Bruh, Adam... Are you okay? You want to pay Marner $13M and also Tavares and Bennett $6.5M and $7M, respectively, just to have them on your 3rd line??? As Jessie stated, the Cap exists... The Leafs only have $24M in space for next year... This math ain't mathing...
the thing with adam's take on bennett AND tavares staying/signing with toronto is that ya with the cap that they have it's not a REALISTIC outcome. he's picturing a FANTASY outcome lmaoo. his take makes 0 sense. it's bennett OR tavares if youre paying marner 13M period, not both
@@carlosalvador98 They're obviously assuming Elliot Friedman is right and the cap will jump to 95 million next season (a likely scenario if the NHL wants to avoid having a massive cap jump the season after when the salary cap formula put in place for covid ends and it goes back to the normal formula). The Math works just fine, but I think Florida will easily resign Bennet
I wish I could see a break down of Marner’s stats according to the opponent. Playoff teams versus bottom feeders. Also would be interesting to see his stats versus teams like Boston, St. Louis, Florida etc. Is he really that good versus strong and heavy defensive teams that take his time and space away? Playoffs would show that he’s not effective against those teams when I counts.
I think this applies to almost all players though. Most of the time in the regular season, people get their giant 3 to 4 point games against bad teams. I am sure McDavid averages way more points against like the Sharks than Vegas for example.
Issue isn't Marner. Playoffs you play the same team up to 7 times. Leafs have 2 scoring lines that are elite and a top pair defense that is elite, but the depth for both is where the issue lies. Teams prep, and plan for this, so if you only have 1/2 scoring lines, playoffs will shut you down. Look at the Florida Panthers that won last year, where they had 4 lines contributing in scoring. Leafs don't have that.
Has to be a Leafs channel lol! Nobody mentions any free agents heading to Montreal when rumors are swirling Ehlers wants to play with Laine there, his best buddy!
Where exactly would Ehlers play in Montreal's lineup? They already have three top six wingers signed for next season, plus Demidov (presumably) coming over.
@timkelly6463 I don't think it will be that easy. The Avs, as constructed, don't make the conference finals. The Avs will also need to extend Cale Makar by the 2026 off-season.
Luckily he has regressed a bit from the scalding hot start he had, so I still have hopes FLA can re-sign him. The 7M x 6 or 7M x 7 is what I pictured him having, but I'm sure it's a tough spot for Benny if he gets to UFA and the offers come in starting at 8 million.
I think Panthers will sign him, but he is physical player so hes career could go bad very soon. Also Lundell have been ready for bigger role for a while now. Bennett was very important player for Panthers few last seasons, but there are some risks to re-signing him. More speed for roster wouldn't hurt and they need spend money for guality D-man.
Nikolaj Ehlers is a very good friend of Patrick Laine. So don’t be surprise to see him with the Montreal Canadien. Montréal has the space salary wise with Price, Dvorak and others off the book.
@@dr.curious5136 Players go where the money and opportunity is. But the latter is an issue in terms of Ehlers and the Canadiens. Next season they’ll have Caufield, Slafkovsky, Laine and Demidov slated for top six wing roles. Where would Ehlers go in the lineup?
@@dr.curious5136Montréal will be a top team in a year or 2. The leafs will be a bottom feeder in 2 years. Matthews is washed and always injured and your defense is ass.
@ You obviously don’t watch Hockey…… Montreal is a bottom feeder, we have no defence ??? Yea ok, you know the game of hockey as well as a blind person sees
@@kingmisogyny1852 listen, as a bruins fan, I would love to see the leafs lose. but you thinking that they will be a bottom feeder in 2 years is HILARIOUS. least educated hockey fan of the new year.
@@mastersquid20 I could Mikko get an extension, but that would make re-signing Makar more difficult. The Landeskog situation makes re-signing Mikko more complicated.
9:46 Ehlers is literally what the Jackets need right now, and he’d be coming into a place where he’s played with one of the top two centres, the other of which is thirsting for a winger like Ehlers to help him get his 3rd season breakthrough. And the Jackets also will have a boatload of money. The only downside is his injury history. I don’t know, but I get the feeling that Don Waddell is one of the “hurt players get hurt” types who avoid players with an injury history.
Hurricanes fan, love dirty don and seen him pull out some magic signings and find the guys that fit and squeeze the most out of random guys. I expect him to be frugal and build the team up with some FA’s
Rantanen to the Wild would be insane especially if they manage to also give Kaprizov an extension and if Yurov comes over. I think I'd rather see them go with a cheaper option with Boeser. They'd then have enough to resign the Gus Bus to have a 1A/1B tandem with Wallstedt in addition to giving Rossi a new deal.
I think Wild would be a much better fit for Mikko than the Rangers. He's a moody guy and Rangers at least now has its fair share of artists who aren't willing to put in the work. Wild has the workers mentality Mikko needs from the players around him.
I would be surprised if Minnesota gets mikko and kaprizov I honestly didn’t think they had that much money but I don’t see how Colorado signs him either
Minnesota needs more center depth though, so I don't think Rantanen will be the priority. Rantanen is not only a part of Colorado's big three, but he's also one of their heart and sole players. MacKinnon-Rantanen-Makar is Colorado's Crosby-Malkin-Letang and McDavid-Draisaitl-Bouchard. I find it hard to believe that Rantanen will even want to walk.
The amount of money being discussed make me appreciate Scheifele and Hellebuyck signing 8.5x7 Or 8-9m for Chychrun? Morrissey makes 6.25m. How much is Connor/Morrissey going to want? Will they do 8.5 maybe a internal cap?
I've wanted him for years but I feel like he has priced himself out with this year's performance. Or if we actually stand a chance of getting him, we have to let go of both Bennett and Ekblad.
6.5 for Tavares who's a 3rd liner. That's not great. And Minnesota is projected to have 15.16 million in cap space in 2025-26 and they need to sign Rossi. Even if he gets 6 million they wont get Rantanen for 14. And Suter and Parise don't come off their books until 2027-28
In which world do you live where Tavares is a third line center? If Tavares signs at 6.5M that'd be a great deal(term is always the key though). Look at Stamkos' contract, Pavelski's and Giroux. Yes Stamkos is a bad one, but you'd be dishonest to think Tavares won't be getting 6.5M on the free market easily at that.
tavares is and pretty much always is a ppg player. getting him for less than 6.5 is a dream. realistically 6.5 is a deal for him and would probably require a lot of term.
We all know Leafs will resign Marner and we'll continue the insanity. Future generations will just shake their head much like we do concerning the Leafs.
Caps are going to keep Chychrun. Backstrom, Oshie, Mangiapane will all be off the books for Washington. Washington will get it done at 8x$8m with Carlson only having a couple years left on his deal. TVR might be a casualty and get squeezed out but it will be worth it.
As a Flyers fan we have 0 top 6 Centers on our roster, and our best C prospect is 3 years away from a top 6 tole. We are going to inflate the center market.
If the Leafs get JT and MM signed for 18.9m instead of the current 21.9m with the cap going up…is that such a bad thing? Can’t trade him and can’t lose him for nothing, Mitch will have to stay whether for the right reason or the wrong
Stop this nonsense about "can't lose for nothing". Leafs have signed "other" teams UFAs for years but somehow the Leafs have to get a package back for Marner. Playoff contenders actually trade for UFAs for a Cup run, knowing they don't have the cap to resign those players.
Rantinin has scored 55 goals in the year he got 105pts. He also has over 100pts in 81 playoff games, which is way better than Marner or Matthew's, so ya, better player's get paid more, he's worth it. Marner is yet to score 40 in a season let alone 55, and he's yet to reach 100pts in a season also, which Rantinin has done multiple times. Rantinin's also already won a cup, so he's got playoff winning pedigree, which Toronto players don't have. So what would be fair is for Mitch to make about 15% less than whatever Rantinin makes, that would be fair. Also Rantinin being 6'4' 217lbs and being able to go beast mode in the playoffs and getting the job done, which Mitch and Matthew's can't do is also more valuable than someone who can't get it done. One thing can change that, if Mitch has a great playoff run this year and they win the cup, pay the man his 13.5m x 8yrs, if not, it's 12.5m x 8yrs.
@bradbradbury8561 you are missing the point. McKinnon is the avs best player, and these leafs fans think that avs with pay this guy 1 or 1.4 mill more a year then McKinnon. Yet when it comes to the leafs , there is no way Marner can get as much let alone more then Matthews, even Matthews will be getting another new in a couple years paying more then he makes now
@@shirleydaley5335 Didn't McKinnon sign last year, so that would be a two year increase in hockey revenue salary, between McKinnon and Rantinin, while Matthews and Marner is only one years difference in revenue salary cap. That's about a 5m difference. The best deal for Mitch to make would be to sign for 12m x 3yrs, then he could get 14m x 8yrs on his next contract when the cap goes up. That would maximise his value, if that's what he's truely interested in, which seems to be the case.
This is a hypothesis but some ufa's might be tempted to sign to teams that are in a perfect (draft/rank) situation and wait 2-3 years to get really good chances to get the cup. I have Phily, Montreal and Columbus under my radar.
Is Toronto the only market/team/ which values players based on their regular season success... unlike almost every other teams which rates the players with more emphasis on playoff-games success?
I’m a leafs fan and I can say our media is the main perpetrator in this. The real leaf fans understand playoffs is important that is why I would rather pay 💰 Rantanen over Marner as an example
It’s going to bring a tear to my eye watching his steel touch the ice @ PPG paints Ice area in Autumn of next year. Yinz gotta come dahntahn to wasch-it. Parade route is getting off 279 at Pittsburgh! 2yrs/ 9.3million.
Always, always bet on self interest. People can say whatever they want but at the end of the day, people will always care about themselves above all else.
With the season Marner is having, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets more than Matthews is currently making. The cap is going to be well up over when Matthews signed AND Marner will be signing for 8 years, rather than Matthews’ 5. Combine these economic and situational factors with his stickler of an agent, and I don’t doubt 14Mx8yrs.
Hahaha, Sam Bennett as the 3rd line centre on $7m/7 years on the Leafs, wake up! He is a top 6 centre on a cup winning team and a regular season juggernaught!
We’re not used to new salary cap numbers. So what we think of a 5 million dollar player is probably gonna be worth 6 aka Tavares. Who at a point a game, yes you sign him at 6! Superstars and even star player are gonna get a bigger raise than that! Rantanen at 14 isn’t unheard of. Avs should welcome that! Be grateful you have Makar and MacKinnon at current contracts.
I think there’s way to much wishful thinking by leaf’s fans on John Tavares, this guy is worth a lot more then 6 million dollars, for a center, who can still give you production around 70 to 80 points, who is known for being a 200 foot player, and if I’m John, this is my final contract, this is likely the last contract he signs int he nhl, he owes Toronto nothing, and I think he could get more money on the open market, and let’s say John is not to concerned about the money and for him he wants to win a cup, respectfully, if Toronto falls out of the playoffs again in the first round, why would he come back, Mitch is in his prime, I understand him staying in Toronto, but John I don’t know
@SteveDangle, would not be nice to see Marner and Matthews split for a playoff series?? Let’s find out who the real problem is here. Everyone rips Mitch but he played with Matthews most of these series who also laid an egg. I hope we get a decent 3C and split up the big 3 and treat this playoff like a tryout. Keep the two that can run their own lines into success. What you think Steve D??
You would spend 20 years searching for replacement for Mikko. He will be an Av next year. 13.5, 14, 14.5, they will pay it. They cant move him before the playoffs without losing the team, they cant let him walk for nothing, and unless something absolutely explodes the two sides figure it out
If Ovechkin retires this summer and doesn't come back, Washington suddenly has an extra $9.5m to spend and a top line scoring role to fill. They're going to have to go shopping for a whale if Ovechkin isn't on the books next year.
@Dratchev241 I agree and that's why I mentioned it. Honestly, I would love to see him have a full season long farewell tour but he might not want to. He might legit score the record breaking goal and go sit on the bench and never play another shift. I wouldn't blame him one bit. He's logged a lot of miles on that body. To still be performing at the level he is at 39 is absurd. But yeah if his $9.5m is suddenly available for Washington and they have a hole in the top line, they could throw big money at a scorer this summer.
@@mikeb.2925 I suspect if he breaks it this year, he won't be done. you know he is going to go for another cup and this year likely is his last chance and he likely knows this. We can easy say next year they will be contenders but look at the rangers and how fast that fell apart, caps could have same happen next year. So he for sure is going for a cup and he knows if the record ain't broke this year he can do it next year likely very easy.
I would be very surprised if he retired after this year. He is still so good and especially now that the Capitals are legit and a contender; why hang em up? He honestly could just camp in his one timer spot on the power play until he is 45 and still score 30 a year.
@crushdavis7048 he's got a young family and he's not a young man. What's left to accomplish? He might just be tired and ready to enjoy the rest of his life that isn't on the ice. Could he still score some goals? Sure. But maybe he just simply doesn't want to be Jagr.
I was a fan back in the sixties and no one trashed talked players the way you v-bloggers do and these Leafs are in a different league to players back then.
If the Leafs can sign Marner to a contract of 13.1 per year for 8 years they would be stupid not to. Marner will be giving them a home town discount. Tavares will get 5 for 8. With the expectation he will be on Robidas Island for the last 4 years.
Who is a playoff performer on this team?? Who can you say other than maybe Knies, elevates their game for playoffs? I think I’d keep Marner out of the 3. Trade Nylander first and Matthews if Nylander doesn’t work out
Who is a playoff performer on this team?? Who can you say other than maybe Knies, elevates their game for playoffs? I think I’d keep Marner out of the 3. Trade Nylander first and Matthews if Nylander doesn’t work out
Marner will sign with Toronto for a “hometown discount” of 13 mil per year lol. Let me ask you leaf fans, would you have Marner at 13 mil? Or take a Suzuki or Caufield for 7.8?
Im okay with mitch signing again in toronto. But for the love of chuck norris, just dont sign him with a no movement/no trade clause again. Being possibly stuck with someone who never shows up when it counts for 8 years is a nightmare. And I want tavares to stay in toronto, hes such a good leaf....but he needs to take a big hometown deal so we can get some top 9 centers in the mix.
He has led the league in points when MacKinnon was injured and makar wasn't around. He is a playoff beast and data shows that he performs well even without McKinnon and Makar.
Rantanen is a genius on the ice and its not like he will go to a team and play with bums... Fox and Panarin and I reckon he'd still eat good lol... same with Boldy and Kaprizov
mikko will resign for the rest of his career with us , and his deal will have one or 2 years at lower cost to make sure makar gets signed aswell for another 8 years ,avs are not letting him walk and why would he , why go sign for a little more to have no chemistry ... right stamkos lmao
@@KaleFGB 1. Did I say they were? 2. That’s what everyone said about Johnny too lol. The Jackets have a ton of cap space. They aren’t gonna do nothing with it
@@KaleFGBThe Jackets literally have over 40 mil in cap space that they have to use to hit the cap floor. If Rantanen hits the market, which I don’t think he even hits the market, however he has a Cup and could just chase the money. He could get 15 mil from Columbus.
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crazy how players play the best they ever have, when they need a new contract
Marner and JT certainly woke up when money was on the line.
It’s been that way for the 40 years I’ve followed the league. Marner and JT are certainly not unique in this phenomenon.
@@F40-c4i And this is certainly not just a hockey thing, this is in every sport
Can someone send Evan Bouchard the memo? He's been brutal all year.
Look at Igor and Lafreniere post contract 😂😂😂
Adam getting mad at Steve for talking over him is the best irony lol
Ye adam talks way too much
Bruh, Adam... Are you okay? You want to pay Marner $13M and also Tavares and Bennett $6.5M and $7M, respectively, just to have them on your 3rd line???
As Jessie stated, the Cap exists... The Leafs only have $24M in space for next year... This math ain't mathing...
the thing with adam's take on bennett AND tavares staying/signing with toronto is that ya with the cap that they have it's not a REALISTIC outcome. he's picturing a FANTASY outcome lmaoo. his take makes 0 sense. it's bennett OR tavares if youre paying marner 13M period, not both
@@carlosalvador98 They're obviously assuming Elliot Friedman is right and the cap will jump to 95 million next season (a likely scenario if the NHL wants to avoid having a massive cap jump the season after when the salary cap formula put in place for covid ends and it goes back to the normal formula). The Math works just fine, but I think Florida will easily resign Bennet
I heard from a trusted source that every FA wants to sign in Toronto
I would take Mikko at 14 and let Marner go, Miko is a goal scorer, a havier player and performs better in the playoffs.
You're n idiot ... What has he done in the last 5 years oh yeaaa get injured alll the time
I dont think Rantanen wants to leave colorado, especially for toronto...
12.5 is supposed to be a discount?
For Toronto yes it is a huge discount, not so much for another team though
@LaughingStock17 In which logic is that true... every team has the same salary cap?
I’d offer 10 for 10
@@KP-05that’s not a thing and he would never take 10 million
He could get 13.5 anywhere else, so yes 12.5 IS A DISCOUNT
I wish I could see a break down of Marner’s stats according to the opponent. Playoff teams versus bottom feeders. Also would be interesting to see his stats versus teams like Boston, St. Louis, Florida etc. Is he really that good versus strong and heavy defensive teams that take his time and space away? Playoffs would show that he’s not effective against those teams when I counts.
The fact he's a 3-PPG player vs DET makes me see your point 🤣
I think this applies to almost all players though. Most of the time in the regular season, people get their giant 3 to 4 point games against bad teams. I am sure McDavid averages way more points against like the Sharks than Vegas for example.
Issue isn't Marner. Playoffs you play the same team up to 7 times. Leafs have 2 scoring lines that are elite and a top pair defense that is elite, but the depth for both is where the issue lies. Teams prep, and plan for this, so if you only have 1/2 scoring lines, playoffs will shut you down. Look at the Florida Panthers that won last year, where they had 4 lines contributing in scoring. Leafs don't have that.
By what logic is rantanen leaving the avalanche?
Leafs Fan energy, apparently 🤣🤣🤣
The Colorado Avalanche, as constructed, does not have the depth to contend.
He will sign in Toronto and we will be in same spot again next year
Marner to the Rangers
Adam must be high if he thinks Marner stays but Mikko doesn't.
Colorado has a Gabriel Landeskog problem.
Has to be a Leafs channel lol! Nobody mentions any free agents heading to Montreal when rumors are swirling Ehlers wants to play with Laine there, his best buddy!
Where exactly would Ehlers play in Montreal's lineup? They already have three top six wingers signed for next season, plus Demidov (presumably) coming over.
What a lot of people don't understand is, the Avs can match a 7yr/14mil AAV contract with an 8yr/12.25mil AAV. He's staying.
@timkelly6463 I don't think it will be that easy. The Avs, as constructed, don't make the conference finals. The Avs will also need to extend Cale Makar by the 2026 off-season.
Sam Bennett is worth more than 7MM and Florida still has palm trees and no taxes so…
Better luck next year
Luckily he has regressed a bit from the scalding hot start he had, so I still have hopes FLA can re-sign him. The 7M x 6 or 7M x 7 is what I pictured him having, but I'm sure it's a tough spot for Benny if he gets to UFA and the offers come in starting at 8 million.
@ he’ll get the same deal Verhegee got and he’s worth it
To this point I know Benny is worth more but the chemistry in the locker room is so good I don't think he would want to leave .
I think Panthers will sign him, but he is physical player so hes career could go bad very soon. Also Lundell have been ready for bigger role for a while now.
Bennett was very important player for Panthers few last seasons, but there are some risks to re-signing him. More speed for roster wouldn't hurt and they need spend money for guality D-man.
Nikolaj Ehlers is a very good friend of Patrick Laine. So don’t be surprise to see him with the Montreal Canadien. Montréal has the space salary wise with Price, Dvorak and others off the book.
Problem is nobody wants to be in Montreal. Bottom feeds for the last 4 or 5 years. Players generally want to go someone competitive
@@dr.curious5136 Players go where the money and opportunity is.
But the latter is an issue in terms of Ehlers and the Canadiens. Next season they’ll have Caufield, Slafkovsky, Laine and Demidov slated for top six wing roles. Where would Ehlers go in the lineup?
@@dr.curious5136Montréal will be a top team in a year or 2. The leafs will be a bottom feeder in 2 years. Matthews is washed and always injured and your defense is ass.
@ You obviously don’t watch Hockey…… Montreal is a bottom feeder, we have no defence ??? Yea ok, you know the game of hockey as well as a blind person sees
@@kingmisogyny1852 listen, as a bruins fan, I would love to see the leafs lose. but you thinking that they will be a bottom feeder in 2 years is HILARIOUS. least educated hockey fan of the new year.
there is NO WAY avs let Mikko walk, especially to MIN. They extend him, or he gets traded to the east
@@mastersquid20 I could Mikko get an extension, but that would make re-signing Makar more difficult. The Landeskog situation makes re-signing Mikko more complicated.
Chris Drury definitely has his eyes on Rantanen!
Bennet Centering Knies and McMann would not be fun to play against. Dare to dream I suppose 😂
9:46 Ehlers is literally what the Jackets need right now, and he’d be coming into a place where he’s played with one of the top two centres, the other of which is thirsting for a winger like Ehlers to help him get his 3rd season breakthrough. And the Jackets also will have a boatload of money.
The only downside is his injury history. I don’t know, but I get the feeling that Don Waddell is one of the “hurt players get hurt” types who avoid players with an injury history.
Hurricanes fan, love dirty don and seen him pull out some magic signings and find the guys that fit and squeeze the most out of random guys. I expect him to be frugal and build the team up with some FA’s
Rantanen to the Wild would be insane especially if they manage to also give Kaprizov an extension and if Yurov comes over. I think I'd rather see them go with a cheaper option with Boeser. They'd then have enough to resign the Gus Bus to have a 1A/1B tandem with Wallstedt in addition to giving Rossi a new deal.
Wild are not gettin grid of Kaprizov
I think Wild would be a much better fit for Mikko than the Rangers. He's a moody guy and Rangers at least now has its fair share of artists who aren't willing to put in the work. Wild has the workers mentality Mikko needs from the players around him.
I would be surprised if Minnesota gets mikko and kaprizov I honestly didn’t think they had that much money but I don’t see how Colorado signs him either
😂😂😂😂 Mikko is re-signing in Colorado.
Minnesota needs more center depth though, so I don't think Rantanen will be the priority. Rantanen is not only a part of Colorado's big three, but he's also one of their heart and sole players. MacKinnon-Rantanen-Makar is Colorado's Crosby-Malkin-Letang and McDavid-Draisaitl-Bouchard. I find it hard to believe that Rantanen will even want to walk.
The amount of money being discussed make me appreciate
Scheifele and Hellebuyck signing 8.5x7
Or 8-9m for Chychrun? Morrissey makes 6.25m.
How much is Connor/Morrissey going to want? Will they do 8.5 maybe a internal cap?
I see Chychrun to Florida
For something criminally low as well I bet. Btw am a Panthers fan.
I've wanted him for years but I feel like he has priced himself out with this year's performance. Or if we actually stand a chance of getting him, we have to let go of both Bennett and Ekblad.
6.5 for Tavares who's a 3rd liner. That's not great. And Minnesota is projected to have 15.16 million in cap space in 2025-26 and they need to sign Rossi. Even if he gets 6 million they wont get Rantanen for 14. And Suter and Parise don't come off their books until 2027-28
Suter and Parise aren’t fully off the books, but after this season the amounts are negligible.
In which world do you live where Tavares is a third line center? If Tavares signs at 6.5M that'd be a great deal(term is always the key though). Look at Stamkos' contract, Pavelski's and Giroux. Yes Stamkos is a bad one, but you'd be dishonest to think Tavares won't be getting 6.5M on the free market easily at that.
tavares is and pretty much always is a ppg player. getting him for less than 6.5 is a dream.
realistically 6.5 is a deal for him and would probably require a lot of term.
I could see Taylor Hall on one of the California teams mentioned earlier.
We all know Leafs will resign Marner and we'll continue the insanity. Future generations will just shake their head much like we do concerning the Leafs.
Caps are going to keep Chychrun. Backstrom, Oshie, Mangiapane will all be off the books for Washington. Washington will get it done at 8x$8m with Carlson only having a couple years left on his deal. TVR might be a casualty and get squeezed out but it will be worth it.
I would get chills if Ehlers ended up in Pitt
I could see Chychrun going to Dallas and playing on the right side. They need help on the back end and he fits their player type.
As a Flyers fan we have 0 top 6 Centers on our roster, and our best C prospect is 3 years away from a top 6 tole. We are going to inflate the center market.
But remember guys: Marner’s comp is Matthews, and no one else, his agent said so
If the Leafs get JT and MM signed for 18.9m instead of the current 21.9m with the cap going up…is that such a bad thing?
Can’t trade him and can’t lose him for nothing, Mitch will have to stay whether for the right reason or the wrong
Stop this nonsense about "can't lose for nothing". Leafs have signed "other" teams UFAs for years but somehow the Leafs have to get a package back for Marner. Playoff contenders actually trade for UFAs for a Cup run, knowing they don't have the cap to resign those players.
So you guys think Marner cant make more then Matthews, But Rantanen can make more then MacKinnon, lol
Rantinin has scored 55 goals in the year he got 105pts. He also has over 100pts in 81 playoff games, which is way better than Marner or Matthew's, so ya, better player's get paid more, he's worth it.
Marner is yet to score 40 in a season let alone 55, and he's yet to reach 100pts in a season also, which Rantinin has done multiple times. Rantinin's also already won a cup, so he's got playoff winning pedigree, which Toronto players don't have.
So what would be fair is for Mitch to make about 15% less than whatever Rantinin makes, that would be fair.
Also Rantinin being 6'4' 217lbs and being able to go beast mode in the playoffs and getting the job done, which Mitch and Matthew's can't do is also more valuable than someone who can't get it done.
One thing can change that, if Mitch has a great playoff run this year and they win the cup, pay the man his 13.5m x 8yrs, if not, it's 12.5m x 8yrs.
@bradbradbury8561 you are missing the point. McKinnon is the avs best player, and these leafs fans think that avs with pay this guy 1 or 1.4 mill more a year then McKinnon. Yet when it comes to the leafs , there is no way Marner can get as much let alone more then Matthews, even Matthews will be getting another new in a couple years paying more then he makes now
@@shirleydaley5335 Didn't McKinnon sign last year, so that would be a two year increase in hockey revenue salary, between McKinnon and Rantinin, while Matthews and Marner is only one years difference in revenue salary cap. That's about a 5m difference.
The best deal for Mitch to make would be to sign for 12m x 3yrs, then he could get 14m x 8yrs on his next contract when the cap goes up. That would maximise his value, if that's what he's truely interested in, which seems to be the case.
@bradbradbury8561 No Mitch will be 28 at the end of this season. This is the year for him to get a 7 or 8 year deal. Not when his is 31.
AVS can't and won't pay Rantanen more than Nate. If he wants more than 11mil AVS should just let him walk.
Adam bring'n the Rantanen heat. 🔥
This is a hypothesis but some ufa's might be tempted to sign to teams that are in a perfect (draft/rank) situation and wait 2-3 years to get really good chances to get the cup.
I have Phily, Montreal and Columbus under my radar.
Is Toronto the only market/team/ which values players based on their regular season success... unlike almost every other teams which rates the players with more emphasis on playoff-games success?
I’m a leafs fan and I can say our media is the main perpetrator in this. The real leaf fans understand playoffs is important that is why I would rather pay 💰 Rantanen over Marner as an example
It’s going to bring a tear to my eye watching his steel touch the ice @ PPG paints Ice area in Autumn of next year. Yinz gotta come dahntahn to wasch-it. Parade route is getting off 279 at Pittsburgh! 2yrs/ 9.3million.
if rantanen hits ufa this offseason, i think the hawks will be big time suitors.
If Marner signs in Toronto he'll be overpaid regardless of the number unless he does something to help the team win the Stanley Cup this season.
Always, always bet on self interest.
People can say whatever they want but at the end of the day, people will always care about themselves above all else.
Ehlers to Montreal. 7 x 7
Him and Laine are best friends and played amazing together
With the season Marner is having, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets more than Matthews is currently making. The cap is going to be well up over when Matthews signed AND Marner will be signing for 8 years, rather than Matthews’ 5. Combine these economic and situational factors with his stickler of an agent, and I don’t doubt 14Mx8yrs.
Hahaha, Sam Bennett as the 3rd line centre on $7m/7 years on the Leafs, wake up! He is a top 6 centre on a cup winning team and a regular season juggernaught!
Taylor Hall is coming off a ACL Injury, you can tell he's a bit slower.
Can’t believe they didn’t predict where Bob Augden lands!
Chychrun stays
A lot of people don’t realize the canes will have an insane amount of cap space this off season
Watch the cap. With 40% of gross NHL income in CAD $ and all expenses in USD and the exchange rate there may be a flat cap for a while.
I’m I crazy for thinking 12.5 is still to much for Marner ?
You don't have a brain
We’re not used to new salary cap numbers. So what we think of a 5 million dollar player is probably gonna be worth 6 aka Tavares. Who at a point a game, yes you sign him at 6! Superstars and even star player are gonna get a bigger raise than that! Rantanen at 14 isn’t unheard of. Avs should welcome that! Be grateful you have Makar and MacKinnon at current contracts.
MARNER TO THE RANGERS
We don’t make the playoffs without marner…. Healthy Matthew’s or not… figure it out guys
Taylor Hall to the Habs as a reclamation project
4 more years than Matthews .. you guys overlook the difference between term.. 4 years and 8 years are completely different
Adam…,Toffoli just signed long term in San Jose…
Funny how he’s trying his best now. I wonder why 😅 he can walk if he’s asking 13.1 and he’s not worth more than Nylander 😊
Hall to Dallas I think him and Seguin would have chemistry And Marner anywhere else.
I think there’s way to much wishful thinking by leaf’s fans on John Tavares, this guy is worth a lot more then 6 million dollars, for a center, who can still give you production around 70 to 80 points, who is known for being a 200 foot player, and if I’m John, this is my final contract, this is likely the last contract he signs int he nhl, he owes Toronto nothing, and I think he could get more money on the open market, and let’s say John is not to concerned about the money and for him he wants to win a cup, respectfully, if Toronto falls out of the playoffs again in the first round, why would he come back, Mitch is in his prime, I understand him staying in Toronto, but John I don’t know
I think the Stl blues might consider Taylor hall and Brock boeser
@SteveDangle, would not be nice to see Marner and Matthews split for a playoff series?? Let’s find out who the real problem is here. Everyone rips Mitch but he played with Matthews most of these series who also laid an egg. I hope we get a decent 3C and split up the big 3 and treat this playoff like a tryout. Keep the two that can run their own lines into success. What you think Steve D??
You didn't tell us how much Brock boeser's new contract is going to be
None of you guys picked new jersey as destination is crazy I'm sure some of those guys would love to play the Hughes brothers 🤔
You would spend 20 years searching for replacement for Mikko. He will be an Av next year. 13.5, 14, 14.5, they will pay it. They cant move him before the playoffs without losing the team, they cant let him walk for nothing, and unless something absolutely explodes the two sides figure it out
If Ovechkin retires this summer and doesn't come back, Washington suddenly has an extra $9.5m to spend and a top line scoring role to fill. They're going to have to go shopping for a whale if Ovechkin isn't on the books next year.
and if ovi beats the record this year I would not be shocked if he hangs it up this year for sure.
@Dratchev241 I agree and that's why I mentioned it. Honestly, I would love to see him have a full season long farewell tour but he might not want to. He might legit score the record breaking goal and go sit on the bench and never play another shift. I wouldn't blame him one bit. He's logged a lot of miles on that body. To still be performing at the level he is at 39 is absurd. But yeah if his $9.5m is suddenly available for Washington and they have a hole in the top line, they could throw big money at a scorer this summer.
@@mikeb.2925 I suspect if he breaks it this year, he won't be done. you know he is going to go for another cup and this year likely is his last chance and he likely knows this. We can easy say next year they will be contenders but look at the rangers and how fast that fell apart, caps could have same happen next year. So he for sure is going for a cup and he knows if the record ain't broke this year he can do it next year likely very easy.
I would be very surprised if he retired after this year. He is still so good and especially now that the Capitals are legit and a contender; why hang em up? He honestly could just camp in his one timer spot on the power play until he is 45 and still score 30 a year.
@crushdavis7048 he's got a young family and he's not a young man. What's left to accomplish? He might just be tired and ready to enjoy the rest of his life that isn't on the ice. Could he still score some goals? Sure. But maybe he just simply doesn't want to be Jagr.
11:17 with the Simpsons Reference... AMAZING.
I was a fan back in the sixties and no one trashed talked players the way you v-bloggers do and these Leafs are in a different league to players back then.
So every player except for the leafs players wont be resigning?
Toffoli has 3 years left on his deal he’s not a pending UFA
If the Leafs can sign Marner to a contract of 13.1 per year for 8 years they would be stupid not to. Marner will be giving them a home town discount.
Tavares will get 5 for 8. With the expectation he will be on Robidas Island for the last 4 years.
Contracts should be based on how you perform against good teams. Why pay players 12M for hat tricks against non playoff teams.
Beating non-playoff teams is important for making the playoffs (and selling tickets).
Gonna go out on a limb and say Hall signs with Ottawa $3M / 2Yrs
Signing Marner back isn't so bad, even though it will mean we will never win a Cup, at least we have him.
Marner is not a playoff player.
This year yes.
He thrives with time and space and not when the rules change in the playoffs.
Correction , Marner is not now nor never going to be a playoff player.
Who is a playoff performer on this team?? Who can you say other than maybe Knies, elevates their game for playoffs? I think I’d keep Marner out of the 3. Trade Nylander first and Matthews if Nylander doesn’t work out
Who is a playoff performer on this team?? Who can you say other than maybe Knies, elevates their game for playoffs? I think I’d keep Marner out of the 3. Trade Nylander first and Matthews if Nylander doesn’t work out
Brock to the Wild 100%
oilers don't want Hall back lol
Soooo... All Leafs re-sign... everyone else goes to Minnesota and NYR. Got it.
Diff is 750,000 from Matthews until when
This is the last year. If no playoff success
Have to trade
Marner will sign with Toronto for a “hometown discount” of 13 mil per year lol. Let me ask you leaf fans, would you have Marner at 13 mil? Or take a Suzuki or Caufield for 7.8?
If Mitch scores at will in the playoffs, and they go on a deep run, then yeah give him money. If he doesn’t, immediately walk away
Avs getting a bunch of Finns to entice Mikko lol. He wants 14M x 7. That's $98M. If Avs do 12.5M x 8 = $100M does he sign?
ADAM WITH HUGE HOG ENERGY ON THAT RANTANEN PREDICTION AND I LOVE IT
Tavares at 6.5 is ridiculous
6 times 3 and he can be traded anywhere.
@JohnSturman no he cant , he would have no trade clause , no way he waives it ,
@Dx-so7jm Not on the new contract. Enough of the core 4 holding our salary cap hostage.
Rangers will go all in on Rantanen...Marner isn't Drury's style
He wasn't traded when the window was open, They're going to resign him. He walks and Toronto gets nothing for Him is terrible
That is a sh!t ton of money for 3 players.
Ekblad 8.25 x 6
Taylor Hall to Montreal 1 year 4 mil
Im okay with mitch signing again in toronto. But for the love of chuck norris, just dont sign him with a no movement/no trade clause again. Being possibly stuck with someone who never shows up when it counts for 8 years is a nightmare. And I want tavares to stay in toronto, hes such a good leaf....but he needs to take a big hometown deal so we can get some top 9 centers in the mix.
How are we gonna get top 9 centers if we sign Marner to a bag. We should go after Rantanen if the Avs don’t sign him
Bennet to the leafs would be awesome. The leafs would steamroll boston every year if that happened.
Leafs are not a playoff team, not just mitch
IF chychrun leaves Washington, which he won’t, it will be Florida.
If you lock up both Marner and Matthews long term kiss your hopes of a cup goodbye. Way too soft of a duo to lead a team through.
This team is going to be scary old in a few seasons...
Marner to Colorado Rantanen to Toronto.
We have enough bottom 6 guys. We don't need anymore
Hope the leafs contracts are correct, keep being mediocre in the playoffs from the foreseeable future 🙏
I think Mikko knows his success is based largely on playing with Mac and Makar. He's crazy if he leaves.
He has led the league in points when MacKinnon was injured and makar wasn't around. He is a playoff beast and data shows that he performs well even without McKinnon and Makar.
Rantanen is a genius on the ice and its not like he will go to a team and play with bums... Fox and Panarin and I reckon he'd still eat good lol... same with Boldy and Kaprizov
5:00 they finally stop glazing Marner and move on to yet.. another leaf.
mikko will resign for the rest of his career with us , and his deal will have one or 2 years at lower cost to make sure makar gets signed aswell for another 8 years ,avs are not letting him walk and why would he , why go sign for a little more to have no chemistry ... right stamkos lmao
Marner renew 14x8
Guys, not everyone is going to the Rangers or Wild 😂
Rangers are clearing house
They ain’t going to Columbus
@@KaleFGB 1. Did I say they were? 2. That’s what everyone said about Johnny too lol. The Jackets have a ton of cap space. They aren’t gonna do nothing with it
@@dylanwynkoop4578 jesus so emotional
@@KaleFGBThe Jackets literally have over 40 mil in cap space that they have to use to hit the cap floor. If Rantanen hits the market, which I don’t think he even hits the market, however he has a Cup and could just chase the money. He could get 15 mil from Columbus.
If you think Mitch Marner is worth Jack Hughes + any above average 3rd line/2nd pair player Ive got NFTs for sale. Absolute clownshoes.