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Happy for you Juice! Her fighting with the bike is SO goofy, I can’t! Seems fun but I just can’t do it man and I wanted to fight with her as the “sun goddess” I had been hoping for. Also sad that Granny really had no divination or impressive magic aspect and they went the full cutesy route. Seems like gimmicks are in. Oh well, Natlan has been a complete skip for me. Glad I can save (and cry when they kill off the Captain, the only saving grace to me in this entire arc). So glad your pulls went so well and you’re having fun! Hope this is just the start of an amazing year for you!
To be honest, you must have lost every 50/50 while in Natlan. That capturing radiance means that you were supposed to lose that one too but the system caught it and say, okay enough of this.
I got C0R1 Mavuika in 20 pulls. Because of that, I ended up with C1R1 Mavuika and C0R1 Citlali instead of the expected C0R1 Mavuika. Good pull session, I'd say.
bro me too except i didnt get citlalis signature.. i have some wishes left but im saving them for arlecchino next phase. I really want her even though i just got mav 😭
Did a 10 pull and got my fav Dehya c2😂 good that I was prepared for this. Im surprised how good Mavuika is. Despite being a greatsword wielder she is actually very fast with her attacks. The wait was worth it
I stayed up late for Citlali and hopefully got her after I updates and stuff with nearly 30 pulls Good luck on everyone pulling in this version I hope everyone gets their desired characters!!
I got Mavuika in 85 Pulls. Thank god i won the 50/50 since now i can save for Arlecchino's Weapon (I usually dont care for Sig Weapons, but the Drip is just to strong)
omg same! i was at 70 pulls and im like surely itll come in the next 10. she didn't. but then i lucky the shop reset was there and i did get her on the 5th pull. then i lost to citlali's weapon at 20 pulls (good loss) and got the weapon after 60 pulls. all in all i got 3 5 stars in 180 pulls. now saving up for citlali lol
I also got Mavuika from Capturing Radiance! It was such a good feeling, my lucks been pretty bad in Natlan too. Then, somehow, i pulled Citlali in under 20 pulls later, it feels like all my lucks been saving up for this haha
Thank you Juice for your luck- got Citlali in single 10 pull (got 30 build up pity) and Mavuika at regular 70-80. Won 2 50/50 in a row that's a rare sight :D It was a good idea to play your video while pulling xd
My ritual for pulling a 5 star is, firstly if there's a new archon quest involving them, finish it first. Then, hand out at where the quest ended and do my pulls there. If it's a rerun character, I go somewhere relevant to the character and do my pulls there.
this is the first time i lose the 50/50 on an archon banner 😢 got jean at high pity and went to hard pity to get her, i lost her weapon to citlali’s (high pity) but then in the next ten pull i got mavuika’s, i had enough for another 5 star and decided to try for citlali and i won the 50/50, im so happy…. congratulations juice, and happy new year
Ever since Natlan started I've been really lucky. All 4 characters I've pulled for I've won the 50/50 and I even got Citlali early! Something feels off. Being this lucky feels wrong.
I got citlali in 80 wishes on 50/50 and then went to weapon lost to jade spear on 30 then got citlali weapon 20 pulls after losing I wish you guys even better luck on ur pulls!!
I got Mavuika, Citlali, a standard 5 star weapon and Mavuika's sig weapon. I did spend about $50 to get there togetther with my 70 pulls and 20 pity, but it was such lucky pulls. I won both 50/50 o the character banners, lost to a standard 5* weapon on the first 10 pull, then got the sig weapon on the next 10 pull. It's a good day.
c2r1 Mav, c0r1 Citlali, an extra copy of Mav's claymore, and my first ever Diluc in 350 pulls. More than happy, I didn't even have to use the pulls I preemptively swiped for haha
I haven't wished since Mualani's banner (aside from some standard pulls). It took four ten pulls, but I got Citlali! I had been waiting for her for so long! Now, to wait for Clorinde.
I got Mauvi, Citlali and Keqing and 160 pulls. I will drop another 180 euros on 124 pulls which by the end of the banner guarantee me Mauvis signature.
Happy New Year Juice! I was one of those people who thought Mavuika's motorcycle combat was ridiculous and too goofy to take seriously, but then I did her trial and she's actually like so much fun! Riding around the stage in the motorcycle for extended periods of time was incredible, and the sound design really sells the experience too. I think I might be a Mavuika believer now.
That's exactly why they stack the trial with so much phlogiston everywhere. It's dishonest, they shouldn't do it. A "trial" where the character is designed to perform better there than it does in actual play is truly scummy.
I lost two 50/50 since natlan dropped, one pulling for Mualani and the other for Xilonen, I got capturing radiance on Mavuika at 75 pity and then won my 50/50 on 15 pity for Citlali
I got mavuika on 74 pity. But then i got citlali and mavuika weapon on my first 10 pull each. How crazy is that? This has to be my first luckiest pulls ever. 😂😂😂 I am sooooo happy.... Oh! I am f2p as well
I got Citlali c2r1 but my luck was awful. Lost two 50/50s and the third one happened to be the special wish lol. Also, the earliest pity I got was 30. The other 4 were all between 77 and 82 pity. The weapon was fairly lucky at least, I got it at 63 pity and actually won the 50/50 or whatever it is for weapons. I was saving for almost an entire year because nobody else interested me and all of those wishes just disappeared so quickly >.
I've won 6 50/50s in a row starting from Mualani all the way to Neuvillettes last banner. I am very greatful for that but sadly I lost my 50/50 on Mavuika at 36 pity and I don't think I can do much to get enough wishes to guarantee her or Citlali. I trust the Gacha gods did the right thing by not letting me get her for now☝
My wished went so well 😭 i got citlali mavuika and their weapons. I had garantee mav and lost 50/50 on citlali BUT in that same 10 pull got her. And the weapons i just got them both at 70 pity without losing onces😭
I was lucky to get Mavuika too. I built pity on Zhongli's banner because I didn't mind having him. So I was near pity and I pulled on Mavuika but I lost to Tighnari so I sighed and did the next pull and got Mavuika so she was lucky for me hehe. I still need to try and get Citlali tho
Got Citlali with capturing radiance... or what is that called again? When you lose but then you win :D also went for her weapon and of course, I got Mavuikas claymore. At this point I think its the best to set the course to the weapon you dont actually want. Anyway, I hope I get enough pulls to still get the weapon I want. 30 pity or something at the moment.
I got her at capture radiance too within 20 pulls and I got her weapon in 22 pulls and I usually don't get lucky on the weapon banner so I can't complain 😂😂😂
Got Mavuika C0R1 both hard pity, I pulled her as an off field character just to find out that the cinder city set doesn’t work with burning… such a shame, so Mavuika must do with Mona Xilonen and Mualani, not bad since Mualani was benched anyhoo. Mavuika will get her reruns so from now my primos get benched for Wriothesley ❤️ I was not a fun of the motorbike, however the sound effects are really good.
Man I am so salty. I am hate watching this type of videos LOL. - had 180 pulls and 60 pity - 1 lost 50/50 (for capturing radiance) - used 20 pulls and lost another 50/50 - used 80 pulls to get Citlali - used another 80 pulls and lost another 50/50 (capturing radiance had a 50% chance to trigger so technically a 75/25) - did the latest theater, used starglitter, monthly fates, etc. and still no mavuika (currently at 40 pity)
With abt 100 pulls, though i might get both cilali and mavuika but ending up losing my 50/50 and getting mona again (but at least the real pyro archon benny is finally c5… ) (and it was 3 am at where i am and i almost shouted )
Win both 50-50s for Mavuika and Citlani......awesome. I got very lucky but it took nearly 160 pulls. :| Well...whatever I get the rest of the patch I may save for Arlecchino.
I was gonna save up my primogems for Mavuika back a few weeks. After some much careful consideration i decided it'd be a worthwhile risk to spend it all on the Zhongli banner, as i'd gotten Neuvilette VERY luckily and had guaranteed pity after getting Jean whilst trying for Zho. With this in mind, i'm skipping Mavuika, as much as it hurts, to go for Arlecchino, simply due to the fact that i have NONE of the characters that Mavuika needs to perform well, and rolling for Citlali + her weapon would be absolutely impossible. Hates to see that she's so dependant on other Natlan units. (Not entirely, am aware, but still, you're not getting all of her potential out of her without them.)
I also got capturing radiance on mavuika banner and then had primos left so I pulled on citlali banner and lost to jean kinda same fate ig. But I got jean in 10 pull so thats a free guaranteed and just like u I aint even mad about that, Im just happy to get mavuika on capturing radiance. A 10 pull 5 star is just the cherry on top even if that 5 star is jean
![How hard is it to get Mavuika & Citlali? [and weapons]](/img/1.gif)
i'm genuinely not sure what to say, i've had such bad luck within natlan that mavuika feels like a blazing blessing... truly, happy new years everyone :D
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Happy New Years!
I think if you lost 50/50 2-3 times in a row capturing radiance triggers
Good luck on getting their signature! Got mine within 20 pulls! Both in around 50 pulls!
Happy for you Juice! Her fighting with the bike is SO goofy, I can’t! Seems fun but I just can’t do it man and I wanted to fight with her as the “sun goddess” I had been hoping for. Also sad that Granny really had no divination or impressive magic aspect and they went the full cutesy route. Seems like gimmicks are in. Oh well, Natlan has been a complete skip for me. Glad I can save (and cry when they kill off the Captain, the only saving grace to me in this entire arc). So glad your pulls went so well and you’re having fun!
Hope this is just the start of an amazing year for you!
Oh and gosh you’re going to have to share the backstory behind all your Team Names xD
Lost my 50/50 to Mona at 82 pity while pulling for mavuika. Wow that's simply a great start to my year
Mee too bro 😢
@vivek5594 i hope you still get her bro best of luck 😭🙏
Lost her to Dehya😢
I lost her to keqing AAHAA👹
Me too at around the same amount of pity 😂all that prefarming for nothing,if i dont farm up enough primos i'll prob just go fot arl
To be honest, you must have lost every 50/50 while in Natlan. That capturing radiance means that you were supposed to lose that one too but the system caught it and say, okay enough of this.
You could say she was pitied
Yeah technically capturing radiance means basically youre really unlucky 😭
So I didn’t get lucky, it was just the game showing me some pitty
Happy new year! Good job❤
7:10
Literally got "Capturing Radiance" for the "God OF Flames".
That's Just Poetic..
I got C0R1 Mavuika in 20 pulls. Because of that, I ended up with C1R1 Mavuika and C0R1 Citlali instead of the expected C0R1 Mavuika. Good pull session, I'd say.
Same
bro me too except i didnt get citlalis signature.. i have some wishes left but im saving them for arlecchino next phase. I really want her even though i just got mav 😭
After reading this comment i got a mavuika with 6 pity and won the fifty fifty
Did a 10 pull and got my fav Dehya c2😂 good that I was prepared for this. Im surprised how good Mavuika is. Despite being a greatsword wielder she is actually very fast with her attacks. The wait was worth it
I got C2 Mavuika, her signature, Citlali in 126 pulls.. Still can't believe it..
I stayed up late for Citlali and hopefully got her after I updates and stuff with nearly 30 pulls
Good luck on everyone pulling in this version I hope everyone gets their desired characters!!
I got Mavuika in 85 Pulls. Thank god i won the 50/50 since now i can save for Arlecchino's Weapon (I usually dont care for Sig Weapons, but the Drip is just to strong)
omg same! i was at 70 pulls and im like surely itll come in the next 10. she didn't. but then i lucky the shop reset was there and i did get her on the 5th pull. then i lost to citlali's weapon at 20 pulls (good loss) and got the weapon after 60 pulls. all in all i got 3 5 stars in 180 pulls. now saving up for citlali lol
I have to say using that specific persona music as background makes the video so much more entertaining especially considering mauvika
i was watching your video while I pulled and won both my 50/50's and got both Mavuika and Citlali. Thank you for the good luck! Love your vids :3
Lost to qiqi at 74 pity but got mavuika at 21. New Years miracles sure do exist. Good luck to everyone pulling.
7:11 this special wish happens when you lost 2 50/50 in a row...then your 3rd 50/50 with be guaranteed
No, the 3rd "50/50" turns into a 75/25, and if you lose AGAIN, your 4th "50/50" turns into a guaranteed.
Pulled for Mauvika from the top of Ochkanatlan to be closer to RNGesus.
I also got Mavuika from Capturing Radiance! It was such a good feeling, my lucks been pretty bad in Natlan too. Then, somehow, i pulled Citlali in under 20 pulls later, it feels like all my lucks been saving up for this haha
I've pulled a Qiqi...
Lost 50/50...
🎶☠️
In same boat brother.. Qiqi @ 39 ... Another 55 wish still no luck 🤞
Happy new year juice !
Back to back 50/50 damnnn i actually danced in happiness 2025 will be the best year 😭 I'm officially retiring from hu tao to mavuika
Thank you Juice for your luck- got Citlali in single 10 pull (got 30 build up pity) and Mavuika at regular 70-80. Won 2 50/50 in a row that's a rare sight :D It was a good idea to play your video while pulling xd
just got her and citlali in 63 pulls im still so speechless
Got shocked by Dehya at 63, but then she came only 2 pulls later.^^
DREAMS COME TRUE(At least for Mavuika)! Congrats and Happy New Years Juice!!🎉
My ritual for pulling a 5 star is, firstly if there's a new archon quest involving them, finish it first. Then, hand out at where the quest ended and do my pulls there. If it's a rerun character, I go somewhere relevant to the character and do my pulls there.
Congratulations on your pulls Juice, you deserve it !!🥳🥳
Nice! Glad you got a bit lucky! I kinda did, wound up with Mavuika and her weapon without spending anything, so it's all good.
Citlali came on single pity probably because I was drinking booze (illegally 😏)
Sheesh congrats! New year new pulls, happy new year🎉🍷
We need more joy in the outcome of these beautiful pulls
this is the first time i lose the 50/50 on an archon banner 😢 got jean at high pity and went to hard pity to get her, i lost her weapon to citlali’s (high pity) but then in the next ten pull i got mavuika’s, i had enough for another 5 star and decided to try for citlali and i won the 50/50, im so happy…. congratulations juice, and happy new year
I had 150 pulls but luckily I got Mauvika, C1 Citlali and both characters signature weapons too 🥳🥳
I got Mavuika... was super lucky... I hope I can get citlali at some point too! I wish everyone much luck with pulling!
Took me 180 just for a single mauvila :(
I'm here to ease myself from my pulling experience. Got Mav, but citatli's weapon T^T
I got c2r1 mavuika and citlali in 130 pull now i have 10 wishes left to do something with
Ever since Natlan started I've been really lucky. All 4 characters I've pulled for I've won the 50/50 and I even got Citlali early! Something feels off. Being this lucky feels wrong.
I got citlali in 80 wishes on 50/50 and then went to weapon lost to jade spear on 30 then got citlali weapon 20 pulls after losing I wish you guys even better luck on ur pulls!!
I got Mavuika, Citlali, a standard 5 star weapon and Mavuika's sig weapon. I did spend about $50 to get there togetther with my 70 pulls and 20 pity, but it was such lucky pulls. I won both 50/50 o the character banners, lost to a standard 5* weapon on the first 10 pull, then got the sig weapon on the next 10 pull. It's a good day.
c2r1 Mav, c0r1 Citlali, an extra copy of Mav's claymore, and my first ever Diluc in 350 pulls.
More than happy, I didn't even have to use the pulls I preemptively swiped for haha
I had 190 wishes saved up for Ganyu cons I ended up with c2 r1 mavuika ,it was my first time ever being this lucky!🎉
I haven't wished since Mualani's banner (aside from some standard pulls). It took four ten pulls, but I got Citlali! I had been waiting for her for so long!
Now, to wait for Clorinde.
😉Didn't lose my 50/50 THANK GOD was my reaction😅 The Pyro Archon Mavuika is mine HAPPY NEW YEAR to me got lucky for 2025🎉
I started 2025 off right! I got both Mavuika and Citlali! And a bunch of constellations for some 4 stars.
Mauvika definitely chose me! Got her in 22 pulls after saving that small bit from C1 Neuvi.. My account is through the ROOF now!
I got Mav via the special wish too (~60)! Grats on your good luck with both!
Yess i got the same in 60 pulls ❤ happy new year girl
I got Mauvi, Citlali and Keqing and 160 pulls. I will drop another 180 euros on 124 pulls which by the end of the banner guarantee me Mauvis signature.
Happy New Year Juice! I was one of those people who thought Mavuika's motorcycle combat was ridiculous and too goofy to take seriously, but then I did her trial and she's actually like so much fun! Riding around the stage in the motorcycle for extended periods of time was incredible, and the sound design really sells the experience too. I think I might be a Mavuika believer now.
I never hated Mavuika's motorcycle it was one of those things where I was like "You gotta admit this is cool!"
That's exactly why they stack the trial with so much phlogiston everywhere. It's dishonest, they shouldn't do it. A "trial" where the character is designed to perform better there than it does in actual play is truly scummy.
I pulled Mavuika with a single 10 pull, tried pulling Citlali after and I got her. This year is my year, I can feel it.
4 pitty tignari
Time to grind
I lost two 50/50 since natlan dropped, one pulling for Mualani and the other for Xilonen, I got capturing radiance on Mavuika at 75 pity and then won my 50/50 on 15 pity for Citlali
Happy new year juice ❤😊
Won 3 50/50's in a row, I feel high af.
why is my mavuika Cryo? I think the game glitched...
She is lil cryo mavuika
I had more then 200 wishes saved, got both characters and the signatures
I'm here experiencing this with you in real time!
Are you planning on making a video on the new chasca teams?
mavuika guide plsss!!! waiting patiently for juice to upload ..i only smh trust u lol :>
its actually uploading right now! just waiting for it to finish rendering :D
I got mavuika on 74 pity. But then i got citlali and mavuika weapon on my first 10 pull each. How crazy is that? This has to be my first luckiest pulls ever. 😂😂😂
I am sooooo happy....
Oh! I am f2p as well
I got C0R1 Mavuika and Citlali in about 220 pulls. Thank god for that early Citlali R1. I lost to Mona on Citlali too lol.
Start of the year,saved up 20 pulls at 30 pity (most I ever saved without spending) got double mavuikas at 50 pity
I got Citlali c2r1 but my luck was awful. Lost two 50/50s and the third one happened to be the special wish lol. Also, the earliest pity I got was 30. The other 4 were all between 77 and 82 pity. The weapon was fairly lucky at least, I got it at 63 pity and actually won the 50/50 or whatever it is for weapons. I was saving for almost an entire year because nobody else interested me and all of those wishes just disappeared so quickly >.
CONGRATS!!!!!
Please bless me too 😭
Citlali is actually insanely good for the pyros
I kinda feel I had the opposite experience to you, I had terrible luck on every nation until Natlan but my Natlan pulls have been amazing.
I've won 6 50/50s in a row starting from Mualani all the way to Neuvillettes last banner. I am very greatful for that but sadly I lost my 50/50 on Mavuika at 36 pity and I don't think I can do much to get enough wishes to guarantee her or Citlali. I trust the Gacha gods did the right thing by not letting me get her for now☝
Got Mavuika at 38 and Citlali at 74 then I got a onset pyro goblet from transmitter with 44 CV😫 I guess the blessing of the Pyro Archon is legit
I did 20 pulls and somehow got c2 Mavuika and a dehya,I was losing my mind
I still can't believe that i managed to get mavuika c1 and citlali 😅
My wished went so well 😭 i got citlali mavuika and their weapons.
I had garantee mav and lost 50/50 on citlali BUT in that same 10 pull got her. And the weapons i just got them both at 70 pity without losing onces😭
Got Mauvika in 10 pulls now waiting for Citlali 🤩🤩
I got Mavuika C0R1, Mona, Citlali all withing 140 pulls!! I've never been this lucky before
Got Citlali and trolled by Mavuika and Keqing showed up.
I was lucky to get Mavuika too. I built pity on Zhongli's banner because I didn't mind having him. So I was near pity and I pulled on Mavuika but I lost to Tighnari so I sighed and did the next pull and got Mavuika so she was lucky for me hehe. I still need to try and get Citlali tho
Got Citlali with capturing radiance... or what is that called again? When you lose but then you win :D also went for her weapon and of course, I got Mavuikas claymore. At this point I think its the best to set the course to the weapon you dont actually want. Anyway, I hope I get enough pulls to still get the weapon I want. 30 pity or something at the moment.
Got my first five star (besides the free event one), Mavuika! :))
Good pulls Juice! I got Tighnari at 20 pity then got Mavuika at 77 and Citlali 74! I got lucky this time😭😭😭
I got her at capture radiance too within 20 pulls and I got her weapon in 22 pulls and I usually don't get lucky on the weapon banner so I can't complain 😂😂😂
Happy new year juice. I kinda wanted to get C6 kachina in this banner
I had 250 wishes and got both of them happy day of my year Plus both their weapons
Happy New Year too!
Got Mavuika C0R1 both hard pity, I pulled her as an off field character just to find out that the cinder city set doesn’t work with burning… such a shame, so Mavuika must do with Mona Xilonen and Mualani, not bad since Mualani was benched anyhoo. Mavuika will get her reruns so from now my primos get benched for Wriothesley ❤️
I was not a fun of the motorbike, however the sound effects are really good.
Girl I got the same luck! I hope I get Citlali. I only had enough for 20 pulls.
Man I am so salty. I am hate watching this type of videos LOL.
- had 180 pulls and 60 pity
- 1 lost 50/50 (for capturing radiance)
- used 20 pulls and lost another 50/50
- used 80 pulls to get Citlali
- used another 80 pulls and lost another 50/50 (capturing radiance had a 50% chance to trigger so technically a 75/25)
- did the latest theater, used starglitter, monthly fates, etc. and still no mavuika (currently at 40 pity)
same, it always hurts me internally to watch vids like these when last banner i took like 150 pulls for a single neuvi copy
I need to see a video where you build plunge mavuika with xianyun, I need pogo bike lol
Starting the new year and got mavuika at 65 pity with only 30 pull
With abt 100 pulls, though i might get both cilali and mavuika but ending up losing my 50/50 and getting mona again (but at least the real pyro archon benny is finally c5… ) (and it was 3 am at where i am and i almost shouted )
Got C2R1 Mavuika in 240 pulls, im still shaking lol
Won mavuika and citlali + mavuika's weapon in 150 pulls
Win both 50-50s for Mavuika and Citlani......awesome. I got very lucky but it took nearly 160 pulls. :|
Well...whatever I get the rest of the patch I may save for Arlecchino.
Congrats bestieee
I was gonna save up my primogems for Mavuika back a few weeks. After some much careful consideration i decided it'd be a worthwhile risk to spend it all on the Zhongli banner, as i'd gotten Neuvilette VERY luckily and had guaranteed pity after getting Jean whilst trying for Zho. With this in mind, i'm skipping Mavuika, as much as it hurts, to go for Arlecchino, simply due to the fact that i have NONE of the characters that Mavuika needs to perform well, and rolling for Citlali + her weapon would be absolutely impossible. Hates to see that she's so dependant on other Natlan units. (Not entirely, am aware, but still, you're not getting all of her potential out of her without them.)
i finally got mavuika yayyyy ( was at 65 pity 12 wishes and got her )
Got my Citlali since I was guaranteed after losing to Keqing.
Won my 50-50s twice, got Citlali and Mavuika at 70 and 60 pity respectively. The only weapon I have for Mavuika is the Natlan craftable 😢
I GOT MAVUIKA!!🎉🔥🔥
I also got capturing radiance on mavuika banner and then had primos left so I pulled on citlali banner and lost to jean kinda same fate ig. But I got jean in 10 pull so thats a free guaranteed and just like u I aint even mad about that, Im just happy to get mavuika on capturing radiance. A 10 pull 5 star is just the cherry on top even if that 5 star is jean
Happy new years y'all ❤
while pulling for citlali i got furry tighnari. I mean i was at 20 pity but then the good thing is i got mavuika at like 80 pity
I lost on wepon banner and fate point on Neuvi wepon didn’t got forward to mavuika wepon , I think I’m gonna lose twice