nice. I just got a 2003 Epiphone les paul custom with a nice hairline crack that goes from bottom of the joint up and along the fretboard/top joint. With the pickup removed I can clearly see 16th inch or so gaps on both sides of neck tenon and excess glue at the bottom.The gaps are large enough to fit a steamer needle inside, so I may get lucky and not need to go through the top. Of course I could just worry about it in the future should it ever be a problem, right now it plays great, so "if it aint broke, don't fix it" may apply at this time. Thanks for the vid.
1st class job I have to say. I recently bought an old Greco les paul.the neck neads some attention where it meets the body. Any idea if there similar neck pockets? Cheers
This is a great video. it shows that gibson doesn't properly set necks. See at 4:08 when the neck is out of the body how the neck tenon has never had any glue attaching it to the body? The word natural and number 17 still clearly visible. And also at 1:37 when it shows the examples of the different neck joints you can see that both the long tenon and intermediate tenon have very little contact with the body. Gibson leaves a gap between the back of the neck and the body because it speeds up the process of setting the neck, even though it ruins the guitar. The main reason why modern gibsons don't sound like the vintage ones is the shitty construction when setting the neck. The neck heel extends over the body to cover up the gap between the neck and the body, but that wasn't always how gibson did it. Gibson didn't make their neck like this in the 50's. The neck joint was visible so it had to have full contact with the body. Nowadays they hide that neck joint so they can leave a gap, and they don't just do this on rocker joints, they do it on everything. Greco calls their long neck tenons "large area contact" tenons because it's not the length of the tenon that makes a long tenon better, it's the contact with the body that the tenon has. If there's no contact then it doesn't matter what size the tenon is. Only a rare gibson guitar has a properly set neck. If you were a tech at Gibson trying to set each neck perfectly, you'd probably get fired for being too slow. Greco and tokai's sets their neck like 50's les pauls. There's no neck heel to cover a gap so they have to have 100% contact between the neck and the body, which is why Greco's have so much more tone and sustain than Gibsons. with Gibson if you pay for a long tenon, you're just getting screwed. This is a major reason why people buy gibson historics and then pay another 4 grand to do a makeover on them. Gibson needs to get rid of the neck heel that covers gaps and require their luthiers to fit the neck properly like they did in the 50's. As long as the neck heel is like then then gibsons standard is to set the neck wrong.
This was really interesting to see. I wanted to ask from a sonic perspective is there any advantage to the Long tenon? Last week i bought a 2022 60's standard and the guitar is actually quite well made but has the more modern neck joint. I watched how Gibson is setting these necks now and really does not make sense to me? The end of the tenon is not squared it is a trapezoid shape and does not fit into the mortis like a puzzle piece? I am not a builder or even a wood worker but it did not look right to me?
My les paul have wrong shin on neck joint after the 16 fret, wich make a bump around 10 til 15 fret, its possible make a reset, if I use 10's or 11 string gauge I need to force the truss rod a lot to minimise this bump.
Great video, to the point and super helpful.
Nice job. Like your professionalism on how the repair is done.
Better than new! That short tenon neck is puzzling...
I'm glad the algorithm showed me your channel, subbed!
nice. I just got a 2003 Epiphone les paul custom with a nice hairline crack that goes from bottom of the joint up and along the fretboard/top joint. With the pickup removed I can clearly see 16th inch or so gaps on both sides of neck tenon and excess glue at the bottom.The gaps are large enough to fit a steamer needle inside, so I may get lucky and not need to go through the top. Of course I could just worry about it in the future should it ever be a problem, right now it plays great, so "if it aint broke, don't fix it" may apply at this time. Thanks for the vid.
This was nice. Thank You 🙏
Great show as always!
Nice. I need to do the same repair on an 83 Gibson Flying V
Same here 😅
great job i enjoyed watching.
1st class job I have to say. I recently bought an old Greco les paul.the neck neads some attention where it meets the body. Any idea if there similar neck pockets? Cheers
This is a great video. it shows that gibson doesn't properly set necks. See at 4:08 when the neck is out of the body how the neck tenon has never had any glue attaching it to the body? The word natural and number 17 still clearly visible. And also at 1:37 when it shows the examples of the different neck joints you can see that both the long tenon and intermediate tenon have very little contact with the body. Gibson leaves a gap between the back of the neck and the body because it speeds up the process of setting the neck, even though it ruins the guitar. The main reason why modern gibsons don't sound like the vintage ones is the shitty construction when setting the neck.
The neck heel extends over the body to cover up the gap between the neck and the body, but that wasn't always how gibson did it. Gibson didn't make their neck like this in the 50's. The neck joint was visible so it had to have full contact with the body. Nowadays they hide that neck joint so they can leave a gap, and they don't just do this on rocker joints, they do it on everything. Greco calls their long neck tenons "large area contact" tenons because it's not the length of the tenon that makes a long tenon better, it's the contact with the body that the tenon has. If there's no contact then it doesn't matter what size the tenon is. Only a rare gibson guitar has a properly set neck. If you were a tech at Gibson trying to set each neck perfectly, you'd probably get fired for being too slow.
Greco and tokai's sets their neck like 50's les pauls. There's no neck heel to cover a gap so they have to have 100% contact between the neck and the body, which is why Greco's have so much more tone and sustain than Gibsons. with Gibson if you pay for a long tenon, you're just getting screwed. This is a major reason why people buy gibson historics and then pay another 4 grand to do a makeover on them.
Gibson needs to get rid of the neck heel that covers gaps and require their luthiers to fit the neck properly like they did in the 50's. As long as the neck heel is like then then gibsons standard is to set the neck wrong.
I noticed that you filled the drill holes in the neck where you applied the heater and water. I was curious about that.
This was really interesting to see. I wanted to ask from a sonic perspective is there any advantage to the Long tenon?
Last week i bought a 2022 60's standard and the guitar is actually quite well made
but has the more modern neck joint. I watched how Gibson is setting these necks now
and really does not make sense to me? The end of the tenon is not squared it is a trapezoid
shape and does not fit into the mortis like a puzzle piece? I am not a builder or even a wood worker
but it did not look right to me?
My les paul have wrong shin on neck joint after the 16 fret, wich make a bump around 10 til 15 fret, its possible make a reset, if I use 10's or 11 string gauge I need to force the truss rod a lot to minimise this bump.
Why not take the opportunity to refret if you have the ne k off and removed some frets?
It was a store owned guitar.
Would have been nice to see the fitment, shaping and sanding of the neck and those shims should have fit more tightly.
...and how many necks have you fitted in your life??
@@th-pl3nx A few, considering I'm a guitar builder by trade.
@@theshyguitarist "those shims should have fit more tightly" Where do you see that?
Yes but the end of the fingerboard it looks a bit bent
And where are you seeing that.