE despite never taking a bump in his life... Poor Guy.
Some aew mark will come to his defense, I mean they are the real sheep and you can't expect them to have their own opinion.
It’s due to all the impact his forehead’s taken from Twinkletoes’ & The Bucks’ belt buckles.
Brian saying he has read every issue of _The Observer_ isn’t the flex he thinks it is.
It's to show he has a balanced and informed opinion
I don't get the big deal with Dave Metzler's opinion being held so high, the guy is just a glorified fan that writes newsletters. Since when did he become the gatekeeper of what's good and bad wrestling
It used to be that Dave was regarded as a reporter and a guy who could get you the news about wrestling more reliably than anyone else. People put-up with him rating matches, because it always seemed like he remained objective in his reporting.
That seemed to kind of go away in the mid 2000s, though. He became obsessed with the PWG/DDT style of goofball acrobatic wrestling, and his personal biases started to influence his reporting and his radio show coverage.
I think this came up in a previous video. The short answer is because he's been around for so long. The promoters who thought he was an idiot when he started aren't around anymore to keep their aspiring wrestlers from taking his advice.
The fans gave his star ratings way too much power. People say the wwe shows are made to please Vince well AEW makes it show to please Dave
Growing up, the only reason people liked Dave was for his inside bits and articles. No one even mentioned his ratings until the last decade. So alot of young newer fans think Meltzer was always praised for his ratings. That has never been the case.
toddiwod never thought id hear ddt and acrobatic be in the same sentence. given i havent seen a whole shitload of ddt but it doesnt remind me of main roster wwe from what ive seen
RIP The Great Butch Reed.
Dave Meltzer has truly lost the plot
Remember when his son got really ill-as in near death a few years back & Dave after coming home from the hospital with the lad when he was discharged late decided to stay up all night watching Smackdown & other wrestling shows? That is the point I worked out he is totally autistic.
@@Hi-kq1vi Very strange behaviour given his son was that ill I took note of that & made my mind up that Dave is on the spectrum for sure
If were talking about AEW, there is no plot haha
@@Hi-kq1vi Or maybe that's just a coping mechanism? Look, I don't like the guy, but its pretty tasteless to attack him for not acting "right" after almost losing his son. There's no rulebook about how people are supposed to react to extremely stressful or traumatic situations, specially if its something as harrowing as your child's near-death. Some people shut down, some people act like nothing's wrong, and some people even laugh. Meltzer hid himself in something that was familiar and comfortable after dealing with something horrible, that's natural.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 agreed
Dave claims to have all these interesting 'best friends' yet he'll spend a random weekend arguing w/ egg accounts on twitter.
Hey, maybe he can't decide which of those 'friends' he wants to spend time with 😂
@@MrT571 lol
I'm not Twitter guy what's an egg account please,... I'm twitteriliterate
@@Thesixthcoming2 So instead of picking a profile pic, you just leave it on default which is in the shape of an egg. Those are typically burner accounts, trolls, or bots.
@@dirtmcgirt8269 this is crystal i have no profile pic but my household has a few items running and between my husband and my kids and my stuff my kids use my email cause they are too young for their own email and stuff amd sometimes my husband watches youtube on my sons tablet so he is signed into my account not knowing it this is not a bot account or burner its just my email being used with my kids that way i know what they watch and stuff
Seems pretty obvious AEW is paying Dave to speak positively about the promotion. I guess every once has price for the Billion Dollar Fan.
@LaffyCappy No, I have a job that pays money
@LaffyCappy Haha he doesn't have a podcast and you don't have a life, everyone is devoid of something. Is that you Dave?
the billion dollar fan lmfao thats a new one. thats great
@LaffyCappy I have a waffle maker, does that count?
Ahahahaha - MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEEEEEEEE - EEEEE
Meltzer tried his hand covering MMA. Epic fail .
Unlistenable. Just stuttered and said "you know" a hundred times.
In other words Dave is the ghost Head booker and he takes offense to people who criticizes a company that exist as a tribute to what he thinks wrestling should be.
Uncle Dave shares the ghost head booker table with Vince Russo at AEW.
@@WorldTravelA320 ding ding ding 🛎 but at least Russo will criticize them.
@@calikid05 And Brian usually stands up for Dave. And he finally pissed brian off. that takes some work.
He literally became Bill Watts.
And the dislike is probably from Tuna Meltzer himself.
Beat me to it. Lol
Tuna meltzer 🤣😂💀
i didnt get what tuna meltzer was at first, then i understood it. its certainly original ill give you that
Something fishy going on here.
It's like he's the roadie for a band and you better not knock his friends because they're his inside to being cool
I laugh at what Jim Cornette says around 4:52-4:55 because I first heard the phrase "Go piss up a rope." sometime in the mid-1990's because my dad said it up somebody & I was like "What does that mean?...".
What’s funny is that Brian gives AEW some credit 😂😂😂
The bucks pandered to him for years,which was a genius move,putting a leash on potentially your biggest critic.....
What Dave and AEW fans need to know and understand this. Although extremely unlikely now at this point sadly. If Vince and the WWE suddenly strike gold and get back to any reminence of what they could be AEW wouldn't stand a chance
Lol that's like saying trump won the election thinking WWE will ever be good 🤣
@@DormammuMason It's possible, but Vince would have to be completely out of the picture. As long as Vince McMahon still has a presence in WWE, the product will continue to stagnate.
"There's never been a start up that's had this success"
Yeah, because it was never backed by a billionaire's son. What's considered success anyways? Are they making significant profits? I doubt it otherwise we would hear them brag about it but instead they point to other things to define their 'success'.
id imagine theres only a handful of companies, across the entire economy, making a profit right now. these years probably arent going to be good metrics for their financial success.
But, but...the key demographics.
Dave doesn’t get that though he thinks aew started from nothing. And had a miracle success
When ever did a start up wrestling company ever have a tv multimillion deal on a major national cable channel BEFORE they even did a show, started with a billionaire backing and willing to spend money AND start with big name stars paying 4-6 million dollars a year AND have a built in fans base leaching off NJPW and anti wwe sentiment
@@magnusyarbrough5527 This is 100% false. There’s plenty of companies doing well. What has happened is that companies who couldn’t adapt were simply outgrown.
@@peterlee6374 Your long winded comment doesnt change the fact that a start up has never had this success doesnt matter who owns it, what TV deal they got. The original comment still stands.
I remember some random guy on Twitter tweeted that he had AEW on and Orange Cassidy came on the TV while he was in the bathroom and his girlfriend saw OC and started laughing at how bush league the OC and the show looked and how he had to turn off the show in embarrassment. Dave finds the tweet (which he wasn't tagged on) and derides the guy for 'making up the story.'
This wasn't the Dave Meltzer I grew up reading. This is the Dave Meltzer that the old Dave Meltzer would take to task for being such a fanboy. And it made it clear that this Dave Meltzer has skins in the game when it come to AEW.
@0:40 that Fatal Attraction reference is hilarious, Corny never fails to entertain us fans 😂
Dude.....Jim Cornette is imo the best wrestling mind alive. He and JR
That's why he is not working anywhere except a ridiculous podcast.....
@@2SD251Jim Why do you have 17 comments on this channel?
@@2SD251Jim or.......he doesn't want to be a part of the stupid bullshit that all of them are assaulting us with.
This as close to social media as I’ll go. You guys speak the truth
"Digging in your heel to convince yourself you're right isn't a good look", says Meltzer, digging his heels in
Brian should've responded by saying "Hey Dave you forgot to log in one of burner accounts"
I like how brutal Jim is 😂 people he’s known for 35 years will be dropped in a heart beat if they like twinkle toes and excrement on commentary.
naa he didnt drop him because of that, he dropped him because Dave compared Young Bucks to Midnight Express haha
I think the main reason he dropped him is because Jim publicly defended him, and Dave knifed the shit out of him behind his back but then in private kept acting like his friend.
he didn't blast Uncle Dave because he likes The Elite; he finally blasted him because he's attacking him because of The Elite
Brian always defends him too. Dave has lost his mind.
Brian usually plays Devil's Advocate against Corny's rants.
Because Dave doesn't value actual friends, he values what he considers his heroes and will throw friends under the bus to defend his heroes even if their shit sucks.
I've never followed Meltzer closely but from what everyone says he sounds like the definition of a narcissist (might have spelled that wrong though).
I'm gonna absolutely dread seeing this senile "hey there fellow kids" old fart Meltzer in the next season of Dark Side of the Ring. Also, did anyone else see the clip posted on DSotR's Twitter page of Jericho doing narration again? One thing I have to give him props for is his narration work. He can't sing and his politics are abysmal, but Jericho is an awesome narrator. Glad he's back.
It’s his tolerance, because his income is dependent on it.
Now that I think about it that's probably true as to why Dave is so bent on convincing himself that AEW is "true."
I dont agree with some of Corny's criticisms. Sometimes I think he's absolutely wrong......but he is so entertaining to listen to that I'll just sit back and laugh at his rants
I think that's the way it should be.
He is spot on about everything on AEW, the young fucks and mcfingerbang lol
He's right about a business he's been in since he was 17 soooooo HE'S RIGHT
I enjoyed Corny talks and rants best of all time
but thats the best part
I agree with Brian, all the current product is terrible. Set the bar pretty low and Dave eats it up. A bad look is stonewashed jeans in 2021.
I lost interest in AEW after EPISODE 1. I felt the company LIED to us wrestling fans by saying that they were going to bring back an actual WRESTLING program but they end up doing what WWE was/is doing
@@CraigSmithII I agree completely, they said it would be more of a sports centric show. But they have wacky matches and show tunes.
@@CraigSmithII Except in AEW the talent bury themselves with the stupid shit they pull off.
@@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556 No, in wwe talent are buried.Aew has no talent to begin with
Meltzer, Alvarez and Jericho disliked this video
Now both the bucks have
Alvarez is worse than Meltzer
@@louis3141 looks like fatback and pockets did now too
Brian talks like a lawyer always covering himself and talking around things to death before getting to his actual point
Jim says what he thinks and Brian is conservative that’s pretty much the whole show
why even bother with Meltzheimer anymore. He's so past respectable retirement I feel bad just trying listening to the guy. It's like like, you know, um, like, sad, andandand, yeah, so that's the story..
I would totally love a 45 minute talk about uncle Dave's mind and see what you guys come up with
It's also the first time that Dave's been on the "in" with a wrestling company. He's always been the guy on the outside, held with a bit of contempt because he was the dirtsheet writer. With AEW, it's run by guys that idolize his opinion, so he isn't capable of judging it without bias.
Bill Simmons summed it perfectly when he said that we can't always listen to the insiders because they can't do a really negative article because "what if Lebron doesn't take my calls anymore?"
This is exactly how I see it
Dave has made such a big point of saying how great and big of a star omega and the bucks are he NEEDS aew to be successful and SEEN to be successful as his credibility and reputation is on the line
Power always attracts those who doesn’t deserve it.
@@peterlee6374 This.
I smoke a lot of weed, and still loathe AEW.
lol same
You need angel dust to enjoy it.
Bath Salts Bitches!! 🤪
Hopium is the way to go.
Guys like Dave have always been a problem in the world.
You know the one gentleman, that asshole in the room who is so deep into his own shit that he cannot, repeat, CANNOT see the other side of the argument worth a good god damn.
The best thing about reading Dave's articles is that you don't have to hear him speak for 40 minutes straight.
The dude contradicts himself and is so self absorbed with his own bullcrap he can't see that he may be wrong.
"It's OK to do hokey stuff because it works for the small crowds, by the way Japanese outlaw wrestling has none of that and that's why it's the best ever"
He then compared wrestling to watching a movie and that people know it's fake like movies. Ok, Well if you go see Freddy Krueger and expect a horror show but he's all of a sudden in a drama it's not intrinsic to the character it makes for a crappy movie that devalues the character which is the same as the bullcrap wrestling Dave loves so much.
Never thought meltzer would become the biggest mark known to man.
Why would Meltzer do this? To stalk people on Twitter that have a different opinion? Isn’t he supposed to be an objective journalist? Good God. Leave it alone Meltzer.
I'm worried about Dave. His thoughts regarding wrestling are reaching a point where I think he might wander off and get lost like an elderly person, and fire department will have to do a search and rescue.
Dave has nothing better to do than pick a fight with the great brian last?
don't think I ever clicked a link so fast in my life
Bro so true to that
You're not alone Jim. When I first saw Omega over in NJPW, I was like, "this guy is who everyone is drooling over?" I was so unimpressed and a bit disappointed.
Yep never got it
To be honest, in NJPW he WAS good, key word WAS. Kenny Omega in NJPW was legitimately over. Kenny Omega in AEW is just the free trial demo of NJPW Kenny
@@HazelWolfieLive NJPW forced him to have clean matches with zero BS. His prancing was dumb, even then, but his actual matches were good. It's all in him, but he can't be in charge. He needs people controlling some of his stuff.
All that said, Jim Cornette to me seems idiotic. I've talked to older people, they all went to watch pro wrestling, any promotion to laugh at the corny outfits, and the fake BS. I don't care how exactly a fake punch is done, these 1970s fans knew all too well it was super fake. I just wish Jim deflated himself a little. But I find his clips here fun to hear anyway.
Just give me a standing switch and a back suplex, or a good submission. If that's done, and done well its fun for me to watch. NJPW for decades knew best how to do that, it's the people that have been there and came back to the U.S. that got me to even like pro wrestling. Omega isn't the best example of such stars. I think Tanahashi was right about Omega a lot he was talking about a person Tyson Smith, and I think some of it was not a promo, it was from the heart. Good athlete, fantastic even, not a very good pro wrestler, knows the moves, but needed to be trained, and not in stupid DDT. There I can see Jim's point.
Meltzer is a jacked-up, California, version of Vince Russo who's a journalist and thinks of himself as "one of the boys." Russo is a New York, pot-smoking, version of Meltzer who wrote television. There are key differences between both guys, but there are many similarities.
Around the 10 second mark, Jim's voice slightly creaks. Jim is human. Losing a long time friend sucks
Personally, I don't really understand exactly why their friendship ended. It's just so incredibly childish to end a friendship over a fucking TV show.
@@JMFSpike from what I gather, Jim was talking trash about AEW, Dave for some reason started taking personal shots .
Does anyone have an idea why him and Bruce aren't in the same page anymore? It was around the time bruce was brought back. I'm thinking trump.
@@kingkold Yeah, the whole thing is just silly. Jim always agreed with or at least understood where Dave was coming from in his wrestling reviews over the decades. Now AEW has come along and Dave's opinions are radically different then Jim's, so now they hate each other.
Like I said before, it's childish as hell. You can have different opinions on all kinds of things, but different opinions should never end a friendship, especially a 20 year one! I guess their friendship wasn't that strong to begin with if it can end over such a trivial thing.
@@moses0686 last I heard Jim mention was that Bruce had lied to him about something
We need a Meltzer cameo for Jim
Damn you Travis....and that picture
When I saw the picture I thought this argument was going to be over bad Bunny and then Jim just killed him lol
Hes a 60 year old man who feels like hes been taken in by the cool kids & wont give it up easily
The Bucks are the most overrated wrestling team I’ve ever seen since they’re bland and not believable
They look like cheerleaders out there they're terrible idk how people can be a fan of them and their lame super kicks
Totally agree. Right up there with New Day.
I wish Dave and Jim and Brian would have a debate show. It would be a killer show.
Naw, Dave would keep interrupting to say something off-topic that he’s already awkwardly stuttered through before.
Killer show in that Jim would kill someone?
The master of “You Know”, Dave Meltzer.
Just reading the description I bet this will be gold! 😂😂😂
Dave Meltzer and the modern wrestling industry, especially AEW and the indies but WWE, Impact, etc. as well, are stuck in a feedback loop. I think Brian’s right, Dave has always loved the modern high spot style above everything else but almost nobody was doing it when he started out, certainly not in the US mainstream. But starting in the 90’s, with workers like Michaels and Jericho and the WCW Cruiserweights, wrestling started to inch towards what Meltzer liked. Those matches were more exciting than what people had seen before, so fans loved them, and Dave rated them highly, and so people who were fans back then decided that since Dave’s critical appraisal aligned with their personal opinion, that meant if he liked something it was objectively good.
Those kids would grow up to be the modern generation of wrestling, and this is key. When Dave started out, wrestlers and the majority of fans either didn’t know or didn’t care who he was, but now most of the wrestlers and a huge chunk of the fans follow him religiously. So wrestlers like the Young Bucks pander to Dave so he’ll give them publicity, Dave showers them with praise, fans decide that this must be what wrestling is if Dave likes it, and other wrestlers decide that if that’s what fans want and Dave says it’s good, then that’s what they have to do as well.
AEW is what Dave has always wished wrestling could be but he’s been too afraid to say so until now, because what he wanted was so outside the mainstream he’d lose credibility. Now that the mainstream has finally come to him he’s afraid of it going away and he lashes out at anyone who mildly criticises it, because if AEW goes down, which doesn’t look very likely right now, WWE will revert to form and the industry will follow them, and we’ll be back to the lumbering heavyweights and squash matches of the late 80s.
People complain that WWE is written for an audience of one, and it is and it’s a huge problem. But AEW is written for an audience of two, and one of those two believes whatever the other one tells him.
Mick Foley was probably the first pro wrestler to go all in for Meltzer love and oh did he get it. Maybe even more love than he shows the Bucks and Omega now.
The "Not a good look" is the most lame-ass saying currently going.
Plus isn’t he in his fifties? That makes it even more cringeworthy.
That and calling everything "wholesome".
Most sayings in current times are lame-ass
Especially when it comes from a 60 year old man with dementia.
@@christerry1611 That ain’t it, chief. Wrong take, my dude.
The buildup for the plug at the end made listening to it worthwhile 😂
"Dave has never been a liar"
CM Punk would like a word
Brian is absolutely right though. I'm a fan of a lot of AEW's talent, and modern wresting overall (sometimes the spotfest gets to be too much or a match goes too long, but overall I enjoy the modern wrestling style). However, anyone with eyes can see an amateur is putting together Dynamite on a weekly basis. Segments run over each other, there's terrible attempted comedy, talent and feuds just run into one another, things don't make sense. I want AEW to succeed, but at times they make it hard on themselves, and fanboys like Dave who make it insufferable and drive people away when they bring up valid criticism of the product do more harm than good.
Seriously, what is Dave's issue!?
“Tongue boxing of the sphincter hole” -Corny 2021 aka tongue punch the fart box 🤣🤣🤣🤣
7:20, almost busted out laughing at work! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Being "the best wrestling show on TV" at this point is truly like being the nicest guy in maximum security prison, or the most well-adjusted human being in the psych ward.
Totally agree with Brian here, you can like the wrestlers, like the style of matches, like the production value, whatever, but AS A WHOLE TELEVISION PROGRAM FROM START TO FINISH, it's just not there. There's a big difference between something as a live event versus something being intended for broadcast.
The more uncle dave defends aew, the more commission tony Khan drip feeds him
Facts
Dave used to say one didn't need a four star match in the middle of the card. That, he said, is what made the New Japan guys, the Makabes, the Nagatas, the Nakanishis, so smart. Meltzer used to say The Young Bucks were doing too many spots, that they and The Addiction were beating each other up too much for a middle of the year ladder match in ROH. Meltzer HAS fucking flipped. I wish Cornette could provide more insight into why, but oh well.
What David really needs isn't athletic greens, it's a magic spoon to sweeten his disposition